(Just replying to both of your comments to ensure you're getting the information you're looking for). Ali Clarkson, one of our ambassadors made an extensive video on rim lacing: th-cam.com/video/EEv9IqMvUnQ/w-d-xo.html&t= You can jump to sections on things like asymmetric rims and 3-cross, in the video description. Please also refer to our User Guide here: www.lightbicycle.com/support/user-guides You can also reach out to sales@lightbicycle.com if you have any questions.
Yes it will make a slight difference. Generally, the spokes on the low tension side of the wheel will be 0.5mm shorter, and the spokes on the high tension side will be 0.5mm longer. So just round up or down accordingly, it's not a huge difference if the offset is in the 2-3mm range.
So, what is the tension of the spokes? Is it going to be equal tightness/tension of each spokes nd of each side? Does the asymmetric rim fits any kind of hubs? Or does it fits only the asymmetric hubs that has different flange diameters/sizes?
The tension depends on the rims you choose, we have it listed under Wheelset Specs on our product pages located on our website. Asymmetrical rims are designed and drilled to compensate for the offset design of most hubs. The asymmetry of the rim allows the spokes to equalize in tension between the drive and non-drive sides of the wheel. So hub choice is up to you. If you want hub recommendations feel free to email us at support@lightbicycle.com Here is a list of some we like to use: www.lightbicycle.com/newsletter/Light-Bicycle-Bike-Hub-List-of-2020.html
just wanted to add to @LightBicycle's reply here. So basically if you are building a wheel with an asymmetric rim, you'll treat it the same (granted, slightly different spoke length DS vs NDS). You'll tension the DS (rear) and brake side (front), which are the higher tensioned sides, according to rim manufacturer recommendation(s). The lower tension side will ultimately be what it ends up being after you've brought the higher tension sides to where you need. The idea with asymmetric is that the spoke tensions will be closer to equalization than vs a symmetric rim. I.e. think of a boost vs non-boost hub with the triangulation. Anyway, was just trying to help clarify to answer your question. Of course, I'm not a rim manufacturer and I would trust what LightBicycle says over me if they correct what I say :)
If I have a front hub with different flange diameter no matter? I mean the only changing point will be the spoke length but direction of holes will be some as you are mentioning in your video?
I think I need to offset my rim to the hub!!! The rim and tire is not centered to the back frame... Don't know how much shorter the spokes needs to be the gear side.... I made new wheel with a wider rim, and now my tire is obviously wider...and rubbing on the brake side...
He didn't talk about the disadvantages of the assymetric rim? Like for example on big drop you will have very uneven force and carbons are easily cracked because of this because one rim wall is shorter and one is longer. The balance of the rim is also off because all spokes are leaning offset from the center of rim. That's why you'll feel more assymetric rims are chattery compare to the centered spoke rim. You'll also consider the stiffer rim is not an advantage because you want a little flex on the rim when you go for a big drop, That's why assymetric rims are typically heavier to compensate for against impact force.
Oh yeah? Tell that to DT Swiss! They're ALL " symmetrical" And they're she strongest, most durable and the most reliable wheels I've ever used personally, (ask Aaron Gwin back in 2015 on his EX471 in Leogang )😁😁! Besides..., My friend had his Santa Cruz reserve carbon which are " asymmetrical" ,and his rear end was too flexy compared to my DT Swiss FR 570 alloy wheels,... So I guess at this point, there's absolutely zero evidence to support such a theory!
Awesome! Quick and to the point, thank you 🙏
Awesome and clean information. Thanks!!!!
Exactly what i needed.
Great video! Can you please do a video on lacing an asymmetric rim ? I am building my first AM930S 3 cross
(Just replying to both of your comments to ensure you're getting the information you're looking for). Ali Clarkson, one of our ambassadors made an extensive video on rim lacing: th-cam.com/video/EEv9IqMvUnQ/w-d-xo.html&t= You can jump to sections on things like asymmetric rims and 3-cross, in the video description. Please also refer to our User Guide here: www.lightbicycle.com/support/user-guides You can also reach out to sales@lightbicycle.com if you have any questions.
Thanks for the video!
Can i use asymmetric rim in any frame?
I was thinking to update my x1900 20mm rim to xr361 rim.
My front wheel laced offset on the non drive side. Am I having a problem with that? Hope you answer this. Thank you so much!
Will building with an asymmetric rim change the spoke length calculation ?
Yes it will make a slight difference. Generally, the spokes on the low tension side of the wheel will be 0.5mm shorter, and the spokes on the high tension side will be 0.5mm longer. So just round up or down accordingly, it's not a huge difference if the offset is in the 2-3mm range.
So, what is the tension of the spokes? Is it going to be equal tightness/tension of each spokes nd of each side?
Does the asymmetric rim fits any kind of hubs? Or does it fits only the asymmetric hubs that has different flange diameters/sizes?
The tension depends on the rims you choose, we have it listed under Wheelset Specs on our product pages located on our website. Asymmetrical rims are designed and drilled to compensate for the offset design of most hubs. The asymmetry of the rim allows the spokes to equalize in tension between the drive and non-drive sides of the wheel. So hub choice is up to you. If you want hub recommendations feel free to email us at support@lightbicycle.com Here is a list of some we like to use: www.lightbicycle.com/newsletter/Light-Bicycle-Bike-Hub-List-of-2020.html
just wanted to add to @LightBicycle's reply here. So basically if you are building a wheel with an asymmetric rim, you'll treat it the same (granted, slightly different spoke length DS vs NDS). You'll tension the DS (rear) and brake side (front), which are the higher tensioned sides, according to rim manufacturer recommendation(s). The lower tension side will ultimately be what it ends up being after you've brought the higher tension sides to where you need. The idea with asymmetric is that the spoke tensions will be closer to equalization than vs a symmetric rim. I.e. think of a boost vs non-boost hub with the triangulation. Anyway, was just trying to help clarify to answer your question. Of course, I'm not a rim manufacturer and I would trust what LightBicycle says over me if they correct what I say :)
Can i run inner tube on asymmetric rim?
If I have a front hub with different flange diameter no matter? I mean the only changing point will be the spoke length but direction of holes will be some as you are mentioning in your video?
Yes you are correct.
Are the advantages of asymmetrical rims valid when used on a single speed bike or IGH (Internal Gear Hub)?
I think I need to offset my rim to the hub!!! The rim and tire is not centered to the back frame... Don't know how much shorter the spokes needs to be the gear side....
I made new wheel with a wider rim, and now my tire is obviously wider...and rubbing on the brake side...
Wawawiwa!
pretty frustrating diagrams that don't show an offset rim when you mean too
He didn't talk about the disadvantages of the assymetric rim? Like for example on big drop you will have very uneven force and carbons are easily cracked because of this because one rim wall is shorter and one is longer. The balance of the rim is also off because all spokes are leaning offset from the center of rim. That's why you'll feel more assymetric rims are chattery compare to the centered spoke rim. You'll also consider the stiffer rim is not an advantage because you want a little flex on the rim when you go for a big drop, That's why assymetric rims are typically heavier to compensate for against impact force.
is this just a gimmick or is it ligit....
Oh yeah? Tell that to DT Swiss! They're ALL " symmetrical"
And they're she strongest, most durable and the most reliable wheels I've ever used personally, (ask Aaron Gwin back in 2015 on his EX471 in Leogang )😁😁! Besides..., My friend had his Santa Cruz reserve carbon which are " asymmetrical" ,and his rear end was too flexy compared to my DT Swiss FR 570 alloy wheels,... So I guess at this point, there's absolutely zero evidence to support such a theory!
someone write this guy an apology and one he deserves ! ..
No es una “teoría” es un hecho. Continua usando las súper indestructibles DT Swiss.😒
DT swiss have lots of asymmetrical rims in their lineup. Including aluminium low profile rims which will perhaps benefit the most.