Steam Deck LCD vs OLED vs Ally | Ultimate Performance Test!
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- 20 Games tested between the Steam Deck LCD, OLED and Ally. Over 200 benchmarks! Find out how each system compares at different resolutions and watt levels.
0:00 - Intro
0:40 - How it's setup
1:34 - Crysis Remastered
3:11 - Cyberpunk
4:46 - Doom (2016)
5:51 - Dying Light
7:08 - Forza Horizon 5
8:41 - GTA 5
10:07 - Red Dead Redemption 2
12:10 - Insurgency Sandstorm
14:04 - Ark Survival Evolved
15:47 - Monster Hunter World
17:08 - Metro Exodus
18:31 - Beam NG
19:58 - Resident Evil 4
21:31 - The Witcher 3
23:14 - Resident Evil 2
24:57 - Subnautica
25:55 - Horizon Zero Dawn
27:04 - Generation Zero
28:18 - The Division
29:52 - Ghost Recon Wildlands
31:33 - (Charts) Intro
32:00 - (Chart) - Crysis
32:41 - (Chart) - Cyberpunk
33:17 - (Chart) - Doom
33:55 - (Chart) - Dying Light
34:27 - (Chart) - Forza Horizon 5
35:31 - (Chart) - GTA 5
36:27 - (Chart) - Red Dead Redemption 2
36:56 - (Chart) - Insurgency Sandstorm
37:57 - (Chart) - Ark Survival Evolved
38:43 - (Chart) - Monster Hunter World
39:19 - (Chart) - Metro Exodus
39:51 - (Chart) - Beam NG
40:19 - (Chart) - Resident Evil 4
41:12 - (Chart) - The Witcher 3
41:45 - (Chart) - Resident Evil 2
42:23 - (Chart) - Subnautica
43:09 - (Chart) - Horizon Zero Dawn
43:49 - (Chart) - Generation Zero
44:27 - (Chart) - The Division
45:11 - (Chart) - Ghost Recon Wildlands
45:55 - Wrap up
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It definitely takes a lot time to do this testing, thanks. Nice work! Good to know these difference.
Best recent comparison I've seen so far. Great job, sir.
This is an amazing video. Really! You present the numbers neutrally and demonstrate the pros and cons of both devices. Well done, we need more videos channels to take this approach.
Thank you a bunch! :)
Definitely my favourite ROG Ally content channel on YT. Great video yet again👍
Appreciate the amount of work that went into this video. Really shows the relative strengths of these handhelds.
So much respect for the amount of time this video must have taken you. Great job and Happy Holidays
Thank you! This one definitely took a while to make. Happy holidays to you too 👻
This is such a great comparison, must have taken a lot of effort to put this all together. I appreciate you my man ✌️
I have a GO and an OLED on the way to compare today. This is the video we have all been waiting for! thank you!!!
Amazing comparison. So much information in 1 video, great work!
Interesting results! I knew the Steamdeck is a good 720 device but I didn't realize to this extent.
wow, huge thanks for all your work!
Well done for all that effort!
Thanks a lot for the work you did!
I really appreciate this test I have both the ROG ally Z1 extreme and steam deck LCD 🔥
😂😂😂я тебя разочарую он специально показывает такую производительность на Ally что бы это говно покупали.Где он взял на Oled в DOOM 40 кадров😂😂😂😂.У меня лично в DOOM и DOOM ETERNAl идут в 80-90 ФПС на ультрах 😂😂😂😂
Appreciate your effort & commitment in bringing us straight facts. No bias love your work
holy crap that's a lot of games! liked and subscribed
Thanks for this in depth comparison really help me a lot on planning to buy the right handheld PC!!! My first Handheld PC 😊
Very good video. Thank you for your dedication.
As a side note, I have noticed that playing games on the SD with their own "Steam Deck" mode is the best way to play them, even better than going all the way to low settings.
This took a lot of work. You earned my sub ✌️
guau... respect for this hard good work, suscribed!
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Valve using Valve sorcery, of course.
The level of efficiency and optimization they poured into that (slower) Zen 2 chip is outstanding.
Best comparison for sure
This video really shows that power efficiency is what makes a handheld superior
Thats why the choice of a 1280*800p screen on the Deck is PERFECT.
The future Deck 2 will be the perfect handheld
I agree. The 800p is the sweet spot on the Steam Deck. And 900p is the sweet spot on the Ally.
@@filt3rless 1080p on the ally with amd ris is so sharp you can cut tomatoes.
Great Work! Thanks!
Amazing work.
Appreciate the content sir 💯
Wow, great video
(This exact test is why I returned the Z1 non extreme for the Z1 Extreme Ally, great device but I need the extra performance. For $399 on sale it was not bad, but it made me miss my Steam Deck too much) for those wondering, I have the Z1 non extreme Rog Ally and I ran the test with the same settings.
Rdr2 720p 15 watts Minimum FPS 23 Max FPS 66 Average FPS 43
Rdr2 720p 30 watts Minimum FPS 25 Max FPS 93 Average FPS 51
Rdr2 1080p 15 watts Minimum FPS 20 Max FPS 30 Average FPS 25
Rdr2 1080p 30 watts Minimum FPS 25 Max FPS 34 Average FPS 29
Dying Light
720p @ 15 watts Average FPS 45
720p @ 30 watts Average FPS 53
1080p @ 15 watts Average FPS 27
1080p @ 30 watts Average FPS 32
GTA V
720p @ 15 watts Average FPS 70
720p @ 30 watts Average FPS 80
1080p @ 15 watts Average FPS 33
1080p @ 30 watts Average FPS 42
Thank you very much for your comment. I wish there were more comparisons out there between the Z1 and the LCD deck being that they're the budget devices.
I think there's a good portion of people debating getting something that's steam deck equivalent and runs windows.
so this the ally z1 normal? not the extrem i figured cause those stats are worst then the steam deck and the z1 extrem should be way more powerfull
@@reggiexp69 yes it is the z1 edition these test were ran on, I have a Steam Deck, a Rog Ally z1 extreme and I had a z1 non extreme, some test i did the z1 non extreme did out perform the steam deck whereas they had the same settings , but in these 3 games with the exact same settings as the video above it reflected as shown on these numbers. The z1 non extreme is a great device, especially at $399 because the specs as a general pc will out perform the steam deck, but in gaming performance it won some and lost some. I say if you plan to get a Steam Deck and intend to install windows, than get the z1 non extreme on sale, in windows the ally non extreme is fast, no on-screen keyboard not showing up issues, and it will perform well enough and even better by changing a setting or 2. But I purchased my z1 non extreme for $399 and my z1 extreme for $491 openbox (which openbox is hit and miss, you might be better off with a z1 non extreme new rather that a open box z1 extreme....but thats a different story that I sorted out myself)
@@GetOffMyTech 399$ is cool but as a european... its 499€ for a z1 and 650€ for a z1 extrem and i got my refurbished 512 gb steam deck lcd for 379€ what is a steal for me. a couple days ago the 64gb for 299€ and 256gb 339€ came back in stock i would have prefered a 64gb and upgraded it my self but at the time they only had 512gb refursbised, saw a deal today of a new z1 extrem for 585€ what is crazy cheap even 2nd hand they still want 500-600€ and u never know if its the z1 or extreme model til u receive it...
for 500€ i would try a z1 extrem and see how i like it vs steam deck lcd. but for now am glad with my cheap steam deck :)
Glad the test helped! That's a huge difference. You definitely made the right choice getting the Z1 Extreme 👍
You can see that the APUs are memory bandwidth starved at 1080p. The deck only has 4 cores, so it makes sense it does better at lower WATTS. I'd love it if you put Nobara on the Ally with the community patches and compared the performance vs Windows.
So good! Wish could see one more fps test run on Legion Go so compare all 4 as well!
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Fantastic video, thank you!
Having all 3 I gotta say, overall Ally is the best but Deck OLED is my preference.....
I know it sounds stupid but that's reality, Ally to me is just better in nearly every way, but I loved Deck OLED more 😂
i dont know man... besides outright power its hard for me to make a case for the ally, owning both i can reel off a list of reasons why the deck is better while i start struggling with reasons for the ally after power and VRR. The decks battery is significantly better, the whole user experience is more refined, steam input is so powerful in comparison to the ally alternative which is just keymapping, steam input is a whole community driven custom input software. Often ill come across a game i just cant play on my ally that i can on the deck because there is a community made setup ready to go. I want to say the Ally display is better in some ways because it is, the resolution difference is noticeable but the deck OLED display is often wow especially in a dark room. i think the deck is more comfortable, has better sticks, touch pads are super useful in many games (playing rimworld a lot right now for example, easy on deck, wank on ally)
I love my ally but i like the OLED deck more... and i dont struggle to find reasons why at all lol
@@jinx20001 As much as I love my Deck OLED but tbh it's a bit overrated in my opinion, people tend to forget how much they missing without Ally....
What I like about Deck OLED are these:
1. Battery life is another level
2. Once setup it's easy to use and doesn't cause issues, more user friendly
3. OLED screen (only slightly I prefer it as VRR in Ally + Ally having one of best LCD screen colors/contrast I saw in handheld hence OLED not major upgrade to me.
Now if we look what I prefer in Ally:
1. Dare I say this but software: reason being I can get same as Deck experience using Steam big picture, my Ally setup in a way where it launches into steam big picture which is configured to match Deck UI, for emulation I used Emudeck like I have on my Deck, they literally offer same experience apart of some features of both, these features are device control which I prefer Ally on due to more customisability in settings..... But the biggest software advantage is the amount of games supported + games stability overalls, it's just way ahead in this, so many games on Deck I struggled to run or can't even run, but on Ally it supports them all without issues, new games launches are even worse on Deck.
2. Ergonomics and comfort is simply better, having that trackpad on Deck is nice but I use joysticks 95% of time than trackpads, sacrificing their positioning not ideal for me.
3. Ally speakers simply alot better, Deck OLED improved over Deck but Ally still ahead in this
4. CPU boost "off" performance simply exceed deck even at 15W and at 22W it's not even comparable
5. Having windows simply makes life easier outside of gaming, Desktop experience of Deck exceeded my expectations but Windows still way ahead in desktop mode
6. Game pass, this is big one to me, in a handheld I like to try multiple games sometimes, game pass enables that for me for cheap and now the app runs so seamless on Ally makes it even better
7. Charging speed is something I didn't like Deck on, expected better tbh, while Ally spot on, but battery size plays a role also in here, so still prefer having Deck battery over Ally charging speed
the reason I love Deck OLED more is because how impressive battery management is, I used to carry Powerbank with Ally all the time but with Deck OLED I forget about it..... I didn't expect Deck to have as many game launching issues as I faced but once they solved then it's not a problem anymore, Ally is same experience once it's setup properly like I did, it's just a sweet little device
Overall my ultimate device will be: Ally with Deck OLED battery life..... Hence I said to me Ally is the best still, but I love Deck OLED more, it's like a slower more fun car vs a car Better in every way but less smiles
@@jinx20001 Honestly, the Ally is better plugged in, but the OLED is the better handheld. Better battery life, better ergonomics and even the weight is the same if you got the Limited Edition OLED despite a 25% bigger battery. I'll take the OLED all day every day. VRR is nice but I never run with my frame rates uncapped because it crushes the battery anyway.
I'm looking to get a Legion Go though. That big screen is a real differentiator and I'm willing to bet the performance will be as good or better than the Ally with some software fixes.
what was the Ally vram setting? may explain some of those lower fps compared to the SD in some of those games. Also if you can add more games that recently came out like Baldurs gate 3 to your benchmarks would be very appreciated. Want to see how the SD runs newer games as longevity is also a factor to consider when purchasing. As valve stated no true successor in the near future.
Hey, it's at 5GB.
i watch like that not use fully % gpu woah on the ally
Are you sure that you use OpenGL for the ally in doom? Or maybe Vulkan?
Is this ally z1 or z1 extreme on benchmarks?
Can you do the test plugged in (for oled and Z1 extreem) to see whats best case scenario.
This will show what you get when docked.
The 15w and 30w comparisonnis welcome. Imo just missing the docked performance comparison.
Hola! Gracias por el vídeo amigo
Backed the OnexPlayer X1, cant wait to see its 10.9inch 1440p Ltps Lcd screen.
is this the Ally Z1 regular or the Extreme?
23:08 "double framerate double power"
Except the ROG Ally would probably run within 10% of the same performance at 20 watts as it does at 30 watts, while getting (approximately) 1.5x better battery life.
The Z1E chip is almost always going to give you the best performance per-watt at 20 watts.
Similarly Steamdeck usually sees diminishing returns in performance per-watt when power draw is above 10 watts.
I agree, I never use 30W. The only reason I test it is because most people will just use the default profiles and Turbo is 30W. I prefer 17W at 900p myself on the Ally. I feel it's a great mix and I use RIS (Radeon Image Sharpening) so it looks extremely close to 1080p and awesome FPS :)
How the hell do you not have more subs.
Where the hell are 1% lows ? This is so important in this kind of benchmarks !
What bio's version are you running on the Ally if you mind me asking?
Hey, it's 334. Which is pretty close in performance to 335 and 333. It's been just small bug fixes.
Great work!
Hello, rog Ally got better performance on last update with 15w? :O :O
Thanks!
Super interesting behavior between the 12w and 15w. The ROG Ally seems to struggle at 12w compared to the steam deck but at 15w it seems to gain a much better bump to performance over the steam deck. My take away is that 15w is the sweet spot for the Ally.
The SD performance is impressive! Personally, if I didn't already have so many games on Xbox and Gamepass and didn't get the Ally for such a super low price? I would've definitely chosen a SD OLED. Couldn't justify re-purchasing so many games on Steam for hundreds of dollars.
It has surprised me as well. I've been blown away by what it can run and how long the battery lasts. And I completely get not wanting to re-buy a bunch of games. The Xbox is also an awesome console for 4k gaming. Super quiet and amazing graphics. If I wasn't solely in the Steam eco system for games, I'd have gone the microsoft route.
Are you going to do some testing with the XG Mobile (or have you already). I recently broke down and got the 3080, and it’s pretty slick.
Hey, yeah the 3080 is a BEAST! I can't believe how small it is, it's definitely "mobile" as it's as thin as the Ally. The only thing I don't like is the fan is pretty loud in Turbo.
It's awesome that it scales with the power settings. I've been using G-Helper and running Balanced / 17W. So it gives the CPU 17W, the temps are great and the 3080 stays relatively quiet.
Another thing I've been doing is putting the system in Hibernate mode instead of shutting down. For some reason every time I restart or shut down the device, it duplicates the displays. Hibernate saves the settings of only displaying to the external monitor.
@@filt3rless ah, I’ve noticed that dupe window quirk too! I thought it was just me. To me, the XG Mobile experience really transforms the Ally quite a bit, and it gives it a huge boost in terms of usefulness over the Deck and others. I’d love to see some useful content around it, if you ever decide to do more with it. I don’t see much content in the XG Mobile with the Ally outside of some comparisons and performance benchmarks. But having some deep dives, tips/tricks, etc…that could be really useful (and unique) content.
Keep up the good work dude.
@@cloudcultdev Thanks man :)
Very few devices make me feel that "wow" factor and the XG is one of them. I was just realizing it's more portable than just the power brick I have to carry around for my gaming laptop... Amazing.
I'll probably make a video on it. One thing that is an issue is plugging in a fast SSD to the USB ports. The connection speeds seem to drop to 0 frequently making it where loading steam games off an external SSD is a poor experience.
Also one last tip that you probably already did, but you'll want to use "Auto" for VRAM so you get access to the 16GB's of system memory. With the Ally set to 5GB, it'll still have all that ram dedicated to the iGPU (which isn't in use). And Auto works pretty well now for handheld play when you're not docked to the XG.
@@filt3rless yeah that’s a really good tip. I had to look back at my Ally; I still had to hard set to 5G. So glad you said something. I think a video about the XG Mobile with the Ally specifically would be really useful (but realistically there’s probably not a lot of us out here, honestly). I’d be curious how it doesn’t you post it up. I’m pretty happy seeing your channel grow…been here since pretty much the beginning.
@@cloudcultdev Thanks, I'll probably do a video on it even though like you said it's a very small amount of users. But it'll still help everyone who has one out. I found I prefer G-Helper as well for connecting/disconnecting as it's more seamless and gives you more control over the GPU.
Does turning off turbo boost help in some of these games that don't need so much CPU horse power? I wonder if that's a factor as it should allow the GPU to boost up higher
From my testing having CPU boost off can help with stability. And it allows for the device to use less power/heat when capping FPS. There is much more of a bonus having it off than having it on in my opinion. Even when I emulate BOTW I prefer to leave it off and have slightly lower fps but better temps.
I really wish you would clarify in the title or in the description if it's the Ally Z1 or Z1 Extreme. It makes so much more sense to compare the Z1 non-extreme to the Steam Deck.
When you ran tests with SteamDeck and Ally, did Ally run on Windows, or on Linux (I.e. Nobara Linux)? I mean some games run better with proton wrapper under Linux, than with native DX12 under Windows. So large difference between Deck and Ally in some games can be because of this.
Hey it's running windows. I have thought about trying either Nobara or ChimeraOS again to see the differences. I might make an entire video specifically to that type of test (as I have a lot of additional watt settings and 900p tests I didn't show in this video).
2 years of owning my original 64 gig SD and it is still going, not one sungle issue in all thst time, 9 months of having 2 Rogs were both would overheat and destroyed two 256 gig SD cards and one just outright stopped booting........as you can imagine the Rog is gone, SD all the way from here on in, oh and my 64 gig SD uses a 14in portable oled monitor these days, pure bliss.
Can u compare steam deck oled, Rog ally, Lenovo legion go please
Which ally is this? The z1 or the z1 extreme? You need to be more specific because of the two ally variants
Hey, it's the Z1 extreme.
Thanks again for your work. Thing is the Deck sees virtually no gain after 12w. Even at 10w to 15 the gain usually isnt huge. So for the deck you essentially can run games at 10w that the ally runs at 15w at the same or near same fps giving a huge battery advantage. While i am done with the Candy bar style handhelds, if i did buy another one it would be the oled deck simply because of battery and steam OS. If you play plugged in all the time, then the Ally should be the winner for you.
You are done with the candy bar handhelds ? What do you recommend ?
@@BuDDaHStefaN There arent a lot of options just the gpd win mini and the upcoming aya flip. I have the mini coming in. Its still a 7" screen but the size of a xbox controller while folded. Just more narrow. The phawx has a few videos on it. I loved my deck and really liked the ally, but portability just was bad with both of them. Was annoying to carry them in their cases every day. I hope nintendo's next system is a clam shell and that will change the entire industry as they all copy what nintendo does.
@@creaturecore13 My only problem with those clamshells is ergonomics are terrible on them. I'm spoiled by the Steam Deck, Nintendo has never cared much about ergonomics and I have adult sized hands.
@@Invid72they are the size of an xbox controller, so if your hands cant fit on an xbox controller i don't know what to tell you, but fairly certain your hands aren't as big as you think they are. That said i would never recommend a Chinese handheld to anyone that doesn't know what they are doing with these devices. So if you arent versed in fixing windows issues stick to the deck.
@@creaturecore13 There's more to ergonomics than size. If you like clam shells feel free to like them. I think they have serious balance issues but you don't have to.
Fixing Windows issues isn't difficult, I just don't want to when there are better alternatives that have controller-first UIs. I wish the Chinese mfgs would put more effort into their software: You can change settings, launch and kill apps, change windows and never take your hands off the controller with the Deck. That's what I mean by controller first. That will probably need Microsoft to make it happen though.
What real time monitor are you using on ROG ally?
Hey it’s a program called Riva Tuner, I spent a long time creating the custom layout you’re seeing though.
I thought the steam deck screen resolution can’t go up to 1080p.. thought that was one of the complaints against it when Ally came out
You can connect it to external display
OpenGL renderer in Doom is notoriously inconsistent and can yield inconsistent results depending on a lot of factors. I reckon that with Vulkan you'll see different numbers on both. Already downloading the game on my LCD Deck (while eagerly waiting OLED to finally arrive) to compare it myself 🙃
Just tested it on my LCDeck and yes, OpenGL is a stuttery mess with all kinds of framerate issues, while Vulkan runs at perfect 60FPS even with Ultra graphics preset
Considering where the ally started this is pretty impressive. Games that leverage the extra cores of the ally are probably why the performance varies. Steam deck is a great device but i really wanted to buy one in person so i went with the ally
@filt3rless How are you getting your temperature to be in the 70's when I turn on 30watt my temperature goes up to 80 to 90 degrees.
Hey, I have it locked to 30 watts. If you pull up the Asus monitor you'll see it goes to 43 watts for 2 minutes causing it to get really hot.
Z1 or Z1 Extreme?
Please do a video comparision between rog ally & onexplayer fly
Can you add Arkham Knight to testing? You need to play with settings but, you can find optimized ones. I am going to look for them, if you notice this comment.
Was the ally stuck at 800mhz for gpu? it seems to happen to a lot of people and you have to reinstall chipset drivers to fix which i had to do before
That's why its important to show the actual CPU and GPU clockspeeds in Afterburner, this could clear up some confusion. Anyways, most of the time where we don't see much FPS gain from 15W to 30W on the ally, the RAM speed is the limiting factor.
@@samserious1337 Yeah his insurgency test fps is lower than my ally so that made me think it was not running correctly
how much FPS do you think you lose from this issue?
@@OblivionPrime Sadly I can't verify those benchmarks since I don't play these games. If thats the case, then he should retest some of them.
@@Muhluri Im getting 70-80fps on insurgency low preset using a 1080p monitor and performance mode (15w) on a local bot match (think its the same map used in video) my bad i forgot performance mode goes to 20w than down to 15w so at actual 15w its 50-60fps 1080p low preset gpu is about 800mhz at 15w at manual 30w its 80-90fps 1080p low preset
Wait did you use the non extreme or extreme ally for this comparison?
It's the extreme version.
Does anyone know what the avarage battery lifespan expectancy is for the Steam Deck if you are constantly charging and draining the battery. Maybe Valve should have an battery care 80% charge limit like a lot of phones and the ROG Ally has to preserve battery life. I have seen YT vidoes on changing the battery and the average joe would find it very difficult and risk damaging the device.
I do have the LCD version but I don't use it much but if like some that use it everyday I would worry about the battery life deteriorating over time.
That would be a great feature for Valve to add as I'd like for it to only charge to 80% instead of topping off to 100% over and over when I plug it in.
@@filt3rlessthere's a mod for SD called Power Tools and it can set a limit to 80% or whatever value you specify
Actually the Steam Deck has that feature. It's in an app called the Decky Loader which has various add-ons. One is called Power Tools which brings the 80% charge limit to the Steam Deck.
The performance on my LCD SD is just fine for my needs however the cooler temps of the OLED model are appealing.
I feel like I’m cooking my SD sometimes and I kinda wish I could get the same performance but with cooler temps
Actually oled performance is not different than lcd the 6nm not happening on snapdragon same as AMD but they said it's for downloading system not gpu turbo
I did notice one thing. During one of your games you had such a good FPS on both steam decks but lower ok the ally. Looked closer and you were at about a 6GB v ram vs right below 4Gb vram on the ally. This may have been the difference. I don't know If steamdeck makes it valuable based on need or based on game settings.
cryoutilities can do even more to improve this
The battery itself and the optimised gameplay at 15w is already a win for the deck. its a mobile device you're purchasing
Wonder how the Z1 Ally does in these tests.
SD are very good at low TDP but way more hotter (20° more on SD @12W!!) and VRAM's consumers than Ally.
Ally is way more versatile IMO, happy with mine :)
its kinda wild how good the steam deck is at lower wattage, we know the ally and other 7840u devices need some juice to wake up properly, most likely thanks to the extra cores that all need juice for stability. Im always impressed how good my deck is at low wattage, some games i can legit play at 3w and get 12 hours out of the battery, my ally needs 10w just to get going really, i can play some games at 7w like dead cells and achieve 4 hours battery or so but its just not performant at all below 10w. I think the decks performance at low wattage is more impressive than the ally at 30w plus because with all that juice the only thing you can think of is that battery drainage, you can almost watch it drop in real time its so bad. The extra power is nice to have but really not realistic away from the wall. In the real world the deck kills it.
with Ally, do you prefer bios 324 or 335? I afraid that the number of FPS are less with the last firmware. thank you
Hey, OkestGamer tested it and there was no difference. It was just a bug fix so it should be fine to update :)
thank you@@filt3rless
sorry but I see only the comparation between 334 vs 335 firmware and not 324 vs 335... it's correct? @@filt3rless
@@vittoriodecristofaro6685 Hey, are you talking about 323? I don't think a 324 bios version ever came out, or at least I didn't see it. It went from 323 to 330.
@@filt3rless you are right sorry! i Have the 323, however: I see three video: 1: ROG Ally - Bios 323 vs 330 vs 333 = the 333 have AVG 3 fps less with 4 degrees plus; 2: Bios 333 vs 334 | Same Performance = the FPS AVG is the same; 3: ROG ALLY Bios 335 vs 334 Safe to update? Performance benchmarked = the FPS AVG is the same of Peter in 334. Thus: 335 is similar to 333 and 333 is inferior to 323 I thought since there is no video on TH-cam between 323 and 335 that 323 is the best: is this correct or am I wrong? - I don't know if I managed to explain myself thank you very much in advance :)
The Ally at 15w seems like a sweet spot.
15W is a great level, I also use 17W as it gives a little bit more performance. My personal watt settings are 12W (for battery), 17W (for most use cases) and 25W (for performance).
Thank you for making this. I have no doubts now that the ally is the handheld for me.
Just want to know if it was Ally Z1 or Z1 Extreme?
This was the Z1 Extreme.
Was CPU boost enabled when testing Ally?
Yes
could you still recommend the lcd deck or is it better to wait for the oled. Let's take into consideration that it'll take around a year or more to get to my country the oled
Honestly I stopped using the LCD because I couldn't stand the screen. So I had not been using the SD for at least 8 months or so. I've been using the heck out of the OLED as I love it.
For me it's not just the colors, but it feels more responsive as well. The input "lag" on the LCD was too much for me. The OLED at a 45FPS is perfect (as the screen still refreshes at 90Hz).
So it'll really depends on the screen. Other things like battery life, fan noise, etc are a bit better. But the screen for me is the deciding factor. The LCD isn't bad though, so if you're wanting one, it could be worth going LCD for now to see if you like Steam OS / Steam Deck.
@@filt3rless LCD is not a deal breaker for me, but if there's a big difference in performance I'll definitely wait for the oled
@@joaquincaceresguibovich3182 The performance is almost the same. I think the OLED is around 5% faster overall, so not much. The main upgrade of the OLED is the screen, more power efficient chip and better battery life.
It could be worth getting the LCD. I enjoy using Steam OS a lot for it's console like experience. Some games don't work (especially anti-cheat games), but overall I find myself using the OLED a lot.
Is this ally extreme or non extreme
Steam Deck gets 90-95% of its perf at 12w. Going to 15w is almost useless. At 12w the fan is quiet and battery life is 2hrs minimum. Its crazy how performance Valve made thw thing on such low power.
What is avg battery life you can see running decent settings on red dead and other aaa games
I'm working on an in-depth OLED vs Ally battery test right now. Testing heavier games like Insurgency Sandstorm, and then much lighter games like Stardew Valley.
Interesting how the Ally's CPU is usually under 50% usage
Zen 4 IPC is more than double the Zen 2, probably why it doesn't have to work so hard.
When playing a CPU intense game and limiting watts it can become CPU bound. Which is why you'll see the usage drop. You get a lot more per watt when the game isn't taxing the CPU much and instead loads the GPU up.
Great video, basically 12w Steam Deck does better, 15w-30w the Ally does better, was expected to be honest, love my Ally, asus really paying attention to the costumers and giving us all the updates, heavier games we can really appreciate the extra performance, no complaints at all, the performance just got better with all the latest bios and updates, Last of Us Part 1, Resident Evil 4, Village, Halo Infinite, Crysis Remastered Trilogy, Doom Eternal, etc everything runs fast and smooth well above 60fps mostly on the heavier titles, wouldn't mind having a deck to try it though, not hate at all, but performance i prefer the Ally, pretty used to windows and everything else
The Ally is superb for more PC like performance. I like the OLED a lot too as it gets really good battery and is much more console like. But it's also limited in some ways.
And like you said Asus has really improved and refined the Ally. The only thing I'd like to see now is a TDP slider that uses the quieter fan curves. So we can quickly adjust the TDP from command center to any level we like (like what's on the Legion Go).
Thanks for swinging by and glad you enjoyed the video :)
@@filt3rless well since the updates I've been messing around with the 15w performance instead of the 25w turbo and I'm quite surprised, I don't know what asus is doing but it's working, on some games I get double the battery life and not much loss in fps, about 15-20fps less, sometimes smaller gap and great battery life, keeping the same preset for me 900p is the sweetspot, runs and looks great in every game, mostly mid-high settings, great video and comparison, a glad to see someone giving some love to the Ally some of the deck community have some real " hate " for the Ally 😅 I don't get it, it's a great product, wasn't perfect at launch, but right now ? Nearly perfect, just runs better, smoother, at a higher resolution and refresh that's just facts some people can't accept it, that doom 2016 caught me off guard, the gains with the extra performance in some games are crazy
@@RubenNeves22 Awesome, 15W is great now. It used to not be that great, but at 900p it works really well. I've even found some games run at 12w pretty good. In one of my tests the Ally actually got the same battery life as the Steam Deck LCD model. Which is pretty impressive.
And the Ally IMO is still one of the best windows handheld. You get VRR, unbelievable sound, controls feel great, it's still portable (not too big), useful software, it's very easy to take apart and replace modular parts, etc.
I feel like Asus focused on actually playing games more than any other windows handheld. They give you the core things that matter most for a "handheld".
@filt3rless that's true, the fact that is smaller and lighter does make a huge difference, the Deck, Legion etc side by side are alot bigger, some of them I even consider that defeat the purpose of being an actual hand-held, I think even in 2024 the Ally is a good contender and buy, beats most of the competition
ROG Ally is being improved to run on 15W.
Even though OLED performs slightly better than Ally, it also runs at higher temperature.
Nice
i went with the Ally over the decks recently and i regret nothing. I got it open box at best buy and since it was one of the early models (z1 extreme, tho) it had the SD card issue so i sent it back for free repairs. That being said, it ran both regular games and emudeck emulations like a dream til then and it seems to be getting a lot of support from Asus with loads of updates since launch and recently they talked about adding AMD's FMF tech in a near-future update which would actually completely knock it out of the park for this things pricepoint. Can't wait to get mine back and continue adding loads of emulators on it, especially once i get that new 2tb sd card.
Hello there, I'm a user of Asus Vivobook 16 Pro OLED | rtx4050 | i5-13500H. Kindly help me out to enjoy this game. My Oled has some Auto HDR feature which ofcourse enhances my Warzone display. But I can't understand the Elden Ring. Can You kindly help me? Please. I literally want this to be the last game I finish before I enter my corporate nightmares. I want to enjoy the game ln OLED (hrd or no hdr depends on u). Just guide me to get a good gameplay experience without fps drops or display fading out.
18w 900p 6ram
Is the sweet spot made even better by having a VRR screen.
100%. I usually use 17W at 900p and 5GB of VRAM and it's an amazing experience. I can't decide which one I want to use primarily 🤣. If the Ally had the battery life from the OLED it'd be the easiest choice ever as that's the main thing that bugs me with the Ally.
i'm seeing that the games resolutions are on 1600x 900, that is 900p not 720. The games were running in 720 or 900p?
Btw, Nice job putting this all together.
Hey, the benchmarks were run at 720p and 1080p and I marked them at the bottom. I had run 900p benchmarks also and sometimes when I record the settings the game will show that, but the benchmarks are properly labeled.
Thanks for stopping by, glad you liked the video :)
The Ally should be much quieter in the case of 15W, shouldn't it? 80 degrees on LCD Deck vs 55 degrees on Ally - 29:12
Yes, the Ally is basically silent at 15W and the LCD is pretty annoying. The OLED is also pretty quite, but not silent like the Ally is.
That's a lot of work mate! Unfortunately this test doesn't make much sense for actual consumers simply because most of them will be using SD or Ally as console - e.g. running it in *native* resolution most of the time as that's the only option for not messing with antialiasing.
Also higher FPS is better doesn't work in portable world. Most gamers will be targeting 30/60FPS and then see how low they can set TDP while keeping target FPS to preserve battery life as much as possible. In that specific scenario OLED has 30 and 45 targets which will be automatically converted to 90Hz by showing the same frame 2 or 3 times respectively.
Ally is really nice device as long as it's connected to the power socket, but it looses most of its points when running off the battery.
Allly APU sucks for a Handheld. Low TDP is really important on a Portable Device
wow very impressive optimization valve has done on software and os level, imagine steamdeck with z1 extreme.
Sd can only go 15w?
Honestly, I think ASUS should take the "Z1 Mediocre", OC the crap out of it, sell it with no battery, and a super high performance cooling system in it's place. This would make it a handheld monster, at a price point that competes with the Steam Deck, and most Ally owners would love it, since everyone I talk to that owns one, plays plugged in all the time anyways.
It would also be much lighter, making it much more comfortable to hold for long periods.
They could take it even further, and sell it with no screen, and cut a deal with Xreal, to sell it with a pair of their AR Smartglasses, at a discount. This would reduce their product cost even further, making it that much more competitive with the Steam Deck, and would capture a part of the market that Valve likely won't address.
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Steam deck has surprisingly good performance (and battery life) when playing at a capped 40fps with vsync
I've really been enjoying it. I was playing a game called Dungeon Defenders last night and saw over 7 hours of battery left at a 45FPS cap. Then I loaded up Doom 3 and it was still over 6 hours. I played for a while last night and still have 86% this morning, crazy good battery.
@@filt3rless I had lcd I played silent hill homecoming and it's getting long time