London Buses-Lewisham 1999
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- Another bus vid now, and a subscribers request, more from South East London. Taken in 1999 just before Titan's were due to be withdrawn we see them at work in Lewisham with Routemasters & the odd NV as well. If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!
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Wow. This is the old Lewisham station. Used to travel through here all the time as a kid, for school in Blackheath, and visiting family in Peckham and Camberwell.
London back then was so amazing especially those titan buses
Not just the Leyland Titans that time, but also there were also some Volvo Olympians on the 54 and the 75 and sometimes the Volvo Olympians which were normally for the 51 were also being used on the 89 that time
Love the sound of the ford cargo hard to believe that there is none of them left
I thought in 1999 that people drive the newer Iveco-Ford Cargos/EuroCargos and the newer Leyland Daf 45.150s instead
Yeah true but there was still plenty of the original ford cargo's around in 1999
@Darren Martin I thought HGVs working for a particular company swapped out their old trucks from the 1980s for newer ones from the 1990s
Another great video! Thanks for the upload. 👍🏼👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼
You're welcome. There will be more over time.....
I watched your video on Lewisham from 1991! This is just 8 years later and the difference!
Amazing how much it's changed! I used to drive the 185s there in 2002/03 and hardly recognised the place!
Some of these ended up in Manchester for UK North (now defunct) in 2001, painted all red but the top deck in blue.
Something i missed....
When you watch these videos quite a few people used these buses back then when the fares were 40p for a child and 70p for an adult now it's £2
its £1.65 for all now
Titans were still on the 185 in 2001. London Easylink even hired some of the Catford Titans from Stagecoach as they didn't have all their buses ready after the contract moved.
And by 2002 the Titans were back! Along with a hotchpot of other vehicles after London Easylinks went down. Blue Triangle was the emergency & then temporary contract holder and used their Titans & Metros along with various other operators vehicles contracted in to cover the route.
their still here in 2019 15 and 9 i seen other special onrs
Didn't realise there were that many Titans around in London as late as 1999. My local operator had a lot of ex London Titans, but by the late 90s just had a pair left used mostly on school work.
The ones with London Central & Stagecoach were all due for replacement at this time so this was a 'last gasp' trip to ride & film them.
Haha some of my buses Titan 1025 was a good bus
Titans were built to last unlike today’s buses
Yes, quality vehicles to drive. And as tough as a Routemaster to scrap unlike Metro's which soon came apart......
Aldenham really was the reason these vehicles looked fabulous back in the day. They look so tatty here...
Yes, LT generally did well in looking after their fleet. Between overhauls Aldenham would be doing re-paints on the fleet as well.
I miss my baby Titan buses, they were cute, sat on them since I was baby back in the 80’s to 2001 in east London.
I had a soft spot for Titans having worked on them twice in my time on public transport. Good, solid buses sadly missed.....
Soi Buakhao I know, I had dreams about them, one night before and few times in different months and years, I feel they are still in service, but it was a dream and they look cuter than the mobile big buses
I saw this ages ago but can't believe I didn't leave a comment.
Had a Titan party with this one and I could have been part of it 😢.
This 14xx RM could easily be made into late 80s condition with a lick of red paint, a pair of white roundels and a set of splitties. Sounded awesome.
I had just got back into videoing different buses again (had only being doing RMs, and then not too much of that in the mid to late 90s) by a mte who told me Titan's were disappearing fast! Went out to ride on the Bexleyheath ones and decided to go back out and film them plus those at Bromley & Catford!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus did you ride near the driver or the back lower saloon where three sound track plays like me? Upper deck is for the chumps.
@@jamesfrench7299 Yes, mostly at the front or above the engine at the back. Nothing like a bit of Gardner thrash!
Ah, the old Catford Titan ... I love them buses ... I did try to find your email but to no joy.
Click on my user name, and it brings up a home page. At the top, over the video uploads showing there is a bar with options, the far right hand one is 'about', click on that and on the page that appears is an option at the bottom to view my email address.
I miss my Titan buses
Makes me feel old I learned to drive in a Titan at Bexleyheath garage 1998 and still suffering ha ha
I like your sense of humour....i have some vid taken at BX garage from this day out, funnily enough it shows a trainer! I will have to upload at some point.......
Not as old as I feel... I used to travel to Lewisham regularly because my Nan lived on the “new”estate on Loampit vale (built around ‘65 and already gone). Back then there was no bus station. Terminating routes went to Renell st one side of the block with the Odeon cinema in it. There were stands round the corner in Molesworth st, opposite the side of the new Safeway store that stood on the southern bank on the quaggy, back then it was an ordinary 2 lane wide road. The crews used to go to the greasy spoon next to the cinema I know the 176 terminated there as that’s the one Id catch at Forest Hill, but can’t recall what other routes did. It’s crazy how unrecognisable it is now. All the buildings around there have gone.
@@warweezil2802 A lot of places around London have been 'improved' and areas totally rebuilt......I watched a tower block get built next to Upton Park station in the late 1960s.....and then watched it come down again in the early 1990s.....
Soi Buakhao I know what you mean, I have a friend who still lives on the Aylesbury in Walworth and they are already socially cleansing (gentrifying) that area, soon there will be nowhere for ordinary Londoners to live, it was one thing that drove me from the city of my birth, rents and mortgages are just ludicrous.
@@warweezil2802 I know what you mean, i no longer live there altough was born there. What was that estate behind the Elephant shopping centre? Last time i was there it had been pulled down and you could see from the New Kent Road to the Walwoth Road!....
I was 5 back then
Wow! Do you remember Titans at all?......I can remember buses from when i was 5, RTs on my local bus route.....
Nice video 👍 btw when will you upload the old footage of ilford what month exactly?, as you said you will do it over the summer.
Thanks for the remeinder, i have written it down and will sort it out for uploading before i go south next week to work at the Great British Beer Festival!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus cool I can't wait to see it ✌😂😁😁☺👌
Very nice
Thank you Peter. Did you ever get to drive a Titan? I know who've had lots of Metros!
Soi Buakhao Yes, we lost all except 8 of our Metros at MH in favour of Titans so drove them until the closure of MH. Preferred the Metro though.
@@BristolRE I found Titans to be a better drive plus of course there was somewhere to put your left foot!!!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Disagree there, Metro's had the foot rest and were a better drive, the Titans we had at MH had awful gear change and poor road holding in the wet.
@@BristolRE That 'foot rest' is actually a fan motor! It protrudes into the cab so there is nowhere to put your foot on the floor properly. Being rather tall i found Metros more awkward to drive. Titan gear changes depended on the system being looked after properly by the garage electrician, i'm guessing MH's was a good Metro man with years of experience but not so hot with probably the worst throw outs from other garages with the Titans (ask an engineer which bus/es to loose, he will always pick the worst of his fleet!)
Very nice!
Thanks, there will be more over time.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus great, I'm looking forward to them!
This is the same time Bluewater opened to the public and the buses on the 286 and the 428 were painted aquamarine blue
I have never seen them, must have looked different!
How does a Gardener engine sound so different in a Titan and Olympian????
When did the 36s start coming out of New Cross Garage?
Brian Masters Titans on the Sunday service from1987.
@@djpeekay25 Aha! I left in 1986.
Although today’s buses are good performance wise but are not robust like these old school buses
At the time these old school buses were not school buses but still normal, everyday workhorses!
Legend! I want a Titan :-(
They are fun to drive, much better than a Metro.
oh yes, i used to love driving titans, they held the road much better i thought than metros, metros were a bit wobbly for me. After they were withdrawn from slavecoach i followed them to Blue Triangle....happy days...jobs not the same anymore.
@@SimStream Have you ever been 'Kemal-ed'? Or did you keep the right side of him??? lol And yes, Titans were so much better to control, plus you actually had somewhere to put your left foot!!!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I was at Blue Triangle around 2002/2003, Kemal does ring a bell, was he a driver or controller...i can't remember..I remember them loosing a couple of titans, written off!! Came in for the early turn, had been a really windy night too... first bus on the 248..anyway, signed on and requested my titan as usual....went to go check the bus and get it ready and discover a container had been blown off the top of a stack and landed on the bus i was taking...whole roof caved in...written off. Seemed stranged at the time being in a container yard/bus garage in ferry lane. Was you at FL ?
@@SimStream Yes, several buses were written off that night, T 349 & 1055 plus M27 (top deck ended up in the bottom deck, it was damaged that bad!) T 8 was damaged but repaired with a roof off T36 and came back into service (and with no cab heaters as i recall!). Kemal was the night supervisor and Roger used him as his rottweiler to keep order!
damn im young. i did not know the 36 bus route terminated at lewisham
It used to go through to Hither Green Station until the early/mid 90s when it was cut back and the OPO 136 introduced. The other end was West kilburn, in later days called Queens Park Station. I'll try & find my route 36 vids at hither Green and get them up!
Before the 436 existed, 36 used to go Lewisham and 36 & 12 were the only bus in south east London with Routemasters
I thought Stagecoach Selkent and East London normally uses Volvo Olympians that time when we used to get them on the 53 and the 96
The Olympians in south east London were replaced first by Stagecoach who then drafted in Titan's displaced from east London by new low floor buses.
Stagecoach London still uses Volvo Olympians In 2001
@@lewisculverwellvlogs9789 I seem to recall the 51 was booked them but the odd Titan did still appear. The LT spec Olympians were withdrawn and replaced by Titans from east London, where the L's went i do not know? I think they were sold on rather than used elsewhere in the Stagecoach fleets, unlike the Titans which did get around the UK (i have vid of them in various places-future uploads i think!)....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus The Volvo Olympians are at Plumstead bus garage
@@lewisculverwellvlogs9789 They were the ones that had no fleet numbers when new? I recall some that were like that, might even have a couple on film, possibly on the 53s around Waterloo area.
No love for the single deckers... :(
I was there chasing Titans and left other vehicles alone.....
When I was younger I would think what kind of loser would film these things. 20 odd years on I am thankful people did.
Thank you..... I spent most of the late 80s & early 90s chasing Routemasters..... now i wish i had filmed all the buses running then.....
Didn't these Titans get replaced by ALX400 Dennis Tridents and Volvo BT7L Plaxton Presidents
Yes, when i filmed this the time for their replacements was drawing near.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus some Volvo Olympians for the 51 and the 492 at Bexleyheath sometimes works on all routes when the Titans are unavailable or working on the 51 and the 492
In 1999 6 Volvo Olympians were transferred to bexleyheath from docklands express to replace the Titans on the 492
This was the time North Greenwich Station opened to the public and the millennium dome opened at the same time
In 2000 London Central ordered Brand New Plaxton Presidents for Bexleyheath Bus Garage to replace the Titans on the 89, 229, 401 and 422 and later the Volvo Olympians on the 51 and the 492 the Titans were withdrawn in 2000, 2001 and then 2002 and the Volvo Olympians were withdrawn in 2004, 2005 and 2006 because of the low floor rule
My home town growing up lived off Loampit Vale and the train station and shopping centre was literally 15 minutes away. The 36 Route Master would stop just at the stop on Loampit Vale and Elswick Road . Great memories thank you for uploading.
My pleasure...... The area has changed massively twice since i've filmed this, as seen on these uploads th-cam.com/video/qQpqrUmsosA/w-d-xo.html and th-cam.com/video/qNB5tRxISdw/w-d-xo.html
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus yes it’s changed so much from when I lived and grew up there. Especially with the DLR and other developments. I do have photos from the 80’s I think.
When did the Titans get withdrawn on London Central?
The last ran in June 2003 on route 40.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus what about Bexleyheath
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus This was the same time when some of the Volvo Olympians was also withdrawn and used as training buses which comes out of all bus garages run by Go Ahead London
@@lewisculverwellvlogs9789 I have driven a few of those Go-Ahead blue ones, ex trainers and we had them on rail replacement work in 2007/08 time.
@@lewisculverwellvlogs9789 I was chasing these Titans (for video and rides) as they were due for replacement, so i'm guess most BX ones went in 2000, replaced by PVLs.
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