Why Everyone Hates Adobe
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.พ. 2023
- Today we will take a deep dive into the subject exploring the company’s unhealthy practices in the industry, its subscription model shift, lawsuits, and so much more.
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This is why it's more important now than ever to financially support open-source and become more actively involved in the development process.
Like Tyflow?
Or switch to Afinity Designer and Photo.
What do you suggest for people like me who don't know computer science/how to develop software?
@@jixer1956 you not need to develop the software, a few donation will do good. They did that as volunteers with little to none financial involve, but at the same time, that development need some financial support even tho they did not force you to do so..
@@jixer1956 to, as the person literally said, support them by donating
Autodesk is very similar. After decades of that sh*t, I'd prefer to go back to pencil-only rather than use their products. The approach of a company REALLY matters.
This. IMO, Autodesk is far worse than Adobe and virtually has no alternatives.
I have Autodesk’s sketchbook. It was great and cheap.
pirate their programs
Doing that may stop the development of adobe products due to less customer funds.
@@ahsanulturzo7783 Yeah right they were fine before the subscription model & pirating existed for their programs then. Now they have a bunch more & make way more on the subscription model. They aint developing anything that new or interesting regardless.
As wonderful as piracy is it doesn't change the momentum of "industry standard".
@@ahsanulturzo7783 xD yes yes
Still even after pirating, a single internet touch could break the crack.
We need a "blender" version of adobe. A free and open source alternative. Maybe once it got powerful enough to threaten adobe market share then they will stop being so complacent. 🤔
Well there are free alternatives for almost all Adobe softwares
Photoshop - Gimp, Krita
Illustrator - inkscape
Substance Painter - Quixel Mixer
After effects and premier pro - Hitfilm Express, Blender
To name a few....
@@devilsons666 i've used inkscape and gimp. the interface and ux is so user-unfriendly that i can't bare to use them. they still have a long way to go to match photoshop/illustrator. unfortunately, because i'm really in favour of open source software.
@@devilsons666 inkscape can't export CMYK, shame...
blender IS the free version of adobe if you know how to use it
@@jenniferdulmage5515 I use blender for most of my 2d posters, but one missing thing is the ability to remove background from the subject, wish there will be an AI tool for that in blender.
adobe business practices has made me proud of becoming a captain jack sparrow.
Oh my God, I cannot believe someone from the media touched this really huge problem... InspirationTuts, you are a really tough guy.
dudes from corridor cast did that as well
Thanks for making this video. Hard to believe I used to feel a sense of pride booting up the Adobe apps pre-cloud era. Paying money to be a beta tester is ridiculous.
Snag an old copy of CS6 is my advice, if you can find one.
I dropped Adobe 6 or 7 years ago and haven't looked back since. Although I should note I work for myself so I don't have the issue of having to know it to get a job. Affinity's suite of tools are a once off price of around $70 each and while I recently upgraded to version 2 of them it was several years between versions.. The products themselves are excellent and do everything I need. Resolve is significantly better than Premiere and after effects and is actually a joy to use after years with the stagnant premiere.
Me too, have been using Afinity Designer and Photo for 2 years now. I find their texture deform tools which I use to match UVs much better than using photoshop.
@@nsevv Krita is a joy to use, not all of it is as good as PS (text, dear god, text, what a pain), but drawing and animation are great. Haven't used Corel Painter in a while, but it seemed fun the last time I tried, and they have specials on that every few months, buy outright for low hundreds.
Affinity looking more and more attractive by the day.
Just buy it don't be shy.
I use affinity photo for my textures for Blender and I use it for drawing.
I've dropped Adobe for all the things I need. The closest I've found for Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign is Affinity Photo, Designer, and Publisher and they do everything I need without the Adobe tax. I haven't done much on the video editing front but it looks like DaVinci Resolve is going to fill that space quite nicely and for effects work and 3D it looks like Blender will do a lot. I did download Natron but haven't had the opportunity to learn much about it yet. Looking at your video the interoperability of Adobe's apps with each other looks highly overblown and I have no need to have their fangs in my bank account month after month, year after year, for their buggy software.
God bless the devs of Blender
Top notch video, well exposed and saying the truth
If only Da Vinci had same great customisable UI as Premier.. Also pain to see how BMD smashed Fusion UI.
Soon brother soon
nothing to combat AE tho
@@khalilicf ur right 😮💨
Great summary, unfortunately adobe is right now something you can't get away from, especially if you're a 3d artist, there simply is no valid alternative to substance painter and designer. Speaking of, substance 2023 has just been released on steam and of course it couldn't go without more scummy practices.
For the record, Substance 2022 was released in November 2021 during the black friday sale and was under a big discount for everyone, the 2023 version was pushed back 2 months just to avoid it and gave discount only to existing users and had a big price hike. The steam licence still operates the same way, you get free updates until the end of the year, for 2022 version it was until the end of 2022, so you get 13 months, for 2023 version which released at the beginning of February this year you get 11 months, and you pay 20% more for that. More than that, Adobe still doesn't provide regional prices in many places and the costs can become quite absurd.
I was disappointed to figure out the hard way that i need designer to really get the most out of sampler and painter. But its par for the course.
check out mixer for an alternative, it is better than it was
And there was no roadmap for 2023 so Im sticking to 2022.
you CAN its just challenging. Blender is slowly adopting better, new ways of doing things like the surface paint feature and such is nice but isn't as easy to use as substance painter. Witch are 90% of Blenders problem atm if you ask me. Otherwise the raw capability is there.
Blender is more user friendly in every way but its interface though. I don't think they are going to try to sue users or start charging money anytime soon. Ill probably end up donating like 150$ to blender just to prove a point. I gave adobe that just for the paint feature. why not blender when I use it for literally everything else? I will give Adobe credit, im really glad they release on steam now. And it makes more sense to me to buy it for a year, get updates for a year. Own that years version forever. But have to pay again for superior features of a new year version. ANd Adobe needs to come up with features that keep me coming back. Or just sell me something i can take home and actually know i can have in my toolbox for good even if its not the most powerful and up to date. Thatats totally better than logging into a launcher, paying subscription and still having to buy each package seperately, THEN only having access for that subscription... NO. I ONLY got substance painter because they gave me something i asked for. They are still jerks with their marketing. But hopefully both adobe continues to ease up and be more user friendly, And I'm still rooting for blender to adopt a more user friendly interface.
(If you read all this +1 to you.)
There is 3d coat, there is marmoset 4 and mixer. They are all pretty decent tbh.
You have literally taken the words right out of my mouth. I have been saying these exact things for years! This is a fantastic video!
Thank you for your work and this video!
Could you please do a video series about (Adobe Alternatives) or (life without Adobe), exploring FOSS & nonFOSS programs, on windows and linux ?
A good start could be with the Affinity suite.
Thank you and keep up the good work!
Gimp and krita they are open source
Krita and gimp they are open source !!!!
Affinity 2.0 Suite
@@galotta8475 I know about it I tried and test it more than 5 years but unfortunately the brush tool has a very slow response and did a delay in movement !
My replacements for their stuff:
Photoshop: Affinity Photo 2
Illustrator: Affinity Designer 2
Indesign: Affinity Publisher 2
Premiere Pro: Davinci Resolve Studio
After Effects: Fusion Studio
ColdFusion: Lucee Server (Free)
Every other Adobe program/service: Could give two turds less about them since their support is not worth it
I left them a couple of years ago and only went back for a little while to get access to some After Effects files I had. When I came back, it was even more appalling so I don't miss them at all. Their epic instability are reason enough to walk away.
Yeah i bought some of those affinity apps for my wife and son. Went with davinci also, its a good app
What would you recommend for Lightroom?
thats why i love how blender and unreal is approaching this (tho they are wildly different). Make your product free for personal use, and charge commercial uses. that will ensure that students, kids ect will use learn your product and when they get a job in the industry, they will be your high paying customers. how do you think tiktok got to the top?! through kids.
thanks for all the updates
Affinity photo/ designer/ publisher. Enough said.
Finally someone who makes sense👏👏Thanks for the video
Adobe is the standard, but with time other software is moving in to usurp their dominance and stranglehold on the creatives out there!
Im glad that my company where myself as graphic designer, where they did ask for someone that good with photoshop at first, and most of the time, i design my poster or graphic material using GIMP, and they see the result and thinking i made it using photoshop, but when i show them that i make it using GIMP, they just scrape the "good with photoshop" requirement and proceed with ability to make outstanding graphic result for the next recruitment. Because at the end of the day, your client did not care what software you use, all they want is the result. Your skills matter, not because it "InDusTry StAndArD" then you must follow it...
More videos shitting on Adobe please. Warms my soul ♥
The best part is that the paid alternatives are often much more better.
I love Affinity for my photo editing/publishing stuff. I use Krita when I want to draw comics though, & OpenToonz when I want to animate.
I am a Affinity fan too! But I don't have need for is so I haven't try it yet. But I use Da Vinci Resolve and its node workflow is the best!
Personally, I have had an Affinity for change... And have acted on it!
What alternatives do you all use?
You forgot about DECADES of technical debt. Performance on After Effects and Premiere is atrocious. Also how Windows versions of programs are having worse performance and less stable than their Mac counterparts.
These programs code should be rewritten YEARS ago.
I've used adobe premiere, after effects and photoshop for years. Now i only use davinci resolve studio with lifetime licence. Adobe is so riddicilus
After getting very successful many company gets greedy and arrogant.😑
David McGavern moved from Adobe to Maxon in 2018, it seems like he’s attempting a similar playbook with Maxon One. I think there’s some hope for Adobe, look at substance on steam. Rapid development sprints, fair pricing. I hope that trend continues.
Not for long, mate. Adobe is popular for ruining whatever it touches.
Dropped Adobe years ago and haven't regretted it a bit, funny enough your vid was preceded by an Adobe advert.
Sadly I have had to drop a number of my preferred apps due more to my software being changed to a subscriber system despite purchasing them outright in the first place.
Its as bad as online streaming services of any kind you cant afford them all so you end up dropping them all.
(6:02) Not only what you mentioned, but some non-fiction books that teach design teach them using Adobe software if they weren't written for a specific application. For example, "The Essential Guide to Comic Book Lettering" bases its guides on Adobe Illustrator on macOS, likely because the author uses Adobe CC as he often worked with major comic book publishers (according to a portfolio found somewhere on his website) that likely use it too, and I had been wanting to create unofficial addenda or supplementary notes to show how to perform the same steps in Inkscape (probably on some version of desktop Linux), but never got around to doing so as I'm working on other projects.
As I clued into, this video does remind me of how I plan to base my guides on FOSS alternatives where possible.
Thats why you need to pirate the software and disconnect it from creative cloud so it exists as a offline version. Problem solved.
I abandoned Adobe a decade ago and have never looked back. They had the audacity to charge me over $100 for the privilege of quitting their hated subscription model. The stability and features of open source products far outweighs any lack of compliance with industry standards.
I remember where photoshop was only buy only once. Back where it’s 19$? I think?
And it was super useful ! And also had an whole website where you can learn how to use it from beginners level to advanced level to expert .
It was $700 - $1000 with little to no updates, and you had to buy it again the next year if you wanted the new features. Creative Cloud is still technically cheaper, even if you don't get to keep the products afterwards.
I found many open source softwares to be better and better and I like very much the recent development of Blender, but also Inkscape and Krita. Job descriptions should mention what has to be done (like documents for print or web, illustrations in TIFF or JPEG format, movies etc) and not what software to use.
Job descriptions say what software you need to know for practical reasons. Studios buy licenses for specific softwares, and work in a certain environment. If a studio uses Revit instead of Archicad, and I only work with Archicad, I won't really fit in unless i learn Revit. I can't be producing different files incompatible with what my co-workers are working with, and I also can't demand the studio/office to purchase a license of my desired software.
Free alternatives like Photopea (Photoshop), Inkscape (Illustrator) Scribus (InDesign) and Dark matter (Lightroom). Some of these are better and do exactly what abode's product does. I use these when I do my personal projects. There are even some products like Abode where you don't have to pay for a subscription.
You mean Darktable?
@@leonfourie7337 yes
Adobe is one of the single biggest pain points for me as a designer. I HATE how tied the industry is to Adobe. It’s buggy, overpriced software, but I have to use it at my job. Not to mention the painfully obvious greed from the company. If I had the choice I would switch software immediately.
My sister works for a large international animation company. I won't name them. Anyway, they are big - not Disney big, but big. In the last couple of years they've switched to DaVinci Resolve, and other free apps where possible, rather than have their narrow margins squeezed by Adobe. For everyone thinking that Adobe is an invincible giant, the tech landscape is littered with corpses of dead goliaths.
All I have to say is F Adobe.
Minor correction, for movies adobe isn't used much, maybe substance painter. VFX industry is entirely on Linux and avoid Adobe very much.
Compositing, Paint and Roto use Nuke, SilhouetteFX, MochaPro etc. for 99.9% of the cases.
3D uses Maya, Blender, Houdini, Clarisse etc,
Editing, Color Grading and Audio mostly use DaVinci Resolve
Contrary to popular belief, Adobe products or FinalCut are almost never used.
Interesting video, but you should be more precise, when it comes to losing access to your files if you stop your subscription. First because savvy users don't leave all their working files on Adobe Cloud. Adobe cloud system is less reliable than others like Dropbox, Google Drive, etc. Plus, it lacks features like selective synchronisation (being able to sync only the files that you want, so you don't run out of space on your local hard drive) and backup with easy recovery. Second, if you stop your subscription, Adobe leaves you 90 days to download or remove all of your files from their cloud. I feel like it's currently hype to bash Adobe, but one must be fair when listing all the pros and cons.
This video aged like the finest wine
What ever happened to the one time payment thing? Isn't anything easy anymore!?
I use Arch btw. Kdenlive and Davinci Resolve are good!
Don’t worry Bois
In future we will have AI programs that built other programs, therefore we will create our own script tools to use only what’s necessary for our design workflows
I have the same sentiments about Reallusion. You spend $700 on one of their products, and when they update it to the next version, for example, version 2.4 to 2.5, you have to buy the new version 2.5 at $700 again, then when they update that to 2.6, you'll have to spend another $700 again. It's like spending $700 every year for just one of their products.
I was shown an ad for creative cloud before this video started lol
A lot of good points, but "not having access to your files" is just silly. If you store files in the cloud, meaning any offsite storage service, and you cancel your subscription to that service, of course you're going to lose access. Just back up the files locally. Interestingly, Adobe apps are now trying to strong-arm you into saving to the cloud instead of locally.
So true! Trapped in the world of the monopolist! :(
5:47 casually wraps bird in plastic
Clip Studio Paint is a great alternative to photoshop, specially related to comic art.
It's a shame Affinity don't do an equivalent to Lightroom (yet)., I did some napkin maths: Photoshop/Illustrator/Indesign - £718.92 per year. Affinity Photo/Designer/Publisher - £159.99 for the current version including upgrades until v3 (around 20-25% off if upgrading). V1 released in 2015 - making the upgrade price a steal.
Still using cs6 production version i bouhgt when it came out
Ditto. Zero performance issues. Oh it doesn't have AI, pass me the fainting sofa. Don't need or want those!
I hated them when they were doing a one time payment of 1000 to use them for a year.
Something like that, what I can remember.
Now with the subscription model people "cough" don't have to pirate it.
Back in the day i paid about 780 to go from cs3 to cs6. It cost that much because i didnt get cs5. Im still on cs6 lol
@@stephencurah1059 CS5.5 here, CS6 for Photoshop (as the scrubby zoom & rotate bugs out in 5.5).
I’m deadobifying my life but it’s a slow painful process. I don’t have a need for most of their software and I don’t use their cloud storage, but still several years of habits and shortcuts are hard to unlearn…
You could make the same video about Wacom...... they are just cutting all old models,- without adding anything new to it...
Another overpriced and overrated company, with poor QC.
Prolly one of the only things I recommend pirating
I would not bother honestly. They're just not that good anymore.
was a big user of the Cool Edit Pro software for audio editing and putting together finessed mixes and tweaks (for years) and then they bought it, altered which mouse button does what, made a bunch of aspects worse... and rammed the price up to £500. fk that! also, everyone must remember just what an absolute computer choking bunch of nonsense their perpetually updating acrobat reader was. ludicrous
I'm a digital freelancer and proud to completely got rid of adobe 2 years ago.
lol yeah photoshop is running extremely laggy on my 6 core system. I don't get it. It was running smooth at some point in the past. Many years ago.
Gimp and krita !!!!
Can't say I agree with the clunky UI comment in respect to Photoshop. I find it's the best UI of the photo apps. The bugs are somewhat pushing me away, bit I'm not there yet.
I left Adobe after 20+ years when my owned software stopped working. Switched to Affinity and never looked back.
lots of good photoshop and illustrator alternatives out there, but once someone makes an after effects equivalent, I'm out!
make a video on FIVERR for Beginner to PRO level.
very cool video could you do one similar for Autodesk i feel they are as greedy and dishonest as adobe
Maxon as well
I thought you can save your work files in your HDD instead?? and always have a "happy version" on stand by...
Who could guest, companies with a monopoly abuse of his power.😮
Affinity photo
Affinity publisher
DaVinci Resolve
Industry standard or not, I wouldn't pay for Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc., to save my life. A freelancer has a smorgasbord of alternative graphic art/design tools to choose from, including CorelDRAW, GIMP, Inkscape, Photopea, Krita, Affinity Photo, Affinity Designer, Blender, even MS PowerPoint, etc.; and he/she need not give a rodent's rear of concern for Adobe and their asinine and exploitative monthly subscription model.
any gimp lovers out there
🤣
I love Krita & OpenToonz.
Nice content, but the pseudo-streetpunk old-style Brooklyn-New Jersey tough-guy style "working man" voiceover tone of voice and writing wore thin pretty quickly, and I put on the captions and turned off the audio. Wannapieceofme? OY, yeah, I'm talking to you, yeah, YOU, lol.....
Artists always get shafted. Windows 11 owns all your work according to them... It's all closing in on us we will own nothing. Not even our own work and time.
Try Linux Mint, especially if you an old banger of a machine you don't mind experimenting with. I've been amazed by how easy it's been to adapt to. Feature called TIMESHIFT allows you to take system snapshots in case you mess something up and need to roll back (as I'm definitely NOT a command line guru).
I hate Adobe! I hate that it constantly is occupying my screen space proposing that I buy something. I never wanted it on my computer. I deeply resent that it takes regular additional key strokes (have a disability) to decline to buy something. STOP SELLING ME IN MY OWN SPACE!!
Why don't they seak out other software?
I did. Replaced all m'y adobe crap with other paid software.
Afinity Photo, Designer and Publisher (versions 1 and then I bough version 2 later) to replace Photoshop, Illustrator and Publisher.
Reaper to replace Audition
HitFilm Pro (purchased 3 times now for full upgrades but lookingat DaVinci Studio instead as FX home has gone hybrid sub and perpetual) ro replace PRemiere and After Effects.
I also use Blender and Unreal for some VFX / AE work.
My dayjob in creating PDF forms ofr a governement department unisng Adobe AEM Forms and I HATE IT. Buggiest piece of crap IDE I have used in ages!
Maxon is catching up
I dont blame subscriptions, that´s a good business model for both parts,.....problem is the hefty price and forcing you to buy software you dont need.
"You're a photographer? Here you go, the two things you need at a discounted price" looks at everyone else "Full price! Everything!" even though they just want illustrator and after effects bundled.
I stopped all Adobe subscriptions about 3 years ago. I ended up getting Substance Painter via Steam but found that 3D Coat's Painting Suite works better so I will not be using Substance after this year. Adobe is a rip off! And I started with Photoshop when it was first released in '82 or 3.
Another reason why i hate adobe only a little bit is that, and because my school has an animation class that uses Adobe Animate, the supposed certification for Adobe Animate only lasts for 2 years and im in my senior year of highschool so it would literally be useless halfway thru my college years and i use blender as my more dominant animation software. Adobe honestly sucks, tho 3d substance painter and modeler are still really nice
Everyone dislikes non-competitive business practices... even if the US gov't forgot about enforcing their own antiTrust laws.
Photoshop is slow for a 2d application.
Just exporting a 4K jpg or png takes considerably more time than GIMP or Affinity
It is a good thing I don't have adobe in my computer. I don't need it because I have other software to replace it.
I need a replacement for After Effects, I'm suffering... I almost missed a job for delivering it too late, and half of the time I was fixing Adobe's errors instead of working... this increase year after year... I always keep older versions in case I can't cope with the new ones... it's really unprofessional and my computer is saturated with the space occupied by these shitty programs
Just Pirate ez
Fun Fuct : this video edited by Adobe software XD
LOL
I purchase one and only one adobe product and that is substance from Steam. Other that, Adobe isn’t worth it for the money nor do I trust them with my projects.
1: isn't it illegal to lock you out from your own files?
2: if is not illegal: why not save your files locally?
At least just right before cancelling your subscriptions?
3: what happens to your cloud files after you end your subscriptions?
Will they remain in the cloud or will they get deleted after a while.
4: what happens to the files if they don't get deleted? Will they become property of ADOBE?
5: what happens to the cloud files if prior to a subscription cancellation you save them locally and delete them from the cloud? Will they really be permanently removed from the cloud or will ADOBE still have access to them?
1. It's not illegal, you paid for the subscription and agreed to the TOS.
2. Programs like Lightroom don't have the option for locally storing files, and even then it's a waste of storage to keep everything locally. It's also more convenient to keep them stored in the cloud, because then you can seamlessly and easily edit files between multiple devies
3. They get deleted after 30 days
4. No?
5. That's a stupid question. It straight up says when you delete a file you permanently delete it from the cloud. Adobe also has no reasons to keep deleted files, as it's a waste of storage.
Do be fair the idea of a subscription based model is a good idea. The problem is that in order for you to get the full Adobe experience just for 1 software you have to get plugins that cost twice as much as the actual product which increases the cost of 300€ a year to about 900-1200€ a year
what plugins are you talking about? aren't the softwares pretty much complete? at least from my experience with photoshop/illustrator/indesign. maybe im missing out on good functionalities beyond the stock software.
@@euclois idk about photoshop but as a video editor you need a couple of plugins to do many important effects
@@makedonas6 There are many alternatives for video.
@@makedonas6 There are many free alternetives to most plugins. You don't need the fancy plugins. In most cases, they just make the editing process faster. The need for plugins is more true for VFX artists than editors.
@@MicahIsBatman2 highly depends on what you are trying to make.
think about the subscription model and cbdc. A cbdc system can be used as a seocial credit dictatorship. If you dont fall in line, no Adobe for you - no freelance gigs for you.
Also, you will own nothing…
Dude i tried buying after effects and its expensive It angers me
my adobe cancellation fee was over 150 dollars
The sue part is about Pantone. Pantone is the company that pulled their code and went subscription. I doubt anybody would get sued but this seems like cover your ass legal shit.
Pirating adobe products
is morally right.
I wouldn't download adobe to even my worst enemy's PC
Yes, but I think is even better get a product from a competitor when possible, that way the damage is double, a leaving client and promotion to an alternative.
Don't Brother Pirating Adobe Software
5:58, I wouldn't say that's neccesarily true. While there are defiantly many programs that are on par with Adobe's software, programs like After Effects, Photoshop, and even Acrobat are 100% the best in their fields. Does Afinity photo have Ai built in? no. Does Fusion support easy compatibility with 3rd party software, like Cinema 4d? no. Especially with more AI enhancements like Project Fast Fill, or Project DubDubDub, there are no actual competitors in those fields. For as much as people like to hate on Adobe, most of their programs are still the best in their feilds.
NUKE > AE.
Why?
Serious?
I am one of the first 100 owners of Photoshop, so I have been with them.
But...
I stopped using it the minute they went to the subscription model.
and...
I'll never buy another Adobe product because of the WOKE culture they embraced.
As far as I am concerned RIP Adobe.
That shifting of colours effect isn't great on the eyes, sickly to look at! I thought my eyesight was playing up.
Why nobody talks about affinity
I did a wordsearch, it's been mentioned 23 times already.
You forgot to mention, Adobe never hunt down individuals for using pirated software. They can feed on big company or studio and that’s enough profit for them. So technically you can think Adobe is free for individual? 😮
I never understand charging cancellation fee for a digital product. It is not like there is a cost to cancel subscription. everything is done automatically.
Geezus. I hate adobe