M3 is such a massive upgrade for the skill. Being able to hit 4 targets with true damage is a really strong skill just because True damage just bypass almost every mechanic in the game. The SP cost and SP cd on deployment is similar to Silver Ash, so her S3 can be use similarly to Silver Ash S3, though unlike Silver Ash S3 having massive range and can hit flying target, Vina is allowed to actually block enemies that is surrounding her and does better damage against high def enemies. The skill is basically also, in a way, a better design version of NtRK S3 since Vina don't need to block her target to deal true damage and her area is to apply true damage is much more forgiving.
Literally this, Ppl so hyperfixated on the numbers they forget true damage ignores alot of bullshit like DR and dodge. Not to mention its one of the true damage sources that has almost no draw back like atk decay on kaltsit or needing to be blocked. Either wisadel brainrot or just the avg iq of arknights players. take a pick i guess.
Damage reduction have been such a prevelant feature in bosses that I appreciate any form of True Damage and Siege have the easiest meaningful application of it so far. Aak + Vina S3 can probably melt most ground bosses through any of their gimmick mechanic, be it dodge or damage reduction.
considering she can also attacks enemies that are blocked outside her 8 surrounding tiles, I'd say it's a pretty massive range, almost like Saria S2 :'v
@@sempie2919elemental damage functions identical to true damage to basically every current enemy in the game and we have a bazillion ways to apply it so its not that relevant. Even before nymph or virtuosa true damage was sporadically useful at best.
@@tibbiesthehawk Elemental damage is just cope true damage and its application isnt straight forward and we are lucky HG isnt doing Virtuossa a disservice yet by adding Elemental res also you have to go through the fall out for it to do something. And the other units before Siege had some quirky drawback. True damage is not a general solution but who cares. With the current state of generalist operators. What does it do to add more. I'd take Units that can specifically make a mechanic less of a headache anyday
Well, yes and no. With Vina talents, she gets better if she is surrounded by allies which S3 make it easier by summoning the lions but it is not needed for the rest of the skill if she is surrounded by other operators. But that also means you would have to cluster around her and tiles where you can't deploy anything are more of her weakness.
@@Troytaicho so she's the vanguard of vanguards for other defenders that are beside and behind her ... basically leading the siege against attackers attacking said "wall" Vina.
*my brain after seeing this* siege: arise *arthur proto has been summoned, artoria saber has been summoned, artoria caster has been summoned, bianca pgr has been summoned, artoria lancer has been summoned, mhx ha been summoned, mhxx has been summoned* truly lioness
Quite balanced actually, basically a better Nearl alter s3 but the downtime and actual total damage not being that high balances it compared to top meta guards but thats for the good anyway. True damage is less of a big deal than it sounds as we are long past needing True damage already with massive numbers and influx of Elemental damage taking its place instead but she works wonderfully as a front line unit to shut down an entire lane wich is very cool. Overall a very balanced character, i would say shes a bit below Ulpian but above Pepe
@@John-el5sv more and more common??? Where??? Last dodge orianted boss was 2 years ago??? If anything, they are making damage windows shorter and DR higher, dodge is only somewhat seen on elite tier enemies and even there its not even a problem.
The only pure true damage skill in the game, no costs or requirements, ppl are being so selfish asking for more than this, NTR needs to block to deal TD, kaltsit's monster's atk decays like so fast, amiya gets killed or can TD only once per battle, hers not only can be AoE but also no requirements at all, her normal atk basically turns to TD for long duration, very wide range, and 4 enemies, i wish ppl stop being greedy, wisadel is enough of a hyperburst, and she do have small drawbacks too, caring about numbers and forgetting what true versatility and utility is, only mid/bad doctors calls this lion beast mid/bad
@@sorashizen5130Ah you mentioned “she has no requirements and has normal attacks with multi target and wide range” so I thought you might not have realized she does have a requirement for the wide range aspect at least.
@@slonik0002 oh yes I meant her normal atks need no requirements to do true damage, on top of that she has more bonus which is wide range but certainly needs to be blocked
Her s3 is perfectly strong enough, but her s2 numbers are insanely dissapointing imo. Worse dps than even some of the oldest afk skills, let alone modern ones. I would have loved to utilise a skill like Vina s2, but the numbers don't justify even considering masteries.
Why people remember that nearl alter S3 exist since siege alter announcement? But yeah she did powercreep her S3 but Nearl isn't completely dead because her S2 still have usage.
Siege alter s3 can hit targets blocked by her lions even if they're outside of her normal/extended range why does other operators with similar summon/deployables don't work like that? e.g. Rosmontis's shields can be deployed on the edge of her attack range, and block enemies outside of her attack range :L
@@MHsZv wow then that's pretty amazing, instead I'm seeing all the complains about her lower true damage and about needing space to deploy her lions and cooldown.
@@John-el5svIssue kinda is that we don’t really need multi target true damage, usually we just have one annoying boss to focus down, not several. NTR S3 or Kal was enough for that in the past. If we get more scenarios where it’s useful it’ll probably receive more praise.
Siege alter is definitely good. There are people who are calling Vina mid because of Wis'adel brainrot, she was made to be overpowered on purpose for cash grabbing. Siege alter made more sense. Vina is for sure better than Viviana at the very least LOL!
Being better than Viviana is such a letdown lmao. She's a good operator for sure. But nothing groundbreaking like Mlynar or degenbrecher. Not too mention her long ass cool down compared to many modern ops. Considering what we'll have in the next 6 months she'll worth the pulls. I mean, Pepe is so pepega 🤣 Problem is always, Guard is the most saturated class. And to make an op very unique and strong, well it's pretty hard 😅
@@BorneoRain-l1j To be honest despite being a limited character, I'm not that interested in Pepe. As what you've mentioned, the guard class is already saturated. I'm more excited about Narantuya since I'm having fun using Capper for low rarity clears. I believe HG should create whole new classes, since most classes are very saturated at this point. Arknights is a 5 year old game, despite being more balanced compared to other gacha games, powercreep will only get worse. Adding new classes will probably alleviate some problems in my opinion.
@@macsenpai7006 Creating new main classes wouldn't do much as they already cover all main aspects. The subclasses however should be more distinctly different, the last few guard subclasses have minor difference (mostly in stats) but in practice used quite similiar as multi hit ground units. The sniper subclass of Casper was very different from the others so that was a fresh breath of air for snipers.
@@BorneoRain-l1j The game braker mlynar you mentioned has only 8 less sp cost than her I don't understand how you call vina not top tier she's definitely at their lvl Two true damage skills without drawback A general great infinity skill for wave clear Multitarget true damage without any drawbacks and guess what free blockers around her In top of all these she has disarm and a decent buff as talents
@@MHsZvShe is definitely not at their level, they’re just so broken. Mlynar’s range is massively larger than hers, he’s cheap to deploy, deals way more damage easily thanks to his massive DPH, and has a bunch more minor things that stand out. Degen is able to just nuke everything near her very quickly on a fast rotation, not to mention scaling insanely well with buffs and applying Tremble properly unlike Vina, and being invincible during her skill too. And importantly they are brain dead to reach peak potential as you just need to use skill. Vina needs to have proper positioning, even deployment direction to apply Tremble exactly when you need it, and can be hampered by map design or tile bans too. Also I wouldn’t say her S1 doesn’t have any drawbacks, it’s a skill without charges, minor true damage, narrow range, on a 1 block unit. Doesn’t seem great outside of spinach + true crown IS runs or Ch 10 slugs. Not to mention Vina’s lions have poor stats for difficult content as well.
Hate everything about this character. Dogshit design with abilities from 2021. I've literally waited almost half a decade for Siege alter and this garbage is what I get.
@@Lulu_Gaming1025Not hating on her like that guy, but she does less DPS than Blaze with S2 (and no RES ignore and -1 target count among a few other niches), and her Lions are nowhere near Ling level. Unfortunate this player is upset though.
@@Lulu_Gaming1025 don't bother, we entered the era of Wisa'del Brainrot, if the operators that come out now aren't crazy insane busted as her with nearly no drawbacks at all, then they're all trash, according to this player at least and many others I've seen.
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"Recon, strategize, deploy, then... the Siege." 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
Get up! There will be no bending of the knee! 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
say that again...
*Besiege
whoever made that line deserve a raise
I like the part where Vina Victoria said "Recon, Strategize, deploy, then... the Siege" and then proceeds to siegeing all over the places.
Infinite duration, expand attack range, true damage, summon. Close enough, welcome back NTRKnight
She's not an Arts Guard. She's a True Guard
6:34 Rest in Peace, you served your purpose Logos.
He literally didn't💀
Logos the Unwanted.
Logos: Why did I get taken down by that cat?!
Rosmonstis and Suzuran: first time?
M3 is such a massive upgrade for the skill. Being able to hit 4 targets with true damage is a really strong skill just because True damage just bypass almost every mechanic in the game. The SP cost and SP cd on deployment is similar to Silver Ash, so her S3 can be use similarly to Silver Ash S3, though unlike Silver Ash S3 having massive range and can hit flying target, Vina is allowed to actually block enemies that is surrounding her and does better damage against high def enemies.
The skill is basically also, in a way, a better design version of NtRK S3 since Vina don't need to block her target to deal true damage and her area is to apply true damage is much more forgiving.
Literally this, Ppl so hyperfixated on the numbers they forget true damage ignores alot of bullshit like DR and dodge. Not to mention its one of the true damage sources that has almost no draw back like atk decay on kaltsit or needing to be blocked. Either wisadel brainrot or just the avg iq of arknights players. take a pick i guess.
Damage reduction have been such a prevelant feature in bosses that I appreciate any form of True Damage and Siege have the easiest meaningful application of it so far.
Aak + Vina S3 can probably melt most ground bosses through any of their gimmick mechanic, be it dodge or damage reduction.
considering she can also attacks enemies that are blocked outside her 8 surrounding tiles, I'd say it's a pretty massive range, almost like Saria S2 :'v
@@sempie2919elemental damage functions identical to true damage to basically every current enemy in the game and we have a bazillion ways to apply it so its not that relevant. Even before nymph or virtuosa true damage was sporadically useful at best.
@@tibbiesthehawk Elemental damage is just cope true damage and its application isnt straight forward and we are lucky HG isnt doing Virtuossa a disservice yet by adding Elemental res also you have to go through the fall out for it to do something. And the other units before Siege had some quirky drawback. True damage is not a general solution but who cares. With the current state of generalist operators. What does it do to add more. I'd take Units that can specifically make a mechanic less of a headache anyday
The sad part of S3, she needs a big open area for it to worth. Corridor basically is her nemesis.
With her s3, she's basically a commander of small squad of army. Needing space to work but effectively works best in halting flood of enemies
Well, yes and no. With Vina talents, she gets better if she is surrounded by allies which S3 make it easier by summoning the lions but it is not needed for the rest of the skill if she is surrounded by other operators. But that also means you would have to cluster around her and tiles where you can't deploy anything are more of her weakness.
@@Troytaicho so she's the vanguard of vanguards for other defenders that are beside and behind her ... basically leading the siege against attackers attacking said "wall" Vina.
@@milleniumadam8643 Yeah, it's ironic that she is now the proper definition of a vanguard when her ingame class is not anymore.
*my brain after seeing this*
siege: arise
*arthur proto has been summoned, artoria saber has been summoned, artoria caster has been summoned, bianca pgr has been summoned, artoria lancer has been summoned, mhx ha been summoned, mhxx has been summoned*
truly lioness
>place akk
>I said THIS IS A SIEGE ALTER SHOWCASE
Quite balanced actually, basically a better Nearl alter s3 but the downtime and actual total damage not being that high balances it compared to top meta guards but thats for the good anyway.
True damage is less of a big deal than it sounds as we are long past needing True damage already with massive numbers and influx of Elemental damage taking its place instead but she works wonderfully as a front line unit to shut down an entire lane wich is very cool.
Overall a very balanced character, i would say shes a bit below Ulpian but above Pepe
It would have been better if they made her broken like W
@@Rodiacreed that's reserved for Kaltsit alter
@@user-mg4rc1qw6w kaltsit alter would go crazy.
@@kyarumomochi5146 main thing about true damage nowadays is that it's able to bypass dodge mechanics, which are becoming more and more common.
@@John-el5sv more and more common??? Where???
Last dodge orianted boss was 2 years ago???
If anything, they are making damage windows shorter and DR higher, dodge is only somewhat seen on elite tier enemies and even there its not even a problem.
I like it cuz it allows her to be a 3 block Arts Guard.
Best girl looking like a goddess 🦁👑🗡💛
I mean 50 SP cost so its justified
HG finally having reasonable sp costs is so refreshing
Holy crap, basically a true damage centurion with the multi-target. Yep, she's a must roll.
She may be the go to for True Damage now instead of Kal
I will be saving and pulling. She carried me so much when I started the game.
Same, siege gavial and frostleaf are the pillars of my squad since day 1
Finally a good Siege showcase.
Logos: "I, Logos Vi Kazdel, should orde-
Aaak: *Shut up*
Lappy alter's honest reaction:
The only pure true damage skill in the game, no costs or requirements, ppl are being so selfish asking for more than this, NTR needs to block to deal TD, kaltsit's monster's atk decays like so fast, amiya gets killed or can TD only once per battle, hers not only can be AoE but also no requirements at all, her normal atk basically turns to TD for long duration, very wide range, and 4 enemies, i wish ppl stop being greedy, wisadel is enough of a hyperburst, and she do have small drawbacks too, caring about numbers and forgetting what true versatility and utility is, only mid/bad doctors calls this lion beast mid/bad
You say it has no requirements but also say it has a wide range which is a requirement of needing to have enemies blocked near her.
@@slonik0002 her wide range is a bonus not requirement though?
@@sorashizen5130Ah you mentioned “she has no requirements and has normal attacks with multi target and wide range” so I thought you might not have realized she does have a requirement for the wide range aspect at least.
@@slonik0002 oh yes I meant her normal atks need no requirements to do true damage, on top of that she has more bonus which is wide range but certainly needs to be blocked
Her s3 is perfectly strong enough, but her s2 numbers are insanely dissapointing imo. Worse dps than even some of the oldest afk skills, let alone modern ones.
I would have loved to utilise a skill like Vina s2, but the numbers don't justify even considering masteries.
So, my investment after logos and walter is this Vina Panduwinata 😌 iykyk
looks pretty good
6:37 what happened to Logos, he disappeared after he died, it look like he can't be deployed anymore
logos is from map itself so after he dies he died :d
Ceobe snuck onto the map and ate him.
He's a predeployed unit like Rosmontis in M8-6
I don’t know. She seems pretty okay, just wish her sound effects were a bit different and her second talent had a different effect
thanks i think i have to save 300 rolls for sheep the healer now
NTRk RIP 😢
Yeah rip 🥲
but ntr more like S2
Why people remember that nearl alter S3 exist since siege alter announcement? But yeah she did powercreep her S3 but Nearl isn't completely dead because her S2 still have usage.
S2: Am I a joke to you?
S2 honestly feels like her main skill since it’s DPH and deployment limit ignore go crazy
NTR powercreep Viviana powercreep
Siege is sieging when she said she’d siege, by sieging as Siege during the siege.
Siege alter s3 can hit targets blocked by her lions
even if they're outside of her normal/extended range
why does other operators with similar summon/deployables don't work like that?
e.g. Rosmontis's shields can be deployed on the edge of her attack range, and block enemies outside of her attack range :L
Ngl to this day I still don't know her talent 2
apply disarm for 4s when attacking a target for the first time
This is Area True Damage? She is BROKEN
MDK at home:
Is this the first skill with multi target true damage? Nobody is saying it so im wondering
Not the first since weedy's s3 is also multitarget but as a completely functional skill yes it's the first
@@MHsZv wow then that's pretty amazing, instead I'm seeing all the complains about her lower true damage and about needing space to deploy her lions and cooldown.
@@John-el5svIssue kinda is that we don’t really need multi target true damage, usually we just have one annoying boss to focus down, not several. NTR S3 or Kal was enough for that in the past. If we get more scenarios where it’s useful it’ll probably receive more praise.
I love true damage bro. Just deny every mechanic.
Siege alter is definitely good. There are people who are calling Vina mid because of Wis'adel brainrot, she was made to be overpowered on purpose for cash grabbing. Siege alter made more sense. Vina is for sure better than Viviana at the very least LOL!
Being better than Viviana is such a letdown lmao. She's a good operator for sure. But nothing groundbreaking like Mlynar or degenbrecher. Not too mention her long ass cool down compared to many modern ops. Considering what we'll have in the next 6 months she'll worth the pulls. I mean, Pepe is so pepega 🤣
Problem is always, Guard is the most saturated class. And to make an op very unique and strong, well it's pretty hard 😅
@@BorneoRain-l1j To be honest despite being a limited character, I'm not that interested in Pepe. As what you've mentioned, the guard class is already saturated. I'm more excited about Narantuya since I'm having fun using Capper for low rarity clears. I believe HG should create whole new classes, since most classes are very saturated at this point. Arknights is a 5 year old game, despite being more balanced compared to other gacha games, powercreep will only get worse. Adding new classes will probably alleviate some problems in my opinion.
@@macsenpai7006 Creating new main classes wouldn't do much as they already cover all main aspects.
The subclasses however should be more distinctly different, the last few guard subclasses have minor difference (mostly in stats) but in practice used quite similiar as multi hit ground units.
The sniper subclass of Casper was very different from the others so that was a fresh breath of air for snipers.
@@BorneoRain-l1j The game braker mlynar you mentioned has only 8 less sp cost than her I don't understand how you call vina not top tier she's definitely at their lvl
Two true damage skills without drawback
A general great infinity skill for wave clear
Multitarget true damage without any drawbacks and guess what free blockers around her
In top of all these she has disarm and a decent buff as talents
@@MHsZvShe is definitely not at their level, they’re just so broken. Mlynar’s range is massively larger than hers, he’s cheap to deploy, deals way more damage easily thanks to his massive DPH, and has a bunch more minor things that stand out. Degen is able to just nuke everything near her very quickly on a fast rotation, not to mention scaling insanely well with buffs and applying Tremble properly unlike Vina, and being invincible during her skill too. And importantly they are brain dead to reach peak potential as you just need to use skill. Vina needs to have proper positioning, even deployment direction to apply Tremble exactly when you need it, and can be hampered by map design or tile bans too.
Also I wouldn’t say her S1 doesn’t have any drawbacks, it’s a skill without charges, minor true damage, narrow range, on a 1 block unit. Doesn’t seem great outside of spinach + true crown IS runs or Ch 10 slugs. Not to mention Vina’s lions have poor stats for difficult content as well.
How did Siege alter survive a cannon shot?
Eyja alter and Shu talents give her extra +18% HP
tiene más daño que surtr
Mid vina
Hate everything about this character. Dogshit design with abilities from 2021. I've literally waited almost half a decade for Siege alter and this garbage is what I get.
Wtf do you mean?! Her s3 has way better unconditional true dmg,s2 is arts blaze,and she has summons like ling,thats just greed at this point
@@Lulu_Gaming1025Not hating on her like that guy, but she does less DPS than Blaze with S2 (and no RES ignore and -1 target count among a few other niches), and her Lions are nowhere near Ling level. Unfortunate this player is upset though.
@@Lulu_Gaming1025 don't bother, we entered the era of Wisa'del Brainrot, if the operators that come out now aren't crazy insane busted as her with nearly no drawbacks at all, then they're all trash, according to this player at least and many others I've seen.