@@absterge it doesn't even matter... if you outplay them.... They win on sheer output, while also being crazy difficult to kill. Add that with spam ranged instant/AOE CC and S++ tier mobility, and you have the best spec in the game. I've been running into a ton of DH at 2100-2300 that are using rain from above and doing absurd dps, especially with a priest PI'ing them during it.
@@dolan5312 if it isn't DH it is Rogue, if it isn't Rogue it's Ret Rework ect ect ect ect for since Arena has been released. That's how the game is and will always be. It's simple really, if you hate it, don't play it.
A few specs seem 'bugged', i mostly heal and no one does any damage and then an assa rogue or dh appears and the entire screen is dead constantly and cant be topped. I was slamming some 2s the other day and beat a warrior r1 Legend streamer who had his 535 fyr'alath and then the game right after it was a rival 2 peak dh with green weapons and he ran down my rshaman in 3 minutes. I feel like they messed up the scaling because its not even tier sets you can hop on your dh right now and just nail people with all green gear.
Tbh the latency delay in wow compared to a game like cs2 is wild. In cs2 with 220ms delay you’ll have a noticeable delay of at least 1.5-2 seconds but in wow 220 ms is almost instant if not half a second at most. I play on a west coast realm as an australian with 180-200ms and yea, wow actually has very good servers
Dh is definitely strong but im not having too many issues with them on my warrior I notice that they usually out dps me by a bit. But warrior is getting buffed today.
Yo bro always use Essence break in demon form and use deathsweep unless your target has 1 hp. Cancel eye beam cast and essence break combo. Dont try too hard to fully channel eye beam
I was finding it pretty hard to believe existance had over 200 ping and he would do these crazy encaps that would totally eff someone over at the EXACT moment
The problem with DH is the same as Ret, and WW. They pretty much get free cleave damage just from doing their single target rotation. A DH's rotation to do this damage does not mean they are doing less single target damage to their kill target. This is single target, they just happen to all be AoE also. This is on top of their insane toolkit they already have access to.
Nothing against pika, he's awesome. Love his content and personality, it's why I'm here. Having to get information from everywhere BUT the actual graphics because of visual clutter is awful. If you don't understand that point, I don't think you'd understand anything else I say.
DH burst makes no sense, sometimes my deathsweep hits for 70k but sometimes it will hit for over 200k. the other day i hit a boomie for 263k hunt into 248k death sweep and into 100k annilhation all within 2 seconds. pvp is such a gamble game
That's retail in general. Back when I played last month, I'd get 400k ferocious bites and sometimes it would hit for 90k. The stars (buffs) need to align for you to do damage. It's pretty lame.
One of the bugs of DH since the start of season 3 is that whenever they use two of their glaive-throws and blade dance they throw a 3rd one, which provokes a longer dot and more cdr on the hunt which should be fixed tbh. Cheers on the 2nd place tho Pika keep it up!
I'm a DH main-2.500. I noticed you didn't use your Chaos Nova so many times when you could have been stunning 2+ people, and also, you need to use darkness and blur more proactively, but good job!
i already knew that DH was going to make the tourny instantly less fun to watch. it's like watching MDI and seeing every team with a DH tank every season.
Hes playing Outlaw for more control of the group rather than the dam it bringe, he probably isnt maximizing his rotation while trying to get so much control
@@petersirota5124 thats fair, and i completely understand that. its still frustrating to watch other rogues getting CDs from targets by doing way more output, so we know what the spec can do.
@@petersirota5124 i know man. wizk is top dmg with two people training him all game. he plays out of his mind. I just wish it wasn't all on wizk to push the class to the absolute limit every game. Pike is a monster rogue, and he does work. But this tournament we saw rogues almost solo people.
I hate to say it but Pika plays outlaw very sub optimally because he's not running weakauras. Nothing to do with his skill as a player, but outlaw is pretty much impossible to play at a high level without a bunch of WAs.
its obviously their favourite class ever since it came out. You dont even need to look at them always being broken as fuck in both pve and pvp, just look at how Blizzard is making others suffer so DH can be special. Goblin gliders disabled in raids ? yep, so DH glide can be unique. Warglaives of azzinoth being only DH transmog even tho its an iconic rogue weapon ? yep, so DH can be special. Removed metamorphosis from warlocks and butchered the class for 3 expansions ? yep, DH needed to be special.
@@andrecardoso6941 it has fun mobility but thats about it for me, its way too simple for me and gets boring after a bit, I dont think the 2 button spam is fun at all. It was obviously made with new players in mind tho which is not a bad thing.
@@Grumpypu Simple? You are playing it wrong, DH has a insane kit when played to it's fullest potential. "2 button spam" you have no argument, you just a troll on a bandwagon.
@@Kanoog bro, even with all my 123 macros on DH I barely come close to filling up my action bars, meanwhile on any other class I struggle to have any keybinds left, that alone just tells u a lot. Ofc DH has an insane kit, otherwise people wouldnt be complaining about it, but that doesnt make it hard.
the current tier set is an issue i am playing dh atm and the fact we can throw an empowered glaive in the same global we are Death sweeping which also is leaving a massive dot. all this from just the 2 set bonus
@@asseyl958 its called furious throws it throws a second glaive at the same time so two glaives and another talent (accelerated blade) that makes it hit harder depending on how many you previously hit. Greatly empowered, and all from 2 set and a few very easy to reach talents
The Druid did as much damage LOL what are you even talking about. Why would you go into a tournament with a rogue, it's like they slap you with pillows.
I averaged 8th in damage with a dh vengeance on Amirdrasil raid on bosses alone, low gear in a team of full mythic + chads. Kind felt weird to be honest. I played the standard wowhead build, with a Hekili rotation, on some add pulls i was doing 300k DPS on details unbuffed... DH is way to OP. I think it comes from scaling trinkets. I had a few with increase of power attack each proc cumulated. Scales really well...
@@cenciqt6045 you can like your own comments, it wont change the fact that you reacted on a piece of information, that i just gave to inform and joke about. Yet you needed to open your mouth and spit PVP like someone who read my comment would care.
@@IlEstLibreMaxOff you’re such an insecure weirdo. I didn’t like my comment. You’re the doofus talking about PvE on a PvP TH-cam channel on a video talking about the AWC Nobody gives af what you did on a tank spec that isn’t even played in PvP
man, the damage of outlaw and sub is funny they are like DPS classes near to healers' in damage meter and they still nerfed the ace up the sleeves last week. there is something wrong with their mindset about rogues and how they constantly do nerf it. and in front of that, there are classes like dh and locks and EVO healers who for 2 seasons are on a killing spree
props to Absterge for healing all that DH damage
I tried so hard, and got so far, but in the end…
😢
@@absterge it doesn't even matter... if you outplay them....
They win on sheer output, while also being crazy difficult to kill. Add that with spam ranged instant/AOE CC and S++ tier mobility, and you have the best spec in the game. I've been running into a ton of DH at 2100-2300 that are using rain from above and doing absurd dps, especially with a priest PI'ing them during it.
@@absterge ya watching the warcraft chat shit on you for being oom each game is so ignorant its insane. you did so good dude.
@@dolan5312 if it isn't DH it is Rogue, if it isn't Rogue it's Ret Rework ect ect ect ect for since Arena has been released. That's how the game is and will always be. It's simple really, if you hate it, don't play it.
@@absterge "It ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward."
A few specs seem 'bugged', i mostly heal and no one does any damage and then an assa rogue or dh appears and the entire screen is dead constantly and cant be topped. I was slamming some 2s the other day and beat a warrior r1 Legend streamer who had his 535 fyr'alath and then the game right after it was a rival 2 peak dh with green weapons and he ran down my rshaman in 3 minutes.
I feel like they messed up the scaling because its not even tier sets you can hop on your dh right now and just nail people with all green gear.
Existance played from russia apparently with 221ms even i dont even know how this guy kicks and pre defensiv stuff
shows how ezmode dh is
i mean... hes a rly good player, also they had to play with boomkin because thair main third - ret went to the restaurant to celebrate smth lol
I'm from Brazil, and our ms here is around 165. I'm pretty used to it, I don't even feel like I'm at a disadvantage
Tbh the latency delay in wow compared to a game like cs2 is wild. In cs2 with 220ms delay you’ll have a noticeable delay of at least 1.5-2 seconds but in wow 220 ms is almost instant if not half a second at most. I play on a west coast realm as an australian with 180-200ms and yea, wow actually has very good servers
people from OCE/Australia have been playing on 300ms for like 10 years before oce servers came out
6:50 had me ROLLING bro! 😆You are a god damn comedian sir.
9:32 LMAO, bro that shit was hilarious!
Dh is definitely strong but im not having too many issues with them on my warrior I notice that they usually out dps me by a bit. But warrior is getting buffed today.
Now that u picked DH and lost 3-0 how do u feel about it ? i mean about the dh
7:00 lmfaoooo my boys locked in
14:23
pika: i wont let it happen.
*15 seconds into the opener healer gets stunned into clone*
Raiku apparently didn't get the memo about being OP
The fact that carl held out as long as he did in those games is crazyyy. He was pumping
felicidades por el 2do lugar en la copa buenas jugadas
Should’ve seen the ww monk on eu DELETING dh’s 😂
EU players just built different
Yeah windwalker and DH are both disgusting filthy specs
Once I rolled a 1 on DBW two weeks in a row.
Editing ftw
6:30 unironically yes
they messed up rogue in the patch i put my on the bench
6:50 10/10 Ed.
The pros aint ready for this
those rolls 😭😭😭
Yo bro always use Essence break in demon form and use deathsweep unless your target has 1 hp. Cancel eye beam cast and essence break combo. Dont try too hard to fully channel eye beam
LOL u giving advice to him is comical
@@ScottJenkins-dt2jw ROFL your whole existence is comical
Song at 15:30?
After that outlaw got nerf xd
It’s been awhile since I’ve watched, but pika content just hits the spot. Thanks for a good laugh.
I was finding it pretty hard to believe existance had over 200 ping and he would do these crazy encaps that would totally eff someone over at the EXACT moment
The problem with DH is the same as Ret, and WW. They pretty much get free cleave damage just from doing their single target rotation. A DH's rotation to do this damage does not mean they are doing less single target damage to their kill target. This is single target, they just happen to all be AoE also. This is on top of their insane toolkit they already have access to.
The amount of ui addons in modern wow pvp is absolutely crazy. Between that and the all the pets just a visual nightmare.
indeed
weird to comment this on pika when he uses default besides what gladius omnibar/omnicd and details but go off.
Boo hoo
Dude uses less than 5 total addons
Nothing against pika, he's awesome. Love his content and personality, it's why I'm here. Having to get information from everywhere BUT the actual graphics because of visual clutter is awful. If you don't understand that point, I don't think you'd understand anything else I say.
DH burst makes no sense, sometimes my deathsweep hits for 70k but sometimes it will hit for over 200k. the other day i hit a boomie for 263k hunt into 248k death sweep and into 100k annilhation all within 2 seconds. pvp is such a gamble game
That's retail in general. Back when I played last month, I'd get 400k ferocious bites and sometimes it would hit for 90k. The stars (buffs) need to align for you to do damage. It's pretty lame.
You have no idea how the game works it seems
you should try wizk boomy and ceralium at least 1 game and take the rog out to see if that comp could take dh away
One of the bugs of DH since the start of season 3 is that whenever they use two of their glaive-throws and blade dance they throw a 3rd one, which provokes a longer dot and more cdr on the hunt which should be fixed tbh. Cheers on the 2nd place tho Pika keep it up!
That's ehm.. what the tier is suppose to do..
DH untouched and boom buffed in the next balance patch... of course. Blizz being Blizz.
Boomkin's have been untouched S tier for over a entire year and people just cry about DH or Rogue or anything else that is FoM at the time.
This music is wild lol
Was rough watching that happen man :( was rooting for you guys! But yea the demon hunter was doing double sometimes triple your dps…
Editing was prime
the 2600 engage as a dh legit ^^
I was thinking of going to complain to blizz about why my 13k skill does 3k dmg, then i actually read the text fully, damage over time
I'm a DH main-2.500. I noticed you didn't use your Chaos Nova so many times when you could have been stunning 2+ people, and also, you need to use darkness and blur more proactively, but good job!
Let's see more of you and aeghis in 2s and 3s.
NOW PLZ!!
usually wizk is the guy who is pumping but this time dh was insane^^
😈
bro what happened to the intro
arena is such a mess
9:34 xDDDDDDDDD
Aaaaand they dodged the nerfs lolllll
I roll that bad multiple times per lockout brother
i already knew that DH was going to make the tourny instantly less fun to watch. it's like watching MDI and seeing every team with a DH tank every season.
I'd so much rather watch DH than all these zzz rogue caster mirrors.
72% mastery, you sure for pvp its not better to have higher crit so you get more of those good luck streaks, maybe get easier kills more often?
i love dh
this guy does comedy gold
"Copied Whazz and lost - its prolly because of him that we lost."
Try playing warrior from panda to dragon
Go
Monk
Didn’t you guys wreck Dipi on ladder as Assa/Aff/Rsham?
DH is for sure busted. Playing in 2200 shuffles they’re just absolutely cracked. No peeling or anything stops them.
i had few games against sh as affliction lock yesterday. ez games man i thought dh was nefd hard to? suprised to hear this
If you ain't 1st your last 🤣🤘
@6:30 MIN YES id prefer to log in and win evrey game hahahaha
dh got slaughtered in the eu final
gg
I wanted to see assn rps
With cold blood kingsbane, but now it's ded. 🙄
If you cant beat em, join em. Pika its time to reroll purple rogue.
Still waiting for rogue nerfs 😅
im high right now
Ok thats cringe
just has to get on yt to let everyone know. so cool man. I remember when I was ten and got high for the first time.
Oh how times have changed. "If we are not playing rogue, we don't have a chance"
Welcome to the other end of the stick Pika!
Maybe you should try Plunderstorm... just fly with parrot and bomb some normals on Azeroth. Don't try Elitez them too hardz.
pikaboo bottom of the dmg meter as outlaw every game. not saying it cost them the game, but it was wild to see him top the meter as assass
He dont playing OW for pump, but for control.
Hes playing Outlaw for more control of the group rather than the dam it bringe, he probably isnt maximizing his rotation while trying to get so much control
@@petersirota5124 thats fair, and i completely understand that. its still frustrating to watch other rogues getting CDs from targets by doing way more output, so we know what the spec can do.
@@Torresgamingchannel Yea but Pika playing around Wizk. Look how insane dmg he can do with Sp.
@@petersirota5124 i know man. wizk is top dmg with two people training him all game. he plays out of his mind. I just wish it wasn't all on wizk to push the class to the absolute limit every game. Pike is a monster rogue, and he does work. But this tournament we saw rogues almost solo people.
DH has been busted since shadowlands
I hate to say it but Pika plays outlaw very sub optimally because he's not running weakauras. Nothing to do with his skill as a player, but outlaw is pretty much impossible to play at a high level without a bunch of WAs.
And they still didn’t nerf them after months of casuals, sweats, and pros have complained about DH. Blizzard is so ass backwards.
its obviously their favourite class ever since it came out. You dont even need to look at them always being broken as fuck in both pve and pvp, just look at how Blizzard is making others suffer so DH can be special. Goblin gliders disabled in raids ? yep, so DH glide can be unique. Warglaives of azzinoth being only DH transmog even tho its an iconic rogue weapon ? yep, so DH can be special. Removed metamorphosis from warlocks and butchered the class for 3 expansions ? yep, DH needed to be special.
@@Grumpypu I mean I don't even main DH but you gotta admit it's the most fun class to play ever. But yea they are way too overtuned.
@@andrecardoso6941 it has fun mobility but thats about it for me, its way too simple for me and gets boring after a bit, I dont think the 2 button spam is fun at all. It was obviously made with new players in mind tho which is not a bad thing.
@@Grumpypu Simple? You are playing it wrong, DH has a insane kit when played to it's fullest potential. "2 button spam" you have no argument, you just a troll on a bandwagon.
@@Kanoog bro, even with all my 123 macros on DH I barely come close to filling up my action bars, meanwhile on any other class I struggle to have any keybinds left, that alone just tells u a lot. Ofc DH has an insane kit, otherwise people wouldnt be complaining about it, but that doesnt make it hard.
12:37
“Woah 😂😂 its crazy I haven’t logged on in mon-“
“Paladin carried? 😐😐😐😐😐😐 aight bet”
tbh since day 1 dh has been broken in pvp and N1.
I'm confused at how such a good wow player is just figuring out now that DH is broken af like it's new info lol
Finally switching comps I see
To be honest pekaboo dmg seems kinda low.
this dh have 270 ping btw
dh is getting fat nerfs tomorrow
Ww monk same shit
Le Pomp just play the most broken stuff every szn lol. Didn't they play ret/war/fw last awc?
the current tier set is an issue i am playing dh atm and the fact we can throw an empowered glaive in the same global we are Death sweeping which also is leaving a massive dot. all this from just the 2 set bonus
shh, it's good to be broken and op for once
@@koligan1234 For ONCE?!
@@koligan1234Dh is op since they add it to wow. Wtf are you talking? XD
Empowered glaive ?
@@asseyl958 its called furious throws it throws a second glaive at the same time so two glaives and another talent (accelerated blade) that makes it hit harder depending on how many you previously hit. Greatly empowered, and all from 2 set and a few very easy to reach talents
where is Jelly?
spawn in at 2600 😂😂 baseline
Love you
Wow devs play DH my guy.
Get used to it.
imagine posting a 2/6
Who plays a rogue in the state they are on LOL
The problem isn't you playing Rogue the problem is Wizk playing SP lol
The Druid did as much damage LOL what are you even talking about. Why would you go into a tournament with a rogue, it's like they slap you with pillows.
WW isn't countering DH, lol
his spec i not broken for the first time in 15 years now he is complaining
Check their dispels, dots won’t stick. That’s why it’s harder to kill them with your team.
nah ur just bad existance is hella good
DH is strong but its more a problem of you guys not adapting your strategy to deal with the DH which appears to be a common theme among WoW players.
Clown.
can u roast absterge for his ridic. thumbnails of his face lol
plenty of other classes doing just as much if not more than DH currently
Ed the Editor and Shaman is epic 😎👌 He produces quality stuff
I averaged 8th in damage with a dh vengeance on Amirdrasil raid on bosses alone, low gear in a team of full mythic + chads. Kind felt weird to be honest. I played the standard wowhead build, with a Hekili rotation, on some add pulls i was doing 300k DPS on details unbuffed... DH is way to OP. I think it comes from scaling trinkets. I had a few with increase of power attack each proc cumulated. Scales really well...
literally none of this matters in pvp
@@cenciqt6045 who cares about pvp
@@IlEstLibreMaxOff do you understand what TH-cam channel you’re on???
@@cenciqt6045 you can like your own comments, it wont change the fact that you reacted on a piece of information, that i just gave to inform and joke about. Yet you needed to open your mouth and spit PVP like someone who read my comment would care.
@@IlEstLibreMaxOff you’re such an insecure weirdo. I didn’t like my comment. You’re the doofus talking about PvE on a PvP TH-cam channel on a video talking about the AWC
Nobody gives af what you did on a tank spec that isn’t even played in PvP
better learn ww
You play rogue bro talk about op bugged overpowered class
not to be that guy but why are you have your fingers inside your nose for the entire video ? lol.
man, the damage of outlaw and sub is funny they are like DPS classes near to healers' in damage meter and they still nerfed the ace up the sleeves last week. there is something wrong with their mindset about rogues and how they constantly do nerf it. and in front of that, there are classes like dh and locks and EVO healers who for 2 seasons are on a killing spree