So many people getting angry cause of this? Happy was dominating for so long and everybody was trying so hard to beat him. Now finally one guy made it work after such hard work and long time and now you want to nerf the whole race? Guys you are 50% bobs on battle net and have no idea
This is a chokehold now you can’t go dl third because he doesn’t do much against knights and also gyros since he’s max to max lvl 3 in late game and if you go cl third hu will powerbuild aviaries and produce gryphons.
I think ghouls did not really work out so well for Happy. It's back to fiends. Mass gyros and knights are a heavy counter to UD in general unless UD goes fiend casters.
can someone explain me WHY THE FAK would you play destroyer and ghouls when have exp ? why didnt he use what undead offers ? i mean i dont wanna say i,m a super pro gamer but i think that undead armee is shit late game.
It's very simple. Human is much better in absolutely everything. Except maybe focusing damage on 1 hero. Human has everything. Fast second base. Strong air. Broken staffs, strong heroes.
After 20 years, the balance race regarding HU & UD is still lame. The real problem should be, in begin game UD is not possible harass HU 2nd expo. 1- militia time is too long 2- Watter is too much heath for rage attach 3- UD 2nd expo ask too much in order to protect. After all things are balance in Mid game and End game . However, Tank, which should cost more or not anti magic. I am not Happy fan, but it is hard to deny that his skill is over power compare to top 10, however, , he can't find away to get out of this patch.
The AM seems to be too strong. Best summon, best aura and best AoE spell with a decent ulti. Early game is clearly favoured to HU right now, and most games are decided by time you get water mentos lvl2.
I haven’t been playing in ages but only recently i started to watch games again. I have question for UD players can Happy play Litch first and DL second in order to aid ghouls with vampiric aura and impose a threat with sleep on opposing heroes and then go for DK as the third hero?! Would that be a viable strategy against Humans?
in fact weakening the undead and constantly strengthening humans. made this confrontation absolutely broken. humans are now absolutely the strongest race in the game. and elves are the weakest
These comments are funny. Lots of malding about Happy and UD not being able to 5-0 anymore, especially against HU which was the case for the last 4+ years. HU finally competitive again and only manage 3-2 and it's maximum babyrage KEKW
1. The fact that millitia can hold a 6-8 ghoul attack by themselves, (imagine acolytes do that) 2. Why is WE so tanky and so strong? Compare to what? orc wolfs? 3. Destroyers is the only dispel for UD… which you can’t play cuss of Gyros? RIDICULOUS.
1. ghouls are not meant to be a strong tier 1 unit. they are a worker. 2. Wolfs have some advantages over WEs like faster movement, there are 2 of them and you can deny exp by re-summoning them. 3. Wand of negation
@@skullmanwizard 1. Ghouls are the T1 unit like EVERY class and they harvest wood. Acolytes is the comparison of the human worker not ghouls. Ghouls is Compared to footmen, Imagine Acolytes defending an attack of 8 footmens by themselves. 2. WE is still MUCH better and do much more havoc than wolves. 3. Wand of negation? Stfu man, you can’t win games with wand of negation, They expensive asf and require micro to used properly..
@@zhiro12 Ghouls are more comparable to militia than to footman. Ghouls scale footman doesn’t, ghouls gather lumber footman doesn’t, ghouls heal for free footman doesn’t etc…
@@zhiro12 I agree that wand is kind of bad but saying it doesn’t exist is like saying orc doesn’t have healing ward since it’s on bad unit… We sucks :) we only is good if you put 3-4 skill in it. And you should never compare 3-4 skill points vs 1-2… in case you don’t understand we cost lot of mana, so you are forced to go aura which is useless early on other than giving mana for we meaning you skill we + aura just for we. Compare it to cl beetles + impale. 0 chance for we to win :) I think problem is that they removed healing scroll and replaced it with wand. Ud needs better item in shop not ghoul buff or we nerf.
It's like watching any race play against NE... Same feeling If it's not Happy or 120, then there is no chance for any other UD player People talk about Forti being the top HU, but let's remember that Starbucks! The Starbucks! Won against Happy and he even took a selfie that day cuz he couldn't believe it xD
@@Ismail-f9t4oif Hu is so imbal, why is Forti the only player that continues to beat Happy regularly? Forti played phenomenal, look at his micro, macro, and decision making and you’ll see why he won.
@@Biobin123 Forty is good but nowqdays in battles that he was usred to struggle-now wins easily because human is nerfed too much! Pala+Mk+Rifle and average human mostly wins high rated player!
@ Why only forty is wining tournaments? Why can’t another hundred win a t1 tournament or at least be in grand finals? Or it’s account attached buff that works only for forty?
Dude, it's not Happy. If you watch all the tournament games and all the confrontations between Happy vs Forti and Starback, you should have noticed how incredibly strong Human is at the beginning and end of the game. The only window when you can beat Human is the middle of the game. But to do this, you must survive at the beginning and be able to defend your second base against Human. But it's incredibly, incredibly difficult. The number of elementals summoned at the same time should be reduced to 1. Also, the cost of helicopters should be increased to 2. And of course, Human staffs require rebalance. Now they are incredibly breaking the game
@@tamaslengyel1497 Because both love winning above all or everything so they team together to make sure to always win. Their love for winning is more than their hate in this case so they compromise to work together and win.
@@vvvodano, such players like blade and sturbuck got much higher elo ranking after beating happy and 120. And Starbuck made it twice which was never happened before
Glad happy won last game against human laming tanks... anyways human are still op af water elementals cancelling an almost finished gold mine themselves is just crazy!
@@redouaneortiz4917 water elementals have not been touched in nearly 2 decades. What is this you’re saying about water elementals being OP all of a sudden?
@@rich531you recognise a duck when you see one. The problem is present no matter what, it's impossible to get a second expo for ud in this match up for the first couple attempts unless you go full defend mode and abandon creeping
To be honest, I lose all desire to watch this crap. Human, who ALWAYS has an advantage at the beginning of the game due to the fast creeping of the militia, level 3 archmage and after receiving level 2 elementals, can easily cancel the summoned Haunted Gold Mine. But it is extremely difficult to protect the summoned HGM versus humans. Either let the HGM be built like all human buildings by all acolytes (do the same for elves and orcs) or give the undead a cut-down purge like the shamans have, which can be bought in the undead store. And Happy plays very badly. Why does he play naked ghouls against knights? Is this 2002? Where are the banshees and necromancers? I'm not even talking about the fact that the dreadlord was not in the group and did not take part in the battle... And why not use 2-3 wyrms against knights and also take a dreadlord against helicopters. Wyrms will be better than useless destroyers without mana. Maybe it's time for Happy to retire? He's clearly exhausted. Or he needs to rest for a couple of months.
I agree on everything except on the wyrms…. They move so slow, will get 1 shotted by Gyros and take twice as long to make, Dreadlord used to work, not anymore for some reason, In my opinion, Knights slicing fiends is kinda weird, Also banshees take SO much time and resources, by the time you live you are done… (hence why the naked ghouls)
@@uioup7453 no one is complaining, And UD has beated all classes? Or Happy…? Forti cant clear a map on Lyn… starbuck has never beat happy and already got him twice…. Just marking the unbalance there is with classes. If you can’t admit there is one… we clearly don’t see the game as it is…
@@zhiro12 you can use wyrms and necromancers that will increase the attack speed of wyrms. Naturally DK will give the necessary running speed. Happy will never win with pure ghouls against MK and knights or it will require an exorbitant effort and a huge advantage that he will not receive from the ghouls. This was known 20 years ago. It doesn't matter how many healing scrolls you take.The way I look at it is that you either stall for time and build necros or banshees, or you lose to the human with pure ghouls.
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59:10 that AM deny was by the cannon tower - by accident I think. Still awesome though :D
Very Professional commentaries by Remo.
I even enjoy remo overlay but having two casters is best
So many people getting angry cause of this? Happy was dominating for so long and everybody was trying so hard to beat him. Now finally one guy made it work after such hard work and long time and now you want to nerf the whole race? Guys you are 50% bobs on battle net and have no idea
What are you talking about, man? Are you going to argue that humans are the strongest race?
This is a chokehold now you can’t go dl third because he doesn’t do much against knights and also gyros since he’s max to max lvl 3 in late game and if you go cl third hu will powerbuild aviaries and produce gryphons.
pretty sure the absolute best unit for UD vs Human is troll priest.
I think ghouls did not really work out so well for Happy. It's back to fiends. Mass gyros and knights are a heavy counter to UD in general unless UD goes fiend casters.
can someone explain me WHY THE FAK would you play destroyer and ghouls when have exp ? why didnt he use what undead offers ? i mean i dont wanna say i,m a super pro gamer but i think that undead armee is shit late game.
It's very simple. Human is much better in absolutely everything. Except maybe focusing damage on 1 hero. Human has everything. Fast second base. Strong air. Broken staffs, strong heroes.
After 20 years, the balance race regarding HU & UD is still lame.
The real problem should be, in begin game UD is not possible harass HU 2nd expo.
1- militia time is too long
2- Watter is too much heath for rage attach
3- UD 2nd expo ask too much in order to protect.
After all things are balance in Mid game and End game . However, Tank, which should cost more or not anti magic.
I am not Happy fan, but it is hard to deny that his skill is over power compare to top 10, however, , he can't find away to get out of this patch.
The AM seems to be too strong. Best summon, best aura and best AoE spell with a decent ulti. Early game is clearly favoured to HU right now, and most games are decided by time you get water mentos lvl2.
@@Aidemusss UD get a better AM aura for 200g LMAO
Hu have best ultimate
lawl ignoring Lich are we?
I haven’t been playing in ages but only recently i started to watch games again. I have question for UD players can Happy play Litch first and DL second in order to aid ghouls with vampiric aura and impose a threat with sleep on opposing heroes and then go for DK as the third hero?! Would that be a viable strategy against Humans?
I suggest for balanced game to give undead distroyers to be morphed to both the distroyers' form and the status form back and forth
Happy still the best even after all last antiUD patches. The battle continues!
in fact weakening the undead and constantly strengthening humans. made this confrontation absolutely broken. humans are now absolutely the strongest race in the game. and elves are the weakest
Game 1 is why the fake expo/fast tech isn’t done more often.
Happy should have added towers and to keep more ghouls at home. He was being a little too greedy sending them all for harrass.
These comments are funny. Lots of malding about Happy and UD not being able to 5-0 anymore, especially against HU which was the case for the last 4+ years. HU finally competitive again and only manage 3-2 and it's maximum babyrage KEKW
just clown
1. The fact that millitia can hold a 6-8 ghoul attack by themselves, (imagine acolytes do that)
2. Why is WE so tanky and so strong? Compare to what? orc wolfs?
3. Destroyers is the only dispel for UD… which you can’t play cuss of Gyros? RIDICULOUS.
blizzard nerfed UD so much I'm refusing to return to wc3
1. ghouls are not meant to be a strong tier 1 unit. they are a worker.
2. Wolfs have some advantages over WEs like faster movement, there are 2 of them and you can deny exp by re-summoning them.
3. Wand of negation
@@skullmanwizard 1. Ghouls are the T1 unit like EVERY class and they harvest wood. Acolytes is the comparison of the human worker not ghouls. Ghouls is Compared to footmen, Imagine Acolytes defending an attack of 8 footmens by themselves.
2. WE is still MUCH better and do much more havoc than wolves.
3. Wand of negation? Stfu man, you can’t win games with wand of negation, They expensive asf and require micro to used properly..
@@zhiro12
Ghouls are more comparable to militia than to footman.
Ghouls scale footman doesn’t, ghouls gather lumber footman doesn’t, ghouls heal for free footman doesn’t etc…
@@zhiro12
I agree that wand is kind of bad but saying it doesn’t exist is like saying orc doesn’t have healing ward since it’s on bad unit…
We sucks :) we only is good if you put 3-4 skill in it. And you should never compare 3-4 skill points vs 1-2… in case you don’t understand we cost lot of mana, so you are forced to go aura which is useless early on other than giving mana for we meaning you skill we + aura just for we. Compare it to cl beetles + impale. 0 chance for we to win :)
I think problem is that they removed healing scroll and replaced it with wand. Ud needs better item in shop not ghoul buff or we nerf.
4:32 - wtf, how did that aco survived the footie attack?
Happy is hero!
Spoiler shield 🛡️
No reason, everything was understood at a 4th minute…
Stopped watching at around 8th minute…Just as I’ve been mentioning for the past 4-6 months…HU has superior advantage versus UD…
It's like watching any race play against NE... Same feeling
If it's not Happy or 120, then there is no chance for any other UD player
People talk about Forti being the top HU, but let's remember that Starbucks! The Starbucks! Won against Happy and he even took a selfie that day cuz he couldn't believe it xD
@@timurradman3999 what's surprising about that? humans are actually the strongest and best race in warcraft 3
human needs to be nerfed.
Why zoom out phone wiver here...
Why happy always play ghoul s?
Forti is just better
hope that happy have a chance, didn´t watch yet
No chance buddy. Human imba
@@Ismail-f9t4oif Hu is so imbal, why is Forti the only player that continues to beat Happy regularly? Forti played phenomenal, look at his micro, macro, and decision making and you’ll see why he won.
@@rich531 he's not the only one though, Starbuck has beaten Happy recently ez
@@Querens lol
@@Querens Starbucks has drastically improved. He’s even beating players as orc more too..
Undead life matters!!!!! Nerf humans!
NE: Am I a joke to you?
NERFED HUMAN!!!
Yeah they nerfed hu too much but forty still wins !
@@Biobin123 Forty is good but nowqdays in battles that he was usred to struggle-now wins easily because human is nerfed too much! Pala+Mk+Rifle and average human mostly wins high rated player!
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Why only forty is wining tournaments? Why can’t another hundred win a t1 tournament or at least be in grand finals? Or it’s account attached buff that works only for forty?
@ lol. Do you watch tournaments? Do you that players WHO used to win easily in nowqdays have only problema with humans?
@@k8shen480 what?
Everytime happy lost the opposing side is just op😂😂😂, what a bs
Dude, it's not Happy. If you watch all the tournament games and all the confrontations between Happy vs Forti and Starback, you should have noticed how incredibly strong Human is at the beginning and end of the game. The only window when you can beat Human is the middle of the game. But to do this, you must survive at the beginning and be able to defend your second base against Human. But it's incredibly, incredibly difficult. The number of elementals summoned at the same time should be reduced to 1. Also, the cost of helicopters should be increased to 2. And of course, Human staffs require rebalance. Now they are incredibly breaking the game
Happy must hate Fortitude so much
They are often 2v2 partners.
@@tamaslengyel1497 Because both love winning above all or everything so they team together to make sure to always win. Their love for winning is more than their hate in this case so they compromise to work together and win.
@@CalebePriesterHu and UD is a bad 2v2 partner. You need an orc
@@tak08810 Both are so good that this is not a problem for them.
@@CalebePriester yeah but I don’t think they’ve had too much success. The top 2v2 teams are Infi/fly and eer0/xiaokk
if happy and 120 can't win against HU, what chances do peasants like us have
they can win, just not against Fortitude
Ud was op before, that’s why happy won all the games.
@@crypty9365what a bs comment...
@@crypty9365 op before (~50% wr)
@@vvvodano, such players like blade and sturbuck got much higher elo ranking after beating happy and 120. And Starbuck made it twice which was never happened before
Glad happy won last game against human laming tanks... anyways human are still op af water elementals cancelling an almost finished gold mine themselves is just crazy!
@@redouaneortiz4917 water elementals have not been touched in nearly 2 decades. What is this you’re saying about water elementals being OP all of a sudden?
@@rich531you recognise a duck when you see one. The problem is present no matter what, it's impossible to get a second expo for ud in this match up for the first couple attempts unless you go full defend mode and abandon creeping
To be honest, I lose all desire to watch this crap. Human, who ALWAYS has an advantage at the beginning of the game due to the fast creeping of the militia, level 3 archmage and after receiving level 2 elementals, can easily cancel the summoned Haunted Gold Mine. But it is extremely difficult to protect the summoned HGM versus humans. Either let the HGM be built like all human buildings by all acolytes (do the same for elves and orcs) or give the undead a cut-down purge like the shamans have, which can be bought in the undead store. And Happy plays very badly. Why does he play naked ghouls against knights? Is this 2002? Where are the banshees and necromancers? I'm not even talking about the fact that the dreadlord was not in the group and did not take part in the battle... And why not use 2-3 wyrms against knights and also take a dreadlord against helicopters. Wyrms will be better than useless destroyers without mana. Maybe it's time for Happy to retire? He's clearly exhausted. Or he needs to rest for a couple of months.
I agree on everything except on the wyrms…. They move so slow, will get 1 shotted by Gyros and take twice as long to make, Dreadlord used to work, not anymore for some reason, In my opinion, Knights slicing fiends is kinda weird, Also banshees take SO much time and resources, by the time you live you are done… (hence why the naked ghouls)
Ain't no way that you are complaining when UD is beating every race for 6 years in a row thats crazyyyyy
@@uioup7453 no one is complaining, And UD has beated all classes? Or Happy…? Forti cant clear a map on Lyn… starbuck has never beat happy and already got him twice…. Just marking the unbalance there is with classes. If you can’t admit there is one… we clearly don’t see the game as it is…
@@zhiro12can apply the same answer here? So it’s happy that cann’t defend the HGM as other players could.
@@zhiro12 you can use wyrms and necromancers that will increase the attack speed of wyrms. Naturally DK will give the necessary running speed. Happy will never win with pure ghouls against MK and knights or it will require an exorbitant effort and a huge advantage that he will not receive from the ghouls. This was known 20 years ago. It doesn't matter how many healing scrolls you take.The way I look at it is that you either stall for time and build necros or banshees, or you lose to the human with pure ghouls.
Forti after game: Little Happy, Kneel Before Me!