In this video you join me in Matt's tastefully modified MK3 Renault Sport Clio 200 - we talk about the car & how it compares to the legendary MK2 172/ 182 Clio!
If Porsche were to build a front wheel hot hatch it would be incredible, finally that all aluminium engine with 230bhp+ NA, proper double wishbone suspension etc etc 🤤
I went from a Clio 182 Cup (7 years) to a Clio Trophy (6 Months) into a 197 (3 Years) and now in a 200 Cup. The first time I drove an R27 I forgot about the Mk2’s. Down a good road it just felt so accomplished. I know a lot of people like the Mk2 but I don’t see it myself. Once you get one with the Recaros it starts to feel special to boot.
The MK2 & MK3 are very different cars to drive, think it really comes down to a personal preference (as said in the video i really enjoy both and they both have there own good and bad points) Would certainly like to try a 200 on track 😎
With the gear shift. I found changing all of the engine mounts (particularly the lower dog-bone mount) to more firmer ones can have a real positive effect on the standard factory gear lever. It feels soo much more precise and direct. Slots in to gear a bit like loading a bolt action rifle!
The fuel economy is not horrific don’t get me wrong, I was more pointing out my 4 litre V8 M3 will deliver 28-30mpg on a run and she’s a tank at 1,700kg’s in comparison to the Clios weight 😅 Overall really enjoyed driving the Clio 200 and can certainly see the appeal 😎
@@stoneautomotive oh 100% it’s dire for what the car is but then that isn’t what we buy performance cars for 😅 definitely a car that won’t be being sold on though I know I’d only regret it
Stumbled across your review, best one on the 200 so far. I have a old 850 t5 manual and with a few mods its ballistic in a straight line. But I miss the light weight revy nature of a good hot hatch. I'm not sure if I want to spend money on making the volvo turn or give in and get the go cart lol
Thanks & glad you enjoyed the video, if you’ve seen the other videos on the channel I’m a sucker for a Renault hot hatch 😬 You can’t beat these cars for NA thrills, certainly and it will certainly feel light in comparison to the Volvo - have both if the budget allows 😎
Good review and a very good point about being able to rev the car out all the way up to 3rd without worrying about speed cameras, and unmarked cars, etc. it's still moving at that point but in something like a turbo Megane RS 275, 300 or any of the modern hot hatches you are at 100mph in 3rd. I recently bought an 200 RS and have an i30N after owning a Megane 265 cup and the 200 is a cracking little car. Is it a bit lardy? Yes but no more so than a F56 Cooper S and the 200 handles so much better than the mini then you have the rev happy motor over the MCS 2L turbo which isn't worth revving over 5k.
Thanks & glad you enjoyed it 😎 Always hearing good things about the 130N, must get round to trying one 😬 Reviewed a tuned mini 3 a few weeks back, rapid but very boring in terms of driver engagement
Noice! U was going to buy 1 of these about 18 months ago id had a spell in an 05 golf gti and didn't get on with it £££'s but I went back to what I know and bought a bmw e91 msport!😉👍
@@stoneautomotive dead right my man in 2010 I bought a nice RENAULT 5 GT TURBO! boy I had some fun in that thing lol. Good thing happened to me yesterday, 1 of your videos came down my feed!. That started a trip down memory lane lol, cars n bikes id totally forgotten that I owned came flooding back, ive been reminiscing old friends past and present great bikes and i mean great bikes, great cars and crazy days i could go on and on 🤪.but what im trying to say is THANKYOU for bringing smiles to my face! Cheers brother!!!!
You’ll have no issue with the fuel consumption when you make the switch in that case 👍 They are brilliant fun Harry & I’m sure it will be worth the wait when you get one 😎
The reason why it feels slow at low rpm is because of the change of the exhaust line for aftermarket, if you change it, you need a good tune on the dyno, also to get rid of the hesitation at ~2500rpm. My 197 has OE muffler with custom midsection with sportscat, pulls really strong in the midrange RPM, perfect for twisty country roads where you do not want to rev out all the time, Honda better suited for that 😁
Still not great though considering the MK172/182 can manage 40+ mpg with a 5 speed gearbox 😅 Even more so as my 4 litre V8 M3 can manage 27+ MPG on a run
Think that's maybe the first 200 I've seen with the bump strips sprayed black. I've got a 200 Cup and thought this was too from the thumbnail, until I spotted the colour coded handles, the soft dash, fatter wheel with the buttons, electric mirrors...
They are heavier but the composure is better. The biggest plus everyone forgets is a big crash in a 182 you won’t be coming home, but in a 200 the safety was massively improved. It’s got 5 star for occupant safety in tests. That is a genuinely important thing to consider.
I can’t recall where Matt said he purchased them from but if you search “Renault Clio recaro seat frames” a few come up (Matt advised they actually lower the seat 50mm over stock 👍)
Really excellent video. I've had two 182s... really like my current 182 and was considering getting a 200 Cup. The box is the main thing that puts me off, that and the fact that good ones are edging towards £10K now. Given that my 182 is a fun toy for blasting about the place, it may be better off that I leave that itch unscratched. What do you think ? BTW they did do a 'special version' and that was the LHD Cup racer with the Sadev box. They don't come up for sale very often but when they do they're £25K-£30K :(
Glad you enjoyed the video 😎 I still prefer the MK2 172/182 for pure driver thrills and would have said stay with the MK2 but if you have seen the series we created on tuning the Clio 200 it changed my opinion 😅 Yep been fully aware of the Renault Sport cup cars running sequential’s, race cars only with only one being officially converted to a road car - awesome looking things but 30k buys you many other cars
Never actually driven a MK1 😕 Heard a lot of good things about them 👍 The Williams are certainly becoming a solid investment now, keep hold of them if you can 😎
@@stoneautomotive they live with my 2 Renault 5 gt turbos they aren’t going anywhere The mk1 has a lot of character brilliant little things Looks cool too with the wider bodywork
@@Evolve_windows awesome 👌 Was passenger in a 5 turbo many many years ago and was blown away by it! If your ever in the Heathrow area and fancy it getting one on the channel drop me a message (happy to just passenger - understand these are getting very collectible now)
As far as I was aware the entire Clio 200 range was capped at 7,400, just like the 172/182 High rpm does not favour the F4R due to piston speed & standard lifters/ springs don’t cope well.
@@lukinek66 he’s second one was the best 😎 video below - Renault Sport Clio 197 200 Tuning Engine Dynamics Part 3 th-cam.com/video/-Y1FrzkbbVI/w-d-xo.html
Agree the MK2 172/182 is certainly the better looking car, can’t deny there are some smart bits on the Clio 200 & the values for good ones have held solid
@@stoneautomotive I'd say front wings are the only thing I'd take from Clio 200 I'd want them on my 172/182 just for aesthetics possibly. These will never be collected because they fall into the ugly duckling category and the 172/182 is quicker as you know and the Mégane is quicker than them all that's why Renault didn't turbo the Clio because then they would never sell any Méganes but that being said id buy a 172/182 over them all just for fun factor and nimbleness.
What a ridiculous comment... a good one of these still go for 9k plus. I’ve owned two 182’s and now have a 200 and despite the 182 being a great car the 200 is all round better in every sense. Looks are subjective, but I think the 200 is much more purposeful and special looking than the 182 because it’s so much different to the standard car.
@@Jordan-182 don't know what drugs your on mate or what planet your on but it certainly isn't planet earth. 9k on a Renault Clio 200....... any sensible man would buy a Mégane rs with that money.....on your bike kiddda
If Porsche made a hot hatch they would make a Clio. It would fit in the range nicely. Cayenne, Carrera, Cayman and Clio.
If Porsche were to build a front wheel hot hatch it would be incredible, finally that all aluminium engine with 230bhp+ NA, proper double wishbone suspension etc etc 🤤
Oh yes, that would be a treat. I’m sure they would do it justice. What’s the ac no.? placing deposit now😅
Definetly. A caman, a canamera and caytan
I went from a Clio 182 Cup (7 years) to a Clio Trophy (6 Months) into a 197 (3 Years) and now in a 200 Cup.
The first time I drove an R27 I forgot about the Mk2’s. Down a good road it just felt so accomplished.
I know a lot of people like the Mk2 but I don’t see it myself. Once you get one with the Recaros it starts to feel special to boot.
The MK2 & MK3 are very different cars to drive, think it really comes down to a personal preference (as said in the video i really enjoy both and they both have there own good and bad points)
Would certainly like to try a 200 on track 😎
I've had a 182 and now a 200 and have to say the 200 is way better but I also loved the 182
With the gear shift. I found changing all of the engine mounts (particularly the lower dog-bone mount) to more firmer ones can have a real positive effect on the standard factory gear lever. It feels soo much more precise and direct. Slots in to gear a bit like loading a bolt action rifle!
Great video ! These cars are budget Porsche’s . Great balanced package.
That certainly seemed the case at the Nurburgring a few years ago, you either had a Porsche or a Renault Sport Clio/Megane 😂
I’ve had low to mid 30s MPG on motorway runs in my 197 but the issue is that it’s too much fun to rev the thing out!
The fuel economy is not horrific don’t get me wrong, I was more pointing out my 4 litre V8 M3 will deliver 28-30mpg on a run and she’s a tank at 1,700kg’s in comparison to the Clios weight 😅
Overall really enjoyed driving the Clio 200 and can certainly see the appeal 😎
@@stoneautomotive oh 100% it’s dire for what the car is but then that isn’t what we buy performance cars for 😅 definitely a car that won’t be being sold on though I know I’d only regret it
My next car. Can't wait to get one.
i want one... but i dont know XD..... ill have ti get it with a credit.
@@MrTchupam buy one, you won't regret it. Had mine for a year before trading it in for a 7.5 Golf R.
Great review best I've seen on the 200
Thanks David 😎
Stumbled across your review, best one on the 200 so far. I have a old 850 t5 manual and with a few mods its ballistic in a straight line. But I miss the light weight revy nature of a good hot hatch. I'm not sure if I want to spend money on making the volvo turn or give in and get the go cart lol
Thanks & glad you enjoyed the video, if you’ve seen the other videos on the channel I’m a sucker for a Renault hot hatch 😬
You can’t beat these cars for NA thrills, certainly and it will certainly feel light in comparison to the Volvo - have both if the budget allows 😎
Good review and a very good point about being able to rev the car out all the way up to 3rd without worrying about speed cameras, and unmarked cars, etc.
it's still moving at that point but in something like a turbo Megane RS 275, 300 or any of the modern hot hatches you are at 100mph in 3rd. I recently bought an 200 RS and have an i30N after owning a Megane 265 cup and the 200 is a cracking little car. Is it a bit lardy? Yes but no more so than a F56 Cooper S and the 200 handles so much better than the mini then you have the rev happy motor over the MCS 2L turbo which isn't worth revving over 5k.
Thanks & glad you enjoyed it 😎
Always hearing good things about the 130N, must get round to trying one 😬
Reviewed a tuned mini 3 a few weeks back, rapid but very boring in terms of driver engagement
The Mégane RS 250, 265 and 275 all hit about 140 km/h in 3rd... the 225 with its longer gearbox did hit a bit more in 3rd
Great Video. You make me wanna buy one. Thank you for that.
Glad you enjoyed 😎 fantastic little cars 👌
Yes, the presenter:Driver is like a Salesman.
I bet that’s yr job bro 😎
Noice! U was going to buy 1 of these about 18 months ago id had a spell in an 05 golf gti and didn't get on with it £££'s but I went back to what I know and bought a bmw e91 msport!😉👍
The BMW’s are certainly a much better daily but you can’t beat the Renault Sports for the cheap fun driving thrills 😎
@@stoneautomotive dead right my man in 2010 I bought a nice RENAULT 5 GT TURBO! boy I had some fun in that thing lol. Good thing happened to me yesterday, 1 of your videos came down my feed!. That started a trip down memory lane lol, cars n bikes id totally forgotten that I owned came flooding back, ive been reminiscing old friends past and present great bikes and i mean great bikes, great cars and crazy days i could go on and on 🤪.but what im trying to say is THANKYOU for bringing smiles to my face! Cheers brother!!!!
Great to hear Andy - Petrol head life 😎😅
My 06 standard clio gets 28mpg !! this is my dream car
You’ll have no issue with the fuel consumption when you make the switch in that case 👍
They are brilliant fun Harry & I’m sure it will be worth the wait when you get one 😎
The reason why it feels slow at low rpm is because of the change of the exhaust line for aftermarket, if you change it, you need a good tune on the dyno, also to get rid of the hesitation at ~2500rpm. My 197 has OE muffler with custom midsection with sportscat, pulls really strong in the midrange RPM, perfect for twisty country roads where you do not want to rev out all the time, Honda better suited for that 😁
We cover this in the Clio 200 tuning series 😬
th-cam.com/video/T1eDaIQ8sYA/w-d-xo.html
33.5mpg on a run with the RS Tuner 98 RON map.
Still not great though considering the MK172/182 can manage 40+ mpg with a 5 speed gearbox 😅
Even more so as my 4 litre V8 M3 can manage 27+ MPG on a run
@@stoneautomotive I also had the e92 M3. Never saw great mpg. Didn’t care!
Think that's maybe the first 200 I've seen with the bump strips sprayed black. I've got a 200 Cup and thought this was too from the thumbnail, until I spotted the colour coded handles, the soft dash, fatter wheel with the buttons, electric mirrors...
🤷♂️
Hopefully you enjoyed the video even if the thumbnail was misleading 😅
@@stoneautomotive I did enjoy it, thank you - will watch it again. I'm considering going down the anthracite pack route including the bump strips.
So its around 200kg heavyer than the 172 Cup? Why can't I spell hoevy, heavye, more lardier.
180-200kg between a 172 Cup & Clio 200 Cup when I was looking on line - certainly a big weight difference for similar power output
They are heavier but the composure is better. The biggest plus everyone forgets is a big crash in a 182 you won’t be coming home, but in a 200 the safety was massively improved. It’s got 5 star for occupant safety in tests. That is a genuinely important thing to consider.
Great video mate, very true too. 💪
Thanks 😎
nice video, where can i find these plates for lowering the seats? or amy more information
I can’t recall where Matt said he purchased them from but if you search “Renault Clio recaro seat frames” a few come up (Matt advised they actually lower the seat 50mm over stock 👍)
th-cam.com/video/vnF8PDsamEg/w-d-xo.html
I really need to upgrade my clio 200 with those upgraded engine mounts or flexy. Please can you tell me where they're from I'd appreciate it.
Powerflex are the people you need to speak to about the engine mount inserts to remove the excessive movement 👍
K-tec racing offer these engine mounts. Exhaust manifold can be bought off ebay
Would be interesting to see you review a Peugeot 308 GTI 270
👍
Sadly I’m not at that stage where I’m passed the keys from big manufactures to have a play & review, maybe in time 👍
@@stoneautomotive
I'm planning on getting one if I do I'll let you know so you can review it 👍
@@the1beard 👍🙏
They had a Trophee version didn't they? How are they compared to the cup version?
Good review 👌
Thanks Tony 👍
Really excellent video. I've had two 182s... really like my current 182 and was considering getting a 200 Cup. The box is the main thing that puts me off, that and the fact that good ones are edging towards £10K now. Given that my 182 is a fun toy for blasting about the place, it may be better off that I leave that itch unscratched. What do you think ? BTW they did do a 'special version' and that was the LHD Cup racer with the Sadev box. They don't come up for sale very often but when they do they're £25K-£30K :(
Glad you enjoyed the video 😎
I still prefer the MK2 172/182 for pure driver thrills and would have said stay with the MK2 but if you have seen the series we created on tuning the Clio 200 it changed my opinion 😅
Yep been fully aware of the Renault Sport cup cars running sequential’s, race cars only with only one being officially converted to a road car - awesome looking things but 30k buys you many other cars
It's a great hot hatch !!
😎
at this age the suspension is expensive to replace and rusty bolts all over.
Indeed, the handle really well but the MK2 Clio sport suspension parts are certainly a lot cheaper 😅
Red only start after 8000rpm in South africa
Also don't forget Heavy metal toxicity Doc!
What you think of the original clios mate ?
The 1.8 16v and the Williams?
Iv got both absolutely love them
Never actually driven a MK1 😕
Heard a lot of good things about them 👍
The Williams are certainly becoming a solid investment now, keep hold of them if you can 😎
@@stoneautomotive they live with my 2 Renault 5 gt turbos they aren’t going anywhere
The mk1 has a lot of character brilliant little things
Looks cool too with the wider bodywork
@@Evolve_windows awesome 👌
Was passenger in a 5 turbo many many years ago and was blown away by it! If your ever in the Heathrow area and fancy it getting one on the channel drop me a message (happy to just passenger - understand these are getting very collectible now)
@@stoneautomotive Iv got one with a 172 turbo engine in it is pretty savage
I’m in Suffolk could do a road trip in nicer weather mate 👌
@@stoneautomotive you’d have to drive to get the real experience
Is it a england thing mine in South Africa goes straight to 8000rpm and the red only start after red
As far as I was aware the entire Clio 200 range was capped at 7,400, just like the 172/182 High rpm does not favour the F4R due to piston speed & standard lifters/ springs don’t cope well.
Coool!
😎
so.. what are the tires????
Been a long time since I filmed this one so pass I’m afraid 🤷♂️
what is modified on the vehicle
So long ago now I can’t remember sadly
@@stoneautomotive I understand, thanks for the reply anyway. it went beautifully from the video.
@@lukinek66 he’s second one was the best 😎 video below -
Renault Sport Clio 197 200 Tuning Engine Dynamics Part 3
th-cam.com/video/-Y1FrzkbbVI/w-d-xo.html
@@stoneautomotive I also have a Clio RS 200. I see this video for the third time 😁. beautiful engine sound, I keep replaying the video😁👌
She lives in the land of high revs
Is it a 5 or 6 speed?
6 speed 👍
Do these have steering wheel reach adjustment?
From memory they don’t (worth double checking though)
Full fat cars do cup cars don’t
Good car but slow,slower then 172....
Yep 😅
69 miles of range…..nice
Ugly shape and headlights compared to the mk2 Clio 182 172 that's why these are cheap and people just buy a 182 or go Mégane rs cup
Agree the MK2 172/182 is certainly the better looking car, can’t deny there are some smart bits on the Clio 200 & the values for good ones have held solid
@@stoneautomotive I'd say front wings are the only thing I'd take from Clio 200 I'd want them on my 172/182 just for aesthetics possibly. These will never be collected because they fall into the ugly duckling category and the 172/182 is quicker as you know and the Mégane is quicker than them all that's why Renault didn't turbo the Clio because then they would never sell any Méganes but that being said id buy a 172/182 over them all just for fun factor and nimbleness.
@@AMIGOALCAM On track the clio 200 beat the mk2 by over a second so definitely not a worse car at all. In a race a second gap is a lot.
What a ridiculous comment... a good one of these still go for 9k plus. I’ve owned two 182’s and now have a 200 and despite the 182 being a great car the 200 is all round better in every sense. Looks are subjective, but I think the 200 is much more purposeful and special looking than the 182 because it’s so much different to the standard car.
@@Jordan-182 don't know what drugs your on mate or what planet your on but it certainly isn't planet earth. 9k on a Renault Clio 200....... any sensible man would buy a Mégane rs with that money.....on your bike kiddda