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@ Sorry, I may have been thinking of the second video. Not complaining so much as saying I normally don't have that kind of free time to watch. My cutoff is probably around 30 mins :)
Yea unfortunately the hours long videos lose my attention. I realize it's a lot of work to make these videos but you have to be brutal with cutting footage. Shooting underwater I might shoot and hour of footage and use five minutes.
We definitely needed more of your humor in the outofspec series. I was disappointed they used so little of you. Maybe in the future they'd put you in an EV.
The Model 3 LR RWD is the best deal in town. It comes fully equipped (ventilated/heated memory seats, 8-camera surround view, best-in-class software, folding mirrors, dashcam, phone as key, etc.) for the same price as the bare-bones Ioniq 6 SE, and the Tesla is more efficient. People don’t just want an EV; they want a Tesla. 2024 Tesla Model 3 RWD LR (18'') Efficiency (mi/kWh): 4.9 2024 Hyundai IONIQ 6 SE (18'') Efficiency (mi/kWh): 4.3 2025 Lucid Air Grand Touring (19'') Efficiency (mi/kWh): 4.3
@@Gjeebs So Gjeebs, just how much time did you waste to answer the Luddites on the main videos claiming that you guys spent hours upon hours just fooling around before getting serious?
We did a drive down the west coast with a MY long range, and there we didn't even feel the difference vs our last gas car. Thats because there is an abundance of v3/4 chargers AND we typically stop to eat every 5-6 hours, so roughly every other charge. There was still a difference I'm sure, but for the one time a year we do it, its a tiny price to pay.
Many thanks for this video, it was an interesting test. Just judging on the time metric is not enough. I would have liked to see a cost comparison between gas and electric charging and between the various EV's. Also assuming that all EV's set off with 100% full batteries how many stops did each make. maybe you can make a follow up video with this data.
This video was interesting. It told me four things. 1. If you want to make the best time in an EV you can only eat or to go the bathroom at charging stops. 2. That there is a huge difference in the "road trip" ability of different EV's. 3. That the Price of an EV isn't reflective of its ease of use and "road trip" ability. 4. Doing a cross country trip in an EV requires a lot of planning in order to optimize the trip Contrast that with ICE cars. If you raced a Nissan Versa, a Honda Accord, a Porsche 911, and a Chevy Tahoe in the same "race" with the same speed limitations they would probably all finish within an hour of each other. The difference would be luck with traffic, who had to pee more often, and who had to sit in line longest in fast food drive thru. Those in the Tahoe would have been the most comfortable but either the Versa or Accord would have been the cheapest on gas. They need to do this "race" again in 5 years. Hopefully by then, most EV's will have efficiency better than the Model 3, charge better than the Porsche, and range similar to the Lucid. If you could charge for less than 15 minutes and get a legit 400 miles of range then the "road trip" argument against EV's would be over. Also, the "I live in an apartment and don't have the ability to charge at home (or work)" argument would be over. At that point being an EV or ICE wouldn't matter. The decision on which car to buy would come down to price, comfort, style, needs, and reliability. Until then, people who do a lot of long trips and those who can't "plug in at night" have legitimate reasons to stick with ICE/Hybrid vehicles. 1. Price. A well equipment Ionic 6 is going to be over $40,000 while a well equipped Sonata is closer to $30,000. You can buy a lot of gas and oil for $10,000 2. Road Tripping. Having to plan around charging stops and taking longer for your trip, having to book hotels with charging stations, looking for restaurants with "free" charging while you eat and so forth. All things you don't have to consider in an ICE/Hybrid vehicle. 3. Using fast charging exclusively takes longer, requires more "stops", and cost about the same (or more) than gas. If I had to pick a car right now it would be between a 2025 Camry Hybrid and the Model 3 RWD LR.
That's all fair for the road trips. I think for consideration of buying a car though, you also have to think of the other 50 or 51 weeks of the year. If you can charge at home you never have to go out of your way to get gas. You wake up and have a car at 80% which is 200 miles range which is enough for 355 days of the year. You don't have to stop for gas on the way to or from work/grocery store/bowling league, etc. Your week to week is that much better. This is also obviously the extreme end of the road trip. My MIL lives 8 hours away. That's a more normal weekend trip, or the types of trips people are doing a few times per year. With an EV it's two charging stops for 20 minutes or so. On that trip even in a gas car the last time we did it we stopped three times for bathroom breaks and food, including once for gas. Basically any of the newer EVs in this race would do it within a half hour or so of a gas car. A trip home to where I grew up is about 20 hours, that's a less than once per year type of trip, and I think an EV would still only add a couple hours over gas. Also, what they're doing for the race is way overdoing it. Any normal person on a normal road trip is putting the destination into the nav in the car or a route planner app on their phone, typing in arrive at charger at 10% minimum and charge to 80% maximum, and then just following the map. You don't actually need to break out calculators because you're trying to optimize every last second of a 48 hour non-stop road trip. So which would you rather have: never having to worry about gas for 95% of your days, or having to do a tiny bit of planning on the handful of long trips you'll take over the course of a few years?
@@thatissomeBS My post is specifically about people who can't "Plug it at night". The benefits from an EV are predicated on having home charging. If someone lives in an apartment, college dorm, town home, or rents a home (and their landlord will not pay to have a level 2 charger installed) and they don't have access to a level 2 charger then the major benefit of owning an EV goes away. The price between fast charging and gas is negligible and in some cases more expensive. The range of an EV is less than an ICE/Hybrid vehicle, so you would have to charge more often than get gas, and every time you charge it will take 30-45 minutes (or more) as opposed to 5 minutes at a gas station. There are millions of people in that situation. All these youtube channels talking about how much cheaper it is to on an EV seem to forget that fact. EV's are cheaper to operate and more convenient for middle/upper class homeowners. For everyone else, not so much.
@@lanmansvideos _The benefits from an EV are predicated on having home charging. If someone lives in an apartment, college dorm, town home, or rents a home (and their landlord will not pay to have a level 2 charger installed) and they don't have access to a level 2 charger then the major benefit of owning an EV goes away._ I agree, that the ability to charge at home is definitely one of the bigger benefits. However, I would argue that the benefits of owning an EV are multiple and charging at home is just one aspect. And while yes, you may not be able to install a dedicated level 2 charger in every scenario you described, keep in mind that level 1 charging still exists. When I first got my EV, I did not immediately start with level 2 charging at home (I was unprepared). I started with level 1 charging from a standard 120v outlet. Was it slow? Absolutely. Did it cover my needs? Yes. I drive an average of anywhere between 60 and 75 miles a day (sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less). And with level 1 charging, it would take the entire night (8+ hours) to charge back to 80%. But I was still able to charge, and this was from a 2nd story apartment. Later on I installed a level 2 charger, and that meant I would recover that distance in +/- 2 hours. But the level 2 charger I installed is just a switch box hooked into my dryer outlet with an extension cord down to the charger itself. _The price between fast charging and gas is negligible and in some cases more expensive. The range of an EV is less than an ICE/Hybrid vehicle, so you would have to charge more often than get gas, and every time you charge it will take 30-45 minutes (or more) as opposed to 5 minutes at a gas station._ This is all highly dependent on what your previous vehicle was, and what we are comparing it to. As an example, I previously drove a 2021 Acura RDX (21 MPG city 27 MPG highway). That car had a tank that would only last me about 1 week until it was empty. And at the least expensive gas prices I could get, it would still cost me an average of $45 to $50 per week to fill up with regular gas. In contrast, when I swapped to my Model 3 just this year, and I went on my first supercharger run, it cost me about $20 to $25 to charge from around 7% to 100%. So even at the worst prices, that would mean a savings of 50% at minimum. Now, I understand that this is MY case, and not everyone will experience that. However, my point still stands. It is highly dependent where you live, what you drove previously, and what your driving consists of. _There are millions of people in that situation. All these youtube channels talking about how much cheaper it is to on an EV seem to forget that fact. EVs are cheaper to operate and more convenient for middle/upper class homeowners. For everyone else, not so much._ Lastly, I'd like to just say that I am far from even middle class. I work for $21 an hour as a teacher in a private school. This means I don't get paid on a lot of holidays or weeks when there is no school. Yet, I purchased an EV full well knowing that I would be saving money compared to my last vehicle. The fact is that EVs work for a lot more people than you think. And the real only reason that there isn't more wide adoption is because of all the misinformation, general lack of knowledge, and not everyone has even so much as tried it, or looked into how it would fit into their lives.
@@ProXcaliber I agree that if you compare a comparably a priced EV with a gas car (that is only a couple grand less) then, long term, there are savings if you don't have to rely on public fast charging. I actually looked at getting my son an EV when he went off to college. Then I got on plugshare and realized that there was only 4 level 2 chargers (at car dealership) and no fast chargers in his rural college town. There wasn't even an EA station at Walmart. Even the university didn't have any public chargers. I ended getting him a used Honda Civic for way less than any EV I could find. This was back when Chevy Bolts had the battery recall and the town was to far away for a Nissan Leaf to make it to on a single charge. I'm not anti-EV. But other than the reduced cost from home charging I just don't see any financial benefit. Especially compared to high efficiency hybrid or even a high MPG ICE vehicle. The 2025 Camry's are all hybrids, get 50 mpg, and have a range of over 500 miles on a single tank of gas. You can get the base trim for $30,000. Now you can say that EV's are faster and more fun to drive and are "cooler" vehicles. And I"m sure that is true. But that is not the "financial" argument. I think EV adoption will take off when: 1. The price is similar to that of a hybrid. Typically a hybrid is around $3,000 more than the ICE version of the same vehicle. For instance, when the EV Chevy Equinox is only $3,000 more than the ICE version for the same trim level then it will sell faster. As long as the EV version is 5-10 grand more than the ICE version then people will keep buying the ICE version. You can buy a lot of gas and oil with 10 grand. 2. The vehicle has the same range as a similar ICE/Hybrid vehicle and charge faster. This doesn't matter as much for people who have home charging but for the millions who don't have home charging then this is a big deal. It would mean fewer and shorter trips to fast charging stations. 3. More public fast charging becomes available and is in more strategic locations. Public charging needs to be placed next to areas with a high concentration of apartments/dorms and such. Right now, most fast charging stations are near interstates or in major cities. If I were rich I would start opening coffee shops with fast charging stations in college towns. College students love coffee and tend to be more EV friendly than your average person. 4. EV's get a reputation for being reliable and long lasting. Toyota's are boring cars. But people buy a Toyota with the expectation that they will last 15 years with no major issues. While that is not always the case, Toyota has built a reputation that makes people think it is possible. Most everyone at least knows someone with a 15 year old Toyota that is still going strong. Once people at least know someone with an EV that is 15 years old and still going strong then adaption will greatly increase. Until at least some of those things happen then EV's will be purchased by the following: Environmentalist who think they are saving the planet Commuter cars for suburban homeowners Tech enthusiast who like to be early adopters and beta testers Car enthusiast who like to go 0-6 in under 3 seconds and have instant torque. Rich people (or people in huge debt) who like to drive something unique. My guess is that you, and most EV owners, fall into one of those categories.
@@pw1187 I think gas is by far cheaper for traveling cross country but when home charging with home electric electricity rates, obviously electric is cheaper than but with the amount of time I travel cross country electric car fits me perfectly
@@pw1187your guess is wrong. They were about on par average. But EVs are much cheaper at home. Tesla in this “race” should have been cheaper due to more or less standard rates on Superchargers. While other vehicles may be the same or higher then petrol due to inflated prices on EA or other networks.
I did a quick check using ABRP. Seattle to Boston in a Model S Plaid states it would be $470ish. That Model 3 would probably be a tad cheaper. The Type S states it does 25mpg on the HWY. I used fueleconomy.gov to give me a trip price and it stated $500ish for only 3% city driving.
I did a quick check using ABRP. Seattle to Boston in a Model S Plaid states it would be $470ish. That Model 3 would probably be a tad cheaper. The Type S states it does 25mpg on the HWY. I used fueleconomy.gov to give me a trip price and it stated $500ish for only 3% city driving.
It is 12 years old with 120000 miles on it. You know how much battery technology has changed in the last decade? It is exciting to think what battery technology will be like in 2034.
@@ericgregoriyea it's crazy how much this has advanced in 10 years. From nearly a day behind to 2 hours behind. Wild progress. 10 years is a blink of the eye in the auto industry (but an eternity in tech). Exciting to see how far EVs have come so quickly
Dave Conner ran out of charge on two other challenges driving the F-150 Lightning. Some pointed comments were heaped on the big Ford for causing the driver to spark out. But now, the truth has been revealed! 😵
Greetings from Wisconsin, and nice summary video (I immediately recognized the Mississippi River portion you guys filmed)! I wonder how the Teslas would've done had there been V3 or V4 superchargers available in Wyoming and South Dakota. I see they added another Supercharger station in Gillette, WY, and have plans for another in Buffalo, but they definitely need new ones in South Dakota. I love how far EV and especially the charging infrastructure has come along in the past 10 years or so. We still have a ways to go in many places, but it's always exciting to see new Superchargers going up, and Tesla just announced the V4s with actual V4 cabinets doing 500 kW on Cybertrucks. Keep an eye out for that, especially in Quartzite where those huge amounts of Superchargers are at.
You guys should have made note of how long your fueling stops took along with the cost. They take a lot longer than 5 minutes, as most people quote. It was a fun video 😊. Nice bright white teeth and smile too.
5 seconds with filling fossil Dino juice to be burned and poisoned the air. And 5 hours for every 100 miles in the electric cars using a garage outlet.
I charged my 2022 TM3LR at a supercharger for the first time. Had about 6% in the battery when I plugged in, the battery was not preconditioned, it was about 45°. I did not know since I always charge at home. In just 9 min, the length of a youtube video, autoline daily, my car gained 160 miles. More than enough. Went from 6% and 36 miles left before the 20 miles after zero emergency range up to 196 miles at 59%. I was surprised.
@davidbeppler3032 Hi, very true. I have a DMLRY and love to do very long road trips. I also have the CCS1 adapter to Tesla, and it comes in handy in small towns and off-road planes. Have fun and be safe.
The big take away for me here is: 1. Lucid Air - Huge battery doesn't mean you can travel long distances faster - dependencies on infrastructure (and compatibility) still apply. 2. Legacy Model S 85 - 20hrs behind the gas car and 16hrs behind the new Model 3 LR RWD - this is really telling of how far the car's technology has come along in terms of battery pack and it's ability to charge with this one unable to hit V3 supercharger speeds and inability to use CCS1 with an adapter. 3. Porsche Taycan - Showing you that if you want to go faster (charging), you can do it! 4. Everyone has to use the bathroom and it's not always going to be when and where you want to fill your fuel tank / charge your battery. 5. Tesla Model 3 LR RWD - One of the cheapest, but newest cars here was able to come in the top 3 of 10 vehicles. So you don't need to break the bank just to travel fast and not everyone needs AWD, so this is a great option for many people, except if you live where there's a lot of snow and want the best traction all the time. Great summary, Gjeebs! I'm a huge fan of OOS but their videos are like 3hrs long each and it will take some time for me to get through them all. I look forward to seeing the OOS, although, admittedly, I will likely skip through alot of it to the more interesting parts. Thanks for sharing your experience from the gas car. Did you play any golf? Hey, Kyle should have included the eGolf on this trip. Whoever drove that would probably have taken 6days.
So the Teslas took only 10% more time than the gas Acura over 3000 mile race? Geez it is win for Tesla! Range of the model 3 is practically never an issue for Tesla commuters who get to smile as they ignore gas stations and simply plug-in at night....perfect! It charges while you sleep with inexpensive electricity.
Yea that was impressive and the Taycan blew my mind. Most people aren't driving this distance so it's very extreme but gives you a good picture of how charging will affect your time.
@@ProXcaliber Yeah I kinda garbled that last sentence. The point was that maybe we won't get the charging infrastructure in place in five years because felon Donnie is a complete fool who is clueless about so many things one of the key ones being hatred for clean energy. Too many fool followers voted for him so here we are facing years of idiocy and damage.
Consider the legal reasons for filming TH-cam videos - especially when MKBHD recently went 95 in a 35 zone (dumbass). 10 over isn't so bad, plus there's a less likelihood to get pulled over or arrested for reckless driving. I also go about 10 over when roadtripping, so their race is on par with my driving anyway.
Charging infrastructure plays a pivotal role in the adoption of electric vehicles. A robust and widespread network is essential for long journeys and reducing range anxiety. I thought Tesla would have come in 2nd. Surprisingly, Taycan did better!
The Teslas' issue wasn't charger availability, it was the fact that the Taycan holds a faster charge for longer than the Tesla. That Taycan is super sweet, and if I could afford one, I would definitely get it.
This is proof there is no need to worry about range or how long it takes to charge. It’s a non issue. They are just pee stops. The average charge is 15-30 minutes and then you’re good to go! Gas cars suck. That Acura is a great car 10 years ago. Now it’s not even close. Wait until we have chargers more prevalent than gas stations. You will be able to charge anywhere.
Loved this challenge, watched on out of spec motoring…I own a model Y LR but still use my CX5 for road trips between Seattle and Phoenix even though Tesla charging and hotel charging infrastructure is good…but just as you say it’s a no brainer with a gas car
I have been driving since 1996, and the two longest trips I did were 1200miles and 2000miles. In 28 yrs. I can sacrifice a couple of hours every decade. Most my other day trips are about 700milee, easy peasy in the model 3 Long range RWD.
I’d expected the gas car to be 5-6 hours ahead. Seems that Acura has a tiny tank which probably led to and extra gas stop. Would love to see the total charging time and how many stops each car actually made. Pretty incredible for the Porsche. Now can that tech make its away into a car 1/3 the price
I think the limiting factor is the 48v system along with the 800v drivetrain. This allows the car to charge at higher power outputs 350kW instead of 250kW (and soon according to Tesla 500kW for the CT), and keep a lower temperature for longer. The lower temperature helps since it means that the car can hold the higher charge speed for much longer.
I don't think the size of tank matters much. Even if they stopped one extra time, what does it matter? They made more stops to pee than for gas as is. Same will probably be true for most road trips. And.. I mean.. It's definitely not taycan level, but the model 3 is maybe the cheapest car in the lineup and was only 4 hours behind - less than 10% diff. So it's definitely doable. Especially when you remember that Taycan can't even use tesla chargers.
Those of Us retires driving 10 miles/Day buy what We enjoy.......AND driving a smooth, powerfull, quiet EV pleases Me more than anything that makes noise or vibrates..............Paul
You can't beat electric for not effing up the world. Convenience is a religion to too many Americans. It will be the undoing. Life is not really about getting there fast.
@cre8tvedge I'm Canadian. My comment is more about why a test like this will lean in one direction. In the real world, folks aren't attempting a race and do care about how much they're spending to fill up.
By the way bigred you just tacitly admitted that ICE vehicles do that. You cannot make a case for ICE by admitting their a problem. Way beyond any EV manufacturing or FF sources for charging.
There was one stat that no one gave. How much $$ did everyone have to use to get across the country? Gas may have been faster, but it might have cost the most.
Still would like to know the $$ numbers. In the case of the Acura vs the Tesla Model 3 as I would put those in a similar category. Come on let us know. There was 4 hours of time saved now how much money. You know the saying time is money!!!
@@grmonte69 When you realize that normal rather than cannonball driving makes the trip four to five days the handful of hours saved is not much and with equal charging stations to gas stations a big fat zero. As they said the Taycan or M3 may win with highest speed chargers.
3000 miles at 75mph is 37.5 hours. a 20 minute stop for gas and food every 400 miles is another 2.5 hours. So 40 hours for the trip. For those not "racing" that is 3 13 hour days for ICE compared to 3 15 hour days for an EV. Gas for that trip would be less than $300 for my wife's car. Which cost enough less than any of the EVs to make the investment income from the savings pay for the gas. I would to have an EV, but the cost in dollars and time is too much to pay.
Dave and team dropped the ball with Lucid. They made the Lucid look bad by skipping a charger while having a low soc. And they tried to blame the car. That's messed up.
Nah, the car's BMS screwed them. The car was essentially showing the buffer in the available charge state, Dave and the guys had no way of knowing this until it was too late. If you have plenty of data that says the car will go X miles beyond the 0% point and the car then dies AT 0% that is on the car. Lucid's poor BMS and software let the car down not Dave and the guys.
@@s3cr3tsqrl64 you can't say this nonsense with a straight face. You can't be agnostic to the buffer until the last minute to begin with. Any experienced Ev owner knows how to handle buffer overestimation, you slow down until you make it to the next charger and you don't Skip a charger when your soc is low. They drove that Lucid like amateurs. There's no excuse for it. How do you justify the car with the highest range was the one that got towed? Something ain't right.
The truth no one here wants to hear is that if the ICE car was for example a 520d the difference to the taycan would probably be much more than 10h considering it can do 620 miles on one tank. Evs are not there yet and still have a long long way to go if they actually get there one day which is unlikely
Definitely not unlikely, it will just take a few more years for battery tech and charging speeds to be in parity with gas cars. Plus, no one is doing a 3,000 mile trip in one go.
@ Well I think it’s unlikely because this phase of EVs will get to an end sooner than you think, there is a place for EVs in the world especially in cities, but for big trips diesel cars are still the benchmark and with the introduction of biofuels I even think Tesla will be manufacturing an ICE vehicle in the next decade.
@@vascomagalhaes23 Biofuels are going nowhere, because it relies on the same principles as the fuel we already use and is still harmful. If anything, a point could be made for hydrogen for applications like heavy hauling or larger commercial vehicles. But in the end, the only things really holding EVs back is charge speed and charger availability. If there was a charging location at every corner like there are gas stations and even the cheapest EVs could charge in 10 minutes or less, no one would argue against it.
@ mate realistically anything is “harmful”, where do you think the power to power public chargers come from? Plus what do you do with old EV batteries? Biofuels are being developed by F1 teams which have brought so many new technologies in to the regular car industry and this will be another one. Also because gas cars will never stop existing or being produced especially in countries like Germany Italy and so on. The problem with hydrogen is its distribution at the moment, maybe it will be a viable option one day idk. At the end of the day there will always be gas cars, diesels, EVs and in the future more fuel types will come the more the better
@@vascomagalhaes23 I understand where the energy comes from. But think about it logically. The gas, diesel, or biofuel cars still require energy to make that fuel, or even to transport it and get into the tank of whatever needs to use it. However, the plant (coal, solar, hydro, natural gas, etc.) are all much more efficient than your average gas, diesel, or biofuel car. This means that not only is your gas, diesel, or biofuel car producing its own harmful emissions, but it's compounding with the plant that produces the energy to provide you with that fuel. Meanwhile, electric and hydrogen both eliminate at least 1 part of those emissions, which is at the tailpipe. It is also a much more efficient use of the energy as well. The positive is that it can also continue to become cleaner, as power grids slowly keep becoming cleaner as well. As a side note, think about the efficiency of energy use. Your average EV, that can travel around 300+ miles, is doing that with what would be the equivalent of 2 to 3 gallons of gasoline or diesel. And that is thanks to the fact that the EV drivetrain is often +90% efficient in how it uses its energy. Like I said previously, the main thing holding EVs back is charge times, and charging availability. Energy density in batteries, while nice, is not technically necessary. How frequently do you think most people really would drive 600+ miles? And even if an EV did have that kind of range, what difference would it make when the “fuel station” is right at your home or just down the street.
If you needed an oil change, which is not unlikely on a 3000 mile trip, that would have made the gap even closer. Also, in the real world, a trip like this would include 2 or more overnight stays at hotels where the EV could charge and avoid charging stops. In that case, the Taycan may have won and the Model 3 would have been close. Crazy to think that EVs could potentially compete with gas on a trip like this.
@ I haven’t had a gas car in over ten years so I don’t know the latest trend. Also, who says the oil was changed right before the trip? Maybe the oil already had 4,000 miles on it.
You should have installed a Comma 3X for OpenPilot. It would have made your trip safer, less stressful, and far more enjoyable. It would be a good chance to showcase the open source version of Autopilot too.
Thank goodness you summarized this rather than Kyle who rambles on for hours!!! Just look how long EV Dave consumed in your video. Apple fell close to tree with those fellas.
@@Flpnout Not wrong, but most people also aren't taking 3,000 mile road trips and taking shifts between 3 drivers to stay on the road for a full 40+ hours. Most people would be hard-pressed to even do a 1,000 mile road trip without stopping for at least 1 night. And for me personally, part of the fun in a road trip is the journey, not just the destination.
They all knew the gas car would win. The question is, by how far and much time? EV critics probably assume the trip would've taken a long time like it did for the 2012 Model S, which didn't get to Boston until early the next day, I think like around 5:30AM or so. Or that you have to stop and charge for 4 hours for every 2-3 hours of driving. Yet the latest Model 3 Long Range Rear-Wheel Drive was only 4 hours behind the TLX. Can't wait to see what the V4 Superchargers will do when enough of them are built and EVs that can do 350 kW speeds utilize them.
I enjoyed this video along with the Out of Spec ones, but they definitely ran on the long side. Still, it was nice to see how modern EVs are doing compared to the old school Model S that arrived the next day. What a difference 12 years made in terms of EVs and charging infrastructure.
Next do the race using the same amount of fuel/energy. Every car starts with and can only hold the same amount of energy. The gas car gets 3.5 gallons of regular. The Tesla Model 3 gets a 100% charge. The Lucid gets a 70% charge.... ect. Go!
This doesn't say anything about anything EVs are better vehicles for most people but most will never know it because of propaganda, misinformation and disinformation Your ice vehicle will also win the race to the repair shop
Couple of observations. First, Kyle is a control freak and a jackass. Second, with the ever increasing prices for Super charging and CCS charging price comparisons are now a vital piece of the puzzle. When Super charging was 22 cents per Kwh, electric vehicles had a distinct fuel cost advantage. In just 4 years, those prices have more than doubled. I think, but am uncertain, that it is actually cheaper to take these trips in a gas car, now. Would be nice if anyone on this trip could provide a cost breakdown comparison on fuel.
No stops for sleeping and 3 drivers per car. Not a realistic 'real world' test for most as the EV will be charging for overnight stops. I guess some people might drive in shifts in the USA like this.
@@lemongavine Our family is planning a trip this December from South Florida to Colorado. Our plan is to make multiple stops to visit different areas in different states, but overall we plan on making at least 2 overnight hotel stays.
Kyle is a jerk sometimes. Don’t take his crap. He stops to go to the bathroom, eat, etc just like everyone else and feels entitled to criticize others.
Oof. Clickbait for those who have a predetermined desired outcome. It’s reasonably close when it comes to time on road trips, at least for me. I usually take 25% longer in my BEVs. That’s not the point though. It’s so much of a better overall ownership experience to own an EV, that I don’t care about road trip times. There is more to other than speed.
Yeah drive the Rivian. Happy to see the comparison but praising gas for a few hours of difference in the time is just glorification of convenience over protection of the environment (both warming and direct pollutants). The hidden message is that most of the time difference is due to charging infrastructure. Given that any trip other than leisure across the country is simply an extreme outlier. So again drive the Rivian.
The reality is, that until EVs can match that level of convenience, we won't be able to get everyone to switch. You will be able to convince most people that don't do these kinds of trips often, but for the rest, it will take something like this to convince them to switch. I personally love my 2024 Model 3 Long Range and will never go back to gas. But I also don't try to force EVs on anyone because I understand that they don't work for everyone just yet. I also don't go on really long trips very often. The furthest I've traveled in it so far is just 280 miles one way.
Don't forget to add the time at your job needed to pay for the extra cost of the fuel. Typically an extra hour for every 300 miles driven on road trips.
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The 20 minute summary we all needed! Thank you for coming on the trip. Absolutely amazing to have you along 🎉
i was out on the OOS ones the moment I saw that the "setup" video was 3 hours. Jeebus
@ it was less than an hour but why would you complain about more information
@@KyleConner I subscribe to OOS and watch many videos. While some more information is always nice Kyle, you’re known to talk too much lol.
@ Sorry, I may have been thinking of the second video. Not complaining so much as saying I normally don't have that kind of free time to watch. My cutoff is probably around 30 mins :)
@@KyleConner more info isn’t a bad thing Kyle but you’re known to talk too much lol
You pissed off Kyle. Fully successful in my book! This is the abbreviated version of this “race” we all needed. Well done!
Haha they were great. Can’t thank them enough for coming!
Yea unfortunately the hours long videos lose my attention. I realize it's a lot of work to make these videos but you have to be brutal with cutting footage. Shooting underwater I might shoot and hour of footage and use five minutes.
@@LarsDennertI watch OOS videos at either 1.25 or 1.5 speed. It keeps them more manageable to watch.
Kyle is a douche bag anyway.
@@Itsahickno problem to watch I watched all episodes and people that can’t handle can fast forward or don’t watch most of us loved it .
We definitely needed more of your humor in the outofspec series. I was disappointed they used so little of you. Maybe in the future they'd put you in an EV.
I got an hour into the last of the 3 hour out of spec videos and said “no more”. Thanks for this summary.
The Model 3 LR RWD is the best deal in town. It comes fully equipped (ventilated/heated memory seats, 8-camera surround view, best-in-class software, folding mirrors, dashcam, phone as key, etc.) for the same price as the bare-bones Ioniq 6 SE, and the Tesla is more efficient.
People don’t just want an EV; they want a Tesla.
2024 Tesla Model 3 RWD LR (18'') Efficiency (mi/kWh): 4.9
2024 Hyundai IONIQ 6 SE (18'') Efficiency (mi/kWh): 4.3
2025 Lucid Air Grand Touring (19'') Efficiency (mi/kWh): 4.3
I agree. That model 3 is an amazing package
@@Gjeebs So Gjeebs, just how much time did you waste to answer the Luddites on the main videos claiming that you guys spent hours upon hours just fooling around before getting serious?
We did a drive down the west coast with a MY long range, and there we didn't even feel the difference vs our last gas car. Thats because there is an abundance of v3/4 chargers AND we typically stop to eat every 5-6 hours, so roughly every other charge. There was still a difference I'm sure, but for the one time a year we do it, its a tiny price to pay.
Many thanks for this video, it was an interesting test. Just judging on the time metric is not enough. I would have liked to see a cost comparison between gas and electric charging and between the various EV's. Also assuming that all EV's set off with 100% full batteries how many stops did each make. maybe you can make a follow up video with this data.
This video was interesting. It told me four things.
1. If you want to make the best time in an EV you can only eat or to go the bathroom at charging stops.
2. That there is a huge difference in the "road trip" ability of different EV's.
3. That the Price of an EV isn't reflective of its ease of use and "road trip" ability.
4. Doing a cross country trip in an EV requires a lot of planning in order to optimize the trip
Contrast that with ICE cars. If you raced a Nissan Versa, a Honda Accord, a Porsche 911, and a Chevy Tahoe in the same "race" with the same speed limitations they would probably all finish within an hour of each other. The difference would be luck with traffic, who had to pee more often, and who had to sit in line longest in fast food drive thru. Those in the Tahoe would have been the most comfortable but either the Versa or Accord would have been the cheapest on gas.
They need to do this "race" again in 5 years. Hopefully by then, most EV's will have efficiency better than the Model 3, charge better than the Porsche, and range similar to the Lucid. If you could charge for less than 15 minutes and get a legit 400 miles of range then the "road trip" argument against EV's would be over. Also, the "I live in an apartment and don't have the ability to charge at home (or work)" argument would be over. At that point being an EV or ICE wouldn't matter. The decision on which car to buy would come down to price, comfort, style, needs, and reliability.
Until then, people who do a lot of long trips and those who can't "plug in at night" have legitimate reasons to stick with ICE/Hybrid vehicles.
1. Price. A well equipment Ionic 6 is going to be over $40,000 while a well equipped Sonata is closer to $30,000. You can buy a lot of gas and oil for $10,000
2. Road Tripping. Having to plan around charging stops and taking longer for your trip, having to book hotels with charging stations, looking for restaurants with "free" charging while you eat and so forth. All things you don't have to consider in an ICE/Hybrid vehicle.
3. Using fast charging exclusively takes longer, requires more "stops", and cost about the same (or more) than gas.
If I had to pick a car right now it would be between a 2025 Camry Hybrid and the Model 3 RWD LR.
Pretty interesting and reasonable take. I applaud you in this sea of misinformation and general hate!
That's all fair for the road trips. I think for consideration of buying a car though, you also have to think of the other 50 or 51 weeks of the year. If you can charge at home you never have to go out of your way to get gas. You wake up and have a car at 80% which is 200 miles range which is enough for 355 days of the year. You don't have to stop for gas on the way to or from work/grocery store/bowling league, etc. Your week to week is that much better.
This is also obviously the extreme end of the road trip. My MIL lives 8 hours away. That's a more normal weekend trip, or the types of trips people are doing a few times per year. With an EV it's two charging stops for 20 minutes or so. On that trip even in a gas car the last time we did it we stopped three times for bathroom breaks and food, including once for gas. Basically any of the newer EVs in this race would do it within a half hour or so of a gas car. A trip home to where I grew up is about 20 hours, that's a less than once per year type of trip, and I think an EV would still only add a couple hours over gas.
Also, what they're doing for the race is way overdoing it. Any normal person on a normal road trip is putting the destination into the nav in the car or a route planner app on their phone, typing in arrive at charger at 10% minimum and charge to 80% maximum, and then just following the map. You don't actually need to break out calculators because you're trying to optimize every last second of a 48 hour non-stop road trip.
So which would you rather have: never having to worry about gas for 95% of your days, or having to do a tiny bit of planning on the handful of long trips you'll take over the course of a few years?
@@thatissomeBS My post is specifically about people who can't "Plug it at night".
The benefits from an EV are predicated on having home charging. If someone lives in an apartment, college dorm, town home, or rents a home (and their landlord will not pay to have a level 2 charger installed) and they don't have access to a level 2 charger then the major benefit of owning an EV goes away.
The price between fast charging and gas is negligible and in some cases more expensive. The range of an EV is less than an ICE/Hybrid vehicle, so you would have to charge more often than get gas, and every time you charge it will take 30-45 minutes (or more) as opposed to 5 minutes at a gas station.
There are millions of people in that situation. All these youtube channels talking about how much cheaper it is to on an EV seem to forget that fact. EV's are cheaper to operate and more convenient for middle/upper class homeowners. For everyone else, not so much.
@@lanmansvideos _The benefits from an EV are predicated on having home charging. If someone lives in an apartment, college dorm, town home, or rents a home (and their landlord will not pay to have a level 2 charger installed) and they don't have access to a level 2 charger then the major benefit of owning an EV goes away._
I agree, that the ability to charge at home is definitely one of the bigger benefits. However, I would argue that the benefits of owning an EV are multiple and charging at home is just one aspect. And while yes, you may not be able to install a dedicated level 2 charger in every scenario you described, keep in mind that level 1 charging still exists. When I first got my EV, I did not immediately start with level 2 charging at home (I was unprepared). I started with level 1 charging from a standard 120v outlet. Was it slow? Absolutely. Did it cover my needs? Yes. I drive an average of anywhere between 60 and 75 miles a day (sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less). And with level 1 charging, it would take the entire night (8+ hours) to charge back to 80%. But I was still able to charge, and this was from a 2nd story apartment. Later on I installed a level 2 charger, and that meant I would recover that distance in +/- 2 hours. But the level 2 charger I installed is just a switch box hooked into my dryer outlet with an extension cord down to the charger itself.
_The price between fast charging and gas is negligible and in some cases more expensive. The range of an EV is less than an ICE/Hybrid vehicle, so you would have to charge more often than get gas, and every time you charge it will take 30-45 minutes (or more) as opposed to 5 minutes at a gas station._
This is all highly dependent on what your previous vehicle was, and what we are comparing it to. As an example, I previously drove a 2021 Acura RDX (21 MPG city 27 MPG highway). That car had a tank that would only last me about 1 week until it was empty. And at the least expensive gas prices I could get, it would still cost me an average of $45 to $50 per week to fill up with regular gas. In contrast, when I swapped to my Model 3 just this year, and I went on my first supercharger run, it cost me about $20 to $25 to charge from around 7% to 100%. So even at the worst prices, that would mean a savings of 50% at minimum. Now, I understand that this is MY case, and not everyone will experience that. However, my point still stands. It is highly dependent where you live, what you drove previously, and what your driving consists of.
_There are millions of people in that situation. All these youtube channels talking about how much cheaper it is to on an EV seem to forget that fact. EVs are cheaper to operate and more convenient for middle/upper class homeowners. For everyone else, not so much._
Lastly, I'd like to just say that I am far from even middle class. I work for $21 an hour as a teacher in a private school. This means I don't get paid on a lot of holidays or weeks when there is no school. Yet, I purchased an EV full well knowing that I would be saving money compared to my last vehicle. The fact is that EVs work for a lot more people than you think. And the real only reason that there isn't more wide adoption is because of all the misinformation, general lack of knowledge, and not everyone has even so much as tried it, or looked into how it would fit into their lives.
@@ProXcaliber I agree that if you compare a comparably a priced EV with a gas car (that is only a couple grand less) then, long term, there are savings if you don't have to rely on public fast charging.
I actually looked at getting my son an EV when he went off to college. Then I got on plugshare and realized that there was only 4 level 2 chargers (at car dealership) and no fast chargers in his rural college town. There wasn't even an EA station at Walmart. Even the university didn't have any public chargers. I ended getting him a used Honda Civic for way less than any EV I could find. This was back when Chevy Bolts had the battery recall and the town was to far away for a Nissan Leaf to make it to on a single charge.
I'm not anti-EV. But other than the reduced cost from home charging I just don't see any financial benefit. Especially compared to high efficiency hybrid or even a high MPG ICE vehicle. The 2025 Camry's are all hybrids, get 50 mpg, and have a range of over 500 miles on a single tank of gas. You can get the base trim for $30,000.
Now you can say that EV's are faster and more fun to drive and are "cooler" vehicles. And I"m sure that is true. But that is not the "financial" argument.
I think EV adoption will take off when:
1. The price is similar to that of a hybrid. Typically a hybrid is around $3,000 more than the ICE version of the same vehicle. For instance, when the EV Chevy Equinox is only $3,000 more than the ICE version for the same trim level then it will sell faster. As long as the EV version is 5-10 grand more than the ICE version then people will keep buying the ICE version. You can buy a lot of gas and oil with 10 grand.
2. The vehicle has the same range as a similar ICE/Hybrid vehicle and charge faster. This doesn't matter as much for people who have home charging but for the millions who don't have home charging then this is a big deal. It would mean fewer and shorter trips to fast charging stations.
3. More public fast charging becomes available and is in more strategic locations. Public charging needs to be placed next to areas with a high concentration of apartments/dorms and such. Right now, most fast charging stations are near interstates or in major cities. If I were rich I would start opening coffee shops with fast charging stations in college towns. College students love coffee and tend to be more EV friendly than your average person.
4. EV's get a reputation for being reliable and long lasting. Toyota's are boring cars. But people buy a Toyota with the expectation that they will last 15 years with no major issues. While that is not always the case, Toyota has built a reputation that makes people think it is possible. Most everyone at least knows someone with a 15 year old Toyota that is still going strong. Once people at least know someone with an EV that is 15 years old and still going strong then adaption will greatly increase.
Until at least some of those things happen then EV's will be purchased by the following:
Environmentalist who think they are saving the planet
Commuter cars for suburban homeowners
Tech enthusiast who like to be early adopters and beta testers
Car enthusiast who like to go 0-6 in under 3 seconds and have instant torque.
Rich people (or people in huge debt) who like to drive something unique.
My guess is that you, and most EV owners, fall into one of those categories.
Truly amazing that an EV came only 2 hours behind an ICE vehicle after 3000 miles!
If you can afford it!
Would have liked to see a cost comparison between gas and electric charging.
My guess gas was cheaper
@@pw1187 I think gas is by far cheaper for traveling cross country but when home charging with home electric electricity rates, obviously electric is cheaper than but with the amount of time I travel cross country electric car fits me perfectly
@@pw1187your guess is wrong. They were about on par average. But EVs are much cheaper at home. Tesla in this “race” should have been cheaper due to more or less standard rates on Superchargers. While other vehicles may be the same or higher then petrol due to inflated prices on EA or other networks.
I did a quick check using ABRP. Seattle to Boston in a Model S Plaid states it would be $470ish. That Model 3 would probably be a tad cheaper.
The Type S states it does 25mpg on the HWY. I used fueleconomy.gov to give me a trip price and it stated $500ish for only 3% city driving.
I did a quick check using ABRP. Seattle to Boston in a Model S Plaid states it would be $470ish. That Model 3 would probably be a tad cheaper.
The Type S states it does 25mpg on the HWY. I used fueleconomy.gov to give me a trip price and it stated $500ish for only 3% city driving.
It’s crazy that the old model s was nearly a full day behind!
It is 12 years old with 120000 miles on it. You know how much battery technology has changed in the last decade?
It is exciting to think what battery technology will be like in 2034.
@@ericgregoriyea it's crazy how much this has advanced in 10 years. From nearly a day behind to 2 hours behind. Wild progress. 10 years is a blink of the eye in the auto industry (but an eternity in tech). Exciting to see how far EVs have come so quickly
Dave Conner ran out of charge on two other challenges driving the F-150 Lightning. Some pointed comments were heaped on the big Ford for causing the driver to spark out. But now, the truth has been revealed! 😵
Greetings from Wisconsin, and nice summary video (I immediately recognized the Mississippi River portion you guys filmed)! I wonder how the Teslas would've done had there been V3 or V4 superchargers available in Wyoming and South Dakota. I see they added another Supercharger station in Gillette, WY, and have plans for another in Buffalo, but they definitely need new ones in South Dakota.
I love how far EV and especially the charging infrastructure has come along in the past 10 years or so. We still have a ways to go in many places, but it's always exciting to see new Superchargers going up, and Tesla just announced the V4s with actual V4 cabinets doing 500 kW on Cybertrucks. Keep an eye out for that, especially in Quartzite where those huge amounts of Superchargers are at.
Poor Dave done in by the BMS again. If they had charged 2 minutes longer per stop they wouldn’t be in the situation.
Or not passed by the 350kW station right on the highway!
What a unique race & video!
Only 5% slower for Porsche EV and 10% for Tesla! 😮 Wow! That indeed impressive for EVs.
You guys should have made note of how long your fueling stops took along with the cost. They take a lot longer than 5 minutes, as most people quote. It was a fun video 😊. Nice bright white teeth and smile too.
5 seconds with filling fossil Dino juice to be burned and poisoned the air. And 5 hours for every 100 miles in the electric cars using a garage outlet.
I charged my 2022 TM3LR at a supercharger for the first time. Had about 6% in the battery when I plugged in, the battery was not preconditioned, it was about 45°. I did not know since I always charge at home. In just 9 min, the length of a youtube video, autoline daily, my car gained 160 miles. More than enough. Went from 6% and 36 miles left before the 20 miles after zero emergency range up to 196 miles at 59%. I was surprised.
@davidbeppler3032 Hi, very true. I have a DMLRY and love to do very long road trips. I also have the CCS1 adapter to Tesla, and it comes in handy in small towns and off-road planes. Have fun and be safe.
The big take away for me here is:
1. Lucid Air - Huge battery doesn't mean you can travel long distances faster - dependencies on infrastructure (and compatibility) still apply.
2. Legacy Model S 85 - 20hrs behind the gas car and 16hrs behind the new Model 3 LR RWD - this is really telling of how far the car's technology has come along in terms of battery pack and it's ability to charge with this one unable to hit V3 supercharger speeds and inability to use CCS1 with an adapter.
3. Porsche Taycan - Showing you that if you want to go faster (charging), you can do it!
4. Everyone has to use the bathroom and it's not always going to be when and where you want to fill your fuel tank / charge your battery.
5. Tesla Model 3 LR RWD - One of the cheapest, but newest cars here was able to come in the top 3 of 10 vehicles. So you don't need to break the bank just to travel fast and not everyone needs AWD, so this is a great option for many people, except if you live where there's a lot of snow and want the best traction all the time.
Great summary, Gjeebs! I'm a huge fan of OOS but their videos are like 3hrs long each and it will take some time for me to get through them all. I look forward to seeing the OOS, although, admittedly, I will likely skip through alot of it to the more interesting parts.
Thanks for sharing your experience from the gas car.
Did you play any golf?
Hey, Kyle should have included the eGolf on this trip. Whoever drove that would probably have taken 6days.
So the Teslas took only 10% more time than the gas Acura over 3000 mile race? Geez it is win for Tesla! Range of the model 3 is practically never an issue for Tesla commuters who get to smile as they ignore gas stations and simply plug-in at night....perfect! It charges while you sleep with inexpensive electricity.
Yea that was impressive and the Taycan blew my mind. Most people aren't driving this distance so it's very extreme but gives you a good picture of how charging will affect your time.
@@Gjeebs Charging today on a route less EV traveled than other transcontinental HWYs. Try again in five years. Ooops to many were for Drumpf.
@@cre8tvedge Is this english?
@@ProXcaliber Yeah I kinda garbled that last sentence. The point was that maybe we won't get the charging infrastructure in place in five years because felon Donnie is a complete fool who is clueless about so many things one of the key ones being hatred for clean energy. Too many fool followers voted for him so here we are facing years of idiocy and damage.
@@ProXcaliberthe words are, the sentences… not so much.
To go that far and not be able to drive 10 over the speed limit I would be out. Lol
Consider the legal reasons for filming TH-cam videos - especially when MKBHD recently went 95 in a 35 zone (dumbass). 10 over isn't so bad, plus there's a less likelihood to get pulled over or arrested for reckless driving. I also go about 10 over when roadtripping, so their race is on par with my driving anyway.
@ they did the right thing. I’m just saying personally I would struggle going g that far with that restriction. Lol
@@Smallyardguy for a country-long race, that's understandable.
I mean.. Considering cars got pulled over as is, probably for the best haha
Charging infrastructure plays a pivotal role in the adoption of electric vehicles. A robust and widespread network is essential for long journeys and reducing range anxiety. I thought Tesla would have come in 2nd. Surprisingly, Taycan did better!
The taycan has a much larger and faster charging curve than the Tesla’s.
The Teslas' issue wasn't charger availability, it was the fact that the Taycan holds a faster charge for longer than the Tesla. That Taycan is super sweet, and if I could afford one, I would definitely get it.
Yep. And battery chemistry that can hold full charging speed 0-80% will give the full potential.
Need to get you some Depends or the Texas Leaguer truckers use. Congratulations on your win.
Great race and great comparison gas vs electric on a long trip.
Congrats on the win!
no one's talking about jeebs intro with his hands out to his side? pure comedy 😂
It would be interesting to almost compare price of charging vs fueling especially assuming the old Tesla had free charging.
Next race, all cars have the same amount of energy. The gas car gets 3.5 gallons per fill up. Good luck!
What was your total cost for gas across the full I-90 trip? Thanks for the summary video.
This was eye-opening, thank you for making this video.
Not surprised. Usually my wife’s Acura is about 1 hr faster than taking the tesla over a distance of 1000 miles.
mad fun, looks like. Thx for the video. I enjoyed watching.
Destination chargers at hotels would make a normal trip with stops every night would make the EV elapsed time about the same as a gas car.
I would have liked to see the economics. How much did you spend on gas v charging.
Completely off topic: I would love to see a Gjeebs review of the Meta Ray-Bans.
Easiest parking I’ve ever seen in Boston, and I see you took your clubs to Granite Links. 👍
Yessir! Hit balls up there. It was beautiful
That's the beauty of owning an EV. If you're going on a road trip and you don't want to mess with charging, just rent a gas car.
Or one can just own a gas car lol, thats pretty much the logic of most people
@@bigredog100 Sure sure.
Kyle went 386 miles in that Model 3 on the 70mph test
My bad!
Telsa driver on autopilot had a record low number of phantom braking on the trip, only 439 events.
Next I want to see one with SUVs/Trucks
They might have done one already! Try searching for it on Out of Spec
This is proof there is no need to worry about range or how long it takes to charge. It’s a non issue. They are just pee stops. The average charge is 15-30 minutes and then you’re good to go! Gas cars suck. That Acura is a great car 10 years ago. Now it’s not even close. Wait until we have chargers more prevalent than gas stations. You will be able to charge anywhere.
Loved this challenge, watched on out of spec motoring…I own a model Y LR but still use my CX5 for road trips between Seattle and Phoenix even though Tesla charging and hotel charging infrastructure is good…but just as you say it’s a no brainer with a gas car
Why not an Atkinson Cycle Hybrid? I would love to be in the next, "race", with a Prius Hybrid and my 64 year old bladder.
I have been driving since 1996, and the two longest trips I did were 1200miles and 2000miles. In 28 yrs. I can sacrifice a couple of hours every decade. Most my other day trips are about 700milee, easy peasy in the model 3 Long range RWD.
I’d expected the gas car to be 5-6 hours ahead. Seems that Acura has a tiny tank which probably led to and extra gas stop.
Would love to see the total charging time and how many stops each car actually made.
Pretty incredible for the Porsche. Now can that tech make its away into a car 1/3 the price
I think the limiting factor is the 48v system along with the 800v drivetrain. This allows the car to charge at higher power outputs 350kW instead of 250kW (and soon according to Tesla 500kW for the CT), and keep a lower temperature for longer. The lower temperature helps since it means that the car can hold the higher charge speed for much longer.
I don't think the size of tank matters much. Even if they stopped one extra time, what does it matter? They made more stops to pee than for gas as is. Same will probably be true for most road trips.
And.. I mean.. It's definitely not taycan level, but the model 3 is maybe the cheapest car in the lineup and was only 4 hours behind - less than 10% diff.
So it's definitely doable. Especially when you remember that Taycan can't even use tesla chargers.
Every time I hear surge I think the drink. I miss that beverage lol.
Same!!!
whats crazy to me is an ev was only two hours behind a gas car driving across the ENTIRE country
Yea I thought it would be 5-6 hours
Looking at that taycan, it was only 5% slower over a long distance drive. You get more noise with traffic.
so the question do I get a Porsche model Taycan red with the big battery or the Tesla Model 3 rwd..
About a $50,000 difference between the two so idk haha
I love your videos man!
Any idea what the costs for the 3 Supercharging vs Premium gas for the trip was?
What is the app they were all using to show locations of all the cars?
Those of Us retires driving 10 miles/Day buy what We enjoy.......AND driving a smooth, powerfull, quiet EV pleases Me more than anything that makes noise or vibrates..............Paul
What about cost? How much did you pay for fuel vs. average electricity cost for the EVs?
YOU DID WHAT?!?
WITH WHO??!
WHY??
YOU KNOW WHAT F THIS IM IN…😂
Calm down.
LoL. There's no competition for the Acura.
Your back is stronger than mine if you can drive for that long.
Forget driving.. Sleeping in that car over 2 days.. Ugh lol
Gjeebs coming in clutch with the summary video. Out of Spec really needs an editor.
The missing piece is.. what was the cost difference to drive the 3000 miles?
Can't beat gas for travel speed if you dont mind the refueling costs. You can always just drive faster thanks to quick and available fill-ups.
You can't beat electric for not effing up the world. Convenience is a religion to too many Americans. It will be the undoing. Life is not really about getting there fast.
@cre8tvedge I'm Canadian. My comment is more about why a test like this will lean in one direction. In the real world, folks aren't attempting a race and do care about how much they're spending to fill up.
@@cre8tvedgethis comment is hilarious considering the fact that ev production and ownership add to the "effing up" of the world.
@@bigredog100 That is simply false. It's the opposite and industry experts have proved it.
By the way bigred you just tacitly admitted that ICE vehicles do that. You cannot make a case for ICE by admitting their a problem. Way beyond any EV manufacturing or FF sources for charging.
Lmao dilly dally 🤣🤣😭😭
@Gjeebs what playlist were you guys listening to on the trip?
I have no clue. It was random
The Mr Carter reference was unexpected
There was one stat that no one gave. How much $$ did everyone have to use to get across the country? Gas may have been faster, but it might have cost the most.
Superchargers are generally not too far off of gas prices. The savings comes from home/work charging.
Still would like to know the $$ numbers. In the case of the Acura vs the Tesla Model 3 as I would put those in a similar category. Come on let us know. There was 4 hours of time saved now how much money. You know the saying time is money!!!
@@grmonte69 When you realize that normal rather than cannonball driving makes the trip four to five days the handful of hours saved is not much and with equal charging stations to gas stations a big fat zero. As they said the Taycan or M3 may win with highest speed chargers.
You can say that the 2 newer Teslas were clearly cheaper than the ICE Acura, but it would be nice to compare the others.
@ in Canada the Acura and the Model 3 long range are similarly priced.
Highlight of the video - pulling a Mike wizowski on JR's face
3000 miles at 75mph is 37.5 hours. a 20 minute stop for gas and food every 400 miles is another 2.5 hours. So 40 hours for the trip.
For those not "racing" that is 3 13 hour days for ICE compared to 3 15 hour days for an EV.
Gas for that trip would be less than $300 for my wife's car. Which cost enough less than any of the EVs to make the investment income from the savings pay for the gas.
I would to have an EV, but the cost in dollars and time is too much to pay.
Dave and team dropped the ball with Lucid. They made the Lucid look bad by skipping a charger while having a low soc. And they tried to blame the car. That's messed up.
Nah, the car's BMS screwed them. The car was essentially showing the buffer in the available charge state, Dave and the guys had no way of knowing this until it was too late. If you have plenty of data that says the car will go X miles beyond the 0% point and the car then dies AT 0% that is on the car. Lucid's poor BMS and software let the car down not Dave and the guys.
@@s3cr3tsqrl64 you can't say this nonsense with a straight face. You can't be agnostic to the buffer until the last minute to begin with. Any experienced Ev owner knows how to handle buffer overestimation, you slow down until you make it to the next charger and you don't Skip a charger when your soc is low. They drove that Lucid like amateurs. There's no excuse for it. How do you justify the car with the highest range was the one that got towed? Something ain't right.
The truth no one here wants to hear is that if the ICE car was for example a 520d the difference to the taycan would probably be much more than 10h considering it can do 620 miles on one tank.
Evs are not there yet and still have a long long way to go if they actually get there one day which is unlikely
Definitely not unlikely, it will just take a few more years for battery tech and charging speeds to be in parity with gas cars. Plus, no one is doing a 3,000 mile trip in one go.
@ Well I think it’s unlikely because this phase of EVs will get to an end sooner than you think, there is a place for EVs in the world especially in cities, but for big trips diesel cars are still the benchmark and with the introduction of biofuels I even think Tesla will be manufacturing an ICE vehicle in the next decade.
@@vascomagalhaes23 Biofuels are going nowhere, because it relies on the same principles as the fuel we already use and is still harmful. If anything, a point could be made for hydrogen for applications like heavy hauling or larger commercial vehicles. But in the end, the only things really holding EVs back is charge speed and charger availability. If there was a charging location at every corner like there are gas stations and even the cheapest EVs could charge in 10 minutes or less, no one would argue against it.
@ mate realistically anything is “harmful”, where do you think the power to power public chargers come from? Plus what do you do with old EV batteries? Biofuels are being developed by F1 teams which have brought so many new technologies in to the regular car industry and this will be another one.
Also because gas cars will never stop existing or being produced especially in countries like Germany Italy and so on.
The problem with hydrogen is its distribution at the moment, maybe it will be a viable option one day idk.
At the end of the day there will always be gas cars, diesels, EVs and in the future more fuel types will come the more the better
@@vascomagalhaes23 I understand where the energy comes from. But think about it logically. The gas, diesel, or biofuel cars still require energy to make that fuel, or even to transport it and get into the tank of whatever needs to use it. However, the plant (coal, solar, hydro, natural gas, etc.) are all much more efficient than your average gas, diesel, or biofuel car. This means that not only is your gas, diesel, or biofuel car producing its own harmful emissions, but it's compounding with the plant that produces the energy to provide you with that fuel. Meanwhile, electric and hydrogen both eliminate at least 1 part of those emissions, which is at the tailpipe. It is also a much more efficient use of the energy as well. The positive is that it can also continue to become cleaner, as power grids slowly keep becoming cleaner as well.
As a side note, think about the efficiency of energy use. Your average EV, that can travel around 300+ miles, is doing that with what would be the equivalent of 2 to 3 gallons of gasoline or diesel. And that is thanks to the fact that the EV drivetrain is often +90% efficient in how it uses its energy.
Like I said previously, the main thing holding EVs back is charge times, and charging availability. Energy density in batteries, while nice, is not technically necessary. How frequently do you think most people really would drive 600+ miles? And even if an EV did have that kind of range, what difference would it make when the “fuel station” is right at your home or just down the street.
If you needed an oil change, which is not unlikely on a 3000 mile trip, that would have made the gap even closer.
Also, in the real world, a trip like this would include 2 or more overnight stays at hotels where the EV could charge and avoid charging stops. In that case, the Taycan may have won and the Model 3 would have been close. Crazy to think that EVs could potentially compete with gas on a trip like this.
Who on earth changes oil every 3K miles? Every auto manufacturer recommends at least double if not triple that mileage between changes.
@ I haven’t had a gas car in over ten years so I don’t know the latest trend. Also, who says the oil was changed right before the trip? Maybe the oil already had 4,000 miles on it.
hahaha who is doing oil changes on trips?
even so..Jiffy Lube 15 minutes...still outperformed any EVs
@@GjeebsI had an oil change done halfway through an 11,000 mile road trip across the USA and Canada.
When they first got into Chicago that wasn’t Chicago that was the suburbs and that wasn’t the subway
You should have installed a Comma 3X for OpenPilot. It would have made your trip safer, less stressful, and far more enjoyable. It would be a good chance to showcase the open source version of Autopilot too.
Gas car wins everytime. Can drive the entire way at 80mph and only needs 5 - 10 minutes to refuel.
Nice !
I can smell this video
Yea...
I'm sorry Kyle was so cheap he could only fly you on Frontier. 😂
So they did #1 and #2 out the window while doing this?
@11:46 LOL
I wonder how many Acura TLX you helped sell… 🤣
Queue the “today, I shaved my head” video
So what's a 4h sacrifice over 3000 miles to lower your carbon footprint????
I don't think that new Model S was the Plaid trim. It didn't have the badge or the spoiler. Not that it mattered but you kept calling it a Plaid.
It was a Plaid, watch the original videos.
It's a plaid, the one that was wrecked.
@@GDM22 What original videos?
@@Gjeebs Ok. Thanks.
Thank goodness you summarized this rather than Kyle who rambles on for hours!!! Just look how long EV Dave consumed in your video. Apple fell close to tree with those fellas.
It’s why we had more than just us on the trip! Everyone has their own style 😊
How did he fit all 9 EVs inside a gas-powered car?
Was that guy in Montana cussing at you?
Yes, me filming myself upset him
Just in the first couple minutes of your video, I'm guessing the gas car will always win.
For now
Not if they needed an oil change and if there were overnight stops at hotels where the EVs could charge. I wouldn’t say always.
@lemongavine I'd imagine before you take a long journey, a car would be properly prepped with maintenance completed beforehand.
@@Flpnout Not wrong, but most people also aren't taking 3,000 mile road trips and taking shifts between 3 drivers to stay on the road for a full 40+ hours. Most people would be hard-pressed to even do a 1,000 mile road trip without stopping for at least 1 night. And for me personally, part of the fun in a road trip is the journey, not just the destination.
They all knew the gas car would win. The question is, by how far and much time? EV critics probably assume the trip would've taken a long time like it did for the 2012 Model S, which didn't get to Boston until early the next day, I think like around 5:30AM or so. Or that you have to stop and charge for 4 hours for every 2-3 hours of driving.
Yet the latest Model 3 Long Range Rear-Wheel Drive was only 4 hours behind the TLX. Can't wait to see what the V4 Superchargers will do when enough of them are built and EVs that can do 350 kW speeds utilize them.
This version is 1000% better than out of spec.
Only because I saved 2+ hours of my life lol
Disagree, vehemently! I hung on virtually every word through all four Surge vids.
@ we watched both videos so I think it’s a win regardless lol
I enjoyed this video along with the Out of Spec ones, but they definitely ran on the long side. Still, it was nice to see how modern EVs are doing compared to the old school Model S that arrived the next day. What a difference 12 years made in terms of EVs and charging infrastructure.
Im going to take a chance and say the tesla is going to beat all the evs
Well I'd watch because that doesn't happen
Next do the race using the same amount of fuel/energy. Every car starts with and can only hold the same amount of energy. The gas car gets 3.5 gallons of regular. The Tesla Model 3 gets a 100% charge. The Lucid gets a 70% charge.... ect. Go!
😂😂😂😂😂
This doesn't say anything about anything
EVs are better vehicles for most people but most will never know it because of propaganda, misinformation and disinformation
Your ice vehicle will also win the race to the repair shop
Way toooo much additional time. Redefine for battery car. Yikes
Couple of observations. First, Kyle is a control freak and a jackass. Second, with the ever increasing prices for Super charging and CCS charging price comparisons are now a vital piece of the puzzle. When Super charging was 22 cents per Kwh, electric vehicles had a distinct fuel cost advantage. In just 4 years, those prices have more than doubled. I think, but am uncertain, that it is actually cheaper to take these trips in a gas car, now. Would be nice if anyone on this trip could provide a cost breakdown comparison on fuel.
Ha ha! You smoked those electric weenies
No stops for sleeping and 3 drivers per car. Not a realistic 'real world' test for most as the EV will be charging for overnight stops. I guess some people might drive in shifts in the USA like this.
Gap would have been much closer with overnight stops
@@lemongavine Our family is planning a trip this December from South Florida to Colorado. Our plan is to make multiple stops to visit different areas in different states, but overall we plan on making at least 2 overnight hotel stays.
Yea, this is something you do if you're under 25 with friends going to the beach, certainly not once you got wife/kids/dogs......
Kyle is a jerk sometimes. Don’t take his crap. He stops to go to the bathroom, eat, etc just like everyone else and feels entitled to criticize others.
Oof. Clickbait for those who have a predetermined desired outcome. It’s reasonably close when it comes to time on road trips, at least for me. I usually take 25% longer in my BEVs. That’s not the point though. It’s so much of a better overall ownership experience to own an EV, that I don’t care about road trip times. There is more to other than speed.
Yeah drive the Rivian. Happy to see the comparison but praising gas for a few hours of difference in the time is just glorification of convenience over protection of the environment (both warming and direct pollutants). The hidden message is that most of the time difference is due to charging infrastructure. Given that any trip other than leisure across the country is simply an extreme outlier. So again drive the Rivian.
Ugh, Kyle is so annoying….
Jk jk. I am a big fan of out of spec
So destroy the environment, save 2 hrs. Makes perfect sense
The reality is, that until EVs can match that level of convenience, we won't be able to get everyone to switch. You will be able to convince most people that don't do these kinds of trips often, but for the rest, it will take something like this to convince them to switch. I personally love my 2024 Model 3 Long Range and will never go back to gas. But I also don't try to force EVs on anyone because I understand that they don't work for everyone just yet. I also don't go on really long trips very often. The furthest I've traveled in it so far is just 280 miles one way.
Don't forget to add the time at your job needed to pay for the extra cost of the fuel. Typically an extra hour for every 300 miles driven on road trips.
Gas car didn't burst into flames, surprising
I mean, none of the cars did. Did you expect this to be a Michael Bay film?