Dungeons and Dragons Lore: Genasi
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- Infused with elemental power, the Genasi is part mortal and part primordial, usually the result of Genies who long ago interbred with Humans of the Prime Material worlds, they are a diverse and interesting group with excellent potential as player characters.
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My players were plane jumping and accidentally got into the positive energy plan instead of blowing up i had them be teleported into a bubble made by some positive energy genis i made
That is a pretty good idea!
I brought it up on genisi becouse of couse the bard tried to seduce
Can they produce a lightsaber? I could see it since the positive energy plane overloads you with power/energy, them being able to produce a beam of energy that might heal injured people it hits, and deals positive damage to those that have full health. Though in my mind when i think of a positive energy Genasi the image of a mad scientist that has his/her hair standing up an arcs of energy coursing around them.
That could be although im working on a radiant genasi which could fit the same necth as that
Im not the guy doing videos but i do give suggestions
This is what happens when an elemental conjurer gets too friendly with the elemental summons.
So, when your bard learns conjuration? Lol
Air: @7:14 Fire: @9:51 Smoke: @12:13 Water: @14:33 Steam: @18:25 Ice: 19:20 Earth: @21:02 Magma: 23:13 Dust: 24:26 Ooze: 25:51 Abyssal: 26:50
I wonder if there are any Salt, Mineral, Ash, Ligntning or Radiance Genasi?
Thanks !
Thank you so much
@@ecchidragon8038 well if you have the patience to homebrew it and there's a corresponding plane
@@lordnul1708 Yes on the Planes... At least last time I checked.
Fun as always. I just had the party encounter a half elemental half dragon and it was fun... they still think they killed him. Oh they are wrong
I love the concept of the Genesai, it's so cool! I didn't even know about the law/chaos ones, or the abyss tainted ones! I wanna play a water, ooze, or ice Genesai next I get to play!
Cameron Flack
lol nice profile pic
You had me at "disturbingly flexible limbs." I literally laughed out loud (while simultaneously cringing) when I heard that.
Idk if you still read comments on older videos, but I love your channel. I stumbled upon it because I watch a lot of videos about lore/mythology and now I seriously want to start playing D&D.
That said one should not try to make love with a flame.
I always wondered how a Genasi would be viewed and treated in the Feywild.
I think where D& D dropped the ball, they could've given Earth Genasi Tremor Sense and Air Genasi Blind Sight up to 30' or 60'. This could be because of their connection with the elements. Earth genasi can feel the movement of any creature on the ground near them and the Air genasi can feel the vibrations in the air. Fire Genasi can see the heat rising off of objects with their dark vision, and water can see clearly in any body of water (total obscurity equals light obscurity, and light obsurity equals clear vision).
Awesome. I were looking for a good plausible excuse as to how my adventuring party would stumble upon a friendly inn in the middle of the frozen north for a 'base' and place of lore and hints. And here you come with the Ice Genasi as my savior! Thank you for another great video :)
*tips hat* Just doing my job. *proceeds to Mosey away*
I have a water genasi character who uses her powers to drink vinegar in order to intimidate people. Acid resistance is the best
I can practically drink vinegar irl. lol
The only Genasi you missed was the Storm Genasi 👍🏼💯
I read the title of this video and I (internally) started jumping up and down while crying, like one of those girls at a Beatles concert... Bless you Mr. Pickett. Definitely the race I'm choosing for my first ever campaign (whenever that comes about, haha)
I'm currently playing an air genasi with a home brew class called a wind blade. It's really fun.
The Rock Lesnar was hilarious. I almost spit tea all over.
I can see why you love these as characters, AJ. Another great video that's absolutely going to add to my current and future games. I genuinely cant thank you enough for all this information.
can't wait to see what player race is next thanks for all the hard work and effort you put into your videos
Oh cool! This information will come in handy. I'm playing a water genasi cleric later on tonight.
Even though this was posted two years ago its amazingly informative. I never even knew about the other subspecies of Genasi aside the basic 4! I was very intrigued till the very end.
P.s If possible could u cover the PeraGenasi?
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@AJPickett also if possible could cover duel element genasi the peragenasi?
I get back up again when I get knocked down, I get up again, never gonna keep me down! OOOO Genasi boy, Genasi booyy ooooohhh
I love elementals in fantasy, no different in D&D. Having the option to play as an elementally infused humanoid is just fucking cool. You can keep your half dragons, demons and angels.
I especially love the Air Genasi, fits right into that Arabian Knight theme. If I get into a game I would love to play as a Prince of Persia type, probably reflavour the Monk to be less of a Shoalin monastary trained Kung Fu master and more of a Desert Bandit parkourist with a scimitar. Kensei would work, that way I could reflavour the Longsword as a long ass Scimitar.
Backstory would probably involve a merchant finding a lamp, and making a pact with a female Genie/Djinn. He gets to be rich and successful, she gets a son (the character) and freedom on the prime plane. He could then be raised in the deserts, helping those lost in sandstorms.
Super excited to play my first DnD game this weekend with my fire genasi character, thanks for the info! 🔥
Congratulations I hope you have a great time
My first character is also gunna be a genasi
When (if) I get back into gaming, the Genasi will replace a LOT of the stuff I created decades to be more in the spirit of the current game. I first got into it in the 90s when a player had a story about having a Marid father who had a fetish for "dry-landers" who fell in love with his mother. I spend a whole summer creating the elementally infused, including how Shapechange is needed during situations to not kill the mate and-or spawn. I can throw out my cumbersome point-based system of over-thinking. I'm keeping my version of "Teifling" because I like it better than Planescape's version of lower-planar touched beings. Great video AJ. You are my best link to modern AD&D.
Idea for a Genasi:
Half Ifrit and Half Bugbear = A huge goblin who's body is wreathed in flames, instead of thick fur!
Genius mate, I love this nightmare
Endeavor
I've watched your stuff for a while now, and I love your work and how you've covered the lore of D&D. I'm a player of the D&D based game called NeverWinter, and I find it fun watching your videos and learning about all things D&D based. Lol
Thanks for helping expand my knowledge, keep up the GREAT work! 💗
YES YES YES YES! Was super excited when you talked about this video in Discord!!!!
One quote comes to mind for a Water Genasi Monk "Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless - like water. Now you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
Hurray for working late get to see this early. 3:37 am here
I kinda wanna draw the four abys Genasi as the four horsemen, haha
Thanks AJ. IDK if anyone else played Neverwinter Nights 2 but that was my first time even seeing a Genasi. Before this, all I knew was fire ones were crazy, and all the others were just odd. Now I kind of want to see who's still playing on the Baulders Gate Server.
A lot of people.
Thank you for all this info!
I'm currently making an Air Genasi Drunken Master monk. But I also have an idea for a water genasi fighter, and an earth barbarian.
Well I got my questions answered about ice Genasi. My favorite of the lot. Hope to get the opportunity to play one some day. Thanks !
Ooze Genasi could also just be an anime goo girl
Put that on a list of topics never to google again.
I actually play a fire genashi sorcerer with the golden dragon bloodline and a ring of warmth to add...Im bassically fire incarnate
I think this is my favorite race. I like elements so it's only natural.
My favourite npc was a fire genasi red half dragon sorcerer she was an information broker slash collector called Sharmain fun times
Thanks for the descriptions!
I'm currently playing an air genasi who was raised on the plane of air by his noble genie mother. He is currently vacationing on the Prime material.
LOOOL
Imagining him sending postcard images via crystal
LOOK MOM
PALM TREES
"They can exhale constantly." This sentence made me so happy. Love when people know that exhalation is the key part of breathing, and inhalation is just the mechanical setup. It's not the taking in of oxygen that's needed, but the removal of Carbon via Carbon dioxide. X3. And I never doubted you, of all people, would know that. X3. But it's still a little nice joy of mine. XP
Huzzah! Thanks very much for this one, and the information. Will be very handy.
I think there was an ice man in 1st ed. a proto genasi that had some mention about how humans might have survived the last ice age or such.
Neverwinter Nights 2 added air, water, fire and earth genasi in one of it's expansions. They where all given fighter as preferred class. Maybe the game can be modded to remedy that. In any case this is an interesting clip as usual.
Fighter class is as flexible as the Genasi race so it's bound to be successful and it's because of the Con bonus.
WOOOOOOOOOO! About time AJ!!!!!!!!
like warforged,genasi are fun and vibrant characters to play iv'e played a "light" Genasi and a "storm" genasi,both of which were sorcerers.
Wonderful video. I play a stormsoul in our campaigns since 4e times. It's as if the subtype of my character never existed in the first place. Sad, but still love the race.
Goid evening AJ,just saw a statement you made about working on elemental videos you might think about doing one on Tome Guardians,theyre pretty neat! My mages in Waterdeep use them to protect their spellbooks!
Whenever I go with a genasi it's typically a para-genasi, often of the smoke variety. If it's not in Sigil, I'll still find a way for it to make sense (for example drunken wanderings and shenanigans involving a portal key). My personal favorite out of these was Enen-Rah the Mystic, who's had this happen enough times that the Lady of Pain decided Enen-Rah would be the de facto diplomat of Sigil due to his neutral alignment.
One of my favorite player races.
Mine to :)
love the new intro
I wish this was a playable race in DDO.
I'm currently playing a fire genasi path of beast barbarian, her mother a weretiger and her father an irfriti bard. She's a former mercenary turned freelancer due to being blamed for the deaths of the group's officers. This event split her soul in two, one being the happy go lucky Feyanah, who while raging is a simple death machine requiring orders to stop fighting, and the other being Ikari, the calculating and mistrustful half, cracking one-liners when raging. The party hasn't met the actual person that the body belongs to yet.
"its complicated" status confirmed.
My character in the Princes of the Apocalypse campaign I'm a part of is a Water Genasi Horizon Walker Ranger named Marina on a account of her aqua-blue skin that's constantly wet and unable to be dried due to her naturally created skin moisture and she has a good amount of spells as Call of the Wave means she has the Create Water Cantrip, Acid Splash Cantrip, Create and Destroy Water spell, and Water Walk Spell(yes I'm taking features from both the classic 5E version found in Elemental Evil's Companion, and the retconned 5E version found in Mordenkainen's Monsters of the Multiverse) Cure Wounds, Detect Magic, and Hail of Thorns as her starting Ranger Spells, and Protection from Good and Evil as her first Horizon Walker Spell.
I always liked having the Genasi being less inclusive in my setting, and actually being more nomadic, and quite like the Gypsies of Europe.that travel in bands along both their own routes an trade routes between the many cities of the world. Each Genasi type serving a different role in the Gypsy band from entertainers an guards to those less trustworthy members of the community. They band together not from a fact of prejudice they felt from other races, but from a kinship they feel from each other as they wander the world on their wanderlust to experience all the world has elementally to give, before settling down in an area that calls to them an having children.
Though I will admit i would have fun running a adventure/campaign in which a group of players arriving in a town/city/village that a Genasi gypsy band had set up temporary base outside the town/city/village limits, which might even put up a carnival type establishment. Imagine seeing fire Genasi that breathed fire or juggled it even might mold flames into different flaming images, the Water Genasi dancing an doing gymnastics, the wind Genasi doing acrobatics on the high wire, while the earth Genasi might just be something like Bouncers an strong men of the band. The the para-Genasi might be more like the carny types that run games, maybe acting like fortune tellers, some even being those that ran things behind the scenes. Yet it would also be fun if the party noticed strange iconography in the carnival, and the party maybe hearing about people going missing after the band had left afew night later. An after they chase after the Genasi band thru several more towns finding them outside larger town setting up camp and proceeding to explore the camp find evidence that some fo the Genasi in the band are aligned with the princes/princesses of elemental chaos could be a fun little adventure.
I play as a water genasi warlock in the campaign I'm apart of and grew up as a nomad; basically my human mother was the leader of a small religious group who traveled around the country (think of fantasy Hare Krishnas, haha).
My first ever character was a Fire Genasi wizard. He was haughty, capricious, and aloof. He was banished from his noble house in the City of Brass to live a mortal life.
Man was he ever fun to play
I liked this video. Thank you, Aj.
Made a slyph warlock for my friends campaign. It's essentially an air genasi only She has a fairy parent instead of human. So she's just big enough to be small instead of tiny like the other fairys she grew up around in the fey wilds, and she doesn't have wings she moves through the air at will. Unfortunately my dm doesn't want anyone to have natural flight so I had to cripple her by giving her a fear of heights. She has to make a wis. Save when she flys over 10ft in the air that increases in difficulty every 5ft.
I have an idea for a genasi character for a future game. Basically, the idea I have in mind is a person who is born as a fire Genasi (due to an ancestor being exposed to elemental energy). The thing is, she is nothing like how fire Genasi are typically described, instead being kind and noncombative. After accidentally set her home on fire (she had no idea who or even what she was) and being orphaned, she goes into hiding and becomes a monk in order to better control her abilities to aid others.
I personally see the element as an influence rather than a strict denominator. With fire people often focus on its destructive capability and volatility, however fire also brings warmth and light.
My storm paladin was kia against nightwalkers. Running a water genasi druid of the circle of dragons (white dragon). He was raised by assassins (i kinda created sub zero) but they were killed by an ifreeti sultan so now he seeks vengeance. We r currently attacking a castle and im jist reigning down icy death each round.
My Water Genasi Monk has a mohawk made of soft flowing Coral of different blues reds and greens as found in the sea. Sea green skin with dark blue green scales down his forearms with tattoos of dark green kelp that flow up his humorous...
Wait magma genasi don’t have fire resistance?
(Any/all)
I love genasi and planetouched in general. Fey'ri are my hands down favorite though. Sounded strange to hear fey'ri and tieflings to be included under the umbrella term "genasi."
karatemancometh yeah, nobody calls them genasi, but technically, they are outsiders and that is what the word means.
Couldn’t sleep all night so ok
They seem like a player who wants to start out strong might choose this.unlike choosing a cleric thats a gnome
You underestimate the Gnomes at your peril!
*Gnome acrobatic burglar rolls next to AJ and stands up*
Did this guy just imply being a gnome sucks? Ooo... I love it when people think that. So goblin of him.
Are you making a refence to pike on critical role?
Wouldn’t air genasi also be good rangers? Shooting an arrow and knowing how the wind would affect it?
You don't need to be a ranger to use range weapons, but yes.
4 years ago Jesus it still feels like it’s 2020 but I’ve gotten much better with dnd
I really like the story about the ice genasi. I just finished making a monster called a Hoarfrost Dragon born in the Frostfell so it's nice to know the Hoarfrost Dragon has some friends. These things are some real monsters.
Wait ice genasi oh man I didn't know those existed
That first picture in the Fire Genasi section at 9:52 looks like it's Meredith Stannard, holding her Red Lyrium sword.
what about the storm genasi? I play one how is part of our version of the mafia.
A.J.. I've always pronounced it Jinaasi as well!
Good to hear someone actually pronounces it correctly.
Not Ghen-asi.
I'm new to these videos and I must say they are really informative I would personally like more videos on the gods and goddesses of the game for example Mystra that way we can know more of what they would be like character wise
Derek Dumas check out Jorphdan on youtube, he is doing a complete series on them.
AJ Pickett yeah but your videos on subjects are far more informitave and detailed than his are at least to me when it comes to content you have more going on granted he gives a brief description of them but with you you seem to go as far into the subject at hand as possible
True, that is my forte. I make the videos that I would want to find if I were looking for info on a specific subject.
AJ Pickett keep up the good work I look forward to your videos
So this is the aftermath of that copypasta about the guy fucking a flame atronach
Building a home brew campaign that takes place after Storm Kings Thunder. I set this new continent called Ostoria (yes, the ostoria). Annam’s wife Othea had an affair with Utuliu, the elemental deity. In known lore, this is where cyclops, firbolgs, and other strange giant kin are from. Instead I changed it so there are 4 new giants, where the paraelemental planes are. I had to make 4 new genies, which means 4 new Genasi races, and 4 new elemental. These would be Ice, Smoke, Ooze, and Magma. The giant form is mist instead of ice, as they already have a frost giant. I’ll upload to DMs Guild eventually
Loved the content, but unsure of the source of the para-elemental Genasi.
That said, I agree on Genasi and other unusual choices. I tend to play them myself.
Currently DMing an Air Genasi Horizon Walker with a musket. What a great character.
The Para-genasi come from a dragon magazine article, I had to adapt the stats for 5th edition as best I could.
People really get into these backgrounds.
We can all agree that air Genasi are the most beautiful types of genasi
Hey AJ, I've been watching your videos for a while now and I really appreciate the content you push out, but I wanted to let you know (if for some reason you haven't already noticed) that your "ess"s tend to be a bit harsh in the audio. the source of this could be many things, but I just wanted to let you know that they're pretty harsh in this video. I don't know what you are using for audio mixing, but there are lots of ways to reduce that, as most video editors (like premiere) come with default effects that can lower the harshness of the "ess" sounds (I believe premiere's is called DeEsser).
anyway, I love the content as usual, and thanks for all your work!
EROgames thanks for the feedback, I might try not boosting the treble
Can I get a reference for the smoke gensai that sounds cool
Dust Genasi sounds like Salad Fingers
TheSinfultictac *visibly shudders* They like it when the red water comes out.
"I love to touch rusty spoons with my salad fingers it's simply _orgasmic_
Seems like the water Genasi could be good priests/priestesses of Dagon.
Made a escaped dao slave dragonborn earth genasi stone sorcerer. With spells like earthen grasp and slow. His name is Dusty.
Out of curiosity, how would you rule a Jann origin Genasi? The all-elemental plane genies that are most comfortable in the Prime Material Plane.
I had my homebrew rules. I also had a player character version of Janns (in the campaigns I allowed Pixies). I had them as naturally comely, charming, and burly (bonus to STR, CON, and CHA) but less agile to innate body bulk and more negatively impulsive and headstrong by being a mortal hybrid (negatives to DEX and WIS). The mortal race modifies that on top of those. No matter the mortal parent race (which they were a modified version of), they can take any class but also have that race's limits and gifts psionically speaking. Upon creation, they were always the maximum height for their race and gender and favored the heavier (muscle mass) side. I also granted the player to customize elemental attunement, bonus to resistances and gifts to certain elements if they took weaknesses and vulnerabilities to others relative to the bonuses. In case you noticed (by now), I had a library of options in my campaigns. Newcomers could just pick one of my premade characters. I had hundreds (I spat out one or two a week when bored) that were really iconically basic. Interested players could just take their character from another campaign world and I would convert it to mine as close as possible. Veteran players would use my way-too-complex (always a work in progress) system to create their own vision.
So... Mighty Gluestick... the best DM I know to date (a guy inspiring me to DM again)... how would you do a Jann Genasi? You apparently never fell into the congestive over-thinking that I did. Please, give me (us) your insights as a guy who is 3 editions (I'm a home-brew 2nd Ed guy) beyond me. No, I am not being sarcastic. I love your videos and insights.
You know a cross class druid \sorcerer ice Genasi could be alot of fun thanks for the idea
Interesting, I always took them to be the resulting offspring of elemental and humanoid; bred, not born of elemental stuff. A great race born in the heyday of the planar setting.
Scott Po According to second and third edition that is how they come about, cross breeding between an elemental being and a mortal somewhere in the bloodline, just like Teiflings and such.
I'm going to make a fire genasi, and when she becomes angry, imagine Hades in Hercules.
I was able to use the fire genasi, the eldritch knight, and a homebrewed magic item to make a d&d version of Kamen Rider Hibiki
If Constitution is what determines how many times you get back up after being knocked out the Undertaker must have the highest Constitution ever
linguistically oversight 86 he's a level 20 barbarian with toughness and read the manual of bodily health.
Cuz theres fire in my body
There is fire in my heart
If a genie could breed with a humanoid to produce a genasi, could an alimental breed with regular animals to produce animals infused with elemental power? Like some animal version of the genasi?
I always thought Genasi were descendants of Djinn, Efreeti, ect hedonism or part of the legacy of the Djinn's honor, the boon they offered was a connection to the elemental planes. And they get some nooki in return. Of course they would look at it as they are GIVING pleasure.
could you do a video on the city of brass or other locations in the elemental planes?
Mr RheXx literally just posted a video on the City of Brass th-cam.com/video/2dCUPw0KZKM/w-d-xo.html
@@AJPickett yeah I'm going to watch that too I'm planning a quest for my party based on some of his ideas about green dragons at the moment
please johnny depp on critical role as a dust genasi
Vin Diesel as a Magma Genasi...
Why are there so many human hybrids, but so few hybrids that don't involve humans?
Seems like wasted potential.
Captain Kirk. Actually, it is mostly just a matter of distribution and cultural habits, Humans tend to flock to danger.
Even then, you'd think there'd be a few more running around.
Like Neverwinter City has several races as inhabitants.
Humanity has a few things most other races do not. One of those is the desire to try to..."breed" with anything. In DnD this also takes the form of them having the ability to seemingly breed with anything.
Humans are the USB ports of Fantasy.
Well there are lots of dragon hybrids of sorts.
My goodness, I had no idea how many types of genasi there are. I feel a little bit gypped with Elemental Evil providing only 4 of them!
And those smoke genasi, they're smoking hot ;)
Do you have the transcripts of these videos posted to Patreon?
Where can I find the para-genasi stats?
Are there the mixed para elemental Genasi like a Dust, Smoke, Mist, Steam, Magma, Ooze, Ice, or Mud?
Yes.
Watch the whole video Steven!
lol, also yes.
I get the feeling there is little lore to Steam Genasi because not many live all that long to make anything of their constant boasting. I mean they make up the worst aspects of both fire and water Genasi...so every other living thing in the multiverse would all want to murder the insufferable prick ASAP LOL!
I wonder how the Drow would react towards a Genasi with Drow blood?
Manipulatively, with a side order of deadly.
A bit sad but not unexpected ;]
Depends on if it was a male Drow/Genasi, or or a Female Drow/Genasi. If it were male Genasi meeting a female Drow well the female might look down on it as inferior to her, but worth a look for what could be gained for the spider goddess, while if it were a female Genasi they still might feel superior to the female Genasi yet value them over most of the male an female Drows for the potential in their blood.
I expect that Drow Genasi would lean towards the Earthly plane given where they are located. In that case the Drow might value them for bringing in a more durable frame provided they still have a proper amount of dexterity.
Edit: Though that added patience is sure out of place in the most places of the Underdark. Not that Drow can't be patient, but it's not usually something they are comfortable with when unbound hedonism and murder are stone's throw away.
Who was that Retiarius Drow Weapon master? Uthegentel Del'Armgo? He was extraordinarily large for a Drow at over six feet, but seemed to be treated with proper respect despite rumors that he wasn't of pure Drow blood. (And considering how Xenophobic the Drow are that's saying something. Though I suppose an based Drow Genasi could maintain the ebony skin and really only have the frame telling them apart.)
He was also used as breeding stock if I remember correctly, so you might want to keep Drow Genasi away from _that_ player.
Fire Genasi? Might be less mercurial than the average Drow to be honest. Unless the tempers are added together, then they would be a hefty level in Chaotic-Stupid. Might have issues in stealth, which would be frowned upon.
Air wouldn't be too much of a change. More of a dick in keeping with Drow society.
Water would bring some much needed calm.
But they probably all end up being fed to a spider, let's be honest.
As much as I love the different flavor of lore for each type. Wouldn't the Fire Genasi seeing heat as shades of red give them essentially truesight? In the military I got to use infrared and night vision often and I always preferred the former so I'd imagine it'd be a similar comparison with heat vision compared to any variant of dark vision.
From the video, 11:15 , it sounds like that's only for their Dark Vision. So when their eyes adjust to low light they can see heat in shades of red. It all comes down to DM's discretion. Maybe anything above 0 gives off red, or only things hotter than a small mammal, absorbed sunlight, torches, etc., just some arbitrary threshold. Then you'd also have to deal with undead, ice/water/stone creatures, cold blooded, and even conjured heat or fire used to purposely obscure the genasi's vision. And I believe truesight let's you see through magics and darkness. Truesight is better than a fire genasi's darkvision, and their darkvision isn't necessarily better than other darkvision. As it could be a detriment if, as soon as the lights are out, they start seeing red with no choice or control over it.
Matthew Dylla classically infravision doesn’t allow you to see undead as they are ambient temperature. So dark vision might be better in that case.
@@Im-Not-a-Dog but that's not true? Density, liquid content, atmospheric pressures all play a role in heat and thermal dissipation. So if you have a body(dead or alive) next to a rock and next to a plant they all have varying heat readings whereas with NVGs you only get a basic light reflection which can be extremely difficult to interpret in unknown settings. I'll admit however that a lot of this comes down to the quality of the optic but I would still say thermal vision would be better as the night vision I was able to use was newer than the thermal and yet the thermal allowed me to see contours, liquids, some tracking ability and defeats basic camo. Whereas the NVG was newer and still was much too grainy to be of much use without constant focus being needed. Writing that out you are back to the limits of "normal" vision at the best of times whereas thermal takes much more specific actions to fool.
Matthew Dylla I don’t disagree with the science. I’m just saying how I’ve heard it explained by dm’s. They aren’t always the most scientifically accurate of folks. Not that they have to be, considering the game is based in fantasy. But remember the all important rule when it comes to D&D; Your game, your rules. So if you’re DM’ing, you can basically use whatever logic you think is best, provided your players don’t completely disagree. And if your a player, explain why you disagree in the same manner as you did here and any decent DM will either agree and change how it works, or use in game logic to make it work, like magic(a great way around physics issues).
Matthew Dylla One good example as how undead avoid detection with heat vision had to do with the fact that undead are linked to the negative energy plane. Something along the lines of them not absorbing or radiating and actual thermal energy do to it not being a negative form of energy, and thus appearing invisible to heat vision. Probably wouldn’t work in real life, but with the way reality works in game it makes perfect sense.