To add: Another point to bring up about her being a self-love icon is the song Maria. You might just immediately think Maria = I love myself, but actually it's Maria = please love yourself. Maria is a song that actually talked about how Maria hated herself because of how other people treated her. That's why she wrote this song to herself, asking Maria to love herself more because that's what she deserves. I think that's why it became anthemic. She, herself, is also struggling to come to love herself completely. That's why the song became such a hit because it resonated to all the other people who's going through the same thing.
I personally think she got breast implants and can't keep thinking about it after this last comeback. It's just too obvious. I think you can preach body positivity as long as you admit the work you had done. I don't see anything wrong with surgery, but I do think it's bad when celebrities deny it and make everyone believe they look that great naturally.
@@zizzle995 I've been curious about why no one is making a fuss about it. She gets so much hate, but this seems to have gone under the radar. I'm all for doing what makes you feel better and confident. I think with the weight she lost she probably felt insecure about it and decided to get some work done. I just hope she doesn't deny it if someone asks because I hate when celebrities do that. Nothing wrong with admitting it.
@@LinaCT25 if hwasa or mamamoo came back with a maria-level hit then the usual tsunami of haters would've no doubt been on her. by her standards 2022 was a relatively low-profile year. tbh i don't see a predictable opportunity for her to either confirm or deny it (she's not super interactive with fans online and no way some interviewer is gonna come out and ask her that lol) so for the time being ig this is gonna stay on the down-low.
@@LinaCT25 it went under the radar because moomoos don't want to admit that their self love queen would have anything done to herself. That being said, I think she might be right in her self love message because maybe she loves herself now more than before the surgery.
I have friends in LA. Attractive, down-to-earth, grounded friends. They're mortals, not celebrities. They gave in and had some work done, I discovered recently. It's almost impossible to be surrounded by "gorgeous" and not try to be "gorgeous" yourself. I can't even imagine the pressures if that is your career/industry, especially for women and girls.
As a person that has had a nose job, I can tell you that people that go through plastic surgery for esthetic purposes are definitely not at the top of the "love yourself" preach. We do love ourselves, but we changed stuff for a reason and one reason only. Doesn't matter how much they try to convince you they love themselves just they way they are, it is not true. My friends who got something done agreed with me last time we talked. You see, I changed my nose because I hated it, as simple as that. I was bullied as a teenager, received comments that didn't ask for, and was the "ugly" sister to my family. I couldn't even let other people take pictures of me from the side, just believe me it was honestly really ugly. And now that almost a year has passed, I love how it looks, but I still think of other things that I don't necessarily like about myself and what I could do to improve them. Everyone, EVERYONE right after one surgery gets those kind of thoughts, even if we don't get other procedures at the end. I can't say that I don't love myself because of course I feel like I do, but my own values wouldn't let me practice a career where my motto is to "love yourself" while I'm constantly receiving beauty treatments or procedures that change my appearance and I'm not honest about them with the people that support my business. Anyway, plastic surgery saved my self esteem, but nowadays I try not to buy or follow anything from artists that preach to us about self-love while at the surgeon's office (and either hide or straight up deny them).
You worded that very nice. I see that you had plastic surgery yourself also. Self love does not mean you have to be natural. If you are natural and love yourself that’s fine. If you want to get something don’t because you know it’ll make u happier that’s fine too. Glad to hear that you love your nose now. 🤍
hwasa's work is nicely done. at least she didn't do any drastic changes to herself. but the botox is unnecessary rlly bc she rlly doesn't look that old... anyways, i will always find it kind of funny some ppl have dismissed these changes as a result of "growing up"... all these lies abt puberty bringing these changes have truly distorted everybody's views about what actually happens to your facial features when u grow up. this is how we get young ppl expecting puberty to make them as pretty as their idols, only to be disappointed.
One thing that comes to mind regarding your insight was that, especially at the beginning, Hwasa apart from the body shape and facial features issues, a common comment on her was also "she looks like a mother already" or "she looks like she's married already" if you recall. They often played it off as a funny thing during interviews but I think that definitely still affected her down the line on "looking young/er." Not saying that IS the reason, but it is possible that somehow she feels the need to look "younger" because she's always perceived as the older-looking one esp out of Mamamoo.
@@chonasaur kpop is truly ageist. i doubt she would've had a problem being perceived as the older one if looking older wasn't perceived as a bad thing in the first place.
You can increase your cup size after reaching a new metabolism level due to ageing. It can even increase one to three sizes especially when your genetics favor storing fat in those two areas over other areas in the body 😅. Usually when your body has such fat storage favoring, you also have a much higher risk developing breast cancer too😅. Not sure whether that is or isn't the case with her though 🤷🏾♀️
Self love is quite literally what is called. SELF love. I get that some or most people want to know EVERYTHING idols do so they can take inspiration into their own lives, or just feel like they should know it all, but they don’t owe us anything. Self love is up to each individual. We must take care of ourselves and whatever it is that we do, should be done to make us happy and/or for our own mental health. Hwasa has been criticized and bullied for her looks throughout all of her career so no one has the right to tell her what she should and shouldn’t do regarding plastic surgery. It’s her body. Self love does not equal being all natural and having NO plastic surgery. If you compare your body to these idols to make you feel better or worse about yourself, you should be working on your OWN self love. Be kind to yourself and others. 💙💙💙
Saying that you will create a new beauty standard is just the same as trying to get someone to adhere to the old ones. If she was that confident about her appearance, she would not correct anything at all. Kpop profits from looks.
And sadly she was a victim of that too. It is not her or any idol’s fault. It is the fault of people commenting or saying things about them that lead to them getting the procedures done.
@@ChaiMuunThe company had to tell her to do PS to make her debut otherwise she wouldn't be able to make her debut. and of course she wanted that too. looks are very important, especially in this toxic industry, if she had not lost weight or changed things about her appearance, she would never be seen. I'm going to be honest none of her fans would have cared about her. it sounds mean but that's the truth. Even if she has the talent without ps/weight loss she wouldn't be seen. That's with every idol without PS would have never made it in this industry.
I'm not sure why people think that if she claims to be her own standard, that it somehow has to be completely different than any other standard. Her standard of beauty is a personal one. And it's only for her. She doesn't ask others to live to hers, and doesn't want to be held to someone else's. And if standards overlap, so what, it doesn't mean that it isn't legitimate. That somehow they are being disingenuous. I myself had cosmetic dentistry done when I was younger. Not because I was trying to impress anyone else. I had no issues attracting partners. I just didn't like the look of my teeth in the mirror. So I changed that. Doesn't mean I can't love myself. Love my physical appearance just because I had it modified. Ironically, by saying that unless she is unchanged, that she is exactly the way she was made that she can't legitimately claim she loves her body. How nice of you people to set a standard for her to meet in order to gain your approval. Why not just accept the message for what it is, and forget about shooting the messenger.
Wow, this vide was more insightful than I thought it would be. I thought this would be like those other "cosmetic surgery analysis" videos that would basically just say the artist got everything done and you should hate them for it. I appreciate how you worded your sentences in the video in a way that didn't rag on the artist. My thoughts on the topic: - Honestly, the work Hwasa has done to her face isn't really that noticeable until you scrutinize it. I am a Moomoo myself, and I didn't notice 90% of the face things you pointed out, mainly because I think she didn't get them drastically modified, just enough to enhance what she already had. The only one thing I consciously noticed before this video was the chest one. I believe we first saw it during the Somebody! music video with Loco. - I feel like apart from that concert clip where she shared how she got rejected for being chubby, it was really the rest of us who put her in the pedestal of a "self-love icon." Not saying that she isn't, as we have seen how her success became inspiration for all other people who look up to her that has similar complexion, similar face, or just a similar situation where their physique was the reason of rejection and discrimination. Despite everything, I think it's quite noticeable how Hwasa still struggled a lot with the KPOP idols' dieting culture, crash dieting for comebacks that lead them to binge eating. I think having the place of one of the self-love icons in the industry, from what it looks like it might have also burdened her as there were probably times she still didn't love herself, her body, her skin completely. Which I think is natural to go through such ups and downs, especially in her line of work where "body positivity" is celebrated but at the same time you still NEED to be skinny when you appear on TV. You know what I mean? - People who have done cosmetic modifications/enhancements advocating self-love is a *gray area* in my opinion. There are purists/absolutists who believe you wouldn't need to go through such physical changes manually if you truly loved yourself. However, we cannot just dismiss the fact that body dysmorphia is a real thing, whether you have the BDD mental disorder, or just genuinely feel like a part of your body doesn't make you feel 100% you. To me, people who undergo cosmetic surgery TO LOOK like other people (to look more caucasian, American, or even Korean as Asian fishing is also now a thing) those people I would feel weird about calling them advocates of self-love. However for cases like Hwasa, who seems to have done such changes to enhance things they already have, who seems to be just more confident in their own skin now with changes they chose themselves FOR themselves, I think there's no harm in still looking up to her and to them as your models of self-love.
I really appreciate your insight here! You’ve brought up so many interesting points!! I totally agree with your comment about the dangers of placing someone on a pedestal for their body. being known so widely for her body/ figure has undoubtably impacted hwasa’s body- and self-image! Even when praising her, we are still drawing attention to her appearance, and under such scrutiny there is no way she wouldn’t be affected. “”Body positivity" is celebrated but at the same time you still NEED to be skinny when you appear on TV” - this really highlights the industry’s overarching opinion regarding body positivity. There’s still a far way to go until we see k-pop truly embracing different faces and bodies. honestly, I believe hwasa most likely would not have had any cosmetic work if she wasn’t a k-pop star. I also believe that female k-pop artists are always boxed into a certain group, and often have cosmetic surgery to fulfill this prescribed label. In hwasa’s case, being quickly categorized as “sexy” may partially explain some of her surgical choices. Thank you again for your comment! I truly enjoyed reading your thoughts and I hope to hear more of your insight in future videos/posts😊
Thank you for bringing awareness. I think it's dishonest from her to not talk about it and I'm disappointed. I will express what I don't like and why but I won't stop supporting her. Love 💖
Idols/celebs who preach self-love/acceptance while getting work done in the same vein is nothing new tbh. I mean, DUH!! It would actually be more surprising to me if she preached/sung ab that stuff and was really all natural, *especially* in the industry that she’s in. The work is subtle and she still looks recognizable, so kudos to her!
To be human is to have contradictions and hypocrisy. Yes you can still talk about self love while getting cosmetic procedures. Even if you do not follow your own message, you can help someone else who needs to hear those words.
Wonder if you’ll ever do a deep dive on Solar… I do believe the pressure for being the only Mamamoo member fitting the beauty standards was too harsh on her, I remember when she released Honey I didn’t recognize her in most thumbnails :(
Maybe this is a controversial opinion, but I believe if it makes you happy then there's no problem. Of course there's a difference between having plastic surgery due to health issues and purely cosmetic reasons, but I don't think there's any harm in getting plastic surgery if it makes you feel more confident and happy about yourself. Although there should be concern if it gets obsessive or excessive, and impossible beauty standards does have an obvious impact on influential groups like teenagers or in this case kpop idols, is it really that harmful if doing the procedure makes someone happier and more confident in themselves
I think the problem is that what makes people "happy" - especially in the Kpop industry and in Korea in general has a lot to do with how people judge your looks. So it would be more honest/realistic to say "if it makes people around you give you more positive attention then there's no problem"
You are so right. This should not be controversial because this should be common sense. People get work done for themselves and to feel better. Also considering her job being in the public and receiving all kinds of comments about her looks, no one is to say what these celebrities can or can’t do to they OWN bodies.
She keeps doing surgeries almost every year , nose implants breast implants lip fillers cheeks doing eyelids surgeries etc etc so the self love was just an agenda to sell her song to the gp and kpopies
i think it's fairly obvious that she's had recent work done on her chest, perhaps as a result of being hyper-sexualized by the public and wanting to uphold that image. however, i'm not shaming anyone's potential procedures bc i don't believe that little tweaks here and there are truly antithetical to the idea of self-love. i believe everyone has their own individual aesthetic based on their natural features and wanting to "enhance" it is something i can understand. to me, it's the people who clearly want to look like someone they're not that raise concern (often the ones who repeatedly get things done and show perpetual dissatisfaction with themselves). to me, hwasa doesn't fit in this category. other than aging she's had the same face since debut and has always seemed confident with who she is despite the avalanche of criticism. when she wrote maria she became a symbol of loving not just your body but also who you are as a person, going from a B to a D cup doesn't change that lol.
The problem is not the surgeries, the problem is that she sells herself as a "self-confident" woman when she is not, she already had surgery on her face, on her body, it's hypocrisy, but come on, all this shit worked for her to be popular even if she lie to her fans and world.
Body and face are different 😂 and also woman in their mid twenties gain a bit of fat on boobs I was wearing 32B till 23 but from 24 I had to switch to 32C without my weight changing and also during childbirth it increases .
Are you slow? The song is called “I Love My Body,” not “I Love My Natural Body”… Natural or not it is HER body. Y’all need to get a life for real. She loves her body and she’s preaching exactly THAT.
What tf does tht have to do with anything She said what she said. She loves her body natural or not it’s still part of her body. Y’all are so rude for no reason did anyone ask her if she had work done “no” she didn’t admit or deny anything. That means she doesn’t need to explain a damn thing to anyone. You say you like her but tryna say she doesn’t love herself! Thts fcked up fr bro. You don’t “genuinely” like her.
@@shaniyalively1169why do you guys always have excuses for idols? When you spread something important, you have to mean it. If she really loved herself she will not change things about her appearance hwasa became only confident after she has done a lot of surgeries. of course she loves herself. sorry but anyone who is going to do plastic surgery is going to be confident. someone who talks about self love shows his insecurities as his natural self. not after a lot of surgies. hwasa has become really confident after her transformation after her debut (cuz of ps). what I can't stand is that people would criticize celebrities or influencers for talking about self love (even they have done ps) but not on idols. lying about loving yourself while you have had many surgeries is being fake and hypocritical. but yes, for idols you always have excuses. If Hwasa was that confident she would never done ps. But she is not. She just wont to loose her self love queen title.
Self acceptance doesn’t mean no plastic surgery. It’s just means she’s having the looks that she’s comfortable with and not conforming to others’ standard be it achieved naturally or thru plastic surgery.
She went against her own saying "If I can't fit the standard, I will become the standard" and then goes to fit a standard by making her facial features even, by getting the hourglass body shape, by putting on lighter shades of foundation. She ruined herself in my eyes. As harsh as it sounds, I can't look up to her as I used to. We all loved her for being HER but after Maria era she pushed all the years of hard work to stay true to her natural beauty and talent down the drain.
So was she supposed to look how YOU felt she should look? That is not our body, and Hwasa will always be an advocate for us loving ourselves and doing things for our mental happiness. But also guess what, people change over time, we can’t be one same thing forever. I understand how you feel and hey that’s all you. Besides, it’s not like she’s a completely different person, chill.
@@ChaiMuun Not how I felt she should be, it's how she was born to be, she fought hard to be that till finally she gave in the surgeries and weightloss standards.
I don't blame her everyone here even b ,c list celebrities gets work done it's impossible not to unless you are born the beauty standard or have very High confidence on your work . And also i don't she ever said openly don't change your self or this messiah of body positivity , she just explained a part of her past life ...i think the fans were all who put all those narratives .
Why is everyone so pressed about breast implants? PLASTIC SURGERY AND BODY POSITIVITY CAN CO-EXIST. You can love yourself and your own body despite getting some work done. Stop hating on women. She never denied or confirmed anything. GET A LIFE Y'ALL.
On the one hand, yes perhaps it is deceptive as it is not her original face. On the other hand, even with some work done she still doesn’t fit into Korean beauty standards.
Watching this in here "Na" era. She lost SO MUCH weight. She's still gorgeous, but I kind of feel...sad? She was the ONE idol I thought loved her curves.
It's just how people love to blame women who get plastic surgeries than the people who forced them to get it or made them so insecure that they had no other choice. People constantly ridiculed her, made fun of her, didn't respect her for her talent and now she has to become like this to keep building on her career but of course she'll get blamed for this too.Gosh !
Lo que sea que se hizo le quedo precioso y no es exagerado como en otros casos donde idols quedan totalmente irreconocibles. Igual le diría que no se toque más los labios, actualmente hay una moda de agrandarse los labios y quedan enormes y no muy estéticos. Ojalá no se haga nada drástico drástico el futuro y no sienta la presion de la sociedad por cambiar porque ahora mismo está hermosa ♡
Self-love doesn't mean you need to stay or keep your look the way you look. Even the most confident people you think of still undergo their own self-criticism to themseleve whether physical or not. It's not being a hypocrite, it's being human. Why do we change our hairstyles or put on makeup or oyher clothes if we already "love ourselves"? Maybe its because we WANT to do those because it makes us feel better, it makes us feel ourselves. This applies the same to plastic surgery. I think people need to realize that plastic surgery isn't all that bad unless it harms you. Self-love doesn't always have to reflect through physical means.
You can't really compare surgery to makeup or hairstyles though. Plastic surgery is often irreversible and it comes with medical risks such as allergies, post-surgery depression, infection, necrosis, severe pain, severe scarring, unsatisfying results that require follow-up surgeries and in some cases even death (especially BBLs and jaw reconstruction are dangerous).
@@nehalilisays I dont think you understand the point that i was trying to say. I was talking about the choices people make to make them feel better whether surgery or not. I was talking about self love and how people can choose to change a certain way they look because they want to. Almost every kpop idol went through this anyway. I'm also pretty sure they know the risks before getting into something that can make or break your appearance and confidence. Some people don't spontaneously do it anyway. That's far from what I was saying though and I do agree with you.
Yes, Kim Kardashian is a good example for this, she’s probably gotten a rhinoplasty in the past but she still has a bump. People can also develop nose bumps due to surgery. An example of these post op deformities would be Momo from Twice who now has a saddle nose.
@@lea5308 correction: kim hasn't had a hump since the 2000s lmao she retained the hump after the first rhinoplasty (and it was stunning) but after her second one she got rid of it. not it looks like any boring cookie cutter beverly hills nose.
Kpop and other stars do surgery so I don't have to tbh. People should advocate for natural beauty pre op or post op... it doesn't matter. Get surgery if you want b/c some people really don't like the way they look or feel societal pressures. Only way to discover yourself is to "fck around and find out."
Honestly, I think a part of self love is doing whatever the hell you want to your body. So no, it's not a sham, and I think you should stop trying to bait people with titles like these.
humans are filled with contradictions. you can love yourself, or at least try your hardest to, and still be affected by the judgments of ppl all around you. as long as someone isn’t trying to look like someone completely different, i think it’s okay to enhance a feature or two if it would help your self esteem
@@ajhewoewahhhwee5998 yess it does. Bruh how dumb can you be. Pls stfu if you dont have something smart to say. Go educate yourself and go look up the meaning of self love stupid.
she has money, and this not impact my life. so what? 😅 you can see all her music is about her worries and insecurity. Not cause she's a perfect person, like I'm a v is about how media and people portrayed her
don't be dense, they make posts about everybody on their instagram. literally every idol is a ""plastic doll"" maybe don't view PS like that then you won't consider it negatively.
They already did analysis on instagram. None in kpop industry are 100% natural free from plastic surgery. The difference is some might have an invasive and some have a subtle work done.
The only thing that truly bothers me about her look is the lips. Goes overboard with whatever she’s doing with her bottom lip and overlining them in excrement-brown color doesn’t help.
About Hwasa's breasts lately, i think it's just her bra 😂😂 the teaser for "Just Talking to Myself" (th-cam.com/video/F0MlisqUxNE/w-d-xo.html) for her Hwasa Show just released now, and her boobs are not that big compared to her latest promotion appearances and all. IMO, self-love depends on your definition like self-love can also mean making yourself feel beautiful by your own standards, be it be enhancing it or watever, OR, it can also mean just simply being contented with what you have. ✌✌🤷♀
If u have watch some vedios of mamamoo members they are more prettier with out make up thats why i like them no big changes of surgeries in hwasa interview said if he perform he likes to pout her lips and raised his brows 😅 he really looks different with make up vs no make up
So because she had work done she doesn’t love herself and y’all really tryna sit there and convince somebody that they don’t love there self. WOW! Ok say she had work. So what, it’s her body she can do whatever the hell she wants with it. She still Iives up to her own standards. Looking at her nose it didn’t really change much, her lips are still small just a little more plump, her eyes look the same, maybe she had her breast done ole well, why yall looking at her titties anyway, and because she lost some weight it’s a problem that she doesn’t look the same as she did 7 years ago….. yall have gotta stop creating stuff like this to drag ppl down when there at the top.
I do not believe hwasa has gotten plastic surgery, its just some lip fillers. She admitted to have started getting meridian massages on a show. She said the massage was very brutal and hurt alot. After recovering from the massage sessions during her vacations, when she came back to work her makeup artist commented how her face looked smaller compared to before. We as outsiders know nothing unless and until the idols themselves reveal stuff. Its better to stop speculating about others' bodies and creating rumours based on what we see.
Girl is so obvious she done a lot of sugeries. Stop the d riding. And she never going to admit cuz other wise she will loose her self love queen title.
her work is well done. I hope you post more videos despite the backlash from all the inbred 12 year olds that don't know left from right. this is the kind of stuff people need to be in the know about, especially people that refuse to acknowledge the atrocities that occur all the time bc of this industry.
What are you talking about? So should a balding hair stylist still be a hair stylist? Should a TH-cam channel with less than 200 subscribers still be calling themselves a TH-camr? So if she “just” loss the weight, could she still talk about body positivity? Or would you continue to question her? People love Hwasa because she’ll do WHATEVER she wants. And she does it well. For your benefit going forward I suggest using words like “allegedly”
while i agree that the title is unnecessary, and anyone with ps can still preach self-love and/or spread a good message regardless. ps can also be a form of self-love & is usually an individuals choice. on the other hand, it isn't a secret that most idols get comestic surgery & this doesn't leave out hwasa. ofc there is going to be speculation, but it only becomes a bad thing when people start to view plastic surgery as a bad thing. suggesting someone got PS isn't negative, it is merely an observation. i just hate when k-pop fans act like just cus their idols aren't all natural that its the end of the world.
"So should a balding hair stylist still be a hair stylist?" congratulation to miss the point complitly "Should a TH-cam channel with less than 200 subscribers still be calling themselves a TH-camr?" girl... she just started calm down your comment didn't do what you think it would "People love Hwasa because she’ll do WHATEVER she wants" no people love her because her body is trendy now and claim self love and acceptance very popular thing in the love yourself fat acceptance comunity, the lack of critical thinking is incredible, just say u are a simp for her and u would to whatever to protect the image of her YOU have in YOUR HEAD
hi! this video is meant to simply encourage reflection - that’s why i posed an open question. i love hearing other people’s opinions! while i do personally believe that hwasa can still be regarded as an advocate for self-love, I still think it’s interesting to consider how cosmetic surgery does/does not play into discussions surrounding body positivity. my intention is never to offend anyone, and i apologize if this video hurt you in any way. thank you for your comment😊
So where is the line? I got my haircut yesterday, does that mean I don't love my body and can't preach about body positivity? What about make up? Hair extensions or coloring? What if I decided I need to shed a few pounds to fit into my clothes instead of going out and buying bigger ones? Are all the things I listed not permanent so they don't count? Tattooed eyeliner is semi permanent. How about having a wart removed from the middle of your forehead? Maybe it's more about the reasons we make improvements to our appearance. And try as we might I don't think any of the public has a clue why she has made any of the changes. Maybe she has made changes to herself to meet her own standard of beauty 🤔. Ya maybe we are too quick to judge when we don't the slightest fuckin idea what she feels or why she does things she does.
@@skillbopster I'm not sure what's ridiculous about it I asked a question. At what point do changes you make to your body disqualify you from preaching positive self image. I have a relative who reduced from a EE to D because it was hard to find clothes that would fit her properly. Does that mean she can't love her body?
@@Syboutszeni think that example of surgery is related to health and difficulty with daily functions. It's not the same as permanently changing yourself or recognizability or ethnic features for a beauty standard. But to each their own. Her body is her choice
@@moonamigi Nobody wants to answer my question. At what point of self improvement do we invalidate someone's legitimacy to preach body positivity? Almost every individual from the time they are a teenager tries to improve their appearance at some level. No matter that the improvement may have other benefits like health. There is still part of the motivation that is for public acceptance.. So many people want to pass judgement about the messenger instead of applauding the message.
Why does she need to talk about her body her face. This video is disgusting every other idol has plastic surgery from every girl group why is it hwasa responsibility to tell the world her surgeries if she feels comfortable and confident good for her -
@@Slimyladyexactly she is always preaching about bullying and how she stood up and made standards blah blah just to have millions of surgeries done even before debuting with mmm it’s just pure hypocrisy
y'all need to stop denying how ps is very common in kpop and that so many idols have gotten a thing or two tweaked. last time i checked, puberty/growing up didn't give anyone a longer chin, a taller nose bridge, and slimmer nose with flared nostrils. let's not be delusional here.
@@felmargego2534 no one is denying sht, but when it comes to hwasa which is the focus of the video I can say what I please. She looks the same and when she loses weight her face does change simple. Weird how yall scream there's nothing wrong with ps then go to the end of the earth to prove an idol has had surgery when you have no proof and it's no big deal. Not only that pictures get edited all the time. And kpop stans wonder why idols get worse about their looks. Also yes makeup can do wonders
it's so funny to me that your descriptions always say 'stay respectful :)' yet the entire basis of your videos are inherently so so disrespectful to the idols you're talking about.
????? literally no they're not lmfao you dunces that lack the ability to understand nuance immediately think that pointing something out in a way that isn't overtly positive automatically equals hatred or disrespect. hwasa got work done. all your favs have. stop trying to act like pointing it out is some sort of crime. she even complimented the quality of hwasa's work. get your head out of your ass. lol
@@vivilvrhwasa is a celebrity, who offere her ART to the public. And celebrities wiuld always be associated to their arts. In this case what hwasa is selling is “self-love no matter what” and “not fitting to the standard so you should make ur own standard” when she is doing the complete opposite of that irl. She’s clearly trying to fit to the standard she’s bitching about by altering how she looks. If she really dont care abt the standard then she’ll be focusing solely on her music and producing DESPITE HOW MANY TIMES she gets recommended to alter things about her appearance because looks would NOT be the point of her music. But is it? Clearly no. So it’s ok for people to analyze and be aware that at the end of the day celebs care more about the money they make and less about empowering people, so people shouldnt follow the logic of “altering the way they look” to make themselves happy because clarly the one selling it is also hypocritical.
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To add: Another point to bring up about her being a self-love icon is the song Maria. You might just immediately think Maria = I love myself, but actually it's Maria = please love yourself. Maria is a song that actually talked about how Maria hated herself because of how other people treated her. That's why she wrote this song to herself, asking Maria to love herself more because that's what she deserves. I think that's why it became anthemic. She, herself, is also struggling to come to love herself completely. That's why the song became such a hit because it resonated to all the other people who's going through the same thing.
I personally think she got breast implants and can't keep thinking about it after this last comeback. It's just too obvious.
I think you can preach body positivity as long as you admit the work you had done. I don't see anything wrong with surgery, but I do think it's bad when celebrities deny it and make everyone believe they look that great naturally.
Yeah she def got breast implants & I’m sure you’re not the only one who has noticed
@@zizzle995 I've been curious about why no one is making a fuss about it. She gets so much hate, but this seems to have gone under the radar.
I'm all for doing what makes you feel better and confident. I think with the weight she lost she probably felt insecure about it and decided to get some work done.
I just hope she doesn't deny it if someone asks because I hate when celebrities do that. Nothing wrong with admitting it.
@@LinaCT25 if hwasa or mamamoo came back with a maria-level hit then the usual tsunami of haters would've no doubt been on her. by her standards 2022 was a relatively low-profile year. tbh i don't see a predictable opportunity for her to either confirm or deny it (she's not super interactive with fans online and no way some interviewer is gonna come out and ask her that lol) so for the time being ig this is gonna stay on the down-low.
True. Her and other members of mamamoo always joke about not having breasts and suddenly i notice during their recent comeback the changes in hers
@@LinaCT25 it went under the radar because moomoos don't want to admit that their self love queen would have anything done to herself.
That being said, I think she might be right in her self love message because maybe she loves herself now more than before the surgery.
I have friends in LA. Attractive, down-to-earth, grounded friends. They're mortals, not celebrities. They gave in and had some work done, I discovered recently. It's almost impossible to be surrounded by "gorgeous" and not try to be "gorgeous" yourself. I can't even imagine the pressures if that is your career/industry, especially for women and girls.
As a person that has had a nose job, I can tell you that people that go through plastic surgery for esthetic purposes are definitely not at the top of the "love yourself" preach.
We do love ourselves, but we changed stuff for a reason and one reason only.
Doesn't matter how much they try to convince you they love themselves just they way they are, it is not true. My friends who got something done agreed with me last time we talked.
You see, I changed my nose because I hated it, as simple as that. I was bullied as a teenager, received comments that didn't ask for, and was the "ugly" sister to my family. I couldn't even let other people take pictures of me from the side, just believe me it was honestly really ugly.
And now that almost a year has passed, I love how it looks, but I still think of other things that I don't necessarily like about myself and what I could do to improve them. Everyone, EVERYONE right after one surgery gets those kind of thoughts, even if we don't get other procedures at the end.
I can't say that I don't love myself because of course I feel like I do, but my own values wouldn't let me practice a career where my motto is to "love yourself" while I'm constantly receiving beauty treatments or procedures that change my appearance and I'm not honest about them with the people that support my business.
Anyway, plastic surgery saved my self esteem, but nowadays I try not to buy or follow anything from artists that preach to us about self-love while at the surgeon's office (and either hide or straight up deny them).
You worded that very nice. I see that you had plastic surgery yourself also. Self love does not mean you have to be natural. If you are natural and love yourself that’s fine. If you want to get something don’t because you know it’ll make u happier that’s fine too. Glad to hear that you love your nose now. 🤍
hwasa's work is nicely done. at least she didn't do any drastic changes to herself. but the botox is unnecessary rlly bc she rlly doesn't look that old...
anyways, i will always find it kind of funny some ppl have dismissed these changes as a result of "growing up"... all these lies abt puberty bringing these changes have truly distorted everybody's views about what actually happens to your facial features when u grow up.
this is how we get young ppl expecting puberty to make them as pretty as their idols, only to be disappointed.
One thing that comes to mind regarding your insight was that, especially at the beginning, Hwasa apart from the body shape and facial features issues, a common comment on her was also "she looks like a mother already" or "she looks like she's married already" if you recall. They often played it off as a funny thing during interviews but I think that definitely still affected her down the line on "looking young/er." Not saying that IS the reason, but it is possible that somehow she feels the need to look "younger" because she's always perceived as the older-looking one esp out of Mamamoo.
@@chonasaur kpop is truly ageist. i doubt she would've had a problem being perceived as the older one if looking older wasn't perceived as a bad thing in the first place.
She's probably using botox to stay youthful looking as she grows older.
That true i believe that no surgercy
You can increase your cup size after reaching a new metabolism level due to ageing. It can even increase one to three sizes especially when your genetics favor storing fat in those two areas over other areas in the body 😅. Usually when your body has such fat storage favoring, you also have a much higher risk developing breast cancer too😅. Not sure whether that is or isn't the case with her though 🤷🏾♀️
Self love is quite literally what is called. SELF love. I get that some or most people want to know EVERYTHING idols do so they can take inspiration into their own lives, or just feel like they should know it all, but they don’t owe us anything. Self love is up to each individual. We must take care of ourselves and whatever it is that we do, should be done to make us happy and/or for our own mental health. Hwasa has been criticized and bullied for her looks throughout all of her career so no one has the right to tell her what she should and shouldn’t do regarding plastic surgery. It’s her body. Self love does not equal being all natural and having NO plastic surgery. If you compare your body to these idols to make you feel better or worse about yourself, you should be working on your OWN self love. Be kind to yourself and others. 💙💙💙
I respect this comment ❤️🔥🪭🫰🏽💯
Saying that you will create a new beauty standard is just the same as trying to get someone to adhere to the old ones. If she was that confident about her appearance, she would not correct anything at all. Kpop profits from looks.
And sadly she was a victim of that too. It is not her or any idol’s fault. It is the fault of people commenting or saying things about them that lead to them getting the procedures done.
@@ChaiMuunThe company had to tell her to do PS to make her debut otherwise she wouldn't be able to make her debut. and of course she wanted that too. looks are very important, especially in this toxic industry, if she had not lost weight or changed things about her appearance, she would never be seen. I'm going to be honest none of her fans would have cared about her. it sounds mean but that's the truth. Even if she has the talent without ps/weight loss she wouldn't be seen. That's with every idol without PS would have never made it in this industry.
Honesetly, people with self love and self acceptance don't need plastic surgery. They against it.
You only can say this is you're born beautiful
@@vell2994 what is beautiful? It's different on every country. You can never be beautiful in everywhere
@@____Sunflower____ well, Angelina Jolie is gorgeous EVERYWHERE 😂
@@____Sunflower____I agree with it
@@myBquestno she is not .not all people think so
I'm not sure why people think that if she claims to be her own standard, that it somehow has to be completely different than any other standard. Her standard of beauty is a personal one. And it's only for her. She doesn't ask others to live to hers, and doesn't want to be held to someone else's. And if standards overlap, so what, it doesn't mean that it isn't legitimate. That somehow they are being disingenuous. I myself had cosmetic dentistry done when I was younger. Not because I was trying to impress anyone else. I had no issues attracting partners. I just didn't like the look of my teeth in the mirror. So I changed that. Doesn't mean I can't love myself. Love my physical appearance just because I had it modified.
Ironically, by saying that unless she is unchanged, that she is exactly the way she was made that she can't legitimately claim she loves her body. How nice of you people to set a standard for her to meet in order to gain your approval. Why not just accept the message for what it is, and forget about shooting the messenger.
Exactly! These people feel so entitled to be talking about other people’s bodies online when they should be focusing on themselves.
Wow, this vide was more insightful than I thought it would be. I thought this would be like those other "cosmetic surgery analysis" videos that would basically just say the artist got everything done and you should hate them for it. I appreciate how you worded your sentences in the video in a way that didn't rag on the artist.
My thoughts on the topic:
- Honestly, the work Hwasa has done to her face isn't really that noticeable until you scrutinize it. I am a Moomoo myself, and I didn't notice 90% of the face things you pointed out, mainly because I think she didn't get them drastically modified, just enough to enhance what she already had. The only one thing I consciously noticed before this video was the chest one. I believe we first saw it during the Somebody! music video with Loco.
- I feel like apart from that concert clip where she shared how she got rejected for being chubby, it was really the rest of us who put her in the pedestal of a "self-love icon." Not saying that she isn't, as we have seen how her success became inspiration for all other people who look up to her that has similar complexion, similar face, or just a similar situation where their physique was the reason of rejection and discrimination.
Despite everything, I think it's quite noticeable how Hwasa still struggled a lot with the KPOP idols' dieting culture, crash dieting for comebacks that lead them to binge eating. I think having the place of one of the self-love icons in the industry, from what it looks like it might have also burdened her as there were probably times she still didn't love herself, her body, her skin completely. Which I think is natural to go through such ups and downs, especially in her line of work where "body positivity" is celebrated but at the same time you still NEED to be skinny when you appear on TV. You know what I mean?
- People who have done cosmetic modifications/enhancements advocating self-love is a *gray area* in my opinion. There are purists/absolutists who believe you wouldn't need to go through such physical changes manually if you truly loved yourself. However, we cannot just dismiss the fact that body dysmorphia is a real thing, whether you have the BDD mental disorder, or just genuinely feel like a part of your body doesn't make you feel 100% you. To me, people who undergo cosmetic surgery TO LOOK like other people (to look more caucasian, American, or even Korean as Asian fishing is also now a thing) those people I would feel weird about calling them advocates of self-love. However for cases like Hwasa, who seems to have done such changes to enhance things they already have, who seems to be just more confident in their own skin now with changes they chose themselves FOR themselves, I think there's no harm in still looking up to her and to them as your models of self-love.
I really appreciate your insight here! You’ve brought up so many interesting points!! I totally agree with your comment about the dangers of placing someone on a pedestal for their body. being known so widely for her body/ figure has undoubtably impacted hwasa’s body- and self-image! Even when praising her, we are still drawing attention to her appearance, and under such scrutiny there is no way she wouldn’t be affected. “”Body positivity" is celebrated but at the same time you still NEED to be skinny when you appear on TV” - this really highlights the industry’s overarching opinion regarding body positivity. There’s still a far way to go until we see k-pop truly embracing different faces and bodies. honestly, I believe hwasa most likely would not have had any cosmetic work if she wasn’t a k-pop star. I also believe that female k-pop artists are always boxed into a certain group, and often have cosmetic surgery to fulfill this prescribed label. In hwasa’s case, being quickly categorized as “sexy” may partially explain some of her surgical choices.
Thank you again for your comment! I truly enjoyed reading your thoughts and I hope to hear more of your insight in future videos/posts😊
Thank you for bringing awareness.
I think it's dishonest from her to not talk about it and I'm disappointed.
I will express what I don't like and why but I won't stop supporting her.
Love 💖
This is actually so thoughtful. I agree that she didn’t talk about it but she has struggled over the years & deserves all our support. ❤
For her chest, if you watch her with Wheein’s concert on stage you’ll see that it’s still the same. I think she wears padded bras or push ups
Idols/celebs who preach self-love/acceptance while getting work done in the same vein is nothing new tbh. I mean, DUH!! It would actually be more surprising to me if she preached/sung ab that stuff and was really all natural, *especially* in the industry that she’s in. The work is subtle and she still looks recognizable, so kudos to her!
To be human is to have contradictions and hypocrisy. Yes you can still talk about self love while getting cosmetic procedures. Even if you do not follow your own message, you can help someone else who needs to hear those words.
Omg please make more of these !!!
Wonder if you’ll ever do a deep dive on Solar… I do believe the pressure for being the only Mamamoo member fitting the beauty standards was too harsh on her, I remember when she released Honey I didn’t recognize her in most thumbnails :(
I agree!! I felt the same when seeing her in the spoilers for Honey, just unrecognizable.
Solar haven’t had any thing done she changed her makeup maybe she had some botox other than that nothing
She looks super different from predebut @sowhat5399
Maybe this is a controversial opinion, but I believe if it makes you happy then there's no problem. Of course there's a difference between having plastic surgery due to health issues and purely cosmetic reasons, but I don't think there's any harm in getting plastic surgery if it makes you feel more confident and happy about yourself. Although there should be concern if it gets obsessive or excessive, and impossible beauty standards does have an obvious impact on influential groups like teenagers or in this case kpop idols, is it really that harmful if doing the procedure makes someone happier and more confident in themselves
it's not a problem but lying about it is a problem...
I think the problem is that what makes people "happy" - especially in the Kpop industry and in Korea in general has a lot to do with how people judge your looks. So it would be more honest/realistic to say "if it makes people around you give you more positive attention then there's no problem"
@@ehyzenshe never lied though.. but I know YOU are right now.
You are so right. This should not be controversial because this should be common sense. People get work done for themselves and to feel better. Also considering her job being in the public and receiving all kinds of comments about her looks, no one is to say what these celebrities can or can’t do to they OWN bodies.
I am dissapointed to hear that, but then again, I was dumb enough to think that a Kpop idol can be natural and that is my fault.
Same!
She keeps doing surgeries almost every year , nose implants breast implants lip fillers cheeks doing eyelids surgeries etc etc so the self love was just an agenda to sell her song to the gp and kpopies
@@sowhat5399 stay delulu
@@purpleflower-fs6vx the only delulus in here is u & her stans
i think it's fairly obvious that she's had recent work done on her chest, perhaps as a result of being hyper-sexualized by the public and wanting to uphold that image.
however, i'm not shaming anyone's potential procedures bc i don't believe that little tweaks here and there are truly antithetical to the idea of self-love. i believe everyone has their own individual aesthetic based on their natural features and wanting to "enhance" it is something i can understand. to me, it's the people who clearly want to look like someone they're not that raise concern (often the ones who repeatedly get things done and show perpetual dissatisfaction with themselves).
to me, hwasa doesn't fit in this category. other than aging she's had the same face since debut and has always seemed confident with who she is despite the avalanche of criticism. when she wrote maria she became a symbol of loving not just your body but also who you are as a person, going from a B to a D cup doesn't change that lol.
She sexualised herself, don't blame that on the public.
Okay but hwasa said she loves the sexy concept.
@@skillbopster fr funny that they blame the public but not Hwasa. she is the one who likes to sexalized her self.
The problem is not the surgeries, the problem is that she sells herself as a "self-confident" woman when she is not, she already had surgery on her face, on her body, it's hypocrisy, but come on, all this shit worked for her to be popular even if she lie to her fans and world.
Hwasa really look different with make up or no make up
“I love my body” but gets a whole bunch of plastic surgery along with breast implants.
I like Hwasa but you gotta preach something you genuinely mean.
For real like she done whole bunch of this and then she sings a song that she love her body like this is really hypocrite.
Body and face are different 😂 and also woman in their mid twenties gain a bit of fat on boobs I was wearing 32B till 23 but from 24 I had to switch to 32C without my weight changing and also during childbirth it increases .
Are you slow? The song is called “I Love My Body,” not “I Love My Natural Body”… Natural or not it is HER body. Y’all need to get a life for real. She loves her body and she’s preaching exactly THAT.
What tf does tht have to do with anything
She said what she said. She loves her body natural or not it’s still part of her body. Y’all are so rude for no reason did anyone ask her if she had work done “no” she didn’t admit or deny anything. That means she doesn’t need to explain a damn thing to anyone. You say you like her but tryna say she doesn’t love herself! Thts fcked up fr bro. You don’t “genuinely” like her.
@@shaniyalively1169why do you guys always have excuses for idols?
When you spread something important, you have to mean it. If she really loved herself she will not change things about her appearance hwasa became only confident after she has done a lot of surgeries. of course she loves herself. sorry but anyone who is going to do plastic surgery is going to be confident. someone who talks about self love shows his insecurities as his natural self. not after a lot of surgies. hwasa has become really confident after her transformation after her debut (cuz of ps). what I can't stand is that people would criticize celebrities or influencers for talking about self love (even they have done ps) but not on idols. lying about loving yourself while you have had many surgeries is being fake and hypocritical. but yes, for idols you always have excuses. If Hwasa was that confident she would never done ps. But she is not. She just wont to loose her self love queen title.
Self acceptance doesn’t mean no plastic surgery. It’s just means she’s having the looks that she’s comfortable with and not conforming to others’ standard be it achieved naturally or thru plastic surgery.
This "discoloration" in eye corner is makeup
Cope
Stop denying it! Hwasa had a lot of work done. Admit it or stay delulu.
2:34 i get injections to hide that 😂 you always want what you dont have
She went against her own saying "If I can't fit the standard, I will become the standard" and then goes to fit a standard by making her facial features even, by getting the hourglass body shape, by putting on lighter shades of foundation. She ruined herself in my eyes. As harsh as it sounds, I can't look up to her as I used to. We all loved her for being HER but after Maria era she pushed all the years of hard work to stay true to her natural beauty and talent down the drain.
So was she supposed to look how YOU felt she should look? That is not our body, and Hwasa will always be an advocate for us loving ourselves and doing things for our mental happiness. But also guess what, people change over time, we can’t be one same thing forever. I understand how you feel and hey that’s all you. Besides, it’s not like she’s a completely different person, chill.
She never said she would become your standard, but her own personal standard. Still love her tho❤❤
@@MayMay-if2hu True, you bring a good point. Sadly she only lost herself on the way. Well I suppose she brought lessons for us to learn from❤️
@@ChaiMuun Not how I felt she should be, it's how she was born to be, she fought hard to be that till finally she gave in the surgeries and weightloss standards.
But even with the surgery she still doesn't look like the standard
She look good af
I don't blame her everyone here even b ,c list celebrities gets work done it's impossible not to unless you are born the beauty standard or have very High confidence on your work .
And also i don't she ever said openly don't change your self or this messiah of body positivity , she just explained a part of her past life ...i think the fans were all who put all those narratives .
Why is everyone so pressed about breast implants? PLASTIC SURGERY AND BODY POSITIVITY CAN CO-EXIST. You can love yourself and your own body despite getting some work done. Stop hating on women. She never denied or confirmed anything. GET A LIFE Y'ALL.
I really liked your analysis 💖💖 Can you do JAEHYUN from NCT next time?😍😍
On the one hand, yes perhaps it is deceptive as it is not her original face. On the other hand, even with some work done she still doesn’t fit into Korean beauty standards.
Watching this in here "Na" era.
She lost SO MUCH weight.
She's still gorgeous, but I kind of feel...sad? She was the ONE idol I thought loved her curves.
It's just how people love to blame women who get plastic surgeries than the people who forced them to get it or made them so insecure that they had no other choice. People constantly ridiculed her, made fun of her, didn't respect her for her talent and now she has to become like this to keep building on her career but of course she'll get blamed for this too.Gosh !
Lo que sea que se hizo le quedo precioso y no es exagerado como en otros casos donde idols quedan totalmente irreconocibles. Igual le diría que no se toque más los labios, actualmente hay una moda de agrandarse los labios y quedan enormes y no muy estéticos. Ojalá no se haga nada drástico drástico el futuro y no sienta la presion de la sociedad por cambiar porque ahora mismo está hermosa ♡
I see all K-pop idols body part change in evey year expect hwasa
Self-love doesn't mean you need to stay or keep your look the way you look. Even the most confident people you think of still undergo their own self-criticism to themseleve whether physical or not. It's not being a hypocrite, it's being human. Why do we change our hairstyles or put on makeup or oyher clothes if we already "love ourselves"? Maybe its because we WANT to do those because it makes us feel better, it makes us feel ourselves. This applies the same to plastic surgery. I think people need to realize that plastic surgery isn't all that bad unless it harms you. Self-love doesn't always have to reflect through physical means.
You can't really compare surgery to makeup or hairstyles though. Plastic surgery is often irreversible and it comes with medical risks such as allergies, post-surgery depression, infection, necrosis, severe pain, severe scarring, unsatisfying results that require follow-up surgeries and in some cases even death (especially BBLs and jaw reconstruction are dangerous).
@@nehalilisays I dont think you understand the point that i was trying to say. I was talking about the choices people make to make them feel better whether surgery or not. I was talking about self love and how people can choose to change a certain way they look because they want to. Almost every kpop idol went through this anyway. I'm also pretty sure they know the risks before getting into something that can make or break your appearance and confidence. Some people don't spontaneously do it anyway. That's far from what I was saying though and I do agree with you.
can you please do Mamamoo Wheein too🙏🏼
Hi,i want to ask about nose bump/hump.
Is this possible after getting rhinoplasty,people still maintain their nose bump/hump?
Yes. Not to mention it’s a common Hollywood trick to make people believe there’s no work being done in the first place.
Yes, Kim Kardashian is a good example for this, she’s probably gotten a rhinoplasty in the past but she still has a bump.
People can also develop nose bumps due to surgery. An example of these post op deformities would be Momo from Twice who now has a saddle nose.
@@lea5308 correction: kim hasn't had a hump since the 2000s lmao she retained the hump after the first rhinoplasty (and it was stunning) but after her second one she got rid of it. not it looks like any boring cookie cutter beverly hills nose.
La mayoria de idols se nota que se hicieron cirugia ortognatica y no tiene nada de malo pero los fans se re enojan
Can’t have it all ❤ the beauty standards today
Kpop and other stars do surgery so I don't have to tbh. People should advocate for natural beauty pre op or post op... it doesn't matter. Get surgery if you want b/c some people really don't like the way they look or feel societal pressures. Only way to discover yourself is to "fck around and find out."
Honestly, I think a part of self love is doing whatever the hell you want to your body. So no, it's not a sham, and I think you should stop trying to bait people with titles like these.
humans are filled with contradictions. you can love yourself, or at least try your hardest to, and still be affected by the judgments of ppl all around you. as long as someone isn’t trying to look like someone completely different, i think it’s okay to enhance a feature or two if it would help your self esteem
i dont get why people care so much about idols surgeries its practically an requirement to be an idol, like who cares
Then don't preach self love then.
@@skillbopster so closeminded and for what?
@@Dani-eh1mn It's hypocrisy.
@@skillbopster didn’t know self-love meant loving urself unconditionally from bottom to top. Yours is being close minded
@@ajhewoewahhhwee5998 yess it does. Bruh how dumb can you be. Pls stfu if you dont have something smart to say. Go educate yourself and go look up the meaning of self love stupid.
she has money, and this not impact my life. so what? 😅
you can see all her music is about her worries and insecurity. Not cause she's a perfect person, like I'm a v is about how media and people portrayed her
a child vs grown woman
You’re delusional.😂
WHY not make videos about plastic dolls like blackpink and twice
Exactly. The only time they caught themselves using Hwasa name. SM and JYP artist are going through it in a lot more blatant way.
don't be dense, they make posts about everybody on their instagram. literally every idol is a ""plastic doll"" maybe don't view PS like that then you won't consider it negatively.
They already did analysis on instagram. None in kpop industry are 100% natural free from plastic surgery. The difference is some might have an invasive and some have a subtle work done.
a salty simp i see. so what now we have a meeter to say when someone is plastic based on how much they get done compared to your face, the delusion
What a big baby. Cant handle the fact that your “confident” queen got called out so you project your insecurities onto much more beautiful women??
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Siyeon from Dreamcatcher please 🙏
The only thing that truly bothers me about her look is the lips.
Goes overboard with whatever she’s doing with her bottom lip and overlining them in excrement-brown color doesn’t help.
About Hwasa's breasts lately, i think it's just her bra 😂😂 the teaser for "Just Talking to Myself" (th-cam.com/video/F0MlisqUxNE/w-d-xo.html) for her Hwasa Show just released now, and her boobs are not that big compared to her latest promotion appearances and all.
IMO, self-love depends on your definition like self-love can also mean making yourself feel beautiful by your own standards, be it be enhancing it or watever, OR, it can also mean just simply being contented with what you have. ✌✌🤷♀
If u have watch some vedios of mamamoo members they are more prettier with out make up thats why i like them no big changes of surgeries in hwasa interview said if he perform he likes to pout her lips and raised his brows 😅 he really looks different with make up vs no make up
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So because she had work done she doesn’t love herself and y’all really tryna sit there and convince somebody that they don’t love there self. WOW! Ok say she had work. So what, it’s her body she can do whatever the hell she wants with it. She still Iives up to her own standards. Looking at her nose it didn’t really change much, her lips are still small just a little more plump, her eyes look the same, maybe she had her breast done ole well, why yall looking at her titties anyway, and because she lost some weight it’s a problem that she doesn’t look the same as she did 7 years ago….. yall have gotta stop creating stuff like this to drag ppl down when there at the top.
Which own standard??? Please she fits the kbs just as other idols. Period
@@YouCant.FoolMe no she does not and you know that your damn self
@@YouCant.FoolMe hwasa is far from the KBS face wise and body wise, what are you on?
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I do not believe hwasa has gotten plastic surgery, its just some lip fillers. She admitted to have started getting meridian massages on a show. She said the massage was very brutal and hurt alot. After recovering from the massage sessions during her vacations, when she came back to work her makeup artist commented how her face looked smaller compared to before. We as outsiders know nothing unless and until the idols themselves reveal stuff. Its better to stop speculating about others' bodies and creating rumours based on what we see.
Girl is so obvious she done a lot of sugeries. Stop the d riding. And she never going to admit cuz other wise she will loose her self love queen title.
@@YouCant.FoolMe Who hurt you and why are you so obsessed with someone you don't even know? 😅
her work is well done. I hope you post more videos despite the backlash from all the inbred 12 year olds that don't know left from right. this is the kind of stuff people need to be in the know about, especially people that refuse to acknowledge the atrocities that occur all the time bc of this industry.
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It's 100% a sham lol
Hawasa...... 🤨
What are you talking about? So should a balding hair stylist still be a hair stylist? Should a TH-cam channel with less than 200 subscribers still be calling themselves a TH-camr? So if she “just” loss the weight, could she still talk about body positivity? Or would you continue to question her? People love Hwasa because she’ll do WHATEVER she wants. And she does it well.
For your benefit going forward I suggest using words like “allegedly”
while i agree that the title is unnecessary, and anyone with ps can still preach self-love and/or spread a good message regardless. ps can also be a form of self-love & is usually an individuals choice.
on the other hand, it isn't a secret that most idols get comestic surgery & this doesn't leave out hwasa. ofc there is going to be speculation, but it only becomes a bad thing when people start to view plastic surgery as a bad thing. suggesting someone got PS isn't negative, it is merely an observation. i just hate when k-pop fans act like just cus their idols aren't all natural that its the end of the world.
"So should a balding hair stylist still be a hair stylist?" congratulation to miss the point complitly
"Should a TH-cam channel with less than 200 subscribers still be calling themselves a TH-camr?" girl... she just started calm down your comment didn't do what you think it would
"People love Hwasa because she’ll do WHATEVER she wants" no people love her because her body is trendy now and claim self love and acceptance very popular thing in the love yourself fat acceptance comunity, the lack of critical thinking is incredible, just say u are a simp for her and u would to whatever to protect the image of her YOU have in YOUR HEAD
hi! this video is meant to simply encourage reflection - that’s why i posed an open question. i love hearing other people’s opinions!
while i do personally believe that hwasa can still be regarded as an advocate for self-love, I still think it’s interesting to consider how cosmetic surgery does/does not play into discussions surrounding body positivity. my intention is never to offend anyone, and i apologize if this video hurt you in any way. thank you for your comment😊
Lisa plastic surgery jisoo plastic surgery make a video
They've made posts on both of those on their Instagram already.
So where is the line? I got my haircut yesterday, does that mean I don't love my body and can't preach about body positivity? What about make up? Hair extensions or coloring? What if I decided I need to shed a few pounds to fit into my clothes instead of going out and buying bigger ones? Are all the things I listed not permanent so they don't count? Tattooed eyeliner is semi permanent. How about having a wart removed from the middle of your forehead? Maybe it's more about the reasons we make improvements to our appearance. And try as we might I don't think any of the public has a clue why she has made any of the changes. Maybe she has made changes to herself to meet her own standard of beauty 🤔. Ya maybe we are too quick to judge when we don't the slightest fuckin idea what she feels or why she does things she does.
Ridiculous apples and oranges argument.
@@skillbopster I'm not sure what's ridiculous about it I asked a question. At what point do changes you make to your body disqualify you from preaching positive self image. I have a relative who reduced from a EE to D because it was hard to find clothes that would fit her properly. Does that mean she can't love her body?
@@Syboutszeni think that example of surgery is related to health and difficulty with daily functions. It's not the same as permanently changing yourself or recognizability or ethnic features for a beauty standard. But to each their own. Her body is her choice
@@moonamigi Nobody wants to answer my question. At what point of self improvement do we invalidate someone's legitimacy to preach body positivity? Almost every individual from the time they are a teenager tries to improve their appearance at some level. No matter that the improvement may have other benefits like health. There is still part of the motivation that is for public acceptance.. So many people want to pass judgement about the messenger instead of applauding the message.
Why does she need to talk about her body her face. This video is disgusting every other idol has plastic surgery from every girl group why is it hwasa responsibility to tell the world her surgeries if she feels comfortable and confident good for her -
Hwasa is a liar thats why
@@Slimylady funny how you’ve responded 2 months later a blackpink fan shame on you to talk about other idols
@@UzZZ-m4k are you ignorant? I just saw the video
@@Slimylady😂😂😂 lol wahhahaaa ... blinks always make me laught😂😂😂😂 hahaaaa u need to take care yourself first 😂😂 or your favs ❤
@@Slimyladyexactly she is always preaching about bullying and how she stood up and made standards blah blah just to have millions of surgeries done even before debuting with mmm it’s just pure hypocrisy
Hwasa just grew up not plastic surgery
growing up doesn't give u a long chin and taller nose bridge last time i checked 🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@felmargego2534baby fat is a thing weirdo
She litteraly looks different.
i think no surgeries of hwasa no deffirence just the make up
makeup doesn't give you a longer chin, taller nose bridge and flared nostrils.
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Delusional
Go outside
it's really none of your business
Why are you getting defensive?? you shouldn’t have clicked on the video.
She literally just lost weight and grew up.. Yall are weird. She looks the same..
y'all need to stop denying how ps is very common in kpop and that so many idols have gotten a thing or two tweaked. last time i checked, puberty/growing up didn't give anyone a longer chin, a taller nose bridge, and slimmer nose with flared nostrils. let's not be delusional here.
@@felmargego2534 no one is denying sht, but when it comes to hwasa which is the focus of the video I can say what I please. She looks the same and when she loses weight her face does change simple.
Weird how yall scream there's nothing wrong with ps then go to the end of the earth to prove an idol has had surgery when you have no proof and it's no big deal.
Not only that pictures get edited all the time.
And kpop stans wonder why idols get worse about their looks.
Also yes makeup can do wonders
it’s always the “weight” and “different make up” for the denial fans🤦🏻♀️
@@r0ckbison almost like she's known for her being "bigger" so yeah she looks different
@@Mistysilvermist i am not pointing to hwasa only, majority of kpop fans are always bringing up the “weight” stuffs when their faves looks different
it's so funny to me that your descriptions always say 'stay respectful :)' yet the entire basis of your videos are inherently so so disrespectful to the idols you're talking about.
How?
@@____Sunflower____ the title? hello????
????? literally no they're not lmfao you dunces that lack the ability to understand nuance immediately think that pointing something out in a way that isn't overtly positive automatically equals hatred or disrespect. hwasa got work done. all your favs have. stop trying to act like pointing it out is some sort of crime. she even complimented the quality of hwasa's work. get your head out of your ass. lol
@@hamilcross The fact you've completely missed the tone and point of my comment is hilarious - sit down with ur thesis!
@@vivilvrhwasa is a celebrity, who offere her ART to the public. And celebrities wiuld always be associated to their arts. In this case what hwasa is selling is “self-love no matter what” and “not fitting to the standard so you should make ur own standard” when she is doing the complete opposite of that irl. She’s clearly trying to fit to the standard she’s bitching about by altering how she looks. If she really dont care abt the standard then she’ll be focusing solely on her music and producing DESPITE HOW MANY TIMES she gets recommended to alter things about her appearance because looks would NOT be the point of her music. But is it? Clearly no. So it’s ok for people to analyze and be aware that at the end of the day celebs care more about the money they make and less about empowering people, so people shouldnt follow the logic of “altering the way they look” to make themselves happy because clarly the one selling it is also hypocritical.