The Iron Curtain (1983)

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  • A documentary about the current status of 'behind the iron curtain' countries, a description of the history of cooperation and discord that surrounds the curtain, the Berlin Wall, and divided Germany.
    Produced by AFTI.
    #iron_curtain
    #history
    #1980s
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  • @stephen918
    @stephen918 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This is one of the best documentaries I have ever seen.

  • @whya2ndaccount
    @whya2ndaccount 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As someone who stood a post in BAOR in the late 80's, and looked daily at East German troops across the Inner German border, thank you for reminding people as to how it was.

  • @ryanhall7827
    @ryanhall7827 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    as someone born in the 90's its your doing a public service my history teachers never had the time or resources to do thank you for all that you do for history

  • @christopherx7428
    @christopherx7428 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Things have indeed improved: Not long ago I was out hiking and happened to pass a sign "Here was the internal German border". 100 m or so later I passed the crumbling remains of a watchtower but that is all there was left...

  • @ilokivi
    @ilokivi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you for the footage of Finnish-Soviet barter trade, a rare example of economic co-operation documented still more rarely. As a practical example of what was pejoratively referred to as 'Finlandisation' whereby Finland took precautions to make sure that the USSR had no cause to complain, the attention to detail enabled people to be productive who would otherwise have struggled to find work in Finland. In the context of developments since 1991 and 2022 in the Russian Federation while Finland joined the EU in 1995 and NATO in 2023, it may be that neighbours are still further apart.

  • @Yuhon100
    @Yuhon100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    During the 1980's when I grew up it was East and West Germany until it became united Germany in the 1990's.

    • @benwherlock9869
      @benwherlock9869 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I went to West Germany on a school trip in 1987. Visiting 'West Germany' will hopefully be something that no person will ever be able to do again.

  • @brucedanton3669
    @brucedanton3669 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for this, it is most interesting all round.

    • @brucedanton3669
      @brucedanton3669 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And so of course, the Iron Curtain was at last to disappear in 1989, although no-one knew that at the time this was filmed in 1983 of course. The two Germanies were re-united and people were free to cross at long last too. Thank you!!

  • @irisgardener4141
    @irisgardener4141 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Thank you so much for sharing this. It's fascinating.

  • @balintfazekas7295
    @balintfazekas7295 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    at 13:51 the man is speaking hungarian, not czech. "Rozi, haló, gyere ide." Rosie, hey, come here!

  • @BB-kt5eb
    @BB-kt5eb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I love it how it’s 1983 and the Germans are still wearing bell-bottom jeans and wide collar shirts from the early 1970’s and late 1960’s.

    • @Ingsoc75
      @Ingsoc75 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      They keep mentioning détente so I think this was filmed in 1978 or 1979. Détente was dead after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in December 1979 and tensions were very high in 1983.

    • @BB-kt5eb
      @BB-kt5eb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Ingsoc75
      That’s still behind the times because bell bottoms and wide collar shirts went out of style around 1976 in the west.

    • @Fritha71
      @Fritha71 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@BB-kt5eb Not true, watch soap opera episodes of something like Dallas in the late 70s and this was still very much the style back then, as it certainly was here in Western Europe. The more hip teens might have already adopted narrower pants by 1979 but largely people still continued with the 70s fashion up until 1982 or so.

    • @BB-kt5eb
      @BB-kt5eb ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Fritha71
      Many people still wore a lot of that stuff in the late 70’s, but it was on its way out and by 1983, no one was wearing that stuff anymore.

    • @sharonrigs7999
      @sharonrigs7999 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@Fritha71 Disco was king in the late 70's, bell bottoms were still very common

  • @williammontroy9024
    @williammontroy9024 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow one I hadn’t seen yet how cool!

  • @fratercontenduntocculta8161
    @fratercontenduntocculta8161 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Hopefully this will happen again in Korea. I'm so happy being old enough to remember this part of history, and best of all it's over.

    • @fresatx
      @fresatx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      South Korea would go bankrupt just bringing NK into last century.

    • @siberiancajun
      @siberiancajun 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not if we let them pull this in the West.

    • @redsamson5185
      @redsamson5185 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it doesn’t need to happen again in korea. china is the “middle kingdom,” and can help them.

  • @rikutaskinen5432
    @rikutaskinen5432 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Something from Finland as well.....nice dokument.

  • @brucedanton3669
    @brucedanton3669 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I wonder where these people are now, if they are around of course? Also, I wonder what the views of these border crossings are like now then compared to then? Thank you!

  • @siberiancajun
    @siberiancajun 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This was great. My best friend grew up bitterly in the Soviet Union and now has to witness people advocating this form of government in America.

    • @ottosaxo
      @ottosaxo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The web of lies didn't win back then, and I don't think it will succeed now. In fact, now we don't have Marxism-Leninism anymore, but Trumpism-Putinism instead.

    • @thornil2231
      @thornil2231 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Another "victim" preaching anti-communism. I know that kind.

    • @mathisnotforthefaintofheart
      @mathisnotforthefaintofheart 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The US is a gigantic socialist paradise for the ultra wealthy. So it depends through which lens you want to judge. Nobody in the US is advocating for a Soviet style system. In fact, most people don't even know what Socialism or Communism is.

  • @Eddybarrett84
    @Eddybarrett84 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    People in the USSR/Russia vote with THERE FEET,(leaving country,)

  • @marshalltravis3217
    @marshalltravis3217 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Was there in the 80’s. What a great time

  • @frontier_conflict
    @frontier_conflict 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Looking at the comment section I think nostalgia has taken over in some cases. People forget how many thousands were killed trying to escape the east

  • @K.Marx48
    @K.Marx48 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    good old days

    • @agustinenzoa4447
      @agustinenzoa4447 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      if you lived in the West it sure was!!

    • @K.Marx48
      @K.Marx48 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@agustinenzoa4447 that depends if you cared about jeans, porn and giant shopping malls, then yes.

    • @Chris-ll3pq
      @Chris-ll3pq ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@K.Marx48 or if you care about freedom at all.

    • @siberiancajun
      @siberiancajun 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No one in the West forces us to look at porn or spend extravagantly. Why not discipline yourself instead of allowing the government to shield you from yourself?

    • @avigdonable
      @avigdonable 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      maybe it was no food or clothing, there were more than plenty of lenins.

  • @samoanjake88
    @samoanjake88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What year was this made?

    • @ivobar
      @ivobar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      1983

    • @Orvieta
      @Orvieta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@ivobar Must be a bit earlier, as in 1983 there was no Détente anymore but a new armsrace. It more looks like 1978/79.

    • @ivobar
      @ivobar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Orvieta okay, thanks for the information

    • @dionlindsay2
      @dionlindsay2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      At 30:48 there's a blurred four digit year, and I'm pretty sure the 3rd digit is 8. Just before it fades, it clarifies a bit, and the 4th digit looks like a 0

    • @Fritha71
      @Fritha71 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      They mention our president in Finland being Kekkonen and he stepped down in 1981 due to illness so this was made at least before 1982.

  • @sharonrigs7999
    @sharonrigs7999 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    7:28 Harry Potter and the Guardians of Democracy?

  • @Hongaars1969
    @Hongaars1969 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    An iron curtain to keep its people in…its as simple as that…growing up during the Cold War I never imagined these structures, and that communisms would fall. NEVER forget

    • @Quickxphos
      @Quickxphos 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Communism didn’t fall, just communism in Europe

  • @tropicalpalmtree
    @tropicalpalmtree 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I've argued with people who genuinely believe that East Germany was this social haven of happiness and equality.

    • @ivobar
      @ivobar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      thats why they had to build all those walls amirite

    • @agustinenzoa4447
      @agustinenzoa4447 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      tell them to move to cuba, venezuela or N Korea with and make due with a local avarage salary!!!

    • @galloclaudio6777
      @galloclaudio6777 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      La mayoría de las personas que vivieron esa época te lo van a decir!!!
      Y no por eso vas invalidar lo que dicen, lógicamente tendrían sus razones!!!
      La mayoría argumentan la seguridad que tenían, tanto en salud, como en educación, como en lo laboral!!!
      Lo político no invalida esas cosas, y como cada sistema ideológico tiene sus pro y sus contras!!!
      Se apoyaban mucho en la vida social, en el compañerismo, en la igualdad!!!
      No en el racismo!!!
      Las mujeres verdaderamente eran tratadas de igual manera que los hombres y de hecho trabajan en fábricas de acuerdo a su capacidad y no por cupos, y no por pertenecer a un movimiento feminista, o por militar la ley de aborto, o por la ideología de género que proponen!!!
      En fin, era otra sociedad!!!!
      Repito cada ideología tiene sus PRO y sus CONTRAS!!!
      Y una cosa no invalida la otra!!!
      En Cuba no hay comunismo, es más nunca lo hubo, en Cuba como en toda América Latina hay POPULISMOS!!!!
      Y nada tiene que ver una cosa con la otra!!!

  • @kefahatumi9095
    @kefahatumi9095 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    who is the Romanian guy?

  • @kevincole1
    @kevincole1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I was born in russia in the early 90s and am always nostalgic about these times.. Especially since my fam moved out to Canada in 2000.. We are very wealthy in Canada now, especially my dad. Owns many houses in Vancouver. However, he is much less happy than he was growing up poor in the beautiful USSR.

    • @SnarkyRC
      @SnarkyRC ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I miss the USSR in the 80s. I enjoyed life more back then.

    • @StayBasedJesus
      @StayBasedJesus ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@SnarkyRC yea like my family to in Bulgaria during soviet times, they think money is everything

    • @agustinenzoa4447
      @agustinenzoa4447 ปีที่แล้ว

      I´ve never heard of anyone risking being shot, jumping the wall/fence to go East !!!
      Absolutely all of them risked it all to go West towards freedom.
      You romantic nostalgic people of the CCCP should move to Russia NOW!! And even better volunteer to fight in Ukraine!

    • @agustinenzoa4447
      @agustinenzoa4447 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Go live there BUT with a standard russian salary.
      Or give Cuba a chance since its coloser, and make due with 1.5usd a day! Kiss in the forehead.

    • @StayBasedJesus
      @StayBasedJesus ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@agustinenzoa4447 But everything is muchhhh more cheaper so no problemo.
      And at least in those country they are not poor on Traditions, Culture, Principles, History, Religon and something West don’t have Honor !
      Only money , no thank you .

  • @aaronwilkinson8963
    @aaronwilkinson8963 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    USSR was a giant prison.

    • @StayBasedJesus
      @StayBasedJesus ปีที่แล้ว +12

      USSR was a physical prison , US is a mental Prison
      Both Illusions of freedom , but at least one system had the goal to accomplish something good but the idea did not succeed

    • @aaronwilkinson8963
      @aaronwilkinson8963 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@StayBasedJesus I think the mental chains are breaking in the US. It freaks the government out as they are losing control of the population. The US is in itself starting to show aspects of the soviet Union. There's a kind of Maoist cultural revolution going on where insanity has become a virtue. The FBI might become the NKVD. The people in the US government are enfeebled snobs where they mess every thing up

    • @StayBasedJesus
      @StayBasedJesus ปีที่แล้ว

      @@aaronwilkinson8963 yea I’m in favor of communism or at least some aspect of it but have to say , I did favor Trump more then the other globalist who are in power Right now. These people just lies and hides under mask after mask l, they act like they care for human rights ..
      Trump did not invade and interfere in our countries ( for now at least) and did not promote sick behavior like these pride organizations.
      In communist Bulgaria , they would be able to have Pride Parades
      In mental hospitals 🏥

    • @Chris-ll3pq
      @Chris-ll3pq ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@StayBasedJesus USSR was also a mental prison, like Russia. And the good intentions in the USSR? which where the means to reach them? a gulag system? dictatorship? censorship? no freedom of movement inside or aoutside the USSR? no independent journalism? Sure, I guess the hell is surely made of good intentions.

    • @redsamson5185
      @redsamson5185 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the 21st century has a new leader in socialism of all countries. the people’s republic of china.

  • @kirstyburden9262
    @kirstyburden9262 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The real terrible days in Berlin in the east which we must never forget.

  • @johnbecker5213
    @johnbecker5213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    they are really backwards!!!!!!

  • @trevorhebert5297
    @trevorhebert5297 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Wasn't this what Donald Trump was going to build?

    • @ivobar
      @ivobar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      to keep people out of the country... not INSIDE the country - big difference 😉

    • @Lionfish5656
      @Lionfish5656 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ivobar, I.E restricting the movement of P.o.C, not white people.

    • @markhall6306
      @markhall6306 ปีที่แล้ว

      Democrats want build a wall around New York City

    • @homesteadingtennesseeriver569
      @homesteadingtennesseeriver569 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ivobar yeah right you keep on believing that

    • @ivobar
      @ivobar ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@homesteadingtennesseeriver569 who is it meant to keep inside then?

  • @keithrowell2951
    @keithrowell2951 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wad in the Army in 76 to 79. Was there in 77 2nd Armor 1st cav.out of FT Hood TX