The Current State of Comic Book Movies. | JOHN ROCHA | The Big Thing
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Comic Book Moves were in its prime from the start of Batman Begins up until Spider-Man No Way Home. Since then, there has been a rapid decline. Is it over? Or can it bounce back? Who has had the better run over the last few months? DC? Marvel? Will James Gunn fix DC? Will Feige drop some stuff of his plate and get Marvel back to its glory days? John Rocha joins Kristian Harloff on this episode of Big Thing Capes and Cowls edition.
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Kristian harloff and john rocha crossover is like what Green arrow and Green lantern crossover was in the comics, which is awesome, unexpected and a duo that i never knew i needed! ✌️
Lol
You must be new to the community. Welcome, friend! FYI, these two have been friends and been making content with each other for years. I recommend to watch the old Schmoedown stuff. Especially Rocha's legendary win for the belt
@@TheWhills Yes indeed i only was writing comments here and there but this time i start writing more comments under kristians videos! I actually watch him for almost over a year! 😂, dam what a great podcaster he is, hes one of my favs if not my fav podcaster actually, Just wish he would be as popular as someone like joe rogan to do more interviews and such lol, anyways, thx for the info probably might check the older stuff out if i will have the time (really bussy rn lolz), so again, thx for the info and peace! ✌️
Pretty sure Rocha got his platform bc of Kristian.
More like the batman v superman movie :p
Kristian, you and Rocha together again is pure gold..its great to see you guys back together again
Add Robert Meyer Burnett to this pair and I’d watch 500 episodes! Is there any chance???
This took too long...Rocha should be apart of the rotation
Two of my favorite Collider veterans 👍 Great discussion, hope you collaborate more often, even just over zoom.
Missed seeing this duo together!
Great way to end the week 😊
Great seeing Kristian and Rocha together. Fun conversation wished last longer. Great Conversations Great Show
Darth Harloff and the Outlaw, too awesome.
So great to see you and Rocha on screen and hanging out! More of this please!
100% this, but I think it’s become tougher bc Kristian’s in LA (basically) and Rocha moved to SD a little over a year ago(?) and I know Kristian isn’t crazy about digital, but that means Rocha having to drive up each time they get together. I don’t mean to be a killjoy bc I’m with you, but yeah... I wish it could happen more though.
@@Vulcanerd I am okay with Rocha having to drive for hours each time, and I’m sure everyone else will be okay with it too (except maybe Rocha) :)
@@alexp601 Lol, I’m sure all of us would be. Rocha with that commute and gas... maybe not so much. I’d be all for digital, but Kristian is just not a fan and, I get it, in person is so much better for sure, but if it means making this happen more... 🤷🏻♂️
Lemme reiterate what many in this comment section have already stated: great seeing Rocha & Kristian together again, shootin’ the shiz 👍
Thanks for that!
You know what I like? Fun discussion. What I also like, Harloff. Top that off with Rocha. 😊
Another awesome conversation with Rocha.
Nice seeing John outside the Green Screen Multiverse
I've watched this show twice today lol Kristian and John have great banter.
Them two together are Batman vs Superman dawn of justice - just the third act though just to clarify
I still watch Batman Returns more than any other Batman movie. Something about Keaton, Pfeiffer, Walken and Devito's performances just can't get enough of!
@@BizznessBoxyea idk about that but i respect your opinion
I'm able to watch stuff and enjoy it with respect to when it was made. I really like both the Burton movies.
@@BizznessBoxThat is blatantly false. Batman Returns is a genuinely terrible Batman movie where Bruce is one dimensional she it’s focused more on the villains.
This was great! Kristian and John together are great! Hopefully you can do this again
Man you see the difference in Rocha now. When he started being on 📷 at collider with Harloff. He definitely has more confidence. BTW I do watch Rocha on his channel.
Rocha exhausted me in the first 30 seconds that he started yapping lol
Love listening to John Rocha, thanks for having him on!
I'm going to have to think about a ranking list of all DC and Marvel films and shows to come out after Endgame, without moving the goal posts. Could be an interesting exercise
Thanks for having Rocha on the show! Love you 2 guys.
We get over an hour of Capes and Cowls, and Rocha!? Today is a good day!
I think Rocha is right on the money with Marvel right now. They tried to hire young writers with little experience to basically create an in-house writing staff. Which was such a dumb idea and was clearly just done to save money. I still think they can correct course especially with all the news about slowing down and hiring experienced writers on Blade, Fantastic 4, Thunderbolts, etc
John, it's ok to be a CIS gender straight male. Nothing wrong about that.
Not to speak for Rocha (don’t think he needs anyone to do that), but I don’t think he was saying it was wrong, just that his perspective is through that prism.
@@Vulcanerd I know, but these days, when I hear someone saying that sentence, it's always with a bit of negativity. And I think this has to stop.
Where Gadot is concerned: back when Jenkins had parted ways with them, Gunn responded to someone (on Twitter) who said they'd let Cavill and her go by saying, "Who said we were getting rid of Gal?" Granted that was awhile ago, but that's the last thing to come from him about it. If anything I think him not shooting the news of her staying down on Threads or Twitter like he's so quick to shoot everything else that's not true down means there's truth in there somewhere.
Woo Harloff and Rocha ride together again!
Also - where do I get that Zaflertenflaus shirt?!?
It is on my t-shirt store. Link in description!
The dynamic duo is back. Great show, gents
Great show.... natural conversation between friends..enjoyed it 👍🏽👍🏽
Enjoyable discussion. Very interesting takes from both you guys. Wouldn't mind seeing you guys on more topics in the future.
Love it when we get schmoedown royalty on the channel.
I was hoping Rocha would come rampaging into the studio with a folded chair calling out the “Commish” 😂
Rocha! Good to see the outlaw again
Fantastic conversation with two greats! So many topics I have questions about. 1) Did Steph say personally on Sith Council she didn’t want to review Ahsoka because of the strike? If so, I must’ve missed it. Don’t do other socials. SAG really needed to clear up some confusion on this matter. Obviously taking money from an AMPTP signee is bad but the lack of clarity is annoying. 2) Before Gunn was fired he was going to be be head of the ‘Cosmic MCU’ under Feige. Once Alan Horn fired Gunn a lifeline for Kevin was gone and we got Phase 4-5. Curious how different it would have looked if Gunn stayed at Marvel.
That Gunn cosmic head is wrong erroneous and has been debunked by Feige
Great show, I've come to appreciate Rocha's channel more (Geek Buddies really grew on me) and good to see you guys chatting.
Glad to see Rocha here!
BLACKLANTA HIMSELF JOHN ROCHA! gonna be a great episode
Love the Hot Mic debates, great chemistry as you say. Cheers Kristian!
The crossover we didn't know we NEEDED! More of this please!!!
Whaaa? Rochie? Long time no ver 😂
I saw Blue Beetle yesterday and LOVED it. Too formulaic and "been there seen that", but MAN did I enjoy the comedy and graphics and like you said Harloofe - FAMILY!
A DAMN UTTER SHAME not enough people will see it (and I know it's not the greatest thing since sliced bread, but it's good, man!). Just like Bumblebee was AWESOME and not enough people saw it! 😭
Harloff and the Outlaw together again, makes me a bit misty eyed. Bespin anyone?
It is great to see Kristian and Rocha have a sit down chat. I love the topics they discussed and hope they do it again soon.
Great episode. With John in san Diego make this atleast a monthly episode. Even if remotely. Thanks
Yes!! Awesome show! Hope Rocha comes back soon 🔥
All I care about is a Swamp Thing Movie, maybe another shot at John Constantine, and potentially a Justice league dark adaptation.
My two favorite boys, back together again.
good show, I would take Batman begins over the dark knight due to one thing, in Batman begins Gotham city feels and looks like Gotham City. In the dark knight, it looks too much like Chicago and less of Gotham City.
Yes exactly!!! Batman Begins got BM right
We all know it’s a rarity due to the distance but it’s awesome you had Rocha on. Loved the conversations and was nice to hear about how The Hot Mic came to be. I always enjoyed when they had John and Jeff together back in the day for mailbag so it’s great to see their success now.
I love it when Jeff goes off the rails on the Hot Mic. I don’t necessarily agree with him on a lot of things (but maybe more I do than don’t), but I appreciate Jeff’s earnestness and honesty (and his movie takes and scoops and...).
Legendary collab! Love this!
Interesting takes on Batman Begins. That was my favorite of the trilogy for years, until I went back recently and watched Dark Knight again. DK hit a little different with some time and distance from just how much I loved the first movie, and now it's maybe my favorite... but it's close.
I can't even fathom anyone thinking Begins is a bad movie -- he may as well be speaking a language from another galaxy. You not only get to see Bruce as a kid, but as a young adult struggling to find his way, and then his training arc, wrestling with how to balance his two lives, not to mention Cillian Murphy and Liam Neeson as antagonists. It hasn't aged a bit (whereas Batman 89 is fairly creaky).
Great Episode! Long time fan!
Awesome seeing you both together and great conversation!Thanks Harloff for introducing me to Rocha last year. I've been following his channel since. You're both hitting home runs every week.
Btw, if you enjoy Rocha’s take on shows and movies, he has another great show with a guy, Steve Morris, and the two do deep dives of classic movies on their Cine-Files show. Highly recommend.
Love that you were able to have Rocha on. Love the content from both of you.
Always great when the outlaw stops in the studio. Thanks for a great episode, always the best when you guys can just sit and talk and not worry about hitting talking points.
Great episode and great seeing you guys together on this show!
You and Señor Rocha! Awesome!!!👏👏👏❤❤❤
Loved this. You guys have great talks. Would love a regular show but happy to enjoy both channels
Fantastic content !! More collaborations with Rocha, definitely…thanks, Kristian
Loved to see two of my favorite guys on TH-cam! So much goodness here! Enjoyed every minute of it!
Great show love seeing Rocha on set
I constantly watch John Rocha's videos and Kristian harloff videos! This is great
I see The hot mic and Geek buddies. Love Rocha!
Great discussion but Rocha liking Thor Love and Thunder but not liking Batman Begins was... Interesting. To each their own.
My personal pick to direct Secret Wars is Phil Lord & Chris Miller but I feel like that’s not gonna happen cause they’re super busy with Spiderverse
I thought wakanda forever was fantastic. I personally think it’s bette then the first one
I'm sure Rachel Zeigler (sorry if that's misspelled) is just repeating what the "adults" around her involved with the movie are telling her. I'm not trying to be disrespectful by saying "adults" I just mean that for younger people we tend to still view people 10-15+ years older than us as the "adults". Im 28 and still feel mentally 21. If someone came up to me and said "I need an adult" I'd be like "I'll help you find one." lol.
If Rachel Zegler's career takes a bit of a nose-dive I wouldn't be surprised. Sheer hubris.
What is John's opinion on ufo's?
I believe in them and aliens, but I’m not sure we’ve been hiding info on them. My jury is still out on it.
I respect and admire Rocha as a man of integrity and strong human values. When something offends his sensibilities, he comes out (metaphorically) swinging. I surely understand Kristian's point on wasting energy on the various social media platforms. After a while it feels like boxing Jello. You come out frustrated and exhausted, and Jello is still Jello. That being said, sometimes it becomes impossible to let a morally repugnant statement stand unchallenged. Keep on keeping on Outlaw !!!
Yup, this is how I feel too (including Rocha). After a while, responding online feels like shouting into the wind, pointless, but at other times, like you mentioned, something strikes you as so wrong, you’re compelled to respond. And it may still be like boxing jello or shouting into the wind, but there’s something sometime that just can’t go unchallenged.
Great show today gentlemen! It was a great present on my birthday today to see John on the show great conversations as always!
happy bday! hope you get to eat your favorite food!
@@CalebByRamen thank you and I did!
Kristian and John on a show together is the perfect start to my Saturday. I agree with Kristian I'm not the biggest fan of Batman Returns and same with Rocha I see the Tim Burton films in the same light as older generations see the Adam West ones. A but campy but in a good way.
Amazing! I love seeing ROCHA here again!!
Great conversation!
Damn it’s good to see you and Rocha back on a show together 👏🏻
Great when y’all link up
You and Rocha make for a great pod duo. Thank you for this one.
Despite Sam Raimi's reputation, the guy actually has it in him to do more "mainstream" drama. People forget he directed the 1999 Sports-RomCom "For the Love of The Game" staring Kevin Costner, and 1998's "A Simple Plan".
This show is great. Really nice getting Rocha , you guys have excellemt rapport
As John Campea broke down, those Gun posts were saved in 2011 so they are older than that honestly.
Brett is killing it with the set design! The blue wall and grey curtains accent each other perfectly and really help highlight the books, pictures, and merchandise
Good to see John 🔥🔥
Great show guys, love to see the homie Rocha popping up anywhere.
I've come to disagree with Kristian's stance that the average filmgoer is not in-the-know enough to be impacted by the behind the scenes stuff. I think this used to be true, and was 100% the case pre-2000, but the modern average filmgoer has been skewing younger for the last two decades and Covid exacerbated that process.
Movio has done a few really interesting pieces on this, speaking with marketing executives in the film industry about demographics and one thing that's interesting is that the average age of pre-sales moviegoers has gone down significantly, from men in the range of 25 to 54 to a majority that is younger, aged 12 to 34 and this is largely because that older demo never came back from Covid. The main demographic that is driving ticket sales is an always online demographic that has grown up with social media now. So when Kristian says "My mom/uncle doesn't know who these people are" I don't think that matters because they don't create the majority of the audience.
I heard so much early this year that The Flash would do great because no none was aware of the behind the scenes drama because we live in a bubble, that movies historic flop is either because Ezra was on a crime spree or because the announcement of the death of the DCEU has ripped the interest from the public. Both of those explanations require that filmgoers at-large be aware of the behind the scenes stuff. Watching DC crash immediately after announcing that the films were no longer going to be kept in continuity and still thinking casual fans aren't aware of what's happening on social media seems largely incorrect to me.
To be fair, DC hasn’t had a film that’s done more than $400m worldwide in 5 years. Remember, Shazam 2 crashed hard and BB is struggling despite decent reviews overall.
I think people are just disengaged from DCEU.
Great to have John on. Met him and Matt in London when they did Top 10 live. 😎😎😎
hey guys, great show
Great discussion today
What a crossover!
Dorina, Queen of the Darkness coming for the Commish and the Outlaw for the Batman Returns slander~ 😂❤
Don’t say I didn’t warn ya!
THE OUTLAW!!!
Odds are Superman Legacy will be pushed back to 2026, due to the work stoppage. So there will be more room to breathe between Aquaman 2 and Gunns Superman. Maybe thats the space needed for the public to forget about the current DC struggles and a clean slate with Gunn and Co. Thanks for another great show, and its great seeing Rocha here! Always enjoy his takes on the industry.
James Gunn also said that The Dark Knight is not classic. He didn't want Affleck nor Cavill back. Then he change The Flash ending and took Keaton an Calle out of it. Even I tried to defend him in the past but you can't blame the people if the studio keeps messing with their favorite IPs.
Quality wise dc overall has been better than the mcu since endgame. The Batman is a top 20 comic book film for me and the suicide squad and peacemaker are both great and I love the first Shazam.
Rocha please come on here more often. Love you two collaborating
When you throw in DC animation. DC has outclassed marvel since endgame when it comes to overall quality.
Multiverse of Madness is a fascinating continuation to WandaVision. MoM is a perfect payoff to Agatha's cryptic warnings about the Scarlet Witch prophesy.
Wanda acts very similar to Agatha in MoM, which is something that I don't see anyone talking about for some reason. They both stalk an inexperienced yet formidable young woman with immense powers and feel deserving of that power. Now that Wanda has realized her mistakes, she will understand why Agatha acted the way she did and they can become besties again.
With this in mind, it's clear that Wanda learned a different lesson in MoM. She accepted the loss of Vision in WandaVision but still hadn't processed the loss of her children. The Darkhold enhanced her desire for some semblance of the happy life she experienced in Westview as an isolated fugitive between the two projects.
At the end of WandaVision, Monica says, "They'll never know what you sacrificed for them," which is a reasonable thing to say as someone who feels empathy for Wanda and a connection through similar experiences of grief. Wanda responds, "It wouldn't change how they see me." This shows that even though she feels remorse for her actions, she still feels vilified by the world and embraces it in MoM. Wanda goes on a quest to understand her powers, but in doing so, she inadvertently becomes the woman she was destined to be and goes on a quest for someone else's powers.
It was a perfect storm of all of these things happening at once, and it all goes back to Agatha, who indirectly mentored Wanda into becoming a power-hungry villain. A beautifully tragic story is told through these two projects, and WandaVision and Multiverse of Madness are great companion pieces, in my opinion.
They started writing the script for MoM before Wandavision even finished, and Sam Raimi admitted to never having watched the show. Fans can make connections and see a progression of the Wandavision story, but that isn’t built into the story of MoM.
@alexp601 It's all there if people would just look a little deeper. I just think people simplify it and say it's bad writing just because Wanda has a similar character journey and because she turns evil. The story is much more complex and intricate than that. She's so blinded by her grief that she even murders Monica's mother in an alternate universe, whose death in our universe was the reason why Monica felt empathy for Wanda and helped her in the first place. By the time Wanda is kneeling in front of her alternate self in her complete corrupted get-up at the end of MoM, Wanda's journey feels earned. She relapsed in MoM, and it was the most compelling way to move forward with the character. I'm just looking at the bigger picture, and I feel like this film is going to age really well in the future.
Holy schmoedown memories, Batman!
I agree that Batman 89 is outdated but it's still good movie. Prince soundtrack still great. All movies in 80s were campy wasn't until The Crow that darkness was put into Batman. Nolan Batman Begins side by side looks like the Crow.. even Joker looks like Brandon Lee
Thank you for giving Man of Steel the credit it deserves! People way oversell the “it wasn’t a financial hit” rhetoric. That’s absolutely not true. It made darn good money. 👍
Great episode
Always great to see John Rocha ❤
Blue beetle just passed 90 million it’s joever.
Really enjoyed this episode. You should consider getting Mike Vogel on for a friday show.
Great discussion