WARNING: Compost from an Electronic Composter can Harm Plants🙈🙉🙊 Results of a Seedling Test
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- Seedling test shows the danger of using material from an electronic composter.
The manufacturer of Nagual contacted me and said the following:
"First of all, the electronic composter's end product is highly concentrated nutrients and may burn the plant if not handle properly.
1. the plants that you use in the video are way too little while the compost are way too much in ratio.
2. the compost should stay away from plants' roots
3. compost should only touches soils, not plants. "
1) no compost is high in nutrients - even well made compost has an NPK of less then 1-1-1. The nutrients in the dried kitchen scraps produced here have almost no plant available nutrients. The company does not understand what plant "nutrients" are.
2) What good is compost if you can't put it near plants? The problem here is that the material produced is not compost - which is the conclusion in the video.
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WARNING: Using Compost from an Electronic Composter can Harm Plants🙈🙉🙊 Seedling Test
Testing compost using a seedling test.
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This is a great reality check. I wonder if it's OK to put into my regular Compost Bin, though. Maybe it will just speed up the normal process in there.
I love people that truly honor the scientific method. I wish all YT videos had this level of integrity.
Please share if you have know of the Bokashi method and what you think.
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I live in Winnipeg (winters get to -40c) so no composting from October to April. I got a machine like this to dehydrate what I normally would compost during winter and plan to mix it in my compost bin when the weather warms. Cheers
Bread machines with 10x markup
I bought one this around Christmas time last year for reduce my kitchen scrap and the odour free. My family likes seafood. The shells can be very bad smell if you don’t take out right away. And after in green bin one week, the smell very bad. So we only eat seafood on the weekend, because Monday is garbage day. Having this machine now we can eat seafood anytime we want. The machine drys and compress the waste very well. After 6 months use this machine, we only got less than 10lbs dry waste. It is works grate! I mix the waste with 80% soil and leave it in container to fermentation for next year to use. Looking forward Organic fertilizer.
It’s a shame the odor filters are not reusable and become a continuous operating expense, kind of ironic that a product meant to reduce landfill waste makes it’s own separate waste.
@@SchwaAlien plus having to wash it after every use…waste of water too.
Thanks for saving me money.
We'll done Sir, you provided your point. Food scraps is not a planting medium, it's a bio hazard! Lomi is an overpriced garbage dehydrator which is a total disaster!
Thank you for saving me $500
Thanks! I didn’t understand how composting could happen in less than a day. Now I understand - it doesn’t!
Look up Reencle
Same here. It would benefit the landfills with less waste, so that our carbon footprint is smaller, but it isn't true compost.
I feed it to my Squirrels. They love it
Do an experiment with the lomi.
🤯😱 scarey
This was exactly the video I needed. I was about to waste money on one. Thanks so much. Great video.
Thank you for posting your experiment; recently seeing adverts for this equipment, and was wondering how it compared to a “worm-bin”.
The bin I have in my kitchen doesn’t smell, and the worms do a great job with my kitchen scraps. I will stick with Mama Nature and my worm bin.
Amen! 100 percent eco-friendly and free.
I've been using Lomi for several weeks and love it! The ratio suggested with potting mix is :1 compost to 10 potting mix.
That's what I'm doing, mixing 10-20% with compost.
I wonder if that’s just enough to not notice it’s actually worse? Love for him to do this test going up 10%
oh yeah, and i had to hit the sub button for this
I own an electric compost machine and the manufacturer's instructions clearly states to use a 1 : 10 byproduct to soil ratio. (1 : 15 if the byproduct contains meat). It could vary from brand to brand.
Fantastic content.
Horrifying T-shirt.
Would it work better if you have a bucket and mix it with dirt and let it actually turn into compost first? I was hoping it would smell better and create less liquid sewage.
The Cavle Composter my daughter bought me just came today. Glad I read this before getting it dirty so I can return it for a refund.
Bravo! I have been doing composting since the 80s and could not understand how an electronic composter could really make "quality" soil! Dehydration is NOT composting! There is so much involved in making real compost, obviously those that invented these "eco-friendly" devices, that use up lots of electricity to use, know nothing about true composting. Thank you for this video!
Thank you for this.
I am very surprised that there was no sprouting at all from the pot of 100% kitchen scraps. I would have expected something because even a damp paper towel will give you sprouts. From all of your results it appears that the scraps actually inhibit sprouting.
GREAT TESTING== everyone should watch this before using on plants
Very well done. I couldn’t understand how any device could make compost in hours. It took me weeks.
Another winner Robert
This was a super comprehensive review! Thanks so much.
Great information, as usual!
Excellent video, thanks!
Great information 🌱💚
Wow!! Thank You!! 🤦🏽♀️
I have the Vitamix eco 5 and it does grind it up like it’s supposed to be. I then mix it with large amounts of soil and water it for a week to let it compost. It’s very hot for sure and I’ve found about a tablespoon per gallon works well if it hasn’t been in a composter for a week first. Thought the grind on your ,aching is very lackluster so that may not be the case for you.
Insulate your compost bin, keeps working even in arctic conditions.
My Hotbin is steaming all year round, 😊
Thank you!
Thanks so much to sharing your information
thank you for this video. It clears up a lot of my unanswered questions
Thank you, very informative ☃️❄️💚🙃
Brilliant 👏, you sir saved me from wasting my money.
I will be keeping an eye out for your new book for sure!! Thank you once again for informing us.
Thanks for another great vid. I've really got a lot out of your Soil Science book. Can't wait for your next one!
Great thorough information. Thank you.
Always edifying to see a good experiment.
Great video, thank you for the experiment.
Thank you! I was thinking about purchasing something like this but decided to do my research. Your findings make good sense and although I'm in a tiny intercity apartment this is definitely not going to help. I'm glad that I happened upon this video.
hopefully you checked out thunderfoot channel
Thank you, this convinced me not to waste $500 on Lumi!!
One poorly conducted amateur experiment convinced you huh?
This is highly informative and interesting.
Perfect to feed to worms
Hi folks. Has anyone repeated this experiment?
I agree with you 100%, put it in the regular compost bin to finish composting or deep in the dirt in the Spring before planting or spread it on the top of the dirt in the winter, all for all, don't use it directly after it come out of the machine, it is not a finished product, it will burn the plants.
Awesome, educational and informative piece. Kudos!
Thanks for this extremely helpful information =)
So there’s one called Lomi and the express mode is 3-5 hours and it says not to use as compost but then they have a grow mode and it goes for 16hrs and that’s what you can use with plants. I’d love to see how this one goes up against an experiment like this.
I have asked to review their product, but did not hear from them. A year ago they did say they had no scientific study to show their product made compost.
@@Gardenfundamentals1 I'm also curious about the Lomi Grow cycle and end product. They provide tablets that contain bacteria and fungi to speed up the composting process and it runs 16 to 20 hours. Then they say to only use 10% compost in our dirt mixture. They said compost made with these tablets resulted in more plant growth than with compost made without the tablets.
@@suzanneb6608 since the product still has to be mixed in to normal soil in small amounts unlike actual compost I suspect that the pods may be providing some fertilizer along with the stuff they say it contains so that it benefits the plants, offsetting the toxicity of the non-composted plant material. Scientific analysis is needed to reveal what’s in their tablets.
Nice test and analysis Thanks from a new subscriber.
I had my doubts about the material when I first saw videos on these machines as you talk about. Great experiments, they prove what you are saying. My compliments. Cheers from Ottawa, Canada🍁
thank you that was nice of you to bring some reality to this, I purchased a regular composter, thank you
Thank you for your wonderful video. It saved me on buying one of these electronic composter. Extremely valuable for anyone who gardens
Bless this soul 🥹 was about to buy Lomi! Changed my mind 😀
i don't have a food cycler, but i have a dehydrator so i'm gonna conduct an experiment of my own, i'm gonna save up orange peelings, grape stems, and i'm dehydrate them along with beans and as a control i will just shred up the peelings and stems and try and experiment like what you're doing in this video, thanks for posting this and getting the gears in my mind turning👍👍
The first reason I would not get one of these is the filters cost $60 per year. No reason for that. Outrageous.
The good video
Thank you for this! I have one of these and I was suspicious about the advice of sprinkling it on my houseplants, it didn’t make much sense to me. I’m glad it removes food scraps from the local landfill though and I’d be super interested in your new book on composting as I have your pond gardening book which has been very helpful.
Thank you for this.
I am very surprised that there was no sprouting at all from the pot of 100% kitchen scraps. I would have expected something because even a damp paper towel will give you sprouts. From all of your results it appears that the scraps actually inhibit sprouting.
How does it remove food scraps from the local landfill? As far as I can tell the dry stuff needs to go to the same place it was destined to go before the machine spent a bunch of energy grinding and drying it; either the landfill or compost, and then it breaks down producing just as much methane as it would have unprocessed. I suppose if you burned the dry material in a wood stove that heated your place you would be saving the environment from the methane and avoid filling the landfill, but just like backyard composting that’s not an option for many folks, and it’s not advertised as a solution; they say to toss it.
@@SchwaAlien what I got out of watching all the videos was that whatever they had was much smaller.
I couldn’t glean anything else about it except there’s a lot of people that think that’s a huge help for the planet…even though the machine runs on electricity for up to 20 hours to make “dirt” and will end up in the landfill one day too. Plus the machine is not biodegradable as far as I could tell.😂
That is my goal, not putting food scraps in the landfill.
This is great info! Thank you for clarifying. I always wondered about these machines. You just can't rush nature, it's a process that needs time.
Thank you so much for this video, that’s how I find you. I seen one video of a electric compost and I was amazing of it but I was skeptical because it did it only in a couple hours , so I need some more research about it and this video made up my mind going to stick with natural compost , going to buy a Tumblr now thank you 😊
I have an Idoo Garbo and I figured out after the first time using it that it wasn't compost but dehydrated scraps. What I'm thinking of doing is maybe feeding some to my worms and putting the excess into my Bokashi composter. The inoculant should help ferment it into real compost. I hope I don't kill my worms 🤔😒
I knew those things were wrong
I have seen adds for those composers, I thought it sounded like a scam. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for testing.
I have been wondering about it.
I do Bokashi composing for my food waste and also I am waithing for this machine that I have ordered.
Now, I got the idea for solution.
I will continue Bokashi but after machine cycle, then it shorten the time of composing. I put Bokashi and food mix into pots and cover with soil a few months. But it probably takes much less time if I use both.
Thank you so much for teaching me that word!
My mother is Japanese and doesn’t speak very technical English well. We just called it “take it to the back garden”. My mom had a year round garden and she alternated the area she grew each year. Some plants would always be in certain places but we would always add “stuff” around those areas along with using the different side of the yard. Since we lived in the city we had a big garden area of the yard compared to most people…apx 100’ x60’ less where the the fruit trees were.
But some say that there are organisms that create compost.. still not true?
It just makes the scraps able to be compost faster. Will be using ours to make worm food in are worm bins
are you not meant to let it sit with soil for 6 weeks before using?
Actually..... that is exactly what Milorganite grass fertilizer is. Human sewage that has been dehydrated and broken down. My lawn LOVES it. Sooooo...... hopefully my plants like my Lomi compost too,
This kind of products are basically air fryers with built in grinders. A little bit too expensive and too useless for my taste.
Excellent video. I really wondered how they were able to do an actual "Compost" in such a short time. Thanks for this video.
I think I may buy that to add to my outdoor compost pile!
Setting your waste on fire and using the ash is the quickest solution.
Very informative. I learned that the machine is expensive dehydrator, no an actual composter. Really the dehydrated material would be great to store over the winter and place in the composter in the spring. But my dollar store bin with a tight seal lid does the trick. Thanks for extinguishing the urge to buy something I thought that’s was actually productive but really cant replace my 2$ compost holder. Thanks. Excellent video
I think this kitchen scrap dehydrator machine end product is a good food for worms bin
Thank you for this post. I was wondering whether or not to purchase an electronic composter. Now it's a definite no.
This was the exact video I've been looking for. Ever since the Lomi and other "home composters" have been taking over my social media ads for the past 2 yrs, I've regularly said myself "that isn't real compost". I haven't seen anything mentioning the beneficial microbes that are present in real compost that takes weeks to a month to create. It's exactly what you said, dried up material. Now, I guess I could probably add this to my REAL compost bin to substitute for the browns, but putting this straight on my plants? Nope.
Your lawn and garden have natural microbes to break down the organic material in warm temperatures
that's what I'm doing, adding some to my real compost.
Great videos for me, I learn from each of them. My question is, what do you think about just growing sand ?
Interesting experiment. I would be curious what the PH and nitrogen levels are in the different test pots?
It seems like the only way this thing would work is if the stuff then went through a worm bin.
That’s exactly what I’ve done. I also put it in the Hotbin and it’s worked fine. I always thought that if it was put in the ground directly it would just rehydrate. Any meaty or diary waste slwsys goes through my bokashi composting first.
That's mulch. Don't mix it with the growing media, apply it as a surface dressing to established plants. Worms will go crazy for it, and do all of the decomposition and mixing for you.
I live in New England and have been composting for over 10 years, but with cold winters and lots of trees blocking the sunlight, my compost bins barely made any compost; about 6 inches of compost created in 3 foot high bins in over 7 years. I gave the bins to a friend and now have been putting my Foodcycler end-product into a 6 gallon metal trashcan, along with some water and natural compost acceleratant granules. I have the metal can in the sun to break down quicker (it doesn't smell), and my plan is to wait at least a month before I mix it with soil from a nursery, in a 20/80% ratio. Then I will add it to my garden as about 2 inches of top soil.
Thank you for this video. I have a question. I am a beginner gardener who rarely uses fertilizer because I’m afraid that I will burn my plants. It has always been my understanding that when starting seeds, one should never use fertilizer. Not for the first couple weeks after germination (until after it gets its true leaves). Isn’t that what this compost is when it comes out of the Lomi? I would be interested in seeing a similar control test based on using the compost on several young plants instead of seedlings.
did you have the cover in the first test....looks like the second test didnt didnt have a cover on the big container?
no idea what you are talking about?
Too much organic material decomposing at once and your 'soil' more closely resembles a newly established and highly active compost-pile full of nitrogen rich material, which is great if you're intending to start a compost pile but terrible to grow anything in directly other than microbes. However, many seasoned gardeners know that burying kitchen scraps in the garden is highly beneficial for feeding the microbes present in the soil and improving soil fertility. Soil itself is basically mother natures digestive system. That's where everything goes eventually, even us... But you really can't grow anything in an active compost pile even if it is nestled down neatly into a small cup like this. Disappointing, I know. However, if you were to repeat this same experiment only using a common organic fertilizer like 'alfalfa meal' or Dr. Earth (in place of the dry kitchen scraps) you will get very similar results! But why? Too much organic decomposition = stinky anerobic mess that promotes plant pathogens. Don't over-fertilize and this problem is solved. The results of this experiment demonstrate the hazards of overfertilizing (with any organic fertilizer) and is to be expected.
Try this for an experiment:
Grind those dry scraps down into a homogenous powder and then disperse a very small amount (perhaps a teaspoon or so) per-gallon of fertigation water for a good starting application rate and then take things from there with the concentrations and compare to the controls. A little goes a long way. Remember, pelletized organic fertilizers take some time to break down as they nourish the soil food web more slowly, whereas a fine powdery material has far greater surface area contact with the soil and microbes- so it speeds up the colonization and decomposition of the material, thus less of it should be used than your typical pelletized organic amendments but should also be applied more often. Also, I think it would be better to run the experiment for a little longer to observe any long-term morphological changes taking place in the plants and changes in the soil or substrate as things develop. I suspect you will have more useful experimental results this way and be able to determine what the efficacious application of this fertilizer material is. Much depends on the biology of your soil to begin with, so seeding the substrate with some leaf mold or well matured compost is a really good idea.
I'd also be interested in seeing what this stuff can do in a Jadam-style liquid fertilizer.
The one I have [LOMI] takes 24 hours to compost , the option for 4 to 8 hours it’s not for composting
I use lomi, and then put in my composer to mix with other stuff.
They should not be allowed to market these as composters when they don't do any composting.
My Vitamix Foodcycler doesn't call itself a composter. It does suggest that you can add it to the soil as fertilizer.
Quality video thank you! I think I will still get the lomi machine but I'll just use it to file down my trash
It’s an energy intensive process just to get the water out of the food waste, plus the ongoing expense and landfill waste of constant odor filter replacement, seems like an expensive and not very environmentally friendly way of trying to reduce some kind of waste that already has an environmentally sound solution.
@@SchwaAlien 👍👍👍
@@SchwaAlien Read their comment again.
Vitamix recommends 10% and adding it to established plants I would never use it for a seed starter.
...because it’s not compost, and thankfully they don’t attempt to claim that it is, but the other ones make the fraudulent claim.
Thanks!
This was a very interesting video.
Although I would love to see the same with basic outside dirt instead of your special growing mix, I don't want to buy something special and I'm interested in seeing if this improve the actual soil that's in tired garden's soil as would be actual compost...
Most efficient method to reuse kitchen scraps is laying hens and worms. I hate seeing this lomi ad, absolutely disgusting.
This isn't a Lomi though. Lomi has a specific mode for making planting rdy compost. I'm not claiming that it works but I would like to see this test recreated with it.
These machines do have limited usefulness. I would always take my kitchen scraps, run them through a chipper to increase the surface area and the rate at which they can be composted, and throw them in my compost bin. However that is somewhat laborious and messy for our relatively small working space. And because of that, food scraps tend to pile up and sit for a while between periods where I can process them. I got the Vitamix FoodCycler and it basically just replaces the step of me running my scraps through the chipper, and it's convenient to do more often.
And the key is: the end result still goes in the compost bin with everything else. I appreciate Vitamix for NOT claiming to be a composter, the word compost cannot even be found in the manual or on their website. (Although their marketing that it turns food scraps into 'fertilizer' is questionable, and as incomplete). Their manual does say that to be use the dehydrated food product as fertilizer it should be 1-4 weeks before planting. As you've brought out, that still doesn't quite tell the whole story. But I feel that if you understand the principles of composting, it can augment your composting process depending on your use case. Is that worth $500 to accomplish that? I'd say no, I only have one because I found it on offerup for half the price new. Using an old blender or garbage disposal may accomplish the same thing minus dehydration, just messier.
But in any event, it is definitely wrong for any of these products to advertise themselves as "composters", the end result will always need it's own composting.
I love my lomi. But I put my stuff out in a couple places in my raised bed never in my plants. I just can see putting all my stuff in the trash
I spread all my white news paper envelopes. And such. It has saved my trash bags lol
Shread
I have been composting off and on for over 40 years in a normal pile outside so I was extremely sceptical when they called dehydrated and chopped waste compost, it isn't that isn't the way things work.
ROFLMAO -- I posted information about this on a site. And someone from Lomi responded that when in Growth Mode the Lomi Dirt produced should be mixed 1 part Lomit Dirt to 10 parts Natural dirt or soil. And then THAT should be used on plants in the home and in the garden. That is .. wow .. so stupid to make this worthless.
I have yet to buy a bag for it or change the filter I clean it with a little brush and only run it when full which is once a week. I’m disabled so burying my food waste for me isn’t feasible so I use this and then just toss it out on my grass or plants. My dog likes the smell of it and actually eats a lot of it I’ve noticed. The smell usually is of roasted veggies 🥕 i don’t like the price point and know real composting would be better but since I’m disabled and can’t always go outside in my wheelchair nor can I dig a compost heap this is what I use. I wish I could put a solar adapter to make it run more efficiently
Raising your carbon footprint in order to compost food seems crazy to me.
I was gifted one of these and interested to see if it can be used in some way now that I have it in my kitchen. What’s the difference keeping the flakes over fall and winter to spread around the garden in spring versus spreading them right away? Is it that you’re not recommending this gadget specifically for houseplants? Any tips for how this item could be useful, now that I have it, are welcome. :)
I’m really curious about that as well. I have one and want to know the best way to use it in the garden.
@@najety17 I discovered if I run the same scraps twice the product is much more like dirt, less like dehydrated food shards. I’m sure this depends on what foods are put in, but maybe that trick will help you too!
No difference. You might as well spread them as soon as you get them.