Surplus Settled the West!
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- How Surplus Settled the West
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Oh my goodness, all those "military grade" weapons put in the hands of civilians. Great episode as always Santee.
HA! Yes, to protect them from the hardships of the frontier.
Wasn’t the old west times of peace to?
But then a lot of places had restrictions on firearms.
@@kylethedalek Some towns didn't allow carrying of firearms . That was do to drunk and disorderly conduct, but that was a small segment of towns.
I have fond memories of the army navy stores. The owner was a avid wild west historian, he taught me some of the card games that were popular at the time. When he passed away, I was willed his pair of 1860 colt army revolvers, I still have them to this day.
Awesome!
That’s amazing, he knew you were the type to treasure and take care of something like that and I’m sure one day you’ll do the same
@@coldmountain1997 yup he's where my fascination with the old west comes from. I have no doubts that someone with the same enthusiasm will come around. Half the kids in my neighborhood know how to play faro, and five finger draw.
Always enjoy going to an Army-Navy store if I'm in the area. Don't think there are many left. Never thought of them supplying westward pilgrims, but should have. Thanks for opening my eyes. 😊
Sure thing!
The Army surplus store (and the way it smelled) is one of my favorite memories growing up--
Loved that you mentioned my cousin Jesse. He started his outlaw career using his pistols from the War. He received them from some Yankees that didn't need them anymore. My 2nd Great Grandpappy kept his Enfield rifle that he used during the War of Northern Aggressison. He used it for hunting. My western impression has several items that I used as a Confederate Reenactor. Thanks as always Santee. You are doing a fine job.
🤠🤠🤠 Appreciated, Eric.
I remember going to an army surplus store with my father when I was a kid, he wanted good warm gloves and I was concerned thinking only soldiers would be allowed to buy things from the store 😅
Me too!!
The current Military Surplus stores just don't seem to have a lot of Civil War leftovers to sell these days! I may have picked up a bit of ACU and Multicam stuff a few years back, maybe my great-grandkids can do some reenacting in the future! Cool video Santee!
It's funny but I remember finding stuff from other countries. Germany, mostly.
@@ArizonaGhostriders you have to hit the ones near big military bases, Fayetteville, NC, Agusta, GA.....
Military surplus is still full of surprises. Recently a couple bought a bunch of plastic shipping boxes from a military surplus online site. A couple of the boxes came filled with fully functional M16A2 rifles!
Whoah!!
I used to live in Poughkeepsie, New York and would see Bannerman's castle near Beacon on my way to Manhattan on the train. I always wanted to visit the island, but not owning a boat made it a little tricky and so I never did. Here in Toronto, Canada there was a military surplus store up until about ten years ago. The differences in kit from American are fairly interesting.
Pretty cool. I"m pretty sure I saw it while driving along the Hudson years ago.
I knew that surplus came west but I'd never thought about the volume of surplus. The army kept and converted a number of Springfields and Colts but most of the conversation models were phased out by the 1870's add to that, the downsizing of the military, that is a tremendous amount of weapons and equipment available on the open market. That also explains why firearms manufacturers put out new models frequently in the later half of the 19th century. Thanks for making my gears turn! You folks do wonderful work on this channel!
1000s of rifles.
That’s really cool. My dad would take us all into the many military surplus stores around Tucson. There were many during and after the Vietnam war. I know, I just dated myself.
Still very cool!
My 12 year old son has gotten hooked on Airsoft battles and gear. I took him to our local surplus shop yesterday and he got a full set, jacket and pants, of woodland BDU's for just about $40! He's rockin' them on the Airsoft field today. I have always enjoyed the surplus stores and I'm passing the torch! 😁
Nice!
When I was a kid all my camping equipment came from the surplus store, most of that stuff would probably be worth money now.
Maybe.
Never thought about this, another informative topic of the old west. Thanks Santee.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another excellent video Santee! My ancestor recalled how the uniforms of the Billy Union were used by actors and dodgy "newspaper men" in stage photos to tourists from who wanted sell staged photos. Also, interestingly he was told to dress up as a union soldier to sell "his story" about his involvement in the war, even though his father forbid him to join or even hold a rifle, he told his story for coins, which he had to give half to the the inn keeper and the other half to the blacksmith and his wife were he stayed for a while. Other times when uniform were used by outlaws pretending to be part if the federal army to rob wagon travellers. Other times most civil war men keep their stuff, and later sold them as souvenirs of the war. Anyways, a wonderful video Santee well done to you and your crew!
Thank You!
My grandfather and father were still using surplus horses tack in the 40's.
Up until a house fire in 2009 we still used a old mcqulen saddle as our braking saddle.
It could take a colt trying to roll on it if necessary.
And they used old army blankets as saddle pads. You could make the bars fit any horses good enough.
And if you sleep out less bed roll you needed.
Still have a surplus set of cutting spurs around here some where of dads.
But i would never put them on a horse myself. There to dammed sharp for me to use.
great info!!
Great video Santee, I incorporated several items that would have been civil war surplus into my western outfit, gives it the lived in feel
Cool! Keep it up.
Thanks again Santee & Co. Several years ago I bought a set of Vietnam War era " Chicken Plates " helicopter door gunners armor for $100 from an Army/ Navy surplus store . They can't be found at any price now . Among my firearms collection is a Model 1896 Swedish Mauser rifle chambered in 6.5 x 55 mm Swedish with a manufacture date of 1912 . MilSurp gear can be a great bargain .
Yes! Cool.
I miss the old Yellow Front stores in the valley, They had a wonderful collection of military surplus and provided a lot of gear to a young poor kid who loves the outdoors.
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I was floored when I heard that Old Tucson had closed. I was born in Tucson and I’ve been there dozens of times. I’m glad to hear it’s coming back.
Yep!
Ironically I have the very same memory growing up, Santee.
Sadly, Military Surplus stores in my neck of the woods have all but faded away.
Yep!
Enjoyed this one too. I sure remember having fun in those army surplus stores.
Me too!
I grew up in the late 1950s in El Paso, Texas, home of Fort Bliss and Surplus Stores!!! French WW I bayonets $1, web belts $0.50, steel WW II canteens with cup and cover $1, combat boots $2, paratrooper boots $5, field mess kits $0.25... an endless, cheap, inexhaustible supply of Cool Stuff!
Yeah, which nowadays you can buy at gun shows as "collectibles" for a pretty penny.
Great one, Santee! Antique stores (particularly the large ‘malls’ can have good priced items too!)
Yep
Very cool gift. This is definitely a really great community.
It sure is
Great video, as always. My favorite surplus in the Old West period is definitely the old cap and ball revolvers converted to cartridges. I wish Red Dead Redemption II had put some of these in the game.
Nice
As the franchise goes backwards, RDR2 being a prequel, it would be cool if RDR3 went back to 1879 and a young Dutch starting out with cap and ball revolvers, working up to Peacemakers and Schofields.
@@bedeodempsey5007 That would be really cool. The reloading part would not be fun, time-wise, but the game will account for that.
Omg a vid on surplus! I've always seen how some westerners were shown wearing military clothing and wondered why. Great video!
Glad you learned something!
As a kid I wanted a WWII M2 GI helmet. Instead, my Grandpa bought me a WWII British paratrooper helmet from the Tampa Army-Navy Store because it had padding and a good chin strap. I was a bit disappointed, but still wore it everywhere, including summer camp where I dragged it along on a half-day nature hike. The Florida humidity eventually accomplished what the Axis forces could not as the interior slowly rotted away.
Whoa! I was raised near Melbourne and our Army/Navy store had aviator hats....I wanted one of those!
@@ArizonaGhostriders I had one of those too, but I never bought the cool British goggles. P.S. I was born and raised upstate in Quincy.
Thank you Santee. The Army / Navy stores sure have changed, I loved the old ones too. Thanks again.
Right?
Howdy y’all. I’m using my surplus this weekend on the homestead up here in the pine mountains of Prescott, AZ. The west is still pretty wild in places out here.
It is!
Thanks! I was a denizen of the local Sunny’s Surplus Store. They supplied my aviator googles and leather helmet for sledding and later Army blankets, packs, and sleeping bags for Scout trips. Thanks for another fun video.
I always looked for the WWII leather aviater hat!!!! Never found one.
@@ArizonaGhostriders My Mom cleared out all of my “junk,” when I left for the University of Wyoming. Oh well… 😢
My army surplus store has a t-shirt that says "I joined the army to see the world, I got stuck in Fort Wayne."
LOL!
The US Army pretty much had sold off all of the CW Surplus by the 1880s so most of it went west with whomever needed it and could buy it. The first rule of a gunfight is to "have a gun". Also, even if it IS a cap-n'-ball wheelgun, it sure beats throwing rocks!
It sure does.
Another great episode! My favorite surplus store in Phoenix was on Bell rd after they paved Northern Phoenix. Long gone but the memories.
Interesting! I bet it was a cool one.
3:29 The Royal Dansk tins of the day
Right!
Many colt revolving rifles went west despite army complaints they hang fired a lot. Marcy in his prairie travel guide in fact praises them highly. Certain both north and south used what they had.
I would like one!
I went to the army surplus across from the base in fayetville. I got 2 fragmentation grenades, 200 black tip nato armor peirsing rounds and 800 .223 for my m16 rifle. The stinger were $2000 each and out of my price range as was the .50 cal machine gun.
Holy moly!
@@ArizonaGhostriders the southern stores seam to differ from the northern ones in content. Virginia was the same. Long on military guns and knifes,etc... short on clothes, pots, pans and compasses.
Oww, you're welcome Santee! This is a surprise! ❤️😉🤠
Thanks again!
Great video Santee,
I had never realized how much of a role surplus military gear had played in the old west, but now that I think of it, it does make sense.
Military surplus stores were great when I was a kid, you could find all kinds of neat stuff to outfit your backyard camp with for cheap money. But sadly, nothing is cheap at military surplus stores now, they want top dollar for everything.
By the way, thanks for mentioning 11BangBang's channel, I subscribed to it.
JT
Much appreciated, JT. You'll like their channel. Good folks.
You can still get plenty of cheap surplus, at least online. You just can't get cheap AMERICAN surplus. If you're willing to purchase European gear instead a barging can still be found, and a lot of the time it's actually better than the American equivalent. The American surplus market, especially for items from Vietnam and older, is now dominated by collectors rather than people who want the stuff for practical use.
Your part of my Saturday morning routine and I still have my great grandpa's musket from the civil war he brought home with him
That is super cool. Keep it in the family always!
@@ArizonaGhostriders I sure will good sir
Those old muskets did double duty as shotguns. The load known as buck and ball was popular and effective right through the Civil War.
...and not fun to get shot with!
Ah yes, the Surplus Store, also known as the toy store. As a kid used to collect metal and sell it as scrap. After I got my candy it was down to the surplus store.
That's a great story!
here in England we used to have a paper magazine called Exchange and Mart and my granddad would buy loads of stuff from it and sell them on, it used to have loads of Military Surplus
SO neat!
@@ArizonaGhostriders it was, but now with Ebay, Amazon and others the magazine is long gone
@@tommo101ablesounds like Sears. It was the Amazon of its day and sold literally everything you could think of.
When my great grandfather immigrated from Hungary in 1888, he moved to the Wyoming territory. He bought in 1889 a presumably used Colt Richards Mason conversion pistol and Spencer Carbine. We still have the guns and Bill of sale.
Well, there ya go. You've got the history to prove it!
I loved this. I missed it Saturday as I was out hunting sage hens. So glad that they’re rebuilding Old Tucson Studios. I love that place.
Sage hens! Good eatin'?
@@ArizonaGhostriders ha. Well, they need lots of doctoring
Thank you for blanketing the video with all surplus. 😜🤪 Very interesting history, thanks for sharing 👍 😊!
LOL!
Great episode Santee! I still have a hard time driving past a surplus store.
Me too!
With you on the military surplus stores. They were mysterious and magical for a boy. Don't know why they went away.
Like cap guns and candy cigarettes, gone before their time...
yes.
I really wish some of those surplus programs were still in effect. I could use a HMMWV. Best of Days to all the Ghostriders.
Thank You!
Oh, for a time machine, and the correct period currency to go on a shopping spree at Bannermans'!
WOuldn't that be awesome?
here in England we had a chain of stores called army and navy stores, boots clothes uniforms, that kind of stuff, never any arms of course .
Kind of the same idea here. Never any arms.
Great video. I spent my share of time on the surplus section of Yellow Front outdoor store as a kid in Phoenix when we went to town.
CooL!
In addition to legitimate surplus, there was also always the possibility of military clothing and gear making it into civilian hands by "falling off the back of the wagon" so the soldiers could make a few extra bucks.
I wouldn't doubt that.
Although it's not pertinent to the Old West, the Navy/Marine slang term for Stolen Gov't Property is '' Comshaw.'' Which sounds an awful lot like, which means 'Thank you very much,'' in Korean.
A Black Market in military ''surplus'' probably predates the Roman Legions.
Great video! Thanks for all that you do to help preserve out history.
Our pleasure!
Another awesome one Santee! Keep on rocking it! Lol. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
🤠🤠🤠 Thank You!
I loved old surplus stores. pew pew!!!
Yes!
Great piece of history Santee. Thanks for helping to keep the Old West alive.
You bet
We still use surplus stuff now. I’m going hunting in a few weeks and I have a mash of different surplus stuff.
I got my 1883 Uberti colt clone, and took it to the range yesterday. What fun! A few problems with my reloads, but I learned a little, and they’ll be perfect for my next trip in two weeks.
Good!
I miss the old military surplus stores...
Yes. Still some around.
I always appreciate the content it's become part of my Saturday morning ritual.
Many thanks!
One small inaccuracy, there was a McClellan that was issued by the army with a horn.
It was the McClellan mule saddle. It was issued to guys who did packing and what not in the cavalry. They're fairly scare and often not cheap, I've been lookin for one from a while.
Thanks. Technically, we're talking saddles people rode on.
@@ArizonaGhostriders they were ridden on it was a regular McClellan with a brass horn added to tie the lead line to. Not my preferred way of towing a pack animal but it's an option
I can't recall however if it was during west ward expansion it was issued or with the later 1900s version of the McClellan
I was always fascinated by Army -Navy- Surplus stores as a kid especially the barrels of rifles before The GCA of 1968.. it was so interesting.
Cool!
MIlitary surplus is as popular as ever in the "Bushcraft" genre. Packs, clothing, tents and not just U.S. but surplus for other countries as well.
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Glad to hear you pronounce Schuyler correctly! It's a tough one if you're saying it without hearing it first.
Surplus stores aren't nearly as prevalent as they used to be, probably because of the change in how the military orders its supplies. Instead of ordering uniforms in the millions to mobilize a comparable number of new recruits, they order in batches as needed to cut down on waste (relatively, anyway). With less available, there's less for the stores to buy in bulk to resell. Also why there was a lot of Soviet equipment for a while (and some current Russian equipment until recently).
I mentioned the company a few years ago, and struggled with it in the video. Someone corrected me and I verified it. So, good to go!
Russian equipment will be available soon.
TBH, most of the 'soviet ' stuff was Eastern bloc, primarily German and Czech. The Russians held out until they modernized in the 90s. LOL, Bulgarian stuff didn't hit the market until the 2000s, and mainly in Europe.
There was a Army Surplus store in Salem, Mass when I was a kid. My Mom would take us shopping there. Mom bought old surplus army mummy sleeping bags with the snap on covers. The stuffing was feathers. This was around 1968. We tent camped on the acre of land my parents bought in western Maine for years. Those sleeping bags were still good when my Mom (now widowed) sold the small home on that land in 2013.
My husband and I still shop at the Army-Navy store here in Tulsa.
I was amazed that I could not find spoons from the Civil War era too. Just forks and knives. So I started looking at carved horn spoons because soldiers (and others) did make those. Good place to look is that famous on line store that starts with a E-B under Civil War as a category for original items. BTW a good wool blanket cost three dollars in the 1860s..quite pricey for that time considering what the average wages were per week or month.
That's a great memory.
As always great video! My grandfather would have loved your videos. He was a avid cowtown cowboy shooter. "Chino McGrew"
Cool!!
Like many , I loved visiting the army navy surplus store in my town.
Good times!
You’re almost at 100k subscribers, You deserve it and more Santee!
Thank you so much for that!
Gotta love Blazing Saddles!!
Yes
Yup the old Army-Navy store when I was growing up was like a museum where the exhibits were for sale. Frank's Army & Navy in the Bronx and Kaufmann's in Manhatten, New York City are in business for at leas the last 100 years..
I went to Kaufmann's a few times.
@@ArizonaGhostriders All that surplus from WW2-Viey Nam is about gone, sold off, and the military has few people these days. But occassionally contractors sell over runs and just offer some items commercially.
When I was a kid in the 1960's, there was an Army-Navy store in my town. My budget-conscious parents liked to visit the store. They found great pea-jackets, camping gear and even pocketbooks, which had shoulder straps, were made of real leather and lasted for decades. The store closed down sometime before 1972 and I haven't seen any Army-Navy stores since then.
They are still around. Maybe not as popular?
I'd love to have some of those surplus weapons now. great video my friend.
Yeah, in museums mostly.
Great episode brother .
My father's father back in the day was Director of Surplus Materials for the People's Republic of New Jersey.
HAHA! Thanks for sharing, Red.
What happened to the surplus? WOW, I never thought of that. This was very informative, and interesting, as always, Santee. Loved the videos, pics, and the heaping helpings of dry wit.🤗 You're the best.🤠👏👏👏👏
Much appreciated!!! 🤠
Oooh! I love surplus, even today I still get most of what I need from those stores in Belgium. OH and I would love to meet that Belgian Re-enactor so he could give me pointers on my outfit.
So cool!
There is a house in Georgetown, NW Washington, DC that has a step hand railing made from discontinued .36 cal. rifle barrels.
Interesting!!
Dang son...you're 2 shakes of a cat's tail from 100k subscribers. Time to start planning a "square dance"!!!
Yeehaw!
Terrific job Santee.🙏
Thank You!
Visited our Army -Navy surplus many times. Sometimes only place Dad could find 30-40 Krag ammo.
CooL!
Love tha T Rex in all the videos ❗️❗️🦖
Thank You!
Great video Santee. Most of my W.W.I and II Web gear came from a local surplus store when I was a kid, I still have it all. We used to get helmets for .99 cents too. Those were the days.
Cool!
I never thought of sirplus back then wow thank u sir.
You are most welcome
I love surplus stores. Got a place called Delk's somewhat near me. They have a lot. Clothes, equipment, tools, Huey helicopter shells, generators. I got an east German entrenching tool cheap. They have lots of American ones even cheaper.
Cool!
A friend of mine was doing something metal detecting a homestead in upper Michigan and in the field he found a Union infantry button. Then on the same property he found a Confederate belt buckle. It’s crazy how they both ended up hundreds of miles from the nearest battlefield. Very cool stuff
Makes you wonder, right? What's the story?
Always enjoy watching!
Thank You!
One interesting fact is confederate gear was still for sale on the surplus market well into the 20th century. All the uniforms used in birth of a nation where orinals and i didn't known that till i asked a history sub reddit. Pretty interesting that there was enough gear in southern depots at the end of the war that 50+ years later it was still on the market cheap.
Yup!
Another great one head honcho ! Thanks amigo.
My pleasure!!
Very interesting and fascinating informative video, I really liked and enjoyed it.
I learned a lot military surplus in the old west.
I’m definitely going to be adding that to my analog horror old West series Mysteriarch Mythos I’m writing.
Thank You!
@@ArizonaGhostriders thanks and your welcome 👍🏼🌟😎
Another great video Santee.
Thanks!
we had an Army surplus store in my home town that was more fun then to visit the Disney World
HAhahaa!
It's lovely I didn't know you knew how to accessorize so well. Your such a dandy.
I can be, it seems.
I’ve been having the same trouble with my mess kit, and decided based either on one of yours or townsends videos that a bone/horn spoon would be an appropriate fit.
It would be!
Awesome video thanks for sharing 👍😊
Thank You!
Great video Santee!! Always enjoy them!!
Thanks again!
Hey Santee good to see you. Great content!!
Hey hey!
I learn a lot from this channel. 👏🤠
Why thank ya, Pony.
Getting a decent surplus Navy revolver cheap would have really beat having a single shot.
Oh yeah.
An important episode not dealt with elsewhere. Army surplus boots and clothing was standard for working on town or on the trail. The Arizona Historic Society has 1 1/2 million photos of that era. This is common with the many other museums. The old photos illustrate the use of army surplus. An interesting video would be the evolution of army boots to cowboy boots and the same with army hats into cowboy hats. The popular cowboy hats with the curled up sides have nothing to do with historic hats' use for shade. The curled hats are rodeo hats which evolved by necessity as the expensive hats hit the ground and broke off during a riders' performance. The curled edges served as springs to make the hat bounce. That innovation became popular because early cowboy movie makers didn't know the difference and the actors were equally clueless.
Interesting hat story!
Been to Bannerman Island a number of times in my youth. Cool place.
I can't believe I lived in NYC and never heard about it.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Yea, I grew up in Poughkeepsie so we saw it all the time right there in the Hudson, just south of Poughkeepsie. Took a small blow up raft with a troll motor out to it. Awesome place to camp out and explore.
Great video as always Santee!
Glad you enjoyed it!
As always, another interesting video. McClellan was a master of supply & guess he developed that saddle but it seems he wasn't famous for going on the attack. ....I was always fascinated by army/navy surplus stores when I was a kid.
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