Great technique! FWIW, if you have RX7 or later, you can use the Music Rebalance module to reduce a reference track to only its drum/perc elements. That makes it a lot easier to find and clip out a single kick (or snare, etc.) This can make for a more accurate starting point without needing to manually trim out some overlapping bass note, like you had to do in the 2nd kick in this video. (I often do this to isolate kicks and snares, so that I can loop them over and over while digging through my sample library in XO's cloud browser to find something similar-sounding.)
Thanks! I used a similar idea on the astrix example, with Steinberg tools :) but still got a bit of that strange nuance when ripping with Psylab - although it was much cleaner than the ajja example which I didn't process before-hand
lol, that's what I was about to add, now I just read your comment. To be honest at first to me I saw really no point to this approach, as I just mostly use Microtonic or simple sine osc with noise, saturation and compression. even using Kick2 a lot as simple as possible without click. You already shown us , how to phase align kick and bass. It opens up to me, for specific Genres, you want to even get into specific stuff (I am more techno kick drum guy) layered kick drum sounds, as pushing more the mid and click freq , so that's nice approach you let yourself inspire from kind of "Blueprint Kickdrum and then resynthesize it.. so it is not only copy, it has still creative part in it, Cheers ;-)
Hey Dash thanks for showing psylab :) , just a quick add: can make process a little bit quicker/easier just by drag and dropping kick file from explorer to the interface too in case th-cam.com/video/VD1oKT7ASpU/w-d-xo.html
8:45 I wish Kick2 would be updated and just have a simple linear/log switch for exactly these cases. You could layer sounds sample-perfect if the nodes would match the waveform. They even HAD THAT FEATURE, but removed it, because they thought nobody would use it. I hope they reimplement that linear/log switch one day. I really do.
Yo dude, Astrix called... he want's his kick drum back... BTW this is sick... Pitch detection is really hard to implement even for stationary pitches... Imagine for a pitch that moves like a kick drum!
Oh sorry, I did not know that I had to wait question to talk... :) And it was just a funny observation. And Astrix is not obvious....no need to be a smarty pants...(or else we are several thousands....) I never like full on melodic like that. I like psychedelic music, like Derango, Atriohm, Kindzadza, Farebi Jalebi, Arjuna, Ulvae, Grouch, Hypogeo, and many many more....
Holy shit I literally had this idea for a plug-in and have been wanting something like this since forever. I might actually buy a PC for my studio just for this 😅
Althoug PsyLab seems a bit 'easier' with the automatic mode, in Kick 2 you can get the (almost) same result. If you start working with Kick 2 you get quite fast with matching both waveforms. Last summer I created a whole bunch of Kicks using that method from various tracks. If you then dont like the transient of that Kick, you can use the Transient of the already imported reference Kick. If you look for an easy plugin to combine Transient, Body and Tail of a Kick you can look for Chop Suey VST. There you can phase align Kickssnippets with ease 🙂
@@nofood1 oddly I was just thinking that now haha I got a spare MacBook but needs a new battery. I have no other immediate use for it so I could make a windows partition
Seriously? It's done! Finally, PSYLAB was shown on the big channel =) And then others were "embarrassed" to talk about this wonderful plugin! Thank you! =) Upd. Dash, can you pin the message of the FX23 developer? Thank you!
Thank you very much for the vídeo! As this could be expected, did ever try to mimic a kick from a different genre like, lets say, drill, hip-hop, trap, or e vem an acoustic an see what happens?
I have tested this Plugin with this Trick very cool but you must disable the adsr envelope !! the standard envelope is not disabled after you take the envelope from the reference
very complicated tool, for very little use really.....kick is the last thing you realy need to get, I presume there are trillions free drum kick online, or if you have analog synthesizer - you can make your own kick drums (model D costs 300USD) and it's easy to use
@@TomJuce Linear phase would make it worse imho, the ringing from the LP would completely smear the transient of the kick. Visually it will be different from the reference on an oscilloscope.
@@DashGlitch if you are ripping a kick, into audio, the pre ringing is not an issue right? or am i mixing things... i know it will be different visually, but music is for the ears not the eyes ;)
maybe you should buy the tracks you try to sample, or buy the software before you are presenting it to other guys outside... is cubase also not yours? :D
I bought psylab and I own Cubase and every bit of software I use, I do also own a wav of both these tracks. I guess you missed the actual point of the video and decided to assume me as a scum bag, well done
Great technique! FWIW, if you have RX7 or later, you can use the Music Rebalance module to reduce a reference track to only its drum/perc elements. That makes it a lot easier to find and clip out a single kick (or snare, etc.) This can make for a more accurate starting point without needing to manually trim out some overlapping bass note, like you had to do in the 2nd kick in this video. (I often do this to isolate kicks and snares, so that I can loop them over and over while digging through my sample library in XO's cloud browser to find something similar-sounding.)
Thanks! I used a similar idea on the astrix example, with Steinberg tools :) but still got a bit of that strange nuance when ripping with Psylab - although it was much cleaner than the ajja example which I didn't process before-hand
Was going to say the same thing. Also... enjoyed you clip to zero strategy recently.
lol, that's what I was about to add, now I just read your comment. To be honest at first to me I saw really no point to this approach, as I just mostly use Microtonic or simple sine osc with noise, saturation and compression. even using Kick2 a lot as simple as possible without click. You already shown us , how to phase align kick and bass. It opens up to me, for specific Genres, you want to even get into specific stuff (I am more techno kick drum guy) layered kick drum sounds, as pushing more the mid and click freq , so that's nice approach you let yourself inspire from kind of "Blueprint Kickdrum and then resynthesize it.. so it is not only copy, it has still creative part in it, Cheers ;-)
Omg I've been dreaming about this plugin. I've always been doing this manually in Kick 2 and its a pain in the dick!
Hey Dash thanks for showing psylab :) , just a quick add: can make process a little bit quicker/easier just by drag and dropping kick file from explorer to the interface too in case
th-cam.com/video/VD1oKT7ASpU/w-d-xo.html
This is a great idea to recreating favorite Kick drum
8:45 I wish Kick2 would be updated and just have a simple linear/log switch for exactly these cases. You could layer sounds sample-perfect if the nodes would match the waveform. They even HAD THAT FEATURE, but removed it, because they thought nobody would use it. I hope they reimplement that linear/log switch one day. I really do.
and expand the oscillators. Kick2 could be anything, from snares to zaps to whatever...but is severely limited by the oscillator.
Old post. but kick 3 is doing this now and coming out soon! Loads of new features.
loved ya face when the ajja kick looped haha
very cool. i must try this with kick2
Yo dude, Astrix called... he want's his kick drum back...
BTW this is sick... Pitch detection is really hard to implement even for stationary pitches... Imagine for a pitch that moves like a kick drum!
Everybody it's here for Astrix kicks don't lie
No need to lie personnally...I don't like Astrix...
@@-zoave- nobody asks u if u like. The comment its for people who like Astrix music. It is obvious. No need to act like that smarty pants.
Oh sorry, I did not know that I had to wait question to talk... :) And it was just a funny observation.
And Astrix is not obvious....no need to be a smarty pants...(or else we are several thousands....) I never like full on melodic like that. I like psychedelic music, like Derango, Atriohm, Kindzadza, Farebi Jalebi, Arjuna, Ulvae, Grouch, Hypogeo, and many many more....
Holy shit I literally had this idea for a plug-in and have been wanting something like this since forever. I might actually buy a PC for my studio just for this 😅
Althoug PsyLab seems a bit 'easier' with the automatic mode, in Kick 2 you can get the (almost) same result. If you start working with Kick 2 you get quite fast with matching both waveforms. Last summer I created a whole bunch of Kicks using that method from various tracks. If you then dont like the transient of that Kick, you can use the Transient of the already imported reference Kick. If you look for an easy plugin to combine Transient, Body and Tail of a Kick you can look for Chop Suey VST. There you can phase align Kickssnippets with ease 🙂
Hey! I should of guessed I'd find you here!
run parallels on mac, unless you're on linux lol
@@nofood1 oddly I was just thinking that now haha I got a spare MacBook but needs a new battery. I have no other immediate use for it so I could make a windows partition
killa videos bro !! many thakss !!!
Seriously? It's done! Finally, PSYLAB was shown on the big channel =) And then others were "embarrassed" to talk about this wonderful plugin! Thank you! =)
Upd. Dash, can you pin the message of the FX23 developer? Thank you!
Awesome video as always!
Your a weapon Dash chrs for sharing ! :)
Thank you very much for the vídeo!
As this could be expected, did ever try to mimic a kick from a different genre like, lets say, drill, hip-hop, trap, or e vem an acoustic an see what happens?
Hola! oh wow what's that? I am learning
I have tested this Plugin with this Trick very cool but you must disable the adsr envelope !! the standard envelope is not disabled after you take the envelope from the reference
can this be used on more complex kicks? Like for example from lorn?
i'm going for the softer zenon kicks!
Yeah nice plug-in, I already knew it, but unfortunately (for Mac users and me...) only for Windows...
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demucs -
very complicated tool, for very little use really.....kick is the last thing you realy need to get, I presume there are trillions free drum kick online, or if you have analog synthesizer - you can make your own kick drums (model D costs 300USD) and it's easy to use
You can rip kicks with any EQ or multiband compressor...
You can, and have a phasey mess with no ability to tune the kick ;)
@@DashGlitch you can use linear phase, and the tune on kicks in psytrance are not that important...
@@TomJuce Linear phase would make it worse imho, the ringing from the LP would completely smear the transient of the kick. Visually it will be different from the reference on an oscilloscope.
@@DashGlitch if you are ripping a kick, into audio, the pre ringing is not an issue right? or am i mixing things... i know it will be different visually, but music is for the ears not the eyes ;)
@@TomJuce ears are subjective, oscilloscopes are not. Music is for the ears, but quantifiable data is for science.
maybe you should buy the tracks you try to sample, or buy the software before you are presenting it to other guys outside... is cubase also not yours? :D
I bought psylab and I own Cubase and every bit of software I use, I do also own a wav of both these tracks. I guess you missed the actual point of the video and decided to assume me as a scum bag, well done
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