Varda Vittore 😢makes me want to yank the controller away from OP, tranq the other guards and fulton the dying dude to MB for some bandages and beans. I dont think ive ever seen this, but knowing this interaction exists... mad props to Kojima and his team, they put a lot of heart into this game
My first time playing the Angolan Border missions I was so surprised to hear my first language Afrikaans being spoken. a really, really "Afrikaaner Boer" version of it though. I showed it off to my friends, they were all equally impressed. Us being from Namibia...
+William Haumaha I had to get him because Miller on the Intel Coms kept reminding me I had to get him before I understand anything they say. Sometimes I just lay in wait with the binoculars and listen to random chatter from the guards standing around. It mindblowing for me to see so much effort put into this game especially it being a Japanese Developer who made the game. Maybe in given times more and more light is gonna shine on us around here in movies, music ect...the various media you know.
Vernon Fellow Samuels haha that would be cool hearing your first language in a video game Its not the same for English since its too common to be surprised when you heard it
Using bodies of water to shock multiple guards is brilliant. People who said this game is boring and repetitive clearly went into every mission just crawling and tranquilizing enemies without exploring other ways to complete objectives. This game is brilliant when you use and discover different approaches and tactics.
@@Amauri_Dhjin i didnt have an lmg so i just broke their armour with melee and as they were stunned threw a grenade at their feet with quiet shooting the others
PEQUOD THERE ARE SKULLS ALL OVER THE CHOPPER GET US O... *Pulls him up to see he's died.* Oh...Rest in piece Pequod the first...You will be missed...Wait, WHO'S PILOTING THE FU- *Crashes*
my best moment was attaching C4 to a car and ramming it into the nearby APC. This game is so fun when you realize all the ways you could finish a mission
That is interesting. I think dead (as opposed to stunned or sleeping) bodies disappear depending on some logic in the game. Perhaps there is a maximum number of NPC that causes it (like too many flying birds or animals).
On fob missions you can throw a guard (in the the same way as you throw a guard out the window) off the railing no matter the height to the water you can kill a guard without losing heroism points
Who else found out about drowning guards on accident. I left a whole bunch of guards held up like that in a river and then came back after grabbing some stuff because I thought there might have been one that was worth taking and they were all dead.
Some of these godly moves are hilarious. The one where he shot the parachute of the supply drop and they landed slowly by the cliffside unreachable from where he was.
Well I'm kinda where he is in the game and there are s soldiers everywhere my fob and mother base is full of s soldiers just like my waiting room, so it's not like your losing much if you can find them easily.
7:30 Speedy drop supply? Really? :)) lol I think, the best bet is to level up your support team as soon and as much as you can to speed up supply drops. But I like those videos of yours. Though after 300 hours ingame I know a thing or two about it myself, but one cannot know enough anyhow, at least your tips are still inspiring to try out something new. Keep up the good job and keep trying! The more you find out for us the less we gotta experiment ourselves. ;)
+Michael Wellman Really? Fully upgrade the stun arm and try its full charge attack. You're in for a bad ass surprise that the uploader seemed to have missed
Because of course a Russian man would use a Japanese prayer chant in an attempt to thwart off exactly what killed him. What a tweest!! I'm gonna miss this series. Lol
I mean come on, that's incredibly offensive. I can't believe you would say something so disgusting. I don't deserve to put up with these kinds of comments. You and your family should be ashamed.
Do one just about CQC because you can do some pretty cool things with it. have D-dog shock someone and you grab someone at the same time, throw people into other guards to knock them unconscious, when guards are in two's, grab the back one and quickly aim with the tranq pistol the noise should make the other turn around and headshot.
Doubt this needs to be explained but jut in case, number #17 is meant to be combined with Wait/Stay. Make D Dog stay put, and he acts as an automatic head turner for all situations when you order him to bark. Then again, nothing that can't be done with an empty magazine clip.....seriously, you can get through most of the game using those alone due to how broken they are as distraction tactics.
Could you immediately knock out enemy troops with the empty magazine in the old game? If you aim one at the exclamation mark over their heads when they see you and hit it with an empty clip, they immediately get knocked out.
+The Gaming Gamer If you go to customize on your iDroid, while you're in the helicopter you can customize the color of Mother Base, and a lot of other stuff
Once i did the number 15 occasionally by punching a soldier, its funny. Because they dont care and even when you hit them they say to you, "thanks for that boss"
What does it take to stun a guard with an empty magazine? I swear, I tried that on one guy, threw like 5 of those that hit him on the head but didn't get KO. Instead the buster spotted me :/
Honestly they are all blind as bats xD. Well, that's a lie. No they aren't. But they have a lot of flaws and blind spots that you learn as you progress. I never ever get caught and I no longer strategize at all.
3:50 Buy FOB without real money. They give you 30 MB points a day, the lowest cost FOB is 1000 MB points. Meaning you need to log in the game more that 30 days in a row. In addition, they don't give you 30 Mb points each time you log on... This isn't practical. Screw Konami and their microtransactions.
If you don't want another one don't get it. If you want it bad buy it. If you don't want it bad but still want it then keep playing and do events. Simple.
Mike Rodriguez [Your first FOB is free] I know. The Author of the video obviously did not mean his MGS5 tip on how to get FOB for free was about the first FOB *everyone* gets for free. [ If you don't want another one don't get it. If you want it bad buy it. If you don't want it bad but still want it then keep playing and do events. ] What does that have to do with anything ? I'm pointing out that the method in the video is not practical. I'm *bothered* by the fact that Konami chose to create those FOB's to explicitly hinder the player progress. (Players *who already payed* the full price of the game.) To hold the best equipment in the game hostage, until the players payed the ransom. I'm *especially bothered* because it seems that people are *too stupid* to be bothered by this. So I stand by my original statement: *Fuck* Konami, and *Fuck* their micro-transactions.
+Demosthenes You only use "An" before a word starting with a vowel. An Apple An Egg An Igloo An Owl An Umbrella You use "A" before words starting with a Consonants. A Bat A Cat A Dog A Fish A Goat A Hippo A Jaguar A Koala A Leopard A Monkey etc. etc
You didn't show how to get that FOB money, what's this daily bonus thing? I don't play online (I'm sure u can figure out why), is that 'MG money' only available when you play online? I get no daily bonuses currently, I'm on mission 21 & all my bases are maxed out. That reminds me, you would now this, what level can you get research up to with only A+ or plain S level recruits? What max would those get u?
the falling on rails is essential when you've been in/out mother base over 50 times getting soldiers raised morale..--My favorite is listening to the guards SPAZ when you took out everyone..He starts screaming at his command post via radio. :D *** another fav is mastering the Force-pull prostetic arm.(I forget name) but this is hands down the only reason I even use snake...trying to get a million +rep. I'm @ 775k ugh. slow grind. whatevs, it's fun...
Make a guard cry....... [Guard post captured] heroism +30
[Feels -1000000]
Varda Vittore 😢makes me want to yank the controller away from OP, tranq the other guards and fulton the dying dude to MB for some bandages and beans. I dont think ive ever seen this, but knowing this interaction exists... mad props to Kojima and his team, they put a lot of heart into this game
He was slapping nothing as the other guy just walks away like nothing
Unintentionally goddamn comedic
In combat, some cry for the dead, and some dont. Depends how close their battle buddy was. =/ the realities of war.
Kojima: war is bad
TH-cam: lol make guard cry
My best move was losing all my msg5 data and restarting
lmfao
The Gaming Gamer yup truly godly
+tiger tank2000 You're the god of all gods now.
Lol that phantom pain tho
Violent Messiah tru
My first time playing the Angolan Border missions I was so surprised to hear my first language Afrikaans being spoken. a really, really "Afrikaaner Boer" version of it though. I showed it off to my friends, they were all equally impressed. Us being from Namibia...
question did you ignore the Afrikaans interpreter since it is your first language or did you get him anyway
+William Haumaha I had to get him because Miller on the Intel Coms kept reminding me I had to get him before I understand anything they say. Sometimes I just lay in wait with the binoculars and listen to random chatter from the guards standing around. It mindblowing for me to see so much effort put into this game especially it being a Japanese Developer who made the game. Maybe in given times more and more light is gonna shine on us around here in movies, music ect...the various media you know.
Yea if it weren't a necessity would you play the game without him
+William Haumaha Hell yeah...
Vernon Fellow Samuels haha that would be cool hearing your first language in a video game Its not the same for English since its too common to be surprised when you heard it
You thought making a book stand was godly but summoning a bolt of lightning from the sky wasn't?
Using bodies of water to shock multiple guards is brilliant. People who said this game is boring and repetitive clearly went into every mission just crawling and tranquilizing enemies without exploring other ways to complete objectives. This game is brilliant when you use and discover different approaches and tactics.
Shooting down the supply drop was certainly faster... That is, until you include the time it'll take to climb the cliff to pick it all up.
+Luke Covey I'm pretty sure you can't get up there.
+Xandros999 you can
everytime i shoot the supplys they go away :(
Call a supply drop exactly where you're standing and use the phantom cigar the drop will speed up and hit you which will stop the phantom cigar
Luke Covey also it takes longer for items to drop
MGSV is the only game that will make you regret wounding or killing enemy guards.
basically all mgs's are like that
DustyPL is dont regret nothing i have No more soul left
Jared Knoope Let me guess. You are already a demon?
Dusty *sigh* yes..
play spec ops the line
Wow, drowning and electrocution by electric poles or electric rivers. The devs really thought of everything.
The water thing has been there since 4
Which was about 4 games ago haha
+Mike Rodriguez it was even in Peace Walker
That's what I just said in a way
+Bandicootfan63 Kojima knows what players like
The noise it makes when you stun a guard with an empty magazine... priceless
Bing
number 5 is dark
Oh god I didn’t know that they would have died that way...!!!
2:39
Mr. Snake, I don’t feel so good
Delta 6, I don't feel so good...
CQCing the Skulls is one of the best things too see in MGSV
Why would you kill that s ranked staff
Mystr Ruben Cause almost all of his staff are s++ because he bought them with (I don't really know what he used to buy with his S++ soldiers lol)
JC Cast you can use espionage points from doing FOBs to buy S++ staff. Also PF points.
dinolandra Late reply but true.
JC Cast get on my level
A Human on Earth oh it is someone from not a year ago
12:02 that sound killed me
I have done it perfect 1 time in 4 years. Lol. That time was accidental i was trying to distract the guard but it hit him in the head. Lmao
doink
Wouldn't recommend doing Number 9.
Can't say it didn't save me.
Takota Godfrey Eh.
Why
Takes more time to get to the supplies lol
I've used cqc on skulls so many times, that was my entire strategy for the archaic Metallica mission but I'm far from a pro
The Fox Laboratory
I did a challenge cqc only on the last skulls i even streamed it xD
It took my 2 and a half hours
Yep. Quicktime and the lay into them with a machine gun
I used CQC and my Macht 37
@@Amauri_Dhjin i didnt have an lmg so i just broke their armour with melee and as they were stunned threw a grenade at their feet with quiet shooting the others
big beans mgee dude a macht 37 is an smg
Those last three make me feel like this game is too good to be true
this video made me feel bad killing so many outpost guards lol
7:52 Venom is probably like, "Just great...."
How will he ever get his supplies now.
I'd never knew " horse shit" would do wonders
I quit by number 8, you have a low bar for what constitutes as "Godly" tbh man, this is some basic stuff right here.
I mean I throw bodies all the time at people.
I don't have to ,I mean I have a pistol combined with reflex mode what more does it take?
IRL version:
Poop < Vehicles
MGSV version;
Poop > Vehicles
Seems Legit.
Pequod i like your name
Pequod requesting pick up
PEQUOD THERE ARE SKULLS ALL OVER THE CHOPPER GET US O... *Pulls him up to see he's died.* Oh...Rest in piece Pequod the first...You will be missed...Wait, WHO'S PILOTING THE FU- *Crashes*
Simple, that was a diamond horse's poop, poop trained in CQC vehicle annihilation by big boss himself.
I like the idea of using Electric pole (using environment object as gameplay) to shock enemy
my best moment was attaching C4 to a car and ramming it into the nearby APC. This game is so fun when you realize all the ways you could finish a mission
speedy extraction, when calling the chopper on your location, quickly use the phantom cigar and put it away, instant chopper :D
works for supply drops as well, just stand under the landing zone and smoke up :P
or upgrade the helicopter equipment
@@stinkymetalhead200 too much, we have to pimp quite
I'm already a demon..
WHAT THERES A THIRD!?
There are way too many...
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
ok
Thank you, Boss, very cool!
Why are bodies dissapearing haha. They never do for me. Even if I leave and come back
+Mike Rodriguez Do you play on PC? Video has the PS4 version.
I play on ps4
That is interesting. I think dead (as opposed to stunned or sleeping) bodies disappear depending on some logic in the game. Perhaps there is a maximum number of NPC that causes it (like too many flying birds or animals).
That makes the most sense. Yeah
+edepot im play in ps3 in i can be 50 bodies and none disapear
HO BOY I CANT WAIT TO PULL OFF “MAKE A GUARD DROWN HIMSELF”!
On fob missions you can throw a guard (in the the same way as you throw a guard out the window) off the railing no matter the height to the water you can kill a guard without losing heroism points
I love this channel because it helps me find the best weapons to use when infiltrating a FOB same as where to go for the easiest path.
"ITS JUST A SCRATCH STAY WITH ME" BOI HE LOOK LIKE HE WAS STABBED THAT AIN'T A FUCKING SCRATCH.
Who else found out about drowning guards on accident. I left a whole bunch of guards held up like that in a river and then came back after grabbing some stuff because I thought there might have been one that was worth taking and they were all dead.
Some of these godly moves are hilarious. The one where he shot the parachute of the supply drop and they landed slowly by the cliffside unreachable from where he was.
Number 18...why'd you waste an s rank soldier?
I know Its just waste If i was him I would Extracht It
Well I'm kinda where he is in the game and there are s soldiers everywhere my fob and mother base is full of s soldiers just like my waiting room, so it's not like your losing much if you can find them easily.
+Takota Godfrey you're*
Takota Godfrey He is at 100%
ZeroCubed Because nearly all his staff members are S++
alternatively, you can use the dog bark over and over to get a mass of guards out of place chasing the dog
I Bought 2 FOBs WithOUT any Money.. Thats DOUBLE GODLY!!
well what I'm wondering about is that how did you get those skulls to fight with you on your own motherbase!
FOB Event. th-cam.com/video/_Ljhwoihc1A/w-d-xo.html
Thats what I was wondering
Lucky Boy
Me to
Can't believe this game is 6 years old, can't find hardly any as good anymore. I still play it.
i just started to play it again 4 days ago, i missed this game so much
I don't consider buying something with MB coins a "godly move" lol.
+Incestral ActionFigure Saving up 1000MB coins without paying real money is "godly"
1:15 That's why I play this game all non-lethal.
Actually with number 3 the guards were probably in range of the stun arm, it cover a good area it self.
That's what I thought until the second demonstration where he looks around and you can see the arm looking at the ground
no, it needs to be full charged to effect that much and snake screams when he does that
Some of this godly moves are evil and I LOVE IT
Do tanks do a 360 when they see D-Horse's poop?
No lmaoo
7:30 Speedy drop supply? Really? :)) lol I think, the best bet is to level up your support team as soon and as much as you can to speed up supply drops. But I like those videos of yours. Though after 300 hours ingame I know a thing or two about it myself, but one cannot know enough anyhow, at least your tips are still inspiring to try out something new. Keep up the good job and keep trying! The more you find out for us the less we gotta experiment ourselves. ;)
I like your mgs vids. Keep it up! :)
omg, the little sound effect of beaning a guard in the head with a magazine has me in stitches every time I hear it.
edepot is now one of my favorite channels
and your tips really help
If you kill skulls with CQC you’ll learn to make their machete.
Number 4 is the funniest and number 1 is my favorite. I also learned some new things from your video. Thanks.
#9
Does this really fall faster? or does it just stop the forward movement?
The last 5 were pretty good. The rest was like common knowledge really.
+Fahad Zubaid Thanks for the input. Just like there are unequal gods, there are unequal godly tips.
+edepot lol
I did not know about the dhorse "bananna peel" i cracked up when i saw that
Electrocuting guards in water? heh, I rarely even used the shock arm, I never even bothered with it. hmmm, I wonder........
+Michael Wellman Really? Fully upgrade the stun arm and try its full charge attack. You're in for a bad ass surprise that the uploader seemed to have missed
+Kane Agreed, fully upgraded stun arm= Zeus mode= God mode :D
What I mean is that when I can get a new PS4, I'm gonna try that on 'you-know-who' during mission 'you-know-when'
+Michael Wellman Good idea, make sure you set him up for it though. Kuwabara... Kuwabara.
Because of course a Russian man would use a Japanese prayer chant in an attempt to thwart off exactly what killed him. What a tweest!! I'm gonna miss this series. Lol
yet another great video brah. keep it up plz!
I tried the fall catch but my prosthetic fell off. I think that only works in the old mgs
Dude, can you not make jokes like that?
+edepot lighten up
+edepot Sure, if you can give me a good reason.
+edepot someone's grumpy
I mean come on, that's incredibly offensive. I can't believe you would say something so disgusting. I don't deserve to put up with these kinds of comments. You and your family should be ashamed.
If you wound an enemy , and then Fulton extract , you’ll receive more heroism points than usual if they survive the Fulton extraction !
Do one just about CQC because you can do some pretty cool things with it. have D-dog shock someone and you grab someone at the same time, throw people into other guards to knock them unconscious, when guards are in two's, grab the back one and quickly aim with the tranq pistol the noise should make the other turn around and headshot.
+deetsitmeisterjd Here is one just about CQC: th-cam.com/video/mY451yeIHIg/w-d-xo.html
***** Sorry haha
Doubt this needs to be explained but jut in case, number #17 is meant to be combined with Wait/Stay. Make D Dog stay put, and he acts as an automatic head turner for all situations when you order him to bark.
Then again, nothing that can't be done with an empty magazine clip.....seriously, you can get through most of the game using those alone due to how broken they are as distraction tactics.
vc180191 why broken? empty magazines and knocks have been their archetype mechanics since 98. did you play the former mgs?
Could you immediately knock out enemy troops with the empty magazine in the old game? If you aim one at the exclamation mark over their heads when they see you and hit it with an empty clip, they immediately get knocked out.
wait... You can really turn Ddog into a fox? I have to actually play this fucking game.
Darkfox Bill wasnt he an akita?
Darkfox Bill not a fox a dodge.
neon wolf/husky like
Its not a husky nor a wolf, its a shiba inu, basically, the same breed as the famous meme doge
Failed meme coin
ga damm, this game is just.. i cant even express it the detail that devs put into this game. THERE COOKING!
In number 18 that one guard just walks away like "bitch please I never liked you anyways"
First one omg so godly lol good vid dough
Why dont you record for about 30 mins doing what you normally do in this game?
+alanconnors Maybe. What mission would you like to see?
+edepot What was playing during your gameplay in the Skulls FOB? Give me something from the OST.
+edepot secondary missions in general (:
how did you color mother base like that?
+The Gaming Gamer If you go to customize on your iDroid, while you're in the helicopter you can customize the color of Mother Base, and a lot of other stuff
+The Gaming Gamer The FOB Event before this one: th-cam.com/video/xpNyhzLyHD0/w-d-xo.html
***** thanks keep the good work up
Doks Office Studios lol
costumise
man.. u bring MGS gaming to whol new lvl LOL
Thanks for being a fan.
+edepot what's your one tip for a noob ?
The guard at 11:40 looks like John Cena up close, lol.
Why do I like these intros so much lmao
I did #5 before. Didn't realize it would happen lol. I tranq'd a dude in some water and he fell face down and died after a little while.
Once i did the number 15 occasionally by punching a soldier, its funny. Because they dont care and even when you hit them they say to you, "thanks for that boss"
At 2:12 you see on the right the persons stats. How do gain the ability to see that?
What does it take to stun a guard with an empty magazine?
I swear, I tried that on one guy, threw like 5 of those that hit him on the head but didn't get KO. Instead the buster spotted me :/
It must be done when reflex mode is on (when everything is slow mo)
edepot Thanks again man
If it weren't for you, I'd never gotten past the Honey Bee mission.
wow... you werent going for high heroism were you
U need more subs u just earned one thx for the tips
Showering is a godly move too
Great video! :) I don't understand why people dislike it
+Jacopo Zuffa Fake accounts from other youtube competitors that come mainly to give dislikes on my popular videos.
@2:38 the dead guard disappearing kinda made it funny, ngl
1:37 don't worry, that guy going to met his friends soon
12:03 this will save a lot of ammo
Making guard cry=*god tier*
I know this was 5 years ago, but I found #5 through the oil mission. Was hilarious to me
So much Metal Gear madness in this apparently not very Metal Gear, Metal Gear.
Temporal Tom Metal Gear ?
A Metal Gear... to surpass Metal Gear
12:40 thats actually a very cool detail
Serial killers: 🥶
War crime commiters: 😱
People who killed quiet in mission 11: 😈
Never seen the body disappear in mgs v on scene sonetimes they're theee even when u leave n come back without a checkpoint. Strange.
*This* is why I play these games, not Konami's money grubbing grind pay-to-win that they tacked on to this game. Thanks for the video.
1:55 dudes seen his fair share of comrades die
Does having a obvious camp like white on my guns make me more visible to the AI
I think yes but usually use some camouflage if you want to do important missions ok?
Tip from your friend Kaz
+RockSkull 12 No
Honestly they are all blind as bats xD. Well, that's a lie. No they aren't. But they have a lot of flaws and blind spots that you learn as you progress. I never ever get caught and I no longer strategize at all.
+The Box That Could That's because they aren't programmed to work in open areas. Put them in an interior and you're done for..
Huge efforts huge like
u missed something. shooting 2 guard with 1 bullet using antimaterial rifle. and burn guard with riot suit to instantly kill them
2:38 when your friend becomes one with the force
3:50 Buy FOB without real money. They give you 30 MB points a day, the lowest cost FOB is 1000 MB points. Meaning you need to log in the game more that 30 days in a row. In addition, they don't give you 30 Mb points each time you log on...
This isn't practical. Screw Konami and their microtransactions.
Your first FOB is free
If you don't want another one don't get it. If you want it bad buy it. If you don't want it bad but still want it then keep playing and do events.
Simple.
By the way where te fuck did you get 1000? Haha there is one for 700 mb
Mike Rodriguez [Your first FOB is free]
I know. The Author of the video obviously did not mean his MGS5 tip on how to get FOB for free was about the first FOB *everyone* gets for free.
[ If you don't want another one don't get it. If you want it bad buy it. If you don't want it bad but still want it then keep playing and do events. ]
What does that have to do with anything ?
I'm pointing out that the method in the video is not practical.
I'm *bothered* by the fact that Konami chose to create those FOB's to explicitly hinder the player progress. (Players *who already payed* the full price of the game.) To hold the best equipment in the game hostage, until the players payed the ransom.
I'm *especially bothered* because it seems that people are *too stupid* to be bothered by this.
So I stand by my original statement: *Fuck* Konami, and *Fuck* their micro-transactions.
... What does someone with 2 fobs have that I don't haha
Wouldn't a FOB be better said as An FOB? Just curious.
An Field Operating Base? Nah
itsddashrock Just for the abbreviation, I mean. Eff Oh Bee
+Demosthenes You only use "An" before a word starting with a vowel.
An Apple
An Egg
An Igloo
An Owl
An Umbrella
You use "A" before words starting with a Consonants.
A Bat
A Cat
A Dog
A Fish
A Goat
A Hippo
A Jaguar
A Koala
A Leopard
A Monkey
etc. etc
Vincent2wice I know that easy rule, I just strangely feel more comfortable saying an FOB than a FOB.
I'll be damned. TH-cam taught me to treat abbreviations as vowels.
You didn't show how to get that FOB money, what's this daily bonus thing? I don't play online (I'm sure u can figure out why), is that 'MG money' only available when you play online? I get no daily bonuses currently, I'm on mission 21 & all my bases are maxed out.
That reminds me, you would now this, what level can you get research up to with only A+ or plain S level recruits? What max would those get u?
The guard just sits there not even trying to help then makes a big deal when his buddy dies game mechanics.
that's pretty awesome dude lol
skulls in MB?
It's a FOB event
Exactly i was wondering that it would be cool if you could fight skulls at motherbase
your mother base is so cool.the colors... how did you do that mine is single color.
Fob event
the falling on rails is essential when you've been in/out mother base over 50 times getting soldiers raised morale..--My favorite is listening to the guards SPAZ when you took out everyone..He starts screaming at his command post via radio. :D *** another fav is mastering the Force-pull prostetic arm.(I forget name) but this is hands down the only reason I even use snake...trying to get a million +rep. I'm @ 775k ugh. slow grind. whatevs, it's fun...
Very godly move, buying something without real money
How is that you did get that color of the Mother Base?
Using a *Cardboard* box to put out fires... makes sense