how hyuna used feminism to her advantage
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yubincults made this joke before but I’ll say it again here: Hyuna really said “I’m not cool” and meant it
I think it was yubincults who made that joke
@@HectorH-M Thanks for letting me know :)
A lot of Hyuna haters in the comments I hope y'all don't bash her kids cause that will be really messed up. I still support Hyuna regardless like I am not gonna hate on a grown I repeat a grown Asian woman for marrying her love of her life cause y'all keep on hating her sounds like y'all the problem as the words of Mariah Carey why u so obsessed with me.
@@norabeckwith6893 More power to you, but she could’ve dated anyone else. Instead she chose to be with a rape apologist.
@@namphuongnguyen8569you wish
poor dawn put everything on the line to be with this girl just to be replaced by someone who goes against everything she preached.
If you want to support him, it seems like he’s gearing up for some sort of release (even though he’s in the military) so keep an eye out!
I don't know what to think...
Actually i think dawn is the only one who got advantage in this relationship
hes a grown man.. he knew what he was getting himself into.
@@NEWBOTANICAsure,but he was younger and just started his career not that long ago, there was definitely a power imbalance and he could still be tricked and manipulated
update: hyuna was supposed to go on tour and it was cancelled, like deadass insufficient funds, you aint GOT no money
Who would go see her tho?? 😂
I saw from another channel that it's due to low ticket sales 😂😂😂😂. And she was in a lineup for a popular Korean event and the crowd was not vibing with her. Girlie isn't doing well
@@HarrietWanjau as that crowd should!!
@@matildocas3010 girl really fumbled big time. And the way Dawn was smitten with her. He was providing her with everything even when he wasn't all that famous and had money but she just had to go ahead and mess it up
@HarrietWanjau exactly bro. He LITERALLY LEFT EVERYTHING for that girl just to years later she mess things up
This shotgun wedding makes me wonder if she’s having a child with this man..
that would be a plot twist
Even if she was are you gonna hate the child too
@@norabeckwith9154 definitely not - doesn’t make sense to hate an innocent child
@@norabeckwith9154 that would be too much. as awful as hyuna and her little loverboy are, a child wouldn't ask to be born from such parents.
@@norabeckwith9154 hyuna defenders not thinking what else is new
The way the ai is saying hyuna as hyena suits her very well😂😂
And I am hearing it with Wonwoo's voice from the god of light music episode 😭 (going seventeen)
It's more likely to sound HyuNAH!
@@TripleS474oh yeahh
the robot voice... ahaha
@@opinionated34WONWOO & SVT MENTIONEDDD? 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Hyuna was never and will never be a feminist. Being comfortable with your sexuality and being a feminist is two different things.
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Watching the burning sun scandal video and seeing sulli and goo hara being brought up... Women who were true feminists and lost their life because they were fighting for actual equality Hyuna profits off of the image and is celebrated worldwide for it... it leaves such a bad taste in my mouth.
R.I.P. to those angels. They didn't fight for their rights to be human for this bullshit to happen.
Oh please, she made plenty of statements including the ones where she felt so sorry for the sexualized underage K-POP idols. She definitely used the image.
@@inferiorinferno8859 please don’t reduce feminism to just making statements. If she didn’t take the time to actually make a change or at least help. She’s not a feminist. She’s all talk and no action.
she didn't say she is a feminist but she wore shirts that said ‘we all should be feminist’, no matter how much you try to include the narrative that she never said she was a feminist, 1 it doesn't matter, being with that person is still wrong, and 2 she was in many companies and could do whatever she wanted, tell me, do you think if she wasn't comfortable with the sexy concept she could have changed it? in cube maybe not, but in p nation definitely, so what makes you think she wasn't comfortable with the feminist label that all of korea put on her? if she didn't identify with a movement she definitely would have said so, or done things to change it.
I thought one of the main reasons why she and Dawn broke up was because she didn't want to get married, but now she wants to? 💀
it's so weirddd
It was because Hyuna didn’t want kids but Dawn wanted them. They were engaged
The taxi cab theory 👁👄👁
She wanted to, apparently not just with him
One argument that gets brought up is how “fans projected this feminist image onto her” which is true, but she went ahead and continued to use it even in songs where she had full control over the lyrics.
If you’re going to allow yourself to be branded as something, regardless of whether you’ve proclaimed yourself as a feminist or anything, then you have a duty to uphold that through your actions.
It’s like if Soyeon, the idol who wrote songs like NXDE and Queencard and Super Lady, did the exact same thing.
It’s cruel, disgusting and fans have the right to feel disappointed and betrayed.
While I understand what you are saying, at the end of the day Kpop is a business and idols are going to do or be forced to do what makes money regardless of what they actually feel, so the idea that she somehow personally betrayed fans who played into this marketing is not true. The way I see it, if you would date someone like him you are a bad person and thus deserve each other. Hyuna didn't betray anyone she played her fans to make money
I totally agree and although she may never directly say ‘I am a feminist’, she has pictures with a t-shirt that says ‘we should all be feminists’.
I partly agree, but hyuna has been in many companies, if she didn't feel comfortable with her sexy concept or the feminist image people had of her, she would have changed it, I don't think p nation would have stopped her.
@@hyuncuteAssuming that Hyuna is a feminist just because her concept is sexy and she wore a t-shirt with a phrase that had the word feminism on it, is from ignorant and naive people. If you were a true feminists you would not classify anyone as a feminist just because of what they say and what how they look. Feminism is deeper than that, and if you were deceived by the market it is only because you have not dedicated to properly educate yourself about the movement. The market is full of companies that use social movements to make easy profits from the ignorant, and it is your responsibility as a consumer to educate yourself properly and not support a company or person just because of an image and pretty words. Believing that Hyuna was a feminist is as stupid as believing that all groups that make songs with a girl crush concept are. Your fav is not feminist, and it is not your right to attribute that label to them and, moreover, to help them promote themselves that way because you only contribute to misinformation and bad practice by companies.
I understand that Hyuna is criticized for her new marriage, but for not being the feminist that YOU naively believed she was, no. Instead of criticizing her for that stupidity, you all should go to educate yourself about feminism and stops becoming a follower of others just because they claim to be your allies, learn to be a critical consumer.
@@hyuncuteAssuming that Hyuna is a feminist just because her concept is sexy and she wore a t-shirt with a phrase that had the word feminism on it, is ignorant and naive. If you were a true feminists you would not classify anyone as a feminist just because of what they say and what they wear. Feminism is deeper than that, and if you were deceived by the market it is only because you have not dedicated to properly educating yourself about the movement.
The romance with yong junhyung wouldn’t have had as much backlash as it did if he wasn’t involved in the burning sun scandal, the facts make sense, they’ve known each other for a long time so their romance kind of makes sense, but he’s also the ex of Goo Hara who was Hyuna’s friend who tragically took her own life and he was also an accomplice to the biggest sex trafficking scandal in Korean history, like that’s just a slap in the face to her dead friend and to all of the people who idolized her as a feminist, she used and abused her image and now that shes lost a lot of fans she’s paid the price.
tbh i couldn't help but feel happy for the fact fans boycotted her north america tour so badly she needed to cancel it altogether bc it was barely selling tickets. serves her right
She dating him not long after breakup with Dawn just like that and quickly announce marriage. That is just crazy because why she with Dawn in the first place when she looks like waiting for that junhyung? Maybe when she was dating Dawn, Junhyung didn't like her in the first place and when suddenly he accepted her, she ended her relationship with Dawn. That Junyung was her best friend ex-boyfriend 🤷🏻♀️. So what kind of person is she? She a wild girl, and that Junhyung no different either considering his scandal. She ruined her image. Dawn much better without her. Looks like she used him. And Junghyung+Hyuna, what a pair, yes they suit each other considering their personality. But for their image, they just ruined it themselves.
@@LYleezI’ve been seeing many say she’s gotten pregnant and that’s why they’re rushing to get married but who knows? It’s just a slap to goo hara who fought so hard to expose everyone involved in burning sun and for her so called bff to date no only her ex but one of the people who she was hoping would get reprimanded. How low does one get to ignore what one’s best friend went through and just date the man
The only person who I feel bad for is Dawn( Hyojong), he was so talented and very funny. And I was sad when he left pentagon for this girl who has been a idol longer than him. I'm glad he's doing well as a solo artist, hopefully he's still friends with his former groupmates.
so sad... ✨
@@hyuncute I hope hyojong is okay now, just wishing him well
Is it too much to hope to see him interact with pentagon at all 😭 miss him and hui tgt
@@cosmari245 very true
I’m tired of the narrative that Pentagon needed Dawn or that he was what made the group special. It wasn’t Dawn’s absence that hurt the group (although he did bring a unique vocal color and attitude) so much as the controversy itself. First of all, Cube officially dropped HyunA and Dawn _just_ before Pentagon’s comeback, which affected the public perception of the comeback, and as a result they lost momentum. The song was also clearly meant to be a Dawn-centered song, which made his absence glaringly obvious.
Second, Hui and Yuto also had dating scandals around the same time as HyunA and Dawn, again harming the group’s reputation especially among fangirls.
Third, Cube just kept mishandling Pentagon and getting in the way of future success. They kept Yanan on hiatus seemingly because he was still hanging out with Dawn (and later because of health issues) and the group seemed unstable because of it.
Fourth, after Pentagon lost popularity because of the scandal & mismanagement, 4th gen groups were starting to pop up and make new waves in the k-pop space, making it infinitely harder for Pentagon to stay relevant.
Sorry for the rant, but I’m tired of them being dragged into the conversation.
From my perspective, not having been a fan of pentagon, what was seen from the outside is that Dawn was the most popular of the group and shine was HIS song, he starts the song and sings the first chorus, very important parts, that's why people started to put pentagon on their radar, and especially Dawn. Obviously cube could have handled it better, but at that time the way I feel, Dawn was THE key to pentagon's success, obviously the whole Hui group with their songs, Wooseok and Yuto I seem to remember were also very popular, but him leaving was the first step for people to start turning their backs on the group, or at least that's how I see it and lived it.
@@hyuncute It’s true that Dawn was the star of Shine, and that him leaving made a lot of his fans lose interest in Pentagon. But what I’m trying to get at is it’s untrue (and unfair to the nine other members) to say that Dawn was the key to their success. Lest we forget, Shine wouldn’t even exist without Hui, and the song wouldn’t be what it is without Dawn’s _and_ Wooseok’s _and_ Yuto’s contributions.
The whole of Pentagon are strong performers, many are excellent songwriters, and they have some powerhouse vocals. All of those aspects go into what made ptg successful, not just Dawn’s special sauce. That isn’t to say that I wish to minimize Dawn’s contribution to the group. But even with the scandal, Dawn leaving, and Cube’s mismanagement, Pentagon managed to maintain a steady fan base and make great music. It’s overly simplistic to pin their successes and failures on Dawn. Yes, he made an impact. Yes, his exit affected the group’s trajectory. No, their success and failure is not on Dawn’s shoulders. He was a _part_ of their success & popularity, but not the sole reason. I think a lot more importance has been placed upon him in retrospect because of how big the dating scandal was.
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Yess exactly and as a universe seeing people say that hurts.
Like they’re very underrated and mismanaged, but every one of the members brings something to the table. Dawn leaving of course was important to the group, but they’ve carrried on making good music. It’s sad to see them not be as popular as they could’ve been had the scandal not been as huge as it was.
I think it's just easier to word it that way for most people but this is so true, however what pentagon DID need was to keep up the momentum after releasing such a big hit and that was pretty much stopped in its tracks by the controversy so it ends up highly associated with dawn :( which is really sad. What's sadder also is that this honestly could've been pretty salvagable if cube didn't handle the situation so poorly it made the whole thing look worse even if they were rightfully not ok with what hyunA did
Forget feminism, I don't expect idols to be feminist but being in a relationship with a guy who did not report SA even when he knew about it.
Its an absolute no for me! I am just glad that dawn is safe from all this and can now focus on his work.
totally agree
I'm against Hyuna for multiple reasons,
She undressed Dawn without his consent, he told her he didn't wanna take his shirt off like she did but she manipulated the situation and made it look like he consented and had the back-up dancers take his shirt off, she starts dating a waste of oxygen who enjoyed watching women and girls be harmed while drugged and he called it "not a big deal", she defended her disgusting boyfriend, acted extremely arrogant when she said she "doesn't care what the public thinks of her she just wants to be happy with her boyfriend" and now she's marrying him?? Wasn't she like "I'm not ready to get married I don't want that" with Dawn she had been with for many years but only a few months into dating that poor excuse of a human she's happy to get married??
For the people saying "she's an adult", yes and that just makes it worse, and adult like her would be able to see right from wrong and actively make decisions she understands BECAUSE she's an adult, she is actively choosing to marry an evil man who made the excuse "I didn't think it was a big deal at the time" as to why he did not report all the vile things that was happening
wow I didn't know most of these things... incredible 😔
Yes and are still defending her like and acting like she’s vulnerable naive person like no she’s not this WOMAN is literally in her 30’s!!
she finally showed her true colours, queen of fakery.
so sad
Thank you for pointing out HyunA used the image. As a victim of SA that became a fan of HyunA in my healing journey precisely because she always seemed in control of her sex appeal and used the female empowerment image, some of the comments in semi-defense of her feel like victim blaming me as an ex-fan for feeling that way about her. I feel so sorry for Dawn too as the power imbalance and how she seems to take advantage of him to this day like following him to their new label makes me so upset on his behalf, as wel as her getting married when she seemed to have broken off with Dawn because she didn't wanted to get married to him feel like another instance of her trying to slap him across the face. I can't believe I ever shipped them. I wish Dawn the best!
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tbh the marriage thing seems so off, it's like when someone breaks up with you bc "they aren't ready for commitment" and then they appear dating someone else seriously not long after. sounds like she's trying to imply dawn wasn't "good enough for her to want to marry him", even though he literally went and started over his career for her. yikes. good riddance for him, i hope he finds someone that actually values him
💕😍GURL DAWN SUCKS💕😍
Personally, I think what also made people admire Hyuna so much before her current relationship is the fact that she has an alternative personal style (idk how to describe it but maybe sexy kitsch?) that subverts the norm of what you not only see other kpop idols have in their personal closets but also how South Korea's conformist and conservative society expects people to present themselves physically.
she changed...
She didn't just know Goo Hara but they were extremely close at some time
that's even sadder
there's no proof of that tho. but yes they were friends at some point
i've never thought of hyuna as a feminist, but your video really helped me understand the situation
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It’s giving the Katy Perry of K-pop
ahahah what a comparison! but kind of accurate
why?
@@exomk5319 Katy perry new song intitled "a woman's world" was produced by a male producer who SAed Kesha
@@monicoreheart "SA" another example of society turning backwards with people infantilizing themselves it's "sexual assault" censoring it can only worsen the problem it's equally as wrong as blaming victims for wearing revealing clothes or staying out too late at night
The fact she goin to marry that man after an year but couldn’t do that with being with dawn over 5+ years is soo weird for her to do like she really wasted dawn time fr
why would she do that?? like?
Jennie is doing the same thing by making songs with Zico and collaborating with Edison Chen, but you won't see anyone talking about that. Feminism is fake in kpop.
Probably because no one really sees Jennie as a feminism imo. Tbh you cannot be an idol and feminist in Korea unless you want extreme backlash
@@kkentaii I disagree. From what I've seen Jennie is very much associated with feminism. Feminism is a large driving point for Blinks.
@@MuffenPopBecause Blinks have NO CLUE about what feminism is.
Exactly. At the end of the day pretty much all these kpop people just do what they wanna do cz they know deep down that some deranged community somewhere will be there to support them no matter what... sick and twisted... most kpop artists are shallow like that. The genuine ones are quite rare..
feminism is fake everywhere.... people just need something to mask their hatred towards men
i saw the thumbnail and came straight here what the FUCK do you mean they are getting married? this girl is a sick joke at this point i can't believe this.
I felt the same way when I saw it, to me they've been dating for such a short time that even if we were talking about ordinary people without any scandal it would still seem weird... but let them do what they want with their lives I guess.
Rest in peace Goo Hara. She was an icon, and Hyuna is really disappointing. I feel disgusted seeing her hugging Hara.
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As another comment mentioned about Pentagon I think people really misunderstand Korean fandoms. One major thing that makes people turn away from a group are controversies. Even with great music, talent and effort it was very hard to recover from such a long and big controversy as it was 2018. And still they did recover actually starting to win music shows after Shine selling more and more again. It might not have been viral hits after Shine but a organic and sustainable growth in sales and streams comparatively good to the other male groups in the same debut year. However after Cube now in the last 3 years did a big failure in investment into the metaverse they lost an extreme amount of money which led to a big halt of promotions of almost all of their artist besides G-Idle and over working them since they bring the most money for the least effort that Cube currently puts in because of the lack of money. Its no wonder in the last 9 month more than a dozen artists left the company since everyone knows the bankruptcy is on the horizon. This again forced Pentagon in a long hiatus after a stable growth till 2022 before.
what happened to that group is sad
@@DianaOsazenaye I mean there a lots of good things. A good amount of them are out of Cube and promoting their solo career in the meantime always saying they wanna reunite again. Its more a waiting game till everyone is out of Cube. I don't think they are done yet at all. Its worth paying attention to them now and later but I see the general kpop community rather just focussing on what happened in 2018 and being sad about it without actually look or supporting them now especially when they are free from Cube and they wouldn't even support this company anymore stanning them.
it's so sad...
So you are basically saying... not only did she ruin Dawn's life but all the other members of Pentagon as well
@moonlight_latte157 Not really. I am currently saying the public and fandoms in general have no patience for any issues, so they avoid or even tear down groups. That happened back then too, when as a result of an already existing controversy, people started to make up lies and rumors about other members. The problem is how agency and public treats issues. Furthermore I highlighted how they actually successfully still overcame the setback but then suffered from the company's bankruptcy that was triggered by a metaverse misinvestment.
Is it just me or dawn looked so sickly and deathly when he was with hyuna because hyuna has bene known for her weight loss and stuff but dawn was so healthy in pentagon but with hyuna he looked so dead
I don't know if it was his aesthetics or what but he did look a bit haggard, just like hyuna, they seemed to follow that look
@@hyuncute yeahhh I don't know it it was aesthetic purposes but you know how kpop is with weight and hyuna has been very very skinny since 4minute so maybe it was a bit of both but who am I to talk about someone's body. If they're both healthy now that's better but what she did to dawn is unforgivable
dawn has narcolepsy which is why he always looks tired and sick. but i honestly wouldn't count out bad dieting too.
I'm so devastated for Dawn :(
sad :(((((
The fact that people are saying that she shouldn’t receive criticism bc she can end her life and we’re comparing her criticism with the horrendous hate sulli and goo hara got like how low can you be these ppl need to stop glazing bffr💀
Sulli dated Choiza who was 14 years older than her despite being a huge advocate for feminism she went braless in public and supported abortion all of this is a sign of hypocrisy
I hate people bringing up this argument, everytime I see someone posting something like this i want to go to their profile and comment them something like "how can u say you don't like this song, then we are all surprised when idols take their own lifes..." like??? can't hey take criticism or what??
@@hyuncuteexactly and now she’s getting even more exposed she’s a literal pervert and said she would get with a minor girly you needa make a part two of her atp
I wouldn’t say goo hara helped the victims day and night, she convinced her friend to name the police chief that was covering for the burning sun crimes to a journalist. Still crucial to the investigation, just want you to be clearer with what happened. Also it’s not confirmed if junhyung was in the group chat, but he admitted to being sent a video privately. Again, still makes him a gross bystander, but people need to be clearer with how they explain this case.
by ‘she help them day and night’ i mean that her decision whether to keep quiet or not must have been on her mind for many weeks, in the end it is a hard thing to do to approach a journalist and offer your help in any scenario and more so if you know that there are people you love, like hara's "friends", who are involved. and whether he was just in the group chat or not, i don't know and it doesn't matter, he was shown videos, and that is disgusting.
@@hyuncuteYou might have to provide some proof on how you came to that day and night conclusion, because your explanation confuses me even more. This isn’t to say your opinion is wrong on anything, it’s just criticism on how you can present this case more clearly. Some viewers might not be educated about the burning sun case, so the way you present it might cause more fans to spread misinformation or misunderstanding. It’s better for people to judge junhyun on what he actually did than for him to be able claim he’s being slandered. Claiming that you don’t care about the details does make you less credible if you’re going to include a topic this serious. If you don’t know how to explain it, then refer to coverage from the bbc doc or even Stephanie soo to help with your points.
hara did help, so I don't understand your confusion
@@hyuncute I haven’t heard anything about how much hara knew for how long before she spoke to the journalist. the way you explained it makes it sound like hara knew for weeks. I’m just not seeing where you got that from. From you nor have you provided a source for me to check that. I believe most of your video, but You have to understand that listing some claims in front of blurry idols dancing instead of evidence relating to that claim is kind of vague. If you were to show this video to someone who didn’t know anything about burning sun, they would just have to take your word for everything. discussing a legal matter isn’t the same as any other opinions video. Since you published a video informing people on this case, you ought to be able provide evidence that supports the information you present.
@@hyuncute i don't think you actually understand what this person is saying serious blunders like the one you made can cause someone to sue you for defamation. No one is saying they're disagreeing with your opinions but on such serious legal cases that can cause ruination it is very very important to be clear with the facts. This isn't a game you people should be very careful with how you spread information lest it can lead to slander.
i feel so bad for dawn... he really loved her and changed for her... i hope he can get someone that truly loves him
so sad 💖
honestly her only brand was her body, other than that she had nothing to offer. Her peak was over after Red era.
😅 agree, her voice is like an annoying chicknut 🐿️
i liked her songs... but it's true previous ones were much better
This is why you separate ideology from music, and personally, I don't like listening to anything "empowering" because you don't really know if a person stands for it or simply wants to make a living out of it. You can't serve two masters.
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Unfortunately in conservative countries the feminist movement is more about individualism and doing whatever the hell you want without consequence which is a major reason the movement hasn't gained as much traction as it did in the west. There is nothing in it's perception that indicates girls supporting girls, it about sticking it to the man and anyone who thinks you shouldn't do something because of your gender. Hence in the eyes of Hyuna what she did was not wrong and she is actively being a feminist by doing it because she is doing whatever the hell she wants. However as I said the feminism brand in the west is very different and this is an obviously non-feminist action. Not that I want to justify anything she did but she likely doesn't see it as a betrayal of her ideology/marketing and rather see's it as people trying to control her actions.
i think for her to be a feminist, is to do whatever you want without caring what people judge, on the one hand that's fine but that's relative, with clothes, you can wear whatever you want without anyone caring, makeup, or your aesthetics. but when we're talking about dating someone publicly, with all that that consists of, with someone who is not the best person in the world, and has indirectly participated in the suffering of victims, it's not right.
@@hyuncute agreed. It may be HyunA's choice, but as someone who's in the spotlight with so many fans that see her as a role model she should think first her decisions before jumping to it. Choices reflect people's personalities, ideas, and beliefs. 😒😒😒
Her dating someone who was watching videos of Burning Sun victims is a slap in the face to her friend Goo Hara.
so sad :(
You guys might say I’m lying when I say this but I never liked Hyuna. She always rubbed me the wrong way. Every time people called her a queen and hyped her up I would cringe. I found it a little annoying how in variety shows she would act like a child and pretend she was innocent when she always had a sexy concept. It always came off as fake to me because why is a grown woman acting like a little girl? Not saying that there aren’t people out there who are a little older and have a cute personality, but it just looked weird to me how she infantilized herself. So glad that her true colors are finally coming out. I wonder if I was the only one who felt this way about her?
so weird...
I'm gonna be that person. I never liked Hyuna even since her first debut. IMO she always had an image of a try-hard and attention seeker, also couldn't stand her voice post Wonder Girls. In my observations over the years, people like that would throw other women under a bus and try to fight for male validation/attention. People were so smitten by her bc attractiveness and her provcative image, and some people around thought I was just a hater. But like my hunch about Ariana Grande, I was right. Not a girl's girl.
And honestly people are so stupid when it comes to the definition of feminism that they will see a woman on stage and believe that's feminism. Do the work and educate yourselves on the basics of feminism so that way you won't be a blind sheep thinking a famous woman is the definition of feminism.
Want a cookie?😂
I guess wearing a t-shirt that says ‘we should all be feminists’ is not enough to be seen as one... interesting
@@hyuncuteno. It’s not. Anyone can put a shirt on.
THANK YOU!!!! People always called me a hater, because I’ve NEVER like Hyuna. She always came off as a try hard and her “sex appeal” felt sleazy and trashy. Some people are naturally sexy and charismatic. Hyuna is not one of those people. Her and her rape sympathizing boyfriend and both burn in hell. I have zero sympathy for people like them. I hope their careers crumble and that they never come back from it.
@@hyuncuteI mean that in itself only means that she may think or want to try to act as if she’s a feminist. But a tshirt alone is like ppl posting the black picture on insta for BLM back in 2020. Performative Justice. If that is enough to call or see someone a feminist, then these ppl don’t know what feminism is.
However her trying to stand up for a lot of misogynistic structures and systems and doing all these things that are taboos for especially women. That was, what made ppl think she is a feminist. In combo with shirts like this. But yeah obviously with the things coming out right now it’s clear she isn’t and never was one, and the good things she stood up for feel like a betrayal and slap in the face.
I’m not really in the picture with all these things and topics. But yeah poor Dawn. But also still f this system and these agencies.
Him having to leave pentagon and all that, was their fault. Not really hers, is it? But still going through with it and risking it, for her, that is what is sad. Bc she clearly was not the person you should risk these things for.
i really feel sorry for dawn, his risked everything to be w her and she dumped him like that for some nasty guy
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Just letting you guys know the criminals from the burning sun scandals are out and trying make carriers in different countries.
seungri in Cambodia. .. 😭
I think this situation made me realize how easy it is for someone to justify themselves and try to rewrite the narrative. Because I genuinely think that they are in love with each other but that the backlash is pushing them together more because then it’s a me against the world situation and hyuna saying that I don’t know how I always get caught in public dating someone when she had released her relationship status with both dawn and jun-hyung is very telling to me. I think she’s just chasing happiness where she can, and if she finds it in jun-hyung, fine, but to be willing to ignore the fact that he had some awareness of the kakao chats with the videos is something that morally is going to stain her image forever.
I feel bad for dawn, because he lost his position in pentagon and was just “hyuna’s partner” for a while there and I’m glad they broke up so that he could get some individuality again.
I guess it is love what hyuna feels because throwing away your whole career for something temporary, it would be too stupid and I also feel bad for dawn....
I've never heard Hyuna claiming to be a feminist. Those were fans portraying her as one because they think "women in bikini on stage" = feminism.
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I'm not supporting her anymore but it's weird to me how majority of people fail to see the real issue. She can both stand for feminist ideas, feel sorry to underraged idols and still go out with a terrible man. Idk about you but I've seen it happen with plenty of girls irl. When you have a messed up view on relationships, you tend to go out with terrible men and despise men that are nice to you.
It doesn't make it excusable or okay, but it's the reality of things. To me it is not linked to her ideas, it is linked to her own psychology and value of self worth.
Exactly. People are making this wayyy too easy on themselves, this is not a black and white issue. And to call her out for being anti feminist while dog piling on her for dating a guy who’s involved in a scandal that’s about the abuse of women while not sparing a thought about how she may be being treated based on what we know he was willing to support is just hypocritical. I bet you anything the people who’re loudest about this haven’t put one percent of the energy into the people actually responsible for the crimes
Right? Like it really makes me wonder what she's going through and what she's been through that would make her date someone like this. Not trying to say she deserves a pass or anything, but I think there's a lot more to this than we can see.
and people forget manipulation is a real thing. there is this thing called "love can blind you". even those who are deem good people can enter a very toxic relationship.
we can't take the blame away from her that "love is blinding her" because maybe it isn't and maybe she would do this in any situation.
@@hyuncute It is not about love, it is about how being surrounded by adults sexualizing you when you were a child (in her case fans, staff, producers etc) have impacts on who you want to be with. I know a friend in this case who dumped every guy who was nice to her just to go out with absolute trash bags..
Now ofc I don't know her personnaly but I'm just saying that most girls who're in relationships with abusers or moralled fd up men don't support their actions, they just have low self-esteem...
On instagram there are literally so many "Hyuna" hate clubs and tbh what Hyuna did was disgusting. I will always support Dawn because I low-key feel bad for him. Dawn didn't deserve this
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I keep hearing ‘not suitable for all audience’ and yet she is widely accepted by a lot of people. Why?
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Everytime I see his face my brain goes in a very very very dark place. Which might include many graphic things I can't mention here
that's so sad :((
I also feel like what makes it worse as someone who's been a fan of hers from the very beginning is how often she would also sit there and talk about wanting the industry to be better for younger girls.
She was one of the female idols alongside other ones like BoA or IU who was very publicly talk about how hard it was being an artist at such a young age and how their wasn't always the greatest things happening to and or around them and how they want it to be safer for younger female idols like she was one of the first idols to sit there and speak up about new jeans and be like she hopes that they're surrounded by a company and people who are looking out for them and have their best intentions in mind because she knew exactly what it was like to be at the age of like 14 15 and haveadults and people around you who only see you as nothing more than a product and dressing you and having you act however they want it even if you were underage so it's like very weird to go from sitting there and basically dying on that Hill cuz she got backlash for that for a while from some of her fans while other ones were totally here for speaking up cuz again she does this all the time to then dating this man and now getting married to him.
And personally I say I all of the other people who are still sitting there and publicly being friends with and supporting her in terms of the things that she's doing. Mainly because if there's something that I personally learned the 20 plus years of my existence on this planet is that birds of a feather flock together. You're not going to sit there and just continue supporting someone who's with someone who's done something horrendous unless it's something you can like overlook.
I like that one audio clip that's like consistently getting popular which is the whole I can excuse racism but I can't excuse and it's like ya see if you hang out with people like that who can excuse stuff like that then that means that you yourself most likely can't overlooked it you have no issue or problem with someone doing that and that's always scary and very dangerous because unless it's something that happens to them directly or to people that they genuinely care about they basically are saying oh yeah you know someone having revenge corn or being recorded being SA'd that's perfectly fine and the person who did it their forgivable.
Also must say I find people who are still fans of hers or try to make it seem less than it is or even people who are friends with her. Like play no need to look for years you don't just stop talking to someone or drop them because they do something horrible or their bystander yes the fuck you do. I have legit people in my family that I don't talk to and that I know the family shuns and don't talk to you because they might not have committed the crimes but they knew that their friends were doing I know people that I've been friends with since I was a little baby that I dropped like a hot potato as soon as I found out that they did something or stay with people who have done something horrendous. I had a friend that I literally grew up with our parents were best fucking friends we've known each other our entire lives 3 years ago I sat there and dropped the bitch like she never fucking existed because she chose to get into a relationship with a man who literally took advantage of a younger girl and committed a crime but because one he was never technically caught for doing it even though everyone in his neighborhood and everyone at the school that he went to knew that he 100% assaulted that woman she didn't care because that was her man and she was going to die on that Hill yeah I knew her for over a decade we literally have pictures of us when we were children taking baths together I dropped her faster than you can sit there and go PDF file.
I feel like that's never an excusethat doesn't make this any better. Not to mention I feel like at this point this woman has had ample time and she's had friends and people that we've seen semi publicly try to get her help for whatever problems or issues she might have and I also think it's telling me that her new fiance because I saw clips of her talking about their relationship she stated that he didn't even want to date her at first because he called her manipulative and said that he didn't know she was trying to manipulate him as in each other for years.
And this man who had no problem with being friends with literal rapists thought this woman was a manipulative bitch and didn't want to date her at first and then decided to. Like that spread a lot of things that she used to do into a whole new light cuz it's like if you have someone like him saying that you've always been manipulative and he wasn't sure if you wanted to date you or not because he knows your manipulative I feel like that says a lot about your character.plus the fact that she shared that as if that was like a cute little thing cuz I remember seeing that part like I said of the interview she did and she dead ass was like yeah he actually didn't want to date me at first I was going to pursued him he thought I was being manipulative he said that I am known to be manipulative she was like no I'm not and I'm like maybe he's on to something and you dating him just kind of showed that to the rest of the world what you really are like but you don't show.
I wish nothing but success and happiness for dawn cuz he dodged a bullet
i would pay to know what he thinks about all of this
I actually liked her, this is so tragic
Goo Hara deserved better…all the victims did
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It's so sad to see the downfall of so many idols I used to look up to. This has honestly made me take a loong break from following any like I used to at 17-18 years old. At 25 years old, I know that they're also just humans like us and the clean, no crime image of so many of them is just a façade (I know, no shit sherlock, but you'll be surprised how many fans believe their favourite idols are innocent cute little babies when they're 26-27 year old grown ass men and women.) Idol culture is a terrible parasocial relationship and if you enable people like the BS scandal criminals or those that support them, you're part of the problem.
I agree, there are some idols that I still admire very much and I would definitely be disappointed if they do something that goes far away from my moral principles, but I am certainly less and less surprised if someone does it, which is sad :((
while i agree with most of what was said, we need to stop with this 'poor dawn', he was a grown man who chose to be with her knowing where it would lead. You can be pissed at someone without adding on shit to prove your point, we know shes bad, so leave her relationship with dawn out of it
i partly feel that too and at the same time, so many years with one person and you don't realise what she's like? or did she change with her new boyfriend? i don't know. and i talk about dawn because it was a big part of her career and basically people still associate dawn with her.
Yikes😬
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Fr that's a huge yikes to Hyuna and omg that's crazy
Is it possible that they also got hyuna on tape and threatened her same like tzuyang?
I don't think so, although you never know
It’s kinda fitting how this happened… dawn threw away his career for her and now she’s ruined her career for her new guy… karma.
so sad...
please support dawn's upcoming projects. that's the best we can do at this point besides ignoring hyuna's resurfacing attempts
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i really appreciate you sharing this information all in one place. i think it would be helpful if you used punctuation in the text of your videos
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This is why I, an AFAB nonbinary person, don't believe women should be given passes for actively participating in misogyny just because they can also be affected by it. That's like giving a CSA victim a pass for assaulting a child
we have to be more careful not to idolise anyone.
I feel sad for Dawn😢
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The title should rather be what hyuna did wrong
i already have a video with a similar title so i prefer how hyuna used feminism
Tbh i wonder what will happen to her career now that her international audience is gone considering Korea is conservative n her image is decidedly not. Sure the younger generation is more open but they’re still more conservative than her international fans.
we'll have to sit and wait i guess 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
You don’t have to be a feminist to know a dude is problematic and mostly like going to ruin your reputation. She is really unapologetic in the worst way to ask for fans support for their relationship.
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i never really liked hyuna,, i didn't like her music but hey , it's ok to have diff taste in music. but THIS. this js changed everything. i've been so inactive on kpop bcus i lost interest and ever only listened to nwjns and xg ,, but this vid came up.
i loved hyuna's music but now every time a song of hers appears in my Spotify, something in me tells me to not click on it
@@hyuncute ye i get that! i try my best to separate the music from the artist , but it's hard to do when the artist itself is js really problematic :((
learning how to separate the art from the artist isn't that hard I've been listening to songs by artists like Chris Brown Travis Scott Lil' Wayne etc. and I still enjoy them just as long as I download them you should do the same
@@fatimahanwaar306 nah you're right on that tho
@@neomneomgyu3607 due to my own personal issues my views on feminism have become very shaky so I end up drowning my misery in songs by Chris Brown Lil' Wayne Kris Wu Travis Scott etc. as a way to fight fire with fire
woah there! goo hara’s server slide was much more complex than that. i realise it can’t be explained in a short format like this, especially since this video is not about her, so no hate here, just pointing out. if anyone is interested, rotten mango has a good video about the whole thing. have a good day everyone, remember to drink water
on the Hara's issue i don't have too much information, there are also people who have told me that saying that ‘she was helping day and night’ is an exaggeration and that someone could sue me? i don't know, i feel that ‘the little’ she did is a LOT because to have the courage she had is very valuable. i definitely cannot explain everything that happened in such a short video, i hope i had more information :(
Hold up. Wasn’t this guy not actually involved in the scandal wasn’t he like acquitted or something cause he didn’t have involvement?
he was the one who was not involved in the issue of doing it, he was not the one who did it or recorded it, but he saw it, commented on the videos, as well as knowing about it and not reporting it.
He knew of it but didn't think it was a "big deal" so he didn't report it. His words not mine, he's a waste of oxygen
Just saying, it likely wasn’t that they were dating that they got kicked from Cube, I highly doubt the company didn’t know they were dating. It was probably because they announced they were dating right after the company denied it, you can’t just contradict the company like that, plus they probably didn’t want Dawn, a rookie, in a dating scandal so soon
I guess there is no problem in dating as long as the public doesn't know, if the company denies something and then the artist affirms it, is bad publicity for the company so I think they got kicked out because their relationship got public and they published information without talking with cube first
Take this as a grain of salt but I wonder if she's a blackmail victim cus.....to betray your fans and and friends....damnnn hard to think a person will give that all up for an ignorant person.... just a theory😶🌫️
I don't think she's the victim in all this, to be honest.
Not been a fan of anyone after 2020
existing as a woman isn't political and you people need to stop saying hyuna ever was a feminist or used feminism... what the hell is this
so the time when she wore a t-shirt that said "we should all be feminists" was part of my imagination 🥹
@@hyuncute imo using a shirt once isnt nearly enough to classify someone as part of a political movement? especially in an industry known for using shirts with questionable english without caring what it means, but that might be just different perspectives, i don't even know what people think a feminist is anymore
edit, also didn't you give a heart to a comment that also says hyuna has never been a feminist?? im confused do you think or not that hyuna is a feminist??? i'm getting mixed signals
Hyuna is a victim of hate in whatever she does. If she unalive herself like Sulli and Hara. That's on you guys.
did you even watch this fucking video
"unalive herself" grow up!
The difference is, Sulli and Hara didn’t make excuses for rapist and their accomplices. Hyuna is actively doing that. She can fuck right off, for all I care.
@@whyisthisdifferentnow but Sulli went against her own views on feminism by dating Dynamic Duo member Choiza who was 14 years older than her if you make excuses to trivialize it with "she was a consenting adult she could have dated whoever she wanted" you're delusional if you'd do so
@@fatimahanwaar306 how is Sulli dating someone older the same as Hyuna dating a rape apologist?
Theres some errors on your information but the meaning is the same, btw make sure to investigate more for your next videos.
errors like?
Where can I find the performance for 1:30
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girlie, ure sooooo late to this topic lmao. and u bring 0 new news to the table. no opinion of ur own & just basic ai generated voice...whaaaaattt
mmm, then leave? I'm not sure what I should say to you
Shes like a her Western variants then. She must have learned it from all of you. You guys liked her for being a degenearte before though. What happened?
I don't think you have understood anything
This entire thing reeks of misogyny to me. Yet again she’s getting the blame for the actions of a man and I bet you anything that the people who’re clutching their pearls the most about this haven’t put remotely as much energy into hating on him before or after they started going out. We know she’s dating a guy who at the very least tolerated and was a bystander when he knew women were being abused but not once have I heard anyone consider what that might mean for the woman he’s in a relationship with. This isn’t about being morally righteous, this is about waiting for someone to trip up so people can feel guilt free about showing their true colours because the person they’re directing it at “deserved it”
I think you are missing the point, I literally say in the video ‘Many say we shouldn't go against Hyuna because she didn't do those things. But what does it matter? She is with someone who did. Obviously, I have more disgust for her boyfriend, but I'm disappointed in Hyuna’, nobody blames her for her boyfriend's actions, they are already done, nothing can change it, what we blame her for is that she is with a man like that. and if we can consider what that could mean for the woman she is in a relationship with? are you going to tell me that Hyuna suffers a lot for the victims? then she wouldn't have made those posts where she tries to show off her boyfriend with the phrase ‘please support us’, i won't stand for a relationship like that. and i was a fan of hyuna for a long time, you can look at my old videos, some where i say she is my favourite soloist, i had no interest in her having a bad reputation, she brought it on herself.
We blame her because we’ve already blamed him. Holding a trash ass woman accountable for her stupid actions isn’t misogyny. She’s willing to marry a man tied into sex trafficking. You’re damn right we’re going to drag her, just like we are STILL dragging the perverts who committed the crimes.
Seek help
What most of you said is quite stvpid. Being a feminist and feeling comfortable with your sexuality is incompatible according to your ignorance?! And it seems that you do not want to realize that Hyuna only dresses sexy and behaves provocatively because it is the concept that was chosen for her to exploit. What does that have to do with the fight against abuse against women?! You yourselves do not know what feminism is or that idols are WORKING, therefore selling the concept that has been assigned to them
i don't know if you haven't seen the whole video, but there is a part where i say that maybe we assigned her a feminist movement that she didn't feel part of. i also don't understand what i said to make you think that my message is that being a feminist and feeling comfortable with your sexuality is incompatible? i feel it has nothing to do with it, and in general your comment has nothing to do with what i have talked about. i haven't talked about the sexy concept that jyp gave her as a minor, although i could have, what does what you are saying have to do with what i said in the video?
@@hyuncute Have you read my comment? "What most of you said is quite stvpid" it wasn't for you
aaah i see it now, i thought you was me
@@hyuncute There were a lot of comments, so instead of answering them one by one, I'll just write one addressing all of them