You tough love triangles were horrible, until you watch '' the host'' and realise that Love SQUARES are coming to get you. No one is safe and everybody is undecided, about who to go out with.
sorry but when you are in war, that's exactly how you're going to see your enemy. in the moment, they're nothing more than just targets and either you fight for your life and your brothers, or you get killed.
There's only one thing which bugs me about this video. As a veteran myself, I have met EVERY SINGLE ONE of those "tropes" in real life. Incompetent officers in particular were a painfully common experience =_=
these tropes obviously exist in real life, and they can exist in fiction; but when the characters all have absolutely no personality beyond the trope, it is considered poor storytelling.
When Hiromu Arakawa wrote the Ishbalan war arc of Fullmetal Alchemist, a fantasy war in a fantasy setting, she not only read many books on various real-life wars, but she sat down and interviewed surviving veterans of WW2. The story that she claims stuck with her the hardest was the one old man who only sadly said, "I still can't watch war movies."
You forgot a couple of characters/archetypes in your squadron: - The guy from Brooklyn with the thick Italian or Puerto Rican accent (the latter if you want a token Latino); - The guy from Texas who wears his 10 gallon hat under his helmet; - The overweight "slow" one who ultimately takes one for the team by falling on a grenade, or jumps in front of the hero to take a bullet; - The Midwestern kid who had never left his farm before the war, and never swears (e.g. "golly gee willickers.") - The guy who always quotes from, and carries The Bible.
This trope is actually based in reality in regards to WWI, in many armies you still needed to have finished high school at the very least to become officers and in most places they were relatively few because only relatively well off people could go beyond elementary school (and in extreme cases most of the soldiers were illiterate, Italy was in this situation at the time) with the result that many officers were there because they filled the requirements not because they were actually competent, and some armies tended to favour people from the aristocracy and the upper classes regardless who often were a bunch of twits that considered the common soldiers inherently inferior and treated them like shit. It didn't help that WW1 was a very different war from what most experienced officers had experience with.
Yeah...there was a reason why WWI was a lesson in modern warfare massacre tactics. Most military theorists were still operating on single-shot rifle tactics, cavalry charges, and short-ranged artillery positioning in an era that had WITHIN A COUPLE DECADES developed light machine gun nests (machine guns had been invented prior, but they were massive and acted more like an alternative artillery piece rather than an infantry support platform;), automatic and semi-automatic rifles, and tens of thousands of soldiers rather than the few hundred to few thousand-man armies of the century prior. It was a HARD wake-up call, and it still took two years before cavalry charges were definitively declared a bad military strategy by top brass.
you forgot about the girl soldier. she doesn't have a character, she's just there so critics won't call the movie sexist. But fear not! the girl one never actually does anything
Norman M. Stewart The ones that do look battle ready tends to get killed off quite early (especially if they are a secondary character). The princess and girly types got a higher survival chance for some reason.
Zetto Vii The survival chances of female characters in visual media are measured by their "Boner Quotient", named after its' creator, Phileas M Boner. Loosely, it states that as their physical attractiveness and display of feminine traits (screaming at any surprising event, the obviousness of their attraction to the male protagonist, square acreage of skin revealed by their outfit etc) increase, so do their survival chances. Certain genres can subvert this somewhat, by having the final act of a story apply an inversion, thus guaranteeing their death as a motivator for the protagonist to engage in the final confrontation with the Big Bad
The war was horrendous. We stood on the deck, the canon cannon the battleship`s centrepiece as we blazed ahead, argument rockets screaming across the smoke-filled horizon. I did not know savagery until that moment. An obscenity missile tore into the deck, shredding the metal. It tore past my flesh, my skin burnt and torn, the born exposed. I tumbled into the calm waters of the Web, drifting until a surfer picked me up. I am lucky to be alive.
Like...ya boi sadist soldier captured enemy idealistic medic just to fuck his ass and ask for free medic bag everyday? *Assuming there is any Idealistic Medic for the "Enemy"*
Yes, I will write about war, with an evil empire, in space, and with a love dodecahedron, and a female chosen one, and it's gonna be great, with lots of battles and evil superiors who hate the lesser grunts.
Oh I know, they will wear full-bosy armor and when they kill someone they will scream, "For the Emperor!" And when they talk to each other about him they will always remeber to say, "The Emperor, praised be his name."
@@surprisedchar2458 Now technically, it was a love square between Hera, Aphrodite, Athena and Paris. Then the love triangle happened because he chose Aphrodite and she's...Aphrodite.
Also make sure that the enemy is absolutely evil, having their soldiers show no humanity at all and killing little kids everyone knows there's only one good side in a war!
One good side? That's stale. How about having no one but the medics, gruff vet, and protagonist show any humanity as the war slowly kills and/or consumes anyone with any sense of morality and innocence. *voice becomes dark and omnious* And in the end, only the horror and maliciousness of the war is left in the minds of the survivors as they endure the hard reality of PTSD, re-adjusting to civilian life, and the sheer ignorance of society.
@@devonrager8992 but that would be bo~ring! Why would someone read/ watch someone readjust their own lives after the war? The good side will always survive with little casualty while the bad side will be wiped out entirely! there is no room for PTSD there!
1:18 That is SO true! Nowadays protagonists in war movies are the only ones in the entire military inexplicably not wearing any kind of helmet, even though that literally decreases their chances of survival and sucks me out of the immersion, just to let the audience see the protagonist's face.
I actually made a reference to this in an early draft of my novel (sadly has since been removed) where this one dude refused to wear a helmet in case his life was actually a movie, and proceeded to get shot in the face on his first patrol. Hence all the characters never left the airfield without kevlars.
NizzleNotes There were some pretty serious studies of the effectiveness of, well, everything by the US after WWII. Turns out that infantry mostly needn't have bothered wearing helmets at all, but tank crews did benefit from them quite a lot
You might think it's a trope but the British Parachute Regiment is known for dropping in then removing their helmet to don their bright red beret, helmets are largely only useful for protecting against falling debris.
@@CynicalOldDwarf But that's the British. They're well known for abandoning all logic in favor of wearing bright red that makes them easily visible targets for enemies with average vision and moderately accurate weapons. But you know, I can kinda see why they might go with bright red and not neon green, or Hi-Viz yellow. Bright red is the same color of blood, and therefore is easier to wash.
Here's something that one should TOTALLY do (not): Have the surviving fighters have NO MENTAL TRAUMA after the war.... Yeah... BECAUSE TRAUMA TOTALLY NEVER HAPPENS TO SOLDIERS IN A WAR!
PTSD? Does that even exist? Nah, obviously not, there is no way hundreds of war veterans have their sleep, family and employability ruined by such things. It is all just a term that signifies something that midly miffs you! You should go and use it on social media to rack up sympathy points.
There was no PTSD in Soviet Union. Not even after the WWII. All who make claims to the contrary are western serpents seeking to besmirch the glorious history of the Motherland.
Well, the "incompetent officer" character is surprisingly accurate, because a lot of them don't have any actual experience, a lot of them are officers straight out of college
You forgot to include the religious soldier, just in case you feel the need to shoehorn in a spiritual theme (either for or against). It doesn't matter if you never actually tackle these themes in the story, having a religious character allows you to turn your empty, emotionless ending into a poignant one by adding in some obvious religious imagery in the final scene, like a giant cross or Jesus.
It's a trope, but it's a realistic one that people could get by. War is a horrible place to be in and soldiers cope through different ways. Seriously, they could have died the next day. Some become sadists, some cried for days, some used humour, and some turn to God for assurance.
0:06 The quote he is parodying is actually one of my favorites. “The point of war isn’t to die for your country. It’s to make the other poor bastard die for his.
Can we all agree that anyone writing a story about WW1 has to read/watch "All Quiet on the Western Front" first? I'm tired of WW1 Germans being depicted as Nazis.
@@mikitz lolololol. Are you racist? Stupid? OR both? Most German soldiers in WW1 fought for the Kaiser and the German people. On the ranks fought Jews, Social Democrats, Katholics,... (You just habe to look at the term ,,Burgfrieden"). And I' just saying, most German soldiers were monarchist and wanted to keep monarchy or replace it with a parlamentic Monarchie. And btw., the Nazis were Anti-monarchistic, so the ww1 German can't be compared to the WW2 German.
I think its a common thing to fall in love with a certain word or phrase, I fell in in love with the trope where two people are talking about the character and then that character shows up interrupting their talk with a one liner based on the last thing said about them.
Well, if the person actually is a kid, like, 15 or 16, then I think it is okay. I mean, in beasts of no nation, the main character actually is a kid. It could be a good theme to show how war destroyed innocence. Like in World War 1, many soldiers were 15, 16, or even 12 year olds who lied into their position and saw the horrors of war before they even finished High School thinking it would be some valiant journey, but instead, a mindless slaughter.
"Never address how this guy got to such a high rank in the first place despite never showing any leadership abilities at all", You haven't been in the military then have you? ;)
It should still be addressed how he got there. I think it'd help the viewers/readers understand better if they knew he got there through nepotism or something.
@@ElvenRaptor I mean it honestly doesn't have to be, it's a really common event in real life that doesn't even require special circumstances. If a kid goes through R.O.T.C. in college he'll be commissioned as an officer without any practical experience whatsoever. these guys then have to rely heavily on their NCO's because they're the ones with actual experience in the field.
ElvenRaptor ROTC stands for Reserve Officer Training Corps, and does straight up train college kids to be officers. Like in any field, it’s one thing to be certified, but another to be experienced. I wasn’t in the military but even I know that.
@@ElvenRaptor the point is, it's perfectly understandable how an incompetent person ends up high in the ranks. It happens normally and for diverse reasons, not necessarily favoritism
-The African American machine gunner with bodybuilders physique -The silent and mysterious sniper -The most average everyman protagonist who seems to be the only one who lost all his personality at the boot camp
Oh, we ALL know you're not kidding when it comes to the dreaded love triangle... One day, there'll be a video on the love triangle and we will learn the love triangle ITSELF isn't safe from another love triangle finding itself inside the love triangle...
I made a story plot, here it goes: K so basically there is a young teenage girl named Marina Suerre with long brown hair who gets bullied at her magic school but suddenly finds out she is a hybrid between a fairy wolf dragon and witch. She uses the powers and the ancient prophecy to fight the evil dark lord along with the other edgy outcasts in her class and finally gets equal rights for the kitchen sink elves and physco midgets. After that she gets stuck in a love decdrehedron with fellow war fighters and students but dates the hot bad boy vampire, who is an antihero who killed the bullies, and becomes queen of the dragon kingdom.
One of my favorite parts in a war movie was a part in Saving Private Ryan. Two soldiers in German uniforms walked towards two American soldiers after D-Day had been one. They were frantically speaking a language that neither of the Americans spoke, and the two were shot down for shit's and giggles. Turns out the soldiers were conscripts from Czechoslovakia, begging the soldiers not to shoot. That was a little known fact on D-Day, that many of the soliders were simply conscripts, but they were treated like trash anyway.
SPR is a terrible film. The scene you mentioned could be interesting, if it wasn't bookended at the end of the film with the message that it's ok to shoot a POW if they are German and you have a personal problem with them. Also, whether a soldier is a volunteer or conscript should not dictate how they are treated.
What pisses me off is when people use the “no prison facilities” excuse and totally avoid the point that war makes people do terrible things to the other side. Large POW camps were some of the first things set up at the Normandy Beaches. Real life supply shortages and abuses killed far more surrendered soldiers than refusal to show mercy, but of course that would make the allies look too much like their enemies. I don’t understand why people feel the need to alter history when there is so much horror and lessons about the human condition in real life.
There actually is an irl reason to keep The Sadist in the army. He gets shit done without being told to. Not everyone has the stomach to kill other human beings, but he does and he does it well. Nobody actually _ordered_ him to torture captives or kill helpless civilians, but he sure as fuck got the hint. He rarely faces war crimes because he's on the winning side and his crimes get lost in the background of war. While the development of such a character is quite interesting (e.g. The Anti-Hero), it's too much work; caricature is much easier.
I know that this comment is old, but that's actually a really cool idea. It brings into question at what point all the other characters would get sick of his aggression and value their own comfort and a lack of enemy suffering over his efficiency at getting the job done regardless of the cost.
John Doe I think JP’s point here is that such soldiers got pulled into a regular armies, rather than in a specialized force like SS. Still I think it would be interesting to see how other characters will react to his actions.
In real war, this is not how it works. "Evil people do evil things" is just a nice thing we say, so we can distance our self from warcrimes. The milgrim prison experiment showed that most people can turn into monsters given the right (or wrong) context. Most Nazi Warcriminals were normal people. In Nanking the vast majority of soldiers raped and killed POWs as well a civilians. That is (in my opinion) the real horror of war. Not that you get confronted with evil people, but that you might find, the real evil is in you.
@@tomost3891 sure, you can stare into the abyss till it stares back, but what you never realized was that the abyss was lurking in your eyes the whole time.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. If you are, then yes, they are very similar. If you aren't, then Fire Emblem is a strategy RPG in which if one of your recruited characters die, you lose them forever. Players like to ship characters. Some of the games have a second generation where the stats of the children depend on the parents, so people go crazy about that.
"Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not" They had Waifu Emblem in their comment replying to you about shipping in Fire EMBLEM, how is it hard to see they are being Sarcastic?
arte0021 Yes. If you want a good example of a fandom torn by shipping, look at the Voltron fandom (I’m being serious, read the posts they make and prepare to loose all faith in humanity). They’re the reason I stopped caring about the show.
Aidan Mcdonald Mostly mediocre. None of the characters were sympathetic enough. It has original and actually cool ideas that would work for the setting, however it handles it poorly.
That Guy Who Has No Life. It completely fumbled dealing with a war such as World War One where there isn't anything close to a "good" and "bad" most wars you can kinda simplify down to good and bad. WW1 you can't.
Terrible. The Italian soldier telling the story to his daughter, who has an oddly American accent, effectively solos an entrenched mountain position and is rendered invincible by wearing a few steel plates. He even survives a plane crashing into him. Totally realistic.
Khinzaw Thein what taking the Ottoman fort single handily? With a character who couldn't be more Australian if he was Mel Gibson in Gallipoli, waving an Australian flag while riding a Kangaroo.
If I was to create a war film, it would somehow become an action/adventure film instead. Obviously the characters will find themselves hanging off of cliffs or something.
It's insane how people genuinely write stories like this. So incredibly distasteful. From the bits and pieces I've read about war, I myself wouldn't dare touch the subject. It's something you would have to experience firsthand in one way or another, I think. Maybe that's just me. But either way it's sickening to think about dramatizing a real life war like this. Great vid
I love war stories and stories in war video games, they tell me educational things. Such as how Nazi's used tons upon tons of absolutely incompetent soldiers who get easily mowed down by a single soldier with an Engraved, Nickel Plated, M1911 Pistol and a squad of emotionally complex solidie- Wait, wrong plot. My point is that I love reading them because it tells me how everyone in the Great War used Tommy Guns, even though they were made after that time period, because all soldiers are actually plot related time machines. And in addition to loving them for that reason, I love them because it shows how accurate war is. And they're always so serious! I mean come on, they're realistic and so serious that they'd never show someone getting shot in the rear end (especially in Vietnam)! I mean what sensible movie would feature comedy in war scene? Not a good one that's what. Also, they show me how humanity has the quietest guns of all time! For example: did you know that a large 50. Mounted Machine Gun has the sound of a gentleman coughing in an Elitist English Private bar? I didn't until I played the new call of duty games!
I also learned from military FPS games that suppressed weapons make absolutely no noise from the enemy's perspective, so you fire away like you don't have to worry about heat regulation and the guards won't hear a thing! But be careful, because if you make so much as one non-crouched footstep or nudge an object, every guard in the room will instantly know where you are and empty their magazines towards you no better than stormtroopers would, possibly hitting each other more than you. [To hilarious effect depending on if the game allows enemies to damage each other or not.]
shadowslayer205 I've also found that games also teach me the crime system very well, as for example Skyrim taught me that if you commit a single crime, everyone will instantly know and attempt to murder you
shadowslayer205 I've also found that games also teach me the crime system very well, as for example Skyrim taught me that if you commit a single crime, everyone will instantly know and attempt to murder you
@@winterlarsime9938 and I love war genres because always make it about WW2 and not WW1 because why humanize the German soldiers when you can just make them pure evil nazis who have no emotion.
If the mother or child does not die, the father will. Or someone doesn't approve of the child's father or the having of the child (if they're in high school or something). You need to shoehorn bitterness into a traditionally happy thing somehow.
Kill the parents, but stretch it out over a really long amount of time in order to make your readers feel sorry for the baby, who, in the end, is brought to the orphanage to tell their new friends their sob story. Proceed to write a sequel where the surviving child finds out they had a long lost sibling who's a black-belt in karate and valedictorian in the advanced class of their fancy ivy league college
Captain America's Howling Commandos did not have a Scottish or Irish-accented guy on the team. They had a French guy! But Wonder Woman's squad did have a Scotsman.
Thank you for pointing out the atrocity known as the Pearl Harbor movie! (At least when I came out of the theater pissed off, my Dad introduced me to Tora Tora Tora.)
Me too lol. When I was like in 4th grade I tried making a WW2 story. Glad it only had beginning. Itd be pretty cringe. The protag was a 16yo whose parents died from a black death. I remember these 2 facts and its enough. I know this story would turn cringe.
@@updog9567 that could work if you set it in China and he takes up arms against the Japanese. The IJA was no stranger to just releasing bioweapons on Chinese civilians.
@@surprisedchar2458 yeah but back then i knew sheet about WW2. I still dont know as much as I would like to so I have to educate myself, but lots of history books are boring and even if they arent it still doesnt feel as nice as reading idk warrior cats. I wish there was a manga or action/spy oriented book that would tell a historically accurate story with the construction of well, as I mentioned earlier, action novel. About WW2 i mean. I have read a book like that once, historical about the false accusation of Dreyfus, written by Robert Harris, officer and spy or something like that, I recommend it lol.
I once wrote a Vietnam war story when I was like 11 for something in class. The teacher liked it alot apparently. I just recently dug it up and I still think I did pretty well for an 11 year old. (with some cringey exceptions of course). I remember when I portrayed the medic as the sadistic kind.
As someone with ADHD, I've once sighed extremely loud when I read a story involving something along the lines of- Char 1: "...Wow! You're an excelent fencer!" Char 2: "Yeah well, I mean, my ADHD makes me more able to process thinks *really* quick, especially fast-paced stuff like fighting, but I can't really concentrate hard with stuff like homework because of it." Me: *rolls eyes in Spanish*
No, killing a member of a pacifist organization like the Red Cross is illegal (and even 1st world soldiers shoot them all the time.) Anybody who takes up arms, including many medics, are soldiers and legitimate targets.
Noah Boddie Does Han/Luke/Leia count? Or Arwen/Eowyn/Aragorn? Definitely the Legolas/ElfGirl/PrettyDwarf triangle from the Hobbit movies. And I guess you could make a love triangle in the Mass Effect games, if you want.
Furthermore: Jack, Will and Elisabeth Tsu'tey, Neytiri and Sully Gale, Katniss and Peeta And my personal favourite: Harry Potter and the love dodecahedron
The Legolas/Tauriel/Kili one only happened in the movie, because Tauriel didn't exist in the book. The Arwen/Eowyn/Aragorn one was grossly over-exaggerated in the movies, and barely present in the books. So not bad book tropes, but *definitely* bad screenplay tropes.
debaiona Oh, definitely; I brought them up because Pearl Harbor was the example in the video. Everyone knows that the book Love Triangles were Frodo/Ring/Boromir, Frodo/Samwise/Smeagol, Frodo/Precious/Gollum, and Frodo/Smeagol/Gollum. Also Smaug/Arkenstone/Thorin and Bilbo/Precious/Gollum.
I will base my characters on parts of my personality: 1. Nico, leader and good at tactics 2. Lucky, the bad joke guy 3. Jock, protective towards friends 4. Larry, the aggressive man 5. Sasha, the suspicious and paranoid one
Remember, EVERY soldier is a philosopher. It doesn't matter if he's in the middle of battle and he's dodging death at every turn. Ignore the fact he's a twenty year old male who probably hasn't picked up a book since highschool, and only cares about sex and shooting. Ignore the fact that a paragraph discussing the ethics of combat will slow down your narrative
Actually, he probably doesn't care about shooting either. I mean, if you're talking WW2 or sooner, when we didn't know that drafting people against their will to fight in armies, meant they weren't actually shooting AT the enemy... just in their general direction. That is, until we brainwashed them to be good little soldiers and shoot everything that moves without ANY thought.
Just about every soldier IS a philosopher. The majority of war is sitting around being bored out of your mind with the same group of guys for months on end. The conversations can go to some very odd places, besides the standard soda/pop arguments (for the record, it's called soda) and debating whether fucking a stepsister counts as incest.
I'm working on a novel of my own, and your videos actually help me flesh out the world and characters. Of course, I understand your heavy sarcasm, actually listening to your advice would make an awful book.
You missed the "one short moment over a meal or around fire we all use to humanize the squad and have them actually exchange words like actual humans would, to show that they ARE in this together as friends who all hate war and what it did to them and how they will do better after the war, and what they will do (but will be killed for more sadness)"
From at least the 1900s, they were well documented by both sides, so that isn't too much of a problem nowadays as long as you don't you know read literal propaganda
@@JohnsonTheSecond Almost all western literature about the eastern front was written by former Wehrmacht and SS "historians". Only recently did Soviet sources began to be translated.
@@andro7862 Sure, of course, only now we began reading them, I'm 100% sure that they had no impact on perception before now. And you're really showing how unbiased you are calling them ""historians"", anyway, I said in hindsight.
2:29 Hanks played a captain in Saving Private Ryan, who's usually the most senior officer expected to be actually fighting. Same with Damien Lewis in Band of Brothers (portraying Richard Winters, lieutenant promoted to captain, but was pulled off the battlefield when he was made a major). Even John Wayne and Mel Gibson, who were cast as colonels (Benjamin Vandervoort and Harold Moore, respectively) were playing senior officers known to have fought on the front lines (Vandervoort was seriously wounded in Belgium and Moore recounted in his book "We Were Soldiers And Young" that he briefly was forced to fight in the Battle of Ia Drang).
Okay. I'm writing a war story and by now I have everything done in a different way: -I actually researched the type of combat and the battles going on. -There is no 'boot scene': at the most (in the first chapter) the protagonist only meets four men of his regiment and learns that a school friend of him is at the unit. -Most soldiers are conscripts. -I have three "veteran" guys: one is inferior in range to the protagonist, the other two are officers with one having a sort of mentor role (and good officer role), and the other is a partner being not a psychopath, but being addicted to hard emotions. -Most the officers aren't incompetent. Also, commanding from the front can be useful for morale purposes if the officer leads a unit smaller than a division. It isn't so rare trough history, and many good leaders did that.
2:39 Saving Private Ryan has that type of character but he didnt die. I actually was worried for him because the most innocent character usually gets killed for feels, but he actually survived the film
It is also required to include at least one scene where the tank of a flamethrower is shot and erupts into flames engulfing the user and several men surrounding him despite the fact that it is incredibly unlikely that a real flamethrower would do this, even when shot.
Ya know. One could write a story about a squad inside a trench or foxhole while war is heard off in the distance but don’t make it to them till the third act. Just keep the tension building with the characters getting more nervous or excited while new reports come in of enemy movement then “surprise attack.” And shit hits the fan
This seems like a love triangle between a story, the bad boy triangle, and the sweet and gentle not-triangle! Whose Story gonna end up with! Read to find out~
Nothing is safe from the love triangle, not even the love triangle.
What about love Icosikaihenagons(Shape with 21 sides)
TheCommunistDragon Even they are not safe, as the triangles lurk within.
A shape with 21 sides? I think you mean a shape made up of 7 love triangles.
You tough love triangles were horrible, until you watch '' the host'' and realise that Love SQUARES are coming to get you. No one is safe and everybody is undecided, about who to go out with.
The result is the Israeli flag
NO GENRE IS SAFE. HIDE YOUR PLOTS. PROTECT YOUR STORIES. WE CANNOT LET THE LOVE TRIANGLES TAKE OVER.
+CarmelBear Too late. This comment thread was also taken over by a love triangle
Dule Savic Bend down to our inconsistent overlords
The top three comments are now a love triangle.
"Making my first novel, hopefully love won't reach my passion that might force me to put a love triangle
''the war against love triangle''
Remember: NEVER depict the enemy as anything other than 110% evil
Intergalactic Human Empire Nuance is for maggots.
We exist in a world of black and white, we may only perceive human morality through the screen of an original gameboy.
sorry but when you are in war, that's exactly how you're going to see your enemy. in the moment, they're nothing more than just targets and either you fight for your life and your brothers, or you get killed.
VocalCalibration wouldn't that be dark green and yellow green then?
TheGuy sure, if your writing from a first person perspective and not on a grander scale
There's only one thing which bugs me about this video. As a veteran myself, I have met EVERY SINGLE ONE of those "tropes" in real life. Incompetent officers in particular were a painfully common experience =_=
these tropes obviously exist in real life, and they can exist in fiction; but when the characters all have absolutely no personality beyond the trope, it is considered poor storytelling.
my question is did any of the saidists become a war criminal?
@@josiahmartin329 When you have an idiot for a Lt. that is the only trait you see in him.
Thank you for your services
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When Hiromu Arakawa wrote the Ishbalan war arc of Fullmetal Alchemist, a fantasy war in a fantasy setting, she not only read many books on various real-life wars, but she sat down and interviewed surviving veterans of WW2. The story that she claims stuck with her the hardest was the one old man who only sadly said, "I still can't watch war movies."
and the result was amazing.
She really is a genius.
Wait, the Isvalan war was based on WW2? I know Amestris is suppose to be based on Nazi Germany, but I thought Isval was based on the Middle East.
@Wyatt Earp More probably imperial prussia if I'm right (which I'm probably not since I haven't read FMA since a lot of time)
plot twist: that guy was actually jp
You forgot a couple of characters/archetypes in your squadron:
- The guy from Brooklyn with the thick Italian or Puerto Rican accent (the latter if you want a token Latino);
- The guy from Texas who wears his 10 gallon hat under his helmet;
- The overweight "slow" one who ultimately takes one for the team by falling on a grenade, or jumps in front of the hero to take a bullet;
- The Midwestern kid who had never left his farm before the war, and never swears (e.g. "golly gee willickers.")
- The guy who always quotes from, and carries The Bible.
Several of those character tropes sounded like a couple of the characters from "Fury".
Doesn't the religious guy usually end up going the craziest?
don't forget the mandatory "bullet stuck in the Bible scene"
Jehova's Abettor
Not to mention the fan favorite: "Soldier holding a locket containing a picture of a loved one back home scene."
+Louis Duarte Name one war story where the religious guy ends up crazy. They almost always die sniping or carrying a wounded comrade.
"The incompetent and usually authoritarian officer who'll probably get his men killed": a WW1 classic!
General Melchett and Captain Darling
This trope is actually based in reality in regards to WWI, in many armies you still needed to have finished high school at the very least to become officers and in most places they were relatively few because only relatively well off people could go beyond elementary school (and in extreme cases most of the soldiers were illiterate, Italy was in this situation at the time) with the result that many officers were there because they filled the requirements not because they were actually competent, and some armies tended to favour people from the aristocracy and the upper classes regardless who often were a bunch of twits that considered the common soldiers inherently inferior and treated them like shit. It didn't help that WW1 was a very different war from what most experienced officers had experience with.
Paths of Glory has it all
Yeah...there was a reason why WWI was a lesson in modern warfare massacre tactics. Most military theorists were still operating on single-shot rifle tactics, cavalry charges, and short-ranged artillery positioning in an era that had WITHIN A COUPLE DECADES developed light machine gun nests (machine guns had been invented prior, but they were massive and acted more like an alternative artillery piece rather than an infantry support platform;), automatic and semi-automatic rifles, and tens of thousands of soldiers rather than the few hundred to few thousand-man armies of the century prior.
It was a HARD wake-up call, and it still took two years before cavalry charges were definitively declared a bad military strategy by top brass.
Baaaah!
you forgot about the girl soldier. she doesn't have a character, she's just there so critics won't call the movie sexist. But fear not! the girl one never actually does anything
Norman M. Stewart
The ones that do look battle ready tends to get killed off quite early (especially if they are a secondary character). The princess and girly types got a higher survival chance for some reason.
Zetto Vii The survival chances of female characters in visual media are measured by their "Boner Quotient", named after its' creator, Phileas M Boner. Loosely, it states that as their physical attractiveness and display of feminine traits (screaming at any surprising event, the obviousness of their attraction to the male protagonist, square acreage of skin revealed by their outfit etc) increase, so do their survival chances. Certain genres can subvert this somewhat, by having the final act of a story apply an inversion, thus guaranteeing their death as a motivator for the protagonist to engage in the final confrontation with the Big Bad
Zetto Vii how right you are; and there's a trope for that! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/VasquezAlwaysDies
or she's insanely badass with no personality and no emotions. She's just 'tough'. gotta love em "strong female characters"
even though (on the front lines) historically, women would only be able to be medics, which would make the critics call them sexist.
"If there's one thing that fandoms take almost as seriously as war, it's shipping."
May I dare disagree? Shipping is a war.
Most wars end however
USS Iowa vs IJN Yamato
@@aptspire Nah, war the besto wifi contest.
The war was horrendous. We stood on the deck, the canon cannon the battleship`s centrepiece as we blazed ahead, argument rockets screaming across the smoke-filled horizon. I did not know savagery until that moment. An obscenity missile tore into the deck, shredding the metal. It tore past my flesh, my skin burnt and torn, the born exposed. I tumbled into the calm waters of the Web, drifting until a surfer picked me up. I am lucky to be alive.
@@defox5019 Montana vs Yamato, Taiho vs Essex
My history teacher refused to watch that movie because he knew it had a love triangle.
It's also not historically accurate at all, and in A movie called "Pearl Harbor" the love tried shouldn't be the main plot.
'I miss you almost as much as Pearl Harbor missed the point'
- Team America: the World Police
We watched it in high school once and I immediately forgot about it until watching the Nostalgia Critic rant about it.
Pearl Harbor is a 2 1/2 hour long movie about the Japanese launching a surprise attack on an American Love Triangle.
Shipping...shipping never changes
Zymemaru: Can't... stop... laughing!
Zymemaru
BulletStorm:
"Or does it.... Shipping just changed"
I can make my ship an aircraft carrier though.
Zymemaru
Shipping... shipping has changed...
Have you heard of someone black mailing a group of creators to make their one true pairing canon? For that happen recently with voltron.
I ship The Sadist Soldier with The Idealistic Medic
But of course, The Protagonist can be added to have the love triangle
Is that Some Sort of Yaoi + BDSM Doujin shit?!
Nisselak That's.... kinda cute in a strange way. Of course, though, a love triangle MUST be added to make it more angsty and dramatic! :D
@@majorblitz3846 Hell yes Blitz
Like...ya boi sadist soldier captured enemy idealistic medic just to fuck his ass and ask for free medic bag everyday?
*Assuming there is any Idealistic Medic for the "Enemy"*
So TF2?
Yes, I will write about war, with an evil empire, in space, and with a love dodecahedron, and a female chosen one, and it's gonna be great, with lots of battles and evil superiors who hate the lesser grunts.
How's writing Star Wars episodes 8 and 9 going?
Denison Fagundes hey I would read and watch that!
Oh I know, they will wear full-bosy armor and when they kill someone they will scream, "For the Emperor!" And when they talk to each other about him they will always remeber to say, "The Emperor, praised be his name."
Denison Fagundes hey thats warhammer 40k in a nutshell
Arturo Villarreal Oh, someone got the reference. Praise the Emperor!
Why not have a war story in wich a war starts because of a love triangle.
We already have Troy, we don't need anymore.
Just fucking kill me.
HAVE YOU SEEN ANY FANDOM?
Greece beat him to it a couple thousand years ago.
@@surprisedchar2458 Now technically, it was a love square between Hera, Aphrodite, Athena and Paris. Then the love triangle happened because he chose Aphrodite and she's...Aphrodite.
But... but how do I use shaky cam in a book?
John Wreed Just shake the book.
You can put *shake the book*
Or you can write shaky
POV: you are the cameraman from the office
Just do it!
>when the youtube channel you made to subtly promote your self-published book outshines that book's success in about three months
fake name It's Max Barry and Nationstates all over again...
Also make sure that the enemy is absolutely evil, having their soldiers show no humanity at all and killing little kids
everyone knows there's only one good side in a war!
Yes!! Because not even some nazis were kind and didn't agree with what they were doing! No nazis ever went against orders or disliked Hitler!
But we need one scene with protagonist struggling to kill an "innocent" enemy. Most likely a fresh solidier or a father or a child
One good side? That's stale.
How about having no one but the medics, gruff vet, and protagonist show any humanity as the war slowly kills and/or consumes anyone with any sense of morality and innocence.
*voice becomes dark and omnious*
And in the end, only the horror and maliciousness of the war is left in the minds of the survivors as they endure the hard reality of PTSD, re-adjusting to civilian life, and the sheer ignorance of society.
@@panlis6243 Don't forget to make the protagonist spend a minute looking at the innoccent's corpse in slow motion.
@@devonrager8992 but that would be bo~ring! Why would someone read/ watch someone readjust their own lives after the war? The good side will always survive with little casualty while the bad side will be wiped out entirely! there is no room for PTSD there!
You forgot the spice of war stories. 1) Ridiculous enemy weapons and 2) pet companion that's used for audience manipul-I MEAN sympathy. :3
We would need a nuclear-equiped walking battle tank. Some kind of Metal Gear
Thats literally the only thing thats Missing in the first captain america movie. a pet dog fighting the evil hydra nazis
where is the priest who ended here and has rescued him and the hero by a bullet being STUCK IN THE BIBLE ?
*ahem* every single German soldier armed with an MP40 *ahem*
You forgot the pet has to sacrifice itself for the protagonist in the climax for maximum shock value. I bet nobody will see that coming
"If there's one thing fandoms take almost as seriously as war, it's SHIPPING. "
What do you mean by "almost"?
He means they take it way more seriously, but it's close. Still above but close.
@@JohnsonTheSecond He was obviously trying to be funny.
1:18 That is SO true! Nowadays protagonists in war movies are the only ones in the entire military inexplicably not wearing any kind of helmet, even though that literally decreases their chances of survival and sucks me out of the immersion, just to let the audience see the protagonist's face.
I actually made a reference to this in an early draft of my novel (sadly has since been removed) where this one dude refused to wear a helmet in case his life was actually a movie, and proceeded to get shot in the face on his first patrol. Hence all the characters never left the airfield without kevlars.
NizzleNotes There were some pretty serious studies of the effectiveness of, well, everything by the US after WWII. Turns out that infantry mostly needn't have bothered wearing helmets at all, but tank crews did benefit from them quite a lot
This can be used as a sign of toughness or self opinion and also make them contrast with all this dead meat around.
You might think it's a trope but the British Parachute Regiment is known for dropping in then removing their helmet to don their bright red beret, helmets are largely only useful for protecting against falling debris.
@@CynicalOldDwarf But that's the British. They're well known for abandoning all logic in favor of wearing bright red that makes them easily visible targets for enemies with average vision and moderately accurate weapons. But you know, I can kinda see why they might go with bright red and not neon green, or Hi-Viz yellow. Bright red is the same color of blood, and therefore is easier to wash.
Here's something that one should TOTALLY do (not):
Have the surviving fighters have NO MENTAL TRAUMA after the war.... Yeah...
BECAUSE TRAUMA TOTALLY NEVER HAPPENS TO SOLDIERS IN A WAR!
Or have absolutely everyone get ptsd and end up in exactly the same situations over and over again!
PTSD? Does that even exist? Nah, obviously not, there is no way hundreds of war veterans have their sleep, family and employability ruined by such things. It is all just a term that signifies something that midly miffs you! You should go and use it on social media to rack up sympathy points.
It would be interesting to read something on a psychopath returning from war who saw it as 'no big deal' in their life
There was no PTSD in Soviet Union. Not even after the WWII. All who make claims to the contrary are western serpents seeking to besmirch the glorious history of the Motherland.
not all soldiers have mental trauma, tho. But yeah, it would make sense for some of them to.
Well, the "incompetent officer" character is surprisingly accurate, because a lot of them don't have any actual experience, a lot of them are officers straight out of college
You forgot to include the religious soldier, just in case you feel the need to shoehorn in a spiritual theme (either for or against). It doesn't matter if you never actually tackle these themes in the story, having a religious character allows you to turn your empty, emotionless ending into a poignant one by adding in some obvious religious imagery in the final scene, like a giant cross or Jesus.
It's a trope, but it's a realistic one that people could get by. War is a horrible place to be in and soldiers cope through different ways. Seriously, they could have died the next day. Some become sadists, some cried for days, some used humour, and some turn to God for assurance.
Note: the religious one is actually a good person, but dies at the final battle.
So basically Father Mulcahy but written poorly
@@EzioAltairist The religious one is always good unless the person writing for the character doesn't agree with the Religion in question
Amazing if used correctly, thank you for bringing that up
0:06 The quote he is parodying is actually one of my favorites.
“The point of war isn’t to die for your country. It’s to make the other poor bastard die for his.
Who, Patton?
@@dolphingoreeaccount7395 yep
Can we all agree that anyone writing a story about WW1 has to read/watch "All Quiet on the Western Front" first? I'm tired of WW1 Germans being depicted as Nazis.
Technically, lots of Nazis fought during the WWI. They just didn't know it yet.
@@mikitz lolololol.
Are you racist? Stupid? OR both?
Most German soldiers in WW1 fought for the Kaiser and the German people. On the ranks fought Jews, Social Democrats, Katholics,... (You just habe to look at the term ,,Burgfrieden").
And I' just saying, most German soldiers were monarchist and wanted to keep monarchy or replace it with a parlamentic Monarchie.
And btw., the Nazis were Anti-monarchistic, so the ww1 German can't be compared to the WW2 German.
@@Etzelsschizo I think he was joking.
@@la-zrider2749 there are no signs of sarcasm.
@@Etzelsschizo who wouldn't be anti-monarchist after a war as shitty as ww1 start because of monarchism and nationalism lmao
"Why not add in a love triangle." *Proceeds to lose shit*
Mr "John Smith" you arent a gud writer aren't uuu?
Why do you think I'm majoring in mechanical engineering?
Uhhhhh...timey wimey stuff?
Because my writing is shit.
And what is mechanical engineering going to do? im dont know what they do.
1:47
I've never noticed how much of a trope saying 'kid' was. I need to go make some....adjustments now.
Jaiya Papaya I feel you, I once had a character who did that, BUT after I watched a crap ton of research I changed 71% of her character.
Don't worry about it, kid
😏
I think its a common thing to fall in love with a certain word or phrase, I fell in in love with the trope where two people are talking about the character and then that character shows up interrupting their talk with a one liner based on the last thing said about them.
Or have the grizzled old vet call the newcomer "rookie".
Well, if the person actually is a kid, like, 15 or 16, then I think it is okay. I mean, in beasts of no nation, the main character actually is a kid. It could be a good theme to show how war destroyed innocence. Like in World War 1, many soldiers were 15, 16, or even 12 year olds who lied into their position and saw the horrors of war before they even finished High School thinking it would be some valiant journey, but instead, a mindless slaughter.
"Never address how this guy got to such a high rank in the first place despite never showing any leadership abilities at all", You haven't been in the military then have you? ;)
It should still be addressed how he got there. I think it'd help the viewers/readers understand better if they knew he got there through nepotism or something.
@@ElvenRaptor I mean it honestly doesn't have to be, it's a really common event in real life that doesn't even require special circumstances. If a kid goes through R.O.T.C. in college he'll be commissioned as an officer without any practical experience whatsoever. these guys then have to rely heavily on their NCO's because they're the ones with actual experience in the field.
@@lweaver2988 Interesting. I'd always assumed they made younger, lower officers learn under older, higher up officers.
ElvenRaptor ROTC stands for Reserve Officer Training Corps, and does straight up train college kids to be officers. Like in any field, it’s one thing to be certified, but another to be experienced. I wasn’t in the military but even I know that.
@@ElvenRaptor the point is, it's perfectly understandable how an incompetent person ends up high in the ranks. It happens normally and for diverse reasons, not necessarily favoritism
Actually the incompetant officer can be handwaved with two easy words:
'2nd lieutenant' Most soldiers reading will buy it.
-The African American machine gunner with bodybuilders physique
-The silent and mysterious sniper
-The most average everyman protagonist who seems to be the only one who lost all his personality at the boot camp
Showing no leadership abilities at all is the primary requirement to become a junior officer.
TwoHeavens that is the damn truth, with the NCO and the junior troops cpnfused
It's called connections.
The Senior NCO is honestly going to be the officer for the Junior Officer.
Oh, we ALL know you're not kidding when it comes to the dreaded love triangle...
One day, there'll be a video on the love triangle and we will learn the love triangle ITSELF isn't safe from another love triangle finding itself inside the love triangle...
FOR EXAMPLE, 1 LOVE TRIANGLE CAN FIT FOUR OTHERS
Love-Triangle-ception
the horror
the horror
Write a threesome of love triangles and watch it mutate into a love octagon, as it slowly and traumatically devours the fabric of time & space.
time to ship some shapes :3
"Don't worry, I'm sure history nerds won't point out it's historical inaccuracies."
Possibly the worst advice ever given on this channel.
**holds historically accurate M1935 Mauser Karabiner von Gewehr-1898 (Karabiner-98 Kurz) 7.92x57mm like a baseball bat, slowly clapping it**
I Disagree with you sir, the Kar-98 will surely not beat my Historical Accurate Winchester Model 1897 with 12 Gauge 2 3/4" Incendiary Slug Rounds
I made a story plot, here it goes:
K so basically there is a young teenage girl named Marina Suerre with long brown hair who gets bullied at her magic school but suddenly finds out she is a hybrid between a fairy wolf dragon and witch. She uses the powers and the ancient prophecy to fight the evil dark lord along with the other edgy outcasts in her class and finally gets equal rights for the kitchen sink elves and physco midgets. After that she gets stuck in a love decdrehedron with fellow war fighters and students but dates the hot bad boy vampire, who is an antihero who killed the bullies, and becomes queen of the dragon kingdom.
Ok
FRITZ HAS SPOKEN
WHY iS EVERYONE ACTING LIKE THEY KNOW ME EVERYWHERE I FUCKING GO LEAVE ME ALONE PLEASE I AM SCARED FOR MY WIFE that i beat to death this eveing
dodecahedron*?
I kind of want kitchen sink elves to be a thing...
One of my favorite parts in a war movie was a part in Saving Private Ryan. Two soldiers in German uniforms walked towards two American soldiers after D-Day had been one. They were frantically speaking a language that neither of the Americans spoke, and the two were shot down for shit's and giggles. Turns out the soldiers were conscripts from Czechoslovakia, begging the soldiers not to shoot. That was a little known fact on D-Day, that many of the soliders were simply conscripts, but they were treated like trash anyway.
SPR is a terrible film. The scene you mentioned could be interesting, if it wasn't bookended at the end of the film with the message that it's ok to shoot a POW if they are German and you have a personal problem with them. Also, whether a soldier is a volunteer or conscript should not dictate how they are treated.
@@therightarmofthefreeworld4703 would love to see you make a film then
What pisses me off is when people use the “no prison facilities” excuse and totally avoid the point that war makes people do terrible things to the other side. Large POW camps were some of the first things set up at the Normandy Beaches. Real life supply shortages and abuses killed far more surrendered soldiers than refusal to show mercy, but of course that would make the allies look too much like their enemies.
I don’t understand why people feel the need to alter history when there is so much horror and lessons about the human condition in real life.
There actually is an irl reason to keep The Sadist in the army. He gets shit done without being told to. Not everyone has the stomach to kill other human beings, but he does and he does it well.
Nobody actually _ordered_ him to torture captives or kill helpless civilians, but he sure as fuck got the hint. He rarely faces war crimes because he's on the winning side and his crimes get lost in the background of war.
While the development of such a character is quite interesting (e.g. The Anti-Hero), it's too much work; caricature is much easier.
I know that this comment is old, but that's actually a really cool idea. It brings into question at what point all the other characters would get sick of his aggression and value their own comfort and a lack of enemy suffering over his efficiency at getting the job done regardless of the cost.
John Doe I think JP’s point here is that such soldiers got pulled into a regular armies, rather than in a specialized force like SS. Still I think it would be interesting to see how other characters will react to his actions.
In real war, this is not how it works. "Evil people do evil things" is just a nice thing we say, so we can distance our self from warcrimes. The milgrim prison experiment showed that most people can turn into monsters given the right (or wrong) context. Most Nazi Warcriminals were normal people. In Nanking the vast majority of soldiers raped and killed POWs as well a civilians.
That is (in my opinion) the real horror of war. Not that you get confronted with evil people, but that you might find, the real evil is in you.
@@tomost3891 sure, you can stare into the abyss till it stares back, but what you never realized was that the abyss was lurking in your eyes the whole time.
@@tomost3891 just a point of information, that prison experiment is completely unreliable as a source.
"Showing pictures of loved ones is a sure fire way to die"
Were looking at you Maes Hughes
Not to mention having any plans for the future.
Too soon.
When you said "love triangle" my gut reaction was immediately "Pearl Harbor!!"
or enemy at the gates!
Or Cold Mountain!
I immediately thought of Enemy At the Gates.
Moby Dick I but enemy at the gates is sort of good
When i heard 'love triangle', I remembered that movie about Stalingrad, I think it was Enemy at the Gates.
I can't count how many war stories I've read that say "This scene is filtered through shaky cam." When will _writers_ learn. Smh
futurestoryteller I see thou Haveth scroll through the comment section just like I
Except that the incompetent officer is definitively a real thing. Lieutenants are just Privates with college degrees.
Suggestions for future videos:
Kids books
poetry
Christmas story's
Don't forget love triangles
+Media Ghost You can never forget the love triangles.
+Media Ghost You can never forget the love triangles.
+Media Ghost You can never forget the love triangles.
Casual CraftMan Pffffft kids story are simple as in the Wimpy Kids book say as long as there's a lesson it's good enough
"If there's one thing fandoms take as almost as seriously as war is shipping." Fire Emblem, anyone?
Dohiwario Fire Emblem? what's that? but I have heard of Waifu Emblem are the games similar?
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
If you are, then yes, they are very similar.
If you aren't, then Fire Emblem is a strategy RPG in which if one of your recruited characters die, you lose them forever. Players like to ship characters. Some of the games have a second generation where the stats of the children depend on the parents, so people go crazy about that.
Dohiwario unless you're on Casual XD
A paladin and a dragoon meet. DID SOMEONE CALL FOR A LOVE TRIANGLE? **drops off white mage love interest**
"Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not"
They had Waifu Emblem in their comment replying to you about shipping in Fire EMBLEM, how is it hard to see they are being Sarcastic?
Putting a love triangle in a war story is easy! Just have the main character’s wife cheat on him while he’s deployed! Oh, is that not what you meant?
Usually, it's the main character falling for a beautiful spy or refugee or civilian or prostitute. At least in the WWII stories I've read.
"If there is one thing fandoms take almost as serious as war, it's shipping."
NO! THEY TAKE IT MORE SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!
I dont get it. Why would they take something as trivial and stupid as shipping so seriously? Are they retarded?
arte0021 Yes. If you want a good example of a fandom torn by shipping, look at the Voltron fandom (I’m being serious, read the posts they make and prepare to loose all faith in humanity). They’re the reason I stopped caring about the show.
Your profile pic is amazing
Reminder: ALWAYS have America as the good guys and any other battles with no Americans is nothing more than non-Strategic!
Because of course, America is superior to other factions anyway!
P.s. Pfft, the Waffles-SS.
Filipinos: HENERAL LUNA
To be fair, a lot of famous war movies come from America.
Well, it's more like 'whatever country the story was written in' in the America slot, then you've got it right.
Unless it’s Vietnam or sometimes the Iraq war
and off course: This is not a game, kiddo
especially said if in a game.
This is war, kiddo.
"You're in _my_ town now."
"You're in _my_ town now."
Can you do a teen dystopia faction writing advice next? I would love that!
Finna
He already did dystopoas
Just add a love triangle
The very first episode.
Look at The 100. Just have a hot blonde in a love triangle and if people Stop watching your shoy, have her make out with other hot girls.
Fucking Divergent, Hunger Games, and Maze Runner much?
Battlefield 1's campaign suddenly comes to mind.
That Guy Who Has No Life. Being good or bad? Bad right?
Aidan Mcdonald Mostly mediocre.
None of the characters were sympathetic enough.
It has original and actually cool ideas that would work for the setting, however it handles it poorly.
That Guy Who Has No Life. It completely fumbled dealing with a war such as World War One where there isn't anything close to a "good" and "bad" most wars you can kinda simplify down to good and bad. WW1 you can't.
Terrible. The Italian soldier telling the story to his daughter, who has an oddly American accent, effectively solos an entrenched mountain position and is rendered invincible by wearing a few steel plates. He even survives a plane crashing into him. Totally realistic.
Khinzaw Thein what taking the Ottoman fort single handily? With a character who couldn't be more Australian if he was Mel Gibson in Gallipoli, waving an Australian flag while riding a Kangaroo.
If I was to create a war film, it would somehow become an action/adventure film instead. Obviously the characters will find themselves hanging off of cliffs or something.
it would end on a CLIFFHANGER (I want to die)
@@ttty2242 , just join the military
I would write a 'strong woman' character, then have her be the first to be killed off just to piss off the critics and journalists
It's insane how people genuinely write stories like this. So incredibly distasteful. From the bits and pieces I've read about war, I myself wouldn't dare touch the subject. It's something you would have to experience firsthand in one way or another, I think. Maybe that's just me. But either way it's sickening to think about dramatizing a real life war like this.
Great vid
I love war stories and stories in war video games, they tell me educational things. Such as how Nazi's used tons upon tons of absolutely incompetent soldiers who get easily mowed down by a single soldier with an Engraved, Nickel Plated, M1911 Pistol and a squad of emotionally complex solidie-
Wait, wrong plot. My point is that I love reading them because it tells me how everyone in the Great War used Tommy Guns, even though they were made after that time period, because all soldiers are actually plot related time machines.
And in addition to loving them for that reason, I love them because it shows how accurate war is. And they're always so serious! I mean come on, they're realistic and so serious that they'd never show someone getting shot in the rear end (especially in Vietnam)! I mean what sensible movie would feature comedy in war scene? Not a good one that's what.
Also, they show me how humanity has the quietest guns of all time! For example: did you know that a large 50. Mounted Machine Gun has the sound of a gentleman coughing in an Elitist English Private bar? I didn't until I played the new call of duty games!
I also learned from military FPS games that suppressed weapons make absolutely no noise from the enemy's perspective, so you fire away like you don't have to worry about heat regulation and the guards won't hear a thing! But be careful, because if you make so much as one non-crouched footstep or nudge an object, every guard in the room will instantly know where you are and empty their magazines towards you no better than stormtroopers would, possibly hitting each other more than you. [To hilarious effect depending on if the game allows enemies to damage each other or not.]
shadowslayer205 I've also found that games also teach me the crime system very well, as for example Skyrim taught me that if you commit a single crime, everyone will instantly know and attempt to murder you
shadowslayer205 I've also found that games also teach me the crime system very well, as for example Skyrim taught me that if you commit a single crime, everyone will instantly know and attempt to murder you
And according to Grand Theft Auto, police will give up their search for criminals after only a minute of not directly seeing them.
@@winterlarsime9938 and I love war genres because always make it about WW2 and not WW1 because why humanize the German soldiers when you can just make them pure evil nazis who have no emotion.
This series NEEDS more views.
Do one on pregnancy stories, I think like, a 1/4 of them has the mother and/or child die for drama reasons.
A rule of soap operas: Every pregnancy has birth complications. NO EXCEPTIONS.
If the mother or child does not die, the father will. Or someone doesn't approve of the child's father or the having of the child (if they're in high school or something). You need to shoehorn bitterness into a traditionally happy thing somehow.
Kill the parents, but stretch it out over a really long amount of time in order to make your readers feel sorry for the baby, who, in the end, is brought to the orphanage to tell their new friends their sob story. Proceed to write a sequel where the surviving child finds out they had a long lost sibling who's a black-belt in karate and valedictorian in the advanced class of their fancy ivy league college
You forgot that one of the Soldiers ALLWAYS has to have an Accent like Irish or Scotish.
Captain America's Howling Commandos did not have a Scottish or Irish-accented guy on the team. They had a French guy! But Wonder Woman's squad did have a Scotsman.
Thank you for pointing out the atrocity known as the Pearl Harbor movie! (At least when I came out of the theater pissed off, my Dad introduced me to Tora Tora Tora.)
when i was younger i tried to write war stories. at least i didn't have a love triangle
Me too lol. When I was like in 4th grade I tried making a WW2 story. Glad it only had beginning. Itd be pretty cringe.
The protag was a 16yo whose parents died from a black death. I remember these 2 facts and its enough. I know this story would turn cringe.
@@updog9567 that could work if you set it in China and he takes up arms against the Japanese. The IJA was no stranger to just releasing bioweapons on Chinese civilians.
@@surprisedchar2458 yeah but back then i knew sheet about WW2. I still dont know as much as I would like to so I have to educate myself, but lots of history books are boring and even if they arent it still doesnt feel as nice as reading idk warrior cats. I wish there was a manga or action/spy oriented book that would tell a historically accurate story with the construction of well, as I mentioned earlier, action novel. About WW2 i mean.
I have read a book like that once, historical about the false accusation of Dreyfus, written by Robert Harris, officer and spy or something like that, I recommend it lol.
I once wrote a Vietnam war story when I was like 11 for something in class. The teacher liked it alot apparently. I just recently dug it up and I still think I did pretty well for an 11 year old. (with some cringey exceptions of course). I remember when I portrayed the medic as the sadistic kind.
Don't forget to play "It ain't me" at the beginning of your Vietnam War story.
The Selena Gomez song.
It's called "Fortunate Son", you dingus
*I AIN'T NO FORTUNATE SOOON, NO,*
@@TrashGoblin824 dingus, you dungis
@meatiest *IT AINT ME*
How to make a good war novel:
Actually go through scenes that show changes to the characters as they face things they CANT overcome.
I’m currently writing a fictional vet’s post war and pre-war story and boy I am glad I didn’t go down the action route. Love these advices! :D
"What's wrong with your eyes?"
"War does terrible things to people"
I'd love to see one of these on asylums and the mentally ill. Can't stand horror stories using that easy and inaccurate out.
Adam McLeod I want to see a video about mental illnesses and disabilities in general.
As someone with ADHD, I've once sighed extremely loud when I read a story involving something along the lines of-
Char 1: "...Wow! You're an excelent fencer!"
Char 2: "Yeah well, I mean, my ADHD makes me more able to process thinks *really* quick, especially fast-paced stuff like fighting, but I can't really concentrate hard with stuff like homework because of it."
Me: *rolls eyes in Spanish*
ADHD or Attention Deficit just means you have a shit attention span. It's not autism.
D MAS
THANK YOU.
There's a line between bad writing and the use of poetic license, noone wants to read about CBT in a horror story.
Better make the medic the sadist.
Don't be a baby, ribs grow back!
"And that's how i lost my medical license!"
(At this moment the heavy knew, he went to the wrong doctor)
And the concentration camp leader a good guy... or is that illegal?
Hitler did it. His name was Mengele.
By the way, what is it that modern military personnel no longer get cool nicknames such as 'Angel of Death'?
Team Fortress 2?
Love triangles... love triangles never change...
4:3 Pictures you stole my meme.....
Hours ago...
YOU TIME TRAVELING MEME STEALER
I love how the image at 4:02 is accurate. I couldn't read whatever he was saying until I actually paused the video.
Wait... shipping in a war story? But you said to ignore logistics!
This was really funny yet helpful. Now I know what to avoid!
Well then you can please tell me what you learned because I am having trouble translating the bad advice into good advice.
I love how this story can't even stand as a book. it _needs_ the eye candy explosions and camera shakes to work even this badly.
Someone: *kills medic*
Me: Wait, that's actually illegal.
Fun fact: Medics in Vietnam didn't have a red cross on their helmet because they are usually what the Vietcong would shoot first.
No, killing a member of a pacifist organization like the Red Cross is illegal (and even 1st world soldiers shoot them all the time.) Anybody who takes up arms, including many medics, are soldiers and legitimate targets.
I'm here for when ww3 ends and i get out of the military, so i can write a book about it.
And I will buy it, no matter how good or bad it is, because TP will be scarce. 10caps sound like a fair trade? (Barter skill 3).
@@joshuabessire9169 (Barter 30) 10 caps sounds a little low for someone with a family to feed. How does 20 sound?
@@duck1351 [terrifying presence] How about you give me that book, or else...
Next up: How to write a Cancer story
(The ones with unrealistic sicknesses)
Pftt, war story with a love tri.... oh... Oh no.
Noah Boddie
Does Han/Luke/Leia count? Or Arwen/Eowyn/Aragorn? Definitely the Legolas/ElfGirl/PrettyDwarf triangle from the Hobbit movies.
And I guess you could make a love triangle in the Mass Effect games, if you want.
lnsflare1 Dear god it's worse than I thought...
Furthermore:
Jack, Will and Elisabeth
Tsu'tey, Neytiri and Sully
Gale, Katniss and Peeta
And my personal favourite:
Harry Potter and the love dodecahedron
The Legolas/Tauriel/Kili one only happened in the movie, because Tauriel didn't exist in the book. The Arwen/Eowyn/Aragorn one was grossly over-exaggerated in the movies, and barely present in the books. So not bad book tropes, but *definitely* bad screenplay tropes.
debaiona Oh, definitely; I brought them up because Pearl Harbor was the example in the video.
Everyone knows that the book Love Triangles were Frodo/Ring/Boromir, Frodo/Samwise/Smeagol, Frodo/Precious/Gollum, and Frodo/Smeagol/Gollum. Also Smaug/Arkenstone/Thorin and Bilbo/Precious/Gollum.
Actually, the veteran having stubble is accurate bc people who have been through combat stop caring about being inspection ready.
makes sense, is kind of bullshit
"Be sure to have a loud drill instructor who will steal the show."
Lel. (At 1:25. Turn on subtitles to see.)
I will base my characters on parts of my personality:
1. Nico, leader and good at tactics
2. Lucky, the bad joke guy
3. Jock, protective towards friends
4. Larry, the aggressive man
5. Sasha, the suspicious and paranoid one
Remember not to put a single second of research into how soldiers actually talk and act
Also, any actual tactic is unnecessary as long as it looks cool
Remember, EVERY soldier is a philosopher. It doesn't matter if he's in the middle of battle and he's dodging death at every turn. Ignore the fact he's a twenty year old male who probably hasn't picked up a book since highschool, and only cares about sex and shooting. Ignore the fact that a paragraph discussing the ethics of combat will slow down your narrative
Actually, he probably doesn't care about shooting either. I mean, if you're talking WW2 or sooner, when we didn't know that drafting people against their will to fight in armies, meant they weren't actually shooting AT the enemy... just in their general direction. That is, until we brainwashed them to be good little soldiers and shoot everything that moves without ANY thought.
Just about every soldier IS a philosopher. The majority of war is sitting around being bored out of your mind with the same group of guys for months on end. The conversations can go to some very odd places, besides the standard soda/pop arguments (for the record, it's called soda) and debating whether fucking a stepsister counts as incest.
I vote we compromise and call it soda pop
It's soft drink you heathens!
You mean chilled fizz water?
My favorite thing is when authors try to make the story tense and end up making tender homoerotic cinema
That's like, every military irl
I'm working on a novel of my own, and your videos actually help me flesh out the world and characters. Of course, I understand your heavy sarcasm, actually listening to your advice would make an awful book.
You missed the "one short moment over a meal or around fire we all use to humanize the squad and have them actually exchange words like actual humans would, to show that they ARE in this together as friends who all hate war and what it did to them and how they will do better after the war, and what they will do (but will be killed for more sadness)"
"If there's one thing fandoms take almost as seriously as war, its shipping"
That's actually true
you should write a war story on a shipping war!
and make Greg Farshtey the hero who saves the world, by making all the ships not canon XD
Not to mention that winners write history, so research will be more biased than it should.
From at least the 1900s, they were well documented by both sides, so that isn't too much of a problem nowadays as long as you don't
you know
read literal propaganda
History is not written by the victors, it’s written by historians.
@@xxfrosty609xx3 I don't think Nazi historians wrote about WW2 in hindsight...
@@JohnsonTheSecond Almost all western literature about the eastern front was written by former Wehrmacht and SS "historians". Only recently did Soviet sources began to be translated.
@@andro7862 Sure, of course, only now we began reading them, I'm 100% sure that they had no impact on perception before now. And you're really showing how unbiased you are calling them ""historians"", anyway, I said in hindsight.
2:29 Hanks played a captain in Saving Private Ryan, who's usually the most senior officer expected to be actually fighting. Same with Damien Lewis in Band of Brothers (portraying Richard Winters, lieutenant promoted to captain, but was pulled off the battlefield when he was made a major).
Even John Wayne and Mel Gibson, who were cast as colonels (Benjamin Vandervoort and Harold Moore, respectively) were playing senior officers known to have fought on the front lines (Vandervoort was seriously wounded in Belgium and Moore recounted in his book "We Were Soldiers And Young" that he briefly was forced to fight in the Battle of Ia Drang).
Okay. I'm writing a war story and by now I have everything done in a different way:
-I actually researched the type of combat and the battles going on.
-There is no 'boot scene': at the most (in the first chapter) the protagonist only meets four men of his regiment and learns that a school friend of him is at the unit.
-Most soldiers are conscripts.
-I have three "veteran" guys: one is inferior in range to the protagonist, the other two are officers with one having a sort of mentor role (and good officer role), and the other is a partner being not a psychopath, but being addicted to hard emotions.
-Most the officers aren't incompetent.
Also, commanding from the front can be useful for morale purposes if the officer leads a unit smaller than a division. It isn't so rare trough history, and many good leaders did that.
This sounds like the CoD WW2 campaign
that is exactly what i was thinking
"If there's something fandoms take as seriously as war, it's shipping." I know that was a pun, but you pulled it off so well.
"No genre is safe from the love triangle!" This is an unfortunate and harsh truth.
2:39 Saving Private Ryan has that type of character but he didnt die. I actually was worried for him because the most innocent character usually gets killed for feels, but he actually survived the film
*But they make even better drink coasters!*
Died
It is also required to include at least one scene where the tank of a flamethrower is shot and erupts into flames engulfing the user and several men surrounding him despite the fact that it is incredibly unlikely that a real flamethrower would do this, even when shot.
I did everything in this video, why am I not a published author yet?
Holy shit that "Martial the tropes" line was way too good.
Ah yes the “walks into the machine gunfire without any fear in a damn open field-type” enemy soldiers
My WWII veteran uncle and mom's Vietnam veteran boyfriend both witnessed gay love triangles in the barracks at night, lol!
When he mentioned love triangles in war stories, the first thing that came to mind was Pearl Harbour. On the money!
Do superhero tropes next!
Heck yes!
George Zhang If he were to do that the video should be at least ten minutes
Ya know. One could write a story about a squad inside a trench or foxhole while war is heard off in the distance but don’t make it to them till the third act. Just keep the tension building with the characters getting more nervous or excited while new reports come in of enemy movement then “surprise attack.” And shit hits the fan
"Yeah, we will." ~ History Nerds
So according to this channel, love triangles must be a thing in every story, or else it will suck...
Or that shoe-horning in a love triangle where it doesn't fit is what makes a story suck.
This seems like a love triangle between a story, the bad boy triangle, and the sweet and gentle not-triangle! Whose Story gonna end up with! Read to find out~
Normally I just smile when I see the love triangle reference, but this time I laughed aloud, that was great.