I used to watch some of his videos until he started complaining publicly about how much money he was losing. Nobody is entitled to making a living as a TH-camr.
I think the fact that it apparently took Cameron 10 years to realize that the problem of evil can be countered by decreasing the power of god tells us a lot about how seriously we ought to take Cameron.
Its pretty complicated to know which of the supernatural capabilities of a supernatural entity to remove.... How will you ever know if it's the right one? 😂
In the stories of the Bible God very often doesn’t seem to know the future. Obviously that would make it very hard to figure out which actions would reduce or even ultimately defeat evil and which would make everything much worse in the end. But I am pretty sure that Cameron doesn’t like this explanation.
@@oscargr_ I'm sure he will figure it out in time. Since it took him only 10 year to figure that limiting gods power could counter the argument from evil. Perhaps in another decade he will figure out the divine hiddenness can be undermined by denying that god wants a relationship with humans, or that the Euthyphro dilemma can be answered by just picking a horn. Stay tuned more groundbreaking philosophical insights from the great mind behind Capturing Christianity - Eventually.
Reducing the power of god invalidates the ontological argument, if one is fond of that one. Though Cameron is a catholic, and the official doctrine doesn’t support that argument.
@@lfelssordnry Isn't that the one in which you imagine god into existence? Its savable. God could still be the greatest, just not 100% great. Goff has now told Cameron that the greatest imaginable being doesn't have to be perfect in every sense.
Once he started regularly interviewing exorcists on his channel, I very much stopped taking him seriously. Given that he kept talking about money trouble up until he made this shift, I think it’s reasonable to assume he sold out his integrity for popular woo. Most apologists do, eventually.
Yeah he sold his soul to wealthy Catholic donors, I would be genuinely shocked if that wasn't the driving force behind his conversion, whether he realizes it himself or not.
I noticed his new video saying that Alex O’Connor was “EMBARRASSED” in his podcast with the Knechtles. It’s very sad how he has gotten to the point of even insulting former friends who are atheist/agnostic in hopes to garner more views of his videos.
The silver lining is that even from his own Christian audience, he's getting called out for that behavior. Maybe he will self-correct eventually when his videos start getting fewer views because disillusioned Christians start jumping ship. That would be sort of amusing to watch, if it happens.
The video is not on the discussion on alex podcast but the debate on Modern Day Debate. Definitely another clickbait title and it worked great for him. Rage farming is the easiest way to make money on social media.
24:04 i mean this with no disrespect to you or your work (I think you approach the topic from a different perspective) but this seems to be the entire point of much of the apilogetics space. Its not meant to convert the non believer. It's meant as a comfort blanket to believers. "Yes, you kay have doubts. Maybe an atheist made a point that troubled you. But, Ive thought about this for 10 years and I don't doubt! Smart people think the way you do. Its ok to believe." Thinks like Keener's tome on miracles isn't so much meant to be read but to used be as a cudgel. "You don't think miracles happen? Well, have you read Keeners 1000 page work on it? No? Then you aren't sufficiently well informed and I can discard your view."
@patrickbarnes9874 a few questions: Have you read all of keeners work? Have you looked into responses to it? There is what I think is an excellent resource responding to miracles and specifically Keener. It's a 9 hour video from Digital Gnosis in his Bad Apologetics playlist. Episode 20. Are you willing to watch it and listen to the response?
@@desertsand8778 You don’t have to point out that your comment was meant to be sarcastic when talking with Atheists because we are smart enough to understand the intention. But you failed to understand that the point was that Atheists don’t take Cameron seriously because he rarely says anything worth responding to. Even his subscribers don’t seem to care about his videos. Maybe he will have to find a real job very soon.😂
@@ramigilneas9274 lol an atheist being smart? That's so pathetic to say that I feel a little sorry for you that you think that. Considering Capturing christianity gets over 100,000 views on a lot of his videos at least show people take him more seriously than this channel. Even Alex O conner has become agnostic and changed his views on christianity and I bet half his followers are christians trying to convert him. Face it the new atheist phase has died out and I'm just here to gloat. Is that christian of me? Maybe not but I rather not cast my pearls before swine
If an atheist is defined as someone who does not hold dogmatic beliefs, then no one could possibly be atheist. Atheism is simply the notion that specifically belief in god cannot be justified. It can be studied in terms of the arguments that atheists present to defend their position in the public debate they take part in.
the only get out of jail card for that one is to appeal to some form of epistemological nihilism. Which also just so happens to be the error bar for every possible claim, logical argument, anything! It’s just more probable that god isn’t giving kids cancer for 5 billion IQ reasons.
His video calling Alex O'Connor's debate with the Knechtles "embarrassing" is full of comments from christians calling Cameron out for clickbait and being dishonest. His response was along the lines of "wow there are a bunch of atheists raging out".
It’s not a good sign when someone has spent so long in their bubble that they no longer understand how someone could intelligently disagree with them. Edit: Does this mean Cameron will be shutting down his channel? After all, if atheism isn’t to be taken seriously, why do we need full time TH-cam apologists?
12:23 What he says here is false, there are many arguments for theism that if true would not necessarily show a god exists, in fact most cosmological arguments are that way.
Evangelical apologetics is actually simple: "We don't know how this happen . . . therefore God." "I am not able to understand this . . . therefore God." "I will not look beyond what my theology states . . . therefore I keep my faith." "The world excludes the possibility of a spiritual realm . . . therefore they are anti-intellectual." "Buy my book, buy my course, support my cause."
Christians don’t have a ‘relationship’ with God. This is easily shown by the fact that they sometimes doubt his existence. One can’t be in relationship with someone one isn’t certain exists.
Yes. Atheism is so completely lacking in any intellectual merit whatsoever it shouldn't take more than a single evening of research to toss it in the garbage where it belongs. The fact that it took Cameron so long to figure it out doesn't speak well of him.
He's back at it again - Michael Beverly makes truth and logic claims, but doesn't know where he gets his truth from. First he said the scientific method was his source of truth, but provided no evidence and changed his mind. He said his experience was his source of truth, then he said his reality was his source of truth and then he said his source of truth was Yudkowski's book, Rationality: AI to Zombies but could not provide any evidence to support any of them. He then said that good methodology would lead to truth, but could not identify a good methodology that proves atheism to be true. He then changed his mind again and said that it was evidence that would lead to truth. He then said it was the ancient texts of Sdlusluesx who left books of truth on the lost continent of Mu. Does he have any more ideas as to where he gets his truth from???? Will he now give us the 8th source for his truth?? Or does he yet have even more sources for his truth - let's ask him and find out?
@@JoBo301 "Michael Beverly makes truth and logic claims, but doesn't know where he gets his truth from" I was at target and caught Michael picking up a 6 pack of truth, so now you know. "proves atheism to be true" Atheism is a claim about his belief, so unless you know how to mind read, the best you can get is to take his word of it or not. Even if there is a God, He can still not know/believe in it.
I can’t take Cameron seriously because he doesn’t understand the burden of proof. It’s not on atheists to prove god, it’s on theists to demonstrate a god’s probability.
Another great video from Rauser. Bertuzzi thinks that whoever has the most arguments wins. In particular the indifference displayed by him and other Theists to both animal and human suffering is a disgrace.
Thank you for this. I heard it once asked of a preacher why he was so precise in his sermons. He responded that it was because he served a precise God. I've no idea if this is true... but boy, it sure hit me when I first heard it.
@@ziploc2000 I would disagree with your interpretation of events... a little inane if not obtuse with the "allegedly". There is more to Christianity than what you just presented to me. If that is what you have been told about Christianity, I feel badly for you. Did you watch the video? It was literally about at least doing the minimum of being precise when arguing against a position you disagree with.
I don't take Capturing Christianity seriously ever since it turned into a silly clickbait channel about demons and the Shroud of Turin. Naturally this happened right after he posted about how he needed more money. I guess it's more profitable, but I don't know who watches that nonsense. My bigger worry is that Inspiring Philosophy just posted a video about needing more money...
( `_ゝ´) This is an artistic proof of a created universe. When you paint a shadow it's the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white was so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it. Pigments have different rules than light. It took them thousands of years to get all the pigments they have now.
Do the attributes of God exist because we Know them or do they exist because that is the only way a god could hypothetically exist. If the latter, you don't Know anything about "God".
Is Cameron (and implicitly Randal) assuming that atheism is the claim that a god does not exist rather than the assertion that there is not sufficient reason to believe in a god? I note also that Cameron has just written off (amongst other faiths) most of Buddhism. I assume he has spent a substantial portion of these last ten years studying these faiths.
The philosophical use of Atheism is the position that no gods exist so I imagine that’s how it’s being used I lean atheist myself and that’s how I use it
@@justdavelewis Yes I was aware that was the case. It puzzles me a little since this technical use of the word fails to include the psychological reality of many who identify as atheists. I am not sure though that this is exactly what is happening here with Cameron.
@@martifingers I think the philosophical use of agnosticism fits the colloquial use of Atheism quite nicely - being neither convinced of god's existence or non-existence With Cameron, idk, i think he would just say that Buddhism is false because it posits that there is no god or something like that.
@ IMO, adding the knowledge caveat to an “I don’t believe” position is kinda useless cos if you don’t believe something you definitely don’t know it either lol It would make more sense to apply the gnosis=knowledge if one was to say “I believe there’s no god but I wouldn’t claim knowledge” I stopped using the words that way a few years ago now cos I felt the way they weren’t as useful as conveying peoples actual positions as the philosophical terms
Very good points. It's also an odd statement because it's not reflective in the wider issue of apostasy. When I have spoken to former Christians/Muslims the most common reason for their deconstruction and leaving their faith are related to concerns to do with the evil and suffering in the world. Unlike Cameron - not everyone thinks that theodicies and reducing God's powers are successful at reconciling the evil and suffering in the world.
( ・`д・´) Consciousness is the particle and wave double slit experiment. The cones and rods of your eyes preserve the particle and wave duality so your vision don't look like a flat screen television. It's supposed to be a violation of physics but it is the only exception in the whole universe.
So after 10 years you still don’t understand atheism. It’s not a hypothesis. It is a position that theism has not met its burden of proof which it hasn’t. Otherwise? There would be only one theist position because it’s been proven.
(＃￣З￣) We need to popularize the idea of getting God married. Getting God married is a good use of someone's time. You are supposed to make the environment intelligent so no God is needed. We fixed the video and audio for the best experience possible. Cameras are supernatural and all of them captured 3D that not a gimmick. The audio loud don't make violence so has depth. Nobody has to buy anything for it to work.
Cameron's manufactured justification for no longer responding to challenges to his worldview from atheists. Probably doesn't want his viewers exposed to rebuttals that may seem more probable than the ancient theistic worldviews, explanations, apologetics.
Hes a joke.. he left me a comment and i think banned me from commenting on his posts because i kept posting an original argument that consistently got engagement but nobody was refuting
@@EnglishMike .. by the way.. the argument i made was how Jesus said "look at the birds of the air.. they don't gather food into barns, and still theyre fed" .. i pointed out how theres literally a bird called a "barn owl" which stores its food in barnes 😀 and iirc, it existed back in Jesus' time and region.. Im a Christian.. and I can reconcile that apparent error.. but the Christians there were giving such weak rebuttals 😀 (i wasn't a Christian at the time of running that argument)
Cameron is simply struggling to create new content that gets any views. And like every good content creator he knows that clickbait, ragebait and carzy stuff gets the most engagement. But I don’t know if copying Justin Brierley (if that’s how it’s written) will help him much. Because Justin already said the same nonsense and told us why after 10 years of hosting debates with Atheists he is still a Christian.
Well it's hard to avoid the fact that once people reach their mid-20s, it's rare for anyone to change their belief system. The vast majority of the decline in Christianity in the US is generational -- i.e. young people who, by their mid-20s have chosen to reject the faith of their parents. Also the opportunity cost of publicly ditching your faith after years of making a living making content about it is huge, which is scary enough to want to avoid thinking about the possibility. Paul Ens (Paulogia) lost his wife, his children, his friends and his job when he became an atheist, and that was before he had any public exposure on TH-cam. Cameron took a risk by converting to Catholicism, but he was already losing money after losing his major donor, so there was little to no opportunity cost to worry about in his case, and if you want to be cynical, perhaps he saw it as a way to solve his financial woes, even if it didn't work until he fully committed to producing clickbait content.
@ Converting to Catholicism looked more like a business decision and there are way too many examples where Cameron was very dishonest. I am not saying that he is lying about being a Christian but I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t believe half of the stuff he says.
Cameron is a good guy. I have a lot of respect for him. But, I do think he has been bitten by the “click bait” bug. The fact that made a video about God saving Trump from the assassination attempt and that Trump will now become a Christian, made me realize how far he had fallen. It’s disappointing because he has such a great opportunity to really make great content. And he has made great content!
He makes videos lying to people telling them God exists… using your platform to spread lies is not being a good guy… but if you think that’s worthy of respect, then that says volumes about your character
This guy and 2 other apologists live video randomly came up on my feed. They were calling Alex O'Connor a moron. Wwwhat!? The guy that's constantly destroying apologists is a moron. Pffff
I stopped taking Bertuzzi seriously once he sold his soul to Catholic donors and viewers in exchange for money. Before then he was alright, but ever since, I just can't really see him as a serious philosopher or a serious academic or a serious anything... except for maybe being a serious sell-out.
Like most of Cameron's videos, it's the usual christian apologetics anti-atheist rhetoric, just repackaged in the usual Cameron way. He brought nothing new to the table, especially nothing atheists have not heard before. It's the usual rhetorical video from Cameron designed to make a splash, get lots of views, and drive up his engagement numbers. It's not a serious philosophical position.
( ｀д´) The universe was created in 1976. It is too hot to make a universe at the time of the big bang. It can be created at anytime. God is slow and easy. A human can do a lot with their lifespan. I got the hunk. God got the chunk. Everyone else can have the rest. That is song spirit of ''76 by The Alarm.
Cameron.... holy shit. The best argument against theism is that god doesn’t exist, which you cannot accept. You absolute melon. Ten years!? Ten years pass when you first have this thought and you never stopped to think that this argument can be turned against you?
Lol. The guy doesn't take your seriously and you respond by taking time to make a video. Clearly one person is asking for attention and it ain't Cameron
He is a christian apologist who is (unlike cameron) philosophically educated. He made this video because he is embarrassed by Christians being representing by people like Cameron.. Ah
I'm kind of with Cameron here. Atheism seems more and more like a rejection of the Principle of Sufficient Reason. So I can't really see how it can be justified. It boils down to "things exist due to no cause." That isn't true of any things in our world and seems like a huge improbability, if not impossibility of the cosmos.
Atheism, in the broadest sense, is simply an absence of belief in the existence of deities. It has nothing to do with whether things exist or not. It has nothing to do with the universe. It has nothing to do with cause and effect.
@@amaizenblue44 Exactly, you get it. There is a logical necessity of such a thing. Things either exist because of some other thing, or because it is their nature to exist, and therefore they exist necessarily. That is what we call God. And creation is everything else.
@@tonywallens217 How convenient that your assertion, which has zero explanatory power, can't be demonstrated and has a built-in excuse to avoid providing any sort of useful answer.
I dont see how anybody can take atheism any more seriously than your average "brain in a vat" hypothesis honestly. My definition of take seriously. So far beyond the realm of plausibility that it resides in the same realm as "aliens stole my car keys".
@@harlowcj No, synonymous would not be the correct term. I do not think thought requires a supernatural creator or a supernatural aspect. It's all natural, as determined by neuroscience.
@@ziploc2000 Can you elaborate? It can't be determined by neuroscience, as that is the field of study of the nervous system and not a causal agent. Do you mean that it is determined by the laws of physics? And if so, what makes it different from a physically determined effect?
@@harlowcj Causal agent? You think there needs to be one, I don't, beyond the the being possessing the brain. here's your homework - look up the definition of synonymous, look up the definition of Neuroscience, and then have a conversation with a Neuroscientist. We're done here, Bye!
I haven't taken Cameron seriously in years. He's part troll, part pseudo intellectual and also part Alex Jones / part Frank Turek
I used to watch some of his videos until he started complaining publicly about how much money he was losing. Nobody is entitled to making a living as a TH-camr.
Capturing Clicks
I think the fact that it apparently took Cameron 10 years to realize that the problem of evil can be countered by decreasing the power of god tells us a lot about how seriously we ought to take Cameron.
Its pretty complicated to know which of the supernatural capabilities of a supernatural entity to remove....
How will you ever know if it's the right one?
😂
In the stories of the Bible God very often doesn’t seem to know the future.
Obviously that would make it very hard to figure out which actions would reduce or even ultimately defeat evil and which would make everything much worse in the end.
But I am pretty sure that Cameron doesn’t like this explanation.
@@oscargr_ I'm sure he will figure it out in time. Since it took him only 10 year to figure that limiting gods power could counter the argument from evil.
Perhaps in another decade he will figure out the divine hiddenness can be undermined by denying that god wants a relationship with humans, or that the Euthyphro dilemma can be answered by just picking a horn.
Stay tuned more groundbreaking philosophical insights from the great mind behind Capturing Christianity - Eventually.
Reducing the power of god invalidates the ontological argument, if one is fond of that one. Though Cameron is a catholic, and the official doctrine doesn’t support that argument.
@@lfelssordnry Isn't that the one in which you imagine god into existence?
Its savable. God could still be the greatest, just not 100% great.
Goff has now told Cameron that the greatest imaginable being doesn't have to be perfect in every sense.
I appreciate you addressing this. I was taken back by Cameron’s video. I closed out his video not being able to take him seriously.
After 10 years of study he got his phd in confirmation bias
phd = phony degree
Major: confirmation bias, minor: sunk cost fallacy.
@@thomasseichter5670 good one :D
Once he started regularly interviewing exorcists on his channel, I very much stopped taking him seriously. Given that he kept talking about money trouble up until he made this shift, I think it’s reasonable to assume he sold out his integrity for popular woo. Most apologists do, eventually.
Don't forget the Shroud of Turin nonsense too lol
Yeah he sold his soul to wealthy Catholic donors, I would be genuinely shocked if that wasn't the driving force behind his conversion, whether he realizes it himself or not.
I noticed his new video saying that Alex O’Connor was “EMBARRASSED” in his podcast with the Knechtles. It’s very sad how he has gotten to the point of even insulting former friends who are atheist/agnostic in hopes to garner more views of his videos.
The silver lining is that even from his own Christian audience, he's getting called out for that behavior. Maybe he will self-correct eventually when his videos start getting fewer views because disillusioned Christians start jumping ship. That would be sort of amusing to watch, if it happens.
The video is not on the discussion on alex podcast but the debate on Modern Day Debate. Definitely another clickbait title and it worked great for him. Rage farming is the easiest way to make money on social media.
Capturing Clicks
24:04 i mean this with no disrespect to you or your work (I think you approach the topic from a different perspective) but this seems to be the entire point of much of the apilogetics space. Its not meant to convert the non believer. It's meant as a comfort blanket to believers. "Yes, you kay have doubts. Maybe an atheist made a point that troubled you. But, Ive thought about this for 10 years and I don't doubt! Smart people think the way you do. Its ok to believe." Thinks like Keener's tome on miracles isn't so much meant to be read but to used be as a cudgel. "You don't think miracles happen? Well, have you read Keeners 1000 page work on it? No? Then you aren't sufficiently well informed and I can discard your view."
So when you can't refute the evidence for miracles, whine about it being used instead. Got it.
@patrickbarnes9874
a few questions:
Have you read all of keeners work?
Have you looked into responses to it?
There is what I think is an excellent resource responding to miracles and specifically Keener. It's a 9 hour video from Digital Gnosis in his Bad Apologetics playlist. Episode 20. Are you willing to watch it and listen to the response?
Cameron is just mad that atheism stopped taking him seriously long ago.
You might be right here.
The only time when Atheists still respond to him is when he makes an argument that is especially dumb.
Yes, because people take you guys seriously considering how many subscribers you have (sarcasm)
@@desertsand8778
You don’t have to point out that your comment was meant to be sarcastic when talking with Atheists because we are smart enough to understand the intention.
But you failed to understand that the point was that Atheists don’t take Cameron seriously because he rarely says anything worth responding to.
Even his subscribers don’t seem to care about his videos.
Maybe he will have to find a real job very soon.😂
@@ramigilneas9274 lol an atheist being smart? That's so pathetic to say that I feel a little sorry for you that you think that. Considering Capturing christianity gets over 100,000 views on a lot of his videos at least show people take him more seriously than this channel. Even Alex O conner has become agnostic and changed his views on christianity and I bet half his followers are christians trying to convert him. Face it the new atheist phase has died out and I'm just here to gloat. Is that christian of me? Maybe not but I rather not cast my pearls before swine
Hmmm. This seems ad hominem arguments. We can do better I am sure.
How exactly does one “study atheism”? For 10 years? 30 years?!? Atheism is a lack of dogma, tenets, creeds, etc. What are you studying?
people make positive arguments for atheism all the time
If an atheist is defined as someone who does not hold dogmatic beliefs, then no one could possibly be atheist. Atheism is simply the notion that specifically belief in god cannot be justified. It can be studied in terms of the arguments that atheists present to defend their position in the public debate they take part in.
@@Daniel_Jones Do you agree that the "problem of evil" is even one of those? What would the "best" one be?
read Bertrand Russell, or Lucretius. That's how.
"What are you studying?" The reasons for not believing. I spent 30 looking for any sign for the existence of any God and never found a thing.
Cameron's argument: the problem of evil is bad because I can move the goalpost.
Seems like he doesn't take God seriously.
the only get out of jail card for that one is to appeal to some form of epistemological nihilism. Which also just so happens to be the error bar for every possible claim, logical argument, anything!
It’s just more probable that god isn’t giving kids cancer for 5 billion IQ reasons.
Atheist TH-camrs seen to have largely stopped talking about CC for a while. I think it's pretty clear people have stopped taking him seriously.
"The intellectual side of Christianity" (per his old branding) is toooooohhhhtallly demon possessions
His video calling Alex O'Connor's debate with the Knechtles "embarrassing" is full of comments from christians calling Cameron out for clickbait and being dishonest. His response was along the lines of "wow there are a bunch of atheists raging out".
I saw Cameron's video in my feed. Couldn't even be bother to click on it.
It’s not a good sign when someone has spent so long in their bubble that they no longer understand how someone could intelligently disagree with them.
Edit: Does this mean Cameron will be shutting down his channel? After all, if atheism isn’t to be taken seriously, why do we need full time TH-cam apologists?
Perfect! I can see title now....
"The Last Christian Apologetics Video You Will Ever Need to Watch!"
Hows he in his bubble he hosts atheist on his shows quite frequently thats not a bubble
12:23 What he says here is false, there are many arguments for theism that if true would not necessarily show a god exists, in fact most cosmological arguments are that way.
He switched to being Catholic without changing his beliefs about God. I don't think he takes any of this seriously.
He studied "I don't believe your supernatural claim"... for 10 years?
Wow
Evangelical apologetics is actually simple:
"We don't know how this happen . . . therefore God."
"I am not able to understand this . . . therefore God."
"I will not look beyond what my theology states . . . therefore I keep my faith."
"The world excludes the possibility of a spiritual realm . . . therefore they are anti-intellectual."
"Buy my book, buy my course, support my cause."
You forgot a step, I can't believe this could happen without my Gawd, therefore God.
But surely the reason why he or any Christian doesn't take atheism seriously is because he has a personal relationship with God?
How can one tell the difference between a relationship with god, or a complex relationship we’ve created in our mind?
Christians don’t have a ‘relationship’ with God. This is easily shown by the fact that they sometimes doubt his existence. One can’t be in relationship with someone one isn’t certain exists.
10 years. He’s generous. It took me only 10 minutes to stop taking him seriously
Yes. Atheism is so completely lacking in any intellectual merit whatsoever it shouldn't take more than a single evening of research to toss it in the garbage where it belongs. The fact that it took Cameron so long to figure it out doesn't speak well of him.
The last minute of this is brilliant, at once a devastating dismissal and a vision of how dialogue should be.
Is this actually a solid logical Christian apologetics channel? Wow that’s a dying breed nice to find one in the wild.
His best argument is that theism is unfalsifiable? Okay Cameron🤦♂️
10 years of study, to show he doesn´t even understand what atheism is...
22:30 Ship of Theseus
He's back at it again - Michael Beverly makes truth and logic claims, but doesn't know where he gets his truth from. First he said the scientific method was his source of truth, but provided no evidence and changed his mind. He said his experience was his source of truth, then he said his reality was his source of truth and then he said his source of truth was Yudkowski's book, Rationality: AI to Zombies but could not provide any evidence to support any of them. He then said that good methodology would lead to truth, but could not identify a good methodology that proves atheism to be true. He then changed his mind again and said that it was evidence that would lead to truth. He then said it was the ancient texts of Sdlusluesx who left books of truth on the lost continent of Mu. Does he have any more ideas as to where he gets his truth from???? Will he now give us the 8th source for his truth?? Or does he yet have even more sources for his truth - let's ask him and find out?
@@JoBo301 "Michael Beverly makes truth and logic claims, but doesn't know where he gets his truth from" I was at target and caught Michael picking up a 6 pack of truth, so now you know.
"proves atheism to be true" Atheism is a claim about his belief, so unless you know how to mind read, the best you can get is to take his word of it or not.
Even if there is a God, He can still not know/believe in it.
I can’t take Cameron seriously because he doesn’t understand the burden of proof. It’s not on atheists to prove god, it’s on theists to demonstrate a god’s probability.
Another great video from Rauser. Bertuzzi thinks that whoever has the most arguments wins. In particular the indifference displayed by him and other Theists to both animal and human suffering is a disgrace.
Thank you for this. I heard it once asked of a preacher why he was so precise in his sermons. He responded that it was because he served a precise God.
I've no idea if this is true... but boy, it sure hit me when I first heard it.
So precise that he cocked up Earth 1.0 and had to wipe out almost all life in a global flood, and start again.... allegedly.
@@ziploc2000 I would disagree with your interpretation of events... a little inane if not obtuse with the "allegedly". There is more to Christianity than what you just presented to me. If that is what you have been told about Christianity, I feel badly for you.
Did you watch the video? It was literally about at least doing the minimum of being precise when arguing against a position you disagree with.
I don't take Capturing Christianity seriously ever since it turned into a silly clickbait channel about demons and the Shroud of Turin. Naturally this happened right after he posted about how he needed more money. I guess it's more profitable, but I don't know who watches that nonsense.
My bigger worry is that Inspiring Philosophy just posted a video about needing more money...
Grifters gotta grift.
I stopped taking Cameron seriously years ago.
I think it speaks volumes of how vapid atheists are that so very many of you left this same inane comment. No original thought whatsoever.
( `_ゝ´) This is an artistic proof of a created universe. When you paint a shadow it's the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white was so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it. Pigments have different rules than light. It took them thousands of years to get all the pigments they have now.
Do the attributes of God exist because we Know them or do they exist because that is the only way a god could hypothetically exist. If the latter, you don't Know anything about "God".
Is Cameron (and implicitly Randal) assuming that atheism is the claim that a god does not exist rather than the assertion that there is not sufficient reason to believe in a god?
I note also that Cameron has just written off (amongst other faiths) most of Buddhism. I assume he has spent a substantial portion of these last ten years studying these faiths.
The philosophical use of Atheism is the position that no gods exist so I imagine that’s how it’s being used
I lean atheist myself and that’s how I use it
@@justdavelewis Yes I was aware that was the case. It puzzles me a little since this technical use of the word fails to include the psychological reality of many who identify as atheists. I am not sure though that this is exactly what is happening here with Cameron.
@@martifingers I think the philosophical use of agnosticism fits the colloquial use of Atheism quite nicely - being neither convinced of god's existence or non-existence
With Cameron, idk, i think he would just say that Buddhism is false because it posits that there is no god or something like that.
I think most take the position of agnostic atheist - I don't believe there is a god, but I don't claim knowledge about there not being a god
@ IMO, adding the knowledge caveat to an “I don’t believe” position is kinda useless cos if you don’t believe something you definitely don’t know it either lol
It would make more sense to apply the gnosis=knowledge if one was to say “I believe there’s no god but I wouldn’t claim knowledge”
I stopped using the words that way a few years ago now cos I felt the way they weren’t as useful as conveying peoples actual positions as the philosophical terms
Butcher: "I studied veganism for 10 years, I can no longer treat it seriously"
Very good points.
It's also an odd statement because it's not reflective in the wider issue of apostasy. When I have spoken to former Christians/Muslims the most common reason for their deconstruction and leaving their faith are related to concerns to do with the evil and suffering in the world.
Unlike Cameron - not everyone thinks that theodicies and reducing God's powers are successful at reconciling the evil and suffering in the world.
Did anyone ever take Cameron seriously?
The feeling is mutual. Has been for a long time. He knows he's lost the argument.
( ・`д・´) Consciousness is the particle and wave double slit experiment. The cones and rods of your eyes preserve the particle and wave duality so your vision don't look like a flat screen television. It's supposed to be a violation of physics but it is the only exception in the whole universe.
So after 10 years you still don’t understand atheism. It’s not a hypothesis. It is a position that theism has not met its burden of proof which it hasn’t. Otherwise? There would be only one theist position because it’s been proven.
(＃￣З￣) We need to popularize the idea of getting God married. Getting God married is a good use of someone's time. You are supposed to make the environment intelligent so no God is needed. We fixed the video and audio for the best experience possible. Cameras are supernatural and all of them captured 3D that not a gimmick. The audio loud don't make violence so has depth. Nobody has to buy anything for it to work.
Cameron's manufactured justification for no longer responding to challenges to his worldview from atheists. Probably doesn't want his viewers exposed to rebuttals that may seem more probable than the ancient theistic worldviews, explanations, apologetics.
I saw his video when it came out and was just constantly shaking my head. Complete embarrassment of a channel now, gone downhill
Hes a joke.. he left me a comment and i think banned me from commenting on his posts because i kept posting an original argument that consistently got engagement but nobody was refuting
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@EnglishMike .. nice, thanks.. that was yrs ago.. don't even care anymore 😀
@@Channelyt0 No problem!
@@EnglishMike .. by the way.. the argument i made was how Jesus said "look at the birds of the air.. they don't gather food into barns, and still theyre fed" .. i pointed out how theres literally a bird called a "barn owl" which stores its food in barnes 😀 and iirc, it existed back in Jesus' time and region..
Im a Christian.. and I can reconcile that apparent error.. but the Christians there were giving such weak rebuttals 😀 (i wasn't a Christian at the time of running that argument)
Cameron is simply struggling to create new content that gets any views.
And like every good content creator he knows that clickbait, ragebait and carzy stuff gets the most engagement.
But I don’t know if copying Justin Brierley (if that’s how it’s written) will help him much.
Because Justin already said the same nonsense and told us why after 10 years of hosting debates with Atheists he is still a Christian.
Well it's hard to avoid the fact that once people reach their mid-20s, it's rare for anyone to change their belief system. The vast majority of the decline in Christianity in the US is generational -- i.e. young people who, by their mid-20s have chosen to reject the faith of their parents.
Also the opportunity cost of publicly ditching your faith after years of making a living making content about it is huge, which is scary enough to want to avoid thinking about the possibility. Paul Ens (Paulogia) lost his wife, his children, his friends and his job when he became an atheist, and that was before he had any public exposure on TH-cam. Cameron took a risk by converting to Catholicism, but he was already losing money after losing his major donor, so there was little to no opportunity cost to worry about in his case, and if you want to be cynical, perhaps he saw it as a way to solve his financial woes, even if it didn't work until he fully committed to producing clickbait content.
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Converting to Catholicism looked more like a business decision and there are way too many examples where Cameron was very dishonest.
I am not saying that he is lying about being a Christian but I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t believe half of the stuff he says.
Cameron is a good guy. I have a lot of respect for him. But, I do think he has been bitten by the “click bait” bug. The fact that made a video about God saving Trump from the assassination attempt and that Trump will now become a Christian, made me realize how far he had fallen. It’s disappointing because he has such a great opportunity to really make great content. And he has made great content!
He makes videos lying to people telling them God exists… using your platform to spread lies is not being a good guy… but if you think that’s worthy of respect, then that says volumes about your character
This guy and 2 other apologists live video randomly came up on my feed. They were calling Alex O'Connor a moron. Wwwhat!? The guy that's constantly destroying apologists is a moron. Pffff
I was on the earlier ones to comment on that video. I had an interesting retort.
I stopped taking Bertuzzi seriously once he sold his soul to Catholic donors and viewers in exchange for money. Before then he was alright, but ever since, I just can't really see him as a serious philosopher or a serious academic or a serious anything... except for maybe being a serious sell-out.
How do you prove "I don't believe your supernatural claims" not true?
by making a strawman about what atheism is, duh :D
Like most of Cameron's videos, it's the usual christian apologetics anti-atheist rhetoric, just repackaged in the usual Cameron way. He brought nothing new to the table, especially nothing atheists have not heard before. It's the usual rhetorical video from Cameron designed to make a splash, get lots of views, and drive up his engagement numbers. It's not a serious philosophical position.
CC has been a joke for a long time. It just took some time for people to finally realize it.
I feel like he started out as an ‘honest’ apologetics channel. He’s turned into a hack.
( ｀д´) The universe was created in 1976. It is too hot to make a universe at the time of the big bang. It can be created at anytime. God is slow and easy. A human can do a lot with their lifespan. I got the hunk. God got the chunk. Everyone else can have the rest. That is song spirit of ''76 by The Alarm.
Cameron.... holy shit.
The best argument against theism is that god doesn’t exist, which you cannot accept.
You absolute melon.
Ten years!?
Ten years pass when you first have this thought and you never stopped to think that this argument can be turned against you?
you shouldn't take Camerons seriously if you don't want.. its not what he meant/ but you should take hate seriously/ that's for sure.
which he doesn’t, because he continues to make propaganda
Lol. The guy doesn't take your seriously and you respond by taking time to make a video. Clearly one person is asking for attention and it ain't Cameron
He is a christian apologist who is (unlike cameron) philosophically educated. He made this video because he is embarrassed by Christians being representing by people like Cameron..
Ah
I'm kind of with Cameron here. Atheism seems more and more like a rejection of the Principle of Sufficient Reason. So I can't really see how it can be justified. It boils down to "things exist due to no cause." That isn't true of any things in our world and seems like a huge improbability, if not impossibility of the cosmos.
Atheism, in the broadest sense, is simply an absence of belief in the existence of deities. It has nothing to do with whether things exist or not. It has nothing to do with the universe. It has nothing to do with cause and effect.
Amusing, considering your end game is something that exists without a cause.
@@amaizenblue44 Exactly, you get it. There is a logical necessity of such a thing. Things either exist because of some other thing, or because it is their nature to exist, and therefore they exist necessarily. That is what we call God. And creation is everything else.
Atheism is all about insisting there's no answer, even when the necessity of an answer has been conclusively demonstrated.
@@tonywallens217 How convenient that your assertion, which has zero explanatory power, can't be demonstrated and has a built-in excuse to avoid providing any sort of useful answer.
I dont see how anybody can take atheism any more seriously than your average "brain in a vat" hypothesis honestly.
My definition of take seriously. So far beyond the realm of plausibility that it resides in the same realm as "aliens stole my car keys".
I feel the same way about Theism.
@ziploc2000 Do you believe that your thoughts are synonymous with a physically determined effect?
@@harlowcj No, synonymous would not be the correct term.
I do not think thought requires a supernatural creator or a supernatural aspect. It's all natural, as determined by neuroscience.
@@ziploc2000 Can you elaborate? It can't be determined by neuroscience, as that is the field of study of the nervous system and not a causal agent. Do you mean that it is determined by the laws of physics? And if so, what makes it different from a physically determined effect?
@@harlowcj Causal agent? You think there needs to be one, I don't, beyond the the being possessing the brain.
here's your homework - look up the definition of synonymous, look up the definition of Neuroscience, and then have a conversation with a Neuroscientist.
We're done here, Bye!
Good video -- I think you made the same points as me but clearer and shorterer