I have a little chunk of a C-5 NLG door that was dragged along the runway at Rhein-Main Air Base in Frankfurt, Germany back in the '80s. I was the supervisor of the crash recovery team that responded to a Fred that had gotten the nose gear only partly extended when it got stuck. Because of the *ahem* "reliability" of the gear extension system, I'd heard this was not an unknown event. When we cleaned up the runway I pocketed the souvenir. A few years later when I was stationed at RAF Woodbridge in the UK, my crash recovery team got called out for another Fred with a unique problem. It was parked on the helo ramp. Parked, as in, not moving/flying. I'd seen it out there earlier in the day when the helo guys were loading one of their MH-53's on it. I thought Job Control was just trying to f*ck with us when they called for a crash recovery. Turned out, the "crash" was on a -53 INSIDE the Fred! Not something you see every day. As part of the procedure to shoehorn a -53 into the cargo bay of a C-5 (the helo has literally one inch to spare at the top of the rotor hub) they have to deflate the helo's nose gear strut, remove the normal nose wheels, and install smaller diameter metal "skate board wheels" to get the needed one inch of clearance. Then, once its inside the cargo bay, they re-inflate the nose gear strut for the flight to wherever. So far, so good. Except...the AGE driver who brought out the air compressor unit had been asked to deliver an MC-11 low pressure unit. For unknown reasons, he had actually delivered an MC-1A high pressure, high flow unit. Ooops. And so, the holes in the swiss cheese began to line up. The young'un Crew Chief who was working on the strut asked one of the other helo guys to start up the compressor and standby to shoot him some air while he dragged the air hose inside the Fred. The unsuspecting crew chief manning the strut valve yelled "Gimme some air!" "OK" As soon as the crew chief opened the valve, he got high-flow compressed air at 2,000psi...instantly drove the skate board wheels and strut piston completely through the cargo floor of the poor Fred. Oh, shit. Swiss cheese hole alignment complete. "What the f*ck do we do now?" "I know...call the crash recovery guys, they can fix anything!" Right. After we stopped laughing our asses off (not appreciated by the helo guys...) we did use a lifting bag to extract the nose gear strut out of the new access port in the cargo floor, put a couple layers of 3/4" plywood decking over the hole and the mission went its merry way. As far as I know that was the only time in aviation history that crash recovery got activated for a crash inside another aircraft.
I spent 7 years on C-130s, the C-5’s little brother. The first 4 years in the Regular Air Force, as Crew Chief, Area Chief in the Phase Inspection Dock, and Assistant Crew Chief. Then 3 years in the AF Reserves as a Flight Engineer. The C-130 took me all over the world. The C-130s are still being built today. I can remember when the C-5 first came out. One came to where I was based in West Texas to test and practice landings and takeoffs on our PSP over dirt strip. On its first landing it tore up the PSP. So the test landing was a failure and there was no practice. If I remember correctly the only damage to the aircraft was some cut tires. It stayed for a few days and we got to get a look inside and walk around the outside. What an awesome aircraft!!!
I was deployed to Palmerola Air Base (now Soto Cano), Honduras in 1987 (maybe 1988). A C-5 had landed with supplies and was going to RON. It was parked on a dirt apron, but it had rained a few days earlier. In the morning, the main landing gear had sunk into the softened dirt, and the aircraft was stuck. Several aircraft came in with an assortment of jacks to get the C-5 lifted, dirt was filled underneath, and Marston Mats were laid to get the C-5 back to the taxiway. It was a fascinating project to watch.
My dad was a pilot he flew one of the 1st 3 C-141's into McChord. We were transferred to Dover and I remember when I was in Boy Scouts we'd hike around the runway and the C-5's would take off super loud and tons of smoke, super cool for a 14 year old! 🙂
I saw your dad fly into McChord ! I grew up right by the base. My hobby was plane watching there. I remember specifically when they flew in. The C-124s were still there.
My father took me out to McChord AFB to see the first C-141 arrive there. Replacing the venerable C-154 Globemaster II. I grew up in Lakewood and spent many summer days riding my bike out to the runway overlook to watch all sorts of aircraft fly in and out. At the age of about 12-13, I was technically arrested for getting too close to the F-106 flight-line. I wanted to see the VMFA-323 (Death Rattlers) F-4 Phantoms from El Toro which had arrived to fly dissimilar air to air combat training the 318th's (Green Dragons) F-106 Delta Darts. I was in a safe area, but one of the MPs saw me writing down tail numbers and called me to come over to him, which then placed me in the restricted zone. Before I knew what was happening a blue dodge extra cab pickup truck with more MPs pulled up, they threw by 10-speed in the bed and me in the back seat. They then raced me to the HQ building for interrogation. It was like out of a movie! Sitting at a cold metal table in a room with the big two-way mirror on the wall and one very bright light in my face. This guy in uniform began asking me why I was in a restricted zone and I tried to explain. I had several F-4 Phantom books at home, and I wanted to see if I could identify the exact same jets in my books based on the tail numbers. (Which I later did!) He very bluntly stated "There are no Phantoms based here"! I tried to explain that I knew very well VFMA-323 F-4's were not based here at McChord, but they had flown up from El Toro to train with the 318th. He continued to insist very admittedly there were no F-4's based at McChord, and I continued to insist I knew that, but they were there all the same! I remember as a rather young kid at the time, I found it troubling that this grown man did not know what was happening at his own base! Looking back, he may have not known Phantoms were there and why, but more likely he just did not want to admit it to me. During my interrogation they had called my dad. After about 30 minutes of this back and forth my father finally stormed in and read them the riot act! He was a Major at the time getting close to retirement. I assume he outranked them, but who knows. So at the end of it all I was instructed by The Airforce that I was 86'ed from the base and no longer welcome. However, they did not confiscate my ID, so within a week or so I was right back out there watching the Jets! Not too long ago I read an article about the whole origin of why the Phantoms were there, and the name of the Airforce General who realized the value of dissimilar air combat training between the different service branches and their aircraft. I believe this was the very first time it had been put into practice and it was a big success. I think the same VFMA-323 Phantoms were there again the next year, and perhaps again a year after that.
@@AFluffyBunny4 I grew up on AF bases and the Air Police and I didnt get along at all. Did you ge to Tyee Park? Did you see the C-141 burnt up on the tarmac? I was 13 or so and My dad was a Major about that time. My dad flew the new C-141's then after a few years he trained to fly the AC-119 then flew to VN in 69. He came back and we transferred to Dover DE.
I remember the first time I saw a C-5. I went to Yokota to collect some equipment that had just arrived on a C-5. I was used to seeing a line of C-141s, and had ridden on them a few times. I was always impressed by their size. Well, that day the C-5 was parked in the middle of the C-141s. When I came around the corner I stopped dead in my tracks. Holy $hit! It looked like the 141s were little chicks and mom had just shown up. Hard to believe something that big could fly.
I still remember the first time I went out to a C-5 and looked up the crew entry ladder then down at my tool box, thinking “they want me to carry this up THAT?!”
The incident over Diego was and probably still is used as training aircrews about good coordination and communication in the cockpit. It's amazing that thing isn't an artificial reef now off of the island. I was told it sat at Diego for quite some time undergoing inspections and repairs before they flew it home. Big airplanes aren't meant to stall and pull the Gs that thing did.
My father retired an E-8 crew chief on C-5's in Dover Del in 1974. He would take us as kids to work now and then and we would slide on the load rollers from one end to the other. Surprised we didn't break our necks but it was a different time.
I live next to Ft Bragg and occasionally we get to see one of these beauties flying in or out. I got to see one on final coming in to Pope AAF one day and it looked like it was just hanging in the air. Such a great platform. Very nice video. Thank you.
Funny you should call Ft Liberty Ft Bragg when Pope AAF was at the same time called Pope AFB. Brother In Law was stationed there when it was Pope AFB in the 70s.
I witnessed the arrival of this aircraft at Charleston AFB back in the day. What a magnificent experience. As I recall, it was flown by General Jack Catton, then the MAC Commander - and yes, upon landing, one of its wheels separated from an axel.
About 2 days after that somewhat embarrassing mishap, I saw the quick fix. On each axle a bolt (~3/16” by the diameter of the castellated axle wheel nut) had been added to prevent unintended backing off. Not sure if this became the production fix. Lockheed-Georga test engineer during the early C-5 days.
I was an air freight specialist at Travis AFB in 1970 when the C5A was put into service. This aircraft had tons of problems. We would spend hours loading this aircraft the have to unload it because of problems with aircraft. This aircraft has designed to “squat” or lower itself for loading. When loaded, the plane was often not able to raise itself up to service height. We would have to offload the aircraft, the aircraft would then be raised and we would reload the plane. But, now we were working 30 feet of the ground. No safety harnesses, no nothin. The hydraulics in the aircraft were so loud and others had hearing loose from time to time spent on that aircraft.
I started working them in 1980. There have been a lot of improvements since then. It is still a maintenance challenge but a much better plane than you worked
What a damn shame. Along with the plane tags, at least there's still some intact airframes in Arizona. This might buy some time to find a spot closer to the flight line for preservation. The C5 was my favorite aircraft in the USAF.
Any idea what year they took off the rear ramp section and moved it to OK? Several years ago, I was working at a Sheriff's Office in the middle of KS and a semi came through hauling the rear section of a C-5. The truck needed to refuel at a local truck stop and we were doing traffic control for them. The crew said they were taking it to OK to be used for training. I may have some photos floating around somewhere....
I was glad to see this wasn't just a careless chop it up and get rid of it. They looked at a lot of options and continued to use every part they could find for other planes or projects.
I was stationed at Travis AFB from June 1969 to August 1971 and saw the arrival of the first C-5 assigned to the 60th MAW. The C-5s replaced the C-133 Cargomasters in the USAF.
I flew on 70-0451 as a flight engineer at Westover ARB. Which was the last base to operate 451. It was my last A model I flew on before I converted to fly/train on the M model. On my C5 page I have videos of inflight footage of 451 flying inflight. Thanks for posting! th-cam.com/video/X8SPfPynZ3U/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EMvRJ6c8rx2LxNUJ
@ The base was built for Ww2, during the Cold War had B52. Half of the C5 fleet went to Dover years ago. Now I believe they have been activated and just grateful the base is active for what it does financially for this area.
Very sad to see this. What’s even more sad is loosing the only one of one ocean liner SS United States. Still to this day the fastest liner in history and the largest ever made in this country. She is to be sunk off Florida for fish and sea creatures to enjoy. Built with our tax dollars with the capability to be used in time of war. We have thousands of military machines preserved and even the RMS Queen Mary built in England!
I agree very much about the SS United States. What they are doing to it is a crime in my opinion even tho I know my opinion is wrong according to alot of people. The conservancy had no solid plan for any type of rehab for the ship all anyone would keep saying is, do you know how much money that would cost, and it seems like they begged for donations and most people couldn't even get access to the damn ship, unless you was a TH-camr or something like that. Yes I know it would cost a ton to rehab the ship into a hotel or something but it seems like no one even gave it a true and valid effort. They could have made sure she was gonna stay afloat for a long while and over time used the money properly to do work on the ship. I'm not talking about a grand plan for a hotel or anything crazy but little by little they could have done something but they didn't. It sat rotting away while the people in charge just took donations for nothing. I would have at least painted it, just think how bad ass it would have looked sitting there all painted up nice. The 1st mistake they did was gutting it in the first place, yes I know it had asbestos in it, but still. Gutting that ship was its death nail. The conservancy was a con. That's my rant about the SS united States.
@ it was gutted way before Susan Gibbs and the conservative took it over. I would have thought that a paint company like PPG, DuPont or BASF would be contacted for help as an advertisement. Anyway, my biggest gripe is with our government not placing it next to an aircraft carrier in NY harbor and having it as a museum/hotel, restaurant,bar etc
@@ronjones1077 yes u knew it had been gutted years ago I'm just saying ultimately that's what did that ship in, after that the poor ship had no future because of how much it would have cost to redo the inside. The only thing they could have possibly done was redo sections at a time over time, then maybe they could have had a restaurant and a bar or something like that as they slowly went through how ever much of the ship to redo some even if they didn't do the whole thing some of it could have been done. I also thought about a big paint company swooping in to get it painted that could have been a great ad campaign for that company. Idk it's just sad to see it sitting there looking like it does and knowing that they are just going to sink it. Our government could have stepped in perhaps but im sure there's a million and one reasons they'd give as to why they did nothing.
Can't remember if it was Firefly the series or Serenity the movie, but I have a wonderful screenshot of Jewel Staite standing in a C5 cockpit at Davis Monthan, on the way in they drive by the B19 cockpit.
I worked on this plane here at the 433rd AW at Lackland AFB/Kelley Annex. Out of the 16 assigned to the 433rd it was one of the better FRED's to work on but most was a maintainers nightmare, for every one hour of flight takes 120 man hours (12 maintainers 10 hours to do just a BPO/PreFlight inspection) to get it back into the air!!! I've worked on A-7's, A-10's, C-5's, C-130's, F-4's, F-16's, and KC-135's. The C-5 FRED is the worst to maintain out of them all, the best is the A-10 with a very close second the F-16!!! Plus I'm also a FAA licensed Airframe & Power Plant mechanic that also worked on Astra's, Beechcraft, Cessna's, Challengers, Falconjets, Gilfstreams, Learjets, Pipers and they too are easier to maintain than FRED's. My question is why did Lockheed build the C-5 with its crazy maintenance procedures, the C-130's was really pleasant to work on and I heard that same was on the C-141's, what happened???
I’ve always said “If you can fix a C-5, you can fix a rainy day”. Fred is over engineered, and a maintenance nightmare, but there is nothing that can do what it does
The forward and aft loading systems, the cargo floor, the flight deck and the service doors will be turned into a trainer that will bring up the next generation of loadmasters. The PlaneTags will at least keep the legend alive.
Rode on one from Eglin to Edwards coming back from B-2 temperature testing ....smooth flight and landing for the weight we were carrying. Weird sitting backwards with no windows to look out. Feel bad for 451....but it could have been worse.
C-5As on occasion flew into Homestead AFB. One day a C-141 did a sneak in to the base. It flew between our house and Homestead General Aviation Airport at an altitude that I could see the pilots in the cockpit. Yeah, that low. About the second lowest a military aircraft ever flew past our two story house. The lowest, a C-130 spraying for mosquitoes that at the end of each run had to climb to make its turn.
Man I was looking forward to seeing 0451 across the street from the Bear, my dad served as a C-5 mechanic at Travis AFB from 1972-1992 Cmsgt Forrest Martin or Marty to his good friends and colleagues who have since passed! My daddy just turned 86 and he was also looking forward to seeing it. I’m literally about to pickup the phone and tell him the higher ups screwed up again. 0451 was a great Airplane.
@ well you probably remember Dennis Rhiel and George Hawkins? They both passed away some years ago, they were his fishing buddies. Good chance my dad will remember you😎🤩 The ol Chief still lives in Vacaville
@jonmartin6451 George and I worked together in the ISO Dock. Remember Dennis very well. A few years ago, I had a SSgt say to me “You’ve been here a long time, you probably know my grandfather!” I told him to shut up, how old do you think I am and asked “Who is your Grandfather?” I almost fell over when he said Dennis Riehl. Yup, your grandfather was a Chief when I was a Senior
@ Denny was a good friend to fish and hunt with. Hawk moved to Texas and came back to Fairfield every year to striper fish with us in the slough. He died from lymphoma in April of 21.
Sad to see 451 chopped up like that; it should have been flown somewhere else that was willing to spend the money to make it a proper museum piece. Nevertheless, I'm glad planetags was able to get involved; I had been bugging them for years about offering C-5 tags. I do have to say though that 451's most epic mission was on an AFRC trainer that transited Spangdahlem from Feb 10 - Mar 9, 2009. After landing in near-blizzard conditions, due to a leaking P&D valve, Fred spent 27 days on the ramp and almost became "Building 451". The crew was kicked out of about seven different hotels while waiting for our sick bird to get fixed. It was a great paid tour of Europe though, and a per diem check big enough to pay off my car loan!
I grew up near Wright Patterson AFB. The 445th Airlift Wing is stationed there, and they flew C-5As in and out pretty much round the clock. Close to the base is the National Museum of the USAF who were apparently supposed to receive one of their planes to put on static display once the wing upgraded to C-17s. Still unclear why that never happened.. If I had to guess, it had something to do about the uncertainty of the grounds supporting such a heavy aircraft without it sinking over time. Very tragic to lose another Fred... Thank you for sharing.
My guess is money was part of the issue at WPAFB. The C-5 has a surprisingly light footprint for as heavy as it is. Compare it to a KC-46, 181,610lbs empty divided by 10 landing gear wheels means each wheel carries 18,161lbs. A C-5 with a 375,000lb empty weight and 28 landing gear wheels means each wheel only carries 13,392lbs
The Hanoi Taxi is an amazing display aircraft. In 2005 they flew it around the world. It was great to see the old glossy paint scheme when all the other 141s were matte gray. The interior had copies of POW art and photos. It also had the original hydraulic service center panel that had been signed by all the returning POWs. photos.app.goo.gl/3gTG2Ws62ohCTGmc7
Looking at Google Maps it would appear that there were other routes that could have been used, but nonetheless that’s moot now. Once it was decided not to move the aircraft to static display, why wasn’t the aircraft transferred to AMARG for PROPER recycling?
Holy shit…..as a pilot I know what a stall feels like but I can’t imagine what one in a C-5 on approach was like. I’ll bet there were some dirty flight suits after that.😱
The forward and aft loading systems, the cargo floor and rollers, the flight deck and hatches are getting turned into a large trainer. These parts will be training loadmasters for years to come. Plus the PlaneTags will carry on the legacy.
@@WaddleAero Yes, I understood that. But that would be more of a sort of transformation or as you say carrying on the legacy, not a rebirth. Well, not at least as I understand one.
Got to see just about every C-5M and F-22 take first flight, curious what will roll out of Plant 6 next? There can't be many C-130/L-100's left on the books
This beast is part of the heritage of my family my grandfather is an unknown for the most part member of the inner circle of Kelly Johnson at skunkworks Burbank many of the people in and around my family life growing up were working on this and the rest of the Lockheed stable and moon landing stuff I used to see it coming into Miramar in the mid-70s when we nearby watching it on final seems to make time stand still so beautiful
@@breth8159 So grandpa KNOWS there are aliens?! By that I mean that I am convinced that Kelly Johnson was from outer space. So cool that you have a family connection to KJ and the Skunkworks. Some of the most amazing aircraft ever built came out of that team.
5:44 if a private individual can have a 747-400 towed from Schiphol to a hotel over a distance farther than shown here, over rough farm/produce land, than having to build a simple ramp and tearing down some cinderblocks is easy-peasy!
*sigh* I'm gonna have to get a tag. Former resident of TAFB here (Support Sqn HQ was David Grant and the Aviation Museum was the Commissary then), it would have been nice to see "Fred" make it across the road. I was amazed that they were able to get the B-52 and C-124 into the parking lot! I don't remember the berm being there then so that's probably how it was done.
I moved the C-134 and the C-141 into their current position. We were able to make a left turn at P1 and miss the berm. Inside the museum, you can still see in imprint of the underfloor ductwork for the cash registers from the commissary.
That was Plan B. We asked the contractor to pull the tail in one piece so we could display the tail. Money ended up being the issue again. The engineering that goes into a support for a 14,000 pound piece, that is designed to fly, is expensive. The winds routinely get above 35mph and occasionally go above 70.
The McCord museum wanted an F-15 for display so somebody called a big wig at the AF and all of a sudden an F-15 showed up. Apparently it was pulled off the line in great shape with low hours, go figure. They even displayed it with the gun still mounted till somebody said, you better get that gun off the plane till somebody beats you to it. It amazes how me the government works.
Thanks for watching! The music is Into the Wilds Scott Buckley www.scottbuckley.com.au/library/ released under CC-BY 4.0 He makes his music available for use, as long as you credit the source. Amazing guy, amazing music
@@oxcart4172 The forward and aft loading systems, the cargo floor, the flight deck and the service doors will be turned into a trainer that will bring up the next generation of loadmasters. The PlaneTags will at least keep the legend alive.
We moves the Golden Bear with volunteers for $0. The problem either the C-5 was the wing span. If wouldn’t fit any route except going over that ridge line. That is was drove the ramp bid
Returning from Utapao, I was assigned to Travis 9/1975-7/1977 in Comm/Nav. No doubt I worked on this A/C. Currently living in Napa where transiting Travis C17’s regularly overfly my home.
The forward and aft loading systems, the cargo floor and rollers, the flight deck and hatches are getting turned into a large trainer. These parts will be training loadmasters for years to come. Plus the PlaneTags will carry on the legacy
@@KutWrite Well actually it's a big problem, but not with these kinds of videos and the good-natured kinds of folks that make them. The Clicx8ait problem is widespread on TH-cam, but this ain't clickbait. Being baited has traumatized all of us and for you that has symptomized into wanting to pick a fight with some airplane history enthusiast. I choose to believe kutwrite is merely a victim, lashing out at innocent people for misperceived transgressions. WaddleAero on the other hand is like a guy trying to replace a broken headlight, Kutwrite went after him like he was installing devices with football stadium-level brightness, you know, the kind that Kutwrite was blinded with last night? See? Doncha see fellas? I'm gonna leave you two alone now, but I'll hear about it if you two get into it again. I'll hear about it. I'll know.
@Greitungzing thanks… @KutWrite asked a fair question. You are correct, I was not intending to clickbait. I am just happy that the whole plane isn’t going to end up as scrap
@@WaddleAero Oh. One question. A near-accident happened on the way to Diego Garcia, but landed there? It goes from recovering just at 775 feet above the ocean to showing a C-5 parked somewhere as you say "Once 451 arrived at Travis Air Force Base..." It kind of made me think Travis AFB was on Diego Garcia because it was damaged and maybe couldn't take off. Maybe I saw it wrong but I looked up Travis to make sure it wasnt the name of the Diego Garcia base. Awesome video, please make more:)
What a waste. I don't think Travis wanted 451 other than stealing parts from it. Insult to injury, they could have kept the TF-39 engines, but it seems they trashed them too. By the way, I've worked every surviving C-5 since the mid 70's, at Dover. They all come to Dover at some point...
Dover took part of the TF39s. The problem with getting the engines down is the lack of trailers. Some of the engine parts may have been put to good use instagram.com/p/DC9e51jvuTT/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
I realize a C-5 is at the museum at Dover and hopefully one day one will be at the NMUSAF in Ohio when the "M" models are retired but having one on display on a base somewhere static would be amazing. $1.5MM to get it on diplay seems like short $$ given how the DoD wastes tons of $$ every day.
@@jumpingjeffflash9946 The only DoD money available is the same pool that is used for improvements to the base in the area of living conditions for the troops. We were unable to secure outside funds.
DoD does not spend money on Museums, other than giving up the land, and maybe utilities. All operating costs including aircraft restorations come from donations. If no one wants to spend money on it, it's not happening. The US National Museum Of Naval Aviation tries to find sponsors to donate for restorations. They found a F6F Hellcat that had crashed in Lake Michigan during a training flight. Looking through it's log books, they found that it had been flown by Jack Taylor, founder of Enterprise Rent-A-Car, at some point in it's service life. He paid the entire cost of the restoration. (If you didn't know Enterprise is named Enterprise because it's one of the ship he was stationed on and flew from during WWII. He was attached to Carrier Air Group 15, one of the most decorated units in Navy History. Flew as wingman many times to the Commander of CAG 15, Medal of Honor recipient, David McCampbell. The Navy's Ace of Aces, and top F6F Hellcat ace with 34 aerial victories.
Hilarious that the USAF balked at a cost estimate of $1.4M. Oh well, at least now I'll own a piece of Dead Fred. 😁 I think with every income tax return from the IRS we should also get the option to receive a free PlaneTag of our choice.
You are correct, that was 70-0450. 30 December 1988, local training flight. Misting hydraulic line, next to a leaking oxygen line and an arcing electrical wire near the forward end of the troop compartment. It was the Friday before New Year’s Eve and the entire Quality Assurance office left early. If I remember correctly, this was when the fire department realized they didn’t have a CRAF truck that could reach the backbone of a C-5.
You can own a piece of C-5 70-0451
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@@WaddleAero I just purchased one for my pops. Thanks for the opportunity to get a piece of her!
I have a little chunk of a C-5 NLG door that was dragged along the runway at Rhein-Main Air Base in Frankfurt, Germany back in the '80s. I was the supervisor of the crash recovery team that responded to a Fred that had gotten the nose gear only partly extended when it got stuck. Because of the *ahem* "reliability" of the gear extension system, I'd heard this was not an unknown event. When we cleaned up the runway I pocketed the souvenir. A few years later when I was stationed at RAF Woodbridge in the UK, my crash recovery team got called out for another Fred with a unique problem. It was parked on the helo ramp. Parked, as in, not moving/flying. I'd seen it out there earlier in the day when the helo guys were loading one of their MH-53's on it. I thought Job Control was just trying to f*ck with us when they called for a crash recovery. Turned out, the "crash" was on a -53 INSIDE the Fred! Not something you see every day. As part of the procedure to shoehorn a -53 into the cargo bay of a C-5 (the helo has literally one inch to spare at the top of the rotor hub) they have to deflate the helo's nose gear strut, remove the normal nose wheels, and install smaller diameter metal "skate board wheels" to get the needed one inch of clearance. Then, once its inside the cargo bay, they re-inflate the nose gear strut for the flight to wherever. So far, so good. Except...the AGE driver who brought out the air compressor unit had been asked to deliver an MC-11 low pressure unit. For unknown reasons, he had actually delivered an MC-1A high pressure, high flow unit. Ooops. And so, the holes in the swiss cheese began to line up. The young'un Crew Chief who was working on the strut asked one of the other helo guys to start up the compressor and standby to shoot him some air while he dragged the air hose inside the Fred. The unsuspecting crew chief manning the strut valve yelled "Gimme some air!" "OK" As soon as the crew chief opened the valve, he got high-flow compressed air at 2,000psi...instantly drove the skate board wheels and strut piston completely through the cargo floor of the poor Fred. Oh, shit. Swiss cheese hole alignment complete. "What the f*ck do we do now?" "I know...call the crash recovery guys, they can fix anything!" Right. After we stopped laughing our asses off (not appreciated by the helo guys...) we did use a lifting bag to extract the nose gear strut out of the new access port in the cargo floor, put a couple layers of 3/4" plywood decking over the hole and the mission went its merry way. As far as I know that was the only time in aviation history that crash recovery got activated for a crash inside another aircraft.
I spent 7 years on C-130s, the C-5’s little brother. The first 4 years in the Regular Air Force, as Crew Chief, Area Chief in the Phase Inspection Dock, and Assistant Crew Chief. Then 3 years in the AF Reserves as a Flight Engineer. The C-130 took me all over the world. The C-130s are still being built today. I can remember when the C-5 first came out. One came to where I was based in West Texas to test and practice landings and takeoffs on our PSP over dirt strip. On its first landing it tore up the PSP. So the test landing was a failure and there was no practice. If I remember correctly the only damage to the aircraft was some cut tires. It stayed for a few days and we got to get a look inside and walk around the outside. What an awesome aircraft!!!
I was deployed to Palmerola Air Base (now Soto Cano), Honduras in 1987 (maybe 1988). A C-5 had landed with supplies and was going to RON. It was parked on a dirt apron, but it had rained a few days earlier. In the morning, the main landing gear had sunk into the softened dirt, and the aircraft was stuck. Several aircraft came in with an assortment of jacks to get the C-5 lifted, dirt was filled underneath, and Marston Mats were laid to get the C-5 back to the taxiway. It was a fascinating project to watch.
Motoart!! Great post! C-5 one of the most impressive aircraft ever built in the US! Thanks for another great one.
I appreciate the history behind this. Great work!
Thank you!
My dad was a pilot he flew one of the 1st 3 C-141's into McChord. We were transferred to Dover and I remember when I was in Boy Scouts we'd hike around the runway and the C-5's would take off super loud and tons of smoke, super cool for a 14 year old! 🙂
I saw your dad fly into McChord ! I grew up right by the base. My hobby was plane watching there. I remember specifically when they flew in. The C-124s were still there.
My father took me out to McChord AFB to see the first C-141 arrive there. Replacing the venerable C-154 Globemaster II. I grew up in Lakewood and spent many summer days riding my bike out to the runway overlook to watch all sorts of aircraft fly in and out. At the age of about 12-13, I was technically arrested for getting too close to the F-106 flight-line. I wanted to see the VMFA-323 (Death Rattlers) F-4 Phantoms from El Toro which had arrived to fly dissimilar air to air combat training the 318th's (Green Dragons) F-106 Delta Darts. I was in a safe area, but one of the MPs saw me writing down tail numbers and called me to come over to him, which then placed me in the restricted zone. Before I knew what was happening a blue dodge extra cab pickup truck with more MPs pulled up, they threw by 10-speed in the bed and me in the back seat. They then raced me to the HQ building for interrogation. It was like out of a movie! Sitting at a cold metal table in a room with the big two-way mirror on the wall and one very bright light in my face. This guy in uniform began asking me why I was in a restricted zone and I tried to explain. I had several F-4 Phantom books at home, and I wanted to see if I could identify the exact same jets in my books based on the tail numbers. (Which I later did!) He very bluntly stated "There are no Phantoms based here"! I tried to explain that I knew very well VFMA-323 F-4's were not based here at McChord, but they had flown up from El Toro to train with the 318th. He continued to insist very admittedly there were no F-4's based at McChord, and I continued to insist I knew that, but they were there all the same! I remember as a rather young kid at the time, I found it troubling that this grown man did not know what was happening at his own base! Looking back, he may have not known Phantoms were there and why, but more likely he just did not want to admit it to me. During my interrogation they had called my dad. After about 30 minutes of this back and forth my father finally stormed in and read them the riot act! He was a Major at the time getting close to retirement. I assume he outranked them, but who knows. So at the end of it all I was instructed by The Airforce that I was 86'ed from the base and no longer welcome. However, they did not confiscate my ID, so within a week or so I was right back out there watching the Jets! Not too long ago I read an article about the whole origin of why the Phantoms were there, and the name of the Airforce General who realized the value of dissimilar air combat training between the different service branches and their aircraft. I believe this was the very first time it had been put into practice and it was a big success. I think the same VFMA-323 Phantoms were there again the next year, and perhaps again a year after that.
@@AFluffyBunny4 I grew up on AF bases and the Air Police and I didnt get along at all.
Did you ge to Tyee Park? Did you see the C-141 burnt up on the tarmac? I was 13 or so and My dad was a Major about that time. My dad flew the new C-141's then after a few years he trained to fly the AC-119 then flew to VN in 69. He came back and we transferred to Dover DE.
Great video. What a cool plane.
It’s a beast of a plane.
I remember the first time I saw a C-5. I went to Yokota to collect some equipment that had just arrived on a C-5. I was used to seeing a line of C-141s, and had ridden on them a few times. I was always impressed by their size. Well, that day the C-5 was parked in the middle of the C-141s. When I came around the corner I stopped dead in my tracks. Holy $hit! It looked like the 141s were little chicks and mom had just shown up. Hard to believe something that big could fly.
I still remember the first time I went out to a C-5 and looked up the crew entry ladder then down at my tool box, thinking “they want me to carry this up THAT?!”
The incident over Diego was and probably still is used as training aircrews about good coordination and communication in the cockpit. It's amazing that thing isn't an artificial reef now off of the island. I was told it sat at Diego for quite some time undergoing inspections and repairs before they flew it home. Big airplanes aren't meant to stall and pull the Gs that thing did.
My father retired an E-8 crew chief on C-5's in Dover Del in 1974. He would take us as kids to work now and then and we would slide on the load rollers from one end to the other. Surprised we didn't break our necks but it was a different time.
My dad is a retired ART at Travis, worked 141’s, C-5s and KC-10s. Thanks for sharing this. Definitely know what I am getting him for Christmas
LOL, I worked with your dad!
@@WaddleAero Wow, that’s awesome!!!
I was en-route in Hawaii. Got to work on this Fred. All the variants, A, B, C, and M.
It’s awfully hard to watch a fabled craft like that go.
I live next to Ft Bragg and occasionally we get to see one of these beauties flying in or out. I got to see one on final coming in to Pope AAF one day and it looked like it was just hanging in the air. Such a great platform. Very nice video. Thank you.
Funny you should call Ft Liberty Ft Bragg when Pope AAF was at the same time called Pope AFB. Brother In Law was stationed there when it was Pope AFB in the 70s.
I witnessed the arrival of this aircraft at Charleston AFB back in the day. What a magnificent experience. As I recall, it was flown by General Jack Catton, then the MAC Commander - and yes, upon landing, one of its wheels separated from an axel.
That is hilarious! The tradition continues C-5 Tire Recovery
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About 2 days after that somewhat embarrassing mishap, I saw the quick fix. On each axle a bolt (~3/16” by the diameter of the castellated axle wheel nut) had been added to prevent unintended backing off. Not sure if this became the production fix.
Lockheed-Georga test engineer during the early C-5 days.
I've got a 451 Planetag, as I logged over 30 hrs of flying on her. RIP old girl...
Flew on her a bunch in the stage. I remember the crushing disappointment thinking we alerted to 4051, only to discover it was 0451.
I was an air freight specialist at Travis AFB in 1970 when the C5A was put into service. This aircraft had tons of problems. We would spend hours loading this aircraft the have to unload it because of problems with aircraft. This aircraft has designed to “squat” or lower itself for loading. When loaded, the plane was often not able to raise itself up to service height. We would have to offload the aircraft, the aircraft would then be raised and we would reload the plane. But, now we were working 30 feet of the ground. No safety harnesses, no nothin. The hydraulics in the aircraft were so loud and others had hearing loose from time to time spent on that aircraft.
I started working them in 1980. There have been a lot of improvements since then. It is still a maintenance challenge but a much better plane than you worked
What a damn shame. Along with the plane tags, at least there's still some intact airframes in Arizona. This might buy some time to find a spot closer to the flight line for preservation. The C5 was my favorite aircraft in the USAF.
Unfortunately, the tails at the boneyard will never fly again. The cost of shipping one would be astronomical
@@WaddleAero There was a static B-36 moved (in pieces) from Chanute AFB, IL, to Castle Air Museum (Old Castle AFB), CA in the early 1990s!
Any idea what year they took off the rear ramp section and moved it to OK? Several years ago, I was working at a Sheriff's Office in the middle of KS and a semi came through hauling the rear section of a C-5. The truck needed to refuel at a local truck stop and we were doing traffic control for them. The crew said they were taking it to OK to be used for training. I may have some photos floating around somewhere....
The cutting up process started 19 March 2024. The trucking out was June of 2024.
I was glad to see this wasn't just a careless chop it up and get rid of it. They looked at a lot of options and continued to use every part they could find for other planes or projects.
I was stationed at Travis AFB from June 1969 to August 1971 and saw the arrival of the first C-5 assigned to the 60th MAW. The C-5s replaced the C-133 Cargomasters in the USAF.
Cool! I was part of bringing the last flying C-133 back to Travis
C-133 Travis AFB Final Landing
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I actually worked on 70-0451 at Hickam AFB as en route support and then later at Travis AFB in the 90's.
Stator wraps, I was there
Can't forget midring rivets
Dover A F B, 436 FMS structural repair shop, 75- 79
I flew on 70-0451 as a flight engineer at Westover ARB. Which was the last base to operate 451. It was my last A model I flew on before I converted to fly/train on the M model. On my C5 page I have videos of inflight footage of 451 flying inflight. Thanks for posting! th-cam.com/video/X8SPfPynZ3U/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EMvRJ6c8rx2LxNUJ
Nothing beats the sound of four angry TF-39s!
I live near Westover ARB. They are now building a new hangar to service the C 5m.
Must be nice… we have built 3 new hangars in the past 30 years, none of them will fit a C-5
@ The base was built for Ww2, during the Cold War had B52. Half of the C5 fleet went to Dover years ago. Now
I believe they have been activated and just grateful the base is active for what it does financially for this area.
Very sad to see this. What’s even more sad is loosing the only one of one ocean liner SS United States. Still to this day the fastest liner in history and the largest ever made in this country. She is to be sunk off Florida for fish and sea creatures to enjoy. Built with our tax dollars with the capability to be used in time of war. We have thousands of military machines preserved and even the RMS Queen Mary built in England!
I agree very much about the SS United States. What they are doing to it is a crime in my opinion even tho I know my opinion is wrong according to alot of people. The conservancy had no solid plan for any type of rehab for the ship all anyone would keep saying is, do you know how much money that would cost, and it seems like they begged for donations and most people couldn't even get access to the damn ship, unless you was a TH-camr or something like that. Yes I know it would cost a ton to rehab the ship into a hotel or something but it seems like no one even gave it a true and valid effort. They could have made sure she was gonna stay afloat for a long while and over time used the money properly to do work on the ship. I'm not talking about a grand plan for a hotel or anything crazy but little by little they could have done something but they didn't. It sat rotting away while the people in charge just took donations for nothing. I would have at least painted it, just think how bad ass it would have looked sitting there all painted up nice. The 1st mistake they did was gutting it in the first place, yes I know it had asbestos in it, but still. Gutting that ship was its death nail. The conservancy was a con. That's my rant about the SS united States.
@ it was gutted way before Susan Gibbs and the conservative took it over. I would have thought that a paint company like PPG, DuPont or BASF would be contacted for help as an advertisement.
Anyway, my biggest gripe is with our government not placing it next to an aircraft carrier in NY harbor and having it as a museum/hotel, restaurant,bar etc
@@ronjones1077 yes u knew it had been gutted years ago I'm just saying ultimately that's what did that ship in, after that the poor ship had no future because of how much it would have cost to redo the inside. The only thing they could have possibly done was redo sections at a time over time, then maybe they could have had a restaurant and a bar or something like that as they slowly went through how ever much of the ship to redo some even if they didn't do the whole thing some of it could have been done. I also thought about a big paint company swooping in to get it painted that could have been a great ad campaign for that company. Idk it's just sad to see it sitting there looking like it does and knowing that they are just going to sink it. Our government could have stepped in perhaps but im sure there's a million and one reasons they'd give as to why they did nothing.
Can't remember if it was Firefly the series or Serenity the movie, but I have a wonderful screenshot of Jewel Staite standing in a C5 cockpit at Davis Monthan, on the way in they drive by the B19 cockpit.
I worked on this plane here at the 433rd AW at Lackland AFB/Kelley Annex. Out of the 16 assigned to the 433rd it was one of the better FRED's to work on but most was a maintainers nightmare, for every one hour of flight takes 120 man hours (12 maintainers 10 hours to do just a BPO/PreFlight inspection) to get it back into the air!!!
I've worked on A-7's, A-10's, C-5's, C-130's, F-4's, F-16's, and KC-135's. The C-5 FRED is the worst to maintain out of them all, the best is the A-10 with a very close second the F-16!!!
Plus I'm also a FAA licensed Airframe & Power Plant mechanic that also worked on Astra's, Beechcraft, Cessna's, Challengers, Falconjets, Gilfstreams, Learjets, Pipers and they too are easier to maintain than FRED's.
My question is why did Lockheed build the C-5 with its crazy maintenance procedures, the C-130's was really pleasant to work on and I heard that same was on the C-141's, what happened???
I’ve always said “If you can fix a C-5, you can fix a rainy day”. Fred is over engineered, and a maintenance nightmare, but there is nothing that can do what it does
@WaddleAero yeah drive all of us maintainers completely insane and silly!!!
A very good video, but what was the rebirth?
The forward and aft loading systems, the cargo floor, the flight deck and the service doors will be turned into a trainer that will bring up the next generation of loadmasters. The PlaneTags will at least keep the legend alive.
@ I took the rebirth to mean it was reconditioned / up graded and went back to a flying status. Maybe repurposed would have been a better term.
Rode on one from Eglin to Edwards coming back from B-2 temperature testing ....smooth flight and landing for the weight we were carrying. Weird sitting backwards with no windows to look out. Feel bad for 451....but it could have been worse.
C-5As on occasion flew into Homestead AFB. One day a C-141 did a sneak in to the base. It flew between our house and Homestead General Aviation Airport at an altitude that I could see the pilots in the cockpit. Yeah, that low. About the second lowest a military aircraft ever flew past our two story house. The lowest, a C-130 spraying for mosquitoes that at the end of each run had to climb to make its turn.
Maaaaaan 1.5 million to save the aircraft as a display piece?!? That’s too much let’s spend 15 million to build a simulator! - us government
Man I was looking forward to seeing 0451 across the street from the Bear, my dad served as a C-5 mechanic at Travis AFB from 1972-1992
Cmsgt Forrest Martin or Marty to his good friends and colleagues who have since passed! My daddy just turned 86 and he was also looking forward to seeing it. I’m literally about to pickup the phone and tell him the higher ups screwed up again.
0451 was a great Airplane.
That is awesome… I remember Chief Marty, although he probably doesn’t remember me. I had left the C5s from 88-92 and was in QA
@ well you probably remember Dennis Rhiel and George Hawkins? They both passed away some years ago, they were his fishing buddies.
Good chance my dad will remember you😎🤩
The ol Chief still lives in Vacaville
@jonmartin6451 George and I worked together in the ISO Dock.
Remember Dennis very well. A few years ago, I had a SSgt say to me “You’ve been here a long time, you probably know my grandfather!” I told him to shut up, how old do you think I am and asked “Who is your Grandfather?” I almost fell over when he said Dennis Riehl. Yup, your grandfather was a Chief when I was a Senior
@ Denny was a good friend to fish and hunt with. Hawk moved to Texas and came back to Fairfield every year to striper fish with us in the slough. He died from lymphoma in April of 21.
Sad to see 451 chopped up like that; it should have been flown somewhere else that was willing to spend the money to make it a proper museum piece. Nevertheless, I'm glad planetags was able to get involved; I had been bugging them for years about offering C-5 tags. I do have to say though that 451's most epic mission was on an AFRC trainer that transited Spangdahlem from Feb 10 - Mar 9, 2009. After landing in near-blizzard conditions, due to a leaking P&D valve, Fred spent 27 days on the ramp and almost became "Building 451". The crew was kicked out of about seven different hotels while waiting for our sick bird to get fixed. It was a great paid tour of Europe though, and a per diem check big enough to pay off my car loan!
It's hard enough finding the $$ for fighter static displays. Who has the coin to preserve one of these behemoths?
I was at Travis in 87-88. I'm going to get one of the plane tags. Tried to get a piece of one of the C-5's at the Boneyard and they don't sell parts.
I grew up near Wright Patterson AFB. The 445th Airlift Wing is stationed there, and they flew C-5As in and out pretty much round the clock. Close to the base is the National Museum of the USAF who were apparently supposed to receive one of their planes to put on static display once the wing upgraded to C-17s. Still unclear why that never happened.. If I had to guess, it had something to do about the uncertainty of the grounds supporting such a heavy aircraft without it sinking over time. Very tragic to lose another Fred... Thank you for sharing.
My guess is money was part of the issue at WPAFB. The C-5 has a surprisingly light footprint for as heavy as it is. Compare it to a KC-46, 181,610lbs empty divided by 10 landing gear wheels means each wheel carries 18,161lbs. A C-5 with a 375,000lb empty weight and 28 landing gear wheels means each wheel only carries 13,392lbs
The 445th flew the C-141, and they did receive one when the fleet was retired, the Hanoi Taxi. I was lucky enough to be there the morning it landed
The Hanoi Taxi is an amazing display aircraft. In 2005 they flew it around the world. It was great to see the old glossy paint scheme when all the other 141s were matte gray. The interior had copies of POW art and photos. It also had the original hydraulic service center panel that had been signed by all the returning POWs. photos.app.goo.gl/3gTG2Ws62ohCTGmc7
I flew on the "Golden Bear" once. Sometime in the mid 90s, it was stationed at Altus, OK. We flew on it to an ORI exercise.
Man that's a shame that they scrapped it.
Looks like someone should've planned the route to the museum a little better before it got there
Looking at Google Maps it would appear that there were other routes that could have been used, but nonetheless that’s moot now. Once it was decided not to move the aircraft to static display, why wasn’t the aircraft transferred to AMARG for PROPER recycling?
Google Maps can be deceptive… it didn’t go to amarg because it was going to be a display
Holy shit…..as a pilot I know what a stall feels like but I can’t imagine what one in a C-5 on approach was like. I’ll bet there were some dirty flight suits after that.😱
LOL! I would imagine that the seat cushion being sucked in would have blocked any outflow
Brown out 💩💩💩
50 kts in a C-5 is insane. Those are stol approach speeds.
I was At McMurdo station when the first landing of a C5 happened oct 5 1989
With the increase in tension in the Pacific are there any plans to build new C5s?
Don’t think that will ever happen
All tooling for non interchangeable/replaceable components (spares) was destroyed by contract from DOD in the early 2000's.
My wife started buying me air tags and really love them.
Surprised the NMUSAF hasn’t picked one up.
Hoping the will get an M model in about 50 years… I won’t be around to see
Interesting video, but what rebirth?
The forward and aft loading systems, the cargo floor and rollers, the flight deck and hatches are getting turned into a large trainer. These parts will be training loadmasters for years to come. Plus the PlaneTags will carry on the legacy.
@@WaddleAero Yes, I understood that. But that would be more of a sort of transformation or as you say carrying on the legacy, not a rebirth. Well, not at least as I understand one.
@FernandoTRA Maybe “Repurpose” would have been a better choice
Got to see just about every C-5M and F-22 take first flight, curious what will roll out of Plant 6 next? There can't be many C-130/L-100's left on the books
I’m sure I won’t live long enough to see the last C-130 roll off line line
@@WaddleAero The last one will be a Tata
This beast is part of the heritage of my family my grandfather is an unknown for the most part member of the inner circle of Kelly Johnson at skunkworks Burbank many of the people in and around my family life growing up were working on this and the rest of the Lockheed stable and moon landing stuff I used to see it coming into Miramar in the mid-70s when we nearby watching it on final seems to make time stand still so beautiful
@@breth8159 So grandpa KNOWS there are aliens?! By that I mean that I am convinced that Kelly Johnson was from outer space. So cool that you have a family connection to KJ and the Skunkworks. Some of the most amazing aircraft ever built came out of that team.
This was one of my team at Travis afb I flew 451and 216 as a dcc
Man that was close, 742 feet from certain expiration.
5:44 if a private individual can have a 747-400 towed from Schiphol to a hotel over a distance farther than shown here, over rough farm/produce land, than having to build a simple ramp and tearing down some cinderblocks is easy-peasy!
LOL
*sigh* I'm gonna have to get a tag. Former resident of TAFB here (Support Sqn HQ was David Grant and the Aviation Museum was the Commissary then), it would have been nice to see "Fred" make it across the road. I was amazed that they were able to get the B-52 and C-124 into the parking lot! I don't remember the berm being there then so that's probably how it was done.
I moved the C-134 and the C-141 into their current position. We were able to make a left turn at P1 and miss the berm. Inside the museum, you can still see in imprint of the underfloor ductwork for the cash registers from the commissary.
I see this jet every day, sad to see its transformation from what it was to now
They could have mounted the intact tailplane opposite the C-141 at least.
That was Plan B. We asked the contractor to pull the tail in one piece so we could display the tail. Money ended up being the issue again. The engineering that goes into a support for a 14,000 pound piece, that is designed to fly, is expensive. The winds routinely get above 35mph and occasionally go above 70.
I flew 451 As a Fight Engineer at Travis.
Why didn’t they bulldoze the ground where the large berm was? That would have cost far less if not only thousands
The berm is more of a cutout on the edge of a hill. Cutting that direction would have gone a lot farther and intersected a lot of roads and utilities
I guess the old TF-39s are no longer usefull Worked on the engines C5-B and the CF6- 80C2 for the Super Ms at Evendale.
how many hours were on the airframe when parked?
24,645.9 hours
19,441 total landings
6,082 full stop landings
The McCord museum wanted an F-15 for display so somebody called a big wig at the AF and all of a sudden an F-15 showed up. Apparently it was pulled off the line in great shape with low hours, go figure. They even displayed it with the gun still mounted till somebody said, you better get that gun off the plane till somebody beats you to it. It amazes how me the government works.
I wonder how many viewers know what "Fred" means...😊
So what does it mean?
F’ing Ridiculous Economic Disaster
Sad end for a great plane !! What is the music at the end of the video as the planes deconstruct is shown ?
Thanks for watching!
The music is
Into the Wilds
Scott Buckley
www.scottbuckley.com.au/library/
released under CC-BY 4.0
He makes his music available for use, as long as you credit the source. Amazing guy, amazing music
Where is the rebirth? It was scrapped!
@@oxcart4172 The forward and aft loading systems, the cargo floor, the flight deck and the service doors will be turned into a trainer that will bring up the next generation of loadmasters. The PlaneTags will at least keep the legend alive.
Probably the move could have been done for $100K using volunteers were it not for the requirement to go to bid.
We moves the Golden Bear with volunteers for $0. The problem either the C-5 was the wing span. If wouldn’t fit any route except going over that ridge line. That is was drove the ramp bid
WHERE WAS THE REBIRTH???
Repurpose? Reinvent?
So I guess parts of her will survive....
Between the fuselage trainer and the plane tags, 451 is doing better than the other A models at the boneyard
I would have donated something towards the million if I had known
Not a "cinder block" wall - reinforced concrete barriers.
Both… but the barriers are moveable
Returning from Utapao, I was assigned to Travis 9/1975-7/1977 in Comm/Nav. No doubt I worked on this A/C. Currently living in Napa where transiting Travis C17’s regularly overfly my home.
I didn’t get to Travis until 1980 but we probably know some of the same people
Interesting... where's the "rebirth?"
The forward and aft loading systems, the cargo floor and rollers, the flight deck and hatches are getting turned into a large trainer. These parts will be training loadmasters for years to come. Plus the PlaneTags will carry on the legacy
@@WaddleAero I caught those, just didn't see them as "resurrection." No problem. Just a difference of language.
@@KutWrite Well actually it's a big problem, but not with these kinds of videos and the good-natured kinds of folks that make them.
The Clicx8ait problem is widespread on TH-cam, but this ain't clickbait. Being baited has traumatized all of us and for you that has symptomized into wanting to pick a fight with some airplane history enthusiast.
I choose to believe kutwrite is merely a victim, lashing out at innocent people for misperceived transgressions. WaddleAero on the other hand is like a guy trying to replace a broken headlight, Kutwrite went after him like he was installing devices with football stadium-level brightness, you know, the kind that Kutwrite was blinded with last night? See? Doncha see fellas?
I'm gonna leave you two alone now, but I'll hear about it if you two get into it again. I'll hear about it. I'll know.
@Greitungzing thanks… @KutWrite asked a fair question. You are correct, I was not intending to clickbait. I am just happy that the whole plane isn’t going to end up as scrap
@@WaddleAero
Oh. One question. A near-accident happened on the way to Diego Garcia, but landed there? It goes from recovering just at 775 feet above the ocean to showing a C-5 parked somewhere as you say "Once 451 arrived at Travis Air Force Base..."
It kind of made me think Travis AFB was on Diego Garcia because it was damaged and maybe couldn't take off.
Maybe I saw it wrong but I looked up Travis to make sure it wasnt the name of the Diego Garcia base.
Awesome video, please make more:)
The Antonov could put the C5 fuse inside it
Maybe the AN-225 could, but there was only one, RIP Mriya.
What a waste. I don't think Travis wanted 451 other than stealing parts from it. Insult to injury, they could have kept the TF-39 engines, but it seems they trashed them too. By the way, I've worked every surviving C-5 since the mid 70's, at Dover. They all come to Dover at some point...
Dover took part of the TF39s. The problem with getting the engines down is the lack of trailers. Some of the engine parts may have been put to good use instagram.com/p/DC9e51jvuTT/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==
I realize a C-5 is at the museum at Dover and hopefully one day one will be at the NMUSAF in Ohio when the "M" models are retired but having one on display on a base somewhere static would be amazing. $1.5MM to get it on diplay seems like short $$ given how the DoD wastes tons of $$ every day.
@@jumpingjeffflash9946 The only DoD money available is the same pool that is used for improvements to the base in the area of living conditions for the troops. We were unable to secure outside funds.
DoD does not spend money on Museums, other than giving up the land, and maybe utilities. All operating costs including aircraft restorations come from donations. If no one wants to spend money on it, it's not happening.
The US National Museum Of Naval Aviation tries to find sponsors to donate for restorations. They found a F6F Hellcat that had crashed in Lake Michigan during a training flight. Looking through it's log books, they found that it had been flown by Jack Taylor, founder of Enterprise Rent-A-Car, at some point in it's service life. He paid the entire cost of the restoration. (If you didn't know Enterprise is named Enterprise because it's one of the ship he was stationed on and flew from during WWII. He was attached to Carrier Air Group 15, one of the most decorated units in Navy History. Flew as wingman many times to the Commander of CAG 15, Medal of Honor recipient, David McCampbell. The Navy's Ace of Aces, and top F6F Hellcat ace with 34 aerial victories.
The An-124
You are thinking of the C-5-ovich
Hopefully they will save at least one for Wright Pat. Sad to see so many birds fall pray to the scrappers and get turned into red bull cans.
Rebirth? Where's the rebirth?
How about “repurpose” or “recycle”? The loadmaster trainer will train crews for years to come and the PlaneTags will keep the memory alive
Hilarious that the USAF balked at a cost estimate of $1.4M. Oh well, at least now I'll own a piece of Dead Fred. 😁 I think with every income tax return from the IRS we should also get the option to receive a free PlaneTag of our choice.
@@screwtewb I think Dave from MotoArt approves of this plan! Need to get D.O.G.E. on this!
There were C5s at Stewart ANG field in Newburgh NY, now there is C 17s… Both are cool airframes, peace …
HUGE waste of an airframe!
FRED
Shoulda planned that better.
The route was always the route. Leadership changes led to ‘obey priority changes.
Wasnt 700451 involved in a fire during a local flight..? Could have been 450....Ron Bailey was the FE...
You are correct, that was 70-0450.
30 December 1988, local training flight. Misting hydraulic line, next to a leaking oxygen line and an arcing electrical wire near the forward end of the troop compartment. It was the Friday before New Year’s Eve and the entire Quality Assurance office left early. If I remember correctly, this was when the fire department realized they didn’t have a CRAF truck that could reach the backbone of a C-5.
The grandfather of the c-5 is the German airplane the Messerschmitt me 323 Gigant