Sadly with how most things are with Ele there's generally just a single flex spot in your utils. So yes, tehnically you are correct but, sadly, you tend to be more selfish so you can survive. #EleMain :(
@@NDfeerer10 lol qcata after buffs is so broken and u talk stuff like that xdd its just not class for everyone, no matter if they will spend 2 or 5k hours on it, also power tempest doing insane numbers rn, so yeah i get ur point that it may be frustrating since it needs a lot of effort, and even then u cant be sure it'll payoff, but class itself has insane potential and works for those,,special" ppl(:
@ other classes do the same or more with less. I’m not gonna argue with you that ele can’t do good things, but numbers and benchmarks and “pro” TH-camr vids don’t represent the game for majority of players. Ele is good in dedicated groups that focus on synergies and allow the class to shine, but that doesn’t always happen in a pug environment. Especially in CM pugs. I think most players can lvl 80 boost another class and have similar or better results. What ele does in damage, it lacks in almost everything else. No weapon swap, no boon strip, low barrier, low cc, low armor, low hp, abilities/boons/cc etc spread between 4 ability bars with their own individual cooldown, competing talents, low stability, low aegis, selfish dps with low utility, ele elite STILL disappears when mounting or entering water, mostly melee gameplay. There are tiny workarounds around a few of those things, but again, a lot more effort for the player. It’s a good class: I’ve done the entire game with mine, but I’m not disillusioned to its general weakness. Maybe it is broken. When I start seeing them in my cms instead of mesmers, necros, guardians, I’ll believe you.
Hey, I just wanted to tell everyone to not get discouraged by the rating, especially if you are a new player. If you like your spec's playstyle and are good at it, you can beat the vast majority of people on the lfg. The relative power of each build is also very dependant on your group composition, phase times, the specific fight you take it to and the respective game mode. Harbinger for example is an easy S tier in 99 and 98 CM. Anyway nice video Sil, putting holo in C tier is a crime lmao, but I understand your opinion :D No build can be for everyone and honestly, that's good.
I understand you want to move on from gw2 content creation, I also understand tierlists are highly subjective. What I dont understand is why bother making the video at all if you’re not even explaining why this or that is better, no mention of specific boons over others, no explanations on synergies, this video just felt rushed. Not trying to be mean, still watched and liked but I felt I had to make this point.
Healing builds in my opinion Tank as following: S: Chrono, Firebrand, Druid, Scourge (Has a reason to be here) A: Mechanist, Catalyst, Herald (has some flaw holding them from S tier) B: Tempest, Scrapper (Other things are just better) C: Reneagde, Willbender, Specter (I have yet to find these players) - Rest I don't know how viable they are. (I have not played these builds) I agree you placing DPS Mechanist to B tier but in my opinion it should be next to Scrapper. Basically my only disagreement is Heal Catalys being better than Heal Tempest.
Power Tempest definitely deserves S tier >:( , i'd also swap Catalyst with Scourge on the boon dps tier list since Catalyst has insane boon generation and insane damage too, although Scourge has good utility the boons nor the damage can be compared with Catalyst (Herald sure still has an edge over it).
@SilhouetteGaming1 ye it doesn't have much cc but i dont think just that knocks it to A tier, it has a lot of great things going on for it (damage, burst, cleave, its ranged, healing from water traitline, ocasional might generation, rebound, and water ele is huge in some situations)
Great video. There’s great resources on websites out there for builds, but they seem to have backed off on tier lists or clear ratings. I think that is a political decision, which I think is wrong. People should be able to look at something like this and clearly understand what works the best.
You know what, this seems fun. I wanna do my own tierlist but I will only rank things that I played. And I will rank them based on how much I enjoy them, so its not purely based on numbers, although high numbers obviously help. DPS: S+: Power Holo S: Condi Mech (Spear), Condi Willbender, Condi Harbinger, Power Catalyst A: Condi Holo, Power Dragonhunter, Power Vindicator, Condi Mech (P/P) B: Power Tempest, Condi Virt, Power Scrapper C: Condi Scourge, Power Reaper, Condi Chronomancer, Power Virt, Condi Tempest D: Condi Mirage For my reasonings, Power Holo is just too good in fractals with its burst damage, holo 2 is a great way to get swiftness which also helps in fractals. It looks flashly, and when it clicks, it clicks really well. And currently it is the build I play the closest to the benchmark DPS. (About 38-39k DPS in the golem with no stat infusions) Spear added some needed complexity to the P/P Condi Mech and it looks more flashy and does more DPS so that’s always a plus. I still use P/P CMech in fights that favor range like the Silent Surf and Deepstone fractals for example, but P/P is too boring imo. Condi Willbender is fast and does damage so why not. Without Harbinger I wouldnt play Necro at all, other specs are just not fun to me. Power Catalyst is special to me because I studied the hammer variant for like 5-6 hours straight at the golem, for a few days, and it clicked with me really well after that. To this day it is the build I studied the most (like study study, just at the golem, no encounters) with actual success at the end. With the same order of skills but doing them faster and better, I managed to get from 22k DPS to 36k DPS in the end, which tbh for hammer is really really good. Spear is even better than that. Condi Mirage is the opposite of Catalyst for me, in the sense that I tried it really hard after Virt and Chrono both didnt click at all for me, and Mirage like the others just didnt click at all. Mesmer in general to me is the worst class I played in this game after Necro which at least has Harbinger that I enjoy. I literally don’t enjoy anything Mesmer. I do somewhat decent damage with Virt (About 34k) but I have no idea what I am doing and its not fun. For boon supports I only play Condi Alac Mech, Condi Quick Harb, Condi Alac Tempest, and Power Quick Catalyst. Among those my favorite is probably Alac Mech followed by Quick Harb. Alac Mech is my fav because its also really good in Open World due to it having Ritualist gear. Having 26k health is insane to me as a boon DPS, and even with 50 stacks of essences in Convergences only brings it down to like 13k health which makes it really comfy to play. For heals I only ever tried Heal Tempest and I found healing in general as too stressful to enjoy so I kinda gave up on playing healers. I will also try Heal Mech at some point since I know Engi the best and kits are fun, but I am not really hopeful. Well that was kinda long but hopefully having this long of a comment is good for the YT algorithm or something :)
Maybe im just bad at it, i feel managing the heat mechanic alongside a fast pace rotation isnt ideal especially with hidden cooldowns of kits if you play a kit variation.
@@SilhouetteGaming1 I honestly think the heat mechanic makes it easier in some ways. You have a visual indication of where you are in your rotation. When you're almost full, time to leave holo mode. When you're under 100 heat, time to stop what you're doing and enter holo mode. The holo mode rotation is just 3, 4, auto, 3 and leave, but it's not a big loss to leave early if you're not confident about avoiding overheating.
I wouldnt say that holo cc is decent, its subpar at best you have elite, f1 and maybe mines, nothing else cc. but its not that hard to play and its pretty fun
@rgentry9 i tried to say that it was S tier if you have a good understanding of the class, but unlike some of the other DPS options it takes some fidelity in understanding engineer to get the most out of it. Power scrapper for instance has a similar bench without all of the extra knowledge requirements.
Damn that’s crazy, I guess I should just delete my elementalist then, cause I usually roll as weaver 😔 truly such a sad day. (I’m obviously joking, the spec is absolute pain for anyone not already very familiar with ele)
@ yeah I’m around! Don’t always comment but I do watch the videos :) But yeah I just thought it was really funny that you dropped weaver in the nope pile without mercy. Judging by the rest of the comments (and the new video) I guess a lot of people didn’t find it as funny to see a spec they like be ranked poorly. 😂
@Psoewish mostly it seems like holosmith players. I've clowned ele multiple times, even having full satire videos devoted to the memes and it's fine, but I say one bad thing about holo and everyone loses their minds haha
Don't get me wrong, I love Weaver and play it a ton, but it just brings nothing to the table. When it was top dps with easy rotation it was justifiable, but now ptempest is just straight better. More boon access, alac, way easier/faster/more CC. Weaver does dps. That's it. No utility lol. IMO they should make an alac mechanic based on "weaving" between elements. Like every time you swap elements you emit alac within X radius
I have participated in very strong raid groups where alac mech works just fine lol. It's easy and reliable as an adps or ham. Jesus not just to single you out but these comments are exhausting with how much you're grasping to insult sil
@@VamanaGW2 gasping to insult? My sister (definitely woman hands wrote that comment) in balthazar where's the insult to sil? We're talking about the game and about alac mech being "good" despite the fact it has no utility and meh dps. Sometimes men can disagree with each other without finding it insulting. Crazy concept, right?
With all due respect, but I think this is completely inaccurate. You recognized Virtuoso and Soulbeast as top builds correctly, the rest ranges just from ??? to "okay, I guess if you're considering that it's difficult/easy to play you can maaybe make the argument that..." Like, you put Herald in C Tier as a DPS build, despite it benching like 6k DPS lower than Power Holosmith and having very poor burst (comparatively). Tier Lists are inherently subjective, but you were still just flat out wrong on some things.
It's 100% accurate. I am a PUG and so are the large majority of the GW2 playerbase. Rem you are amongst a minority when it comes to your ability to play/understand this game, which is good for you, however just because there's a core guardian build that AFKs 30k dps doesn't mean I think it's good either. It's a balance between reward and effort. If the build is overly complex or inherently weird with animation cancels-- removal of auto attack bindings or so on its going to be judged negatively by me; because instead of a 5 minute build rundown you're looking at hours of practice in the golem room. If it's a build I can't learn on VG or Gorseval in a casual PUG Group it's going pretty low on the tier list. But hey- that's why people watch right; if I did everything dead on accurate to how you felt about them, you wouldn't have even commented!
Should put a timestamp between the dps tier list and boon tier list now the vid is all bundled tgt with no separations
Amazing that in 2024 people still cannot swap out a utility for lightning hammer or ice bow on ele and have the same cc as any else...
Sadly with how most things are with Ele there's generally just a single flex spot in your utils. So yes, tehnically you are correct but, sadly, you tend to be more selfish so you can survive.
#EleMain :(
As a 2k hour ele main myself, the class is just trash tbh. Ele is stuck in gw1.
@@NDfeerer10 nah it isnt trash, good at some things bad at others. Boondps catalyst is actually pretty neat!
@@NDfeerer10 lol qcata after buffs is so broken and u talk stuff like that xdd its just not class for everyone, no matter if they will spend 2 or 5k hours on it, also power tempest doing insane numbers rn, so yeah i get ur point that it may be frustrating since it needs a lot of effort, and even then u cant be sure it'll payoff, but class itself has insane potential and works for those,,special" ppl(:
@ other classes do the same or more with less. I’m not gonna argue with you that ele can’t do good things, but numbers and benchmarks and “pro” TH-camr vids don’t represent the game for majority of players. Ele is good in dedicated groups that focus on synergies and allow the class to shine, but that doesn’t always happen in a pug environment. Especially in CM pugs. I think most players can lvl 80 boost another class and have similar or better results. What ele does in damage, it lacks in almost everything else. No weapon swap, no boon strip, low barrier, low cc, low armor, low hp, abilities/boons/cc etc spread between 4 ability bars with their own individual cooldown, competing talents, low stability, low aegis, selfish dps with low utility, ele elite STILL disappears when mounting or entering water, mostly melee gameplay. There are tiny workarounds around a few of those things, but again, a lot more effort for the player. It’s a good class: I’ve done the entire game with mine, but I’m not disillusioned to its general weakness. Maybe it is broken. When I start seeing them in my cms instead of mesmers, necros, guardians, I’ll believe you.
Hey, I just wanted to tell everyone to not get discouraged by the rating, especially if you are a new player. If you like your spec's playstyle and are good at it, you can beat the vast majority of people on the lfg. The relative power of each build is also very dependant on your group composition, phase times, the specific fight you take it to and the respective game mode. Harbinger for example is an easy S tier in 99 and 98 CM.
Anyway nice video Sil, putting holo in C tier is a crime lmao, but I understand your opinion :D No build can be for everyone and honestly, that's good.
ANGRY HOLOSMITH NOISES
Hey Sneb long time no chat. MAN FK HOLOSMIF I SAID WAT I SAID.
I understand you want to move on from gw2 content creation, I also understand tierlists are highly subjective. What I dont understand is why bother making the video at all if you’re not even explaining why this or that is better, no mention of specific boons over others, no explanations on synergies, this video just felt rushed. Not trying to be mean, still watched and liked but I felt I had to make this point.
@lostpotato8363 good feedback. It's valid.
FB and scourge does get a lot of benefits solely from their spec mechanics. No wonder they always end up high on tier lists.
was looking for this video after taking a long break. doesn’t seem like much has changed lol ggs
No timestamps bro 4reals
@@rafaelteles4161 cus people won't watch the video.
Healing builds in my opinion Tank as following:
S: Chrono, Firebrand, Druid, Scourge (Has a reason to be here)
A: Mechanist, Catalyst, Herald (has some flaw holding them from S tier)
B: Tempest, Scrapper (Other things are just better)
C: Reneagde, Willbender, Specter (I have yet to find these players)
- Rest I don't know how viable they are. (I have not played these builds)
I agree you placing DPS Mechanist to B tier but in my opinion it should be next to Scrapper.
Basically my only disagreement is Heal Catalys being better than Heal Tempest.
Power Tempest definitely deserves S tier >:( , i'd also swap Catalyst with Scourge on the boon dps tier list since Catalyst has insane boon generation and insane damage too, although Scourge has good utility the boons nor the damage can be compared with Catalyst (Herald sure still has an edge over it).
I think power temp is great, just lacks CC ;( rebound is OP though.
@SilhouetteGaming1 ye it doesn't have much cc but i dont think just that knocks it to A tier, it has a lot of great things going on for it (damage, burst, cleave, its ranged, healing from water traitline, ocasional might generation, rebound, and water ele is huge in some situations)
What did they do to Condi Virt? Its crazy low on Snowcrows benchmarks now
came back after a break, harbinger feels noticably worse than before....time to learn virt i guess.
Tyvm for the video my boy Sil!
S tier should be pink, or just renamed mesmer tier.
Meanwhile Mirage single-handedly brings down the whole Mesmer spec to the bottom 🤣.
@@sanguin3 I just considering Mirage to be open world and PvP spec tbh, because it's great out there.
Great video. There’s great resources on websites out there for builds, but they seem to have backed off on tier lists or clear ratings. I think that is a political decision, which I think is wrong. People should be able to look at something like this and clearly understand what works the best.
Agreed
What is the sb build dps ?
I really liked this! And I'm just a noob
Support specter is fun 😊
You know what, this seems fun. I wanna do my own tierlist but I will only rank things that I played. And I will rank them based on how much I enjoy them, so its not purely based on numbers, although high numbers obviously help.
DPS:
S+: Power Holo
S: Condi Mech (Spear), Condi Willbender, Condi Harbinger, Power Catalyst
A: Condi Holo, Power Dragonhunter, Power Vindicator, Condi Mech (P/P)
B: Power Tempest, Condi Virt, Power Scrapper
C: Condi Scourge, Power Reaper, Condi Chronomancer, Power Virt, Condi Tempest
D: Condi Mirage
For my reasonings, Power Holo is just too good in fractals with its burst damage, holo 2 is a great way to get swiftness which also helps in fractals. It looks flashly, and when it clicks, it clicks really well. And currently it is the build I play the closest to the benchmark DPS. (About 38-39k DPS in the golem with no stat infusions)
Spear added some needed complexity to the P/P Condi Mech and it looks more flashy and does more DPS so that’s always a plus. I still use P/P CMech in fights that favor range like the Silent Surf and Deepstone fractals for example, but P/P is too boring imo.
Condi Willbender is fast and does damage so why not.
Without Harbinger I wouldnt play Necro at all, other specs are just not fun to me.
Power Catalyst is special to me because I studied the hammer variant for like 5-6 hours straight at the golem, for a few days, and it clicked with me really well after that. To this day it is the build I studied the most (like study study, just at the golem, no encounters) with actual success at the end. With the same order of skills but doing them faster and better, I managed to get from 22k DPS to 36k DPS in the end, which tbh for hammer is really really good. Spear is even better than that.
Condi Mirage is the opposite of Catalyst for me, in the sense that I tried it really hard after Virt and Chrono both didnt click at all for me, and Mirage like the others just didnt click at all. Mesmer in general to me is the worst class I played in this game after Necro which at least has Harbinger that I enjoy. I literally don’t enjoy anything Mesmer. I do somewhat decent damage with Virt (About 34k) but I have no idea what I am doing and its not fun.
For boon supports I only play Condi Alac Mech, Condi Quick Harb, Condi Alac Tempest, and Power Quick Catalyst. Among those my favorite is probably Alac Mech followed by Quick Harb. Alac Mech is my fav because its also really good in Open World due to it having Ritualist gear. Having 26k health is insane to me as a boon DPS, and even with 50 stacks of essences in Convergences only brings it down to like 13k health which makes it really comfy to play.
For heals I only ever tried Heal Tempest and I found healing in general as too stressful to enjoy so I kinda gave up on playing healers. I will also try Heal Mech at some point since I know Engi the best and kits are fun, but I am not really hopeful.
Well that was kinda long but hopefully having this long of a comment is good for the YT algorithm or something :)
It's legit!
Oh and a special thanks for the shoutout! ❤
My earlier comment was before finishing the video!
"its bad because its bad"
Good info buddy.
Hell yeah (?)
I would play Spellbreaker, but I detest Warrior off-hand mace and hammer
So Unga bunga Berseker go brrr
For me, none of the alac or quick dps classes currently are fun.
Holo's not *that* hard to play :/
It doesn't provide any extra utility, but the CC is decent.
Maybe im just bad at it, i feel managing the heat mechanic alongside a fast pace rotation isnt ideal especially with hidden cooldowns of kits if you play a kit variation.
It comes down to class mastery i've maimed engi for so long that managing the CD for diff kits is force of habit
@@SilhouetteGaming1 I honestly think the heat mechanic makes it easier in some ways. You have a visual indication of where you are in your rotation. When you're almost full, time to leave holo mode. When you're under 100 heat, time to stop what you're doing and enter holo mode. The holo mode rotation is just 3, 4, auto, 3 and leave, but it's not a big loss to leave early if you're not confident about avoiding overheating.
I wouldnt say that holo cc is decent, its subpar at best you have elite, f1 and maybe mines, nothing else cc. but its not that hard to play and its pretty fun
@rgentry9 i tried to say that it was S tier if you have a good understanding of the class, but unlike some of the other DPS options it takes some fidelity in understanding engineer to get the most out of it. Power scrapper for instance has a similar bench without all of the extra knowledge requirements.
Damn that’s crazy, I guess I should just delete my elementalist then, cause I usually roll as weaver 😔 truly such a sad day.
(I’m obviously joking, the spec is absolute pain for anyone not already very familiar with ele)
Hey! It's been a while since I've seen you comment. You've been here before.. don't pretend like you didn't know I disliked ele haha
@ yeah I’m around! Don’t always comment but I do watch the videos :)
But yeah I just thought it was really funny that you dropped weaver in the nope pile without mercy. Judging by the rest of the comments (and the new video) I guess a lot of people didn’t find it as funny to see a spec they like be ranked poorly. 😂
@Psoewish mostly it seems like holosmith players. I've clowned ele multiple times, even having full satire videos devoted to the memes and it's fine, but I say one bad thing about holo and everyone loses their minds haha
Don't get me wrong, I love Weaver and play it a ton, but it just brings nothing to the table. When it was top dps with easy rotation it was justifiable, but now ptempest is just straight better. More boon access, alac, way easier/faster/more CC. Weaver does dps. That's it. No utility lol. IMO they should make an alac mechanic based on "weaving" between elements. Like every time you swap elements you emit alac within X radius
@@mikehodges841 Awful idea when tempest already has alac. Leave weaver as pure dps but make it atleast excell at it.
Pretty bad
nice
Alacrity mech good? Really man?
It's an okay build (it's okay to call them noobs).
I have participated in very strong raid groups where alac mech works just fine lol. It's easy and reliable as an adps or ham. Jesus not just to single you out but these comments are exhausting with how much you're grasping to insult sil
@@VamanaGW2 gasping to insult? My sister (definitely woman hands wrote that comment) in balthazar where's the insult to sil?
We're talking about the game and about alac mech being "good" despite the fact it has no utility and meh dps.
Sometimes men can disagree with each other without finding it insulting. Crazy concept, right?
Those damm water wipes man
Water Wipes?
Oh the Add. Yeah i got a 4YR. also i be shittin pretty heavy sometimes too ngl
So random😴
Still playing my Mirage don't careeeeeeeeeeee
With all due respect, but I think this is completely inaccurate.
You recognized Virtuoso and Soulbeast as top builds correctly, the rest ranges just from ??? to "okay, I guess if you're considering that it's difficult/easy to play you can maaybe make the argument that..."
Like, you put Herald in C Tier as a DPS build, despite it benching like 6k DPS lower than Power Holosmith and having very poor burst (comparatively).
Tier Lists are inherently subjective, but you were still just flat out wrong on some things.
It's 100% accurate. I am a PUG and so are the large majority of the GW2 playerbase. Rem you are amongst a minority when it comes to your ability to play/understand this game, which is good for you, however just because there's a core guardian build that AFKs 30k dps doesn't mean I think it's good either. It's a balance between reward and effort. If the build is overly complex or inherently weird with animation cancels-- removal of auto attack bindings or so on its going to be judged negatively by me; because instead of a 5 minute build rundown you're looking at hours of practice in the golem room. If it's a build I can't learn on VG or Gorseval in a casual PUG Group it's going pretty low on the tier list.
But hey- that's why people watch right; if I did everything dead on accurate to how you felt about them, you wouldn't have even commented!
How dare u, harbinger is way better than reaper and scourge, hand to hand with willbender, certainly not as good as virtuoso but man >:v
@@Mahett.2157 i don't hate it! I'm gonna have to do a revised tier list.
You forgot the best healer in the game . HEAL BERSERKER the ONE AND ONLY . THE BEST .THE MIGHTY . THE MOST FUN
Heal berserker. Fun. 😂😂😂
Oh heal berserker is D tier.
@@SilhouetteGaming1more of S++ tier you mean 😑
@o.omar6t696 i did a standalone vid on heal berserker annndd it's not very positive lol
@@SilhouetteGaming1 i know , I'm just joking cuz i kinda like it 😂
Total no to this list, like spell break in S? Wtf and mechanist the most easily class to play in B, hell no, horrible list
This list is infallible. Absolute and perfect on every way. It is hard to confront the truth, but you too will come to know it eventually.
I'm panning around, and there is no indication what you are building. You keep resetting the chart. Bad video, thumbs down.
He did 3 lists. Dps, boon dps, and healers in that order.
Sorry to disappoint buddy.
Skill issue
Are you seriously judging a video for not making sense when you don't actually watch it?
@@xLeopanther I wanted to skip to the end to see the tier list but found it constantly resetting with no visual indicator of what I'm looking at