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Sadly the Muck-e is NOT a Mustang 🐎, it's a DONKEY made in Mexico. the Muck-e is OVERWEIGHT and too HEAVY, it weighs Hundreds of pounds more than a PLAID with 3 motors. and FORD has CRAP infotainment and Software. good luck with the COOLANT system not LEAKING.
Do we expect all EV manufacturers build their own charging station grid? What a waste! They should be standardised and open for everyone. Let‘s not repeat the mistakes of the past!
Ok sure the Tesla is a winner but to be frank. For a purely 1st attempt by Ford this is damn incredible Remember Ford is a 18 USD vs 200+ USD per share company. And yet its flexed its EV muscle damn close to a tech giant like Tesla. I think Ford engineers deserves some real credit to have not completely copy a rival and yet ve a unique BeV that frankly felt better to drive and has good range than what even Giants like Porsche, Audi, Volvo, VW etc were able to make Every Tesla fan wants Ford, GM etc to die. But I feel that they shud b given a chance and given a chance Ford did extremely well
A performance Mach E with five seconds of limited performance = fail in my book. A better solution would be to throttle back on the high performance once the range decreases to 75 - 100 miles.
The problem is the thermal management of the batteries, not range. Batteries can only sustain a high power output for a short amount of time before they get too hot
With our Tesla if you floor it here and there you can actually hear the cooling/hearing system come online. It’s a running joke when driving because it’s like it’s saying “Oh you wanna drive hard? Lemme get my batteries ready for ya!”
I surely hope Ford pays attention to this. The 5 second rule is actually worse, it's diminishing full power based on speed. So at 70mph, you loose about 200 HP. I'm a GTPE owner and i live my life 5 seconds at a time.
I have one GT performance grabber blue got in October pre-ordered in May ..amazing car much better looking than tesla model y..but with a big limitation that ford unfairly doesn't tell the buyers to sell more and almost a brake deal for me that I use to have performance cars.. YOU CAN NOT HAVE THE FULL POWER FOR LONGER THAN 5 SEC AT THE TIME THAN THE SOFTWARE CUT THE POWER TO HALF TO COOL AND PRESERVE THE BATTERIES..THIS MEANS YOU CAN NOT DRIVE REALLY AGGRESSIVE AND YOU CAN FORGET TO PERFORM AT THE TRACK BECAUSE EVERY 5 SECS YOUR CAR WILL CUT THE POWER IN HALF AND WAIT COUPLE OF SECS TO RECOVER UNTIL NEXT CUT..ANYWAY VERY VERY ANNOING😬..FORD GIVES YOU A UNBRIDLED EAXSTEND MODE ("TRACK MODE") BUT IT IS ANOTHER SCAM BECAUSE JUST CUT HALF OF YOUR POWER FROM THE BEGINNING SO THE CAR HAS NOT TO DO LATER..FORD DOESN'T TELL YOU THIS..OTHER COMPANY(PORCHE/AUDI) TELL YOU WILL HAVE A BOOST FOR LAUNCH THAN YOU POWER WILL BE LESS.. TESLA MODEL WHY LOOKS LIKE A FISH BUT AT LEAST PUSH HARD WITHOUT ANY CUT OF POWER..I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE BETTER ENGEGNERING OR JUST THEY CARE LESS ABOUT THE BATTERIES🤔 I WAITED SO MUCH FOR THIS CAR THAT COSTED ME 70K😬😱 AND THAN FORD CAME OUT WITH THIS TYPE OF SCAM ..UNFAIR AT LEAST😬😱 THE LIMITATION IS JUST SOFTWARE ANYWAY FOR MY UNDERSTANDING SO THEY COULD FIND THE WAY TO REMOVE SAFTLY THIS LIMITATION🤔😬
I decided not to get the GT since I would basically be paying almost exclusively for looks and Magne-Ride. It would never see a track. The Premium will be enough performance to make my daughter giggle when I hit the accelerator.
@@anto6408 Sell it. You'll get more than what you paid for it right now. This is obviously the wrong car for you. Ford is warrantying their battery for EIGHT YEARS. Yes, they're going to tweak the software to preserve that battery so you're not burning through it in half the time, and at their expense.
The difference being Ford has produced and supported reliable vehicles for years; Tesla's still are not a complete product. Ford knows what brings buyers back in to buy another is making cars with comfortable, well thought out interiors people still love years later. The summary of this video sums up why the Mach-e was selling as fast as Ford can make it. If you want a track car why are you buying an EV to begin with?
I don’t get why Ford & other traditional OEM’s haven’t installed chargers in all of its dealerships…they’re basically convenient everywhere, and it could be a way for the dealership to make xtra money from their parking lot space.
Why would anybody want chargers at dealerships? You need fast chargers only when traveling long distances, so you need them on interstates, highways, etc.
A year after this video was posted, we bought a Tesla Model Y. Price, charging network, features, and safety all combine to make a very compelling car. My last two new cars were both Fords, Mustang GT and Fusion. I still have the fusion, but I only drive it around town now, trips are for the Model Y. Dealers are killing the Mach-E by tacking on "market adjustment" surcharges. After the Tesla purchase experience, I don't ever want to go to a traditional dealership again.
I completely disagree on the FSD. Having used both, Teslas are years ahead. Tesla can be used in the city and highway. It can recognize and stop at red lights or stop signs. It can exit a highway on its own. And it works everywhere. It’s not geofenced. Ford only works on premapped highway roads. It can not be used on city streets. The reporter also left out one of Teslas best features: it has over the air updates. It’s been doing this since 2012. Mach E is supposed to get them, but last I checked, they still can’t do it. Teslas also have TH-cam, Netflix, and many other entertainment options. It’s like owing an iPhone instead of an old Nokia. Mach E is not even close yet.
@@socalsp3 What do u need that shit for when Tesla's native infotainment is way better? I never found myself thinking "oh it would be nice Android auto". R u kidding me?
Lets look at this from a safety standpoint. The ford has a set of cameras pointing at your eyes to make sure you are paying attention. I don't think Tesla has that. So what is that worth when you are the passenger, or letting other family member drive your EV? Just trying to look at this from all perspectives.
@@jamesseay9943 the newer Tesla models have the interior camera now too. To me it’s much safer having to hold the wheel. Having your eyes on the road and not holding the wheel could cause a delayed reaction to an emergency. Teslas require both. Eyes on the road and hands on the wheel. So from a safety standpoint, using your metrics, Tesla wins again. Plus all teslas have received the highest safety scores of any vehicles tested.
I completely agree, I've been dying to see two brand new performance versions of these two vehicles do a drag race. This was a prime opportunity to do so and you didn't deliver. Hope you can in the future. Preferably with the same model year.
I own a Model Y Performance. So I'm definitely biased here! Several reasons I'm sticking with my Model Y. One is FSD (I just got the update for Beta and it is so cool). Second is efficiency. Sure, the range of the Mach-E and the Model Y are essential the same. But the Model Y uses it's energy better and can do so with a smaller battery. That means quicker charges. Speaking of charging, the EA chargers are terrible. I tried one with a Taycan my local Porsche dealer was lending out. It sucked! And the charge curve on the Mach-E leaves a lot to be desired. The $7.5k tax incentive is a good reason to get the Mach-E. But, I just don't think I'd ditch my Model Y yet.
I bought the Ford Mustang Mach-e GT Performance Edition, and I’m very pleased. I drive it in unbridled mode with propulsion sound turned on and do not use one pedal driving. The propulsion sounds is not a V8 mimic, it is actually the sound coming off the electric motors being amplified and pumped into the cabin. I find the sound helpful during acceleration to gauge audibly what the car is doing. The throttle response is smoother in unbridled when not using one pedal driving. The regenerative braking works regardless of which mode you have it in. The ride and steering feel are firm and responsive. I like it that way. One of my other cars is a Porsche Boxster, so I compare the steering and suspension firmness and the car’s responsiveness to that. The GT PE is much heavier than the Boxster and I can’t fling it around a corner the same way, but if you go into a corner a little slower and hit the throttle after the apex of the turn it is a lot of fun. The ride quality is firm but smooth. The fit and finish and build quality are great. There are no creaks or rattles or panel gaps like the T cars. In real world driving I have not found the so-called five second rule to be a problem. How often do step on the throttle all the way for more than five seconds in a row? With power and torque like this you don't need to. I have learned to warn passengers to put use their headrests before I hit the throttle hard, because otherwise there is a risk of whiplash just from the throttle response. when passing on a two way road it can get going faster than any reasonable person needs in a matter of a couple seconds, I mean eye-watering fast. It is all around the best car I've ever driven.
So after 5 seconds your GT turns back into a standard Mach e. Lol The non performance Tesla's are faster and quicker in a 1/4 mile than the GT performance
100%, I’ve been driving electric without gas with Tesla since 2017, while the facts in the vid for Tesla could have been portrayed in a better way, this isn’t rivalry, it’s simply every car has its pros and cons.
I thought I would easlly chose the mach e gt. I saw it at Laguna at a Ford stand and I thought it looked great. But what's the point of performance if you can't even use it. I use my friends early production model 3 to drive into the hills all the time. We are always giving it alot of throttle. If the mach e can't even survive 5 seconds of acceleration on flat ground how would it do trying to climb hills quickly or making a high speed pass on the interstate. It's like they sold a mustang GT 5.0 with the cooling system from a focus.
Actually, those other use cases would be perfect for the Mach-E. It is (currently) limited for more than 5 seconds in full-on 0-VMAX mode. In any other contexts, especially things like high speed passes, it's excellent.
To be honest that fords screens reminds me of an android tablet with plasticy knob while the teslas screen reminds me of a refined apple tablet that just works .
It's unfortunate a 2021 Model Y was not available for this test. Using an almost 2 year old electric vehicle, I would assume battery has degraded some (charging habits) which would impact your range test. I could only imagine the degradation from a mach e in 2 years. Looking forward to the head to head track video.
To run a Model Y that is over a year old where Tesla is consistently changing how they produce their cars is disingenuous. Why not use a 2021 Tesla just like they used a 2021 Ford?
Other outlets have compared the Model Y to the Mustang Mach E and come to similar conclusions. So even if this only one data point, the trend is that the Y LR and the longer range Mach E variants are either nearly equal or with a slight advantage to the Ford. Simple as that.
I have a 2016 model S. I have a 2021 Mach E GT. So I'm pretty objective. 2:37 shows how poor is the Tesla body quality. I experienced the same thing on my model S. So from a body quality perspective, the Mach E is way better.
Drivetrain built quality is something this review didn’t cover. That’s why I went with the model y. Watch sandy Monroe to get an idea of the drivetrain / cooling build quality.
The front shots of that Model Y are killing me. Your hood is warped and I can't not see it (7:10). The generally shoddy quality control coming out of Tesla lately are what finally pushed me to look at other cars. I have a Mustang Mach-E on order now.
The 5 sec issue with the Mach E is a deal breaker for me. Totally NOT interested anymore until they change this… luckily they have over the air updates. Who knows???????
I still took delivery of my MME GT non performance and sold my 3.5 year old Model 3 Performance and have zero regrets. If looks are important to you the MME wins completely, if comfort, fun, well built are also factors it wins.. it’s not slow by any means. It’s got a TON of torque and even though my Model 3 Performance was quicker in all measurements, to 70 MPH the MME almost feels faster. I believe that is due to the Torque of 600+lbs.. anyway it’s a great vehicle. Yes I do hope and agree they unless more with OTA and suspect they are just being conservative- time will tell
@@brittanymiller7479 I work in commercial sales at a Ford dealership and I’ve driven the GT and GT performance several times but this five second issue is still a dealbreaker for me. The F150 lightning does not have the five second issue👍🏽👍🏽
I'm a MME fan. The MME GT PE actually does have something called "Unbridled Extend" drive mode for the track. Interesting though, it reduces full power so you get more track laps. I do wish the GT PE didn't handcuff the full power for only 5 seconds at a time from a start. It puts the quarter mile time at around 12.5 seconds. It would hang with the MY PE for the first 75 MPH, then the MY would walk away. Best we can tell, Ford is being conservative on long term battery wear and tear; its their first year model, right?
About navigation, when you say that without reception the maps are just going to disappear... that's just not true. Map and routing data is downloaded periodically and kept in car. Without any reception, at worst you loose just the satellite images. You had the car for over a year and didn't know that?
More than 5 at full throttle unless you are in the unbridled extend mode. Then it is a bit slower. But unless you are racing, which I never do it would be not big deal.
After 5 seconds at full power, the Mustang falls on its face. Ford needs to fix that!!! I believe Ford will figure it out. This is the first model year.
Blue cruise better than Tesla basic autopilot? Really!? I don’t think 🤔 so… We have to be honest here and real: Tesla is the most advanced « autopilot » that comes with the car. And we don’t even talk about the beta versions that the Tesla owners (with good score 98 % and above) are testing now.
Great video, Ryan! Focusing on the NON-performance versions, I have driven both Model Y and Mach-E standard models. Both were impressive and appear to be easy to live with. I own neither of them [laugh now] - well, until my Mach-E order is fulfilled by Ford (est. early January '22) - but here are my thoughts: The things that this video focuses on (performance) is unlikely what the majority of car buyers want from the standard versions. That's not to suggest they want it slow, because the standard versions still deliver better performance (than my '09 Mustang GT actually - sad to say that, but I did). Where Tesla wins in performance (constant performance and best charging network - and I agree), Mach-E should deliver for 95% of buyers' driving needs (rarely need use of charging network if your daily driving is < 200 miles, have a 240v charger at home ready to juice it back up to full, or 90% if capping your charge - which I hear is recommended for battery health - and better physical comforts/treatments where you live the driving experience). In the end, the Mach-E standard wins for our family: better pricing, better looks, better range! What do the rest of you think?
Who doesn't buy FSD while they buy Tesla?! No one will actually drive an SUV on track, and Tesla's FSD is better than Ford. Tesla's autopilot tells you to keep your hand on it is keeping you safe, and Tesla's FSD is actually working in the US.
Ford Mustang GT PE vs. Tesla Model Y PE. Been waiting for this one, Edmunds employs "real world" testing, rather than what the manufacturers claim. Reality rules. For those who are shopping: --Cost: Mustang GTPE $69,800 vs. Tesla Model Y PE $68,700. --0-60 MPH time: Mustang at 3.8 sec. vs Tesla MY at 3.7. Tesla wins the dash to 60, but not by much. Mustang falls on its face after 80 MPH; the Tesla keeps on accelerating. --On the track: Mustang has the more "complete package" but unlike the Tesla, the Mustang is limited to only 5 seconds of full power, which to Edmunds, makes the Tesla a better, "sporty" choice. --Braking from 60 MPH: GTPE 106' to stop vs Tesla Y 108'. Ford wins here. That extra 2 feet of stopping could make a huge difference on the road when you have to slam on the brakes. --Range: Mustang goes 272 miles vs. 263 for the Tesla. That extra 9 miles of range in the Mustang gives it the advantage in the real world. Ever have to walk 9 miles? --Ride comfort: Mustang ride is more balanced, composed and more civilized without creaks and rattles. Seating bolstering in the Mustang is superior. Mustang enjoys Magna Ride. --Touch Screen Tech: Edmunds likes the tech in the Mustang over the Tesla saying the Mustang screen is easier to use and gives you Apple and Android Auto, which Tesla does not offer. --Charging network: Tesla charging network is superior for those who travel in their EVs. Interesting, Elon said he would open his charging network to the others and now we know a huge infusion of government money is coming to add more charging networks for the Fords and others. In my opinion, any Tesla advantage here going to be lost at some point in time, sooner rather than later. --Exterior Looks/Styling: Subjective. Edmunds does not express an opinion here, but I think the Mustang is styled more sporty and looks much nicer. --Autonomous Driving: Edmunds elevates the Mustang BlueCruise "one step" over and above the Tesla "self driving". If Ford can figure out how to give that Mustang more than 5 seconds of full power, the Mustang wins hands down.
9 miles of driving range on a 20% larger useable capacity battery which charges slower? Wow what a staggering advantage for Ford. I've owned over a dozen new Ford's and like the mach e. But team Edison took 4 year's and $11,000,000,000 to produce a solid second place machine. Which Ford is only building so far at less than 1/12th The production volume of the model y. Despite this being the mach e 2nd year of production. Oh yeah the model y is also in its 2nd year of production yet it's the 2nd best selling ev world wide made by tesla you know an actual American based company. Who doesn't assemble their car in Mexico and put batteries from Poland in it. Ford has a ways to go yet. Let's get the lightning out and ramped up(at least that will be built in detroit with batteries from georgia, and they need to start on blue oval city before any thoughts of a victory lap. 😀
@@4literv6 That 9 miles is a pretty long walk out in the middle of nowhere. The point is, Tesla over promises but under delivers. Ford under promises but over delivers when it comes to range. That GT PE they tested was a 21, not a 22. The 22s can be ordered now, but none have yet been delivered. Agree with you that Ford is just now deciding to compete with Tesla, some 5 years later. Ford is just getting started. Elon has certainly put the wheels in motion to disrupt the ICE. Now here come all the others. It will be interesting to watch demand and production over the next few years. Ford certainly knows how to mass produce vehicles, right? Can't wait to see how the F-150 Lightning tests out against the CyberTruck. Do you think Farley will beat Musk to delivery punch?
I might enjoy the Tesla more the one or two times I took it to an actual track. On public roads, I don’t think I’d hit the power limiter very often. Give me that Mach E
I think you lost me when you said you'd elevate blue cruise a step above tesla ap. Clearly you haven't spent much time commuting with either. The blue cruise constantly disengages around mild corners on the highway and does a pitiful job centering vehicle and can't do ANY surface streets, where-as Tesla AP is flawless in execution and can blow through forest roads/twisty's without any issue at speed limits on most surface roads. You might want to review Sandy Monroe's take on blue cruise and discover the nuiances you're missing. As for Tesla being messy at the track, I've been placing first in all the autocross/track events for years now and that is raw times as well as PAX.. so I'm not sure what you're thinking on that one. I do drive the model 3 performance, but the model Y performance is on the same platform etc. For those that say 5 seconds of umph before derating is enough for a GT performance badge mustang are probably ashamed right now.
you mad? tesla "ap" isn't flawless by any means and it surely cant blow through forest roads without any issues . It's more developed than blue cruise, which is expected... but to say it's flawless is only fooling yourself
I drove both. The Tesla just seemed souless. Like I was driving a computer. Mach-E felt much more like a car. But I'm a car guy, not necessarily and "EV" guy. Both solid cars and I'm glad they exist.
I had the same experience. Ended up buying the Mach-E GT. The limited performance boost isn't noticeable on the street and I'd never take a big fat SUV like this to a track, so it was a non-issue for me.
...Tesla sells nothing that competes with Rivian; they have no pickup truck and the Model X is an obscenely expensive minivan with ZERO off-road ability. The Rivian R1S is a real SUV with serious off-road chops. Rivian has backers with an endless supply of money; Ford for expertise in building tough trucks and SUVs, and a real factory that they didn't have to build from scratch. This is a no brainer long term play. .Unlike Tesla, Rivian's customers can get the $7500 federal tax credit. GO RIVIAN!
Hang on... So, the Mach-E rides better, handles better, feels more premium inside, has a longer range and is basically 'as quick' in a drag race, yet it LOSES this head-to-head...??? That makes no sense... :-(
It is impressive that a company actually produced an actual competitor to Tesla and if you think about it Ford is world's first. Unlike any others Ford produced an EV that doesn't have design compromises. Mach-E GT Performance is just as fast, has similar range and it has the same practicality as a Tesla. That's unlike for example Porsche Taycan which was for a bit faster than Tesla Model S but with so many compromises in design practicality. Now Ford is still behind Tesla in technology and charging and Tesla will soon show their new upgrades in the SEXY lineup with the new batteries and possibly even they will integrate their most advanced hardware from Model S Plaid to Model 3 and Y.
The Track battle is completely pointless with these vehicles. NOBODY will do this other than an odd chance just out of interest. So forget that point. The Tesla screen is miles ahead, I have no idea what your are looking at. However, There are some things I would definately take from the Mustang, the power window controls, the volume knob, the actual attempt at a sports version interior (inlcuding the micro suede). The Tesla definately needs the extra screen, however, you missed the fact that the Mustang screen is downright dangerous as it collects most peoples knees. Both need physical knobs for climate. This is from a Model 3 owner... I seriously hate the fact that no physical controls is being rammed down my throat. However, your conclusion that every EV except a Tesla is currently stillborn because charging them suck. With the Super Charger network, don't bother. The other point worth mentioning, is that only Tesla can actually build vehicles in a decent number, and they still can't keep up with demand. The fact is that buying anything but a Tesla EV is a leap of faith currently.
@@ThaDirtyOne7 tell that to the countless MachE owners and enthusiasts on the forums who are upset this wasn’t disclosed anywhere in the buying process.
They "chose" to use pouch cells from LG which have thermal expansion issues (see Chevy bolt and their fire problems when charging - same cells), so it's not really a choice for them to not have this problem. The cell form factor is the issue.
@@ThaDirtyOne7 no prob, anyways good thing to be aware of since I know alot of people are hoping it's just like a software lock or something, but it's more of a hard issue than people realize i think
I own a GT Performance 2021 and Tesla M3 Performance 2021. id say there very close to each other, one drives better the GT and, one has better tech the Tesla. The GT is way more comfortable though but, if I'm going on a long trip I'll take the Tesla there charging network is years ahead of the EA (Electric America). The GT gets way more attention like I have people waiting out in front of my car sometimes when I come out of shopping centers to ask questions about it. Both are great cars the Blue-Cruise is amazing when it works but it's very limited but not much different then my FSD which honestly only works about half the time too (very bad phantom breaking out here where I live guessing the area is not mapped out to great) The GT gets over the est driving the Tesla always is way under (GT is good for 260 I normally get around 270-280) The Tesla is rated for 315 I normally get around 240-250) Both cars cost about the same I paid $70,040 for my GT and I paid $70,560 for the Tesla. Love them both. If I was to keep one it would be the GT hands down just better build, better ride and I charge at home 99% time so the biggest benefit of Tesla does not impact me. (the charging network)
Substract FSD from the Tesla price. Ford doesn't really offer any more functionality than basic autopilot. Suddenly the value proposition looks quite different. Also: have you tried to reduce tire pressure for better ride comfort as Musk suggests on Twitter?
@@NO3V I did then lower the air, but then TPMS (tire pressure monitoring system) senser goes off to refill it. I agree with your statement on the FSD price and if I'm being fully honest that was the biggest waste of money to buy atm I'm sure sometime in the future it will be worth the price but not even close atm.
I thought Edmunds is doing a half decent job of being unbiased for once then bam Blue cruise is ahead of Tesla's FSD LOL! Blue cruise has 0 chance off turning a corner on its own, what an idiotic conclusion to draw.
The biggest issue is that they don’t understand that most people confuse auto pilot with FSD. Those are two different things the Tesla Offers. The people in this channel took advantage of people’s ignorance and pretended like blue Cruise was actually better when in reality FSD is the upgraded version of auto pilot which fall under the category of (Autonomy LEVEL 3.5) which means that most of the time you can let the car drive you ANYWHERE! but for legal reasons, Tesla has to say level 2 because FSD is still in “beta”
Look, afaik Tesla is giving them nothing, no nice payed minivacations to new model presentations, no test drive cars, nothing. So what do you expect? They need to put Ford etc a bit over, so that those continue to give them freebies.
15:20 From what I saw on Munro Live, BlueCruise is adequate if you’re driving on a perfectly straight highway without navigation. Just be careful about the slightest curve, and the exits are up to you!
@@JohnPMiller I believe that just qualifies as cruise control. And not better than an AI driven self driving that is quickly becoming better than a human driver.
@@meho1010 I’d say that BlueCruise is worse than cruise control. With cruise control, you know that it’s up to you to drive. With BlueCruise, it deactivates on turns, and you need to take control right away. I guess that’s why Edmunds didn’t go into the details; it would make them look stupid.
Absolute insanity to consider Ford Blue Cruise as remotely comparable to Autopilot. I drove a Mach E for a week up and down California in August 2021 and it can barely stay in a lane at highway speed. Autopilot is predictive and works everywhere. No comparison whatsoever.
I respect preserving the battery life but agree a hard compromise at that price. Ford tends to play it conservative with their EVs whether it is range or preserving the battery. Works out well in the range where you get more than promised. Hopefully with time and software updates they can loosen the reigns on the power limitations.
I don't know if it's a software fixable issue. The pouch cells they use from LG expand quite a bit when under thermal pressure, so thermal management is an issue. So if you were to have too much thermal pressure by opening up the performance taps all the way, this could be a dangerous thing just because of the type of cells they're using. Tesla uses cylindrical can cells not pouch cells so they don't have same issue
😂 wow! This is so biased towards Ford. There is no way that Ford‘s FSD is better than Tesla‘s. Have you tested it? Have you not seen Ford‘s EVs driving off of the road to where you absolutely have to constantly correct it? I can’t believe that Ford is this desperate.
Lol, Blue Cruise can't even do curves, and they're here choosing it over AutoPilot? AP drives me to work every morning, handling very sharp curves in the road better than human pilots. Edmunds has a hate boner for Tesla, that much is clear.
@@mikebitz7034 Facts not feelings, Mike. Don’t make it personal. Tesla being sold out for the next two years is evidence enough that no one is going to outperform them anytime soon and that is fact. I’m not against Ford I drive one. We just dislike reporting that is not based on facts. So, let’s go Brandon!
i'm surprised you picked the blue cruise over the tesla auto pilot ? Sandy Munro tested the blue cruise on the highway and it was absolutely terrible ? Maybe Ford has tweaked it since then.
They've had to have done some updates to in since that test. I live near that stretch of highway where they filmed that video and tested the same curve in my Mach-E (running production version of the software obviously) where it told him to put his hands on the wheel and I never got saw a prompt to take back control.
They are clearly being paid by Ford, GM, Toyota, and many other companies in sponsorships. Not necessarily to bash on tesla what is a side effect they don’t really care too much to be honest
What? Are you claiming the Ford screen is better in any way? It's vertical, no youtube, no netflix and all that dumb knob does is volume control, which is on steering wheel and is not less distracting to reach for on a screen Autopilot is awesome, I've been using it for almost two years, blue cruise is shit. Their knocks are not justified, they are biased POS. Some things they said maybe true, but because of all their bs, you shouldn't trust anything they say, you can't know if you haven't experienced it yourself. Fuck em, I hope Edmunds disappears with the producers of gas guzzlers and air toxifiers.
@@timmos184 never driven the mach-e. but i own a MYP. i’m just being honest. its not perfect in every way. but i’m never going back. i turn my own wrenches. 20k mi. no issues. love this car. we need ford to be in the game. tesla’s mission is pulling everyone else along and it’s working. but i wouldn’t put money on F. this is not investment advice. do your own research 😜
just to be clear. you’re right, blue cruise is a joke. but most ppl won’t understand why. and the infotainment of the mach-e is subpar. there is no true comparison to tesla. but ford did make an ev that doesn’t totally suck and doesn’t look like an EV-1.
These new EVs benefit us all. We'll have much better options in the future. Tesla has done wonders for this market. After having the Tesla, and then driving the Mach-e, I just much prefer the Ford. I don't do long trips, so charging and range aren't an issue. I suspect 90%+ people probably rarely take their car more than a few hundred miles away. Just a guess. I don't need a race car, they both are more than fast enough for most of us. The Ford is quiet, smooth, and I actually prefer the interior and infotainment layout vs Tesla. And I never have liked the appearance of the M3 or Y. Model S rocks it. I really like the MME look. All very subjective and I don't think you can really go wrong with either.
This is a very true point, Ford dealers, service, warranties, and their credit department are all vultures. I really like the way Fords drive but after having one and dealing with Ford Credit and Ford Service I will probably never own a Ford again, unless it's something special I own outright out of warranty and can afford to have serviced by a quality independent.
@@Trendyflute This might change in the not too long future. Just like you, there are many people that won't by a car from an OEM because of the Dealer Network. They are hurting the manufacturer. In the case of this video, Ford is less competitive because of people like you are buying a car from another manufacturer because of all the issues with the dealers. It's my understanding that Ford launched a program to help future owners find a dealer that would charge MSRP without marking the price up. That was step one. The next step is to sell to the customers directly. Honestly I don't know how they are going to achieve that but they must do it or they are going to continue to loose customers and revenue. They must change because if they don't someone else is going to take those customers. And it has to happen soon if they want to stay competitive.
@@Mustgtcs07 I love the look of ours. I'm still wondering why all the competitors have grills. Talk about ugly and useless but that's where they spend their "design" money instead of on software, OTAs and performance.
Yes I had a rental Model Y for a whole week, here is my 2 cents, Very bumpy ride , rattling noises, range not as promised, the ride had only 10K miles. don't own an EV yet , will not buy a Tesla forsure, I would like to Test out the Mustang GT, so far Not available for rental
@@cessealbeach makes me wonder if a deal like the one with Hertz will actually hurt Tesla as people will be able to try them out like you did and have the mystique brought back down to earth.
You do know that Ford says if you put it in unbridled it's quarter mile times will not be as fast as in general performance mode unbridled design for handling and performance so the power comes on differently it's for spirited road driving
They've talked to the Ford engineers; I'm pretty sure their information is current. Also, Edmonds' take on it is consistent with other reviews I've seen. You get an initial rush of power, and then it tapers off aggressively. The good news, if any, is that all of that can get tweaked in software. That said, my understanding is that the car does try to protect the battery at all times, so even on other models of Mach-E, it will sacrifice power to cool down the battery.
Laughing at folks arguing 0-60 and 1/4 times for daily driver crossovers. Regardless of their horsepower numbers these aren't track machines and never will be. Buy the one that you find attractive, enjoy driving, fits in your budget and you won't have regrets. Basing your decision on "performance" numbers will leave you second guessing yourself after the novelty of stop light racing quickly fades away.
Tesla Model Y is great on the track. Plus, I like to take my car the local strip. There is a reason these numbers matter to people, even if you cannot see it. The MYP is one of the quickest SUVS on a track, and with a couple unplugged performance upgrades, it’s literally THE fastest SUV on a track.
I didn't say they weren't capable of being on the track but 99% of the buyers of these vehicles aren't tracking them period. And if track use is one of the purposes a potential buyer is contemplating then there are much better options out there. This is coming from someone who owns EVs.
@@E_Static I own them as well and performance, aka bragging rights, is essential. Just because you’re a fuddy dud driver doesn’t mean everyone else is.
Edmunds… Out of all tech solutions in Tesla you highlight ‘Fart mode’ . That was pathetic. 1) Autopilot - no FSD, comes standard. It makes driving on highway so easy and safe!! It can keep distance from other cars and stays in the lane. It can do all kinda of highway curves. You are lying to your subscribers. 2) Cameras recordings - 4 cameras record in every direction to USB stick while you drive and make it extremely useful in case of any road incidents. 3) Sentry mode - records anyone moving or touching your car in 4 direction. It sounds alarm inside and out if someone tries to break in. Very useful, especially in California these days. 4) Games and Netflix/ TH-cam . This is so useful when you are charging or waiting for someone. It has access to fast Internet for monthly subscription. Like $12 or some. Saying that everyone prefers a ‘familiar’ knob in the middle of a screen… LOL . Please get someone who is a bit more comfortable with tech to review cars next time. New type of cars will be computer on wheels same as current phones are smart phones.
I heard that the Mach-E does not allow you to run it full throttle more than 3 times due to preserving the battery, is this true? After 3 hard launches the Mach-E goes into limp mode. @8:13 you answered my question. Thank you! This is a deal breaker for me
It’s not exactly limp mode. It’s not that great of a reduction. You probably won’t notice it unless you’re actually at the track. Ford knows most drivers probably aren’t racing these things. At most, they might get on it for a few seconds until range anxiety kicks in. On the flip, I wouldn’t be surprised if the tuners came with a way to override that. Would likely void the warranty unless Ford themselves decide to offer it as an over the air update.
Kinda makes you think about why that is the case though. I know Tesla has streamlined their production process over the years but still makes me curious where other “optimizations” are taking place to get to such margins.
@@Wirmish no but typically performance cars get track tested and I am 100% sure the Tesla is the better handling car and will be faster so I want to see the times
I was riding with my coworker is his Tesla a week ago I was alittle surprised about the rattling noise. It was a bit disturbing but it was a nice ride though.
Did they just run a comparison test between a brand new Mustang GT and a 1 year old Tesla Model Y? Let’s run this test again, a year from now, when the GT is one year old and the Tesla is a brand new one.
Its so funny that even without any other instrumented testing (skidpad, full 1/4 mile, figure 8) that the model y would crush the mach e in. Even with all of the marketing fluff that ford threw in being rattled off without any skepticism at all. EVEN with all the shit talking about how "bad" the model y feels on track. Edmunds still can't recommend the Ford over the model y. The mach e is a chevy bolt on prednisone.
I test drove the Mach E and based on softly I was driving it, it had more range by the time I got back to the dealer. It went from 181 to 188. I was just driving normally too, I thought that was pretty cool. The model Y I drove didn’t seem to be that efficient but I have to say it was more fun than the Mach E
I own the MY Performance and listening to this review is difficult. Him using words like messy, wobbly, loose, etc is absolutely biased and untrue. The MYP is amazing and fun to drive! Off the line, the Mach E GT leads for a quick second or two, but over a quarter mile, the MYP wins! It doesn’t top out or limit you. I guess it just depends on what style you like. It’s like comparing an old school Camaro to Mustang to Charger! They’re all pretty close. Just pick the one that appeals to you!
Big difference between the two: Tesla will cost you the same for everyone who order it online (the only way to buy it new) no dealer or salesman hassle. In Puerto Rico (were I live) Ford dealers are selling the Mach E with a 10K to 15K premium
Blue Cruise over Autopilot? Guess you missed Sandy Munroe's first impression with it - if the highway has a moderate curve Blue Cruises disengages without warning, forcing the user to scramble to grab the wheel in the middle of a bend. No, that isn't more safe.
Sold my horrible build quality 2020 Model Y, and bought a 2021 Mach-E GT. The looks, quality, luxury and fun to drive of the Mach-E leaves the Model Y in its dust. Tesla has a real competitor in the Mach-E. If Ford can keep up with the production and demand of the Mach-E, Tesla will find itself very quickly in deep trouble.
The tesla's made in the US have terrible built quality cos they basically bought the factory from Ford and retrofitted the EV equipment from factory built on ICE cars the cars from shanghai don't have any of these built quality issues .
Model Y all day long. Mach E = zero resale and nobody wants it. Real range on Model my is over 300 in city. Don’t waste your money on that Ford. You will be sorry. And where will you charge. Uh yeah.
I was surprised to hear Blue Cruise out does even Standard Autopilot. Wow! Until I remember Ford saying it is limited to specific parts of the highway excluding on ramps and of ramps. Nice advertising there Edmunds. I'm not a Tesla fan but I work in the Tech industry and I must say. You need some technical understanding to compare a Tesla to a Ford. There's tonnes of differences that if the average person knew they'd run from the Ford. Sandy Monroe did the favor of the comparison and I'd recommend you watch it
The bad battery pouch design of LG in the Ford and Gm voltz is what keep a restriction of only 5 seconds acceleration because is a danger if it get too hot it could 🔥 , in the tech that matters Tesla has better computer , over the air updates faster motors better battery , and charger network, and FSD is in a whole different level do your research
I’d take the ford. Acceleration is fun but after a while it does get old. Plus where I live about 10% of the time I drive can I actually accelerate to any where near either of these capability. However handling is something I can utilize way more often and from what I see the ford takes the win there.
I mean, I prefer Android-based infotainment in general. Which is supposedly the backbone of Ford's new infotainment in their electric vehicles and what Volvo/Polestar uses in theirs.
Android Automotive won’t be showing up in Fords until 2023 and there is no guarantee that the old Mach Es will get a OTA update to switch to using Android Automotive.
So the daily driver street car that is better in all ways except 1/4 mile is the Mach-E GT but you still say the Model Y is better overall because it's faster in the 1/4 mile. Pretty clear who is lining your pockets Edmunds.
It’s nice to see some solid competition against Tesla! The problem is, Tesla’s next change is right around the corner.. when the competition is just finally getting to the party.
I think it’s going to be much faster for the big companies to catch up when they’ve gone through the hardest part ( bureaucratic / polices mine fields) of the race
@@AG-en5y they won’t catch up. They have too much invested in ice vehicles through design, engineering, and manufacturing. Basically they would have to fire most of the old guard and hire new. That’s why these EV start ups are further ahead than OEM’s. Realistically these legacy auto manufacturers are hoping this “EV fad” goes away. GM recently said they are going to “electrify the auto industry”. GM showed up at this years LA auto show with zero, that’s 0, EV’s. Tesla and the Chinese are just too far ahead.
@@AG-en5y it’s Porsche not Ford, GM, or Chrysler. Porsche makes vehicles in extremely less quantities and sells to a different clientele. Legacy have no interest in going electric. The Ford Lighting is a contractors truck. Go ask a contractor if he’s interested in buying an electric Ford F150. There’s a reason the MachE is made in Mexico. It’s much easier to close the plant or discontinue manufacturing without the complaints of American job loss. The thing is if these legacy auto manufacturers do the right thing for their business and go electric, up to 50% of their workforce will be cut. All the way from design, mechanical, and manufacturing engineers to machinists and assemblers. From experience working in these places, I can tell you first hand the old guard does not want to change a thing. They just want to get through the day. This is the reason American legacy manufacturing in the US is doomed to fail.
@@jimbeam4111 says on Ford website that the New Mustang Mach E has 305 miles of range homie. PS pretty sure Mercedes is also coming out with a electric GLK. Anddddd before you go all blah blah European company, it’s owned by Chrysler 😚
@@raydoherty5419 how does it get “demolished” outside of the 1/4 mile? Did you watch or read this? I own one, and just sold my Model 3 Performance/ you have no clue what you are talking about / performance isn’t all about 0-60. My best car by far I own is the slowest by a LOONG shot but will smoke the Y, GT and many others on the track /
Edmunds is owned by CarMax and is highly biased against Tesla! Don’t listen to a word they say here! Edit: By the way, even IF the “Mustang” was competitive (it’s not)…good luck finding one to buy! They made less than 10,000 of them! And they don’t have the batteries to compete! LOL
The moment he was dissing Autopilot and said BlueCruise is better, you can clearly see who is paying for this review. I have used Autopilot for over 100K miles in my Model S, 3 and now Y. There is NOTHING out there comparable. Such a great stress reliever. Yes you need to be attentive but nothing like what this reviewer is making it out to be. There is no way this is a truthful review on Autopilot or Infotainment.
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Sadly the Muck-e is NOT a Mustang 🐎, it's a DONKEY made in Mexico.
the Muck-e is OVERWEIGHT and too HEAVY, it weighs Hundreds of pounds more than a PLAID with 3 motors.
and FORD has CRAP infotainment and Software.
good luck with the COOLANT system not LEAKING.
Do we expect all EV manufacturers build their own charging station grid? What a waste! They should be standardised and open for everyone. Let‘s not repeat the mistakes of the past!
If you don't have the ability to charge at home, you probably shouldn't be buying an EV, period.
@@jamesseay9943 Rapid charging is pure evil
Ok sure the Tesla is a winner but to be frank. For a purely 1st attempt by Ford this is damn incredible
Remember Ford is a 18 USD vs 200+ USD per share company. And yet its flexed its EV muscle damn close to a tech giant like Tesla.
I think Ford engineers deserves some real credit to have not completely copy a rival and yet ve a unique BeV that frankly felt better to drive and has good range than what even Giants like Porsche, Audi, Volvo, VW etc were able to make
Every Tesla fan wants Ford, GM etc to die. But I feel that they shud b given a chance and given a chance Ford did extremely well
A performance Mach E with five seconds of limited performance = fail in my book. A better solution would be to throttle back on the high performance once the range decreases to 75 - 100 miles.
The problem is the thermal management of the batteries, not range. Batteries can only sustain a high power output for a short amount of time before they get too hot
With our Tesla if you floor it here and there you can actually hear the cooling/hearing system come online. It’s a running joke when driving because it’s like it’s saying “Oh you wanna drive hard? Lemme get my batteries ready for ya!”
I surely hope Ford pays attention to this. The 5 second rule is actually worse, it's diminishing full power based on speed. So at 70mph, you loose about 200 HP. I'm a GTPE owner and i live my life 5 seconds at a time.
I have one GT performance grabber blue got in October pre-ordered in May ..amazing car much better looking than tesla model y..but with a big limitation that ford unfairly doesn't tell the buyers to sell more and almost a brake deal for me that I use to have performance cars..
YOU CAN NOT HAVE THE FULL POWER FOR LONGER THAN 5 SEC AT THE TIME THAN THE SOFTWARE CUT THE POWER TO HALF TO COOL AND PRESERVE THE BATTERIES..THIS MEANS YOU CAN NOT DRIVE REALLY AGGRESSIVE AND YOU CAN FORGET TO PERFORM AT THE TRACK BECAUSE EVERY 5 SECS YOUR CAR WILL CUT THE POWER IN HALF AND WAIT COUPLE OF SECS TO RECOVER UNTIL NEXT CUT..ANYWAY VERY VERY ANNOING😬..FORD GIVES YOU A UNBRIDLED EAXSTEND MODE ("TRACK MODE") BUT IT IS ANOTHER SCAM BECAUSE JUST CUT HALF OF YOUR POWER FROM THE BEGINNING SO THE CAR HAS NOT TO DO LATER..FORD DOESN'T TELL YOU THIS..OTHER COMPANY(PORCHE/AUDI) TELL YOU WILL HAVE A BOOST FOR LAUNCH THAN YOU POWER WILL BE LESS..
TESLA MODEL WHY LOOKS LIKE A FISH BUT AT LEAST PUSH HARD WITHOUT ANY CUT OF POWER..I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE BETTER ENGEGNERING OR JUST THEY CARE LESS ABOUT THE BATTERIES🤔
I WAITED SO MUCH FOR THIS CAR THAT COSTED ME 70K😬😱 AND THAN FORD CAME OUT WITH THIS TYPE OF SCAM ..UNFAIR AT LEAST😬😱
THE LIMITATION IS JUST SOFTWARE ANYWAY FOR MY UNDERSTANDING SO THEY COULD FIND THE WAY TO REMOVE SAFTLY THIS LIMITATION🤔😬
I decided not to get the GT since I would basically be paying almost exclusively for looks and Magne-Ride. It would never see a track. The Premium will be enough performance to make my daughter giggle when I hit the accelerator.
@@anto6408 Sell it. You'll get more than what you paid for it right now. This is obviously the wrong car for you.
Ford is warrantying their battery for EIGHT YEARS. Yes, they're going to tweak the software to preserve that battery so you're not burning through it in half the time, and at their expense.
The difference being Ford has produced and supported reliable vehicles for years; Tesla's still are not a complete product. Ford knows what brings buyers back in to buy another is making cars with comfortable, well thought out interiors people still love years later. The summary of this video sums up why the Mach-e was selling as fast as Ford can make it. If you want a track car why are you buying an EV to begin with?
@@Steve-yr5vi you’ve obviously never heard of a model S plaid apparently
I don’t get why Ford & other traditional OEM’s haven’t installed chargers in all of its dealerships…they’re basically convenient everywhere, and it could be a way for the dealership to make xtra money from their parking lot space.
Because DC fast chargers are not cheap! A 250kW charger can cost upwards of $50k with installation. And then there's the maintenance.....
The dealerships don’t belong to Ford probably makes it a little more difficult to decide to do that.
Some do some don't its dealer dependent.
They have though... Like in Floprida they are more convent they telsa's chargers.
Why would anybody want chargers at dealerships? You need fast chargers only when traveling long distances, so you need them on interstates, highways, etc.
A year after this video was posted, we bought a Tesla Model Y. Price, charging network, features, and safety all combine to make a very compelling car. My last two new cars were both Fords, Mustang GT and Fusion. I still have the fusion, but I only drive it around town now, trips are for the Model Y. Dealers are killing the Mach-E by tacking on "market adjustment" surcharges. After the Tesla purchase experience, I don't ever want to go to a traditional dealership again.
Other than never owning a Ford, I agree 100%.
track mode is now on the y performance . Next give us drag mode!
I completely disagree on the FSD. Having used both, Teslas are years ahead. Tesla can be used in the city and highway. It can recognize and stop at red lights or stop signs. It can exit a highway on its own. And it works everywhere. It’s not geofenced. Ford only works on premapped highway roads. It can not be used on city streets. The reporter also left out one of Teslas best features: it has over the air updates. It’s been doing this since 2012. Mach E is supposed to get them, but last I checked, they still can’t do it.
Teslas also have TH-cam, Netflix, and many other entertainment options. It’s like owing an iPhone instead of an old Nokia. Mach E is not even close yet.
Where's apple or Android auto?
@@socalsp3 What do u need that shit for when Tesla's native infotainment is way better? I never found myself thinking "oh it would be nice Android auto". R u kidding me?
Lets look at this from a safety standpoint. The ford has a set of cameras pointing at your eyes to make sure you are paying attention. I don't think Tesla has that. So what is that worth when you are the passenger, or letting other family member drive your EV? Just trying to look at this from all perspectives.
@@jamesseay9943 the newer Tesla models have the interior camera now too. To me it’s much safer having to hold the wheel. Having your eyes on the road and not holding the wheel could cause a delayed reaction to an emergency. Teslas require both. Eyes on the road and hands on the wheel. So from a safety standpoint, using your metrics, Tesla wins again. Plus all teslas have received the highest safety scores of any vehicles tested.
Kinda bummed, I was hoping for a drag race between these two after you teased how good the model Y is at drag races.
Model Y is even better, after taking it to Unplugged Performance garage FIRST and have them TUNE your Tesla.
stay tuned...
@@edmundscars race the same year cars please.
The model Y will walk the drag race easily, will own the GT on the track too.
I completely agree, I've been dying to see two brand new performance versions of these two vehicles do a drag race. This was a prime opportunity to do so and you didn't deliver. Hope you can in the future. Preferably with the same model year.
I own a Model Y Performance. So I'm definitely biased here! Several reasons I'm sticking with my Model Y. One is FSD (I just got the update for Beta and it is so cool). Second is efficiency. Sure, the range of the Mach-E and the Model Y are essential the same. But the Model Y uses it's energy better and can do so with a smaller battery. That means quicker charges. Speaking of charging, the EA chargers are terrible. I tried one with a Taycan my local Porsche dealer was lending out. It sucked! And the charge curve on the Mach-E leaves a lot to be desired. The $7.5k tax incentive is a good reason to get the Mach-E. But, I just don't think I'd ditch my Model Y yet.
I bought the Ford Mustang Mach-e GT Performance Edition, and I’m very pleased. I drive it in unbridled mode with propulsion sound turned on and do not use one pedal driving. The propulsion sounds is not a V8 mimic, it is actually the sound coming off the electric motors being amplified and pumped into the cabin. I find the sound helpful during acceleration to gauge audibly what the car is doing. The throttle response is smoother in unbridled when not using one pedal driving. The regenerative braking works regardless of which mode you have it in. The ride and steering feel are firm and responsive. I like it that way. One of my other cars is a Porsche Boxster, so I compare the steering and suspension firmness and the car’s responsiveness to that. The GT PE is much heavier than the Boxster and I can’t fling it around a corner the same way, but if you go into a corner a little slower and hit the throttle after the apex of the turn it is a lot of fun. The ride quality is firm but smooth. The fit and finish and build quality are great. There are no creaks or rattles or panel gaps like the T cars. In real world driving I have not found the so-called five second rule to be a problem. How often do step on the throttle all the way for more than five seconds in a row? With power and torque like this you don't need to. I have learned to warn passengers to put use their headrests before I hit the throttle hard, because otherwise there is a risk of whiplash just from the throttle response. when passing on a two way road it can get going faster than any reasonable person needs in a matter of a couple seconds, I mean eye-watering fast. It is all around the best car I've ever driven.
Both were not tested at the same time. And also comparing last year car's results to this year.
Tesla is better I'm crying 😭
So after 5 seconds your GT turns back into a standard Mach e. Lol The non performance Tesla's are faster and quicker in a 1/4 mile than the GT performance
No track times between the 2 ? I noticed you were at the track.
yea because that would tosh their rhetoric
Lap times would not follow the narrative of the mustang fanboys.
I just bought my model y performance for 63k, even with all the recent price hikes.
my condolences 😥
Congratulations…….you’re not limited to 5 seconds.
Coming from a MME owner, I say congrats. Each one of us should buy the one that best suites their needs.
100%, I’ve been driving electric without gas with Tesla since 2017, while the facts in the vid for Tesla could have been portrayed in a better way, this isn’t rivalry, it’s simply every car has its pros and cons.
DW about it, model y is a great car.
I thought I would easlly chose the mach e gt. I saw it at Laguna at a Ford stand and I thought it looked great. But what's the point of performance if you can't even use it. I use my friends early production model 3 to drive into the hills all the time. We are always giving it alot of throttle. If the mach e can't even survive 5 seconds of acceleration on flat ground how would it do trying to climb hills quickly or making a high speed pass on the interstate. It's like they sold a mustang GT 5.0 with the cooling system from a focus.
Actually, those other use cases would be perfect for the Mach-E. It is (currently) limited for more than 5 seconds in full-on 0-VMAX mode. In any other contexts, especially things like high speed passes, it's excellent.
A Mustang 5.0 frame with a pinto motor in it 🤣
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr Find me a Pinto that goes from 0 to 60 in 3.8 seconds without an exploding gas tank or a cliff behind it.
@@JonathanEzor you must've miss the joke bro🤷♂️
To be honest that fords screens reminds me of an android tablet with plasticy knob while the teslas screen reminds me of a refined apple tablet that just works .
It's unfortunate a 2021 Model Y was not available for this test. Using an almost 2 year old electric vehicle, I would assume battery has degraded some (charging habits) which would impact your range test. I could only imagine the degradation from a mach e in 2 years. Looking forward to the head to head track video.
These people don’t care to do apples to apples comparison. They never do
Temperature is also a big factor for EVs. I don't think they ran the Tesla again on the same route when they tested the Mach-E
To run a Model Y that is over a year old where Tesla is consistently changing how they produce their cars is disingenuous. Why not use a 2021 Tesla just like they used a 2021 Ford?
Other outlets have compared the Model Y to the Mustang Mach E and come to similar conclusions. So even if this only one data point, the trend is that the Y LR and the longer range Mach E variants are either nearly equal or with a slight advantage to the Ford. Simple as that.
Have you looked at the data for tesla degradation? It's about 1% a year on average. That I'm sure is within their margin of error.
I didn't know about the 5 second rule. You just saved me 70 grand (or more). Thanks.
I have a 2016 model S. I have a 2021 Mach E GT. So I'm pretty objective. 2:37 shows how poor is the Tesla body quality. I experienced the same thing on my model S. So from a body quality perspective, the Mach E is way better.
respect to ford for trying, but Tesla is one damn hard company to beat
Frankly this review sounds as if Ford already beat Tesla is most areas that matter.
if ford doesn't follow Tesla regarding the rights of repair i personnally think it would be a big plus for Ford
It’s a legacy car company which at least in history has always meant being able to have easy access to parts 👍
Drivetrain built quality is something this review didn’t cover. That’s why I went with the model y. Watch sandy Monroe to get an idea of the drivetrain / cooling build quality.
We don't need Carlos Lagos -we have Carlos Lagos at home. At home:
The front shots of that Model Y are killing me. Your hood is warped and I can't not see it (7:10). The generally shoddy quality control coming out of Tesla lately are what finally pushed me to look at other cars. I have a Mustang Mach-E on order now.
The 5 sec issue with the Mach E is a deal breaker for me. Totally NOT interested anymore until they change this… luckily they have over the air updates. Who knows???????
I still took delivery of my MME GT non performance and sold my 3.5 year old Model 3 Performance and have zero regrets. If looks are important to you the MME wins completely, if comfort, fun, well built are also factors it wins.. it’s not slow by any means. It’s got a TON of torque and even though my Model 3 Performance was quicker in all measurements, to 70 MPH the MME almost feels faster. I believe that is due to the Torque of 600+lbs.. anyway it’s a great vehicle. Yes I do hope and agree they unless more with OTA and suspect they are just being conservative- time will tell
I own the gt model and you cannot even tell it had the 5 second power rule. It is super fast and unless you are track racing you would never notice.
@@brittanymiller7479 I work in commercial sales at a Ford dealership and I’ve driven the GT and GT performance several times but this five second issue is still a dealbreaker for me. The F150 lightning does not have the five second issue👍🏽👍🏽
@@IMGONEIN60 to each his own 🤷🏻♀️😊
@@brittanymiller7479 agreed 👍🏽👍🏽
I am a Tesla fan but Ford should have a "Sport" or "Track" mode, especially on the GT. Just an easy over the air update, right?
I'm a MME fan. The MME GT PE actually does have something called "Unbridled Extend" drive mode for the track. Interesting though, it reduces full power so you get more track laps. I do wish the GT PE didn't handcuff the full power for only 5 seconds at a time from a start. It puts the quarter mile time at around 12.5 seconds. It would hang with the MY PE for the first 75 MPH, then the MY would walk away. Best we can tell, Ford is being conservative on long term battery wear and tear; its their first year model, right?
The verdict on Tesla charging is so balanced and true.
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About navigation, when you say that without reception the maps are just going to disappear... that's just not true. Map and routing data is downloaded periodically and kept in car. Without any reception, at worst you loose just the satellite images. You had the car for over a year and didn't know that?
I bet He does.. I was also kind of shocked listening to that maps comment but What can we expect.. Edmunds is always biased against the Tesla..!
Cmon how much 💰 did ford paid you. I wish you could use same year 🚗 to compare.
Let’s see a Mustang GT vs Mach E GT head to head around a track. Then we can see if the Mach E is all hype or if it’s worthy.
The mach e can’t accelerate for more than 5 seconds? LMAO
Yeah that is a total bummer.
More than 5 at full throttle unless you are in the unbridled extend mode. Then it is a bit slower. But unless you are racing, which I never do it would be not big deal.
That is not what he said! Geez!
After 5 seconds at full power, the Mustang falls on its face. Ford needs to fix that!!! I believe Ford will figure it out. This is the first model year.
Sorry, but @7:06 that gap between the B pillar trim and the headliner is just horrible build quality
And the gap between the bumper and the hood
@@danny-FL And the right front running light is falling inside the bumper
Blue cruise better than Tesla basic autopilot? Really!? I don’t think 🤔 so… We have to be honest here and real: Tesla is the most advanced « autopilot » that comes with the car. And we don’t even talk about the beta versions that the Tesla owners (with good score 98 % and above) are testing now.
Great video, Ryan! Focusing on the NON-performance versions, I have driven both Model Y and Mach-E standard models. Both were impressive and appear to be easy to live with. I own neither of them [laugh now] - well, until my Mach-E order is fulfilled by Ford (est. early January '22) - but here are my thoughts: The things that this video focuses on (performance) is unlikely what the majority of car buyers want from the standard versions. That's not to suggest they want it slow, because the standard versions still deliver better performance (than my '09 Mustang GT actually - sad to say that, but I did). Where Tesla wins in performance (constant performance and best charging network - and I agree), Mach-E should deliver for 95% of buyers' driving needs (rarely need use of charging network if your daily driving is < 200 miles, have a 240v charger at home ready to juice it back up to full, or 90% if capping your charge - which I hear is recommended for battery health - and better physical comforts/treatments where you live the driving experience). In the end, the Mach-E standard wins for our family: better pricing, better looks, better range! What do the rest of you think?
Get the tesla, you will regret not getting it.
Yeah, what every 18-year-old boy wants - a tall station wagon.
Who doesn't buy FSD while they buy Tesla?! No one will actually drive an SUV on track, and Tesla's FSD is better than Ford. Tesla's autopilot tells you to keep your hand on it is keeping you safe, and Tesla's FSD is actually working in the US.
Ford Mustang GT PE vs. Tesla Model Y PE. Been waiting for this one, Edmunds employs "real world" testing, rather than what the manufacturers claim. Reality rules.
For those who are shopping:
--Cost: Mustang GTPE $69,800 vs. Tesla Model Y PE $68,700.
--0-60 MPH time: Mustang at 3.8 sec. vs Tesla MY at 3.7. Tesla wins the dash to 60, but not by much. Mustang falls on its face after 80 MPH; the Tesla keeps on accelerating.
--On the track: Mustang has the more "complete package" but unlike the Tesla, the Mustang is limited to only 5 seconds of full power, which to Edmunds, makes the Tesla a better, "sporty" choice.
--Braking from 60 MPH: GTPE 106' to stop vs Tesla Y 108'. Ford wins here. That extra 2 feet of stopping could make a huge difference on the road when you have to slam on the brakes.
--Range: Mustang goes 272 miles vs. 263 for the Tesla. That extra 9 miles of range in the Mustang gives it the advantage in the real world. Ever have to walk 9 miles?
--Ride comfort: Mustang ride is more balanced, composed and more civilized without creaks and rattles. Seating bolstering in the Mustang is superior. Mustang enjoys Magna Ride.
--Touch Screen Tech: Edmunds likes the tech in the Mustang over the Tesla saying the Mustang screen is easier to use and gives you Apple and Android Auto, which Tesla does not offer.
--Charging network: Tesla charging network is superior for those who travel in their EVs. Interesting, Elon said he would open his charging network to the others and now we know a huge infusion of government money is coming to add more charging networks for the Fords and others. In my opinion, any Tesla advantage here going to be lost at some point in time, sooner rather than later.
--Exterior Looks/Styling: Subjective. Edmunds does not express an opinion here, but I think the Mustang is styled more sporty and looks much nicer.
--Autonomous Driving: Edmunds elevates the Mustang BlueCruise "one step" over and above the Tesla "self driving".
If Ford can figure out how to give that Mustang more than 5 seconds of full power, the Mustang wins hands down.
You have so many lies in this post I couldn't finish reading it.
And that will certainly be a software update for the future!
9 miles of driving range on a 20% larger useable capacity battery which charges slower? Wow what a staggering advantage for Ford.
I've owned over a dozen new Ford's and like the mach e. But team Edison took 4 year's and $11,000,000,000 to produce a solid second place machine. Which Ford is only building so far at less than 1/12th The production volume of the model y.
Despite this being the mach e 2nd year of production. Oh yeah the model y is also in its 2nd year of production yet it's the 2nd best selling ev world wide made by tesla you know an actual American based company. Who doesn't assemble their car in Mexico and put batteries from Poland in it.
Ford has a ways to go yet. Let's get the lightning out and ramped up(at least that will be built in detroit with batteries from georgia, and they need to start on blue oval city before any thoughts of a victory lap. 😀
@@archieharris6825 Sorry you feel that way; If you are going to call me a liar, show me what was lie.
First, tell me what you drive.
@@4literv6 That 9 miles is a pretty long walk out in the middle of nowhere. The point is, Tesla over promises but under delivers. Ford under promises but over delivers when it comes to range. That GT PE they tested was a 21, not a 22. The 22s can be ordered now, but none have yet been delivered. Agree with you that Ford is just now deciding to compete with Tesla, some 5 years later. Ford is just getting started. Elon has certainly put the wheels in motion to disrupt the ICE. Now here come all the others.
It will be interesting to watch demand and production over the next few years. Ford certainly knows how to mass produce vehicles, right? Can't wait to see how the F-150 Lightning tests out against the CyberTruck. Do you think Farley will beat Musk to delivery punch?
Alright I was underwhelmed by the Mach E till I saw the bang and olufsen speakers. Thats awesome.
I might enjoy the Tesla more the one or two times I took it to an actual track. On public roads, I don’t think I’d hit the power limiter very often. Give me that Mach E
Ford's Blue Cruise is only good on a small fraction of US roads. As for Tesla. They have a way more miles of coverage.
I think you lost me when you said you'd elevate blue cruise a step above tesla ap. Clearly you haven't spent much time commuting with either. The blue cruise constantly disengages around mild corners on the highway and does a pitiful job centering vehicle and can't do ANY surface streets, where-as Tesla AP is flawless in execution and can blow through forest roads/twisty's without any issue at speed limits on most surface roads. You might want to review Sandy Monroe's take on blue cruise and discover the nuiances you're missing. As for Tesla being messy at the track, I've been placing first in all the autocross/track events for years now and that is raw times as well as PAX.. so I'm not sure what you're thinking on that one. I do drive the model 3 performance, but the model Y performance is on the same platform etc. For those that say 5 seconds of umph before derating is enough for a GT performance badge mustang are probably ashamed right now.
you mad? tesla "ap" isn't flawless by any means and it surely cant blow through forest roads without any issues . It's more developed than blue cruise, which is expected... but to say it's flawless is only fooling yourself
I drove both.
The Tesla just seemed souless. Like I was driving a computer.
Mach-E felt much more like a car.
But I'm a car guy, not necessarily and "EV" guy.
Both solid cars and I'm glad they exist.
I had the same experience. Ended up buying the Mach-E GT. The limited performance boost isn't noticeable on the street and I'd never take a big fat SUV like this to a track, so it was a non-issue for me.
Does the Mach-E GT come with the famous Ford Mustang Mens Cologne?
No spare tire, no adjustable steering wheel, no sun roof, iPad info!
Comparing a Mach e to a Tesla is like Comparing a Motorola Razor to an IPhone
...Tesla sells nothing that competes with Rivian; they have no pickup truck and the Model X is an obscenely expensive
minivan with ZERO off-road ability. The Rivian R1S is a real SUV with serious off-road chops. Rivian has backers with
an endless supply of money; Ford for expertise in building tough trucks and SUVs, and a real factory that they didn't
have to build from scratch. This is a no brainer long term play.
.Unlike Tesla, Rivian's customers can get the $7500 federal tax credit.
GO RIVIAN!
Hang on...
So, the Mach-E rides better, handles better, feels more premium inside, has a longer range and is basically 'as quick' in a drag race, yet it LOSES this head-to-head...???
That makes no sense... :-(
I guess the 5 second rule for track days. Who takes their car to tracks?
12.3-12.5 @ 103 mph for the Mach-E is as quick as 11.9-12.1 @ 115 for the Model-Y? Interesting.
If you ever want to be laughed out of a room and dismissed utterly, respond to any physical feat with: "I can do that, too... for about 5 seconds".
It is impressive that a company actually produced an actual competitor to Tesla and if you think about it Ford is world's first. Unlike any others Ford produced an EV that doesn't have design compromises. Mach-E GT Performance is just as fast, has similar range and it has the same practicality as a Tesla. That's unlike for example Porsche Taycan which was for a bit faster than Tesla Model S but with so many compromises in design practicality. Now Ford is still behind Tesla in technology and charging and Tesla will soon show their new upgrades in the SEXY lineup with the new batteries and possibly even they will integrate their most advanced hardware from Model S Plaid to Model 3 and Y.
Just give me the Tesla………that is the best…..cant beat Tesla…
The Track battle is completely pointless with these vehicles. NOBODY will do this other than an odd chance just out of interest. So forget that point. The Tesla screen is miles ahead, I have no idea what your are looking at. However, There are some things I would definately take from the Mustang, the power window controls, the volume knob, the actual attempt at a sports version interior (inlcuding the micro suede). The Tesla definately needs the extra screen, however, you missed the fact that the Mustang screen is downright dangerous as it collects most peoples knees. Both need physical knobs for climate. This is from a Model 3 owner... I seriously hate the fact that no physical controls is being rammed down my throat.
However, your conclusion that every EV except a Tesla is currently stillborn because charging them suck. With the Super Charger network, don't bother. The other point worth mentioning, is that only Tesla can actually build vehicles in a decent number, and they still can't keep up with demand. The fact is that buying anything but a Tesla EV is a leap of faith currently.
Lol at Ford having to restrict the acceleration after 5 seconds... that is really sad.
It's not having to, it's choosing to, to ensure longer drive range which is what 90 + % off consumers care about.
@@ThaDirtyOne7 tell that to the countless MachE owners and enthusiasts on the forums who are upset this wasn’t disclosed anywhere in the buying process.
They "chose" to use pouch cells from LG which have thermal expansion issues (see Chevy bolt and their fire problems when charging - same cells), so it's not really a choice for them to not have this problem. The cell form factor is the issue.
@@vanjames1984 thanks for clarity. Good info, I'll look into this a little deeper.
@@ThaDirtyOne7 no prob, anyways good thing to be aware of since I know alot of people are hoping it's just like a software lock or something, but it's more of a hard issue than people realize i think
I own a GT Performance 2021 and Tesla M3 Performance 2021.
id say there very close to each other, one drives better the GT and, one has better tech the Tesla.
The GT is way more comfortable though but, if I'm going on a long trip I'll take the Tesla there charging network is years ahead of the EA (Electric America). The GT gets way more attention like I have people waiting out in front of my car sometimes when I come out of shopping centers to ask questions about it.
Both are great cars the Blue-Cruise is amazing when it works but it's very limited but not much different then my FSD which honestly only works about half the time too (very bad phantom breaking out here where I live guessing the area is not mapped out to great) The GT gets over the est driving the Tesla always is way under (GT is good for 260 I normally get around 270-280) The Tesla is rated for 315 I normally get around 240-250) Both cars cost about the same I paid $70,040 for my GT and I paid $70,560 for the Tesla. Love them both.
If I was to keep one it would be the GT hands down just better build, better ride and I charge at home 99% time so the biggest benefit of Tesla does not impact me. (the charging network)
Substract FSD from the Tesla price. Ford doesn't really offer any more functionality than basic autopilot. Suddenly the value proposition looks quite different.
Also: have you tried to reduce tire pressure for better ride comfort as Musk suggests on Twitter?
Wow. Since you own both, I'd trust what you say.
@@NO3V I did then lower the air, but then TPMS (tire pressure monitoring system) senser goes off to refill it. I agree with your statement on the FSD price and if I'm being fully honest that was the biggest waste of money to buy atm I'm sure sometime in the future it will be worth the price but not even close atm.
The Mach-E GT only provides full power for 5 seconds at a time to "save" the battery?! That's inexcusable.
And that's the expensive GT version. Ridiculous. Tesla has ZERO such restrictions.
I'm sure Ford will provide an update in the near future to turn off 5 sec limit .
I have one GT Performance and I hope it. Worst is misleading because Ford didn't tell you anything about this
@@AndersonERockefeller 10 seconds in 2027
@@dzerres they also have zero QA, and bullshit EPA range.
Blue cruise is a step above when it can’t even handle “curves”?
Blue cruise (more like Blue's clues) is pretty bad haha. Sandy Munro did an interesting video on it.
Edmonds is biased at best.
This guy is a clown. Blue Cruise is 10 years behind Tesla autopilot
I thought Edmunds is doing a half decent job of being unbiased for once then bam Blue cruise is ahead of Tesla's FSD LOL! Blue cruise has 0 chance off turning a corner on its own, what an idiotic conclusion to draw.
The biggest issue is that they don’t understand that most people confuse auto pilot with FSD. Those are two different things the Tesla Offers. The people in this channel took advantage of people’s ignorance and pretended like blue Cruise was actually better when in reality FSD is the upgraded version of auto pilot which fall under the category of (Autonomy LEVEL 3.5) which means that most of the time you can let the car drive you ANYWHERE! but for legal reasons, Tesla has to say level 2 because FSD is still in “beta”
Look, afaik Tesla is giving them nothing, no nice payed minivacations to new model presentations, no test drive cars, nothing. So what do you expect? They need to put Ford etc a bit over, so that those continue to give them freebies.
15:20 From what I saw on Munro Live, BlueCruise is adequate if you’re driving on a perfectly straight highway without navigation. Just be careful about the slightest curve, and the exits are up to you!
@@JohnPMiller I believe that just qualifies as cruise control. And not better than an AI driven self driving that is quickly becoming better than a human driver.
@@meho1010 I’d say that BlueCruise is worse than cruise control. With cruise control, you know that it’s up to you to drive. With BlueCruise, it deactivates on turns, and you need to take control right away. I guess that’s why Edmunds didn’t go into the details; it would make them look stupid.
Good luck wih the Electrify network compared to the Tesla Supercharging stations on a road trip.
Maybe someday soon the Supercharger network will be open to everyone.
@@ALMX5DP They will in 2022
Absolute insanity to consider Ford Blue Cruise as remotely comparable to Autopilot. I drove a Mach E for a week up and down California in August 2021 and it can barely stay in a lane at highway speed. Autopilot is predictive and works everywhere. No comparison whatsoever.
thank you- an unbiased response. The presenter in this video has definitely been paid by Ford to push this inaccurate and false rhetoric.
Yeah I literally laughed out loud. They can’t even work on many roads in the country… let alone any road with lane markings like Tesla…
MunroLive had a good video on Blue cruise, doesn't even work if the highway curves, only straight.
BlueCruise was not released until October 2021. I believe you're thinking of adaptive cruise.
I’m sure the many people who have died because autopilot didn’t work would disagree with you. But they can’t because they are dead.
I respect preserving the battery life but agree a hard compromise at that price. Ford tends to play it conservative with their EVs whether it is range or preserving the battery. Works out well in the range where you get more than promised. Hopefully with time and software updates they can loosen the reigns on the power limitations.
"Ford tends to play it conservative with their EV's..." What EV's?
I don't know if it's a software fixable issue. The pouch cells they use from LG expand quite a bit when under thermal pressure, so thermal management is an issue. So if you were to have too much thermal pressure by opening up the performance taps all the way, this could be a dangerous thing just because of the type of cells they're using. Tesla uses cylindrical can cells not pouch cells so they don't have same issue
The problem is in there thermal cooling. They skimped on it and now they have to limit power so it doesn’t over heat the batteries when ran hard.
I’m sure they’ll follow Tesla and offer power up software updates for a fee.
@@georgecostanza2695 I am including in their phev’s in that statement. Escape, Fusion, C-Max PHEV’s.
😂 wow! This is so biased towards Ford. There is no way that Ford‘s FSD is better than Tesla‘s. Have you tested it? Have you not seen Ford‘s EVs driving off of the road to where you absolutely have to constantly correct it? I can’t believe that Ford is this desperate.
After how Edmund's canned the S Plaid on release, it's obvious they have a slant against Tesla in general. They don't keep an unbiased presentation.
Lol, Blue Cruise can't even do curves, and they're here choosing it over AutoPilot? AP drives me to work every morning, handling very sharp curves in the road better than human pilots. Edmunds has a hate boner for Tesla, that much is clear.
Seems like Tesla owners have a lot of feelings
@@mikebitz7034 Facts not feelings, Mike.
Don’t make it personal. Tesla being sold out for the next two years is evidence enough that no one is going to outperform them anytime soon and that is fact. I’m not against Ford I drive one. We just dislike reporting that is not based on facts. So, let’s go Brandon!
i'm surprised you picked the blue cruise over the tesla auto pilot ? Sandy Munro tested the blue cruise on the highway and it was absolutely terrible ? Maybe Ford has tweaked it since then.
They've done nothing to it since that vid and it is still terrible in comparison. This review was a complete piss take.
Blue cruise is like a ball and a stick compared to auto pilot, not even close
They've had to have done some updates to in since that test. I live near that stretch of highway where they filmed that video and tested the same curve in my Mach-E (running production version of the software obviously) where it told him to put his hands on the wheel and I never got saw a prompt to take back control.
Hey Model Y, were you designed by the Space X team? Cause your panel gaps are out of this world 😌👌
Hey Ford, we're you designed by your 118 year company? Can you glue the windshields on right? And maybe the Phont to Key registration?
@@ismaelcarrillo3956 here is your L 👋
How is Blue cruz better then Beta FSD. Was this a paid promation for Ford from your end .... 🙄
They are clearly being paid by Ford, GM, Toyota, and many other companies in sponsorships. Not necessarily to bash on tesla what is a side effect they don’t really care too much to be honest
This is a well thought out piece. I own a MYP. The knocks are justified. But I absolutely love the car. Never going back to ICE.
What? Are you claiming the Ford screen is better in any way? It's vertical, no youtube, no netflix and all that dumb knob does is volume control, which is on steering wheel and is not less distracting to reach for on a screen
Autopilot is awesome, I've been using it for almost two years, blue cruise is shit. Their knocks are not justified, they are biased POS.
Some things they said maybe true, but because of all their bs, you shouldn't trust anything they say, you can't know if you haven't experienced it yourself. Fuck em, I hope Edmunds disappears with the producers of gas guzzlers and air toxifiers.
@@timmos184 never driven the mach-e. but i own a MYP. i’m just being honest. its not perfect in every way. but i’m never going back. i turn my own wrenches. 20k mi. no issues. love this car. we need ford to be in the game. tesla’s mission is pulling everyone else along and it’s working. but i wouldn’t put money on F. this is not investment advice. do your own research 😜
just to be clear. you’re right, blue cruise is a joke. but most ppl won’t understand why. and the infotainment of the mach-e is subpar. there is no true comparison to tesla. but ford did make an ev that doesn’t totally suck and doesn’t look like an EV-1.
One of the few very honest responses.
These new EVs benefit us all. We'll have much better options in the future. Tesla has done wonders for this market. After having the Tesla, and then driving the Mach-e, I just much prefer the Ford. I don't do long trips, so charging and range aren't an issue. I suspect 90%+ people probably rarely take their car more than a few hundred miles away. Just a guess. I don't need a race car, they both are more than fast enough for most of us. The Ford is quiet, smooth, and I actually prefer the interior and infotainment layout vs Tesla. And I never have liked the appearance of the M3 or Y. Model S rocks it. I really like the MME look. All very subjective and I don't think you can really go wrong with either.
No thank you Ford, your dealers are like leech......i dont want to get sucked out of money for all my life
This is a very true point, Ford dealers, service, warranties, and their credit department are all vultures. I really like the way Fords drive but after having one and dealing with Ford Credit and Ford Service I will probably never own a Ford again, unless it's something special I own outright out of warranty and can afford to have serviced by a quality independent.
@@Trendyflute This might change in the not too long future. Just like you, there are many people that won't by a car from an OEM because of the Dealer Network. They are hurting the manufacturer. In the case of this video, Ford is less competitive because of people like you are buying a car from another manufacturer because of all the issues with the dealers.
It's my understanding that Ford launched a program to help future owners find a dealer that would charge MSRP without marking the price up. That was step one. The next step is to sell to the customers directly.
Honestly I don't know how they are going to achieve that but they must do it or they are going to continue to loose customers and revenue. They must change because if they don't someone else is going to take those customers. And it has to happen soon if they want to stay competitive.
I am pumped to see Ford continue to improve their electric platform. Still a bigger fan of Tesla though. They do some really incredible things.
The Tesla does have nice features, but dam they are UGLY!!!
Amazing considering their history but Ford have a less evil boss than Tesla.
@@Mustgtcs07 I love the look of ours. I'm still wondering why all the competitors have grills. Talk about ugly and useless but that's where they spend their "design" money instead of on software, OTAs and performance.
Yes I had a rental Model Y for a whole week, here is my 2 cents, Very bumpy ride , rattling noises, range not as promised, the ride had only 10K miles. don't own an EV yet , will not buy a Tesla forsure, I would like to Test out the Mustang GT, so far Not available for rental
@@cessealbeach makes me wonder if a deal like the one with Hertz will actually hurt Tesla as people will be able to try them out like you did and have the mystique brought back down to earth.
I feel like the model Y did well compared is a year older with more wear and tear, than a BRAND NEW mach E
You do know that Ford says if you put it in unbridled it's quarter mile times will not be as fast as in general performance mode unbridled design for handling and performance so the power comes on differently it's for spirited road driving
They've talked to the Ford engineers; I'm pretty sure their information is current. Also, Edmonds' take on it is consistent with other reviews I've seen. You get an initial rush of power, and then it tapers off aggressively.
The good news, if any, is that all of that can get tweaked in software. That said, my understanding is that the car does try to protect the battery at all times, so even on other models of Mach-E, it will sacrifice power to cool down the battery.
Was the Tesla in a front-end accident?…the hood is all wonky
Its a pretty common issue on those cars.
No. 😂😂
It's easily adjustable
It's a Tesla. ALL the panels are wonky; guaranteed.
@@robsolf incorrect
Can't stop staring at the Model Y's bumper not meeting the hood.
The panel gaps are worse than a 90's Hyundai on that thing. Another 5 years of settling and I'm not sure the doors will open and close.
You think that's bad? Look at the B pillar in shots @7:05. That's a 2" gap from the ceiling of the car!!
Same here lol
@@myyoutubename152 horrible gap. Looks like they avoid the service center...
Good thing the gt would be looking at the back bumper. So don’t worry about the gaps. The Tesla will take the gt to gapplebees
FSD AUTOPILOT CHARGING NETWORK AND TESLA TECHNOLOGY! TECHNOLOGY!!
Laughing at folks arguing 0-60 and 1/4 times for daily driver crossovers. Regardless of their horsepower numbers these aren't track machines and never will be. Buy the one that you find attractive, enjoy driving, fits in your budget and you won't have regrets. Basing your decision on "performance" numbers will leave you second guessing yourself after the novelty of stop light racing quickly fades away.
Tesla Model Y is great on the track. Plus, I like to take my car the local strip. There is a reason these numbers matter to people, even if you cannot see it. The MYP is one of the quickest SUVS on a track, and with a couple unplugged performance upgrades, it’s literally THE fastest SUV on a track.
I didn't say they weren't capable of being on the track but 99% of the buyers of these vehicles aren't tracking them period. And if track use is one of the purposes a potential buyer is contemplating then there are much better options out there. This is coming from someone who owns EVs.
@@josephquinto5812 you mean suspension upgrades. They do nothing for motor upgrades.
@@E_Static I own them as well and performance, aka bragging rights, is essential. Just because you’re a fuddy dud driver doesn’t mean everyone else is.
Edmunds… Out of all tech solutions in Tesla you highlight ‘Fart mode’ . That was pathetic. 1) Autopilot - no FSD, comes standard. It makes driving on highway so easy and safe!! It can keep distance from other cars and stays in the lane. It can do all kinda of highway curves. You are lying to your subscribers. 2) Cameras recordings - 4 cameras record in every direction to USB stick while you drive and make it extremely useful in case of any road incidents. 3) Sentry mode - records anyone moving or touching your car in 4 direction. It sounds alarm inside and out if someone tries to break in. Very useful, especially in California these days. 4) Games and Netflix/ TH-cam . This is so useful when you are charging or waiting for someone. It has access to fast Internet for monthly subscription. Like $12 or some.
Saying that everyone prefers a ‘familiar’ knob in the middle of a screen… LOL . Please get someone who is a bit more comfortable with tech to review cars next time. New type of cars will be computer on wheels same as current phones are smart phones.
I heard that the Mach-E does not allow you to run it full throttle more than 3 times due to preserving the battery, is this true? After 3 hard launches the Mach-E goes into limp mode. @8:13 you answered my question. Thank you! This is a deal breaker for me
Are you kidding me??? Oh my god if they put that same feature in the Ford lighting I’m not buying this at all
It’s not exactly limp mode. It’s not that great of a reduction. You probably won’t notice it unless you’re actually at the track. Ford knows most drivers probably aren’t racing these things. At most, they might get on it for a few seconds until range anxiety kicks in. On the flip, I wouldn’t be surprised if the tuners came with a way to override that. Would likely void the warranty unless Ford themselves decide to offer it as an over the air update.
I'm going with the Mustang Mach E. The Tesla is a good one but definitely not for me.
I have no regrets coming from a Model 3 Performance to the Mach E GT Non performance
Don’t forget Tesla is making 30%+ margins on that Model Y while Ford is losing money on that Mustang
Kinda makes you think about why that is the case though. I know Tesla has streamlined their production process over the years but still makes me curious where other “optimizations” are taking place to get to such margins.
@@ALMX5DP not having a dealer network for one
@@ALMX5DP also not spending billions in advertising every year
@@TheCreamRisesToTheTop true, just curious if that accounts for everything.
That is total BS, Tesla makes money for the most part by selling tax credits.
Tesla feels like a garbage vehicle I couldn’t believe I walked in it and it’s a $60,000 vehicle it felt like a $12,000 used Hyundai
This is a joke. The Tesla is better all around. Even with using a near 2yr old model compared to a 2021 Ford.
If you say the Mach E is the better track car then let’s see lap times?
In reality these (E & Y) are not track cars.
I was expecting to see their lap times. Most owners will probably never venture on to a race circuit, but it would have been good to see them anyway.
@@Wirmish no but typically performance cars get track tested and I am 100% sure the Tesla is the better handling car and will be faster so I want to see the times
I was riding with my coworker is his Tesla a week ago I was alittle surprised about the rattling noise. It was a bit disturbing but it was a nice ride though.
All cars make that you just can't hear it over the engine/ pumps and cooling.
🤣🤣🤣
@@X862go naw, it came from the passenger door window even the owner said it
Rattling noises -- that's Tesla trademark 😂
@@X862go No cars should not make rattling noises at any cost.
Ford, GM and Stellantis should have been working on a joint charging network before they even introduced their first EV!
Ford can now use Tesla's charging network with an adaptor.
Did they just run a comparison test between a brand new Mustang GT and a 1 year old Tesla Model Y? Let’s run this test again, a year from now, when the GT is one year old and the Tesla is a brand new one.
Ford provides cars to publications. Tesla does not. Edmunds bought that one. But the MY isn't substantially different from it's previous versions.
Brake feel? Curb weight? Autonomous driving? Can we get the extended version of this review?
Year old model Y compared to a how old mustang? Good overview but price was inflated on Tesla by adding fsd
Didn't Tesla just raise the price on the Y?
@ james The tesla is cheaper. The pricing on this "review" is off. Just check Tesla's site.
Its so funny that even without any other instrumented testing (skidpad, full 1/4 mile, figure 8) that the model y would crush the mach e in. Even with all of the marketing fluff that ford threw in being rattled off without any skepticism at all. EVEN with all the shit talking about how "bad" the model y feels on track. Edmunds still can't recommend the Ford over the model y. The mach e is a chevy bolt on prednisone.
How can you compare the range, when the Mach-E has nearly a 100kw battery 🔋?
I test drove the Mach E and based on softly I was driving it, it had more range by the time I got back to the dealer. It went from 181 to 188. I was just driving normally too, I thought that was pretty cool. The model Y I drove didn’t seem to be that efficient but I have to say it was more fun than the Mach E
I own the MY Performance and listening to this review is difficult. Him using words like messy, wobbly, loose, etc is absolutely biased and untrue. The MYP is amazing and fun to drive! Off the line, the Mach E GT leads for a quick second or two, but over a quarter mile, the MYP wins! It doesn’t top out or limit you. I guess it just depends on what style you like. It’s like comparing an old school Camaro to Mustang to Charger! They’re all pretty close. Just pick the one that appeals to you!
would have to go with Tesla based on this.
Big difference between the two: Tesla will cost you the same for everyone who order it online (the only way to buy it new) no dealer or salesman hassle. In Puerto Rico (were I live) Ford dealers are selling the Mach E with a 10K to 15K premium
Blue Cruise over Autopilot? Guess you missed Sandy Munroe's first impression with it - if the highway has a moderate curve Blue Cruises disengages without warning, forcing the user to scramble to grab the wheel in the middle of a bend. No, that isn't more safe.
"autopilot" is a killing machine 😂
Sold my horrible build quality 2020 Model Y, and bought a 2021 Mach-E GT. The looks, quality, luxury and fun to drive of the Mach-E leaves the Model Y in its dust. Tesla has a real competitor in the Mach-E. If Ford can keep up with the production and demand of the Mach-E, Tesla will find itself very quickly in deep trouble.
Mach E on build quality alone. No excuses at that price point.
Tesla build quality must really suck if Ford blows it away. Ford already has 2 recalls for the windshield and glass roof...
@@OlJackBurton you heard it from the reviewer's mouth...is what it is.
The tesla's made in the US have terrible built quality cos they basically bought the factory from Ford and retrofitted the EV equipment from factory built on ICE cars the cars from shanghai don't have any of these built quality issues .
It's still not an Excuse to the poor built quality they need to build better
Model Y all day long. Mach E = zero resale and nobody wants it. Real range on Model my is over 300 in city. Don’t waste your money on that Ford. You will be sorry. And where will you charge. Uh yeah.
I was surprised to hear Blue Cruise out does even Standard Autopilot. Wow! Until I remember Ford saying it is limited to specific parts of the highway excluding on ramps and of ramps. Nice advertising there Edmunds. I'm not a Tesla fan but I work in the Tech industry and I must say. You need some technical understanding to compare a Tesla to a Ford. There's tonnes of differences that if the average person knew they'd run from the Ford. Sandy Monroe did the favor of the comparison and I'd recommend you watch it
Yes but the Mustang front logo lights up.
The bad battery pouch design of LG in the Ford and Gm voltz is what keep a restriction of only 5 seconds acceleration because is a danger if it get too hot it could 🔥 , in the tech that matters Tesla has better computer , over the air updates faster motors better battery , and charger network, and FSD is in a whole different level do your research
I’d take the ford. Acceleration is fun but after a while it does get old. Plus where I live about 10% of the time I drive can I actually accelerate to any where near either of these capability. However handling is something I can utilize way more often and from what I see the ford takes the win there.
Check the moose test for these cars; the results will surprise you:) th-cam.com/video/2PTOBc883zg/w-d-xo.html
@@matthewwiemken7293 In all fairness, you should point out that TH-cam video did not test the Mustang Mach-E GT with the MagnaRide.
@@jamesseay9943 why?
@@matthewwiemken7293 saw it on the news lol Ford news to refine their engineering
The review doesn't mention software downloads.
I mean, I prefer Android-based infotainment in general. Which is supposedly the backbone of Ford's new infotainment in their electric vehicles and what Volvo/Polestar uses in theirs.
Android Automotive won’t be showing up in Fords until 2023 and there is no guarantee that the old Mach Es will get a OTA update to switch to using Android Automotive.
So the daily driver street car that is better in all ways except 1/4 mile is the Mach-E GT but you still say the Model Y is better overall because it's faster in the 1/4 mile. Pretty clear who is lining your pockets Edmunds.
It’s nice to see some solid competition against Tesla! The problem is, Tesla’s next change is right around the corner.. when the competition is just finally getting to the party.
I think it’s going to be much faster for the big companies to catch up when they’ve gone through the hardest part ( bureaucratic / polices mine fields) of the race
@@AG-en5y they won’t catch up. They have too much invested in ice vehicles through design, engineering, and manufacturing. Basically they would have to fire most of the old guard and hire new. That’s why these EV start ups are further ahead than OEM’s. Realistically these legacy auto manufacturers are hoping this “EV fad” goes away. GM recently said they are going to “electrify the auto industry”. GM showed up at this years LA auto show with zero, that’s 0, EV’s. Tesla and the Chinese are just too far ahead.
@@jimbeam4111 Porsche Taycan can go up to 484 kilometres according to their website. Isnt that catching up?
@@AG-en5y it’s Porsche not Ford, GM, or Chrysler. Porsche makes vehicles in extremely less quantities and sells to a different clientele. Legacy have no interest in going electric. The Ford Lighting is a contractors truck. Go ask a contractor if he’s interested in buying an electric Ford F150. There’s a reason the MachE is made in Mexico. It’s much easier to close the plant or discontinue manufacturing without the complaints of American job loss. The thing is if these legacy auto manufacturers do the right thing for their business and go electric, up to 50% of their workforce will be cut. All the way from design, mechanical, and manufacturing engineers to machinists and assemblers. From experience working in these places, I can tell you first hand the old guard does not want to change a thing. They just want to get through the day. This is the reason American legacy manufacturing in the US is doomed to fail.
@@jimbeam4111 says on Ford website that the New Mustang Mach E has 305 miles of range homie.
PS pretty sure Mercedes is also coming out with a electric GLK. Anddddd before you go all blah blah European company, it’s owned by Chrysler 😚
Mach E GT is a lot more competitive than I was expecting. Choice is good.
You weren't listening. Play it again.
It isn’t competitive, the model Y easily beats it. It’s a good daily driver with good range but on the test track it gets demolished.
@@raydoherty5419 how does it get “demolished” outside of the 1/4 mile? Did you watch or read this? I own one, and just sold my Model 3 Performance/ you have no clue what you are talking about / performance isn’t all about 0-60. My best car by far I own is the slowest by a LOONG shot but will smoke the Y, GT and many others on the track /
@@andrewrae50 I don’t think either two of them actually watched, or paid attention to the video.
@@andrewrae50 if they actually publish lap times you will see, the Y performance is a much better track car and will put down much quicker times.
Edmunds is owned by CarMax and is highly biased against Tesla! Don’t listen to a word they say here! Edit: By the way, even IF the “Mustang” was competitive (it’s not)…good luck finding one to buy! They made less than 10,000 of them! And they don’t have the batteries to compete! LOL
The moment he was dissing Autopilot and said BlueCruise is better, you can clearly see who is paying for this review. I have used Autopilot for over 100K miles in my Model S, 3 and now Y. There is NOTHING out there comparable. Such a great stress reliever. Yes you need to be attentive but nothing like what this reviewer is making it out to be.
There is no way this is a truthful review on Autopilot or Infotainment.