How to make AMBIENT ARPS: Behringer Model D vs Pro 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- How to make dreamy, beautiful, mesmerising, hypnotic arps on your analog mono synth. I use the same MIDI clip to compare and contrast the Behringer Model D against the Behringer Pro 1. I do live performances on both and explain not only the oscillator setup but also every move I make to the filter, glide, envelopes, and so on. Finally I compare the sounds of the famous ladder filter to the Curtis filter, say which I think sounds better for this kind of hypnotic sound, and explain why. Lastly I include the full performance from the winning analog synth without my voiceover so you can hear it in all its dreamy glory!
Here is the MIDI clip!: bit.ly/49wsuIg
00:00 Start
00:11 Introduction
01:13 Model D setup
01:49 Model D live performance
06:19 An important message
07:09 Pro 1 setup
07:36 Pro 1 live performance
11:45 My thoughts
15:48 And the winner is...
17:01 Full winning performance (with no voiceover)
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This was great!! I'd say the best video I've seen on these two synths and I have seen a lot. I can't wait to see more from you. I subbed!!
Thanks - I really appreciate it! This is a very new channel so I’m still figuring out what people want to see. From your point of view are you interested in:
- hardware synth comparisons?
- patch ideas?
- analog vs soft synth comparisons?
- dawless setup videos?
I’m trying not to be just another channel does does plugin reviews and hopefully I’ll be doing live streaming where I write and produce entire songs from scratch entirely DAWlessly. Sound interesting?
I hope you don’t mind me asking, but I would be interested to know…
@@DistortThePreamp Hey. Thanks for responding. I'd say all four topics really, as I have been searching for those exact topics. For example, I came back to this video for a second time so I can decide which one I should buy first but if you had patch idea videos I would come back for those as well. I think all four topics would be appealing to most people looking to buy these synths. Good luck with your channel!!
That’s very helpful feedback! I’m also planning livestreams where I write and create synth based pop songs in real time after selecting a random bpm. There will probably be a ‘time challenge’ element to it - maybe 90 mins - but I’m still doing tests and trying to get the streaming tech to work ;)
Subbed here as well! Great video and performance! Btw., Which arpeggiator did use?
@@DistortThePreamp Technique, Tips n Tricks! Breakdown of tracks with Hardware. JUST like you done. excellent.
Really enjoyed this. You mentioned, "The right kind of ARPs played through it." I'd love a video on creating interesting arps. And how we create the right kind.
@@jameshoward-white2288 As a newbie looking into getting into synth I would love that too.
You did it again! You have the ears, which is the prerequisite to make great live knob tweaking. I like you keep it slow. It gives your channel a feel that you don’t find elsewhere. Content providers may be afraid that slowness could be detrimental to views, people skipping. But in your case, it encourages me to view your videos when I have time, and not skip a beat! You found a great format.
That’s really good to hear. Especially your comment about the ‘slowness’ which is very well observed ;)
They both sound incredible! I'd bet that they'd sound even better layered together!
As an avid fan of both 70s/early 80s Berlin school music and modern Psybient, this is an excellent tutorial
That’s really awesome to hear!
Beautiful warm mesmerising sound. Carry on the great work.
Great content, and I love the way you talk through the patch. Not to mention the great musical content! I look forward to much more of this!
That's really kind! It was a very fun video to make -- I'm working on another five simultaneously at the moment, so no weekend for me ;)
Thanks for the great explanation of the sound design. Hearing your thoughts (and reading the text) as you design the sound is incredibly valuable because it means the principles can be applied to other synths. So glad I found your channel!
Thanks Matthew! That’s very kind and great to hear! Really appreciate you watching, and taking the time to comment :)
Wow! Your still very new channel is very impressive. The depth of the knowledge you're sharing and the serious replies from us lucky viewers reminds me of my favorite youtube genre, machining videos. Nerdy, niche knowledge, shared via a very well produced video. Plus midi files!
Keep it up! 😊
That's very kind! I really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment (I've been writing this a lot today, but it's true). Hopefully I'll be able to do at least one video a week, maybe more. I'm also planning on doing Live Streaming where I accept Synthpop Programming challenges... sound like fun?
Haven’t heard the Model D this LUSH before. Brilliant! Liked and subbed. Looking forward to more. Love your music.
That's amazing! Really glad you enjoyed it! I'm currently prepping for a livestream which will feature both these synths and more... :-)
The algorithm worked, TH-cam put this in front of me and very glad it did. Subscribed!
Really appreciate your comment! I don’t know how the algorithm is doing it, but TH-cam seems to be doing a pretty good job of putting my very niche content in front of the right people ;) Thanks for watching Doug…
Same!
Awesome!
Just dropping a note on here to say how much I am enjoying your content. The algorithm matched us at the perfect time as I am just starting out on my hardware synth journey after many years of playing around with vsts. My music background is growing up in the 80's, started DJ'ing around 1996 a did that for around 20 years on and off and have been learning the Piano for the last 2 years, so now is the time to start applying the theory to the styles of music that i am most passionate about. I have just bought the Pro-800 and the Model D is next on my list. Looking forward to your next video. I would love some further content on ambient and particular complex arps. Thanks Pete
What a great new channel of yours! Thanks for sharing your expertise
Again, thanks Steve :)
Superb, someone making music with synths and showing others how to do it !!
You and Synth Seeker Luke are top of my synth TH-camr list.
Keep up the good work, really enjoying your videos - and LOVE the sound of that Model D. 🙂
That's incredibly kind! The Model D is amazing right! Soooo thick!
Very cool. I enjoyed your thought process stated aloud about what you were doing and why.
Wow man!! That’s a nice use of both synths from the knowledge. Sounds amazing! Definitely like and subscribe!
Thank you! This is a really new channel so very much appreciated!
Thoroughly enjoyed your video and the thoughtful analysis. The arps were gorgeous. That Model D filter really shines. Great job on the video. Subscribed and looking forward to future content.
Oh fantastic! There’s a midi clip too.. :)
Fabulous music! Great comparison video and the comprehensive explanation of the settings is really useful. You clearly have a deep passion and understanding of music and synths . Model D for me .
Thank you very much! I love my Model D a lot. It’s dripping with vibe.
Mate that was an incredibly impressive video. Well done 👍
Thank you! This is a new channel and I’m still finding my feet so I really appreciate you watching and commenting!
Thanks for the MIDI. Much appreciated
No problem!
"Authority and intensity" YES. These are the exact right words for the sound of oscillators through a ladder filter. Thanks for this comparison!
Thank you so much! Really appreciate you watching and commenting. And caring about the content! The ladder filter just sounds so… fantastic!
Thx for the inputs, the MIDI file and the video ! Enough to say I just bought a Pro1 because of the video... lol (I already have a model D). I loved both ! Pls keep the videos coming ! (Some tutorials about the patchs constructions will be very much appreciate as well). Congrats on the channel.
That’s fantastic! The Pro-1 is such a great synth and can do many thinks the Model D can’t. Have a look at my ‘Pluck Off’ video if you haven’t already seen it for an example, but the Pro-1 is probably better at plucks, drones, and of course hard sync sounds which the Model D can’t do at all! I’m working on a load of patch idea videos and will probably do them as comparisons. Do you have the Neutron or any other Behringer (or other) synths? I’m working on a Vox Humana video which involves using the Neutron, Model D, and Pro-1 all patched together…
@@DistortThePreamp I'll +1 that Vox Humana video for sure!
Liked & Subscribed.
Great content ! Looking forward to more videos!
Great demonstration and very interesting discussion. Keep it up!
Thanks Rick! Very much appreciated…
You have a new subscriber - your video just popped up in my recommendations. Lovely sound.
This is exciting for me! I for one welcome our new TH-cam Algorithm Lords.
Very nice very well done videos. Thank you and keep it up!!
Thank you -- very much appreciated!
Really very lush and mesmerising. Learning a lot from these videos. Many thanks.
Oh that’s so great! I really hope these ideas are easy enough to try - that’s the whole point. I’m def not trying to show off… my mission is to improve the music people make by showing the techniques not generally available on TH-cam…
Wonderful sounds you made 😮
Thank you ❤
That’s such a kind thing to say! Really appreciate you watching, and commenting…
Thank you for this comparison. Nice to listen to.
So glad you liked it :)
Thanks for this! I learned a lot.
That’s awesome! The channel is extremely new but I’m planning a lot more content like this :)
Great videos. Please keep making more.
Thank you! This is my mission!
A very easy subscription, thank you!
Oh I’m so glad you liked it! Thank you! Really appreciate you watching, and the comment :)
I love, when a youtuber don’t just play weird notes on synth but make some great music on it. Very nice arp, thx for the midi file. I subscribed to your channel and now will watch your new video.
You will have a great future and time if you make videos like that.
Thank you so much! I'm only in my third week of TH-cam so I really appreciate your kind words!
Third video and I already used the last part of this video a few times to listen to this track while driving to work😊
This makes me very happy!
Wow I really needed this video right now. Thank you.
Happy to provide the medicinal content ;)
Great video, thanks a lot!
You’re very welcome! This is a new channel so every comment is especially exciting!
Very cool comparison, inspiring me to make my own ambient arps
Awesome! Feel free to check out the midi clip, though making your own will I’m sure be better :) I’m in the process of writing a video (based on a subscriber request) all about how to ‘choose notes’ when doing ambient arps. It’s difficult to know how technical to make it, but it gives me a chance to talk about modes and scales ;) Thanks for watching - this is a new channel and it means a lot.
Thanks for the cool comparison of possibilities and at the same time showing how simple it is to get such a great (for me) effect. I have both synthesizers. I also have a B FX2000 multieffect and some eurorack so I will try to reproduce what you have achieved.
Thank you for the midi file. It will come in handy to recreate the whole effect. I will also try to use it with synths like BARP 2600 or DeltaCEPA. Overall great video and helped me a lot in understanding some nuances. I have subscribed to your channel. Keep it up - lots of useful knowledge.
The BARP 2600 is an absolutely excellent synth! Thank you for your kind words!
Youre awesome Ive watched cc's forever give demos but yours is top tier and ill listen to you over that one japanese guy all day~
That you’ That’s such a kind comment! And very much appreciated :)
wow, nice video! thanks!
Thank you!
Pienso lo mismo sobre el filtro, buen video, bonita comparación
¡Gracias!
A real passion... love it.
Thank you! And you’re right - I’m totally obsessed with this stuff :) Really appreciate you watching, and for the comment!
I love this!!! I dig it!!! instant subscriber!!!
That’s some quality feedback! Have you got any monos? Would you be interested in synth comparisons, patch ideas, production tricks, dawless setup videos, etc? I’m trying to figure out what subscribers want while there are still few enough for me to ask personally! :)
@@DistortThePreamp I would love to see you making more cool arpeggios with model D, kobol, crave. i love that. And a moog would be cool too :)
Will do!
Really nice sounds you got here.
Thank you!!!
Oh yes this was awesome
Really interesting and enjoyable video. Good to see affordable gear being used rather than astronomically expensive prestige ‘vintage’ synths etc that require a second mortgage
I’m all about the affordable gear. Even if I could afford the unaffordable gear, I would still be all about the affordable gear. My ‘studio’ is basically racks full of cheapness. Even the videos I shoot on a iPhone 😂
I think that it would be amazing to listen to both of them layered on top of each other. They are just so different; I think they would complement each other quite nicely. I would also like to see the neutron added into the mix. Anyway, great job! Not many videos make me insta-subscribe!
Thank you very much! The insta-subscribe is very much appreciated :)
Really interesting and useful. Thank you. I’ve subscribed and look forward to future content. Something on the Neutron would be good. Maybe using the patch bay on it and linking to the Pro 1 or Model D? Good luck with the channel.
Thanks John! I actually have a video scheduled which is exactly that! It’s a special patch on the Neutron that also ‘borrows’ functions from both the Model D and Pro-1… :)
Feed the algorithm ..great content ..like your style
Thank you! Very much appreciated. Currently trying to get the next one out…
love the arps! can't get myself to support behringer somehow, however the ladder filter is clearly amazing and behringer does a great job here too
It really does!
Excellent new Chanel! Really into it. I would say (If you can be bothered and dont mind people to know) put in the description other bits of kit used. Like in this video; What effects unit did you use etc?
That’s a great idea, and I’ll do that! So far all the videos have been dawless hardware which means I’m using hardly any effects (because I don’t have any 😂). In terms of this Ambient Arps video this is literally the sound of a single mono synth (either the Model D or Pro-1) which is going into a very old and cheap Lexicon MX200 which is adding a dotted 8 delay plus some reverb. Then that is going into a Drawmer DS201 gate which is set to duck (see my video about Kick Ducking). The ducking effect is being triggered off a key generated by my 909 (clone) kick track. All the sequencing is done from the Squarp Pyramid which is where I captured the arpeggios in a single live take about half an hour before shooting. The Pyramid is also generating the arps. Thank you so much for caring enough to ask the question! I really appreciate it :)
That was great!
But you really need to turn the filter attack knob of the Pro-1 up a bit, if you want more dreamy sounds! Subscribed fast :)
The Bob Ross of synth. I love it!!❤❤
This made me laugh so hard
Maybe I’ll put BOB ROSS on my next mic flag 😂
I thought exactly the same when you were calmly narrating while dialling in sounds.
@@chriscantplay...2933 Seriously, my next mic flag is saying 'Bob Ross'. Or maybe 'Rob Boss' ;)
hahahaha so on point
Thanks for sharing! Nice comparison… I was wondering about how you got the ducking technique… maybe a future video ? Thank you 🙏🏼
Ducking is super easy in the box, but a little tricky dawless. I use a super old school secret weapon and will def make a video!
Don’t know if you’ve seen but I made that video about ducking you suggested! Not sure if many people will be interested as it’s a bit specialist, but at least you can see what I’m using and how I’m doing it.
Great channel
Great comparison of the 2 filters and synths in general. The Moog is smoother and more dreamy and the SCI is more funky to my ears and a bit more difficult to dial in/more feisty. I actually love my pro-one for bass - I would say the Moog is better for the material in your sequence and the sound I think you're looking for here. Would love to see a comparison with a Roland SH-101 or Juno, or even JX8-P... My only 3 osc synth is the Erebus 3 and that has a different sound to the pro-one, probably closer to the Moog...
Totally agree about the filters. Ahhh, the JX-8P is such a lovely synth. I find it a bit weird to programme even with the programming module, but it’s two independent envelope structure is so unique. I once spent about a day trying to reverse engineer the ‘Soundtrack’ patch. My eventual conclusion once I understood how it worked was that it’s pretty much impossible unless you have two synths because you need the oscillators to fade in and out under each other. And even with two synths you wouldn’t have the same filter or, of course, Roland chorus. Regrettably the JX-8P left the studio a few months ago. It was very old and those voices are hard and expensive to maintine. Though I’ve got a funny feeling that one day I’ll buy another. I don’t have a 101 at the moment, although my 303 (clone) is surprisingly flexible. It’s not just an acid machine.
@@DistortThePreamp The JX is a fantastic machine, hugely under-rated, probably due to the sad omission of PWM. The cross mod can create some great textures and I agree it can be tricky to dial in. I should add that I do also have the PG-800 which is essential and which sells for more than the synth itself. Applying modulation or envelope to the tuning while in cross mod mode can create some great sounds, comparable to a Jupiter 8. For me, the JX is the best pad machine south of a Jupiter 8, for a fraction of the cost. Having said that, it can also make some amazing bass and lead sounds, as well as arpegs. It's a secret weapon of sorts and is a unique synth. It's not essential, but for anyone who has a Juno and Prophet already, it's a great addition. I don't have a Juno but I have the Dreadbox Nymphes, which completely scratched that Juno itch - it was my Juno killer and saved me at least a grand - another fantastic synth and incredible value for money once you get past the admittedly cumbersome interface. To your point about the Roland chorus, I also have a CE-1 and an Elkorus 2. The former is the holy grail of chorus and sounds amazing, the latter is arguably the most versatile chorus effect ever created, sadly discontinued. I could go on, as you can imagine 🙂
Thanks again for your videos and interactions and I look fwd to more from your channel.
I totally agree about the JX being hugely under-rated. TBH I even prefer it as a pad machine over the Jupiter. Yeah, you totally need the programmer and even then uou can’t really ride the filter or other parameters like you can on a more conventional synth (due to the small size of the programmer controls and the fact some of them are stepped) but I *love* the sound it makes. I wish it wasn’t gone.
You’ll find the Curtis filter in the Pro-1 is also 4-pole, 24 dB. It’s just different from the Moog-style ladder filter.
Yes, you're absolutely right! Somebody else pointed this out to my eternal shame! Sorry for the error, but appreciate the comment :-)
@@DistortThePreamp You think I got all day to check this on the web??? (Just kidding!) I am an orig P5 and Pro One owner, and I was thinking, "Wait... the Pro One has a two pole and I never noticed it in all these years???" Keep up the great work on your channel, I very much enjoy it. Subscribed.
Nice Comparison!
Really glad you enjoyed it!
This reminds me about my foolish decision to sell my pro-1.
Think I will buy another one together with a model D clone.
Thanks for the video. It is really inspiring.
That’s very kind and makes me very happy!
Crap. I’m supposed to be working, but this is just gorgeous 😎. Subscribed 👍
Oh that is soooo kind! I think you’ve just made me day!
I'm such a sucker for the Pro-1. Skinny Puppy were masters at using it.
I’m a huge Skinny Puppy fan but I didn’t actually know that! I’m sure you know the story about Skinny Puppy and Guantanamo Bay, right? So amusing ;)
Came here just for the SP sound. I need to pick up a pro 1
Great demo and a very catchy arp/sequence to say all you have going on is a single monophonic synth and a bass drum. There is no wrong answer to this question as both sound great. From your demo the Pro One has the edge for pluck sound as having a separate Decay and Release control allows more sonic nuances in articulation than the Model D. The Model D has the fuller, richer tone with more weight in the bass end. I can listen to this track looping for hours. That ducking when the bass drum cuts in gives a great pulse to the beat. Thanks for the inspiration. The Pro One uses a 4 pole 24 dB/Oct filter not 12dB, although the Curtis CEM 3320 filter chip is a multimode filter. You make a great point about the different sonic qualities of each type of filter. Add Behringer's Odyssey, Cat, MS-20 and WASP alongside the Model D and Pro One and you have 6 very different sounding 24 dB/Octave filters, each with their own musical sweet spot and sonic niche.
Oh you're absolutely right about the 4 pole 24dB/oct slope on the CEM -- I must have had a brain freeze! Really appreciate your detailed comment, and it's fantastic to know people are watching 'properly'! I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this channel is going to be but I'm currently prepping quite a lot of Dawless production tutorials/demos. Hope that's okay!
@@DistortThePreamp Definintely OK with me. I'm repairing my ensoniq SD-1 as I use that as a harware sequencer for ideas. Still getting back into using a DAW, but these videos certainly showcase the potential of using hardware in the digital interweb age of making music.
I love hardware sequencers so much. I've still got an old Roland MSQ700 although I accidentally threw away the power cable (I kid you not) and it doesn't fire up wit the replacement. I'll get it fixed, but TBH it's days of being a workhorse are over now I've completely cut over to my Pyramid. Though it remains a beautiful thing...
Korg MS-20 is 2-pole(and 1 pole high pass) though. As was the original Arp Odyssey (later models of the Odyssey had 4 pole filters).
@@Magnus_Loov Thanks for the correction on the MS-20. I'm usually up on my filters, but not this one, even though I have the same filter chips in my Korg Delta (LN13600/LN13700). I once had a white panel ARP Odyssey with the 4023 2 pole filter you mention and loved it until the instrument died.
so ture about those filters
Wow, I like both. I think I saw another video where they were both recommended but the 1 pro more so. I like the first one more (I think) but I also like that more dance sound from the pro 1.
I don't own a synth, I'm currently starting out and have been looking for something to learn with. I used to go into a local store and mess on a Novation bass station which I liked. I think I'd like to get one of these as they are very reasonably priced.
That’s a great idea! Whatever you decide, my recommendation is that you get something that you can sell down the line if you need to. The Novation Bass Stations will probably never go out of fashion :)
@@DistortThePreamp I'm torn now because I like both of these and feel I could use both to learn and for what I want to try to play and they are both reasonably priced 😂
@@DistortThePreamp Would a keystep trigger/play with the Model D? Being a newbie looking to get started with a synth I'm not very clued up. I have a keystep I used with my DAW but I want something like a model D or pro 1 that is more tactile and hands on that I can see/feel and hear what I'm inputting 😂
I like the ambient sound of the Model D a lot.
I think I need a cigarette after that.
Hahaha! Such an awesome response
Cigarette. With a Filter 😂
Very nice, interessting and inspirenig Video. How do you route your Lexicon ? Mine is set up as a Send - Return FX on my Hardware-Mixer. Do you hook it up in this way, or do you go straight from the Synth into the Reverb ? The second Question would be..." How do you set up this Sidechane exactley ? What do you mean with " throw one of my Gates" ? Thanx a lot.
Good question. Everything’s on a patchbay (or, rather, a lot of patchbays) and I just patch it inline with whatever synth I’m using on. Having said that, I always bypass it when I’m tracking seriously into a DAW with the very occasional expecting of delays. It’s not the best hardware reverb I’ve ever owned - I had a Strymon Big Sky until recently which sounded spectacular but I hated the fact it was a pedal rather than a rack unit. Also it felt like a luxury because, as I said, I only use hardware reverbs as ‘mock ups’ and then add reverb in the DAW when I’m mixing.
Dämm, the kick is good. Just like Deadmou5 -- which drum machine it is?
Fantastic demo and explanation!
Thank you! It’s actually just my RD-9 which is a clone of the Roland 909 with zero processing! I would have tuned the parameters carefully, but there’s no layering, eq, or compression :) Having said that I’m super familiar with how deadmau5 makes his kicks and what he listens for so it’s possible I dial in those sounds automatically. Essentially you listen for three things: attack, body, and sustain/release. Once you learn to hear those, making kicks is really fun and easy!
Very nice video. Out of interest are you sequencing through the DAW or do you use a hardware sequencer?
That’s a great question. I use a hardware sequencer which at the moment is the Squarp Pyramid. I do all my writing in the Pyramid and get the whole song worked up with usually a dozen sound sources playing simultaneously. However, once I’ve started tracking parts into the DAW then I still use the Pyramid but send master clock from the DAW. This way I can programme sequenced overdub parts and ‘play them in’. This also means that I can perform the synth knobs while the part is being tracked in. Having said that, I try to actually perform as many of the overdubs as possible and only use the sequencer for parts which need very strict time. Because it’s midi and in some cases very old midi the tracks are never exactly on the grid. What’s weird though is that in the tests I’ve done (and I’ve done soooo many tests) the vibe and groove sounds *much better* that if I line everything up and force it onto a grid. I know it sounds like snake oil but there really is something magic about all the machines drifting slightly.
I also do work where I take someone’s soft synths production and re-work it using analog and use exactly the same syncing technique.
I’ve been considering making a video about my production workflow. Would that be interesting? Or is it too niche?
@@DistortThePreampyes please, and no it’s not to niche! ;-)
Thanks for the feedback - noted!
I have both synths: need to try this. I like your colourful knobs (he says innocently)
Haha! There’s a recent for the knobs - it’s so they show up better in photos and also so I can reach for the right ones when (sometimes) they’re mounted lower in the rack. The Pro-1 stock knobs are okay, but the Model D knobs are dreadful. The way you store patches nowadays is by taking a photo on a smartphone, and you need to be able to read the knobs at a glance ;)
@@DistortThePreamp might you consider doing a tutorial in the spirit of New Order's Temptation? Using (I presume) a drum machine's accent out as the timing pulse
@@MrTimcoronel Exactly right. You’d do it a little differently nowadays but pretty much the same :)
The Model D sounds like I could get lost in it, and the Pro 1 commands my attention.
Correct, and correct.
Good afternoon,
congratulations for the quality of your video.
I wanted to know the exact model of your lexicon effet.
Do you know a Lexicon soft that makes an equivalent sound.
Thank you in advance,
Christian
Hey Christian, I’m so glad you like the video. The exact model of my Lexicon is the MX200 *however* I’m not sure I’d recommend buying one as, to be honest, it’s a pretty dreadful unit! It’s just about passable for dawless demos, but I would never track with it. The reason I got it was so that I could give vocalists reverb in their phones without any latency, and it does that okay. I’ve just looked up eBay prices and they seem to be selling for £90-£135 which is shocking - I think I got mine for about £45. The best Lexicon software plugin is the Relab emulation of the 480L, and the second best is the UA emulation of the 224. HOWEVER the best software reverb IMO is without a doubt the Valhalla Vintage Reverb which does a very good emulation of some key old Lexicon sounds if you know the patches you’re looking for. It’s very much a staple of modern productions and it just sounds wonderful. It’s also cheap, though that’s not really why it’s popular because Dua Lipa’s producer could use anything he wants and he uses the Valhalla Vintage. If you want the best sounding hardware reverb then, again IMO, it’s the Strymon Big Sky. I had one and sold it because my setup is really all about rack units and the Strymon is only available as a pedal (despite being ridiculously high spec). The Strymon is also horribly expensive. So, if you’re out of the box maybe get a super cheap reverb - consider an old Alesis Quadraverb - and if you’re in the box it’s Valhalla all the way! One final tip: I also use the Valhalla Shimmer Reverb as a special effect and I think that’s free! Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment.
@@DistortThePreamp Thank you very much for your answer. You’re a real fan of electronic music and you can hear that.
I love to compare the different arpeggios of synths. You are right to point out the importance of the filter...
But the effects are also important.
The music of Vangelis, Tangerine Dream and JM Jarre (great user of the synthesizer ARP 2600) would not have been so successful without the effects...
Thanks again and see you soon for a new video!!
Ah - I’m a huge fan of both Vangelis and Jarre! And you’re absolutely correct of course :)
I felt the D sounded like you're at home after breaking up while the pro1 sounded like it was 2AM and the club is closing
That’s so well put. The Model D (played correctly) can sound like a warm hug whereas the Pro-1 is trying to get your attention like a needy synth.
Great Video! Is it possible to use the envelopes on the Neutron, to shape the Model D to get tighter plucks?
That's such an interesting question. One way you could do it would be to route the oscillator sound out of the Model D (ie bypassing the filter) into the Neutron and then use it's filter and envelope. But I think what you're asking is whether you could use the Model D filter but the Neutron envelope? The answer is that I don't think so. I'm fairly sure that the Neutron and Pro-1 have digital envelopes (which I'm fine with) whereas the Model D has pure analog envelopes. The reason as I may have mentioned in one of the videos (can't remember which) is that there's some slightly suspicious language Behringer used for it's marketing along the lines of the Model D being 'all analog' and the Pro-1 being 'all analog signal path. The upshot is that it would be harder for Behringer to, say, change the Model D's envelope speed with a firmware update (which is what they did with the Pro-800). Although of course, the Model D's envelopes are very faithful to the Minimoog original. Anyway, I think my advice would be that if you love the sound of the Model D and don't need the Pro-1 special features (like oscillator sync) then go for the Model D and I bet you'll love it! Buy it second hand after researching the price and, worst case, you can always sell it on :-) Thanks for the great question, and for watching!
What is the synth at the top of the rack? Love your channel!
Right at the top? That’s the rack version of the humble Behringer Deepmind 12. I’ve replaced the knobs so I can see patches easier in photos ;)
Nice! What’s that kick drum?
Excellent. Makes me want to patch up the minimod clone. :)
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I am fully supportive of this 100% legit urge!
Fantastic
Thanks Lee! Really appreciate you watching :) This is a new channel (4 weeks old) so part of me is still amazed that anyone’s interested!
@@DistortThePreamp I have the Pro 1 and the K2 and delivered tomorrow the Model D SO was really impressed with the filters and Oscillators .
Over the last year I've decided to go back to how I recorded in the late 70's /early 80'S and growing up with Hardware and No Daw although I use the best of both ( Logic )
I enjoyed your presentation
I think that's a very good choice and I've done pretty much the same thing. I'm totally dawless for writing, production, and tracking vocals, but then I track into a daw and mix in the box. There are a couple of things that I do that might be relevant to your setup: (1) If I'm tracking through outboard (compressors, delays, etc) then I usually record a 'safety' track at the same time without any of the outboard processing. I don't think I've ever had to use it but it's good to know it's there, especially with vocals. (2) I often do overdubs using my hardware sequencer which is clocked to my daw, but once I'm mixing in the box I *never* go back out for hardware mix tools. Well, almost never, and on the very rare occasion that I do I'm re-track back in so really it's just another kind of overdub.
Finally, I've found that my mixing time is SLASHED -- there's something about tracking using 'real' instruments that means that you get the sound right from the word go. I can easily mix a full song with 50+ tracks in 3 hours, sometimes less. Before it not only took longer but there was a blurred line between production and mixing which meant that nothing really ever felt properly finished.
@@DistortThePreamp 100% agree with the mixing side plus as I recently said to another Producer friend who was dismayed I'd gone back years with this , however , I spend time to save time and that time spent on finding the right sounds is in my experience better than opening endless soft synths and instruments to find that "one"sound that you may not commit to . Don't get me wrong there are some brilliant sounding soft synths now but a tactile approach just "feels " more of the creative process - there then is the time to spend on the crucial part -mixing 😎
@@leefoster4171 Exactly. Here’s another reason: you might know that the bass part of Dua Lipa’s ‘Don’t Start Know’ was all made with the Kontakt Scarbee Bass plugin. It sounds amazing and very convincing including finger noise, slides etc. However it would have been a bit of a nightmare to programme and certainly not as much fun as Bernard Edwards (Chic) simply playing the part. So if you’re a player, stop programming and start playing.
hi just wondering how do you get this kick, it sounds nice.
Ah, that’s just my analog 909 (clone - It’s a Behringer RD-9). The bass is being ducked in hardware using a Drawmer DS201 (see my video on Kick Ducking) but there is ZERO PROCESSING! So no compression, no eq, nothing. This is part of my mission - to help people see/hear that if select use the right sounds and use them in a simple way, very little in the way of processing is needed, and the track mixes itself. Thank you so much for watching. Really appreciate it, and your comment :)
this is what i was looking for. i have the B pro1 and just ordered a grandmother. my thoughts were to purchase a model d and then route all 3 of those mono's together....thoughts? opinions?
Brilliant idea. You're gonna want to do that but also run them separately depending on the situation. Personally I'm less interested in using multiple monos to make a poly chord, but very interested in moving chords where all chords have the same number of notes and each note is played by a different mono This is exactly how English hymns work -- every hymn has exactly four parts: treble, alto, tenor, bass. The chord progressions may be simple, but the listener ends up hearing each part as it's own melody because a tenor's voice sounds different to an alto's voice. The other thing I do with my monos is patch between them to 'borrow' filters and LFOs. For example I made the famous Vox Humana patch the other day which requires two oscillators and three LFOs. I used by Neutron but borrowed two more LFOs from my Model D and Pro-1. Really appreciate you watching, and your comment!
@DistortThePreamp Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions. And sharing your techniques. What my thought was is that I would do like you said and borrow from each. But then also do some classic stacking.
I think this all sounds wonderful!
what midi controller was used to program the arp?
The arps were captured in a live take. I played chords on my Arturia KeystepPro which was sending midi into my Squarp Pyramid which was capturing the notes played. The arpeggios were generated in real time by the Pyramid and I had set up the monitoring synth (probably the Model D) with an LFO to slowly change the filter so it would sound a bit more like how it would eventually come out. I was also playing into a hardware delay and reverb. From memory I don’t think I was monitoring a kick - I think I did it all using the arp timing as my clock. I think I set the capture time at something like 128 bars and then at some point I just stopped playing. Then I played back the midi clip into both synths and rode the knobs live - that’s on the video. You can see the actual notes I played from the midi clip. Really appreciate you watching and the comment :)
I'm like most youtube nobodies, a lifetime love of synthesizers but only a modicum basic music knowledge. Do you think you could do something about your choice of key and progressions, majors and minors and so on?
That’s a great question and one that I get a lot. I’ve thinking about how I could make a video series about ‘How to write’ without it being too technical or boring. I’m working on it, but it’s not easy because it’s such a deep subject. I would probably focus on scales though as a way in - if you watch the performance at the end of my latest ‘Rio’ video every note I play is within a scale. It’s an extremely unusual scale (technically called ‘E Phrygian Dominant’) but that’s one of the techniques I use.
@@DistortThePreamp I think getting technical would be very welcome, as there's a glut of simple "how to 1-4-5 in Cmaj!" already here.
I prefer the model d by alot, but I love both, hot damn
For this music I actually agree. It’s a little surprising how different they sound - the Model D is soooo thick. Although the Pro-1 is still a wonderful synth and, for Plucks, it has an edge because the envelopes are so fast. Also there are a lot of sounds it can make that the Model D can’t. Obv that’s why you need both 😉
Love it. How do i get the midi please?
found it! Cheers
Glad you found it!
Beginner question: what sequencer/keyboard/or whatever are you using or what you recommend me????? Arpeggiator??
That’s a great question. I’m using the Squarp Pyramid as a hardware sequencer with an Arturia Keystep Pro as my keyboard. The Pyramid is controlling a whole range of sound sources on three different midi circuits: three drum machines, about a dozen synth patches, and more. And I’ve got 16 inputs into Pro Tools that I use for recording. So it sounds great, but it’s definitely not a beginner’s setup.
In terms of making a recommendation to you, it definitely depends what level you are at. If you are just starting out and want to make electronic music then I would recommend you use a daw like Ableton or Logic with a cheap USB controller keyboard. If you’re quite experienced and want to start experimenting with a dawless workflow then I would recommend gettting a single mono synth (see my video on ‘Let me choose your first synth…) but sequencing it from the daw. Although you should always try to play parts in (see the video I’m just about to release!) But I probably would not recommend getting a hardware sequencer unless you’re either very experienced or 100% certain that you want to go dawless.
Does this help?
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hello! I bought a model D, but as soon as I turn it on, the overload light just blinks, the power light doesn't come on and it doesn't recognize the USB port either. somebody could help me?
@@sebastiancantarini2980 I’m not an expert but that sounds like a fundamental problem and the unit needs to be swapped out. I would normally recommend flipping the tuning switch to see if it generates a tone, but the overload should not be blinking. Other people here may know more than me…
@@DistortThePreamp thanks!
Hi again!I bought a Behringer model D, and when I turned it on only the overload light blinked and it didn't do anything else, they changed it for a new one and it does the same thing, so I tested the power supply of my rd-9 and it works perfectly, What do you think the solution would be?
Hi! I bought a Behringer model D, and when I turned it on only the overload light blinked and it didn't do anything else, they changed it for a new one and it does the same thing, so I tested the power supply of my rd-9 and it works perfectly, What do you think the solution would be?
Is the Arp sidechained to the kick or is that just the brain affect? For me it's about the emotional response that comes from the gradual pitch change as much as it is the psych0-acoustic effect. Hypnotic is the exact word for it. It's very primal.
I’m so pleased that you like it! It’s a sidechain style effect, though I did it in real time with a hardware analog gate set to ‘duck’ mode. So yes, it was ducked whenever the kick hit :-) If I was in the box I’d get the same effect either with a compressor sidechained from the kick, or tbh more simply with something like LFO Tool (Xfer) or Shaperbox (Cable Guys).
@@DistortThePreamp I've just tried to recreate the model D sound using a very good vst emulation of the moog and I cannot get close. Sadly. lol
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@@patkelly8309 What were you using? The Arturia?
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When you say door do you mean DAW? I wasn't sure.
Was that in the captions? Oh good grief. I let TH-cam do the captions on these earlier videos and they’re terrible. I really must correct them! Yes, ‘door’ would definitely mean DAW 😂
Zero mention of compression, but seems obvious that there’s something going on between the synth and the kick drum. Am I crazy???
There’s no compression, but I’m using one of my Drawmer DS201 Gates to duck the arps under the kick in real time :) I made a whole video about this th-cam.com/video/mjqP70S0xuE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=q1UtH8MkpsHrrJaw
Nice knobs brother
Thanks! To be honest, the main reason I got them is so the patches are clear when I take pictures of them for recall. The stock knobs on the Pro-1 are okay, but the Model D knobs are basically invisible. God knows how you’re supposed to read them on stage. 😂
Yeah, please give me the midi clip 😊 so great…..😄
So glad you like it! The link to the midi clip is in the description - let me know if you have *any* problems :) Really appreciate you watching, and wanting the clip!
They both sound just beautiful really, Model D for me a bit more hypnotic maybe and the pro 1 a bit more raveish
BTW really enjoying your channel
I agree. Both are really fantastic but, for me, the Model D sounds better, certainly on the music I was playing that day. But if somebody only had the Pro-1 or any other good mono synth they would probably be 100% fine! Thanks for watching and for your kind comments btw.
That's awesome! Hopefully there will be more soon...
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It’s the RD9 (Behringer’s 909 clone)! It’s not the only drum machine I have but for this sort of thing the ‘roundness’ of the analog kick works really well I think. However I’m also sending a pulse to a special unit that’s doing the ducking against the kick. That’s another reason to use the RD9 - it has three trigger outputs that I use as keys for sidechains. I’ve been editing a video all day about this so hopefully it will come out tomorrow :-) Thanks for watching and for the comment. This is a very new channel so I *really* appreciate it!
That will be my question !!! Thx
Standard comment about not choosing which one to buy, but which one to buy first. The answer is the 2600 🤣
Haha -- the 2600 is a really amazing synth. There are three reasons I didn't end up recommending it: (1) I think it's a bit intimidating for a first time synth user. (2) the form factor is probably too big for most desktops unless you stand it up. (3) it's more expensive than the cheaper mono synths. Having said all of that, in my opinion the 2600 is the best mono synth you can buy! And, for someone with the space and the budget, once they'd learned how to program synths I wouldn't hesitate it making it the top recommendation!
@@DistortThePreamp the blue one is £399 atm, picking it up as soon as I get paid. I'm hoping. It will kill my GAS for eurorack
That's a great price and, as you say, it might just kill your yearning for a full-on modular system. I avoided Eurocrack GAS by getting the Neutron which I use in conjunction with my other semi-modular mono synths. I'm in the process of making a video about how to make the Vox Humana sound (made famous by Gary Numan) on the Neutron. You need three LFOs so I borrow LFOs from the Model D and the Pro-1 and patch them in. On the 2600, however, you would use the two dedicated LFOs and make a third from one of the VCOs which would still leave you the two oscillators you need. Separately, I really like multi-mode filters -- claps work really well with a resonant HPF, and notches have their use too.
@@DistortThePreamp that's a really thoughtful, detailed response. My friend has a neutron and it sounds amazing. I thought about picking one up until they teased the Proton. Thanks for the wholesome interaction, you're one of the good guys 👊
That’s very kind! Sorry for the delay - I’m struggling a bit to get high quality content out on time, but I’m getting there. I’m still only 4 weeks into the channel and it’s all a bit mental ;) BTE though, you totally *don’t* need a Neutron if you’ve got a 2600 which really is IMO the best mono synth ever made!
Arps are great! but... I hate that generic kick with even more awful sidechain/ducking which is ruining those arps...
Ah, sorry about that!
Please don’t take offense, but your mic highlights WAY too much of your tongue and lip smacking movements…I can hear every little shift of saliva in your mouth and it’s making it terribly difficult to get through your videos. Which is a shame, since not only are you offering a unique approach, but you do have a nice voice!
You’re absolutely right. Sorry about this - I’m trying to correct it! And I’m absolutely not offended!
The sidechain ducking ruined it for me. Sadly I had to stop listening.
Far too high.