I really don't know what to those Europeans were using when making music, but I want some. The Follins, Jeroen Tel, Martin Galway, Mark Cooksey, Alberto Gonzalez, Rob Hubbard, Chris Hülsbeck, and so forth. The Japanese were amazing, but the Europeans took the concept of amazing music to a whole other level.
Great soundtrack! Although most people in the comments are talking about Tim Follin, we can't forget his brother Geoff, he played a big part in the composition here too. Edit as of 2024-06-07: Very sad to hear of Geoff's passing; May what I said stand true - we cannot forget the legacy he fulfilled with Tim. R.I.P. Geoff you're well missed : [
A few observations -Clearly Stage 1 was (will be?)somehow composed in the year 3744 A.D. -Stage 2 is basically a nightclub remix of two seperate songs linked with a DJ style drum interlude. -The music definitely conveys the sense of being an intergalctic, immortal, metallic skinned, evidently naked, space lord on a surfboard, and indeed it does that very, very well.
I wonder what would the people who designed the NES sound chip would think if they listen to this. Probably not even they thought the hardware was capable of producing such amazing soundtrack.
The hardware generating that wave only has 4 bits of resolution, that's only 16 values (count them!), so you can clearly see the steps. wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/APU#Triangle_.28.244008-400B.29
i’m fairly certain that it’s affecting the sound, it appears to be a more extreme version of the ramping up/down of the pulse and noise channels. i’m not sure why it happens, but i wish i knew (edit: i now understand, its caused by a high pass filter)
@SArpnt Your eyes don't deceive you: the NES' triangle wave is indeed shaped like a shark fin due to asymmetrical rise and fall. This and the aliasing caused by the stepping is what gives the NES's triangle a distinct and easily identifiable sound.
Nope. Time Follin did the entire soundtrack using only the two rectangle waves, the triangle, and the noise channel, combining the triangle and noise channels to generate a rich drum set. It's... unbelievably good NES sequencing, literally the best I've ever heard, and I've done a lot of time in the Chiptune scene.
Noticed how he uses arpeggios not just by changing pitch but often also by only changing waveforms. And how he makes an echo effect using a single channel by quickly lowering pitch of a note.
@@WhoLover Arpeggios, in the case of 8-bit music and chiptunes, rapidly vary the tone played in a sequence. An example I could think of right now is the intro of the C64 port of Second Reality. It's very recognizable. (In "real" music they refer to the same thing of playing chord tones separately, but in much more general ways.) As for what an octave is, I think you already know. An increase by one octave means a doubling in the frequency.
@@DelayRGC Follin is essentially the god of arpeggios in chiptune. He used this trick in almost ALL of his chiptune OSTs. And his brother Geoff actually followed suit.
@@RedTsarOldChannel-INACTIVE Also Ben Daglish and Anthony Crowther (Ben & Ratt from W.E.M.U.S.I.C) made a lot of arpeggios to hide the 3-sounds only C64 limitation.
Never heard this before but the opening track is sprinkled with the Follin genius. Still listening. Stage music 1. My socks have just been blown off. Am I right in thinking the Nes sound chip is fairly similar to the C64 SID?
the SID has three channels: each one can be a pulse, saw, triangle, noise, or some combination thereof. It also comes with a filter that any channel can pass through. the NES has five channels: two pulse, one triangle, one noise, and one sample.
@@NEStalgia those only came in certain games though, and they were inside the cartridge, not in the console itself. most games didn't use any extra chips, including silver surfer. imagine what the follins could do with an extra sound chip!
i believe the horizontal parts are the data of the triangle wave that isn't played. I could be wrong but i remember triangle waves not looking like pyramids XD
@@radrolla3406 NES couldn't make a perfect triangle waves, so it made one in 16 vertical steps. Yeah it's not a true triangle and if you listen closely you can hear a higher pitch coming from it that isn't there in a perfect triangle. This video explains it more th-cam.com/video/8RrQrATnXXY/w-d-xo.html
@Gellért Borsay It was from the AVGN review of the game. One thing that sucked about the game is that you couldn't tell what was part of the background and what was in the foreground. The AVGN episode is worth watching.
I’m seeing noise as well as sin and square waves (I think), but where is the triangle channel? Maybe someone with a better understanding of NES audio output can help me out?
@doopdee it's very similar to a few different early funk tunes. Notably it reminds me of Herbie Hancock's Watermelon Man, with a tinge of Chameleon thrown in there.
Someone NEEDS to do a channel by channel deconstruction of this (and Tim Follin's NES music in general) so we can break down how they all work, especially in regards to the triangle and noise channels.
You know what I hate? That some guy can learn digital production and buy a bunch of physical modelled instruments to make a real orchestra at home.... but they can't IN THEIR LIFE, make something this creative. Hollow knight's soundtrack sucks.
The magic of old game music comes from limitations. Modern composers have so many tools in their hands but can't recreate music like this. I mean, listen to modern pop "music", it's shit.
A modern musician who has so many tools to build an orchestra at home but can't make creative music. They're human, so they're a little better. Soon, the era will come when AI musicians will rage. AI will fill the world with golden shit, selecting only the most popular and selling elements of the catchy but shitty music that modern musicians have accumulated. The scary thing is that the new generation that will be born in the future will accept without any resistance the images, characters, paintings and music that are composed only of imitations created by AI. Just as the use of the Internet and smartphones has been the norm since the young people of today were born, For them, the world created by AI is natural. In such an era, human creators, genius or not, can no longer compete with AI. EDIT: Maybe post-AI generations can't logically understand when they listen to Tim and Geoff Follin's music whether it's the creation of human genius or AI-created golden shit It is even possible. : end of editing But we do know some great music created by human geniuses who have overcome their limitations. We have no choice but to think of it as the highest honor as a human being that only the generation that knows the pre-AI era can get.
Maybe part of one of Tim Follin's other pieces, the title theme for "Solstice"? Though I know that's inspired by another prog-rock song, I forget which.
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Many people could make the NES sing, but Tim Follin knew how to make it dance
Tim made it sing the language of gods
Yes
When you really wanna be in a prog rock band but the only instrument you play is the NES.
Tim & Geoff Follin, David Wise and Rob Hubbard:
*this* *looks* *like* *a* *job* *to* *me-*
@@RedTsarOldChannel-INACTIVEthey are the kings of 80's game music
Tim played the lute IIRC.
Rest in peace Geoff, you'll be missed.
Geoff, your legacy will forever live on in the hearts and minds of millions. Love from Earth
It's amazing that a game with such horrid gameplay can have such an amazing soundtrack. Very few chiptune composers could ever match Tim Follin.
I love this game.
I really don't know what to those Europeans were using when making music, but I want some.
The Follins, Jeroen Tel, Martin Galway, Mark Cooksey, Alberto Gonzalez, Rob Hubbard, Chris Hülsbeck, and so forth.
The Japanese were amazing, but the Europeans took the concept of amazing music to a whole other level.
@netunof Source?
@@RedTsarOldChannel-INACTIVE what about geoff....
@@boingledink4332
"And so forth"
Geoff was a genius and actually, Tim would not be as good as he is without him.
Great soundtrack! Although most people in the comments are talking about Tim Follin, we can't forget his brother Geoff, he played a big part in the composition here too.
Edit as of 2024-06-07: Very sad to hear of Geoff's passing; May what I said stand true - we cannot forget the legacy he fulfilled with Tim. R.I.P. Geoff you're well missed : [
Ironic I clicked on this video the day he passed away.
A few observations
-Clearly Stage 1 was (will be?)somehow composed in the year 3744 A.D.
-Stage 2 is basically a nightclub remix of two seperate songs linked with a DJ style drum interlude.
-The music definitely conveys the sense of being an intergalctic, immortal, metallic skinned, evidently naked, space lord on a surfboard, and indeed it does that very, very well.
I don't think humans are meant to obtain this knowledge
Not from a Jedi...
Even modern chip tune artists can’t ever match the absolute power those snares have
Looks like the triangle momentarily jumps to add a bass layer during each snare hit on the noise channel
@@excellent_tea wow
Geoff Follin and his bro could really make the nes sing even only just using 4 of the 5 channels of the NES dual sound system (APU).
This is a legendary NES soundtrack -- probably the best ever made.
agreed
So cool how the triangle wave has those little "stairs" that give it that awesome treble tone
Ah, that's due to technical limitations on the music chip. They all have that.
@@Dubanx Yep
yeah thats what makes it work as a bass, perfect triangles with no steps don't really work as basses unlike 2a03 triangles
@@SPCOOKIE Yeah. I see people using triangle bass on c64 sometimes and even with my bassy headphones it's just not audible enough
Yeah
I wonder what would the people who designed the NES sound chip would think if they listen to this. Probably not even they thought the hardware was capable of producing such amazing soundtrack.
Rest in peace King
Why's the triangle wave so funky? It almost looks like a sawtooth.
The NES uses a special counter to generate the triangle wave, hence why it has steps on it.
The hardware generating that wave only has 4 bits of resolution, that's only 16 values (count them!), so you can clearly see the steps.
wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/APU#Triangle_.28.244008-400B.29
Interesting stuff! I guess that explains why it sounds kinda different from a real triangle wave like you'd hear on onlinetonegenerator.com/
i’m fairly certain that it’s affecting the sound, it appears to be a more extreme version of the ramping up/down of the pulse and noise channels. i’m not sure why it happens, but i wish i knew
(edit: i now understand, its caused by a high pass filter)
@SArpnt Your eyes don't deceive you: the NES' triangle wave is indeed shaped like a shark fin due to asymmetrical rise and fall. This and the aliasing caused by the stepping is what gives the NES's triangle a distinct and easily identifiable sound.
Did Tom Follin not use DPCM samples for the soundtrack?
Nope. Time Follin did the entire soundtrack using only the two rectangle waves, the triangle, and the noise channel, combining the triangle and noise channels to generate a rich drum set. It's... unbelievably good NES sequencing, literally the best I've ever heard, and I've done a lot of time in the Chiptune scene.
No, they decided to not use it as doing so will waste cartridge space.
@@TheGreatGario The rectangle channels are pulse waves
DPCM actually would have messed with the triangle, eaten up a LOT of space, and it also fucks with the controller inputs.
@@BottomOfTheDumpsterFire Sunsoft used the DPCM as the BASS in Batman: ROTJ & Gimmick!
Tim/Geoff: "Look mum, no sample channel/enhancement chips!"
Speedrunner: "Look mum, no turbo controller!"
Noticed how he uses arpeggios not just by changing pitch but often also by only changing waveforms.
And how he makes an echo effect using a single channel by quickly lowering pitch of a note.
This guy's insane. In some songs he makes jumps by as much as 4 octaves(!) in the arpeggios!
Mind explaining what that means? Lol (for those of us that are uninitiated)
@@WhoLover Arpeggios, in the case of 8-bit music and chiptunes, rapidly vary the tone played in a sequence. An example I could think of right now is the intro of the C64 port of Second Reality. It's very recognizable.
(In "real" music they refer to the same thing of playing chord tones separately, but in much more general ways.)
As for what an octave is, I think you already know. An increase by one octave means a doubling in the frequency.
@@DelayRGC thanks man! Beautifully explained :)
@@DelayRGC
Follin is essentially the god of arpeggios in chiptune.
He used this trick in almost ALL of his chiptune OSTs.
And his brother Geoff actually followed suit.
@@RedTsarOldChannel-INACTIVE Also Ben Daglish and Anthony Crowther (Ben & Ratt from W.E.M.U.S.I.C) made a lot of arpeggios to hide the 3-sounds only C64 limitation.
When the oscilloscope view feels like a modern demo on an old computer
S-tier soundtrack
2:54 always reminds me of the final battle music from Bowser's Inside Story
Tim was way ahead of his time on limited hardware.
im gonna quote a comment i saw that got deleted
"how did such a bad game get such a good soundtrack"
Okay so, your profile picture is seriously freaking me out
@@theallknowingsause8940 ok
Such a good soundtrack wasted on such a bad game
Best.sound chip composer
This soundtrack is fking phenomenal.
Music so good it probably helped people play this game
*I* *C A N ‘ T* *T O U C H* *T H E* *R E D*
*P O T ! ? ! ?* >:(
The entire budget went to making banger soundtracks, instead enhancing the gameplay.
Biblically-accurate waveforms
Awesomeness
if we make first contact with aliens i say these are the frequencies we send them first
People named Geoff can be badasses too
This is easily one of the best Nintendo soundtracks maybe ever
This game and Skate Or Die 2
Never heard this before but the opening track is sprinkled with the Follin genius.
Still listening. Stage music 1. My socks have just been blown off.
Am I right in thinking the Nes sound chip is fairly similar to the C64 SID?
the C64 has much more possible variety in sound textures, the SID has some insane capabilities, even though it is limited to only 3 channels
the SID has three channels: each one can be a pulse, saw, triangle, noise, or some combination thereof. It also comes with a filter that any channel can pass through. the NES has five channels: two pulse, one triangle, one noise, and one sample.
@@binguloid It's also important to mention one of the NES's extra chips, such as Konami's VRC6, with +2 pulses and 1 sawtooth
@@NEStalgia those only came in certain games though, and they were inside the cartridge, not in the console itself. most games didn't use any extra chips, including silver surfer. imagine what the follins could do with an extra sound chip!
@@saltedmutton7269 It'd be mind-blowing
Interesting, never seen a triangle wave that looks like that
i believe the horizontal parts are the data of the triangle wave that isn't played. I could be wrong but i remember triangle waves not looking like pyramids XD
@@radrolla3406 NES couldn't make a perfect triangle waves, so it made one in 16 vertical steps. Yeah it's not a true triangle and if you listen closely you can hear a higher pitch coming from it that isn't there in a perfect triangle. This video explains it more
th-cam.com/video/8RrQrATnXXY/w-d-xo.html
@@paulblart7378 thx fam, that makes sense now that i think about it
sounds like keygen
The Soundtrack of The Power Cosmic itself.
I CANT TOUCH THAT RED POT?
@Gellért Borsay It was from the AVGN review of the game. One thing that sucked about the game is that you couldn't tell what was part of the background and what was in the foreground. The AVGN episode is worth watching.
Silver surfer.... MORE LIKE SILVER SHIT!
You can.
AVGN just got hit by an falling obstacle.
@@fuzz11111111
*_"HE LOOKS SO STUPID!_* I mean, what the hell's wrong with him?! He's like......like......" 😠
(Imitates title screen pose)
"You die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, *DIE!"*
(Imitates Silver Surfer's defeat pose)
_"Oh God, I can't fuckin' stand it..."_ 😣
I’m seeing noise as well as sin and square waves (I think), but where is the triangle channel? Maybe someone with a better understanding of NES audio output can help me out?
The triangle channel is the third channel down.
@@acrouzet Ah thanks, makes sense. Thought I was seeing a sine wave.
Vikrinox its not a hardware bug, it’s caused by a high pass filter
@Juguertox I don't see anything disrespectful about what he did
@Juguertox Because some people can't see humor just through text, it's different in person
Is this a video game soundtrack or a tech demo?
It's the soundtrack for the NES game "Silver Surfer".
The tech demo came with a free game!
Yes
@@gaymothaunt unironically
@@deprecated8036 To be fair a really, really bad game, but still a game!
3:46 this part really looks like how it sounds
"Alright, this is Silver Surfer... Silver Shit."
OMG, I can see the funk!
Now these are some solid chip tune tracks.
"Solid" is a extreme understatement
5:15
7:15 That sounds familiar.
@doopdee it's very similar to a few different early funk tunes. Notably it reminds me of Herbie Hancock's Watermelon Man, with a tinge of Chameleon thrown in there.
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Someone NEEDS to do a channel by channel deconstruction of this (and Tim Follin's NES music in general) so we can break down how they all work, especially in regards to the triangle and noise channels.
omg the high score theme
Me at 0:40 *jamming, looks at bottom left* "WHAT, THIS IS A TITLE SCREEN THEME?!"
Sector Upsilon 6
A creatively crafted sound chip driver routine takes you anywhere.
He wasn't using a driver
he was
5:15
5:23
Nice
Wow!
You know what I hate? That some guy can learn digital production and buy a bunch of physical modelled instruments to make a real orchestra at home.... but they can't IN THEIR LIFE, make something this creative. Hollow knight's soundtrack sucks.
The magic of old game music comes from limitations. Modern composers have so many tools in their hands but can't recreate music like this. I mean, listen to modern pop "music", it's shit.
A modern musician who has so many tools to build an orchestra at home but can't make creative music.
They're human, so they're a little better.
Soon, the era will come when AI musicians will rage. AI will fill the world with golden shit, selecting only the most popular and selling elements of the catchy but shitty music that modern musicians have accumulated.
The scary thing is that the new generation that will be born in the future will accept without any resistance the images, characters, paintings and music that are composed only of imitations created by AI. Just as the use of the Internet and smartphones has been the norm since the young people of today were born,
For them, the world created by AI is natural. In such an era, human creators, genius or not, can no longer compete with AI.
EDIT: Maybe post-AI generations can't logically understand when they listen to Tim and Geoff Follin's music whether it's the creation of human genius or AI-created golden shit It is even possible. : end of editing
But we do know some great music created by human geniuses who have overcome their limitations. We have no choice but to think of it as the highest honor as a human being that only the generation that knows the pre-AI era can get.
@@paulblart7378 That's exactly it! Very well said👏
Try 0.25 times
5:20 fuck
What on earth does 2:03 remind me of???
Maybe part of one of Tim Follin's other pieces, the title theme for "Solstice"? Though I know that's inspired by another prog-rock song, I forget which.