Gay Life in Ireland, 1977
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- Perceptions of homosexuality, identity and sexual orientation in Irish society.
With more people opening up about their sexuality and demanding reform of the laws in Ireland, the Irish Gay Rights Movement is gaining in strength.
‘Tuesday Report’ examines how and why gay people in Ireland are becoming more vocal and the possibility of the laws surrounding homosexuality being changed.
Reporter Cathal O’Shannon writes in the RTÉ Guide.
The men and women in this film look just like you and me. They are accountants, civil servants, students, shop-workers, manual workers, office workers. The only difference is that their sexual orientation is towards their own sex. They speak for themselves and seek our understanding.
In this excerpt from the programme, Irish men and women who have publicly come out as gay discuss the nature of homosexuality and the preconceptions that people have about them.
Jimmy describes both homosexuality and heterosexuality as a response of individuals to other individuals. He believes that perceptions some people have of homosexuals are ludicrous.
It is not a situation where homosexuals themselves are a mass of deviants who roam around the streets spotting people alone.
Cathal O’Shannon admits that he too has preconceived ideas about homosexuality. Much to the amusement of the group, which includes leader of the campaign for homosexual law reform David Norris.
I would have thought that most homosexuals would have been camp, prancing queens.
David Norris says homosexuality is just one part of an individual’s personality. He believes that if homosexuals are more visible, then they can break down the preconceptions.
After a visit to a gay disco at the Hirschfeld Centre, Cathal O’Shannon speaks to openly gay men and women who have no regrets about coming outl.
Sexuality of any sort is not easily discussed in Irish family circles, but many Irish mothers and fathers are having to face the fact that a son or a daughter is homosexual.
This episode of ‘Tuesday Report’ was broadcast on 22 February 1977. The reporter is Cathal O’Shannon. - บันเทิง
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I knew some of the people in this film . I left Ireland for the UK in 1980 because Ireland was an awful place to be gay . I've been in London for 36 years . David ran a disco at the Herschfeld centre , the only place of refuge for gay people at the time . There was a dump of a pub called Barclay Dunnes . Anybody else remember that time in Dublin ?
David Norris is an absolute legend
Can’t have been easy back then. Amazing how Ireland has moved on this much.
I wonder what the majority of Irish people thought about it at the time and what the policy outcome was.
I was born in 69, and my memories of the 70s / 80s / early 90s were of a very insular society. Many friends I worked with in Dublin in the late 80s / early 90s only came out when they moved to the USA. But how quickly Ireland changed is amazing. I left in 93 when it seemed it was frozen in amber. It was around that time that David Norris (you see him with the pipe in the vid) challenged the Irish criminalisation of homosexuality in the European court and won. FFS, even condoms needed a doctor's prescription! By the mid 90s the iron grip of the RCC was clearly dying, with the different scandals really shunting things along (the Brendan Smyth affair in particular). Divorce comes in by referendum in mid 90s - unthinkable even 10 years earlier. I'm in the US at the moment, a few years ago a gay marriage activist here and I got talking; I told him that Ireland would get it sooner than the US (and by popular vote), and we did. The country that you see in these old vids no longer really exists; the social norms and the political parties that dominated have disintegrated, and about time. And again, the speed with which the old order vanished is astonishing. You really see it happening within the 90s (I think this is why Irish people have a nostalgia for ~1990, see shows like 'Moone Boy', 'Bridget & Eamon' 'Derry girls' etc., looking back it's a sort of inflection point), from there it only accelerated, to the last few years where even abortion was passed, again by popular vote, squashing the old church veto.
If you had told the people in this clip what was going to happen none of them would have believed you.
Change was too late for some, my uncle passed away aged 75 in 2010, and was only 'outed' in his obituary. He wouldn't have wanted his siblings (brothers in particular) to know. His nephews & nieces wouldn't have given two hoots.
David Norris a courageous gift to the whole of Irish society. (Accidental pun unintended) Eloquent & dignified. He and his ilk are swimmers who swam so strong against the tide, they changed the directional flow of the river. May bigotry die and stay dead xx
Courageous leaders like David Norris and others laid some of the most important foundation stones for the open-hearted and open-minded Ireland that exists today. They deserve enormous credit for standing up for human decency. Hats off to them!
Great to see an enlightened time when you could smoke a pipe in the pub, ah happy days.
Maybe if you are a smoker. To everyone else it was a pain in the arse. Give me the dark ages any time if it means not having to put up with smoke everywhere.
@@portorportor8247 True, was just in jest, I stopped smoking 12 years ago.
@@Banshun Get your point completely. I stopped 12 years ago. Was only meant in jest.
@@portorportor8247 Cardiac arrest at 54 whilst driving, 10 days later waking up with triple bypass, God's way of telling me to stop smoking! Still here at 66.
@@andyarmstrong1493 Yer bollix :)
We have come a long long way together❤️🇮🇪☘️
@Black Lesbian Poet And now many people are realizing the tyranny and evil you've inflicted upon the world and its children, people have begun to notice the ill effects your ilk bring.
@Black Lesbian Poet I think I get what you're trying to do.
.my hair is red and green.
Does anyone know the song that starts playing at 2:10 that everyone is dancing to?
This was refreshing. I'm American and I was 19 in 1977. Brought back memories not just of the bump (lol) but when the fight for rights was one of acceptance instead of special rights and not parading in obscene clothes in front of children in the street and to mutiliate one's bodies or man-boy "l0ve" but simply to be treated with the same respect and acceptance as hetreosexuals. I'm str8 but my sister and I were the beards for a cohabitating ghey friends in 1977 to get into a couples only concert meant to weed them out. I think they are stereotyped worse now than they were then and there was a lot of h8 back then. She was better friends with one and I the other so it was easy to determine who would be whose "date". I feel for ghey couples like the man who first talked today because today it is assumed - by people who are supposedly for their rights even more than it is conservatives - that they are loose and open to well let's just say open relationships and minors. It's a disgusting, untrue stereotype and, of course, they can be committed to that one true love 'til death do they part. That couple did eventually split up but they lived together 12 years before they did. That's three times as long as my marriage six years later lasted.
What pub was that, somewhere near Mary Street I think? Great to so many recognisable faces fron BC
Those dance moves though 😂
Thanks going to rewind. Wasn't sure if the whole show was a parody.
I just realized that's David Norris 🤣🤣
Is that Hugo McManus at around the 5 mins mark ?
Absolutely fascinating video,
Everyone spoke so brilliantly, openly and bravely, especially for the time that was in it.
It is such a shame that we didn't embrace them and us back then.
They probably had a horrible life really back then hiding away as people were told back then at Mass by the priests that what these people were doing is a "mortal sin" No coming out of the closet in holy Catholic Ireland.. some morals the priest had . Well not all of course . Anyway, great video. 👍
I remember well that most people didn't particularly care one way or another. Don't believe everything you've been told about Ireland back then
@@NaCreagachaDubhaplease don't spoil the narrative. They need to believe that in 1977 we were a republic of pathetic bleeting sheep.
That the priests stalked the frightened land like Nazi's on Viagra. Having their wicked way with altar boys, while spending their sermons screeching about the sins of sodomy.
Much better now. Our murder rate is over 3 times that of 1976 and suicide, self harm and depression are at levels that would be unimaginable in 1977.
But hey, we've got TikTok and abortion! And the volume of the manic mood music gets louder and louder. "Diversity is great! Ireland was a dump and the far right are out to eat you up".
Sweet music 😋
No, it's without a member of the opposite sex, so it is.
Calling all sexuality the same thing is a snide way to be humane. Rather gay I'd say.
was gay byrne gay?
Not really..he just helped them out when they were very busy.
You can’t say anything negative about this vid in the comments
What are you talking about? I didn't see anything negative in the video myself. Is there something upsetting you?
Why do you feed the need to express something negative Kevcor_? Are you wrestling with something ...? Want to get it off your chest...?
Can't? Shouldn't yes but can't? Can't is not believing in free speech, my man. And yes I did just assume your identity.
How much has changed thankfully. "Our assumptions" 🙄 . But he makes progress towards the end. I originally thought this might be a skit!
They're the skit, sweetie.
Is that Niall Shanahan, I wonder.
The reporter is Cathal O'Shannon
David Norris had to pull out of the election for a new president because his long term partner had been paying for young boys. Things like this should not be overlooked.
Great... Look at us now.
The IRSP was the first party to support the decriminalisation of homosexuality if memory serves
Definitely going to get round to visiting my dad's families home. Would like to meet a big butch Irishman. That wants to teach this Englishman a lesson or two.
all the booze lying around...
Yes, ha ha. Little bottles of drink.
Listening to that lot enough to give a person a pain in the backside.
I heard throwing it up the old mud pit is a good cure for piles. I wonder is it true I don't know. I think I will go out and have a run at it tonight - Danny Morrison
still a very conservative country ( regardless of what was voted in )
to me Ireland has gone total lib loon, once the EU keep the lights on we will agree to anything and say no to nothing
That depends on what end of the telescope you're looking through. Ireland is one of the most liberal states in the entire world
@@NaCreagachaDubha the issue is the country not the city. I feel like people are too quick to say Ireland is some progressive safe haven for queer people after the gay referendum, yet there are still so many problems that we face that haven't been addressed. For example, the dominancy of the Catholic church in schools, a lack of accessible queer spaces and inadequate health literacy amongst other problems.
Homosexually is tolerated but not acceptable in Ireland. There, your problem with the issue has been resolved. Y'all have a nice day, hear.
@@burntbacon7995
Thats bullshit as far as i can see while not perfect Ireland is inclusive and respectful of homosexuals...my kids talk of same sex couples with zero recognision of difference...i grewup in the 80s...different country.
Quaressssss deserve pity for that disco alone
lol. The Bull came into my head when I saw that disco- "Never look a quaare in the eye cos he'll trick ya inta ridin' him"😂
Collectivist Hyperbole abounds.
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