2.8l LANDCRUISER HANGS IN THE BALANCE
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The 2.8 on 33’s seems like the perfect all-around vehicle.
Yeap
Interesting though still not convinced, switching to ATs when upsizing, seems to me to alter the findings slightly, for consistency a MT all on 3 sizes makes sense if you are testing outcomes, I have both for my truck and I notice a difference on road mostly (different truck ) but is noticeable, though again they are different brands and my MTS are quite aggressive! Love that you showed the blooper at the front and its a lesson for all of us, no matter how much experience you have, you can make mistakes, never take your eye off the ball until through the obstacle, we all get over cocky, lucky you didn't do a rear quarter, as good as the 2.8l content has been, I would love to see you keep the Troopy and the 79, you wont get these again, 2.8l you know you can buy again new! That said I would love to see you sell the 76, do an upgrade on the Troopy with a Just Autos 6spd conversion, to me that is the ultimate 70s series upgrade if you are wanting an Auto option, the Troopy is an investment, you aren't throwing dollars away, the 76 has limited appeal and market if when you do sell it, but with the effort already in the Troopy Id hate to see it ditched at this stage, its unfinished as to what you can do, Id like to see the channel get back to trips more than builds, it was your forte now its getting like ASPs direction and others overly done love the sound of own voices too much less driving! Always enjoy builds but trips and using them is what we don't see enough of, plus miss Torbs, where is the old legend ?🤘
Bigger tyres will affect fuel around town where the rack wouldn't, on the highway its the other way around. Rarely do they both affect it at the same time.
After you compare with 35s, it would be nice to then do a dyno comparison. The 79 has no doubt lost power and torque over the years. I think this would really settle any doubt. Great work though mate. 👍
Definitely worth having a cargo barrier with all that stuff in the back, can be a life saver. Lots of light ones available.
A windshield would probably help heaps with fuel economy on the roof racks. Just probably wouldn't look as cool😅
Cargo barriers are just about mandatory for a wagon, it doesn't take much for all that stuff in the back to become projectiles.
Ronny you used to do a lot of very informative 'how to' videos. Or 'educational ' videos if you will.
Where are they?
Your early stuff was awsome!!!
Why do you take your locker off so fast?
its an old habit for Land cruiser owners, the front diff is not exactly super strong and they unlock it "ASAP to prevent any carnage
I thought I was out which I was until I rolled back. Rookie error could have easily been a walk in the park
I've rock packed several 79's in this situation and worse off camber. What I've actually realised is that sometimes in this situation, you are better to turn off the rear locker and keep the front engaged. This is because, the rear can cause the arse to pull side ways, which you can see the outcome in this vid.
I dont get it. You stop slippage of a tyre spinning and then suddenly stopping. That breaks things not having diffs locked
The nice thing about the 2.8 is family camping life is a bit easier. My girls hate the Troopy exit and entry into the back seats 🙈. The 76 can still get the Thor conversion. And you could end up having two setup for the back. One with seats the other without.
The 76 can still get the Thor conversion, What I this?
@@adamandresen9911 Adam AluCab have a roof conversion which is the same as the Hercules conversion that is done on the 76 LC called the Thor Conversion. i.e. makes it like a Troopy conversion. 🤙
outstanding and awesome as always.thanks for sharing and taking us along.
I betcha Harry is waiting on you to sell the 76 😂
I have had so many different 4x4 vehicles (4x4 van, short wheelbase 4x4s, long wheelbase 4x4s), traveled all-over Europe and part in Canada and in US (where I live now). Since I got my Jeep Gladiator (after 2 Wranglers JL), I will never go back to anything that is not a pickup truck. The way you can customize the space, and the sheer amount of it, simply makes for the best setup, also considering that the bed is completely separated from the front of the truck.
With a good lift and decent sized tires the wheelbase is not too big of a problem, especially in the higher end trims (Rubicon).
I do understand, and agree, that Toyotas can be more reliable, but I think by now they are about equal with Jeep having a few corks that you get to know in the forums and prepare about.
Anyway this is not a Jeep vs Toyota argument, but more pickup-truck vs cab-truck.
I would love to hear your opinion Ronny.
Great videos as usual, long time follower here.
I don’t think you can make a Wagon vs Pickup conclusion just based off of a Jeep . The cargo space in the wranglers is a Joke. Can’t fit anything and can’t carry anything. 76,78s are a whole different anymals in terms of cargo space/load carrying abilities.
@@Arda86ca No, sorry, I haven't had only Wranglers. I have had many vehicles and also a couple of Delica mini van. The pickup truck is just simply a better option as it allows for a completely separate space. In my Gladiator I have plenty of space in the cabin, with 3 comfortable rear seats that can accommodate load of gear, and plus the whole pickup bed that can be used with the rooftop tent on the top as well. The amount of gear I have to carry with me for cinematography and photography is a lot and there is no way I would make it in a Wagon like that one. Plus my dog stays in the back and there are no hairs in the cabin, which also was a huge issue before.
The bed can become a small camper, can be used as cargo plus rooftop tent, can be used with a canopy, and all of that without even touching the cabin inside. Is just a lot better. And arguably the Gladiator with a good lift is better than all of these other wagons offroad.
I also tried a Defender 130 and I still found that to be less spacious and effective at most of the stuff.
I did Billy goats bluff track , almost all vic high country in Maxxus razr AT ..100% recommend than MTs for this stuff
Agree. Unless it's wet.
@@trickster8635100%, a winter Billy goat is a different animal
I understand swags being convenient, but a small tent with a pad would save a considerable amount of weight and size.
Good viddo mate, i have the rear of my FJ cruiser set up with same with the same tie down points. I did vuild a cavity to alide my table in and out .That way, i dont need to remove anything for the table.
Glad to know that the 76 is alright. 😎
Just by adding those 33" you've lost about 150nm torque.. a tune will help there .. 35" will be too much imo
I like the simple set up in the rear and the roof rack. I’ve been considering a drawer system but have pretty much come to the decision boxes is simpler and lighter.
Is that a front runner roof rack?
Great learnings from the drive.
Yeah definitely an OOPSIE on the obstacle!! That said we are all human and we all make mistakes.
On the basic modifications that you have done so far. I can say that I do like the look of the 33's and the Roof rack as it just sits right with it. I feel a small lift(2-3 inch at best) would finish the look alone.
For the back I say it's fine for now but maybe consider some basic drawer setup of sorts. Don't want to go too crazy with the 76 since I suspect you may sell it.
How will it tow with bigger tires? Well in my experience with a 2019 Ranger here in the US running the 2.3 I can say it did fine towing with both 32 and 33 inch tires. Mind you the factory tire size was a 30 inch and I had it tuned with the 32 and 33 inch tires. If you don't have the 76 tuned I suspect it may do ok with 33's at best and do absolutely horrible with 35's. If you get it tuned you will be good with 33's but will still be questionable on 35's.
Do you like Wagon Life? I'm going to suspect not entirely. To elaborate I feel you will prefer to stay in the 79 more often and thanks to how you set it up I feel you like the 78 as it is a House on wheels.
Yes there are pros and cons to the 78 and 76, but I feel you should stick with the 78 and 79. As for the 76, try selling it to Harry!
Look just buy a jeep jlu 4 door with a deisel. 😮 so much better than those leaf springs.
Ute can be an international 4wd as ronny did say that he would travel o.s, sell the 76 and keep the troopy for family life/trips in aust
Great video! Im very interested on how you adapt to wagon life. I only have a wagon and really couldn't fully apply your touring lifestyle to my wagon because you've used a ute and a people carrier.
Touring 35×12.50r17 Yokohama GEOLANDAR G017 XD AT for the 2.8L , for off roading 35×12.50r17 Yokohama GEOLANDAR GO05 X-MT(For touring drivetrian durability is an important consideration vs bias ply Treps) for the V8.
I find wind drag has more of an impact fuel economy than weight, mine is worse when I go away solo with swag and storage box on roof than when I go away with kids towing a light camper trailer (750kg) and nothing on roof (except rack and solar).
With all the different builds, are you turning into ASPW ? :)
It’s more to do with content
dont mention his name here....
@@dualcablowlux lol I didn't, quite.
What's the story with ASPW?
I love ma wagon . Light and powerful. I’ve been towing around my heavy builders trailer with my old hilux 2016 model, got my wagon back from gvm and 33s fitted plus track correction. Yes it’s a v8 . Yes the trailer is way less noticeable behind the wagon . I do not take my baby v8 wagon for granted I love her . Especially now with all her new mods . Bp51 shocks . So smooth . Has anyone ever done some stronger door hinge / latch to take the extra weight of the bigger spare wheel on the rear door . I can imagine some extra ratel is about to come my way from that . Good vid . Wagon life !
It would be great to know the difference in a new replacement motor for the v8 compared to the 4cyl
From now on... use your left foot to brake. Once you get use to it... there no coming back!
You’re not selling the 79 and you know it 😉 Comparing the V8 to 2.8 Auto is like comparing a grill to a microwave. Yes, it might cook faster but no one wants a microwaved steak.
What?
Still, the bonnet is higher than the window frame, can't stop looking at that kink in its overall shape.
I find my 76 to be more practical than a troopy because if the extra doors each side. Troopy doesn't have that standard and it becomes a pain.
Tell us please the revs on 33' tyres with 50 and 100km/h. It's important to compare with V8 models
Hi Ronny, i got my 76 last week and wanted to check what off set you run front and back for 33” wheels on stock suspension? Thanks mate
Might try the max tracks like a spoiler on the front to defelect the wind over the cargo.
The 76 is such a shorty for no good reason. If you put a bed behind the front seats (done sometimes in European builds) you should be 1.6 m tall or less. They could at least have used the length of the 78.
There's not a single touring 76 on planet earth without a city of boxes on top.
It’d be good to compare this with the new grenadier
this is a Toyota fan boy channel, talking about better cars is a no no😂
Can’t believe it, even if it passes will that be enough to sell one of your other babies?
That’s exactly why I’m bit afraid of using my front locker, I’ve gotta use it heaps more to get used to a flow with on/off when/where for my FJ. Got me suspense building, great honest video. My FJ uses the same fuel around town as when loaded up with a full roof rack on highway. You have done a great comprehensive practical test for Toyota on the way.
Just shows you have to keep your head in the game, even the most experienced drivers come unstuck. I don't envy you having to choose between your 3 children, I guess the big thing will be reliability of the old vs new, both in repairs/spares and mod availability. Still not 100% sold on the 2.8, I feel it may be compromised over the long haul
apparently the 250 prado will have the ability to keep the torque converter locked up in sport mode (about time) - does this cruiser have the same ability or they've different gearboxes?
Did you use GPS for those fuel measurements? Bigger tyres means going further each rotation, speedo doesn't know it. So obviously you'd use more fuel to go further.
How are you checking the L/100km? after changing tyre size the odometer will be under reading 5%. What you will be reading as L/100km will really be L/105km. Even if the fuel economy didnt really change it will say its 5% worse
Good point , the same 2.8 troopy runs the bigger tyres from factory, can you adjust ecu settings to suit using Toyota tech stream or will Toyota workshop do it ???
I measure at the fill ups and factor in 3% for the tyre size change as 100kph reads as on GPS and 103 on the dash
Hey Ronny, Just wondering what's happened to the monthly members Q and A videos?
Ive been wondering this also.. bit quiet on the "members" front
So compared to the v8, the 2.8 uses less fuel, is faster, has more torque and costs less for rego.
Thanks Ronny unfortunately OTF only makes Rock sliders for you won’t make any for my TROPPY maybe add them to your shop ❤
An interesting video,
What was the gauge you used to show the gear you were in, and was it a standard setting or a custom addon like in scan gauge ?
I am interested in knowing what gear I am in when driving the prado.
Did you use a different offset on the rear wheels to match the front and rear track widths ?
The four-cylinder will be cheaper to put rego on which one is cheaper to get insured v8 or 4 cylinder lots of ways to save money
Give reverse a hard time with the bigger tires. See if the clutch pack can hold up
I'd sell all 3. Get a 2.8 Auto dual cab 79. Pre rego modify: Rear coil, marks portals, 2.5 adjustable remote reservoir shocks with no lift but on 33's. You now have the lowest (less tippy) but with the most clearance 79 going. Wait, don't steel my idea homie.
ps Marks portals on 35's are dumb as it causes you to need brake upgrade, it brakes more stuff under load and defeats the purpose of portal axels, which is getting more clearance without needing bigger tyre and all the negatives that go along.
What load range did you chose for your tires?
A combination of heavier tyres, heavier wheels & larger diameter tyres which ruins your gear ratios putting more load on your gearbox which causes your lock up clutch to unlock every time you're using anymore than light acceleration so you're always loosing efficiency through your torque converter.
Keep the 76 and the Troopy.
Ronny, I wonder if you considered 255/85r16? Just as an experiment or a change. It will still give you the clearance but lighter, bigger profile than 285/75. I know Maxxis don’t make the Razr in that size. Though I wish they did. But importantly, 255 is just better 😁
Is it the same 2.8L that Toyota had all the DPF problems with? Or have they solved that issue?
Great video series Ronny.. can’t help thinking that however you fit it out, you’ll hate the wagon configuration for what you do. Do you have a particular fetish for 35s” 😆or is it that they work best? I had too bigger tyres, only had top gear on flat ground with a tail wind and the other gear ratios were shite as well, smaller tyres gave back power, economy and sand ability. Looking forward to the next video..
Max tracks are mass air disruptors. The max tracks probably effect your fuel economy as an empty rack.😮
As always Ronny... you make very good and informative videos and keep up the good work...I am sooo interested in this one... How can a 4 banger be better than V8... anyways... Did you have to correct the rear axle width?
Keep the 79
As if Ronny is going to sell the Troopy or the 79.. They are the co-stars of this channel not that rubbish 2.8L cruiser :)
1:05 Ronny you didn't actually stick your arm out in order to hold your 'cruiser from falling sideways in the moment, did you? Because if you did, you must have a lot of faith in your forearm strength. 🤣
Also, at 3:50 seeing it wiggle after the tire touched it was a witty little touch. 😁
Same tyres I have on my 2022 V8 troopy - I’m getting 12.7L/100 - might have a lighter foot than you though!
Nice review. Make another video with tyres 255/85r16.
There’s no way you’ll sell the dual cab. My tip is you’ll be thinking of selling the V8 troopy AND the 76 and get a 2.8 troopy instead….😉
What do I like about Ronny, 1. he is NOT 4wd247. 2. No wanker factor. 3. Relate with knowledge, cannot go past this bloke.
This is spot on.. This is why i like Ronnys videos
Nice one Ronny, would love to see you stick to thr 2.8L
TH-cam algorithm, will dictate the 2.8 is better viewing fodder.
Now you figured out the hard way why OEMs spend millions on Aerodynamics.
Can you do a comparison between the dual cab use and a he Troopy? Which one is better to tour with
Depends if you tow or not? Troopy is mainly for couples dual cab for familys (unless you do personal custom mods to suit your needs)
What did you (all if someone want to help) think about the auto locker ?
Ronny, why didn't you purchase the 2.8 Troopy? That may be the way if it handles 35's.
You still need to convince Torbs😂
I saw you pulled over with the bonnet open infront of supercheap north Geelong what happened there?
The only problem with wagons I find is fire wood
Ronny mate love your humble content and easy going delivery ! best on the tube atm I reckon !!
You need a bullbar on that on that LC
Nice little action. Keep it up the good work.
I reckon Ronny will end up with a 2.8 79
I found a roof rack got worse fuel economy than towing a small TRAILER I swapped a ARB roof rack for a Front Runner one and it was much quieter and more fuel ⛽ efficient
We’ll see what your better half has to say, hey? I reckon the Troopies days are numbered..!
What roof rack did you fit?
I reckon Ronnie will sell the 2.8 wagons, too small for him he has a troop and a Ute and had a Hilux before which all have more room than the back doors of a wagon he’ll get sick of not having enough. Space
Practice left foot braking really slows everything down on automatics 👍
I would very much like to see a 76 vs. Luxy video.
Great video been watching about this Vechile since you got it cannot wait for your final decision on it
Yeah, you'll never ditch the V8.
You should have bought the Troopy!
If 1 or 2 ltr/h/100km are the main concern, you cant afford the car itself or running it. First thing I learned as a kid, decades ago. 🙄
what wheels/rims are they?
How would you compare the 76 to the 80 series?
Ronny: Am I selling V8 or 2.8
Audience: You are selling the one which has 8 in the end.
When you are calculating the extra fuel it is using with the larger diameter tire - are you taking into consideration your Speedo will be out also therefore not having as big of an impact as you think? For instance jumping to a 33 inch tire might throw your Speedo out by 10% so there is your 1L/100km?
That was measured using his scan gauge so is correct
piss the 2.8 off and run a ute, more versatile and better for tax,
that 2.8 towing an empty dual axle trailer without a tune will be 14L/100km depending on wind
aerodynamics is everything, my 2006 Q7 3.0 diesel 400,000kms just did 7.7L/100 sydney to melbourne, it does a 3" lift by pushing a button, car is worth 8k
you can blow another 20k on that car but the aero will fail it
a slippery ute with adjustable ride height with bags or whatever would be nice
its easy to build an awful car that drives like crap because you need it a certain way twice a year
Commit to it mate, keep all three… regret is always in hindsight 😊
Always look forward to your videos! You're a legend! I'm guessing it will handle the 35's just fine. ;)
lol no way you are keeping the 2.8
Some Mother's do have them😂
Keep in the 2.8 over the V8 Half of the cylinders half of the Literage It's half the car But you've got half a brain so it makes sense😂
love your work Ronnie.
The last test will be ... "Asking the wife" which one she would prefer to drive the most ?. I will start buying lottery tomorrow for the chance of owning a well built Troopy.
Hi Ronny, may I ask which brand of roof rack you are using?
thanks Ronny, love your videos.
thanks for the content ronny as always
No play with buttons until obstacles are completed. Jeeze