Please note that supercharger sounds are not implemented yet, which is why I am not showing off the dyno in this LDU. I'll do that in a later LDU! Enjoy, cheers!
Can the comunity contribute to the forced induction sounds I personally have contacts with good sound recording equipment and access to forced induction cars such as porche caymans amg c63s supercharged hondas ect
Feedback for roots superchargers. A lot of ford engines especially mustangs put the intercooler in the valley of the V8 under the supercharger and feeds the air to the heads.
I thought sequential turbo's like on a porsche GT2 are not suquentially gated but rather sized and trimmed to have one turbo spool up earlier in the power band, however exhaust gasses pass through both turbo's all the time regulated by the external wastegate.
I seriously cannot believe what this game was.. has become.. and what it has in its future.. to everyone on the Automation team: You guys are awesome.. thank you for bringing a game like this to the masses!
Man I started playing the free trial back in 2012, finally bought the “Supercharged Edition” (I think it was my second pay check from my first job) almost 10 years ago today 25/11/2014 only to find out there was no superchargers in the game 😂😂, I remember chatting with one of the devs (Maybe Daffy?) on the website’s live chat and being told superchargers might get added soon but likely way down the line, 10 years, here we are. Love your work, I love seeing how far along you guys have come.
Awesome! Automation has helped lots of people get a better understanding for cars holistically :) I just hope you don't rely on numbers being perfectly accurate xD Cheers
So theoretically you can build electric turbos when centrifugal supercharger driven by electric motor instead of belt driven. It's really nice to see those dev updates and see the development of this nice game.
As a long time Automation fan (coming from about the 2011-2012 era, Finally seeing Superchargers after 12 years of waiting will be like Christmas morning. Great work to the Automation development team. Here's hoping we can spool them up and hear that beautiful whine soon.
5:39 - I prepared two Zetec Rocam 1 litre engines with the tiny Eaton M24 blowers. I operated those at 18000-19000 RPM to stay within the Eaton specs for street use and occasional track days, although some folks used to push it at 22000 RPM, which seriously pushed them towards the limits of the bearings, but for racing use it is ok. The Eaton TVS R410 (similar size to the M24) can go all the way up to 24000 RPM on the Eaton datasheet.
Yeah, I modeled everything off the Eaton superchargers and used their maps to aid figuring out how to generate ours :) you sure can push them higher than Eaton says you should, not great for the warranty, but hey, more performance!
Aluminum silicone heavy block can add 4 mm to the bore opposed to aluminum heavy who can add 3 mm instead. So the biggest engine possible would be 76.5L 😰
Glad to see it’s coming soon, been waiting quite a while since I beat the campaign and have made at least 100 different engines and cars and ran out of things to do. Very excited
I've had this game since 2016 and I have never once played campaign, I sit and make engines, slap it in a generic chasis and then go drag race it in BeamNG, such an amazing game!
Very excited for the new update! Glad that there's still some few early access games that keep getting steady updates while also being interesting to play in the meantime. I know this has nothing to do with this video, and that it's a very niche thing to implement in the near future (I suppose), but I saw the news that they're making new units of the Bentley Speed Six, and I was wondering (and looking at Morgan models, too), if there could be some sort of retro-prestige demographic, for extra exclusive cars like these special editions that use older bodies, and there's no penalty for using a 1955 body in 2000, for example.
We discussed that internally a few years back and something like this could potentially be done in a grand campaign setting where you designate the original model to have a successor, and depending on that one's sales / quality you'd get a boost to desirability for the new one. However, the retro modern stuff doesn't work like that due to safety regulations. You can't take the old body and build another one of those :) usually they have to be beefed up significantly to pass modern standards.
I remember the teaser from 2012 and me thinking: Oh boy, can't wait to get my hands on superchargers soon. This soon now almost is here I assume. Still hyped after a dozen years :D
This is a really niche game, something that will never appeal to the vast majority of people (who either aren't interested in cars, or don't want to put in this much time to learn everything). So I just want to say, I really appreciate you sticking with it for as long as you have. The result so far is very cool, and it's one of those games I'm always excited to see more out of!
@@AutomationGame Oh definitely! And I hope my comment didn't come across as rude. This game has taught me a lot, and I've found some really fun people on TH-cam doing series on it :)
Its great to see the development of Automation and the team's ambitions for the future! I wish you guys the best of luck! This game is amazing, for everyone who loves cars, engineering, management and learning! Thanks for the great work guys!
I just have to say, I adore this beautiful new engine artwork. I find myself just admiring the engines I design every now and again, and I suspect I will be doing that a whole lot more in the new update. Not sure why, but I think a centrifugal on an inline will look pretty cool... And don't even get me started on how stupid I'm going to be with supercharged boxers! I might just have to put aside my beloved carb ohv v8s for a while as I give superchargers a fun shake down. Really curious how the hell I'm going to use them on economy daily drivers. Just imagine how good a boxer 4 will sound with a supercharger whine. Hope they aren't too much more expensive than just whacking on a turbo. Thank you for doing all this work, figuring out the complex calculations to make this stuff work! I suspect this is going to be a lot of fun. It also just occured to me that were going to be able to build blown nitro motors... 500cc rocketship kei cars ftw!
Ohh yes, the new engine art is so much improved :) something I have not really mentioned at all. Basically a full year of one artist's work has gone into that. The superchargers are a lot of fun to use! Cheers
Oh my goodness!! cant wait to my engines go Vroom vroom and sound like i have in mind like certain real life counterparts. Thanks a lot for your valuable efforts on this one and the rest of the team of Automation killrob! :D
Automation dev be cooking with this one. Can't wait to experiment with this and I already have a few engines in mind that will use it this(a v12 that has some lag issues and tries to commit the die to achieve 3.6k horsepower, hopefully I can fix this. I'll be happy because reliability). Good job Mr automation.
twincharge turbo/centrifugal works if you use the centrifugal supercharger as the large compressor in a compound setup, use a very small turbo for quick spool degisned to run out of compressor flow, and use the higher flow of the centrifugal to help the small turbo keep up by operating at lower pressure ratios. still has lag but better than a bigger single turbo.
@@AutomationGame It's probably not the best way to do it, but it might be more compact/better packaging, likely cheaper to manufacture, and surely quicker to assemble when compared to compound turbos.
No, if that was the case then manufacturers would have done that, and there has never been a single production engine using that setup you're proposing. Compound turbos are used for Diesel engines, and twincharging has been done both with turbo first and supercharger first for petrol cars. :)
@@AutomationGame I was inspired by a procharger kit for the ecoboost Mustang, I dont know of any centrifugal supercharged engines at all. Also, it's a videogame where you can make your fantasy dream cars ;)
@@AutomationGame Lol. In all seriousness, though, it's awesome what you folks have done here, and I can't wait to see what kinds of things we can make with it (and some more developer playthroughs?). I'm a bit more than halfway through a x100 campaign that I just can't bring myself to finish with this right around the corner haha
I've been waiting for this update for so long and I'm glad it's here. First thing I'm going to do is making a twin charged 1000cc I4 for my motorcycle project.
God damn this looks amazing. I've been desperate for the superchargers for a while now. Feedback for another part of the update, but the lamda = 1 title might want to be revisited. Whilst it does describe exactly what is happening, it doesn't seem the easiest to understand. Had I not watched the videos I'd likely be more than a little confused, and that's likely to be true of friends using the game to learn engines as a whole. The improvements to the calculations also seem great additions. I assume diesels and/or 2 strokes are a long way off if they are ever coming? Part of me hopes once the current calculations are really hammered down it would make it relatively simple to get the diesels at least in order, but I also know it's not as simple as just throwing numbers into the same equation and calling it good. Or is it more likely to be a game of 4-stroke gasoline engines with no foreseeable (the important word) intention to expand the scope beyond that?
Oj! Haven't seen you in the comments for a while! Lots to play around with indeed. Setting up a nice supercharger tune is and feels quite different to doing that for a turbo. Compound will keep you busy too... Yeah, the lambda = 1 title is for the emissions optimization slider that previously basically had no indication as to what it is. I couldn't figure out a better description for it and hope the cryptic title (to 99.9% of people) will make then click the description to have a read - or look at the fuel map to see its effects. The tricky bit is that we do have different fuel types that have AFRs that are wildly different and so far I've not come up with a better title! Maybe someone figures out something more appropriate during open beta. ':) Yeah, the FAQ is still accurate on those (link in description). Diesels are viable but lots of work and not planned to be in Automation 1.0, but may come as a DLC after that. The calculations for Diesels would have to be quite a bit different due to how they rely on self-ignition and that point varies depending on the combustion chamber environment. We joke that we could add Diesel on 1. April as the RON 25 fuel type it is and say we've implemented Diesels... just for people to blow up their engines with knock. :P Most people think that's how easy it is to be implemented. The much slower flame front speed is somewhat easy to implement with a fudged fall-off in combustion efficiency towards higher RPM. Still would likely be ~18 months of work all up, with a whole new engine designer for Diesels. So not something we'd want to do just yet! Cheers!
I was wondering how in depth this would be and how overboard we would be allowed to go, this is going to be REALLY fun to mess with. I've had many different pipe dreams about various compound setups that no smart person would try in the real world, and this is definitely going to let me try most of those out even if it is in a game. I hope I can make a completely unusable triple compound turbo twin charged setup xD
32:15: "Roots is the way to go then, just a blower. Centrifugal would be... Damn stupid, because you already have a turbo." Thank you for giving me inspiration on what to do when Al Rima finally comes out! I love to be damn stupid!
I know one thing I'd like to see for the turbos would be the ability to tune the Trim and A/R ratio, as well as the Inducer and Exducer sizes separately for both the Turbine and Compressor. I've tried making IRL turbos in this game, and I can get close with the current options that are available, but not exact. Maybe have it like an advanced mode toggle for more experienced people.
In the parameterization those are not individually broken up, so that is not possible. It is all a big fudge for their effects, because otherwise you'd need a full simulation of the airflow through it, which a) I'm not capable of making and b) wouldn't benefit the average player at all. :) Cheers!
Thanks! In real life I am in the process of supercharging an engine that has 0 off the shelf parts support. (Toyota 5MGE). I've been playing Automation for years. Creating this supercharged monstrosity at least virtually would be so cool!
In the previous dev update Killrob mentioned a change to the strength of the bottom end (to cope with the larger displacements, especially in the early game), so how is that going? Are we going to hear about it in the next dev update? Because early game internals really need a buff, especially for large engines.
So excited for this! Couple of questions: 1) Will we be able to compound more than 2 turbos together? I want to live my dream of having an engine bay that is 50% turbo and 50% engine, I might need a 4 turbo compound system for this. 2) Could you run twincharged as a compound setup? You mention disabling the supercharger after we hit some pressure limit, but couldn't we do the same thing as we do with the compound turbo and just continue to compress air that has already been compressed?
Neither will be possible, no. We had to draw the line somewhere for complexity's sake and that line is two stages - they can either both be turbochargers, or a supercharger and a turbocharger!
I really love this updates and the way you are making the game as realistic as possibile. Are you planning to improve the sounds of the engines (new variables, new parts) like Titanium exhaust or adding compressor surge with the beautiful "stutututu" sound?
Our hands are tied with regard to our engine sound system for the foreseeable future, unfortunately. Exhaust materials have very little to do with the sound, despite what many people say, and you really, really do not want compressor surge in your turbocharger. ;)
is it possible to build a 0.75L V8 Quad-Nitro Super Turbo, Twin Electric Multiaxial Flow, Twin Direct Injection w/ a secondary backup Quadrojet Blow-thru CV
@AutomationGame um... What exactly you mean by single first turbo engine? you know! For me I first introduced to this ideas by watching a video from driving for answers channel(the channel engineering explained does have video's on this too). After that I got fascinated by the idea of being able to increase the performance of the engine by just injecting water in it! if you place the injector in the airway after the air filter you can cool the incoming air by vaporizing the water and that cooler air is more dense ceasing less likely hood of knock happening in the combustion chamber Wich means tighter ignition timing and slightly higher boost pressures! So yeah I really like the idea of this. you can even increase the power output of NA engines too ( if your knock limited somehow ) and because you're cooling the incoming air you can increase the AFR ratios without being worried about knock so you get better gas mileage too.
The Oldsmobile Jetfire in 60s had that... which was a very bad idea xD "It used a special tank filled with ‘rocket fluid’, a mix of methyl alcohol and water. The system needed to spray it into the intake air stream to cool it and keep combustion temperatures lower."
I know it would be a lot of work and probably not something for this update, but adding different ignition type would be cool. I.e. magnato, points, hei, waste spark, and coil on pug.
Extremely interesting video and the update is looking great! I never realised the intercooler could be disabled either - is this a sensible option at all when using turbos?
you guys should also add a way to decide where the intake and exhaust manifolds are setup somehow! such as a hot v8 setup or maybe with something like a datsun a10 engine from the cherry where it has the exhaust and intake on the same side of the motor. can not wait for the new update though.
It might not look like it from the outside, but the intake/exhaust/piping system is by far the most complicated art in all of Automation; there's just no way to open that up to players sadly.
@AutomationGame well. My goal wouldn't be to open it up for players to do whatever they want. Im talking like. You guys could impliment some sort of set in stone system for the stuff. So you can have like 2 port intake manifolds with 2 port exhaust manifolds that are on the same side of the motor like the old ford motors and stuff like that. Idk. It was a idea i had cause i always try to make real engines in the game and some things arent all the way perfectly up to par like that yet. Either way thank you for considering my idea even reading my comment.
4:05 so judging from the model, we are talking about the "modern" implementation of the roots? the old style is much bigger yes? or do i imagine thing? 30:15 for inline 4, i would like to try my best to build a twincharge with one centrifugal and one turbo 32:22 aww, killrob called my idea damn stupid XD
Centrifugal or screw will just not be available on twincharging :) don't want to lead people down the wrong track that just doesn't work (and means lots of extra work on our side) :D
@AutomationGame My mechanic has a twin supercharged (roots blower feeding into another with methanol injection) 454 Chev Holden HQ one tonner burnout car
Hol' up. A 75.7L V16? Is this the start of Automation: The Ship Company Tycoon Game? Can't wait to get my hands on that beauty and create some monumentally stupid things. *evil laughter*
Apologies if it's answered... but Do we have a date when we might be able to try it?.. even if in Beta? (Also AI-generation doesn't pre-select engine parts, still have to go through and select them all then go back through again to select the *actual* part's I'll use which is slow).
As stated at the start of the video: end of the year! Not sure what you mean with the AI not selecting engine parts? It does generate full engines and cars with engines. Are you running into some kind of bug there? Works for me.
@@AutomationGame Awesome. And I mean Main menu> Engine designer> new engine family..... Would love it to just (by default) have the top option in every category pre-selected.
will this update be a sort of 'final' version of most of the engine calculations? not that i mind, but i've made the same engines for some of my cars multiple times as the engine designer has progressed over the years. i've always wondered when the deepest internal calculations will finally reach a 'good enough' state.
We are getting very close to feature-complete for the Car and Engine Designers. Following the Terso Update - the one following the Al-Rilma Update - we will reach that milestone!
I wouldn't call what we have a driving simulation, but keep an eye out for the coming LDUs as there will be some info in there as to how that side of the game is going to be developed going forward.
A bit off topic for this video, but will I be able to make cammed up v8s in the future? would love to make some old muscle cars sounds good with heavy cam lope.
Big cam V8s are in the game already, but I think you mean their sound :) that is not something we'll be able to make happen with how the sound system works at the moment!
If Diesels ever make it in, I think the engine designer might finally be complete. I have a feeling that would be very hard and lengthy to implement because gas/petrol and diesel engines are very different.
You would be correct in that assumption, yes. If we were to drop literally everything we are working on right now and devote our efforts solely to diesel engines, it would take 18-24 months before we had something to show for our efforts.
automation you have a great futur. but can you fix the carburettor meating the intake manifold it float , and somme new type like quadrajet, termoquad ect... is it possible ?
We've fixed countless graphical glitches in the art for the upcoming release! As for different carb visual models, we are in the process of differentiating the various carb visual models as it is, but once we get to the point where each option has its own visuals, that's where we're going to stop. Making all the variations of carburetor would be a very time-consuming process, with very little bang for the time our artists would spend on it!
@@AutomationGame but i know, it just for (old people) love muscle car alot en i am with them. anyways i am really hype for suprcharger turbo ect great work !!!!
We finally lived to see the day Automation having superchargers. So much has come and gone since then. Crazy dream. *and sequential turbos to please the 2JZ fanboys too. Crazy
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Please note that supercharger sounds are not implemented yet, which is why I am not showing off the dyno in this LDU. I'll do that in a later LDU! Enjoy, cheers!
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Can the comunity contribute to the forced induction sounds
I personally have contacts with good sound recording equipment and access to forced induction cars such as porche caymans amg c63s supercharged hondas ect
Feedback for roots superchargers. A lot of ford engines especially mustangs put the intercooler in the valley of the V8 under the supercharger and feeds the air to the heads.
I thought sequential turbo's like on a porsche GT2 are not suquentially gated but rather sized and trimmed to have one turbo spool up earlier in the power band, however exhaust gasses pass through both turbo's all the time regulated by the external wastegate.
i cant wait to twincharge my 12 litre v16
You are not alone 😊
Chunky boi!
The pistons are not gonna like that lmao
POWWEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
you mean 22 liter?
"I heard you like turbos, so I put turbos on your turbos"
Pretty much! :D
"So you can boost while you boost"
Yo dawg
Damnit you beat me to it.
i cant wait to put another couple hundred hours into learning superchargers
Yeah, superchargers alone aren't the nasty bit, they are somewhat simple. The sequential / compound turbo is where the magic lies and dies. :D
@@AutomationGame So can we expect a series on your own channel KillRob?
@@AutomationGame dies 💀
I'm glad that a game this good has such transparency between developers and the community
I'm glad the community around the game is larger and finer than ever 12.5 years after its first version coming out :)
Sequential turbochargers on inline fives AT LAST, FUCK YES
THANK YOU KILROB!
That is indeed a thing with Al Rilma!
I seriously cannot believe what this game was.. has become.. and what it has in its future.. to everyone on the Automation team: You guys are awesome.. thank you for bringing a game like this to the masses!
And thank you for being a fan!
When will this game be available on GeForce it's been down for months @automationgame
@@AutomationGamewhen will this game be available on GeForce again it's been down for months
We are on GeForce Now again, it is working :)
that 73 liter v16 engine is literally my wet dream
I upbored it to 75.7L though :P very usable and certainly fits every single engine bay in the game.
@@AutomationGame oh my god, im gonna explode
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Oh dear lord, the kei engine teaser is one hell of a throwback to old times
It has been a while! xD
What a playthrough it was, though!
I'm excited to finally recreate the finest engine ever conceived: The 1989 Nissan March Super Turbo.
Unleash the honk!
Honk!!!
Yes, that will now be possible!
Hey chat! Glad we're getting so close to the update!
It is getting close, yes! Especially compared to 12 years ago xD
@@AutomationGame lol
You spoil us Killrob, I can't take this many LDUs! I'm still recovering from the last one
And still so much more to go :) Cheers!
Man I started playing the free trial back in 2012, finally bought the “Supercharged Edition” (I think it was my second pay check from my first job) almost 10 years ago today 25/11/2014 only to find out there was no superchargers in the game 😂😂, I remember chatting with one of the devs (Maybe Daffy?) on the website’s live chat and being told superchargers might get added soon but likely way down the line, 10 years, here we are. Love your work, I love seeing how far along you guys have come.
Lots has happened since then for sure! Inline 4 engines only, no car designer... it was a barebones start :)
Probably was Daffy back then, yeah!
AMAZING UPDATE! Can't wait for this! You will not believe how much this game has helped me build my real life race car!
Awesome! Automation has helped lots of people get a better understanding for cars holistically :) I just hope you don't rely on numbers being perfectly accurate xD Cheers
Finally, soon I can make true american car with 8l. V8 with Supercharger, outputting 170HP 🦅🦅🦅
Buuuut.. muh TORQUE! :D
lol
"Tank" you very much for the ending. ;)
Haha xD pretty accurate... or no, no tank had an engine that large!?
@@AutomationGame If it's not a tank, it's either a boat or a haul truck
So theoretically you can build electric turbos when centrifugal supercharger driven by electric motor instead of belt driven.
It's really nice to see those dev updates and see the development of this nice game.
Well yes, but superchargers in Automation are belt driven only.
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@AutomationGame please make the electric one,
How about... no?
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As a long time Automation fan (coming from about the 2011-2012 era, Finally seeing Superchargers after 12 years of waiting will be like Christmas morning. Great work to the Automation development team. Here's hoping we can spool them up and hear that beautiful whine soon.
Cheers for that! Took a while xD
Looking forward to this update. Thank you for the Dev Update. Get's me excited for it.
Will be a lot of fun! :) Cheers
5:39 - I prepared two Zetec Rocam 1 litre engines with the tiny Eaton M24 blowers. I operated those at 18000-19000 RPM to stay within the Eaton specs for street use and occasional track days, although some folks used to push it at 22000 RPM, which seriously pushed them towards the limits of the bearings, but for racing use it is ok. The Eaton TVS R410 (similar size to the M24) can go all the way up to 24000 RPM on the Eaton datasheet.
Yeah, I modeled everything off the Eaton superchargers and used their maps to aid figuring out how to generate ours :) you sure can push them higher than Eaton says you should, not great for the warranty, but hey, more performance!
Aluminum silicone heavy block can add 4 mm to the bore opposed to aluminum heavy who can add 3 mm instead. So the biggest engine possible would be 76.5L 😰
Right! 1mm = 1 Liter extra haha
Glad to see it’s coming soon, been waiting quite a while since I beat the campaign and have made at least 100 different engines and cars and ran out of things to do. Very excited
Lots of new things to learn when this comes out :)
Time to make more racecar engines 😂
All compound! :D
I didn't expect to get a college lecture on how superchargers work and how to tune them. This is so much more helpful than just an Automation preview.
Come for the game news, stay for the engineering content!
I've had this game since 2016 and I have never once played campaign, I sit and make engines, slap it in a generic chasis and then go drag race it in BeamNG, such an amazing game!
Plenty of fun to be had with just that :) you do you!
@@AutomationGame Amazing game you've created over there, the full release is going to mind blowing
This is literally me ahahaha
Seeing what looks to be an M90 makes me very very happy as a big 3800 guy lol. It's been a dream to recreate the L67 in this game.
Well, that's what we literally bought at a junkyard, cleaned up and photogrammetrically scanned to make the model!
@AutomationGame Awesome! I knew it looked familiar from the first preview shots 😁
Can't wait for the update
Very excited for the new update! Glad that there's still some few early access games that keep getting steady updates while also being interesting to play in the meantime.
I know this has nothing to do with this video, and that it's a very niche thing to implement in the near future (I suppose), but I saw the news that they're making new units of the Bentley Speed Six, and I was wondering (and looking at Morgan models, too), if there could be some sort of retro-prestige demographic, for extra exclusive cars like these special editions that use older bodies, and there's no penalty for using a 1955 body in 2000, for example.
We discussed that internally a few years back and something like this could potentially be done in a grand campaign setting where you designate the original model to have a successor, and depending on that one's sales / quality you'd get a boost to desirability for the new one. However, the retro modern stuff doesn't work like that due to safety regulations. You can't take the old body and build another one of those :) usually they have to be beefed up significantly to pass modern standards.
I cant wait to make a 70L V16 that drives 5 meters/L that makes 400 hp and 80,000 nm. Neat
Just put a seat on top of the engine and stick wheels on it, weighs as much as a normal car but is just an engine on wheels :D
I remember the teaser from 2012 and me thinking: Oh boy, can't wait to get my hands on superchargers soon. This soon now almost is here I assume. Still hyped after a dozen years :D
Thanks for sticking with us for all this time!
This is a really niche game, something that will never appeal to the vast majority of people (who either aren't interested in cars, or don't want to put in this much time to learn everything). So I just want to say, I really appreciate you sticking with it for as long as you have. The result so far is very cool, and it's one of those games I'm always excited to see more out of!
You might be surprised at how many people it DOES appeal to!
@@AutomationGame Oh definitely! And I hope my comment didn't come across as rude. This game has taught me a lot, and I've found some really fun people on TH-cam doing series on it :)
Its great to see the development of Automation and the team's ambitions for the future! I wish you guys the best of luck! This game is amazing, for everyone who loves cars, engineering, management and learning! Thanks for the great work guys!
Thanks for the kind words!
I would love diesels. Compound turbo diesel engine would be so cool!
I just have to say, I adore this beautiful new engine artwork. I find myself just admiring the engines I design every now and again, and I suspect I will be doing that a whole lot more in the new update. Not sure why, but I think a centrifugal on an inline will look pretty cool... And don't even get me started on how stupid I'm going to be with supercharged boxers! I might just have to put aside my beloved carb ohv v8s for a while as I give superchargers a fun shake down. Really curious how the hell I'm going to use them on economy daily drivers. Just imagine how good a boxer 4 will sound with a supercharger whine. Hope they aren't too much more expensive than just whacking on a turbo.
Thank you for doing all this work, figuring out the complex calculations to make this stuff work! I suspect this is going to be a lot of fun.
It also just occured to me that were going to be able to build blown nitro motors... 500cc rocketship kei cars ftw!
Ohh yes, the new engine art is so much improved :) something I have not really mentioned at all. Basically a full year of one artist's work has gone into that.
The superchargers are a lot of fun to use! Cheers
I'm glad that we got twin charging as well
It is a challenging system, but pretty potent is set up correctly :)
Oh my goodness!! cant wait to my engines go Vroom vroom and sound like i have in mind like certain real life counterparts. Thanks a lot for your valuable efforts on this one and the rest of the team of Automation killrob! :D
Cheers for that! :D
This will be the greatest automation update ever I can tell already!!!
It certainly is the biggest in terms of effort from our side :)
Automation dev be cooking with this one. Can't wait to experiment with this and I already have a few engines in mind that will use it this(a v12 that has some lag issues and tries to commit the die to achieve 3.6k horsepower, hopefully I can fix this. I'll be happy because reliability). Good job Mr automation.
Well, there's an eleven person team behind the scenes making Automation happen, but thank you all the same!
@AutomationGame tell them that they are doing a good job as well. Love this game
Looks like Diesel DLC is just a bit more viable now that Compound Turbos are here, they're the only type of car ICE I've seen that uses them.
From factory, absolutely! :)
@@AutomationGame Of course, you play as "from factory" in Automation, not as "from an aftermarket kit producer"
Looks good! I can't wait to make supercharged muscle cars, or a twin-charged Group B car!
Go for it!
Lancia Delta S4 reference. Noice
twincharge turbo/centrifugal works if you use the centrifugal supercharger as the large compressor in a compound setup,
use a very small turbo for quick spool degisned to run out of compressor flow, and use the higher flow of the centrifugal to help the small turbo keep up by operating at lower pressure ratios.
still has lag but better than a bigger single turbo.
Yes, that would work switching roles :) although not quite as well as with a blower in the intended role.
@@AutomationGame It's probably not the best way to do it, but it might be more compact/better packaging, likely cheaper to manufacture, and surely quicker to assemble when compared to compound turbos.
No, if that was the case then manufacturers would have done that, and there has never been a single production engine using that setup you're proposing. Compound turbos are used for Diesel engines, and twincharging has been done both with turbo first and supercharger first for petrol cars. :)
@@AutomationGame I was inspired by a procharger kit for the ecoboost Mustang,
I dont know of any centrifugal supercharged engines at all.
Also, it's a videogame where you can make your fantasy dream cars ;)
It is also a videogame that at some point is supposed to be finished :D and it is based off of IRL tech. Cheers!
Time to see turbos for every cylinder kind of crazy vids
There is no setup where there is a 1:1 ratio though xD
@AutomationGame yet. There is none yet. Will be crazy if such was implemented
Can't wait for 75 liter compound turbo engines. We going to space with this one!
Need a long enough ramp! :D Also, the engine calcs said it weight 1300 kg.
@@AutomationGame Lol. In all seriousness, though, it's awesome what you folks have done here, and I can't wait to see what kinds of things we can make with it (and some more developer playthroughs?).
I'm a bit more than halfway through a x100 campaign that I just can't bring myself to finish with this right around the corner haha
@@AutomationGame heavier than many sports cars and compact cars 😂
I like
i love the sound track.. i hope we get more in the future (:
It is beautiful indeed! :)
Excited for this! Been making a Koenigsegg CC8S replica, so Im glad to know superchargers are coming soon.
I've been waiting for this update for so long and I'm glad it's here. First thing I'm going to do is making a twin charged 1000cc I4 for my motorcycle project.
Sounds like a good starting point :)
17:04 i didn't know metal straws had such great flow.
32:14 Turbocharger plus procharger so you get a very odd ball twin turbo setup.
The moment this update comes out, the "most powerful ..." series HP numbers will skyrocket
That is likely :)
21:00 I would call it sequential turbine, parallel compressor.
The turbines are in parallel too though? They just get fed sequentially.
God damn this looks amazing. I've been desperate for the superchargers for a while now. Feedback for another part of the update, but the lamda = 1 title might want to be revisited. Whilst it does describe exactly what is happening, it doesn't seem the easiest to understand. Had I not watched the videos I'd likely be more than a little confused, and that's likely to be true of friends using the game to learn engines as a whole. The improvements to the calculations also seem great additions.
I assume diesels and/or 2 strokes are a long way off if they are ever coming? Part of me hopes once the current calculations are really hammered down it would make it relatively simple to get the diesels at least in order, but I also know it's not as simple as just throwing numbers into the same equation and calling it good. Or is it more likely to be a game of 4-stroke gasoline engines with no foreseeable (the important word) intention to expand the scope beyond that?
Oj! Haven't seen you in the comments for a while! Lots to play around with indeed. Setting up a nice supercharger tune is and feels quite different to doing that for a turbo. Compound will keep you busy too...
Yeah, the lambda = 1 title is for the emissions optimization slider that previously basically had no indication as to what it is. I couldn't figure out a better description for it and hope the cryptic title (to 99.9% of people) will make then click the description to have a read - or look at the fuel map to see its effects. The tricky bit is that we do have different fuel types that have AFRs that are wildly different and so far I've not come up with a better title! Maybe someone figures out something more appropriate during open beta. ':)
Yeah, the FAQ is still accurate on those (link in description). Diesels are viable but lots of work and not planned to be in Automation 1.0, but may come as a DLC after that.
The calculations for Diesels would have to be quite a bit different due to how they rely on self-ignition and that point varies depending on the combustion chamber environment. We joke that we could add Diesel on 1. April as the RON 25 fuel type it is and say we've implemented Diesels... just for people to blow up their engines with knock. :P Most people think that's how easy it is to be implemented. The much slower flame front speed is somewhat easy to implement with a fudged fall-off in combustion efficiency towards higher RPM. Still would likely be ~18 months of work all up, with a whole new engine designer for Diesels. So not something we'd want to do just yet!
Cheers!
Love it! Cant wait for the positive displacement superchargers.
They are fun to play with! Very different to set up compared to a turbo. :)
GrogTv is gonna go wild with this one
saying that as if he doesn't already go wild :P
I was wondering how in depth this would be and how overboard we would be allowed to go, this is going to be REALLY fun to mess with. I've had many different pipe dreams about various compound setups that no smart person would try in the real world, and this is definitely going to let me try most of those out even if it is in a game.
I hope I can make a completely unusable triple compound turbo twin charged setup xD
There definitely is room for experimentation! :P
32:15: "Roots is the way to go then, just a blower. Centrifugal would be... Damn stupid, because you already have a turbo."
Thank you for giving me inspiration on what to do when Al Rima finally comes out! I love to be damn stupid!
We won't give you that option though because it is tons of extra work for stupid :P not a good thing for us.
Cant wait for superchargers and twinchargers 🔥🔥 keep it up
Cheers for that! :)
I know one thing I'd like to see for the turbos would be the ability to tune the Trim and A/R ratio, as well as the Inducer and Exducer sizes separately for both the Turbine and Compressor. I've tried making IRL turbos in this game, and I can get close with the current options that are available, but not exact. Maybe have it like an advanced mode toggle for more experienced people.
In the parameterization those are not individually broken up, so that is not possible. It is all a big fudge for their effects, because otherwise you'd need a full simulation of the airflow through it, which a) I'm not capable of making and b) wouldn't benefit the average player at all. :) Cheers!
Looks fun and exciting! Thanks for sharing this update! 🙂👍
Glad you enjoyed it! Lots of new tech to explore in this update once it is out :)
Cant wait for the supercharger update.
Not that much longer, compared to the 12 years prior xD
Thanks! In real life I am in the process of supercharging an engine that has 0 off the shelf parts support. (Toyota 5MGE). I've been playing Automation for years. Creating this supercharged monstrosity at least virtually would be so cool!
Neat!
You're right, it was confusing.....yet somehow I got it!
Everything is switched somehow xD
In the previous dev update Killrob mentioned a change to the strength of the bottom end (to cope with the larger displacements, especially in the early game), so how is that going? Are we going to hear about it in the next dev update? Because early game internals really need a buff, especially for large engines.
Yeah, I'll talk about that in one of the next updates as I've now finished those calculations and they are ready to be implemented :)
So excited for this! Couple of questions:
1) Will we be able to compound more than 2 turbos together? I want to live my dream of having an engine bay that is 50% turbo and 50% engine, I might need a 4 turbo compound system for this.
2) Could you run twincharged as a compound setup? You mention disabling the supercharger after we hit some pressure limit, but couldn't we do the same thing as we do with the compound turbo and just continue to compress air that has already been compressed?
Neither will be possible, no. We had to draw the line somewhere for complexity's sake and that line is two stages - they can either both be turbochargers, or a supercharger and a turbocharger!
I really love this updates and the way you are making the game as realistic as possibile.
Are you planning to improve the sounds of the engines (new variables, new parts) like Titanium exhaust or adding compressor surge with the beautiful "stutututu" sound?
Our hands are tied with regard to our engine sound system for the foreseeable future, unfortunately. Exhaust materials have very little to do with the sound, despite what many people say, and you really, really do not want compressor surge in your turbocharger. ;)
@AutomationGame yeah you are right...
With all this new stuff i will finally be able to build a twincharged v12💀💀💀
I have been looking forward to making small displacement twin charge engines or just supercharged engines for a while
I can't wait to use that centrifugal charger!
They are a bit weird to use :) but yeah, only way to get big boost with a supercharger.
is it possible to build a 0.75L V8 Quad-Nitro Super Turbo, Twin Electric Multiaxial Flow, Twin Direct Injection w/ a secondary backup Quadrojet Blow-thru CV
Of course! Just need a little imagination :P
Purely an art department kind of question but will roots supercharger with carbs have that ridiculous intake with flaps as an available option?
The performance intake version of them might, I have not seen those myself yet :)
Thanks for the update👍🏻
can you guys work on the water injection next!
I love to see it in Automation!
Nah, that is not on the list of things :) was it used by more than that single first turbo engine?
@AutomationGame um... What exactly you mean by single first turbo engine?
you know! For me I first introduced to this ideas by watching a video from driving for answers channel(the channel engineering explained does have video's on this too). After that I got fascinated by the idea of being able to increase the performance of the engine by just injecting water in it! if you place the injector in the airway after the air filter you can cool the incoming air by vaporizing the water and that cooler air is more dense ceasing less likely hood of knock happening in the combustion chamber Wich means tighter ignition timing and slightly higher boost pressures!
So yeah I really like the idea of this. you can even increase the power output of NA engines too ( if your knock limited somehow ) and because you're cooling the incoming air you can increase the AFR ratios without being worried about knock so you get better gas mileage too.
The Oldsmobile Jetfire in 60s had that... which was a very bad idea xD "It used a special tank filled with ‘rocket fluid’, a mix of methyl alcohol and water. The system needed to spray it into the intake air stream to cool it and keep combustion temperatures lower."
I’ve been waiting for this for years finally please… ”a little bit”😂
It'll come when it's ready! :D
Finally, my mediocre pickup truck will have a bad supercharger logo and 20 more horsepower.
Haha, sounds about right :D without intercooler
So excited for this. Twin Charge all the things!!!
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Just MGUH left and this game will be a temple of turbocharging :)
You know twin charging could work Just like a mechanical MGU-H right?
Public beta when? 👉🏻👈🏻🥺
Probably at the end of this year.
Just as stated at the start of the video.
Can't wait to recreate Lancia Delta's S4 Group B engine
recreate all the fun cars!
I know it would be a lot of work and probably not something for this update, but adding different ignition type would be cool. I.e. magnato, points, hei, waste spark, and coil on pug.
That seems like something you'd simulate by using the quality slider and imagining changing the ignition type :D
180 stroke and bore.. Oh my...
Chunky!
@@AutomationGameBiggest Chungus
Can't wait to make a $100k racing oriented 3bar compound turbo'd 1L I3.
More forced induction than engine? Sounds about right!
Damn i really wanted to get upto 12/71 roots style superchargers for some pushrod big block shenanigans.
The maximum size is still up for discussion :) it should all scale pretty well. What size is that in cc?
@AutomationGame it's a 8521cc blower style supercharger
@@AutomationGame also is their a possibility to get the old school style blower hats. It's old school hot rod time
Extremely interesting video and the update is looking great! I never realised the intercooler could be disabled either - is this a sensible option at all when using turbos?
If you have a tiny engine bay and you only want to run low boost, then it is a valid choice, yes!
Or if you're going for realism with early early turbo builds such as the 1962 I think oldsmobile jetfire or the chevy corvair
you guys should also add a way to decide where the intake and exhaust manifolds are setup somehow!
such as a hot v8 setup or maybe with something like a datsun a10 engine from the cherry where it has the exhaust and intake on the same side of the motor. can not wait for the new update though.
It might not look like it from the outside, but the intake/exhaust/piping system is by far the most complicated art in all of Automation; there's just no way to open that up to players sadly.
@AutomationGame well. My goal wouldn't be to open it up for players to do whatever they want. Im talking like. You guys could impliment some sort of set in stone system for the stuff. So you can have like 2 port intake manifolds with 2 port exhaust manifolds that are on the same side of the motor like the old ford motors and stuff like that. Idk. It was a idea i had cause i always try to make real engines in the game and some things arent all the way perfectly up to par like that yet.
Either way thank you for considering my idea even reading my comment.
4:05 so judging from the model, we are talking about the "modern" implementation of the roots? the old style is much bigger yes? or do i imagine thing?
30:15 for inline 4, i would like to try my best to build a twincharge with one centrifugal and one turbo
32:22 aww, killrob called my idea damn stupid XD
Centrifugal or screw will just not be available on twincharging :) don't want to lead people down the wrong track that just doesn't work (and means lots of extra work on our side) :D
@@AutomationGame well, then that would make sense.
is this Screw+Turbo not available on all engine configuration or did you mean the inline4?
@AutomationGame My mechanic has a twin supercharged (roots blower feeding into another with methanol injection) 454 Chev Holden HQ one tonner burnout car
I look forward to when you get around to adding Anti-Lag devices, I think that will really help my sales in the Gasmean Family Budget Cars market lmao
Haha yeah, it will cater to a very specific subsection of the Family market... the 16-year-old in particular xD
Hol' up. A 75.7L V16? Is this the start of Automation: The Ship Company Tycoon Game?
Can't wait to get my hands on that beauty and create some monumentally stupid things. *evil laughter*
Someone will have to make a boat body mod :P
i can't wait to use this update
thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love Automation
You're welcome!
This is what we want! haha
Apologies if it's answered... but Do we have a date when we might be able to try it?.. even if in Beta?
(Also AI-generation doesn't pre-select engine parts, still have to go through and select them all then go back through again to select the *actual* part's I'll use which is slow).
As stated at the start of the video: end of the year!
Not sure what you mean with the AI not selecting engine parts? It does generate full engines and cars with engines. Are you running into some kind of bug there? Works for me.
@@AutomationGame Awesome.
And I mean Main menu> Engine designer> new engine family.....
Would love it to just (by default) have the top option in every category pre-selected.
will this update be a sort of 'final' version of most of the engine calculations? not that i mind, but i've made the same engines for some of my cars multiple times as the engine designer has progressed over the years. i've always wondered when the deepest internal calculations will finally reach a 'good enough' state.
We are getting very close to feature-complete for the Car and Engine Designers. Following the Terso Update - the one following the Al-Rilma Update - we will reach that milestone!
are you gonna add 2 speed superchargers? like the one on the rolls royce merlin, that would be a cool addition
Haha no, we do not plan to run our car simulation at 20000 feet. That is an aircraft-only feature.
@@AutomationGame lol, worth a shot, well I know what i'm doing when al rilma comes out, copyright neutral hemi
Automation already has car driving simulation built in, any chance we can expect to get like a proper race simulation?
I wouldn't call what we have a driving simulation, but keep an eye out for the coming LDUs as there will be some info in there as to how that side of the game is going to be developed going forward.
A bit off topic for this video, but will I be able to make cammed up v8s in the future? would love to make some old muscle cars sounds good with heavy cam lope.
Big cam V8s are in the game already, but I think you mean their sound :) that is not something we'll be able to make happen with how the sound system works at the moment!
Yessir my 3.6l vs twincharged buggy is coming closer and closer😊😊
If Diesels ever make it in, I think the engine designer might finally be complete. I have a feeling that would be very hard and lengthy to implement because gas/petrol and diesel engines are very different.
You would be correct in that assumption, yes. If we were to drop literally everything we are working on right now and devote our efforts solely to diesel engines, it would take 18-24 months before we had something to show for our efforts.
automation you have a great futur. but can you fix the carburettor meating the intake manifold it float , and somme new type like quadrajet, termoquad ect... is it possible ?
We've fixed countless graphical glitches in the art for the upcoming release! As for different carb visual models, we are in the process of differentiating the various carb visual models as it is, but once we get to the point where each option has its own visuals, that's where we're going to stop. Making all the variations of carburetor would be a very time-consuming process, with very little bang for the time our artists would spend on it!
@@AutomationGame i mean new sound of a quadrajet can be really good ! (New sound in gerenal)
@@AutomationGame but i know, it just for (old people) love muscle car alot en i am with them. anyways i am really hype for suprcharger turbo ect great work !!!!
Yes
I've been looking forward to this update the same way I've been looking forward to the next elder scrolls, gta and stalker
We playing with the big boys now! xD
this is gonna be flipping awesome
It certainly will be! :)
We finally lived to see the day Automation having superchargers. So much has come and gone since then. Crazy dream.
*and sequential turbos to please the 2JZ fanboys too. Crazy
Lots of water has flown down the river since they were announced xD Cheers!
I have a question! WIll you ever implement a y-pipe exhaust system for inline engined cars to make it look like they have "dual" exhaust?
We currently have no plans for that, no.
beautiful game, worth every cent
Thanks for the kind words!
Will we be able to change the switchover RPM for Stage 1 and Stage 2 aspiration? Seems like an important thing to be able to change.
For sequential, yes, you can do that. It is not a thing for the compound setup though, that happens naturally.
What would be the equivalent slider for a tuning company fitting a smaller supercharger pulley?
That is the equivalent of using a larger gearing (pulley) ratio.
@AutomationGame Got it, thanks for the clarification