I think you adverted a real bad train accident. Bless your heart! Another great video. You and Pappy have really been busy with your great and interesting videos. Thanks for sharing.
Wonder if that means I get paid more for the days work Valerie? LOL Fix 1 rail = $2,000. Pay for a derailment = $200,000. Perhaps they should pay me what I saved them. Then I can buy all my subscribers a ccrx6700 T shirt, coffee mug and ball cap.... LOL LOL I like when you visit me my friend. You bring out the best in me.
@@ccrx6700 $200,000 for a derailment? That's only if there's no damage to the consist or the locomotives. Just takes one loco to roll over on it's side, and spill 1000's of gallons of fuel into the ballast, now you're into some big money :) Stay safe!
Your certainly welcome Larry. I've found that these videos are educational to others and myself. I get tons of questions and do research to try and give accurate answers. Many folks don't realize what all goes on behind the scenes on track and rolling stock maintenance to keep trains running. It's a lot of fun for me to share. Thank you for taking the time to pay us a visit and check out the video. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Dave its not the RR gods;Its dedicated workers such a you that keep the trains on the roll. Thanks for another interesting video. Keep them rolling smooth and off the ground!
Well thanks Mike for the vote of confidence, but after seeing the inside of this rail, it totally amazed me the train hadn't broke it by now. I'm baffled about that. Always great to have you visit with us my friend.
It's never fun to be the "guy" that "breaks" stuff through inspection, even when it is clear in this case it wasn't your fault. NDT stuff sometimes finds things, but hands-on inspections are key in any industry. Nice work brother!
Thank you Model Enginerding for the nice comment. We have a rule here, the man with the most seniority is always right, (that would be me) and the guy with the least seniority, it's always his fault when something goes wrong or breaks. Personally, I like that rule.... :-) Thanks so much for joining us and watching today my good man.
Recoup your costs. Cut the old rail into 2' and 3' sections and sell them as home anvil kits. They would sell, especially at events where blacksmithing is part of the show stalls.
Sounds like a good idea Big'un. Have started a collection of items that were destined for the dumpster, but also don't want to get in trouble like Rocky Myrtle did.... but then I don't work for Santa Fe either like he did. If you don't know who he is, check out some of the books he has written, excellent reading if you like RR stuff.
I think that tamping job happened for a reason. Sometimes a little luck, or divine intervention plays a role, and the day turns out way better than it would have! Glad everything has worked out so well! Thanks for another great video Dave!
Excellent thoughts Jim! I cannot argue with you at all on that. Very much appreciate your sharing with us my friend and for checking out tonight's episode.
Another good informative video Dave! Most people would not have been able to tell how old that break was or where it started. It takes a real railroader to know such things. Most other people who make videos don’t have much of a clue of what really happens to the rail or road bed. As long as a train can run by that’s all they want to know. I may be wrong but I think you are the only real railroader that shows how a railroad works and the things it takes to keep trains running. Keep up the good work. PS, some of your videos could be used in training classes for newly hired on employees.
Thanks Joe for the exceptionally nice comment, really glad you enjoyed and we do appreciate your taking the time to check out the video my friend. This channel is unique and it's my passion working track so it really is an honor to be able to share what we do out here on the track. You are so right most folks don't have a clue what it takes to keep trains moving so it's a blessing to me that these videos can help raise awareness and also hope that all train watchers will have a new appreciate for railroad maintenance workers all over.
The original flaw that grew was in the left portion of the rail about halfway into the rail head shows at 3:07. The last part of the rail head that broke was in the right gauge face. That is evident from the crushing of the rail head prior to the break. See my comment on the Sept 1 video. Sperry still will attend any "nick-and-break" of marked rails so they can continue to evolve their services and knowledge. This was what I was expecting the break to look like.
Do you believe in miracles Ron? I think we may have witnessed one here. After seeing the inside of this rail, it totally amazes me the train never broke it. I'm baffled my friend.
Dave, yes you were truly fortunate! There was not much holding that piece of rail together. Very lucky that the engine didn't break through that last little piece. Thanks for the great video!
It just amazes me Tom after seeing this that the train didn't break it, I have no clue how it didn't. We are grateful for your visit with us today my friend.
it doesn't get recycled. It gets scrapped, they melt it down again and make it into something else. Recycling means you are a hippie. This is done for money
Your very welcome Shane. Very glad you had a good time with us. Always a pleasure to have you write in and join us my friend. Our rail that is taken out that is not good enough to be called relay rail (rail that can be relaid on a main) is sold to a contractor (Frontier RR Services) where they will put it in sidings or spurs or yards. The rail that is Sperry tested as bad and this rail in the video will get sold for scrap where it will then be taken to a rolling mill and recycled to make new rail. Scrap is a major component of the process of making new rail and old used RR material is perfect for doing that.
@@ccrx6700 on an old episode of Boneyard I saw where a company in the Chicago area if I remember correctly, took old disused rail and hot-rolled it into fencing t-posts.
Great video and tutorial of the ceacked/broken rail! And yes the RAILROAD GODS were watching over you guys to save from a disaster that nobody wants. Thanks again Dave for sharing your videos with us along with your PRICELESS time and effort! We appreciate all you do there and on here!
Not on a railroad but I've seen this metal fatigue breakage before. The shinyer, newer looking the color, the more recent the break. The older and cruddier, the older the break. Thanks Dave!
yup! Seen similar stuff in power plant components. Sometimes you even get 'rings' or 'ripples', like the sand just at the shore of a beach. A tiny crack, and it rusts inside. But stress and working, closes it for a bit. Then it opens, cracks a little further and another 'band' of rust forms. Repeat several times, each time it cracks a little further, leaving another band until it fails (hopefully you catch it in time with NDT if it's a critical area) But this looks more like a crack formed and rusted, then the head started failing, and when Dave lifted, the web just snapped clean.
Thanks for sharing that with us Fireball XL, guess metal is metal and shares the same attributes whether a rail or not. Hope you are feeling a lot better my friend and thanks so much for dropping in on us tonight.
Your welcome James and glad I could find this and do it. Next video out will have me putting the anchors on. Very much appreciate your stopping by and taking in the show today my friend.
From looking at that rail looked like it had some bad metal flaws in it And also I wanna take the time to thank you guys for what you do on the railroad you guys truly keep America moving N8rbi Radio 😊👍
Thank you Dave for another great video. I think you have diverted a possibility of a train derailment. I have seen how much work is involved in track inspection and maintenance. Thank you for sharing this with us Dave. ❤🇨🇦
Thank you Ray for the kind words. Maybe you can email corporate and relay to them your sentiments and I'll get a pay raise... :-) Always great to have you visit with us my friend.
God was really watching over you and the rails, having things go down as they did! While the break was not wanted, it was needed to be found. Perfect timing on that! Glad it was addressed. Way to go for another fine video!
What happens with all the scrapped rail tracks, are they recycled for new or something else? And that absolutely warm friendly smile and personality of yours is beautiful, so hard to find many people now in society with a genuine passion for their work and others.
Thank you so much for the very nice comment Verified. We do appreciate your visiting with us today my friend. Totally junk rail like this one will be put in dumpsters or get sold for scrap . Scrap is then sold to rolling mills and will be used for making new rail.
A good view of the metal fatigue and shows how lucky you were. I also see how the rail looks bent over, I guess with the foot being cracked that may of happened as it dipped towards that side under a trains weight Great sound riding the ballast car.
After seeing the inside of that rail cedarcam, I'm totally baffled how the train never broke it. Just amazing to me. Maybe I should play the lottery? :-) Always a pleasure to have you pay us a visit my friend.
Holy cow Dave, that rail shows its been compromised for a while, so so glad it didn't happen on a train.. how Long will it take to put anchors back on the rails. Another fine quality video. Great investigation.. stay safe out there my friend.....
Thanks so much Pappy for the very kind words. Next video out you will see me put the anchors on. Got a little creative with the camera on that one, I think you will enjoy it. I have no clue how in the world the train kept going over that and it never broke the rail, just amazes me after seeing what it looked like inside. Do you believe in miracles?
in your endeavor finding faults...in the rail..is what you do! by revealing the fault...you saved hundreds of thousands of dollar. and downtime...great work dave!
it certainly was blue. I'm totally baffled as to how the train never broke it. One of life's many amazements to me. Appreciate so much your visit with me my friend.
I need to swing that a lot more then.... LOL Could stand to lose some extra pounds. Very much appreciate your visit with and taking in the video my friend.
Very glad to have you join in with us Tony. I'm totally baffled after seeing this why the train never broke that rail, just amazing to me. Thanks so much for writing in and watching my friend.
After seeing the inside of that rail Arkay, I'm totally baffled how the train never broke it. Just amazing to me. Maybe I should play the lottery? :-) Always a pleasure to have you pay us a visit my friend.
We would like to say Thank You very much for taking the time to visit with us today and watch the presentation Patrick. Yes sir, we really lucked out for sure.
Good job Dave 👏 👍 Only 7 broken rails? Can't tell you how many broken 80 pound bars we have along with Dutchman fillers on the Cooperstown and Charlotte Valley RR. Switch building this weekend. Will send the pictures 📷. Stay safe my friend. Richard Bause
We want to say Thank You for dropping in on us and watching the presentation today Richard Yes only 7, but I had to fix every one of them.... but that's railroading.
Thank you donal finn and welcome to our community, we are glad to have you with us and hope you will continue to enjoy. Here is an introduction video to get you a feel for what all we do here at the Railroad and a bit about our mine: th-cam.com/video/oOug0z34118/w-d-xo.html Lot's of cool RR videos on our home page if you would sometime care to check any of them out. th-cam.com/users/ccrx6700
Thank you my friend for the very kind words. We really appreciate your taking the time to watch and write in. Always a pleasure to have you join us my friend.
Thank you Russell, glad you had a good time watching. It's always a good night for me when you pay us a visit my friend. So appreciate all your great support you have given the channel for such a long time now.
Very nice! It seems that you were instrumental in avoiding a derailment. How cool is that :) I would wonder (and I am sure many, many folks have looked at it) what the effects of coal dust on steel are. Say we had some small cracks in the surface, could coal dust penetrate these cracks and cause some intense corrosion? I know coal varies in sulfur content, but we might find some sulfuric acid action in the presence of moisture. It seems most likely that any small flaw in the steel structure would be worked on by the cyclic stresses of the trains traveling back and forth to the point of failure. What strikes me is the relatively short time between Nordco's testing and the failure, so this is food for thought :) The good news is - trouble was avoided!
Thanks Brian for the very nice comment, glad you enjoyed. It's always a pleasure to have you pay us a visit my friend. You bring up some good points. The acid in coal eats away at the steel in the rails, tie plates, anchors and spikes. Just had a good idea for a future video where I will show some rail that has been corroded by the coal. I've seen spikes and track bolts that were corroded down to almost pencil size. For sure the acid in the coal is made worse when the coal is dampened. And yes if there are cracks that mixture can get inside the rail and cause further internal damage. The cyclic stresses as you say is called Rolling Contact Fatigue by RR engineers, but it's the same thing as cyclic stresses, just a term they use. Obviously with heavy coal trains and poor ballast that won't hold track surface well such as we had here, the stress on the rail is much greater and will cause rapid deterioration of any surface or even internal defect.
Well thank you very much 6firefightin. So nice of you to take the time to write in with the very kind words. We really appreciate your support of the channel my friend.
Thanks for this informative video. That much of prior disruption in a rail migtht be expected to affect its longitudinal properties/characteristics, such as in electromagnetic and sonic conductance. If there were a way to measure these, it may be possible to identify such latent defects in segments of rail during routine inspection.
your very welcome Renegade. Jackson tamper salesman used to use the pitch: more insertions, deeper penetration and we don't charge extra for finding weak spots in the rail. Very much want to thank you for your visit with us today my good man.
I believe that the rails are made for a weight like bridges, but today they mount double containers one on top of the other, exceeding the weight that the rails can support such as sleepers, before the rails were smaller, but they had more stability. Being taller, they hold more weights, but they lose stability and the tracks are the same, I think that is why there are more railway accidents today than before, the weight of the locomotives is enormous, that is why the old steel bridges fall down , rusty and overweight. A hug David
Thank you titan titan for sharing your thoughts. Double stack well cars don't weigh as much as you may think, Modern locos weigh around 420,000 pounds. Appreciate very much your taking the time to watch. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
I think you need to do some comparisons to make a statement like that . steam and diesel engines and they diesel weighs more .not in every circumstance .
Awesome bit of luck, someone was keeping an eye on you. BTW, Saw a post today by an Iowa railroad TH-camr of a nasty derailment, Union Pacific line. Not sure of the name of the TH-camr but it was a lot if cars, a lot or rail and it took a bridge out. Thank you take care.
Dean of Railroad-ology back with the update. That bottom part of the rail was rough, what is the usual train speed on that part of the track? With it being the inside rail on the turn may that have been what prevented it from ending even worse since the load would be higher on the outside rail?
Thank you so much Ray for the very kind words. We really appreciate your taking the time to watch and write in my friend. Normal track speed here is 25. With the ideal super elevation in the curve, ideal ballast and track surface conditions then the weight on both inside and outside rails would be almost the same. However, that is in a perfect world.
Thanks Eddy. Saved the mines again.... LOL (that's a saying we have here when somebody finds a break or something) Very much appreciate your deciding to pay us a visit today and take in the show my friend.
When they cut loose that's it. Thankfully found in time before any disaster struck. It's even been mentioned that rail that was inspected just a few days before can still have something go wrong even without the defect appearing on their print out
Your right about that Paul. A rail tested today can develop a defect tomorrow. I'm totally baffled after seeing the inside of this how in the world the train never broke it. Maybe I should play the lottery? :-) Always great to have you pay us a visit my friend.
Illuminating the fracture surface with light from the side will show fracture initiation on the right side head (looks like multiple fatigue initiation sites - the botom flang is simply covered with mud and will clear to grey when washed.
We would like to say Thank You very much for taking the time to visit with us today and watch the presentation EddieVBlueIsland. Appreciate also the very nice comment my good man.
After seeing the inside of that rail Beverly, I'm totally amazed how the train never broke it. Just incredible. Maybe I should play the lottery? :-) Always a pleasure to have you pay us a visit my friend.
Any more specifics on the failed rail? Basic oxygen converters were common by 1965 in vertically integrated sites like Bethlehem and US Steel. Electric arc furnaces are typically stand alone for recycling/cold pig iron and DRI processing. Sure looks like a burned steel as it is brittle and soft.
Keith Jurena others have said in the last video that the rails made in 1975 had a lot of flaws in them.....but still its lasted this long it just reached the end of its useful life.......nothing lasts forever...... even the fact that this is a closed loop Class II road it been kept in remarkably good running condition nonetheless, a lot of that can be credited to Dave for his attention to detail and love of safe and smooth operation so that the company can keep on meeting its delivery schedules in a safe and timely manner, and minimal losses for all concerned!
After seeing the inside of that rail John, I'm totally baffled how the train never broke it. Just amazing to me. Maybe I should play the lottery? :-) It's always a pleasure to have you pay us a visit my friend.
No sir, they look inside the rail. However Sperry admits they don't always catch a base break, it's not a perfect science what they do, but it's far better than no rail testing at all. Thanks so much my good man for visiting with us today and taking in the video.
Thanks Edward for the kind words. Guess I'm going to have to make friends with the lottery gods then.... LOL Really appreciate your visiting with us and checking out the show my friend.
Thank you for all the videos and knowledge, I watched a video years ago from overseas small train steep incline two guys sitting on front of train spreading sand as they went along they said it was the only way it could pull the hill I didn’t know modern trains still use sand one of your videos you talked about it on the ground could you make a video showing how this system works & where the sand is stored
Your very welcome Walt, glad you had a good time with us. All 3 of our locos have sanders on them, manually activated and also automatically activated by the loco's wheel slip system. Thanks for the suggestion and for taking the time to write in and watch today my friend.
Guess I'm going to have to start making videos on everything I find that isn't broken then Thomas....LOL Hope the new title brings with it less hours and more pay..... Thanks so much for watching the broken rail video my friend.
Thanks Steve, I'm totally baffled after seeing the inside of this rail how in the world the train never broke it with the poor ballast we have under the track there. Maybe there are RR gods after all who look out for us?
Interesting you can see the crystal grain structure in the rail itself. No idea what would cause that because it's not like the rail is heat treated, to some specific hardness. Looks like a manufacturing defect in metallurgy. How old was that rail?
Rail was rolled in 1975 in Illinois by US Steel Kleetus. I think it was an impurity in the original steel that was made worse over time by the train and then the poor ballast conditions. Thanks so much for visiting with me today and watching my friend.
Lookie like that in the video cause the rail was laying on ground that was sloped to the left Jerry. Camera kinda made it hard to tell. Really appreciate your visiting with us today and checking out the show my friend.
Great video Dave! It sounds like a very good idea to replace the entire tangent of rail. Otherwise it would be a source of issues in the future, and those issues would probably reveal themselves in the dead of winter 🥶 Better to have the peace of mind 😊
Bad things always happen on the RR in the winter for sure! Thanks so much my good friend for the very nice comment. it's always a pleasure to have you visit with us.
When you were talking prices all I could think about was my Forman that retired a few years ago. He used to say " It takes alot of money to run a railroad chief" lol
It sure does Hillbilly and it's never gonna go down either, only go up. Really appreciate your visiting with us today and taking in the presentation my good man.
Many thanks for showing us the story of this rail repair in detail! I came away wondering why management didn't elect to have your lifter repaired instead of having another brought in? I'd guess expediency but was just curious.
Your very welcome machinech, glad to hear you had a good time on your visit with us. We do appreciate your watching. A very long story on the truck repair and one in which I'm not happy about it not getting done much sooner. It is a plumber's nightmare with the hydraulics under that truck, it's been to several outside mechanics and no one wants to deal with the mess they will get into fixing it.
@@ccrx6700 That makes all the sense in the world. Here's hoping they eventually find someone to sort it out for you. Can't wait to see more videos! Keep safe and all the best to you!
I wouldn't worry about the rail age. I work for a Class-1 and we still have ribbon rail from 1954 that heavy trains still roll on. It's in excellent condition and Sperry only finds a few defects every few months when they test.
@@ccrx6700 No problem. Your video is why I hate when the Jackson Tamper is in our yard. It is always good for breaking a rail on either and engine burn, crushed/ flattened head. Always on standby with joint bars unless the break is too bad. It's either that or turnouts that fall apart from them trying to raise it with crap ties under it. Heartburn every time!!
@@ccrx6700 Lifting it in little incriments like you do is the best way to surface track. minimalizes "downed ties" and limits the possibility of breaking a rail. The old timers that were close to retirement over 20 years ago when I hired on always raided track like that. It was a staple of the 70's/80's. They didn't crib mud, just dump stone and raise it super high and tamp. I've had issues in the past when installing new crossing panels and when they came to tamp it, I would tell them not to raise it more than an inch higher since the ground was cut down 5 inches below where the track would normally sit. Up it would go because they wouldn't listen and would force us to cut the pavement back further because the crossing would be a launch ramp if paved how it sat. I don't miss those guys on the surfacing gangs. Would always be a mess when they were done tamping.
I saw big boy..4014. at the Beverly yards in c.r. ia. a few years ago! it was not scheduled for public viewing yet thousands showed up...fathers and grandfather's brought there offspring...it was awesome ...4014 is back up in cheyenne wy. in the round house!
Would they ever break if they didn't flex? Don't think so, so looking for tie/crib/plate/ballast movement must be key to finding & stopping a potential, but is that too costly? Thanks for the vid!
Thanks for the suggestion Green Tree. I will work on doing that, however it may be a long time before it gets shown, I've right now got over 50 videos made and just waiting to be posted on YT. Appreciate your stopping by and taking in the show today my good man.
What is the main thing that makes that kind of thing happen to the rails to make them brake like that. Sorry to ask such a dumb question but I have never seen a chunk of steel brake like that. Glad you are tha one that found it so you didn't have to clean up after the train itself had broken it. Please be safe out there and thanks for the great videos
Very good question Big Don. The rail head that was flattened was most likely from an original mill defect, hydrogen trapped inside the rail head, called a shatter crack. Over the years the heavy train running over it (called rolling contact fatigue), weakened that area and was made worse because of the poor ballast that wouldn't hold track surface up. So eventually the rail just gave up and said if your not going to fix the ballast here, I;ll show you and just break on you!
Does Cumberland ever utilize the Sperry HyRail testing service? It might behoove Cumberland to purchase a new vehicle for you since you are an essential part of the safe and efficient operation of the company's interests. Years of continued pounding, climate change, etc. sure contributes to rail failure. While conducting the Sperry Car we discovered a number of broken rails on the old Boonton Line which was primarily stick rail. The Allied gang always followed us with a grapple truck and sticks of rail for immediate replacement. In addition to your regular pay you should be awarded a bonus for preventing a major derailment, great work and great video.
we;ve had Sperry, Nordco and Herzog in here over the years Gary. Depends on who is available. Small RR like us Herzog won't even come out anymore. The other 2 will come if they happen to be passing thru. They want the big jobs. Both Sperry and Nordco are hurting for man power. Sperry has office people driving trucks for them now to try and fill in. Always a great day to see you have paid us a visit my good friend.
Basic metallurgy. When steel is cycled (load on / off) it becomes less ductile, brittle, and thus prone to fracture. Rust snd spalling are stress riser which increase the likelihood of a crack.
Thank you Blair for the info, and add to that the very poor ballast under that part of the rail which wouldn't hold track surface. Finally the rail just gave up and said, listen, if your not going to fix the ballast under me and keep it tamped up to snuff, I'm going to break on you so you will have to do something. And it did..... Appreciate your watching the show today my good man.
@@ccrx6700 You're right. You have to start with a good base, and good ties. If you build a house on a sand and mud foundation, it'll fall apart no matter how strong the house is. Ballast is important, especially with fully loaded coal cars that can easily gross 100 tons a piece...
Gonna have the next video out Bob with me putting the rail anchors on. Here is an older video that explains what they are and the different styles of anchors. Hope all is well in the Yukon my good friend. Always great to have you visit with me. th-cam.com/video/TptF4Ut9OOc/w-d-xo.html
It may be the way the camera lens captured the video, but the rail looked bent way over. Is that really how it is, and was it like that before it was removed or did the removal process bend the rail?
The ground the rail was on was sloped a bit down hill to the left which is why it kinda looked distorted Jon. Very much appreciate your visit with us my friend.
Another really good reason to build a second track. Having a second track allows you to keep trains rolling while repairs are made on the other track At least on some of the sections that have the most breakage, they should add sidings so they can run around sections when they break
@@leonkernan Yeah it's not just building the siding. Now you have at least two more switches to maintain, and all the required signaling equipment to go with it. And what if there's no electricity around, now you gotta power that stuff somehow and bring in power lines. Gets super expensive. Like everything else these days.
Sure would have been nice if they built our track with CWR. But they cursed us with jointed track and way to expensive to ever consider converting over now.
You can learn a lot from studying broken things....for example, the crown area of the cracked rail had cracks that were parallel to the surface, whereas the lower portions were more granular. I am thinking that the pounding that the crown receives has the effect of cold forging the steel so that the atoms of iron organize into flat sheets in that area. Perhaps you have seen this in other rails that have failed...
Like Yogi Berra said once, You can see a lot just by observing things.... :-) But perhaps your not familiar with him, he was a catcher for the New York Yankees. But you're absolutely right Barney. RR's have since way back learned tremendous amounts from studying broken rails. They used to have rail breaking parties where they would intentionally break a rail to study the wear that was going on inside. Thanks so much my friend for stopping by and watching today.
Appears that way David, but what you are seeing is the ground that rail was laying on was sloped to the left. Very much appreciate your stopping by and taking in the show today my good man.
It is obvious that the rail had been cracked, you saved a potential disaster by finding the crack! Thank you for sharing Dave!
Your very welcome Raymond. We did get lucky. Really appreciate
your paying me a visit today and watching my friend.
You and the crews do good work. Tell the company thanks for allowing you to teach us!
Chuck
Was very nice of you to take the time and visit with us today
to watch the presentation Chuck and yes we are lucky I can
do this here for you guys.
I think you adverted a real bad train accident. Bless your heart! Another great video. You and Pappy have really been busy with your great and interesting videos. Thanks for sharing.
Wonder if that means I get paid more for the days work Valerie?
LOL Fix 1 rail = $2,000. Pay for a derailment = $200,000. Perhaps
they should pay me what I saved them. Then I can buy all my
subscribers a ccrx6700 T shirt, coffee mug and ball cap.... LOL LOL
I like when you visit me my friend. You bring out the best in me.
@@ccrx6700 I think you should at least get a big bonus! Haha
@@ccrx6700 $200,000 for a derailment? That's only if there's no damage to the consist or the locomotives. Just takes one loco to roll over on it's side, and spill 1000's of gallons of fuel into the ballast, now you're into some big money :) Stay safe!
Dave, thanks for showing us these things. It helps me to understand and see railroads differently . Thanks a lot!!
Your certainly welcome Larry. I've found that these videos are
educational to others and myself. I get tons of questions and do
research to try and give accurate answers. Many folks don't realize what all goes on behind the scenes on track and rolling stock
maintenance to keep trains running. It's a lot of fun for me to share. Thank you for taking the time to pay us a visit and check out the video. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Dave its not the RR gods;Its dedicated workers such a you that keep the trains on the roll. Thanks for another interesting video. Keep them rolling smooth and off the ground!
Well thanks Mike for the vote of confidence, but after seeing
the inside of this rail, it totally amazed me the train hadn't
broke it by now. I'm baffled about that. Always great to have
you visit with us my friend.
It's never fun to be the "guy" that "breaks" stuff through inspection, even when it is clear in this case it wasn't your fault. NDT stuff sometimes finds things, but hands-on inspections are key in any industry. Nice work brother!
Thank you Model Enginerding for the nice comment. We have
a rule here, the man with the most seniority is always right,
(that would be me) and the guy with the least seniority, it's
always his fault when something goes wrong or breaks.
Personally, I like that rule.... :-) Thanks so much for
joining us and watching today my good man.
Recoup your costs. Cut the old rail into 2' and 3' sections and sell them as home anvil kits. They would sell, especially at events where blacksmithing is part of the show stalls.
Sounds like a good idea Big'un. Have started a collection of
items that were destined for the dumpster, but also don't
want to get in trouble like Rocky Myrtle did.... but then I don't
work for Santa Fe either like he did. If you don't know who
he is, check out some of the books he has written, excellent
reading if you like RR stuff.
That is company property. You either like employment, or you like the side hustle. You loose the employment you loose the side hustle.
Thanx DAVE ... and "Happy Rails" to you too !
We want to say Thank You for dropping in on us and watching
the presentation today Captain. And happy sailing to you my friend.
I think that tamping job happened for a reason. Sometimes a little luck, or divine intervention plays a role, and the day turns out way better than it would have! Glad everything has worked out so well! Thanks for another great video Dave!
Excellent thoughts Jim! I cannot argue with you at all on that.
Very much appreciate your sharing with us my friend and
for checking out tonight's episode.
Thanks for another video glad you all are getting new rail for that low side in the curve. Stay safe out there!
Your welcome Zach, very glad to hear you had a good time
on your visit with us. We really appreciate your stopping
by and watching my good man.
Great video Dave,
We want to say Thank You for dropping in on us and watching
the presentation today Derrick. Very glad you had a good time
my friend.
Great video as usual. I always enjoy your updates on track problems. Have a great day.
Thank you Lewis for the very nice comment. We do so appreciate
your tuning your YT dial in to watch us today my good man.
Another good informative video Dave! Most people would not have been able to tell how old that break was or where it started. It takes a real railroader to know such things. Most other people who make videos don’t have much of a clue of what really happens to the rail or road bed. As long as a train can run by that’s all they want to know. I may be wrong but I think you are the only real railroader that shows how a railroad works and the things it takes to keep trains running. Keep up the good work. PS, some of your videos could be used in training classes for newly hired on employees.
Thanks Joe for the exceptionally nice comment, really glad you enjoyed and we do appreciate your taking the time to check out the video my friend. This channel is unique and it's my passion
working track so it really is an honor to be able to share what
we do out here on the track. You are so right most folks don't
have a clue what it takes to keep trains moving so it's a
blessing to me that these videos can help raise awareness
and also hope that all train watchers will have a new appreciate
for railroad maintenance workers all over.
that rail is 45 years old...that is probably...the limit as to...the life of the rail..great work dave!
They certainly got their money's worth out of it. Yep time to
replace it when it gets that worn out.
The original flaw that grew was in the left portion of the rail about halfway into the rail head shows at 3:07. The last part of the rail head that broke was in the right gauge face. That is evident from the crushing of the rail head prior to the break. See my comment on the Sept 1 video. Sperry still will attend any "nick-and-break" of marked rails so they can continue to evolve their services and knowledge. This was what I was expecting the break to look like.
Thank you very much Roy for taking the time out of your busy day to watch the video and write in with your thoughts.
Hey Dave, luck was on your side!!! What a mess that could have been!!!! Great video Dave!!! Thanks for sharing sir!!!
Do you believe in miracles Ron? I think we may have witnessed
one here. After seeing the inside of this rail, it totally amazes
me the train never broke it. I'm baffled my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Well yes I do believe in miracles
My engineer sir.
Thankyou very much for introducing this
beautifull and amazing video for Rails. ❤️
Your very welcome Thomas, thank you very much for stopping
by and watching my friend.
Dave, yes you were truly fortunate! There was not much holding that piece of rail together. Very lucky that the engine didn't break through that last little piece. Thanks for the great video!
It just amazes me Tom after seeing this that the train didn't
break it, I have no clue how it didn't. We are grateful for your
visit with us today my friend.
Totally agree that rail had been cracked for a good while
The discoloration is evident of this condition
Thanks Kevin for choosing to visit with us tonight and take
in the presentation. Glad to hear you concur with my thoughts.
Thanks for taking time to show this. Another good one. 👍
Was very nice of you to take the time and visit with us today
to watch the presentation 2xrpm.
Interesting information on the break. Glad you completed the break so that you wouldn't have had a bigger mess on your hands.
Glad you had a good time watching John. We're very grateful
for you deciding to visit with us today my friend.
Thanks for the update, Dave! Yeah you can tell that rail had been failing for a long time. Does the old rail eventually get hauled off to be recycled?
it doesn't get recycled. It gets scrapped, they melt it down again and make it into something else. Recycling means you are a hippie. This is done for money
@@davidanalyst671 Well hell.. Guess I need to just sell off my range brass instead of reloading it. Don't want to be a hippy. lol
Your very welcome Shane. Very glad you had a good time with
us. Always a pleasure to have you write in and join us my friend.
Our rail that is taken out that is not good enough to be called
relay rail (rail that can be relaid on a main) is sold to a contractor
(Frontier RR Services) where they will put it in sidings or spurs
or yards. The rail that is Sperry tested as bad and this rail
in the video will get sold for scrap where it will then be
taken to a rolling mill and recycled to make new rail. Scrap
is a major component of the process of making new rail and
old used RR material is perfect for doing that.
@@ccrx6700 on an old episode of Boneyard I saw where a company in the Chicago area if I remember correctly, took old disused rail and hot-rolled it into fencing t-posts.
Another thumbs up, great job
Thank you Tom. So great of you to stop by and take in the
video. Very pleased to hear you had a good time watching
my friend.
Great video and tutorial of the ceacked/broken rail! And yes the RAILROAD GODS were watching over you guys to save from a disaster that nobody wants. Thanks again Dave for sharing your videos with us along with your PRICELESS time and effort! We appreciate all you do there and on here!
We want to say Thank You for dropping in on us and watching
the presentation today Shawn. Always a pleasure to have
you visit with me my friend.
Hmmm, very interesting! Thanks for sharing Dave!
Thank you Eric for taking the time to tune in and watch
the video today. Was good to have you join in with us.
@@ccrx6700 You're welcome!
Not on a railroad but I've seen this metal fatigue breakage before. The shinyer, newer looking the color, the more recent the break. The older and cruddier, the older the break. Thanks Dave!
yup! Seen similar stuff in power plant components. Sometimes you even get 'rings' or 'ripples', like the sand just at the shore of a beach. A tiny crack, and it rusts inside. But stress and working, closes it for a bit. Then it opens, cracks a little further and another 'band' of rust forms. Repeat several times, each time it cracks a little further, leaving another band until it fails (hopefully you catch it in time with NDT if it's a critical area)
But this looks more like a crack formed and rusted, then the head started failing, and when Dave lifted, the web just snapped clean.
Thanks for sharing that with us Fireball XL, guess metal is metal
and shares the same attributes whether a rail or not. Hope
you are feeling a lot better my friend and thanks so much
for dropping in on us tonight.
I was hoping that you would show us the rail break after you fixed it. Thanks for the video.
Your welcome James and glad I could find this and do it. Next
video out will have me putting the anchors on. Very much appreciate
your stopping by and taking in the show today my friend.
From looking at that rail looked like it had some bad metal flaws in it And also I wanna take the time to thank you guys for what you do on the railroad you guys truly keep America moving N8rbi Radio 😊👍
Thank you so much Mike for the very nice comment. it's been great
to have you join in with us tonight my good man.
Hi Dave, we didn't think you broke the rail!
Thanks for the video, keep up the good work and keep on laughing🙂🙃
We want to say Thank You for dropping in on us and watching
the presentation today Annette. Appreciate your vote of confidence
in me my friend!
Thank you Dave for another great video. I think you have diverted a possibility of a train derailment. I have seen how much work is involved in track inspection and maintenance. Thank you for sharing this with us Dave. ❤🇨🇦
Thank you Ray for the kind words. Maybe you can email corporate
and relay to them your sentiments and I'll get a pay raise... :-)
Always great to have you visit with us my friend.
God was really watching over you and the rails, having things go down as they did! While the break was not wanted, it was needed to be found. Perfect timing on that! Glad it was addressed. Way to go for another fine video!
Thank you Trena for the very nice comment. We do so appreciate
your tuning your YT dial in to watch us today my friend.
What happens with all the scrapped rail tracks, are they recycled for new or something else?
And that absolutely warm friendly smile and personality of yours is beautiful, so hard to find many people now in society with a genuine passion for their work and others.
Thank you so much for the very nice comment Verified. We
do appreciate your visiting with us today my friend. Totally
junk rail like this one will be put in dumpsters or get sold
for scrap . Scrap is then sold to rolling mills and will be used
for making new rail.
A good view of the metal fatigue and shows how lucky you were. I also see how the rail looks bent over, I guess with the foot being cracked that may of happened as it dipped towards that side under a trains weight Great sound riding the ballast car.
After seeing the inside of that rail cedarcam, I'm totally baffled how
the train never broke it. Just amazing to me. Maybe I
should play the lottery? :-) Always a pleasure to have you
pay us a visit my friend.
Another good catch Dave.
Thank you Bill, we got lucky. How in the world the train never
broke that rail? I'm baffled. Very much appreciate your
visit with me today my friend.
Holy cow Dave, that rail shows its been compromised for a while, so so glad it didn't happen on a train.. how Long will it take to put anchors back on the rails. Another fine quality video. Great investigation.. stay safe out there my friend.....
Thanks so much Pappy for the very kind words. Next video out
you will see me put the anchors on. Got a little creative with
the camera on that one, I think you will enjoy it. I have no
clue how in the world the train kept going over that and
it never broke the rail, just amazes me after seeing what it
looked like inside. Do you believe in miracles?
@@ccrx6700 after this rail, I definitely believe in miracles...
in your endeavor finding faults...in the rail..is what you do! by revealing the fault...you saved hundreds of thousands of dollar. and downtime...great work dave!
Thank you Dave, appreciate the very nice comment and for
your taking the time to watch my friend.
boy you really dodged the golden bb on that one .Great video Dave 👍🚂 Really enjoy watching maintenance videos
Yes we did Christopher. Very much appreciate your tuning
in to watch the presentation my friend.
That seems like blessing in disguise that you broke it while doing maintenance.
it certainly was blue. I'm totally baffled as to how the train
never broke it. One of life's many amazements to me. Appreciate
so much your visit with me my friend.
Swingin that sledge Dave keeps ya in good shape.
I need to swing that a lot more then.... LOL Could stand to
lose some extra pounds. Very much appreciate your visit
with and taking in the video my friend.
Very very fortunate to say the least, could have been much worse. Very nice to see you show us this.
Very glad to have you join in with us Tony. I'm totally baffled after seeing this why the train never broke that rail, just amazing to me.
Thanks so much for writing in and watching my friend.
Wow that's a bad rail fracture, nice work on track maitenance Dave.
After seeing the inside of that rail Arkay, I'm totally baffled how
the train never broke it. Just amazing to me. Maybe I
should play the lottery? :-) Always a pleasure to have you
pay us a visit my friend.
Good job Dave!! I like when dark clouds have silver linings.
Thank you Rick. Do appreciate your visit with us and it's
always great to hear from you my friend.
Love all of your knowledge about the tracks that you show us.
Thank you very much Margaret for the kind words. Always
a treat to have you join in with us my friend.
That wasn't luck that was professional skill but you saved the train from an accident Great video Dave my friend thanks
Thanks so much Gary for visiting with us and taking in the show, It's always great to hear from you my friend.
I'm glad you got it all fixed up!
Thank you fredy gump for taking the time to tune in and watch
the video today. Was good to have you join in with us.
you guys averted another derailment for sure! Glad you got it repaired in time.
We would like to say Thank You very much for taking the time
to visit with us today and watch the presentation Patrick.
Yes sir, we really lucked out for sure.
Good job Dave 👏 👍
Only 7 broken rails?
Can't tell you how many broken 80 pound bars we have along with Dutchman fillers on the Cooperstown and Charlotte Valley RR.
Switch building this weekend.
Will send the pictures 📷.
Stay safe my friend.
Richard Bause
We want to say Thank You for dropping in on us and watching
the presentation today Richard Yes only 7, but I had to fix
every one of them.... but that's railroading.
@@ccrx6700 and a great job for doing the fix.
Will let you know how we make out on the switch build this weekend. 👍🦺
Nice to know what happened Dave. I’m subbed!☘️👍
Thank you donal finn and welcome to our community, we are glad
to have you with us and hope you will continue to enjoy.
Here is an introduction video to get you a feel for what all we do here at the Railroad and a bit about our mine:
th-cam.com/video/oOug0z34118/w-d-xo.html
Lot's of cool RR videos on our home page if you would sometime care to check any of them out.
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Very interesting Dave! I would agree with your conclusion. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Brian for taking the time to tune in and watch
the video today. Was good to have you join in with us.
Great video Dave, informative as always. Get them anchors on buddy and you can rest easy 👍🏼😁🇺🇸
Thanks so much Stretch Limo. Got the anchors on today,
and you will see video of that next out. Thanks so much
my friend for giving me a visit today.
GOOD JOB DAVID!
Thank you Ralph for the very nice comment. We do so appreciate
your tuning your YT dial in to watch us today my friend.
Beautiful Work Dave keep up that birds eye you got for defects, etc. 😊🇺🇸🙏
Thank you my friend for the very kind words. We really appreciate
your taking the time to watch and write in. Always a pleasure
to have you join us my friend.
Job well done all round Dave! Always things for you to do buddy, but I doubt you'd want it any other way 😉 Stay safe out there!
Thank you Richard for the very nice comment. We do so appreciate
your tuning your YT dial in to watch us today my good man.
Thanks Dave...
Your very welcome Northern Living. Thank you so much for
dropping by and paying us a visit tonight my friend.
You could really see that the rail had some old cracks great job Dave👍👍
Thank you Russell, glad you had a good time watching. It's
always a good night for me when you pay us a visit my friend.
So appreciate all your great support you have given the channel
for such a long time now.
@@ccrx6700 Love this channel Dave👍
Very nice! It seems that you were instrumental in avoiding a derailment. How cool is that :) I would wonder (and I am sure many, many folks have looked at it) what the effects of coal dust on steel are. Say we had some small cracks in the surface, could coal dust penetrate these cracks and cause some intense corrosion? I know coal varies in sulfur content, but we might find some sulfuric acid action in the presence of moisture. It seems most likely that any small flaw in the steel structure would be worked on by the cyclic stresses of the trains traveling back and forth to the point of failure. What strikes me is the relatively short time between Nordco's testing and the failure, so this is food for thought :) The good news is - trouble was avoided!
Thanks Brian for the very nice comment, glad you enjoyed. It's always
a pleasure to have you pay us a visit my friend. You bring up some
good points. The acid in coal eats away at the steel in the rails,
tie plates, anchors and spikes. Just had a good idea for a
future video where I will show some rail that has been
corroded by the coal. I've seen spikes and track bolts that
were corroded down to almost pencil size.
For sure the acid in the coal is made worse when the coal is
dampened. And yes if there are cracks that mixture can
get inside the rail and cause further internal damage. The
cyclic stresses as you say is called Rolling Contact Fatigue
by RR engineers, but it's the same thing as cyclic stresses,
just a term they use. Obviously with heavy coal trains and
poor ballast that won't hold track surface well such as
we had here, the stress on the rail is much greater and
will cause rapid deterioration of any surface or even internal
defect.
Very good educational video Dave!
Thank you Rick for the kind words, very glad you had a good time.
Always great to have you visit with us my friend.
I absolutely love your videos.
Well thank you very much 6firefightin. So nice of you to take
the time to write in with the very kind words. We really appreciate
your support of the channel my friend.
Great as always .Good catch. Peace Cpt
Thank you William for the very nice comment. We do so appreciate
your tuning your YT dial in to watch us today my good man.
Thanks for this informative video.
That much of prior disruption in a rail migtht be expected to affect its longitudinal properties/characteristics, such as in electromagnetic and sonic conductance. If there were a way to measure these, it may be possible to identify such latent defects in segments of rail during routine inspection.
Your very welcome Robin. Really appreciate your writing in
and for watching. Always a pleasure to hear from you my friend.
Some good detective work there!
We want to say Thank You for dropping in on us and watching
the presentation today.
Thank you sir for taking the time to show us the proper way to break a rail.. 😄 Just kidding, Thank you sir for the video. Be well, stay safe.. 73's✌
your very welcome Renegade. Jackson tamper salesman used
to use the pitch: more insertions, deeper penetration and we
don't charge extra for finding weak spots in the rail. Very
much want to thank you for your visit with us today my
good man.
@@ccrx6700 Always a pleasure, Thank you, and Stay safe..✌
I believe that the rails are made for a weight like bridges, but today they mount double containers one on top of the other, exceeding the weight that the rails can support such as sleepers, before the rails were smaller, but they had more stability. Being taller, they hold more weights, but they lose stability and the tracks are the same, I think that is why there are more railway accidents today than before, the weight of the locomotives is enormous, that is why the old steel bridges fall down , rusty and overweight. A hug David
Thank you titan titan for sharing your thoughts. Double stack well cars don't weigh as much as you may think, Modern locos
weigh around 420,000 pounds. Appreciate very much your
taking the time to watch. May you have a most blessed
day my friend.
I think you need to do some comparisons to make a statement like that . steam and diesel engines and they diesel weighs more .not in every circumstance .
Awesome bit of luck, someone was keeping an eye on you. BTW, Saw a post today by an Iowa railroad TH-camr of a nasty derailment, Union Pacific line. Not sure of the name of the TH-camr but it was a lot if cars, a lot or rail and it took a bridge out. Thank you take care.
I saw one too, I guess it could be this guys RED'S IOWA TRAIN VIDEOS sure was a mess Glad Dave did not have anything this bad to deal with
@@cedarcam yes that was it, thanks. Derailments are so bad and Dave was blessed for sure.
Thanks so much EJ for visiting with us and taking in the show.
I saw that UP disaster, it was ugly for sure.
Dean of Railroad-ology back with the update. That bottom part of the rail was rough, what is the usual train speed on that part of the track? With it being the inside rail on the turn may that have been what prevented it from ending even worse since the load would be higher on the outside rail?
Thank you so much Ray for the very kind words. We really appreciate
your taking the time to watch and write in my friend. Normal track
speed here is 25. With the ideal super elevation in the curve,
ideal ballast and track surface conditions then the weight
on both inside and outside rails would be almost the same.
However, that is in a perfect world.
Good catch ... We live to Railfan another day 😂 Thx ole pal ...
Thanks Eddy. Saved the mines again.... LOL (that's a saying
we have here when somebody finds a break or something) Very
much appreciate your deciding to pay us a visit today and
take in the show my friend.
When they cut loose that's it. Thankfully found in time before any disaster struck. It's even been mentioned that rail that was inspected just a few days before can still have something go wrong even without the defect appearing on their print out
Your right about that Paul. A rail tested today can develop a
defect tomorrow. I'm totally baffled after seeing the inside of this
how in the world the train never broke it. Maybe I should play
the lottery? :-) Always great to have you pay us a visit my friend.
Illuminating the fracture surface with light from the side will show fracture initiation on the right side head (looks like multiple fatigue initiation sites - the botom flang is simply covered with mud and will clear to grey when washed.
We would like to say Thank You very much for taking the time
to visit with us today and watch the presentation EddieVBlueIsland.
Appreciate also the very nice comment my good man.
Thanks for sharing, Dave, looks like the base was broken for a while.
Very welcome Wilbur. Thank you so much for taking the
time to tune in and check out the video my friend.
wow so much work DANG !
Ah, but that's railroadin Gerald.... :-) Really appreciate your
paying us a visit today and taking in the show my friend.
A disaster was prevented. Please continue to keep the rails safe.
After seeing the inside of that rail Beverly, I'm totally amazed how
the train never broke it. Just incredible. Maybe I
should play the lottery? :-) Always a pleasure to have you
pay us a visit my friend.
Any more specifics on the failed rail? Basic oxygen converters were common by 1965 in vertically integrated sites like Bethlehem and US Steel. Electric arc furnaces are typically stand alone for recycling/cold pig iron and DRI processing.
Sure looks like a burned steel as it is brittle and soft.
Keith Jurena others have said in the last video that the rails made in 1975 had a lot of flaws in them.....but still its lasted this long it just reached the end of its useful life.......nothing lasts forever......
even the fact that this is a closed loop Class II road it been kept in remarkably good running condition nonetheless,
a lot of that can be credited to Dave for his attention to detail and love of safe and smooth operation so that the company
can keep on meeting its delivery schedules in a safe and timely manner, and minimal losses for all concerned!
Really appreciate your giving us a visit Keith and taking in the
video my good man. This rail was rolled 1975 by US Steel in Illinois.
Lucky in it happen with no train on it. ` Thanks for sharing Dave.
After seeing the inside of that rail John, I'm totally baffled how
the train never broke it. Just amazing to me. Maybe I
should play the lottery? :-) It's always a pleasure to have you
pay us a visit my friend.
Dave, would've the heavy covering of coal dust prevented the rail inspector machine from "seeing" that crack maybe?
Nope
No sir, they look inside the rail. However Sperry admits they
don't always catch a base break, it's not a perfect science
what they do, but it's far better than no rail testing at all.
Thanks so much my good man for visiting with us today
and taking in the video.
@@ccrx6700 thanks for the reply! I'm always learning something on your videos!
Gods lookin out for ya cause your a good dude Dave
Thanks Edward for the kind words. Guess I'm going to have
to make friends with the lottery gods then.... LOL Really
appreciate your visiting with us and checking out the show my friend.
Thank you for all the videos and knowledge, I watched a video years ago from overseas small train steep incline two guys sitting on front of train spreading sand as they went along they said it was the only way it could pull the hill I didn’t know modern trains still use sand one of your videos you talked about it on the ground could you make a video showing how this system works & where the sand is stored
Your very welcome Walt, glad you had a good time with us.
All 3 of our locos have sanders on them, manually activated and
also automatically activated by the loco's wheel slip system.
Thanks for the suggestion and for taking the time to write
in and watch today my friend.
Dave, they need to give you a new title. Rail tester extraordinaire, everything you find breaks. Ha!
Guess I'm going to have to start making videos on everything I
find that isn't broken then Thomas....LOL Hope the new title brings
with it less hours and more pay..... Thanks so much for watching
the broken rail video my friend.
Very nice Dave, We watched this right before bad last evening. For sure got lucky and could have been worse.
Thanks Steve, I'm totally baffled after seeing the inside of this
rail how in the world the train never broke it with the
poor ballast we have under the track there. Maybe there
are RR gods after all who look out for us?
@@ccrx6700 Your welcome.
Interesting you can see the crystal grain structure in the rail itself. No idea what would cause that because it's not like the rail is heat treated, to some specific hardness. Looks like a manufacturing defect in metallurgy. How old was that rail?
Rail was rolled in 1975 in Illinois by US Steel Kleetus. I think
it was an impurity in the original steel that was made worse
over time by the train and then the poor ballast conditions.
Thanks so much for visiting with me today and watching my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Seems reasonable that the metallurgy was off since a few sections of rail of the same vintage seem to be having issues in the same place.
Looks like the rail "tilts" one particular direction. Is that from the break or by design for curves??
Lookie like that in the video cause the rail was laying on ground
that was sloped to the left Jerry. Camera kinda made it hard
to tell. Really appreciate your visiting with us today and
checking out the show my friend.
Great video Dave! It sounds like a very good idea to replace the entire tangent of rail. Otherwise it would be a source of issues in the future, and those issues would probably reveal themselves in the dead of winter 🥶 Better to have the peace of mind 😊
Bad things always happen on the RR in the winter for sure!
Thanks so much my good friend for the very nice comment.
it's always a pleasure to have you visit with us.
When you were talking prices all I could think about was my Forman that retired a few years ago. He used to say " It takes alot of money to run a railroad chief" lol
It sure does Hillbilly and it's never gonna go down either, only
go up. Really appreciate your visiting with us today and
taking in the presentation my good man.
Many thanks for showing us the story of this rail repair in detail! I came away wondering why management didn't elect to have your lifter repaired instead of having another brought in? I'd guess expediency but was just curious.
Likely time I would assume. I dislike that word, lol.
Your very welcome machinech, glad to hear you had a good time
on your visit with us. We do appreciate your watching. A very
long story on the truck repair and one in which I'm not
happy about it not getting done much sooner. It is a plumber's
nightmare with the hydraulics under that truck, it's been to
several outside mechanics and no one wants to deal with the
mess they will get into fixing it.
@@ccrx6700 That makes all the sense in the world. Here's hoping they eventually find someone to sort it out for you. Can't wait to see more videos! Keep safe and all the best to you!
@@machinech183 😊👍
I wouldn't worry about the rail age. I work for a Class-1 and we still have ribbon rail from 1954 that heavy trains still roll on. It's in excellent condition and Sperry only finds a few defects every few months when they test.
Thanks for the info Cummins Owner. We do appreciate your
taking the time to stop by and watch the presentation my good man.
@@ccrx6700 No problem. Your video is why I hate when the Jackson Tamper is in our yard. It is always good for breaking a rail on either and engine burn, crushed/ flattened head. Always on standby with joint bars unless the break is too bad. It's either that or turnouts that fall apart from them trying to raise it with crap ties under it. Heartburn every time!!
@@CSXtrackworker i hear that. Some guys go nuts and try lift track 5 inches at a time. I have no QC crew behind me so keep my lift at 2.5 generally.
@@ccrx6700 Lifting it in little incriments like you do is the best way to surface track. minimalizes "downed ties" and limits the possibility of breaking a rail. The old timers that were close to retirement over 20 years ago when I hired on always raided track like that. It was a staple of the 70's/80's. They didn't crib mud, just dump stone and raise it super high and tamp. I've had issues in the past when installing new crossing panels and when they came to tamp it, I would tell them not to raise it more than an inch higher since the ground was cut down 5 inches below where the track would normally sit. Up it would go because they wouldn't listen and would force us to cut the pavement back further because the crossing would be a launch ramp if paved how it sat. I don't miss those guys on the surfacing gangs. Would always be a mess when they were done tamping.
I saw big boy..4014. at the Beverly yards in c.r. ia. a few years ago! it was not scheduled for public viewing yet thousands showed up...fathers and grandfather's brought there offspring...it was awesome ...4014 is back up in cheyenne wy. in the round house!
it is an awesome loco. I saw 4012 at Steamtown a couple years
ago but it was on static display, still was fantastic just to stand
beside it.
Thanks Dave
Your welcome Frank, very much appreciate your visiting with
me today my friend.
Would they ever break if they didn't flex? Don't think so, so looking for tie/crib/plate/ballast movement must be key to finding & stopping a potential, but is that too costly? Thanks for the vid!
Thanks al ro, really glad you enjoyed and we do appreciate
your taking the time to check out the video my friend.
Can you show what goes on at the mine, how that gets to the loading head. 👍🏻
Thanks for the suggestion Green Tree. I will work on doing
that, however it may be a long time before it gets shown,
I've right now got over 50 videos made and just waiting to
be posted on YT. Appreciate your stopping by and taking in
the show today my good man.
What is the main thing that makes that kind of thing happen to the rails to make them brake like that. Sorry to ask such a dumb question but I have never seen a chunk of steel brake like that. Glad you are tha one that found it so you didn't have to clean up after the train itself had broken it. Please be safe out there and thanks for the great videos
Very good question Big Don. The rail head that was flattened
was most likely from an original mill defect, hydrogen trapped
inside the rail head, called a shatter crack. Over the years
the heavy train running over it (called rolling contact fatigue), weakened that area and was made worse because of the poor ballast that wouldn't hold track surface up. So eventually the rail just gave up and said if your not going to fix the ballast here, I;ll show you and just break on you!
Does Cumberland ever utilize the Sperry HyRail testing service? It might behoove Cumberland to purchase a new vehicle for you since you are an essential part of the safe and efficient operation of the company's interests. Years of continued pounding, climate change, etc. sure contributes to rail failure. While conducting the Sperry Car we discovered a number of broken rails on the old Boonton Line which was primarily stick rail. The Allied gang always followed us with a grapple truck and sticks of rail for immediate replacement. In addition to your regular pay you should be awarded a bonus for preventing a major derailment, great work and great video.
we;ve had Sperry, Nordco and Herzog in here over the years Gary.
Depends on who is available. Small RR like us Herzog won't
even come out anymore. The other 2 will come if they happen
to be passing thru. They want the big jobs. Both Sperry and
Nordco are hurting for man power. Sperry has office people
driving trucks for them now to try and fill in. Always a great day
to see you have paid us a visit my good friend.
sometimes, things like this happen for a reason, easier to replace a rail then cleaning up a derailment.
Without a doubt is is rear speaker. Read my reply to Valerie Basset's
comment. Appreciate your visit with me tonight my friend.
Basic metallurgy. When steel is cycled (load on / off) it becomes less ductile, brittle, and thus prone to fracture. Rust snd spalling are stress riser which increase the likelihood of a crack.
Thank you Blair for the info, and add to that the very poor
ballast under that part of the rail which wouldn't hold
track surface. Finally the rail just gave up and said, listen,
if your not going to fix the ballast under me and keep it tamped
up to snuff, I'm going to break on you so you will have to do
something. And it did..... Appreciate your watching the show
today my good man.
@@ccrx6700 You're right. You have to start with a good base, and good ties. If you build a house on a sand and mud foundation, it'll fall apart no matter how strong the house is. Ballast is important, especially with fully loaded coal cars that can easily gross 100 tons a piece...
What are anchors Dave?
Gonna have the next video out Bob with me putting the
rail anchors on. Here is an older video that explains what
they are and the different styles of anchors. Hope all
is well in the Yukon my good friend. Always great to have
you visit with me.
th-cam.com/video/TptF4Ut9OOc/w-d-xo.html
I walked an out of service line last Monday. It had several things wrong with it now.
Was very nice of you to take the time and visit with us
to watch the show tonight Preston.
Dave at work again fixing broken track.
Was very nice of you to take the time and visit with us today
to watch the presentation Michael.
It may be the way the camera lens captured the video, but the rail looked bent way over. Is that really how it is, and was it like that before it was removed or did the removal process bend the rail?
The ground the rail was on was sloped a bit down hill to the
left which is why it kinda looked distorted Jon. Very
much appreciate your visit with us my friend.
Another really good reason to build a second track.
Having a second track allows you to keep trains rolling while repairs are made on the other track
At least on some of the sections that have the most breakage, they should add sidings so they can run around sections when they break
Also incredibly costly for a limited benefit. The company would never consider that unless traffic demanded it.
Thank you very much ocsrc for taking the time out of your busy day to watch the video and write in with your thoughts my friend.
@@leonkernan Yeah it's not just building the siding. Now you have at least two more switches to maintain, and all the required signaling equipment to go with it. And what if there's no electricity around, now you gotta power that stuff somehow and bring in power lines. Gets super expensive. Like everything else these days.
all of the u.p. mainline near me is ribbon rail...pretty shure the've been using it since.... at least the 70s
Sure would have been nice if they built our track with CWR. But
they cursed us with jointed track and way to expensive to ever
consider converting over now.
You can learn a lot from studying broken things....for example, the crown area of the cracked rail had cracks that were parallel to the surface, whereas the lower portions were more granular. I am thinking that the pounding that the crown receives has the effect of cold forging the steel so that the atoms of iron organize into flat sheets in that area. Perhaps you have seen this in other rails that have failed...
Like Yogi Berra said once, You can see a lot just by observing things.... :-) But perhaps your not familiar with him, he was a
catcher for the New York Yankees. But you're absolutely right
Barney. RR's have since way back learned tremendous
amounts from studying broken rails. They used to have rail
breaking parties where they would intentionally break a rail
to study the wear that was going on inside. Thanks so much
my friend for stopping by and watching today.
It also looks like it was bent to the left the two radius are different is that possible ?
Appears that way David, but what you are seeing is the
ground that rail was laying on was sloped to the left. Very
much appreciate your stopping by and taking in the show
today my good man.