MILGRAM / Amane - The Purge March [The Second Trial Music Video]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2023
- “I disavow you”
Vocal: Amane (CV: Minami Tanaka)
2nd Trial 8th EP Amane (CV: Minami Tanaka) “The Purge March” 2023.8.30 Release.
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“The Purge March” Instrumental
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■Music Credit
Lyrics & Music: DECO*27
Arrangement: TeddyLoid
■Movie Credit
Movie by OTOIRO
Director: kee
Character Designer: Cona Nitanda
Character Prop Designer: kee
Key Animator: kee, akka, 1024, RL, Cona Nitanda, MAKARIA, LEE MINJI, Chihiro Yoshida
Animator / Finishing: MAKARIA
Color Supervisor: Miku Oi
Background Artist: MAKARIA, Noriyo Gouroku
Prop Designer: lowpolydog, Yamato Kitazono
Composite: Naoki Hasegawa, kee, akka, Composite Team
VFX: Naoki Hasegawa
English Translator: Iori Majima
Art Director: DMYM
Original Character Designer: akka
Project Manager: Iori Majima
Sound Product Manager: Yusuke Sato
Story / Author: Takuya Yamanaka
■Producer
Takuya Yamanaka
DECO*27
Tomonari Sakai (arma bianca)
■Official Site
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Lyrics:
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen! It’s the beginning of a most wonderful day
However, there are blasphemers and silent by-standers, who would have it otherwise
We must not give into them, they are the ones that should be judged
With pure, unsullied body and soul, let us preach all that is true and right
’Tis ordained, thou shall follow thine destiny
’Tis ordained, thou shall discard vulgarity
’Tis ordained, thou shall deliver unto those thou believest in
’Tis ordained, thou shall stay thine course, then perish
The “It can’t be helped”, from the scum who can’t be helped
That makes them doubtlessly, clearly, absolutely, unequivocally, beyond any doubt, GUILTY
I disavow you, eyes corrupted must be crushed
So nary a sound can be uttered a second time, I’ll crush your throat too
After you cry, repent, and kneel, it’s now your turn to say that hopeless “I’m sorry”
If you become a bad girl, monsters will come out
This is the magic that stops that from happening
’Tis ordained, thou shall follow thine destiny
’Tis ordained, thou shall discard vulgarity
’Tis ordained, thou shall deliver unto those thou believest in
’Tis ordained, thou shall stay thine course, then perish
Despite this
The “It can’t be helped”, from the scum that can’t be helped
That makes them doubtlessly, clearly, absolutely, unequivocally, beyond any doubt, categorically, emphatically, GUILTY
I disavow you, eyes corrupted must be crushed
So nary a sound can be uttered a second time, I’ll crush your throat too
I don’t need it any more, if you’re going to break your vow
Here and now, it’s my turn to tear you apart
So there is no second time, I’ll give back the judgment that you gave to me
After you cry, repent, and kneel, it’s now your turn to say that hopeless “I’m sorry”
You’re sorry? I don’t care! Please, go ahead and die already
Remember MY cries, MY repents, MY words of “I’m sorry” that I said to you?
©MILGRAM - เพลง
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while everyone is fixated on the lore and stuff, i’m more impressed on how damn fluid the animations are on that baton twirl
TRUE THEYVE GOTTEN BETTER
Those twirls are living rent free in my head ☺️
Seriously I can watch it repeatly for an hour and still get amazed by the smoothness gosh
The animators went cray-cray too
They wanted to be a little silly
comparing the trial 1 MVs to the trial 2 MVs is such night and day differences. Purge March especially has more polished, detailed animations than the rest (I can see this MV come out from an anime episode, thats how more detailed it is, it feels more than a music video to me), big massive props to the animators honestly
猫を失った絶望、宗教による脅迫への諦観、そしてなにより自分を救ってくれなかった全員への怨嗟がこもった歌だ
完全にそれで腑に落ちてしまいました😂
あまりにも的確すぎて…
だから最初の曲に猫が…
怨念が篭りながらも粛清を行い続けるの辛すぎる…
1:45
全てが嫌になり吹っ切れて
笑顔で帰ってる姿が怖い
最後に親を潰したか…
赦しても赦さなくても毒親の肯定になるの辛すぎ
ほんこれ
あ、考えてみたかそうだ.....
赦す→教団と教義の肯定
赦さない→教団に背いたアマネを否定
なるほど…
『「ごめんなさい」言ってみろよ』のパート、１番はかわいらしく歌ってるのに２番は感情吐き散らすように力込めて歌ってるの最高に好きなんですよね
伝わるかわからないけど、2番の言ってみろよがアニメの「日常」のツッコミにちょっと似てて好き
0:57
2:08
おまじないで"ですよ"と無理やり言ってるのにこんなビデオでこんなに。。。
ほんとや！気づかんかった…
After Amane saved the cat she got tasered by her parent. In Magic, electricity is how the pink robot punish her, and we can confirm that the punishment correspond with the 'sin' she committed with how she dropped the blue flag (vulgarity) and got water tortured (corresponded with the blue robot). The pink flag represent 'destiny'. My theory is that she got punished because she 'interfered with destiny' by saving the cat.
I think you have a really good point.
Nice
oh my god you might really be onto something here!! that would explain why her cult is so against medicine
Adding onto this, by (presumably) killing/harming the cat, that would also be interfering with destiny. 'I'll give back the judgement you gave me,' is Amane calling out the hypocrisy of the cult for punishing her for a sin they also committed.
check 1:33 2:26 and 1:03 she got all of the punisments in magic, you have a really good point! if we connect the covered up story in magic she heals the cat and then gets punished. hypnosis, water and shock, just like in here she gets waterboarded, tased and hypnotized. it was very covered up but the guilty vote broke her and the mv showed more this time. same story different setting
okay I originally assumed whoever she killed must of been killed for the sake of the cult she was in but now it seems as if she killed whoever was forcing her to partake in the cult and abusing her throughout it? which I can entirely forgive her for
She mentions something about breaking a vow, so I'm guessing that by killing the cat, her victim committed a sin, so just how amane was punished by them for committing "sins", she punished them.
People who voted her guilty are insane. Its clear from the start she’s a victim of the cult and of abuse. It showed obviously the beliefs and abuse forced in her caused her to kill the person from the start. It’s so jarring since most people who understood this were survivors of abuse and cults and most people who never went through these things just viewed her as someone guilty. Not as the victim that she is.
@@hinatashouyou2790
Actually, people were metavoting. They thought voting her guilty would make her realize that the cult was wrong as everyone assumed she killed for the sake of the beliefs the cultists instilled. They wanted her to think the cult was bad. They already forgave her but didn't want to enforce the idea that the cult wasn't bad. Most people didn't assume she killed her abuser as this song seems to imply.
@@hinatashouyou2790it's not about guilt!! it's forgive/not forgive - being forgiven enables prisoners in thinking they were right to commit their crime and not forgiven rejects that notion - pple were trying to steer amane from her cult mentality and it backfired bruh
which was highlighted and kinda mocked in the voting results video
@@cordyCactually it is said u can vote for whatever reasons u want. (The deer thing said)
アマネのアザの位置が丁度マーチの帽子で隠れて見えなくなるの、「ずっと表面化しなかった暴力」って感じで良い
その解釈好きすぎるわ。ありがとう
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天才
不定
宗教2世当事者です。
加えて父親から虐待を受けていましたが閉鎖的な環境ゆえ気付かず、自分は幸せで愛されていると思い込んでいました。
このテーマは扱われることがあまりないので嬉しいです。制作陣の方々ありがとうございます。アマネちゃんが厳しい規律を守らなくてもアマネちゃんだというだけで愛される環境が作られることを願います。
コメント失礼します
親の宗教は何でしょうか？
@@user-nd1dg3jz8n
家燃えた人に「放火？放火ですか？」って悪気なく聞くタイプ？
@@user-nd1dg3jz8n大して親しくない知人の葬式で遺族に死因をいきなり質問するタイプ
@@user-nd1dg3jz8n
あったこと無い人と話してはいけないタブーの政治・宗教・野球の地雷を思いっきり踏み抜きに行くとかアンタやべぇよ…
なるほど、これってタブーな質問なんですね。
大元のコメントを信じてもらえないかと思い回答しましたが取り下げておきます。
I don't think she murdered the cat. She murdered the father
She said her father was travelling so it probably was her mother or other cult member. The point is that she killed a person who used to punish her.
I still don’t understand why she is so fixated on the cult way.
@@serokery8819 she’s an impressionable 12 year old, grew up in a cult and gets punished if she doesn’t follow their teachings 😭 cults aren’t easy to get out of, especially if you’re a child.
@@serokery8819 she's raised by the cult way, a kid dont know right and wrong yet so the adult has to teach it to them, now the cult teach whats wrong and right to her, and now we the voter teach amane if her action is guilty or not which makes her current distorted character
@@serokery8819From the way I understood it. She internalized all of their philosophies. And then eventually came to the viewpoint that her parental figure wasn't fitting their image and deserve to be punished. She returned to their judgment back to them. Almost mirroring what she's trying to do to us now.
アマネちゃんの目線のところに宗教の教えが書いてある張り紙してあるのって徹底的に洗脳させようって気がはっきりしてて怖い
どこ？
1:30 くらいかと
あの4人組(？)のポスターも貼ってある…
第二審見たあとに第一審見たらさらに怖い
Brainwashing is not required when abuse occurs against a religious person as it acts as a heavy philosophical and psychological bias towards the things which that person would already consider good due to their own biological predispositions.
Her family being religious wouldn't do much more than add a foundation that she would then do with as she pleases.
Religion just added a protective theme on top of her extreme physical and psychological distress.
I see the umbrella discussed often as a murder weapon, but I don't see much discussion around it as a symbol, which surprised me, since it's possibly one of the most important symbols in Purge March. I believe that it represents three things: Amane's Faith, Amane's Motive, and Amane's Attitude.
To set some groundwork for this theory; The opening scene of Purge March shows what's happening in Amane's head as well as representing what is happening to her in reality. A flag-bearer (likely the one with her flag on the ground while the second ordainment of her faith was announced) fumbles her routine and drops her flag. This represents an event in the real world where Amane violates an ordainment or fails to act according to her faith, and in both worlds this is a punishable offense.
A common symbol for Amane's punishment/trespass is the rain. Here, the rain begins on the cue of the marching band's leader (implied to represent Amane herself, or perhaps her will). As the flag-bearer is marked for punishment, it begins raining.
This is Amane's mind purging the reasons for the punishment (i.e. her 'sins'). Once the radical factor (the failure flag-bearer) is suppressed, the rain stops - indicating that Amane has repressed the aspects of her mind that cause the actions that deserve punishment.
Since punishment is symbolized by rain, we can see how the Umbrella represents her faith: it is something she uses to keep the rain OFF (i.e. it represents the method that she uses to avoid punishment and suffering). When Amane feels threatened, her faith protects her.
Additionally, the first time we see it opened is when she finally internalizes the tenants of her faith after finding the cat gone - implying that this way of using her faith is a recent development, and possibly unique to her.
This brings us to motive. Amane's umbrella is juxtaposed with the baton - which in turn is associated with the murder weapon via glimpses of blood-splatters. This maps well with what we know when interpreted metaphorically - In order to protect herself (in both mind and body), she brandishes her faith, as both shield and weapon. The two actions cannot be separated, because they are the same process in Amane's mind. Everything that Amane does as part of her faith is also done in service of protecting herself from the world around her, and that behavior has been re-enforced every time she was punished for being less than perfect. The guilty vote bounced right off her like rain off an umbrella, and the more it rains the tighter she holds the thing keeping her dry.
Finally, her attitude. Since the concepts of self-protection are linked to the concepts of her faith, any attack on her faith is also an attack on her safety. You can't deny her faith without exposing her to perceived danger, as far as her mind understands it. Therefore, while there is nothing outside the cult that she trusts, her faith will be unmoveable. Only once there is shelter available will Amane lower the umbrella.
Some additional notes and responses:
The umbrella likely isn't the murder weapon in actuality. They're light and weak and are pretty difficult to murder someone with at the best of times. The scene at the end shows an imaginary Amane, not a real one - therefore I suspect it is a more symbolic cue. Whatever the object she used to murder her mother was, the video implies that the way SHE sees it, the TRUE weapon was her faith, which protected her when she needed it most, which is represented via the Baton/Umbrella.
Anyone who thinks that the murder is solely motivated by religion are confusing MOTIVE with JUSTIFICATION.
The lyrics of Purge March very obviously point towards this as a murder MOTIVATED fundamentally by revenge and hatred (Amane mentions hate in her first interview), and Purge March is full of references to her motives being at least deeply coloured by the motivation of revenge.
The JUSTIFICATION she uses is that of her faith - since her faith has ALWAYS been her sole means of protecting herself.
"I'm worried she'll kill Shidou!"
Amane isn't as intelligent as she might seem. She is well-spoken and very mature in certain ways, but it's noted that her grades are average, and that she isn't especially good at studying even though it's basically her hobby. Her great masterful plan to kill Es was literally to run at him screaming with scissors, and it's pretty reasonable to assume that if she didn't have access to a taser, then she likely wouldn't even have been able to accomplish her murder in the first place. She is also the weakest prisoner, and the shortest.
Additionally - if you're worried about Shidou - then you should consider how badly Amane's psychological torture and continuing breakdown is affecting Shidou's already horrible mental health.
"Voting guilty is safer than voting innocent"
Unfounded at best, outright false at worst. Amane pulls out the holy war when feeling threatened - voting her guilty will just lock her into that mode of action by putting her under constant psychological attack.
Voting her innocent, on the other hand, has the potential to give her something to trust other than her faith, and a possible avenue for the adults to try to get through to her (as they have been trying to do, but unable to do because of her guilty verdict making her essentially stonewall reality).
"I'm afraid I'll affirm her faith in the cult's beliefs!"
You're going to do that with EITHER vote. Innocent will give her views validation ("see, they agree with me!") and Guilty will... give her views validation ("See? God is the only one who will forgive me.") That is how cult doctrines are DESIGNED. Believing you can change her faith by voting her guilty is completely misguided.
@@user-vs2pr8ln7k that's a great analysis thank you for sharing! I also find it kind of ironic how the audience wants to punish Amane for her beliefs to make her realize that what she did is wrong because it's just like what the cult was doing to her. We can see that her response to being threatened is affirming her beliefs - like you said. I do like Milgram for making us rethink things because it's not just as simple as it seems.
@@maki5365 Thankyou!
Honestly, the Milgram fandom makes me despair for people's reading comprehension; we've been told over and over and over that we can't change Amane's views through our voting. It boggles my mind that people are still saying "vote her guilty so you don't affirm her beliefs!" Like, bro, did you even see the result of T1...
If this project has taught me anything it is that I never want to be judged before a jury of my peers because half of them don't even pay attention
@@user-vs2pr8ln7k I find your analysis convincing, but respectfully, I still can't seem to see myself vote Amane innocent. I don't know... I feel like I can't expect Amane to trust someone other than her faith if we vote her innocent. We made a mistake on trial 1, voting her guilty, but we barely knew anything about her backstory in trial 1 so I can't blame the people. We went through the wrong route, so I feel like we should take actions to stop it and by voting her innocent may encourage her to continue live through her doctrine. Seeing her in a heavy mental distress right now, I think voting her innocent will only make her be open to be easily hostile to other prisoners. She may be the weakest, but I feel like she is smart enough to set up traps or something that might hurt other prisoners, especially Shidou. I just feel like voting her guilty is better in this situation, even though it will get to the point where she will only get worse, I feel like its better than putting other Prisoners at risk too because I don't believe shes going to be friendly to the prisoners because we gave her trust aside from her faith. Maybe... if we keep voting her guilty, she will eventually see her "believing in her cult's doctrines" as some kind of punishment, which make slowly make her turn away from those doctrines by her cult that has horribly ruined her childhood and her life.
Amane's situation makes me stumped, ever since the start. Your analysis is really good and giving her an innocent vote might help her in a way, but I'm just not sure if that is how Amane will react if we give her an innocent vote. (Imagine if she got voted guilty and I just started regretting saying all of this)
@@lts_PB Honestly, if I was just going off her general attitude, then I'd be in the same camp you are lol. The things that make me think otherwise are as follows;
1. Amane explicitly gave us another chance at "showing her the ideals of Milgram" in her second Voice Drama. These 'ideals of Milgram' only interest her if they can forgive her, and she's very clear that she's still willing to work with the system as long as she respects it. Forgiveness is the reason she clings so hard to her faith to begin with, and - importantly - it has never been offered to her outside of her cult, so it makes sense that it'd be required for her to listen to anything we say.
For anyone who is worries that she'll take an 'innocent' vote as a sign of support of her cult - remember that she can hear the reasons why people vote in their own words. The story has made this clear over and over again - that the reasons we vote can be as important as the vote itself. The fanbase clearly isn't voting amane innocent out of support for her views, so I don't think there's any danger of her interpreting being forgiven as a vote of confidence in her faith.
There isn't any reason to think that she's lying, either. Every thing she has said to us so far has been 100% followed through on, even her declaration that she will 'deny our judgement' if we vote her guilty. She did - and she hasn't moved an inch. Lying is almost certainly against her faith's central tenants, so we can take her word as the truth (at least, insofar as she sees it).
2. Voting guilty is not just counterproductive, as it will drive her even deeper into her dogmatism, it is also DANGEROUS, since it will commit us irrevocably to very sad outcome.
To begin with, Amane made it clear in her second Voice Drama that she will not forgive us for condemning her twice in a row. If we vote her guilty now, we lose any real ability to influence her in T3. Furthermore, we prevent other characters from helping her or interacting positively with her, as her defenses will always be up, and she will be constantly disassociating. You can see this from the 2023/01/17 Timeline conversation, where Mahiru isn't even sure if she's talking to Amane at all. If she's allowed to lower her defenses, then suddenly the rest of the cast can actually do something, which would give us a lot more options and data for Tier 3.
If she's not, and gets voted guilty, then we commit to the spiral of radicalization, and basically condemn her. Worse, we make her an actively hostile force against the institution itself, since everything would be her enemy, and that means that she'll probably be voted guilty in T3 too.
3. Trying to punish her out of a behavior makes us just as bad as the hypocrites in her cult. Of course she'd reject that method of discipline - punishment without forgiveness is just torture, and that's just another trial of god to be endured.
The only thing a guilty vote will convince her of is that she is right, and we are wrong. It's the only move her psyche can make - she won't put down the umbrella without shelter.
And that's basically the short version of my logic lol. Don't think of it as me telling you to vote one way or another though, this is just my own perspective, and the projects can be very interpretative - I just figure that this kind of discussion is what the project is all about, so why not throw it out there :P
アマネちゃん許されてよかったのか1番後悔してる。
・許されなかった囚人は思考を否定される
→宗教的思考から解放するのに必要な行為
・シドウさんへの「忠告はしたからな」発言
→許された囚人は思考の肯定と行動の自由が許されるから襲撃されそう。
何よりシドウさんは子供を失ってる可能性高いから"子供"からの行動で与える影響高いと思うし、完全にアマネのこと子供扱いしてるし…
でも思考から解放するのもこっちの都合だしなんとも言えない…運営の手のひらで踊らされてるよ〜
She is so sane, she is so normal
Don’t gaslight yourself that’s bad for you…
she has bpd beautiful princess disorder
shes so normal i love the way Amane act, its very normal. Its so normal, Amane normalled her father into normalness
most normal vocaloid lover
Y’all this is a kid 💀
Honestly, this girl doesn't need us to judge her, she just needs a warm house with a real family to take care of her, and access to therapy...
The real family is the thing she honestly needs the most
Almost all these characters need therapy and not to be in this situation, that's the tragedy of Milgram. We can't give them what they really need. All we can do is judge them.
Sadly, she has a twisted mentality and shouldn't be released. I'd vote for guilty, though I do agree she is innocent and I'd completely in the right, but she is most likely to kill again. We cannot have someone as dangerous as her out there, she poses a threat to society.
@@AnarchySystemI feel like in this situation she did it after a long build up and also partially in self defense. It seems like she was a good person she's just heavily traumatized, she could only take so much before she snapped. It's true that she probably just needs a real family that won't mistreat, force and abuse her😭
@@AnarchySystem she's also 12
この曲からミルグラムを知ったんですけど、『かわいいなぁ』じゃだめですか？だめですか……
いいと思います！判断基準に性癖があるので👍
おめめぐるぐる好き
いいと思いますよ！
私も『かわいいな〜、狂ってるな〜、可愛いな〜』って感じで脳死ですもん！（）
いいと思います！可愛いと私も思います
可愛いから仕方ない
この曲がなければミルグラムに出会えてなかったから赦さないに入れてくれた人ありがとうって思う
同じく
私もです❤
同士よ
Me too
私も同じです
冒頭では失敗していたバトントワリングが、ぐるぐる目になってからは上達しているところ、アマネちゃんの人間らしさが失われている様に感じれて辛い。
バトントワリングを落としたのは
その掟を破ったからって考察すき
このバトントワリングが宗教の掟や宗教を肯定する行為だった場合、ラスサビのあまねちゃんは何度それを繰り返してしまったのだろうか
0:38 明るくえぐいこと歌ってるの良すぎる
2:18よく見たら指揮杖に血が、、
2:18をよく見るためにいちばん遅い倍速にしてそのまま視聴したら怖かった😇笑
オススメに出てきたので、可愛い絵柄だと思って聴いてみたところ
なかなか重そうな映像が流れて、そのままミルグラムに興味持ちました
2:19 血がついてるのに気づいて一気に惹き込まれました😂
この子は赦してしまうと、思想(宗教？)を肯定してしまうことになりそうですが
赦さないと自我保てなさそうで、どうしようもなさそうに思えてしまいますね😭
ほんとだ！！！！凄いよく気がつきましたね！！！
サビのよく聞き取れないコーラスが後半でちゃんと日本語が聞き取れるようになるの、嫌な方向に吹っ切れて考えがクリアになったって感じがする
天才すぎちゃった
i think the last line is probably the most important one. "You’re sorry? I don’t care! Please, go ahead and die already
Remember MY cries, MY repents, MY words of “I’m sorry” that I said to you?" its like instead of being brainwashed by the cult, she killed the one that brainwashed her. Someone begging her not to hurt them, as if they listened to her when she begged them. in other words amane slayed(literally)
edit : also, rewatching the voicedrama i'd like to say that she knew the enviroment she's in was bad even BEFORE milgram even started. From the way she speaks in the first voicedrama you can tell she KNOWS her enviroment is bad at some level, she twists the things abusers have said to HER and uses it to defend herself because she KNOWS from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE how that will affect the other. She's so much more than just an "indocrinated child". I think she knew the hypocrisy of the cult, that she knew what they were doing to her were sins as well, and that that was one of the reasons she killed whoever she did
Agreed, she got my innocent vote😭
my daughter is so forgiven for that.. AMANE INNO FOR LIFE
YESSS UR SO REAL SHES INNO ‼️‼️
Looking at her from this perspective, i'm actually gonna forgive her this time
Surely it will have good consequences and author of this project won't be a dick, right? 🥲
only problem with that is that in her voice drama she makes it clear that she clearly believes the cults teachings. She even sees her murder as her duty. I think she is talking to ES when she said that
AMANE LOOKS CRAZY AF.
IT'S PERFECT
i hope she snaps at es in her vd
@@itsallinslowmotion IDK WHO SHE'S GOING TO SNAP AT EXACTLY BUT SHE'S 100% GONNA SNAP AT SOMEBODY
YES WOMSLAY SLAY🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 amane t2 inno is gonna become REAL
SHE SHALL SLAY
SHE SHALL COOK
SHE SHALL MAKE THE CROWD GO WILD
SHE SHALL BE INNOCENT
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虐待も愛と受け入れて自分が間違えるから悪いんだもっと良い子にって心をころしてきたのにそれを覆された時どれほど傷ついて腹立たしかったか想像するだけで辛い
Te entendo
In the interrogation questions for the second trial Amane said that she wished her mother would have kept her faith until the very end. Also in the interrogation questions for the first trial she mentions that her father has been on a journey for a while, implying he is absent and she holds him in high regards as well, wanting to see him and praising his work. So, I strongly believe that the person she killed was her mother. Both MV's show that she is tasered, nearly drowned, punched or slapped and yelled at. It can be inferred that her mother punishes her in one or more of these ways whenever she goes against the doctrine. In this MV she mentions people who go against the doctrine and say "It can't be helped". I believe this refers to her mother, where her mother punishes her for every small offence, while making excuses for herself as to why she shouldn't be punished. When Amane helps the cat she goes against the doctrine and she is caught doing so by others from her church (the man and child who tell her mother). When she returns home she is punished, but this time her mother takes it a step further and kills the cat. When Amane discovers this it's her last straw and she kills her mom. In the first MV she is convincing herself that killing her mother would please the Wise One. Then in this MV she is singing about taking revenge on her mother.
So technically… the goal of voting her guilty was so that we wouldn’t affirm her beliefs in her cult. Technically this is a win right? But she’s really losing her humanity in the process
なんだか、許す許さない以前に苦しくて涙が出てきた。こんなに小さい子が、守るべき大人に守られず、泣いて悔やんで跪いたらごめんなさいって言ってみろなんて、やられたことを返すってことは、そうしろって言われたってことなんだよね。苦しいよ……どうしてアマネちゃんがそんな目に合わなくちゃ行けなかったのか苦しくて仕方がない。彼女を助けるのはミルグラムでは無い
現実にこういう境遇の子供がいるので、そちらにもその優しさを向けていただけたら幸いです
最初のアマネちゃん達はマーチ。って感じで秩序正しい感じで行進してたのに、ラスサビでは秩序なんてなんにもなくなってて好き
Pretty sure that conveys her mental state as well, well from my point of view at least.
なるほどなぁ🧐
なりふり構わない盲目的なバンザイ突撃に見える
明らか心がブチ壊れてしまい自我を失ってしまった結果暴走しちゃってるの辛すぎる
時系列が前後してる可能性もあるよ
サビで入るよく分かんないコーラス好き
1:02
2:07
2回目の憎しみを感じる歌い方すごい、、、
Damn we’re already getting another song cat feels so recent
this was the typical pace in season 1
Pairs of prisoners (01 and 02, 03 and 04, 05 and 06 ect) would have only a month between them
Weakness released in June, so Umbilical comes out July
Then there'd be an extra month between pairs
So there was no MV in August but Bring it On came out in September and After Pain in October)
Then COVID messed up production stuff so a lot of things were behind schedule causing three month gaps between Magic, MeMe and Harrow
They tried returning to this schedule at the start of the season with AKAA coming out in August then Teardrop in September
But then I guess they needed more time because there were extra months between Backdraft and Its not my fault as well as Triage and Diasuki
Hopefully they're back on track for good now and with Double releasing in October, we'll get Deep Cover in November meaning MILGRAM trial 2 will conclude in Febuary 2024 and we suffer and pray until whenever the third trial starts with all its consequences for our stupidity
@@jl8417 thanks this is really helpful. I got into milgram post trial 2 so this was really helpful!
We also had cat Yuno and Mahiru feeding rats like a cat.
@@genericyoutubecommentchann7418what a pattern- i wonder if its important
or its just a theme for season2 lol
@@jl8417 it’s also because rockwell and teddyloid work alongside deco*27 with composing the songs now, so the pace that the songs are released in sped up as well!
ボイスドラマ見ないと印象変わってしまう曲
これは宗教に縛られたアマネが反抗して相手を殺した曲ではなく、宗教に飲み込まれた彼女が人を殺した曲
だから反抗ではなくむしろ従順であり諦めに近いんだよ〜……
赦したら赦されなくなるのはアマネ自身……
赦さないことでたとえボイスドラマの通り一生恨まれるとしてもいいよ。覚悟の上で向き合いたい……
最初何言ってるかわからなかった歌詞の部分が最後には聞こえるの、あやふやだった周りの人をああしてやりたいこうしてやりたいっていう気持ちがはっきりしたって感じで好き…幼さも出てて良い
0:28 ここのクルッと回るカット綺麗で、好き
アマネちゃんを幸せにするにはどっちに投票すればいいんだ…
できれば洗脳を解いて元の優しい性格に戻って欲しいな
ラスサビの「言ってみろよ！」の言い方が強いのめっちゃ好きすぎる……
めっちゃ分かります！！！！！
最初は「言ってみろよ。」
って呆れながらも無理やり言わせようとしてる感じで、
最後は「言ってみろよ！！」
ってそれでも言わなくて従わなくて無理やり言わせようと色んな手段を用いて言わせようとしてて好き。
つまるところどっちも好き。
すごい分かります
もしかしたら粛清マーチって…
アマネちゃんが宗教が正しいと粛清させる…って事？
それだったら視聴者ショックする？
わかります。言い方かっこいいですよね
1:45 ここ泣いたあとちゃんとあるし暴力のあともしっかり見えるの辛いな
指揮者の服が上から下まで真っ白なのも、清純で何にも染まらないって感じていいな…
これ第三審のMVで一気に覆してくると思っている......
このコメはは完全に僕個人の考察なので予め了承ください。
「赦す」と「赦さない」が拮抗した末の第一審「赦さない」だったのがまたもや拮抗して今度は「赦す」になった流れを見るに、
視聴者全体のアマネ一家の宗教へののめり込み具合の解像度が「おまじない」の時よりも格段に上がってるから、「悪いのはアマネじゃなくて家族や宗教である」って考える人が増えたってことだよね。
ここからはメタ考察なんだけど、この「真に悪いのはアマネではない」って思わせること自体がミスリードの可能性があると思ってる。
アマネは生まれたときから親に宗教の教えを言いつけられているっぽいし、完全に洗脳されているのであれば教えに反することなんてしないはずなんだよ。でもアマネは教団の理念に背いてまで野良猫の手当てしてるってことは心のどこかでは宗教が全部正しいわけではないって思ってるはずなんだよね。つまり人を56すことはいけないことであるってちゃんと認識していたんだと思うんだよ。
とある考察動画で「宗教団体を抜けようとした母親を、植え付けられた教団の理念の下で56した」って考察してたんだけど、
そういう風に思われることすらも計算して虐待してきた憎い母親を56したんだとしたら「謝ったって、ベーだ！ もう死んじゃってどうぞ」の歌詞だったり、一番最後の「覚えてますか？」の言い方が凄くしっくりくるんだよね。
母親からの過度な虐待に限界がきたアマネが母親を56すために「宗教の洗脳によって殺人すらも正しいことだと思い込んでる」ように周囲に見せるために「宗教を妄信してる」という印象を持たせるための作戦だとするなら...
サツ人を犯しても「宗教の教えの通りに動いてるだけでそこにアマネの意志は介在していない」と思わせることができれば無罪を勝ち取ることができるかも......
そしてそう思った状態でもう一度この曲を聴くと不自然なまでに「自分の意志よりも宗教の理念が絶対ですよ」的なメッセージを必死に刷り込んで来ようとしてくる印象を受ける。
追記
ボイスドラマを聞いてきた。僕の考察がいかに浅はかで表面的な部分しか見ていなかったのかというのを思い知らされた。
初見だと不自然なまでの宗教の理念の押し付けもボイスドラマ視聴後だと整合性もとれるし、アマネ自身が自分の意志で殺害を行たことに割と誇りを持っていたような発言があるから、きっと宗教狂いになってるのは演技ではないのだと思った。
あと、アマネが相当に賢いとはいえ12歳との議論に負けそうになってるエス君さぁ......
Иронично, учитывая, что Эсу 15, а Му 16 лет, то есть, если бы не существовало Аманэ, то он был бы самым младшим персонажем во всём проекте...
「もういらないよ 誓いを破るなら」
「今制裁を 私が引き裂く番だ」
「二度目が起こらないように貰った分を返してあげましょう」
アマネは歌詞通り今まで規律を破ったときにされたことを、規律を破った親に同じようにしたのでは？(水責め、スタンガン、あと1:46にあるアマネの顔の痣から直接的な体罰もあったっぽい。この3つはおまじないでゴザケ、リヨネ、ユウリがしていた描写があった)
最後のアマネが立っている部屋の手前の廊下に水溜まりがあり、手に持っているステッキや周囲には血が付着していることから、水責め、暴力は確実にしていると思う。
歌詞からも、自分では気づいていなくてもかなり鬱憤が溜まっており、今までのも込めて親に制裁を下した。または、規則を破った親を許さなかった。
ボイスドラマで痛みは神様が与えた試練、みたいなことを言っていたから親にも同じことを言いながら謝らせてたと思うとツラい😭
…天才や。
そうしたらさ、ヤバぁー…
アマネちゃんは苦しんでその苦しみを「正しい」と思い込むことで救われようとしているわけで、自分自身を否定する苦しみから逃げた結果のことで押しつぶされている「アマネ」という個人を肯定するためには赦さないに入れるべきなんじゃないかなって思っている
私が赦したいのは「我々」ではなく猫を助けたいとあの宗教に侵されながらも自分の気持ちを抱え続けた小さな少女である「アマネ」なので
元から罪の意識で押し潰されそうで、だからこそ押し付けられた教義に縋っている子に対して「お前がやった事は罪だ」と言い続ける事ほど傲慢な事はないね。
文字通り彼女から死ぬまで・死んでも恨まれそうだ
考えれば考えるほど「正しい」選択は投票しないことだと思うんだよなあ…
まあコンテンツとして楽しむために自分の心に従って投票しようね
昨日知って全部漁ってきたけど、もう感情ぐちゃぐちゃ何が正しいの？
私と同じ状況の人おった
この曲から知った
今全部聞いてきた
圧倒的に気分の沈み具合が違う
アマネちゃん……
赦す選択がしたくなるけど、赦すってことはアマネちゃんがされてきた、痣の原因や宗教側の思想を肯定することになってしまう “君がされたことは間違ってた”って教えるためには、“君の優しさは間違ってない”って教えるためには、やっぱり赦さない選択がいるのかもしれないな
二審によってアマネちゃんの人殺しが意志を持った上の復讐に近しいものな気がして、 殺したこと自体は洗脳じゃなくあくまでも宗教の教えを全うしたとアマネちゃん本人が捉えたと思った上なんだが、こ、このコンテンツおもしろ〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜
Forgive herrr
主さんの考察天才です。アマネちゃんが大好きで、病みってるから治って欲しい、って思って赦すってやってるけどそのこと考えると推しやけど赦さないだなって思いました！シドウに色々やってしまうかもしれないかもですからね..
@@user-gw8ns1hx4p
シドウさんも何かされたとして
受け入れそうで本当に怖い😱
でも面白い…たまんねぇ〜！！
自分もコメ主と同意見ですがその場合この子がいつかコトコに危害を加えられるのではないかと不安に感じています。彼女は子供には手を出さないんじゃないかと思っていましたが、アマネがコトコの地雷を踏んでしまったかのような描写もあった為油断出来ません。
幾ら上位存在の我々がそんなこと思っていても向こうからすれば「お前は赦されない事をした、人殺しは罪だ」と言われているのと同じ事では。どんな過程があっても最終的な判断対象はあくまで「殺人を赦すか否か」であって、どう受け取ってほしいとかはただの自己満足でしかない。
彼女に限らず、ミルグラムというシステムそのものが「一介の市民に人を裁く権利を与えてはいけない理由」を可視化した見本のように見えるなぁ
「おまじない」で変身後のアマネちゃんのステッキに雷のマークついてるんですけど、雷って「神の怒り」「神罰」の象徴なんですよね…
それに加えスタンガンの意味もあるかも
持ってるステッキがイワン雷帝のものと似てる…
イワン雷帝も切れ散らかして杖で人を殴ってたしカッとなって息子を杖で殴り殺してしまったって逸話もある
たまには日本語を習ったことを後悔します
歌詞分からずに聞くと本当にいい歌なのに
なぜ
歌詞を聞くからこそいい歌である
0:36 自分用
ここのカットかっこよすぎる
WE MAKING OUT DA CULT WIT DIS ONE BROS 🗣️🗣️ 🔥🔥 🎉🎉
WE MAKING OUT THE 4 CARTOON CHARACTERS CLOUD THINGYS WITH DIS ONE 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
ABSOLUTELY FOUL 💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥
WE KILLING CATS (THE GAY MAN IDK HIS NAME) WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🚨🚨🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
💪
The certified cult classic
マーチングは歩き方が独特で実際最初の方は全員が隊列を乱さずに歩いてたけど1:50からはドラムメジャーを持ってるアマネ以外のアマネは各々好きなように走ってる所で心が決壊したことを表してるのかな…
What does it repesent?
むしろ教義を押し付けられ甘んじて従う側から、猫を殺された事で吹っ切れ独自解釈の教義をもって他人に制裁を行う側へと変質したように見える。
猫が生きるか死ぬかは運命に任せるべきであるのに殺した、つまり"誓いを破った"と解釈した
マーチング以外でも紙吹雪の色が最初は全部真っ白だっだのに1:50では逆に白が一切無く、それ以外のカラフルな色だけになっている
@@user-hc2lw4xv8d」
絵画に出てくるネコは【自由】の象徴として描かれていることがある。
それ加味して動画を見るとアマネがネコを失うってことは、彼女の自由を失ったって意味にも取れそう。😮
Absolutely. A couple of other things I noticed were the balloon that the other girl was holding has the same symbol on the flags of the second march (rather than the symbols of each "mascot" in the first one), and Amane also seems to be wearing the ribbon of her "enlightenment" from Magic in the second march (rather than the plain bow in the first march).
1:34 スタンガンの音してるの怖すぎ…
on the Milgram Portal app, one of the questions was "What do you wish your parents did differently?"
Amane said "My mother should have kept her faith until the very end." I think this is confirmation she killed her mother as punishment for killing the cat.
作品ミリしらで「ぐるぐる目のかわいい子がいるやん」と軽い気持ちで視聴した結果もう情緒がぐちゃぐちゃ
全く同じ状況です。
下に同じく
何故かコレがおすすめに出てきて、聞いて気に入って、作品見に行って更に気に入ったんですが…。
あれ？おかしいのか？
同じく。
私もです
1:46 青あざできてるの闇深い…
シャワーのシーンといい、スタンガンのシーンといい、全部父親から受けた虐待を第一審MVでは宗教内での人から虐待を受けてるアマネちゃんだと描かれていたけど、全部それは父親からされてるものだと考えたら、アマネちゃんは父親の存在を異様に神として信じさせられていたんじゃないかな…何にせよ本当に笑顔でいてほしい。
いや待てよ…アマネちゃんのお父さんが宗教のリーダーかもしれないな…そんでアマネちゃんは第1審で猫を見○しにしたように思えたけど、これ見○しにしたお父さんに同じことをしたとかなんかな、そうじゃないとヒトゴロシとして連れて来られないもんな…でも尋問でお父さんは遠いとこへ行ったって言ってるけど(遠いところ＝天国)とかの解釈だったら合うね！！
イントロのスティックの持ち方とマークタイムマーチがしっかりしててすこなんだ(吹奏楽警察より)
てかマーチングの作画がめちゃくちゃしっかり丁寧に完成度高く描けてるんだよな……
最初MV見た時は特になんとも思ってなかったけどボイスドラマ見た後にまた見に来たら思うところが多くて一番救いたいキャラ
Guys, it’s gonna be fine. She’s just leading a perfectly normal and innocuous parade. She’s definitely not going to do anything scary with that mace.
Edit after the video release: The mace already has blood on it while she’s twirling it at 2:18, but it’s clean during the other times she’s holding it until the room (2:02, 2:04, 2:22). What’s up with that?
definitely not murder whaaat
After listening to the non official MV it sounds like the eyes are a red herring and it’ll play into how she was brainwashed more
Not to mention when the blood showed up on the mace, it lines up perfectly with "Please, go ahead and die already"
Also lead Amane's spinning is fire and this parade's the best no one can convinced me otherwise
It makes sense to me, it’s the last time that animation gets used n all
I think it's meant as a brief glimpse into reality
これ朝のアラームにすると「あっ！アマネちゃんの声だ！(歓喜)」からの「あっ、起きなきゃ…(恐怖)」になってバッチリ目が覚めるのでおすすめ
天才かな???w
アマネ「やれ。しなければ今日お前の自宅で粛清する。｣
あなた「…はい｣
（こういう妄想浮かべました。）
アマネに関しては赦すも赦さないもどちらも不安定になるのが目に見えているんだよね
不安定になるのを覚悟の上で、どちらに導くのがアマネにとって最善かを各人が見い出せたら良いと思う
主張の押しつけなんてナンセンスだ
そだね。
気付いたら二審で一番再生回数多くなってるしMILGRAMの中でもかなりの人気曲になってるね
ひとつ、人は運命を生きよ
ひとつ、人は卑きを捨てよ
ひとつ、信じたものに納めよ
ひとつ、道を外れずに果てよ
これが宗教が掲げているものであるだろうことは容易に想像がつく
きっと、アマネちゃんは上記に従って清く生きてきたのだろう
だが、宗教側の男性（アマネの父親？）がアマネの行いを悪として虐待した
歌詞の最後の殺害シーンでの歌詞が「泣いて悔やんであなたに言ったごめんなさい、覚えてますか？」なので殺害されたのは虐待主だろう
これに対してアマネは男を悪として捉えたのではないだろうか
終盤のアマネの背景には宗教を表すキャラクターが画面上部、すなわち神の位置についていたので、アマネは自分の行いが神の思し召しだと捉えていると考えられる
端的に言えば善の行い、神が示したものに背いた者を神に従って殺害してしまったので、神の代理人である自分は悪くないという認識だろう
これはアマネを赦すか赦さないかではなく、アマネが信仰していた宗教に置き換えるのは誤りだと言える
確かにアマネの信仰する宗教はカルトと呼ばれる様なものを持つ清らかな組織ではないだろう
だが、アマネは教義を守り良い子に育ったという面を持つのも忘れてはいけない
これでアマネを赦さないのならば、宗教、アマネの信念の否定
そして、虐待主の行動の正当化に繋がってしまう
アマネは周囲の洗脳から段々と自己洗脳をしていった様に思われるので、これを肯定することによって虐待主の行動が神の教えなのだと今後自己洗脳をしかねないだろう
しかし、アマネを赦すとなると教義、神の教えに忠実な神の代理人であるアマネの殺人は神の思し召しなので、今後もアマネの中の教義に背く者を善の行動として罰していくだろう
そうして独善的（アマネの中では善なる）裁きという名の殺人者が誕生してしまう
私個人の考えとしてはアマネの境遇を鑑み、アマネを赦したいが、赦せば今後もアマネが血で手を染めてしまう可能性から赦さない方がアマネの為になるのかと二つの考えが存在している
私は一体どうすればいいのだろうか
슬퍼용 ㅠㅠ
真相がなんであれ、自分がどれだけ辛くても耐えられたけど、猫がきっかけで何かが切れた表現なのが心にくる
アマネはいい子すぎるってことしか分からない
過去に公開されたボイストレーラーの、「誓いを破ってごめんなさい！」は、自分が罰受けるのを恐れて、ではなく、猫の事がバレたから、かもしれない…？
言ってみろよ？の所が早口で相手を追い詰めている感じがして、明るいけどどこか歪な曲で好きです。彼女は何をしたのでしょう？
ミルグラムを知らない人ですが、一気に引き込まれました
1:22あたりの風船のマークと1:53あたりのアマネの旗に描かれたマークに違いが見られる。
そのことから諦観を抱いた末に家の信仰していた宗教からアマネの自己解釈を行ったさらなる新興宗教がアマネの中で出来上がっている可能性がある？
friendly reminder once again to always listen or read the voice drama before voting… 😭🙏🏼
Where can i find them?
I haven’t read a translation yet, but I listened to it, and she sounded possessed for the first half, like wow.
Adding on, it’s very important to listen to the voice drama before watching the music video to get better context to use to vote
kazui would have such an inno sweep for s2 if this were the case 😭
@@dexterouslitbh i don’t even think with the voice drama that’s the case, it’s more of people being 50/50 from what I saw
現時点で分かる事は赦すも赦さないも大変なことになるってことだろうね
アマネちゃんを「赦す」場合
アマネちゃんが自由に行動できる。
ここで特筆すべきはシドウさんとの事だと思う。公式ホームページのアマネちゃんのボイス3とボイスドラマで「シドウは禁忌に触れている。やめさせないと私が手を下す」と言っていることからアマネちゃんを赦すことで自由にすると同じく赦されたシドウさんが医療行為を続けることは間違いないだろうから、一審後のコトコみたいなことをしそうで怖い。
アマネちゃんを「赦さない」場合
アマネちゃんの一審から二審の変化からみるにますます悪化してしまうかもしれない。しかもシドウさんが赦されて医療行為をしていると知って、エスに何をするかも分からないし…怖い。
どっちにしてもアマネちゃんの周りやアマネちゃん自身の環境は良くならない気がするな…
追記
現段階では圧倒的に赦すが多いからこのままいけば三審でシドウさんが何らかの攻撃を受ける可能性が高いな
曲としての完成度が高すぎるんよ毎回
最高
アパートが403号室なのが少し気になって調べてみたら、エンジェルナンバーで「情熱を持って取り組んだことは成功に繋がる」みたいなのが出てきて驚いた…しかも白色も関係してるみたい…最初とか真っ白だから意図的だろうなと思う…演出が細かい…😊
アマネちゃん救われるべきなのにミルグラムに救う方法が無いし選択肢によっては他者に被害が発生するの酷すぎる、ミルグラムの全てを否定したい
5億%家庭が悪いし赦したい気持ちもあるけど、ここで赦すと「宗教的意思の代弁者(自称)になった現在のアマネの思想を肯定する」=「定めを破ってでも猫を助けようとした過去のアマネを間接的に否定する」ことになると思ったので赦さないことに決めた
でも結果がどちらだろうがろくなことにならないのが目に見えてて怖い…
Brah then forgive her at last...
アマネちゃんが平静の時はただの曇り空なのに、密告爺の時は虹がかかっている
そしてアマネちゃんが狂っちゃった後にも虹が出現している
…虹は洗脳を表している？
あと200万再生おめでとうアマネちゃん！
天才か？？その解釈好きすぎる…
密告爺で不覚にも笑ってしまった()
да
遅くなった
325万再生おめでとうアマネちゃん！
400万再生おめでとう❣️
1:34 ここ気づかなかったけどよく聞くとちゃんとスタンガンっぽい音聞こえる
1:27 ちょっとだけ歩道から外れたところを歩いてる描写、細かいな
1:16 でアマネちゃんが決まった道を外れて猫を助けるのをその道の上を歩いてる人達に目撃されるのも
2:00 の「もらった分を返してあげましょう」に絶対許さないという強い意志が感じられてとてもエモいですね
要するに「今まで分も含めて返してやるよクソ野郎！」って殴り返すみたいなものだろうしなぁ
返して『あげましょう』ってところが、元々弱かったキャラが強くなって帰ってきて余裕のある感じがして最高
@@kyokuchiそれめっちゃ好きそういうアニメ知りません？？
@mimama... 最近長らくアニメ見てないので分かんないす(´･ω･`)
弱いのが強くなるだけならヒロアカですかね( ･ω･ )
CONGRATULATIONS AMANE FOR 5M VIEWS. AND IN 5 MONTHS! Mikoto took a year to get to 5m Amane sweep is real and she’s gonna usurp him
まるで爽やかな酸性雨の雨上がりのような曲だ。心地好い
ほぼ願望だけど、第一審より直接的でリアルの描写が多かったように感じたから赦されず否定されたことで洗脳が少しとけたと受け取りたい……
しかし公式サイトで見られるボイスで怪我人を手当するシドウさんに忠告したり、エスくんに対しても敵意をかなり持ってる様子から察するに未だ強く宗教に囚われてるようですね😢
1:43 助けた猫が消えたのを認めたと同時に、アマネちゃんの善性も消えちゃったみたい
Leo Tsukinaga
MILGRAMってまずは曲聴いて、それからボイスドラマ聞いて、また曲聴くのが1番楽しい。
最初に聴いた時と印象がめっちゃ変わる。
I was wondering why the lyrics hit so hard and why the hell is everything almost scary and why the story feels so dark, until I realized the lyrics was composed by DECO*27 and arranged by TeddyLoid. I don't know why but I'm crying hard!
It's really nice. There's a voice drama and overarching plot, if that's of any interest.
yep! This is a part of a larger project called Milgram, and one of the earlier videos explains the over all concept. But to break it down simply: there is 10 prisoners here in a mysterious prison, varying in age and gender and especially: the murder they have committed. All ten of them are, by some definition, murderers, and we as the audience (represented by a guard who lost his memories named Es) is tasked with watching these MVs that contains the memory and circumstances of the prisoners behind their murders. We can even actually interactively judge them with the site linked at the description
the cool thing about Milgram is the more unspoken parts, for example how Milgram's ten prisoner's are all examples of a larger social problem. With Amane here, you could probably tell it's with the idea of a young child being led into religion and how that can negatively effect their perception and behavior. The other 9 also does this to an extent, and if you're interested there's far more other MVs to explore. We're currently on the second trial out of three, where voting them innocent or guilty will affect the next trial. Hope you enjoy!
Really, appreciate the information you gave here so I could learn more about this series. This is the kind of summary I need instead of reading a long article off Google. Thank you. @@silence7524
@@silence7524thank you for that information.
YO I LOVE DECO*27!!
「お前を否定しよう」とか強い言葉が明るい曲調と声と共に飛び出すのめちゃくちゃ好きだ…
行進するアマネちゃんやグルグル目アマネちゃんが可愛いけど、現実のアマネちゃんの境遇が辛すぎて心が痛い
赦す、赦さない以前に保護したいし救いたいよ…
@user-ng4zd6lx6sあんたそんなこと言っても灰色じゃなくてあんた白黒ばっか見える
INNOSENT(無罪、赦す)かGUILTY(有罪、赦さない)しか選べないここに現実の法の話を持ち込むのは野暮かもだけど、なぜ未成年の触法行為に対し刑罰ではなく(保護処分)を下すのか、減刑やら罪を免除し特別な法手続きを行うのか、犯罪者ではなく(触法少年(14歳未満)(犯罪少年(14歳以上18歳未満)))と呼ぶのかって
正に子供を保護するためなんよな
つまり子の行為は親含めた環境に成人よりも著しく左右され、子自身の意思や思考ではこれに抗えないもしくは抗うのが著しく困難であり、成長中であるが故に可塑性がある、つまり環境が変われば大人より更生できうるから、子の行為に対しフル刑罰を与えるのは無茶だ、だからやった事が凶悪殺人であれ罰は緩和されうるし、極刑は科してはならない(特に14歳未満の子の行為は罰しない)って考えがあるんよな
ただ、今下せるのは裁きであって保護じゃない、アマネを肯定しようか、否定しようか、の二択なんよな
刑法第四十一条
十四歳に満たない者の行為は、罰しない。
少年法
第一条 この法律は、少年の健全な育成を期し、非行のある少年に対して性格の矯正及び環境の調整に関する保護処分を行うとともに、少年の刑事事件について特別の措置を講ずることを目的とする。
同法第五十一条 罪を犯すとき十八歳に満たない者に対しては、死刑をもつて処断すべきときは、無期刑を科する。(18歳未満への死刑の禁止)
２ 罪を犯すとき十八歳に満たない者に対しては、無期刑をもつて処断すべきときであつても、有期の懲役又は禁錮を科することができる。この場合において、その刑は、十年以上二十年以下において言い渡す。(刑の緩和の可能性)
@user-ng4zd6lx6s ミコトくんもそうだよなぁ周りでの環境にストレスが積み重なっていった結果二重人格が生まれちゃったんだし…
ハルカくん アマネちゃん ミコトくんこの3名は精神科に行くかカウンセリング受けた方が絶対いい
他の人に見られるかもしれないのに猫を心配して様子を見に行くアマネちゃん良い子すぎて幸せになってほしすぎる
明るい感じの曲なのに内容くらいの最高に好き
刺さる
This entire time, my basis of her being innocent is that she's a child who has very clearly been through abuse. I know its more complex with MILGRAM, but I just...can't vote her guilty. Any punishment given to her for being GUILTY is worse than what can be done to help her if she's voted INNOCENT.
粛清マーチって簡単に言ったら
厳しく取り締まって不正なものを除き世の中を清らかにする行進曲
めっちゃいい事してんのにサムネから狂気しか感じない
明るい曲調してるのに歌詞とバックグラウンドが激重なの最高に狂わされるから好き
この曲を聞いてアマネちゃんに沼りました。ありがとうございます。
真面目にアマネちゃん幸せになって欲しい
The prevalence of the 'vote-her-guilty-to-reject-her-beliefs reasoning is honestly kinda bizarre to me, if not disturbing. I honestly feel like voting her guilty because she Doesn't Think The Right Things is just as bad as the behavior of the cult she came from. She has left one abusive thought-police and been imprisoned by a different abusive thought-police. If I was in her position, I'd feel murderous too.
Kicking the dog more will not make it calm down. A child rejected by the village will burn it down to feel the warmth.
0:04 後ろにいるアマネの持っている旗が傘に見える。
2:17 血がついてる
2:22 杖を持ったアマネから傘をさしているアマネになる
2:29 廊下に水
凶器は傘説
初めは傘で撲ったか、刺したのかなって思ったけど、小学生の身体で出来るのか？って考えたら一撃必殺の技でやったのではないかと考察
思い付いたのは、何かしらの方法で相手を転ばし、傘の持ち手側を相手の口に突っ込んで、そのまま突っ込んだ側とは反対側から強い力で叩きつけたりして56したのではないかなって。
傘の柄の部分っぽいのに血がついてるし...
歌詞の「ちゃんと喉を潰してあげましょう」も表現じゃなく実際にやったのかもね...
傘のせいで廊下に水、っていうなら玄関から垂れてそう。明かりがついたところから水たまりができてるようにも見える
@@user-vn3ot8bq7m
あっ、これはお風呂場から移動した際に垂れた水説あるね
水責めとかされた後、奥に連れて行かれた→適当な道具で相手を殴殺だと思うゾ。凶器は灰皿とかかな
@@user-uq2fv3hz5x なるほど、でもアマネまだ子供だし親を殺せる力あるかな？
「泣いて悔やんであなたに言ったごめんなさい」って歌詞でアマネちゃんがどれだけ追い詰められてたのか、自分が悪いと思い込もうとしていたのかわかって辛い…。「言ってみろよ」って歌詞からも今度はお前の番だ、っていう親への本心が汲み取れてすごい。
2:17 よく見たらバトンの端っこに血がついとる
最初の2つ目の教えのところふみふみしてるアマネちゃん可愛いんだが
否定し続けないと救えないキャラだけど世間一般からする救いとして肯定したくなるキャラ。製作陣いい性格してんなぁ～
引き分けろ
一審二審は許さない、三審で許すが正しい気がする…
宗教に心の拠り所まで奪われて人に手かけたのに、大人の都合で許さないは酷だろ…
@@Boy-wh2zhこのコンテンツの赦すの定義が共犯となってもいいくらいの肯定なので今の彼女は宗教にガッツリ染まっていて赦してしまうと教えのためには人を傷つけることを肯定することになってしまうらしいんですよね
@@Boy-wh2zh でもボイスドラマのあの感じだとむしろその宗教に依存しているというかなんか精神乗っ取られてない...？
今のアマネは完全に宗教の化身だから、それを許しちゃうと間接的に「アマネ」の存在を赦さないことになりそう
アマネちゃん、ミニグラムとかで見るような厳格で勤勉で大人びた性格じゃなくて、本来はおっちょこちょいで、うっかりしちゃうような子で、でも誰よりも優しい子だったんじゃないのと思ってしまう……
動画の最初じゃバトントワリング失敗してたのに、ぐるぐる目になったら(洗脳されたら？)完璧にできるようになってるし……
姉妹がいて、野良猫の怪我を治しているところを見られたアマネちゃんはその子と父親に制裁(粛清)を食らうけど、反対にその子が規則を破ったら勢い余ってころしちゃったのかなあ……それとも縛られることがしんどくなって爆発しちゃったのかなあ……3審が楽しみだなあ
Kazui and Amane's Interrogation questions are finally done!
Amane answered 20 questions:
1. What are your thoughts on the 1st trial results?
A: What a foolish judgement. I had high expectations, and yet.
2. Do you believe you were loved?
A: Very much deeply.
3. State the name of your victim
A: There is no victim. Only those who were served punishment
4. Is there a meaning behind your name?
A: It conveys my parents' wish that "our faith will reach every corner of this world"
5. Is there a prisoner similar to you?
A: Nobody.
6. Is there a prisoner you aren’t fond of?
A: Kirisaki Shidou.
7.What were your grades in school?
A: I had no problems
8. If you had to make one of the prisoners part of your family, who would you choose?
A: Mahiru Shina. Her innate goodness might have brought the two of us closer, maybe..
9. What does love mean to you
A: To spread mercy with no limits
10. What's your father's job?
A: After working extremely hard, he became a lecturer. I am very proud of that.
11. Did you love the person you killed?
A: I loved them.
12. What do you think of Kajiyama Fuuta?
A: He is lost and in pain. I should help him
13. If you could be reborn, would you still choose to be yourself?
A: Obviously.
14: Do you like animals?
A: I like them
15. What are your thoughts on marriage?
A: Its a vow to overcome trials together
16. What are lies to you?
A: Sin.
17. What do the people you respect think about your sin?
A: I just followed what I've been taught. So obviously they'll praise me and tell me that I did good.
18. When did you meet your first love?*
A: I haven't yet. They must be someone they've chosen for me
(*more like when did you first felt romantic attraction)
19. Is there anything you wish your parents would have done?
A: My mother should have kept her faith to the very end.
20. How do you feel about you not being like everyone else?
A: Nevertheless I was born as myself, so I'm happy.
(All credit translation goes to @Milgram_en on Twitter!)
@@grahammori ... Jesus like 90% of these are obviously meant for Kazui. That's kinda sad.
(edit: also thankyou for posting these)
It's like.... plz she exists too 😭
While Amane-specific questions are 3, 10, 14, and 19. The rest are general interrogation questions for more info regarding their background.
Can you share kazui’s pls? I can’t find them translated 😭
Damn, another song from japan with a happy vibe with quite the dark lyrics.
Welcome to Milgram
The character here is Amane and this is her 2nd (trial) song, you should watch the first.
This is a series so if you are more interested, check the other character song
I'd just like to add that Tanaka-san was phenomenal with this VA work! From the spoken intro sounding almost like a magical girl and the spoken part in the middle sounding dead inside, to how Amane's voice wavers in the last chorus to show how she's losing it is all really well done. Also props to the visuals team the animation was SMOOTH
That's exactly what I thought, her acting was so good!
The slight bit of anger and vengeance leaking through the last chorus is my favorite part. The magical girl chant turning into "You say you're sorry now? Whatever just die" is also really good.
I am a bit reluctant to vote her innocent as she might harm Shidou and we really need him in order to prevent any mishaps in future. I agree Amane is the victim but if her values are affirmed she might think it is right to punish Shidou and I really don't want that.
@@raburesu2702but kazui might help and if we vote guilty this time amane will literally break so its either kid breaks or take a gamble on if the others will save shidou and maybe innocent will change amanes mind?
@@justanaverageperson2162 yeah that might be true but uk Shidou said that he wanted a child to judge him and if she attacks him I don't think he will resist much and if Kazui is a bit late to save him he might get severely injured and no one else will be able to save him then. It might sound odd but if Amane even in the slightest doubts her God I'm willing to vote her Innocent but rn if we vote her Innocent she will only think that we finally accepted her morals or smth like that.
「謝ったってべーだ！死んじゃってどうぞ」ってフレーズ、ひょっとしてヴェーダ（聖典）と掛けてある？
謝ったって教義が赦さないみたいな…。
各キャラクターにティラカがついてたり、宗教的な匂わせがうますぎて怖い
アマネちゃんなんとか洗脳解けてほしいな
love how after the first song we were like "oh maybe maybe it wasn't justified" but after this we're just like "Shoulda killed that mf earlier✨"
"now I'm not gonna say that she deserved it but god's timing is always right~"
The animation is perfect
She killed her abuser!!!
The cat is just a cat, she didn't do anything bad to it.
She tried to escape...but we did not let her.
気のせいだったらいいんだけど
赦しても赦さなくてもやばい方向に行きそうな予感がしてしまう。
それはそれとしてこの曲すごく好き。闇と可愛いのバランスが癖になっちゃう。
個人用メモ
サビで入るコールはミルグラム公式アプリにてDECO*27さんが「(粛清マーチの)サビのコーラスは曲の雰囲気を出したくて作った造語です」と発言されていたらしいのでおそらくただのスキャット（意味のない歌詞で歌う歌唱法。)である。
個人用には順番に「シィリアーティアー(スィリアンディア？)」「リヒライジェーバー(メヒライチェバ？)」「リ・ハッパッソメェーラ」「シンジャッタ・タメーラ」と聞こえる気がするのでお風呂で歌う時はそう発音することにする。
Nah it’s more than that even with an innocent verdict she’ll still be screwed with that trauma
これもうどうしようもなくないか
うちは「謝ったってらめーだ」
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2:17 〜血が付いてるのに気付いちゃった…
次回 アマネちゃんついに反抗期来た。
許す許さないの判断は
いろんな人がコメントしてるから
許す派、許さない派どちらも参照して
自分の判断で決めるといいと思います
自分は許さない派ですが、許す派の考えもわからなくないという感じであり、自分はどちらが絶対正しいというものはないと考えてるので、自分の思ったところへ投票がおすすめです