@@GabrielRodriguez-iz9ob Swift. For Windows, they implemented WinUI in Swift on Windows. They took a huge risk and had to create the implementation of WinUI in Swift, and created a bunch of tooling around Swift on Windows that just didn't exist. Presumably they'd want to use Swift on Linux, which is okay, sort of. Gtk bindings for Swift do exist, but what would the implementation look like? Apple and WinUI have distinct, standardized layouts, standard components, with guidance on how an app SHOULD look. GTK and KDE don't exactly have this sort of dynamic, and which would you use?
This seems significantly less convenient than Firefox Multi-Account Containers for my use, but I'm very happy to see some innovation in the browser UI space. It has been stagnant for too long.
@@lukivan8you can achieve vertical tab in Firefox with similar (or IMO better) implementation than arc does. Just browse around firefoxcss subreddit. You're most likely web engineers, CSS does not scare you.
i tried containers and they were meh. I did not find a usecase for having cookie isolation in the same window. also it doesn't isolate search, downloads or history. a separate profile for work and home is a much better flow for a majority of people.
As someone who’s used both, I actually find Arc’s management much more convenient (I haven’t found a way to break up bookmark bars in Firefox by container yet). Having my spaces with their bookmarks readily available is hugely helpful since I freelance for a few separate companies
@@crowmanhusk5644 in cases when you have multiple accounts, lets say, an student account and your every day account. Is really anoying when you have to open another browser window only for 2, maybe 3 websites because you are using other account for that. Instead, containers open that page automatically with your "student" container. I mean, is a really specific use case, but is pretty handy and easy to use. For me, I have 3 containers: my main user account, my student account and the last one for youtube only 😂. Containers are the only extension that keeps me tied to Firefox
The URL bar in full view is a MUST for any front end developer who works on multipage sites with dozens, hundreds or more routes. In fact, I wish I could increase the font size of the URL so can read more easily!! So Arc might work for personal use, but incognito chrome or firefox is a must for front end dev work
As far as I know, their GUI using Swift on Windows is already live and open-source, so people can build their own Swift GUI apps for Windows now too. Would be interesting to see someone trying it.
Tabs in the sidebar is a really great feature. Before Arc I was that crazy person, who used Edge on Mac and Edge on Linux just because it has vertical tabs.
@@d3stinYwOw I'm very open to trying those, but so far the ones I've tried haven't integrated into my workflow as easily as the native Edge way of doing things. Any good recommendations?
While watching your video I agreed with your critique about spaces and profiles. But then I gave the spaces feature a go and having spaces not coupled to profiles makes a ton of sense. If you want the functionality of spaces being treated like different profiles, arc lets you do that. It's also very explicit when you create a new space about that. Moreover, I just wanted sectioning between work and non work but I still want a shared session between them. Spaces gives me that. I would rethink the critique there tbh. Not really a shortcoming of arc, but overall do agree that there are loose ends that they still need to tie up.
*crosses fingers* Please say that you're switching to Firefox, PLEASE! Edit: bruh, you're switching from Chrome, to a closed source chromium fork. I'd rather use an open source browser that isn't just another chromium fork. Also you can do similar stuff on Firefox with a little tweaking and a few add-ons. Also, no Linux support... no thank you.
@@thenewdesign I'm all for trying new things, and so I did give Arc a shot, months ago. I just don't understand its workflow. It looks pretty, but I'm just not seeing the thought process behind how I'm intended to navigate through everything
@@dinckelman Same, I was hyped on it before I actually tried it and on the waiting list for a seeming eternity. I have a bunch of ideas for making a browser myself, but never really dug into it. Arc's choices seem different for different's sake, without adding value. I can't blame Theo, his content path makes it super hard to come up w/ new video ideas so this is one he has to do. The fact that he didn't even know that Arc is canceled and the company is pivoting away from it is a bit surprising though
If Arc was built on top of webkit, I would have been so much more excited; combine that with the sweet sweet unified Swift codebase and you have your audience cut out for you. But no, its just chrome with botox.
Spaces and profiles being separate concepts is a great feature IMO. It turns spaces into an organisational feature without forcing you into a different session. And you still get the option to tie profiles to your different spaces if you so choose.
I've had access to the windows beta and its total booboo. It's unusably buggy/unstable and feels like it only has a fraction of a fraction of the features that mac has implemented.
it's always good to have competition. nonetheless, one shouldn't consider "shipping new features" as a reason to ditch a browser. We all agree that a browser is just.. a browser. Honestly what I care the most is stability, efficient resource consumption and no anti consumer moves.
Or, anyway, browsers should just be ... browsers. The more everybody kitchen-sinks them, the more maintenance, security, and usability problems for everybody.
the first time i saw arc was way before even the beta for windows, and i LOVED the idea. and at the time i switched to edge (i was getting a new pc setup, and wanted to give it a shot). as soon as i found a feature of sidebar tabs in edge, i switched to it, and never could come back anymore. yes, there still were "old" bookmarks, but it helped me transition, too. when arc on windows came out, i immediately installed it and i wasn't feeling like i had to learn anything because i had basically the same browsing style in edge, except now it actually looked better and had color theme choices and spaces. i can never go back to the tabs on the top. i'm already used to a sidebar. and now, whenever i'm on someone else's pc, i use edge, but before using it i enable the sidebar mode. it's just so much more comfortable for me, and i don't even know why i used firefox before, too. when i got to firefox from google chrome, i could not come back to it ever again. i even tried. my brain just refused to use chrome. after going to edge, i didn't even bother getting any other browser, so i didn't try firefox or anything else because edge was my everything, it was enough. and then... arc. and im not even talking from a privacy standpoint - while yes, i am "for privacy", i still am what they call an armchair enthusiast, i don't do much to get to it, - and i went to firefox for the sole reason of trying something "new", not because ahh privacy omgomg. im always using arc now. i only upgraded to win11 because arc. i even showed it to my friend, and he loved it too, still uses it lol
3:00 oh nooo. Oh no. I currently have like 50-70+ tabs open (and try to keep it around that number all the time), and some of the tabs I have are open literally for MONTHS. They are not pinned(not static at all), they are more like "todo" but not as much strong as to put them somewhere in bookmarks, or a note. First group is like some github issues I currently have in work (maybe like 5-6), others is some immediately useful learning material, other music, and sometimes some random stuff as well. TH-cam does have "watch later", but it became so cluttered there that I just open it as a tab instead. I feel that I am, surprisingly, very productive with this setup, and overall with the chaotic style of organizing stuff.
I feel like Vivaldi already has it all and is around for a very long time compared to Arc, so honestly I'm quite sceptical about it. And hacking your way to build the Swift on Windows even though might be amazing, also sounds like trouble.
From a business point of view, I agree about Swift, but personally, I really hope that it becomes more of a mainstream language and stuff like this helps it
After getting used to Vivaldi, without even touching most of its features, the gestures became second nature so much so, that when using other browsers, I try to open or close a tab with a gesture and get confused for a second, haha
this is why I'm against using tools that require different shortcuts or gestures, muscle memory is pita. About 10 years ago I wrote a script for a program to make my own shortcuts via F key behavior. A few years back I ended up using the same program on someone laptop my first reaction was to use my shortcuts. Today I don't use any shortcuts aside from the obvious ctrl + c, etc.
Edge has tons of useless Microsoft bloat that *gets in your way* very badly. Source: I was Edge user for a very long time, but despite all my attempts, including making a huge bootstrap bat file with bunch of feature flags to disable things like Games or upsells, I've eventually found them adding more and [Do you want to reset your settings to Microsoft ones?] more bloat so off-putting I just switched [There's no need to download a new browser. Microsoft recommends ...] to Firefox. Not regretting it a slightest, even though I miss features like Read aloud a lot.
In Windows we have the wonderful Edge browser (if you don't notice its obnoxiousness in advertising Microsoft products), which has borrowed some successful solutions from Arc and from other browsers (vertical tabs, window splitting, fast profiles switching for example).
Wish it could have been easier, but everything you get from Arc out of the box is very possible to achieve in Firefox. It takes some elbow grease, but I even managed to reach near-identical UI and UX experiences with extra capabilities and fixes (e.g. auto-hiding the sidebar to expand above the webpage, fixing the page width closer to standard aspect-ratios and preventing layout shifting risk) that I'm sure will land on Arc in later releases. Firefox does suffer from the same issue of feature prioritisation conflicting with reasonable expiations from the user-base, but it's still worth investing into as the most promising alternative to compete with Chrome and Google's monopolization of the web platform.
Not seeing the URL bar is SOOOOO fucking frustrating for me… If they at least added the option to enable developer mode globally (dev mode shows a blue bar with full url and some buttons, but only for a specific domain) I could swallow it, but the current state is not acceptable at all… Also, I’m daily driving Safari because the “tab overview” feature is a game changer for me and I can’t live without it, whenever I have like 15 tabs of docs open, I just zoom out and I see a grid of all my tabs and it’s perfectly readable (on retina screen anyway 😃), and I can find a tab I want in seconds… the closest thing to this was alt tabbing on windows when using Edge (it showed each tab in the window switcher), but even that is not that good. Sorry, rant over 😂
Also there is no conept of bookmarks where I just want to save some links without having a tab saved. because If I wanna move out of arc there is no way to export this list.
Microsoft edge feels superior in every way, vertical tabs, profiles, workspaces, copilot, performance. and can be customized a lot. used all the browsers but edge has been my primary browser for almost 2 years and don't think i'll switch to any other.
I haven't looked at Arc but I hate the opinionated idea that tabs go away on their own. Anyway, I'm in the process of dropping Chrome for Vivaldi - have you looked at it?
i tried Arc a long time ago, but the problem was: they use differnt shortcuts, so my muscle memory (settled from chrome usage) was against me, and Arc Support was not giving a solution, how to have shortcuts like in Chrome. I stopped then using Arc :/
I wonder what people think about Edge. I moved over to it when I used a lower powered Apple M1 for work and Edge allowed me to get work done on my 13 inch M1 with 8GB. Even though I have 16 inch M1 with 64GB RAM now I am still on Edge. What I like about it is that it’s like Chrome just better and more efficient.
I've used Edge for around 2 years now, this due to that it renders like Chrome but manages system resources much, much ... better. Chrome also has gone way off what it initially was -- a light and fast browser.
@@TommieHansen Chrome was never never never ever light and fast. Back when Battlefield 3 was started via the browser, the devs even recommended people to switch to firefox for higher ingame performance.
@@Murv I guess you weren't around when it first launched. It blew everybody's minds how fast and light it was, compared to the competition, which was pretty much just Firefox or 4 different awfully slow versions of IE.
When you started talking about browsers that introduce meaningful features, I was sure you were going to say you switched to Vivaldi. If I was not a die hard Firefox user, that's what I'd use. If you haven't tried tiled tabs and stacked tabs, you are missing out
Tiled tabs exist on Arc as well (its called split views). Haven't used stacks but I think that might be like folders in Arc? Either way, def agree that these are pretty killer features to have.
To always see the *full* url for a page you're visiting in Arc, do these 2 things (Mac users) - View > Show Toolbar - Arc > Setitngs... > Advanced > Show full URL when Toolbar is enabled.
I tend to default back to Safari, but I do really like Arc. I agree about disliking context being lost in the url, like right now I know I'm on youtube, the url should show the more relevant part (the channel/user). The side by side is really cool, not always a fan of disappearing tabs (as someone who opens then and only eventually closes them)
feel like many of these critique points coming from a very heavy power users perspective. like the zooming critique, most ppl aren't streamers. feels bit nitpicky. would also argue most ppl don't care about the URL one bit. if they even know how it works lol. so thinking removing it from your view makes the browser less clutter. a big thing why I like it so much. its so much less useless information everywhere.
I started using arc way back when it was fairly new for mac and needed an invite. I found that for dev work it wasn’t great and had a few issues - thankfully they’ve fixed these issues and I bloody love it (though I am mostly a windows user at the moment for work)
I am happily giving Arc another try when they are ready for windows. I use both, macos and windows regularly but as long as they aren't ready yet I still use brave
Arc is ok, but i think we should be more critical with privacy problems. Arc does not address these other than not sending your analytics directly to google. That's why i am on brave, and theres no way i am changing right now. From a UI perspective Arc is really cool though. I just wish these features come to a more privacy based browser or they add some privacy features.
Honestly I think a lot of what you said were purely subjective, for instance the point about the URL bar. Arc is aimed towards the general public and seeing the query params or even the path within a website is something only devs would care about. The point about spaces has already been made, but also the setting for the UI decision made for pinning of extensions. It's such a nitpicky detail that if arc were to address that feature, there would be a lot more decisions that various people were unhappy with, for which settings would have to be introduced for as well.
URLS affect alot of people not just devs. That's silly to argue in favor of LESS infomed internet users. It's like saying only mailmen care about the actual address of something, or only bankers care about routing numbers. A hard to see url, or URL-barless, browser increases ability to be scammed, to no be informed when being tracked through urls, to not see when a typo has been made leading to a 404 or a typosquatter etc etc . Just like accessibility ramps being opposed they are incredibly useful to have built in for the every day person and not have to add them retroactively. The difference between spaces with and without is staggering. The general public not caring about something UNTIL it affects an individual segment directly is a poor way to view UX.
Which is exactly why I specified the general public doesnt care much for query PARAMS. Arc DOES have the option to show the URL in itself (as theo has already enabled the setting for). Phishing attacks and similar happen by redirecting to a fishy website, not a legit website with questionable query parameters. @@TheNewton
While I’m an Arc fanboy and their top 1% contributor, its important to say - all Chromiums (yes, including Arc and Edge) consistently use 5-10x more energy in non-sythetic tests. On tip of that Arc turns into a laggy piece of crap whenever you get below 20% battery as it caps fps.
I agree with everything Theo mention here but the one thing is that I achieve everything this video mention in... Firefox. You can even achieve vertical tabs by modifying the browser UI altogether because, surprise surprise, even Firefox uses CSS for their styling! You guys are web engineers, you can just hack your browser to do it.
I feel you fundamentally misunderstand the bookmarks. It is identical to chrome, in the sense one should be able to access them no matter where they are in the browser. As a college student, all my profiles are my different classes and the associated classes with them. The one common thing they have is a canvas page. Rather than pinning canvas to each profile, why would I not just bookmark canvas?
Theo's take is quite the Arc n00bie's take. He hadn't worked out pinned extensions, Ctrl-D dev mode which shows the full URL bar, and the concept of Spaces, which quite different to the UX of Chrome profile. Very opinianated and incomplete take! Things he talks about are his own niggles, not bugs or bad UX, in my opinion. Downloads and Spaces view is quite slow, that's true. I maintain 10+ spaces, it's an awesome King feature of Arc. Well done guys, you built something that's changed my life.
This is gonna sound weird but idc about vertical space, I need that horizontal space.... I have about 8 extensions pinned and need to view the full URL a lot for debugging and making easy changes. I don't like Chrome but they are lightyears ahead with development for many use cases
I use Arc as well, and for me the biggest draw is that I can have multiple "spaces" (the icons at the bottom) instead of multiple windows open, which makes things soooo much easier.
Microsoft Edge had the same sidebar tabs for a very long time (with groups which is amazing for organization), it has a lot more other features than arc too, so I prefer using it instead :) I don't care about "swift on windows" it's an irrelevant technical detail and I don't see the point of highlighting it in all of their social media this much.
it's a very niche browser, i only use it to play videos on a vertical monitor without entering fullscreen, and without all the url bars. i kinda wish chrome had zen mode
This looks like a browser designed for persistent tabs. Personally I have Firefox configured to automatically clear my browser history when it closes, I never keep tabs open for long. I also don't like how small the URL bar is, it sounds really annoying to do web development when you always have to click to see the full URL.
the zoom thing to me, feels like you should just have a different profile for the stream then. the whole point of the spaces with the same profile IMO is that they are the same browser, but you are just context switching but you expect to have the same logins/settings/etc, so if you want different zooms, then its not the same profile, and should setup another profile accordingly. That being said, would be nice to somehow import/export settings between profiles
they things you mention as things you dont like, are the things that I do like. they were explained in the onboarding. The top sections is supposed to be on all spaces with the same profile, thats the expected behavior. it really just sounds you are trying to do what its not setup to do, and then complaining about it. even though you could just create another profile and have it work exactly the way you would expect no problem
and after seeing this video, if i was Arc, i wouldnt fast pass you in either. you dont like some of the core features of the browser, and you run a channel with a large audience, so when you inevitably gripe about arc on windows, it puts out negativity around it.
Wait... There is no way to use this browser without creating an account? That's I guess a new level. I believe it's not an issue for many people but definitely worth mentioning.
Memory management sucks still so I gave up on Arc for third time already. It slows my M1 mac with 16gb ram to a halt every time. The great suspender” works but if you split screen, it suspends the other window. This is only good if you have the patience to manually turn on/off tabs.
I hate the fact that you can't sync desktop Arc with your mobile Arc browser, I mean there is a mobile browser from Arc team but it is not working properly
Different zooms I want this desperately! I find it so so so so annoying. Zoom in on one tab and the other tabs get zoomed in too (chrome) idk if this is the same on Arc
I've used Arc for a long time and I love it with the profiles/workflow, especially cause I need to be signed in to about 3 accounts for work. However, they seem to be shifting hard to the AI route so I'm a bit worried about Arcs future, might have to switch back to chrome.
@@esnho it's just a neat little customization feature where you can create a preset style for each site. allows you to change the hue of the site and make it darker or lighter.
"I switched from Chromium to Chromium"
Arc is chromium? Then what's holding them from releasing it for Linux and Windows?
@@GabrielRodriguez-iz9ob Swift lol
@@GabrielRodriguez-iz9obdid you even watch the video?
@@GabrielRodriguez-iz9ob Swift. For Windows, they implemented WinUI in Swift on Windows. They took a huge risk and had to create the implementation of WinUI in Swift, and created a bunch of tooling around Swift on Windows that just didn't exist.
Presumably they'd want to use Swift on Linux, which is okay, sort of. Gtk bindings for Swift do exist, but what would the implementation look like? Apple and WinUI have distinct, standardized layouts, standard components, with guidance on how an app SHOULD look. GTK and KDE don't exactly have this sort of dynamic, and which would you use?
me too buddy
This seems significantly less convenient than Firefox Multi-Account Containers for my use, but I'm very happy to see some innovation in the browser UI space. It has been stagnant for too long.
And vertical tabs.
@@lukivan8you can achieve vertical tab in Firefox with similar (or IMO better) implementation than arc does.
Just browse around firefoxcss subreddit. You're most likely web engineers, CSS does not scare you.
i tried containers and they were meh. I did not find a usecase for having cookie isolation in the same window. also it doesn't isolate search, downloads or history. a separate profile for work and home is a much better flow for a majority of people.
As someone who’s used both, I actually find Arc’s management much more convenient (I haven’t found a way to break up bookmark bars in Firefox by container yet). Having my spaces with their bookmarks readily available is hugely helpful since I freelance for a few separate companies
@@crowmanhusk5644 in cases when you have multiple accounts, lets say, an student account and your every day account.
Is really anoying when you have to open another browser window only for 2, maybe 3 websites because you are using other account for that.
Instead, containers open that page automatically with your "student" container.
I mean, is a really specific use case, but is pretty handy and easy to use.
For me, I have 3 containers: my main user account, my student account and the last one for youtube only 😂. Containers are the only extension that keeps me tied to Firefox
Never left Firefox
At least every test automation tool supports it.
tree style tabs and removing tabs at top with custom css is just great. I love the options of firefox.
stay there
I’m soooo tried of the Arc hype. Everyone makes it seem like the second coming of Christ. It’s a good browser but it’s still a browser.
sis, it is a good and creative browser. Makes work efficient and effective, chill
Theo is far too opinionated and brash without having formed his thoughts well enough and making sure he knows exactly what's going on
The URL bar in full view is a MUST for any front end developer who works on multipage sites with dozens, hundreds or more routes. In fact, I wish I could increase the font size of the URL so can read more easily!! So Arc might work for personal use, but incognito chrome or firefox is a must for front end dev work
the url and secure icon should be shown all the time, maybe add a setting if you want to hide it but it should show up by default
Definitely would like to see a reaction to that Arc video on how they approached building their windows platform in Swift.
As far as I know, their GUI using Swift on Windows is already live and open-source, so people can build their own Swift GUI apps for Windows now too.
Would be interesting to see someone trying it.
Can't wait their windows buid
arc windows release kinda taking a while
Preach 😅
Kek waiting for. linux
When will arc linux come out?
I got windows access today, want an invite?
@@s_shakeCould I get that invite?
Tabs in the sidebar is a really great feature. Before Arc I was that crazy person, who used Edge on Mac and Edge on Linux just because it has vertical tabs.
i am on windows, so arc isn't an option (yet) - but i also use edge for the vertical tabs and split panels. couldn't live without them anymore
Have your heard about vertical tabs extensions for other browsers? ;)
I really like edge
@@d3stinYwOw I'm very open to trying those, but so far the ones I've tried haven't integrated into my workflow as easily as the native Edge way of doing things. Any good recommendations?
@@spaceemotion1firefox vertical tabs extension is the reason I use firefox, edge felt so bad to use after them
While watching your video I agreed with your critique about spaces and profiles. But then I gave the spaces feature a go and having spaces not coupled to profiles makes a ton of sense. If you want the functionality of spaces being treated like different profiles, arc lets you do that. It's also very explicit when you create a new space about that. Moreover, I just wanted sectioning between work and non work but I still want a shared session between them. Spaces gives me that. I would rethink the critique there tbh. Not really a shortcoming of arc, but overall do agree that there are loose ends that they still need to tie up.
i use Arc btw
i cannot take the thumbnail selfies seriously
*crosses fingers* Please say that you're switching to Firefox, PLEASE!
Edit: bruh, you're switching from Chrome, to a closed source chromium fork. I'd rather use an open source browser that isn't just another chromium fork. Also you can do similar stuff on Firefox with a little tweaking and a few add-ons. Also, no Linux support... no thank you.
The Arc for Windows beta program is depressing to be honest, there has been only 72 persons enrolled in a month
OMG, it's only been 9 recently. Where do they get people so fast? They should slow down a little
There is just nothing compelling about this browser at all. It's different for its own sake, and slows you down more than it improves anything
@@thenewdesign I'm all for trying new things, and so I did give Arc a shot, months ago. I just don't understand its workflow. It looks pretty, but I'm just not seeing the thought process behind how I'm intended to navigate through everything
@@dinckelman Same, I was hyped on it before I actually tried it and on the waiting list for a seeming eternity. I have a bunch of ideas for making a browser myself, but never really dug into it. Arc's choices seem different for different's sake, without adding value. I can't blame Theo, his content path makes it super hard to come up w/ new video ideas so this is one he has to do. The fact that he didn't even know that Arc is canceled and the company is pivoting away from it is a bit surprising though
If Arc was built on top of webkit, I would have been so much more excited; combine that with the sweet sweet unified Swift codebase and you have your audience cut out for you. But no, its just chrome with botox.
Spaces and profiles being separate concepts is a great feature IMO. It turns spaces into an organisational feature without forcing you into a different session. And you still get the option to tie profiles to your different spaces if you so choose.
I've had access to the windows beta and its total booboo. It's unusably buggy/unstable and feels like it only has a fraction of a fraction of the features that mac has implemented.
There's an option to show the full URL on the toolbar, just right click the toolbar and it should be there
I forgot to mention that u have to unhide the toolbar first
it's always good to have competition. nonetheless, one shouldn't consider "shipping new features" as a reason to ditch a browser. We all agree that a browser is just.. a browser. Honestly what I care the most is stability, efficient resource consumption and no anti consumer moves.
the forced anti adblock pushes on chrome was it for me , im a brave user now . I feel like google is abusing chrome for more profit now.
@@gameplaychannel9435 Indidnt wanted to try brave and is amazing, just using youtube is a bliss
Or, anyway, browsers should just be ... browsers.
The more everybody kitchen-sinks them, the more maintenance, security, and usability problems for everybody.
No, we do not all "agree", please don't speak for everyone. For me layout, looks and customization are as important as stability
@@denysdorokhov6355 -- But mascit didn't say that _we_ all agree to care most about stability. Mascit said "what _I_ care about most is stability."
the first time i saw arc was way before even the beta for windows, and i LOVED the idea. and at the time i switched to edge (i was getting a new pc setup, and wanted to give it a shot). as soon as i found a feature of sidebar tabs in edge, i switched to it, and never could come back anymore. yes, there still were "old" bookmarks, but it helped me transition, too. when arc on windows came out, i immediately installed it and i wasn't feeling like i had to learn anything because i had basically the same browsing style in edge, except now it actually looked better and had color theme choices and spaces. i can never go back to the tabs on the top. i'm already used to a sidebar. and now, whenever i'm on someone else's pc, i use edge, but before using it i enable the sidebar mode. it's just so much more comfortable for me, and i don't even know why
i used firefox before, too. when i got to firefox from google chrome, i could not come back to it ever again. i even tried. my brain just refused to use chrome. after going to edge, i didn't even bother getting any other browser, so i didn't try firefox or anything else because edge was my everything, it was enough. and then... arc.
and im not even talking from a privacy standpoint - while yes, i am "for privacy", i still am what they call an armchair enthusiast, i don't do much to get to it, - and i went to firefox for the sole reason of trying something "new", not because ahh privacy omgomg. im always using arc now. i only upgraded to win11 because arc. i even showed it to my friend, and he loved it too, still uses it lol
I might switch to a sidebar for tabs because I am one of those people who has so many tabs open you can't even see what they are anymore.
3:00 oh nooo. Oh no. I currently have like 50-70+ tabs open (and try to keep it around that number all the time), and some of the tabs I have are open literally for MONTHS. They are not pinned(not static at all), they are more like "todo" but not as much strong as to put them somewhere in bookmarks, or a note. First group is like some github issues I currently have in work (maybe like 5-6), others is some immediately useful learning material, other music, and sometimes some random stuff as well. TH-cam does have "watch later", but it became so cluttered there that I just open it as a tab instead. I feel that I am, surprisingly, very productive with this setup, and overall with the chaotic style of organizing stuff.
I feel like Vivaldi already has it all and is around for a very long time compared to Arc, so honestly I'm quite sceptical about it. And hacking your way to build the Swift on Windows even though might be amazing, also sounds like trouble.
Vivaldi user here as well and I feel the same
Im not a Vivaldi user, but I agree with the troublesome swift application on windows. Interesting, but not ideal.
From a business point of view, I agree about Swift, but personally, I really hope that it becomes more of a mainstream language and stuff like this helps it
Building Swift on Windows is not hacky, Swift has officially supported that for over 3 years
i have thus far been unsuccessful in replicating arc's workflow on vivaldi tho, any tips?
After getting used to Vivaldi, without even touching most of its features, the gestures became second nature so much so, that when using other browsers, I try to open or close a tab with a gesture and get confused for a second, haha
I've always used Gesturefy on Firefox for gestures. Tried vivaldi the last month and was nice seeing it natively implemented.
this is why I'm against using tools that require different shortcuts or gestures, muscle memory is pita. About 10 years ago I wrote a script for a program to make my own shortcuts via F key behavior. A few years back I ended up using the same program on someone laptop my first reaction was to use my shortcuts. Today I don't use any shortcuts aside from the obvious ctrl + c, etc.
Also, it’s very clear that spaces are for physical organization, profiles are for isolation
im on the windows beta and tbh the worst part of it is how it adds a top bar for no apparent reason.
i got 500+ tabs open in my firefox, closing after 7 days is a no go, i am not done with my work with the tabs in 7 days
Arc is defintiely not perfect, but man it's a joy to use. I never expected to be ditching Chrome within a year when I got my Arc invite in 2022
Twitch works with Edge vertical tabs no problem. Separation, grouping tabs, profiles, etc. Why would you use Arc if it's just worse Edge?
new shiny thing
Edge is great
Edge has tons of useless Microsoft bloat that *gets in your way* very badly. Source: I was Edge user for a very long time, but despite all my attempts, including making a huge bootstrap bat file with bunch of feature flags to disable things like Games or upsells, I've eventually found them adding more and [Do you want to reset your settings to Microsoft ones?] more bloat so off-putting I just switched [There's no need to download a new browser. Microsoft recommends ...] to Firefox. Not regretting it a slightest, even though I miss features like Read aloud a lot.
I can't see anything special in Arc, Edge, Sidekick offer vertical tabs also and the experience are more intuitive than Arc exp.
The whole video and it's criticism are useless when he doesn't understand the difference between spaces and profiles.
In Windows we have the wonderful Edge browser (if you don't notice its obnoxiousness in advertising Microsoft products), which has borrowed some successful solutions from Arc and from other browsers (vertical tabs, window splitting, fast profiles switching for example).
Wish it could have been easier, but everything you get from Arc out of the box is very possible to achieve in Firefox. It takes some elbow grease, but I even managed to reach near-identical UI and UX experiences with extra capabilities and fixes (e.g. auto-hiding the sidebar to expand above the webpage, fixing the page width closer to standard aspect-ratios and preventing layout shifting risk) that I'm sure will land on Arc in later releases.
Firefox does suffer from the same issue of feature prioritisation conflicting with reasonable expiations from the user-base, but it's still worth investing into as the most promising alternative to compete with Chrome and Google's monopolization of the web platform.
Has anyone else tried Vivaldi? It's been my main for almost 2 years now and I love it
the benefit of not using a profile is that you don't have login again in those profiles in all the accounts you want to access.
Not seeing the URL bar is SOOOOO fucking frustrating for me… If they at least added the option to enable developer mode globally (dev mode shows a blue bar with full url and some buttons, but only for a specific domain) I could swallow it, but the current state is not acceptable at all… Also, I’m daily driving Safari because the “tab overview” feature is a game changer for me and I can’t live without it, whenever I have like 15 tabs of docs open, I just zoom out and I see a grid of all my tabs and it’s perfectly readable (on retina screen anyway 😃), and I can find a tab I want in seconds… the closest thing to this was alt tabbing on windows when using Edge (it showed each tab in the window switcher), but even that is not that good. Sorry, rant over 😂
View -> Show Toolbar, will persist the URL bar at the top, always.
Also there is no conept of bookmarks where I just want to save some links without having a tab saved. because If I wanna move out of arc there is no way to export this list.
Microsoft edge feels superior in every way, vertical tabs, profiles, workspaces, copilot, performance. and can be customized a lot. used all the browsers but edge has been my primary browser for almost 2 years and don't think i'll switch to any other.
I agree!!
I haven't looked at Arc but I hate the opinionated idea that tabs go away on their own. Anyway, I'm in the process of dropping Chrome for Vivaldi - have you looked at it?
You can disable it if you want. I personally think it's brilliant, have it set to auto-close after 30 days.
i tried Arc a long time ago, but the problem was: they use differnt shortcuts, so my muscle memory (settled from chrome usage) was against me, and Arc Support was not giving a solution, how to have shortcuts like in Chrome.
I stopped then using Arc :/
I was going to try out Arch. But the concept of profiles is crucial for me. So I'll wait 😅
Profiles are there, fully implemented. The complaint was that Spaces aren't by default linked to Profiles. You can customize it manually though.
Is it open-source or is it yet another potential spyware?
It's Chromium
So it's open-source Chrome (still developed by Google with Google things)
@@IndigoVoltage Being based on Chromium doesn't mean it's open-source though, just like Chrome is not open-source
I wonder what people think about Edge. I moved over to it when I used a lower powered Apple M1 for work and Edge allowed me to get work done on my 13 inch M1 with 8GB. Even though I have 16 inch M1 with 64GB RAM now I am still on Edge. What I like about it is that it’s like Chrome just better and more efficient.
I've used Edge for around 2 years now, this due to that it renders like Chrome but manages system resources much, much ... better.
Chrome also has gone way off what it initially was -- a light and fast browser.
@@TommieHansen Chrome was never never never ever light and fast.
Back when Battlefield 3 was started via the browser, the devs even recommended people to switch to firefox for higher ingame performance.
@@Murv I guess you weren't around when it first launched. It blew everybody's minds how fast and light it was, compared to the competition, which was pretty much just Firefox or 4 different awfully slow versions of IE.
@@marcelo-ramos It was fast, but never ever light
Is this the youtube's version of writer's block.
Hot Take: If it doesn't come to Linux I don't want to use it (because I can't)
When you started talking about browsers that introduce meaningful features, I was sure you were going to say you switched to Vivaldi. If I was not a die hard Firefox user, that's what I'd use. If you haven't tried tiled tabs and stacked tabs, you are missing out
Tiled tabs exist on Arc as well (its called split views). Haven't used stacks but I think that might be like folders in Arc? Either way, def agree that these are pretty killer features to have.
for me its more the mouse gestures that I miss on other browsers, with a simpl swipe i close or re open a tab switch the tabs etc.
To always see the *full* url for a page you're visiting in Arc, do these 2 things (Mac users)
- View > Show Toolbar
- Arc > Setitngs... > Advanced > Show full URL when Toolbar is enabled.
I switched to arc browser recently, it’s so worth it. It’s the basic browser experience so fun again
who tf was the one who raised their hand and said "swift, we'll worry about cross platform later"
wrappers on wrappers on wrappers
I tend to default back to Safari, but I do really like Arc. I agree about disliking context being lost in the url, like right now I know I'm on youtube, the url should show the more relevant part (the channel/user). The side by side is really cool, not always a fan of disappearing tabs (as someone who opens then and only eventually closes them)
What a programming influencer moved to Arc?! THIS IS UNHEARD OF! 😂
feel like many of these critique points coming from a very heavy power users perspective. like the zooming critique, most ppl aren't streamers. feels bit nitpicky.
would also argue most ppl don't care about the URL one bit. if they even know how it works lol. so thinking removing it from your view makes the browser less clutter. a big thing why I like it so much. its so much less useless information everywhere.
"I'm shilling your product-give me stuff, damnit!"
Bro said the quiet part out loud 😂
firefox 🔛🔝
Arc!
@@NithinJune ?
@@regis9596 arc is a great browser
Honestly the only thing Firefox has got going for it is that it doesn't use chromium
@@unplandsitchand its a big thing
I started using arc way back when it was fairly new for mac and needed an invite. I found that for dev work it wasn’t great and had a few issues - thankfully they’ve fixed these issues and I bloody love it (though I am mostly a windows user at the moment for work)
Google is an ad company. Anything that doesn't help their ads gets killed, forgotten or nerfed
I dumped Chrome
Got to Opera
Got to Firefox
Got to Chrome
Got to Edge
Got to Vivaldi
And now I will remain with Chrome
I am happily giving Arc another try when they are ready for windows. I use both, macos and windows regularly but as long as they aren't ready yet I still use brave
The Windows Beta is. NOT. Ready. For anyone using the Mac version…it’s really early still
Arc is ok, but i think we should be more critical with privacy problems. Arc does not address these other than not sending your analytics directly to google.
That's why i am on brave, and theres no way i am changing right now. From a UI perspective Arc is really cool though. I just wish these features come to a more privacy based browser or they add some privacy features.
Honestly I think a lot of what you said were purely subjective, for instance the point about the URL bar. Arc is aimed towards the general public and seeing the query params or even the path within a website is something only devs would care about. The point about spaces has already been made, but also the setting for the UI decision made for pinning of extensions. It's such a nitpicky detail that if arc were to address that feature, there would be a lot more decisions that various people were unhappy with, for which settings would have to be introduced for as well.
URLS affect alot of people not just devs.
That's silly to argue in favor of LESS infomed internet users.
It's like saying only mailmen care about the actual address of something, or only bankers care about routing numbers.
A hard to see url, or URL-barless, browser increases ability to be scammed, to no be informed when being tracked through urls, to not see when a typo has been made leading to a 404 or a typosquatter etc etc .
Just like accessibility ramps being opposed they are incredibly useful to have built in for the every day person and not have to add them retroactively. The difference between spaces with and without is staggering.
The general public not caring about something UNTIL it affects an individual segment directly is a poor way to view UX.
Which is exactly why I specified the general public doesnt care much for query PARAMS. Arc DOES have the option to show the URL in itself (as theo has already enabled the setting for). Phishing attacks and similar happen by redirecting to a fishy website, not a legit website with questionable query parameters. @@TheNewton
While I’m an Arc fanboy and their top 1% contributor, its important to say - all Chromiums (yes, including Arc and Edge) consistently use 5-10x more energy in non-sythetic tests. On tip of that Arc turns into a laggy piece of crap whenever you get below 20% battery as it caps fps.
i dunno vivaldi can do vertical tabs too with sections
I agree with everything Theo mention here but the one thing is that I achieve everything this video mention in... Firefox.
You can even achieve vertical tabs by modifying the browser UI altogether because, surprise surprise, even Firefox uses CSS for their styling!
You guys are web engineers, you can just hack your browser to do it.
In Arc, wouldn't you just create a -new tab with a -different profile with the -same google sign-in.
I feel you fundamentally misunderstand the bookmarks. It is identical to chrome, in the sense one should be able to access them no matter where they are in the browser. As a college student, all my profiles are my different classes and the associated classes with them. The one common thing they have is a canvas page. Rather than pinning canvas to each profile, why would I not just bookmark canvas?
Theo's take is quite the Arc n00bie's take. He hadn't worked out pinned extensions, Ctrl-D dev mode which shows the full URL bar, and the concept of Spaces, which quite different to the UX of Chrome profile. Very opinianated and incomplete take! Things he talks about are his own niggles, not bugs or bad UX, in my opinion. Downloads and Spaces view is quite slow, that's true. I maintain 10+ spaces, it's an awesome King feature of Arc. Well done guys, you built something that's changed my life.
yeah i don't think the persistence issue between spaces is a bug or an implementation problem. it's just not what it's meant to be imo
You can set the url bar to be up top and show the whole url.
I've been using Edge for 3 years now and I don't think I'm switching for the next 5 years
This is gonna sound weird but idc about vertical space, I need that horizontal space.... I have about 8 extensions pinned and need to view the full URL a lot for debugging and making easy changes. I don't like Chrome but they are lightyears ahead with development for many use cases
I hope chrome will build a sidebar like this soon
I use Arc as well, and for me the biggest draw is that I can have multiple "spaces" (the icons at the bottom) instead of multiple windows open, which makes things soooo much easier.
They lost me at the point where making an account Is a requirement to use the damn thiing
I just dont understand why you would want to lose so much screen space to have a sidebar that you aren't using most of the time
So I Finally Ditched Chrome... For Arc which is also Chromium aka chrome based
Microsoft Edge had the same sidebar tabs for a very long time (with groups which is amazing for organization), it has a lot more other features than arc too, so I prefer using it instead :)
I don't care about "swift on windows" it's an irrelevant technical detail and I don't see the point of highlighting it in all of their social media this much.
That's a wonderful video about why I shouldn't (yet) use Arc
Dude! I love the sidebar setup here.
it's a very niche browser, i only use it to play videos on a vertical monitor without entering fullscreen, and without all the url bars.
i kinda wish chrome had zen mode
modern anti-charisma bugman
This looks like a browser designed for persistent tabs. Personally I have Firefox configured to automatically clear my browser history when it closes, I never keep tabs open for long. I also don't like how small the URL bar is, it sounds really annoying to do web development when you always have to click to see the full URL.
These are the kind of software that has no practical advantage but some people use it because its looks great
the zoom thing to me, feels like you should just have a different profile for the stream then. the whole point of the spaces with the same profile IMO is that they are the same browser, but you are just context switching but you expect to have the same logins/settings/etc, so if you want different zooms, then its not the same profile, and should setup another profile accordingly. That being said, would be nice to somehow import/export settings between profiles
they things you mention as things you dont like, are the things that I do like. they were explained in the onboarding. The top sections is supposed to be on all spaces with the same profile, thats the expected behavior. it really just sounds you are trying to do what its not setup to do, and then complaining about it. even though you could just create another profile and have it work exactly the way you would expect no problem
and after seeing this video, if i was Arc, i wouldnt fast pass you in either. you dont like some of the core features of the browser, and you run a channel with a large audience, so when you inevitably gripe about arc on windows, it puts out negativity around it.
Wait... There is no way to use this browser without creating an account? That's I guess a new level. I believe it's not an issue for many people but definitely worth mentioning.
i think instead of removing things, they should design the new things and allow the old implementation through a toggle for most of these complaints
I went to the Arc website to check out the product and it legit maxed out my CPU while I was there. What on *earth* are they doing with that site?
Memory management sucks still so I gave up on Arc for third time already.
It slows my M1 mac with 16gb ram to a halt every time.
The great suspender” works but if you split screen, it suspends the other window.
This is only good if you have the patience to manually turn on/off tabs.
Arc is great! But yeah.. the download button is messed up 😅
Profiles is also weird, in the end I just have to use a different profile for each space
I hate the fact that you can't sync desktop Arc with your mobile Arc browser, I mean there is a mobile browser from Arc team but it is not working properly
Different zooms I want this desperately! I find it so so so so annoying. Zoom in on one tab and the other tabs get zoomed in too (chrome) idk if this is the same on Arc
Can't arc just put the side broswer on top of the website when hovered?
Theo, onde little secret feature Chrome have is the F11 Key, Man, Thais is blow your mind, really.
I've used Arc for a long time and I love it with the profiles/workflow, especially cause I need to be signed in to about 3 accounts for work. However, they seem to be shifting hard to the AI route so I'm a bit worried about Arcs future, might have to switch back to chrome.
Does profile sync finally work? I need synced profiles, otherwise I cannot use arc productively 😔
I use edge now. Deleted chrome.
also i don't recall but did you ever mess with the Boost feature? it allows you to customize sites to an extent
I can’t see the advantage of using Boost, how do you use it ?
@@esnho it's just a neat little customization feature where you can create a preset style for each site. allows you to change the hue of the site and make it darker or lighter.
Yes the biggest bump is that it is not Open source. Rest the browser is totaly cool
Why not just use Edge?
It is a chrome... but it is written in Swift? Do I miss something?
Would be really interested in the Swift on Windows video