The film makers subject Ripley to the most nihilistic tragedies to keep her in the story. "Sorry, Ripley, your daughter died since the last movie" "Sorry, Ripley, Hicks and Newt died since the last movie" "Sorry, Ripley, you died since the last movie"
That's more of a testament to how shit general media has become. Independent creators provide better content than the corporations that only care about revenue.
This sounds strange but I think Alien3 would have been widely accepted if it had been the sequel to the first Alien. The problem with Alien3 is that it followed Aliens. In that movie Ripley got a happy ending and we liked that. But Alien3 kicks us in the nuts at the very start by killing off Hicks and Newt.
It is not all that weird at all, I was thinking the same thing, that if it had fallen in the 57 year period she went missing, but the theme of her being infected would be lost. The tone is misplaced after 2.
I think if nothing else, it's slow pace would have gone over better following Alien. But after Aliens, people went in thinking they were going to get more over-the-top action.
Not necessarily strange because it's a tone thing of what people expect. Alien was a certain kind of movie, Aliens then changed that tone to different direction probably losing fans of the first, but also gaining new fans in process. After Aliens many people surely expected something similar with the next movie (more action like before), but it was quite different. But also that thing you said about killing Hicks and Newt off screen nullifying the conclusion of previous movie, that is always a bit crappy thing to do. Btw, between the book/movie etc. character you were expecting/liked happened to died away because plot conveniences, too bad.
I dont understand this joke at all, can someone explain because it got an actual knee-slappying guffaw from the crit and search didnt help me understand :(
@@fredgarv79 If you decide to wear a kilt, just a heads up, there are women who aren’t afraid to check if you’re going commando and to beat you if you aren’t. I’ve seen it happen dude. It wasn’t pretty.
@@himwhoisnottobenamed5427 I did buy a kilt, one with a velcro snap so you can adjust it. I was very tempted to just show up at my job with it on but, my legs are just too skinny to pull it off. not a good look, skinny bony legs with a kilt so I don't think I"d have to worry about women wanting to check me. Kilts should only be worn on burly men with beards
When this came out, everyone was expecting another Aliens, and it wasn't even another Alien; I remember the disappointment as I sit in the cinema. There is a special edition, which was put together using Fincher's original notes and script, and which he himself, approved of (though he wasn't involved in it, himself). I've seen it, and it is a huge improvement on the the theatrical version. If you're going to watch Alien 3 I recommend the special edition.
@The Elder Alien 3 Special Edition (2003). David Fincher wasn't involved in the cut; but it had his blessing. Running 30 minutes longer than the original version it's also known as the Assembly Cut, and was supervised by Charles de Lauzirika.
Listening to Drinker and Dankula talk, I'm reminded of quality times down the boozer in Edinburgh for many years, chatting shite with mates. God I miss that place!
“Alien 3” is definitely the most dour and depressing film of the entire franchise. It is definitely not as good as the first two, but it is still better than every other “Alien” film that came afterwards, in my opinion. The best part of the movie, for me, was the soundtrack. Elliot Goldenthal’s music really put the stamp on the tone and atmosphere of the film, emphasizing its overall fatalistic sense of impending doom. The final track, “Adagio” does give us the sense of ultimate victory and the relief that comes with it, but it is tempered with the sadness that came from Ripley’s ultimate sacrifice. Goldenthal did an absolutely incredible job scoring this film.
I dont know, Alien 3 always bores me to death and is like you said super depressing, so as shitty as Alien 4 is i prefer wacthing it over 3 any day. But i still hoped we would get another good Alien Movie like 1+2 after that, sadly it got even worse. Alien 5 must be one of the worst Movies i saw in Cinema and pretty much killed love for going to Cinema.
I feel Alien³ gets a bad rap. I highly recommend watching the making of documentary from the box set. All the difficulties that the production had was ridiculous. The fact the movie got made at all is a minor miracle.
I always had a soft spot for it. Namely because I can respect a trilogy that at least gave us a conclusion to a character. Too bad the owners of the franchise didn’t take the hint.
You asked why Sigourney Weaver did Alien Resurrection. This is from IMDB: Sigourney Weaver originally refused to do a fourth Alien film. When asked why she changed her mind, she replied, "They basically drove a dumptruck full of money to my house".
Listening to them talk about how the Wayland Utani Corporation keep costing themselves so much going after the Alien made me realise that the company are the Team Rocket of the Alien universe, constantly getting themselves wrecked trying to catch Pikachu when they'd be more profitable doing literally anything else.
This movie is so underrated. I'm not saying it's a good as the first or second, but it is no where NEAR as bad as its reputation and nowhere NEAR as bad as Resurrection and everything that came afterwards.
100% agree, I think it's the most underrated film of all time. It's nowhere nearly as good as the first two films, but it's at least a 6 or 7 out of 10.
@@alan74453 Thanks. Yeah, this was a huge example of studio interference. A thousand and one ideas in development, screenplay by committee, and horrible editing after primary photography was completed (resulting in many of the inconsistencies and plotholes and "missing characters" the guys mention), overbudget, out of time (resulting in ome of the bad effects) and I think the director had a borderline nervous breakdown trying to get this across the finish line.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Thanks. One more aspect I would add is the freakin' soundtrack. Love or hate the movie, turn the lights out and put on the soundtrack with good headphones and just bathe in the atmosphere, horror and sadness and "fallen angel" etheric beauty. I know a lot of my friends hated it straight off the bat because of what happened to Hicks and Newt. I get it, but also these Alien movies are supposed to b e kind of hopeless. Like Ash says in the first one ... "You have my pity." By the time the xenomorph makes its appearance, your time has already run out. The full cut is admittedly a little long, but addresses a lot of the issues. Maybe someone has a fan edit where the short version's "dog xenomorph" is still in it, but they have the middle section where the insane character actually gets out of the infirmary and releases "the Dragon" from the toxic waste bunker. That would probably be the best version IMHO.
I quite like this movie! Sure, it doesn't compare to the previous two, but I'll take it over what came after any day. I still have yet to see the most recent cut of the movie, and would love to see what was originally planned for the story. I would've made some different choices, particularly with Newt and Hicks, but I don't hate what we got.
You guys went on so many tangents, and I loved every minute of it. I couldn’t help but notice since Drinker is talking to a fellow Scotsman, all the yes’s turned to Ayes
Brothers And Sisters Are Natural Enemies. Like Englishmen And Scots. Or Welshmen And Scots. Or Japanese And Scots. Or Scots And Other Scots. Damn Scots They Ruined Scotland
The only true CGI shot in the movie is the shot at the end when the alien comes out of the lead, they poor water on him. The head dome cracks. That's the CG shot in the movie. The dodgy shots on the ceiling and when it crawls up to Ripley in the medbay are puppets digitally put into the shot. It looks like bad CGI but it's actually bad puppet and digital work.
I remember buying cinefex alien 3 edition and being quite impressed with the rod puppets they used ( i think it was Boss effects) but the end results were real disappointing in the final movie.
It could be just in the director's cut but there's an AWFUL cgi shot of the alien running off screen after it's born. Real computer-screensaver from the 90s level nonsense.
26:06 the Alien 3 xeno *wasn't* CGI (with the exception of the shot where it explodes after the lead bath), it was a *rod puppet* - they just integrated the puppet _really_ poorly into the live action footage, with awful edge masks The raw puppet footage they shot actually looked *incredible* - highly recommend people check out BTS videos of the production to see the raws Also; was very happy to hear the Earth Hive/Nightmare Asylum/Female War novels come up in this discussion... anyone who read them (or the Comic versions) knows this is the direction the cinematic universe should've taken.. props guys, fantastic stream ❤❤❤
I'm glad you brought this up (what was actually CGI). Reviewers often say things like "the practical effects are great FOR THEIR TIME" about other movies, but somehow Alien3 doesn't get a pass. I understand what people are talking about when they criticize the sfx, but I think they forget what the Alien3 makers were creating compared to the previous two movies and the praise heaped upon their sfx (and, for the record, I love those movies even more than Alien3). Alien had no full body shots of the alien that didn't look like a person in a suit and it was always slow moving. Aliens had only snippets and flashes of fast moving and highly-articulated aliens; in fact, the short cuts often probably gave the impression of fast movement instead of it really happening. Alien3, with the puppets, gave us long shots of the Alien doing things unseen before and nearly impossible to Cameron (much less Scott). I say, if you like Alien3, give it pass on the technical limitations (or even incompetence, if you're right about the edge masks), and enjoy and admire what was improved and accomplished. Watch the Special Edition, of course. What really made me appreciate Alien3 was getting a long-legged puppy. I saw her run and lope and it immediately reminded me of Alien3, esp right after the bursting out of the cow/dog. The puppeteers really captured what a real animal of that shape might look like running. IMO, it goes without saying.
I love Alien 3, and while I like Aliens, I don't like it nearly as much as most people. That said, they really should have found a way of starting 3 without killing off the characters of the preceding movie. Really, that was the only thing I didn't like about 3.
@@ressljs i saw Aliens when I was little and maaaaan, it blew my mind. I was hooked. I was about 8. Loved it! It has a special place in my memories that does. I then had to watch the others. Alien3 I must admit, it isn't a total catastrophe all considered. My older sister was a massive fan of it tbf so I ended up having to watch it quite alot. lol... heck it beat mary poppins for the umpteenth time (that mary poppins video tape got worn down to just static noise before the end she played it so much 🤣). Though I did feel while Alien3 had some problems (background noise being too loud is one of my biggest pet peeves beyond them killing the characters and that is a major one), I did like its grit and atmosphere overall. Then came Ressurection later on. Surprisingly lmao.... since it knew exactly what it was and didn't take itself seriously in the slightest, I was able to actually enjoy that too - "A beautiful butterfly!", and who could forget the classic "What's inside me?..... *they keep talking between each other* what's inside me?..... *more talking between each other*.... WHATS IN FING SIDE ME!!!!!!?" 🤣🤣🤣. Although I will admit, I did have to watch that one a couple of times with a considerable duration between the viewings because I absolutely loathed it when I first heard of it and stuck it on. Good grief.
@@MrJC1 Yeah, Resurrection had some stuff I absolutely loved, including the "What's f-ing inside me?! And I also thought it was interesting that they made a movie where everyone is absolutely awful. I felt bad for characters being killed in other Alien films, but in Resurrection, I was cheering on the aliens, "Yes! Kill them all!" I told one of my friends that and he responded that the crew of the Betty were the good guys. To which I said, "They kidnap people and sell them to secret military bases for experiments... And you think they're the good guys?!" I also liked bizarro Ripley. But for everything the movie did right, there was something REALLY DUMB.
@@ressljs Ron Perlman shooting the pistols upside down and somehow missing the black guy and dude in the wheelchair but hitting the xenomorph was too much. Also them having like a 5 minute scene where they’re holding their breaths under water and screaming and prying open doors... what a garbage movie.
@@Ithoughtthiswasamerica That, along with the scene where someone shoots a gun in the gym, and it ricochets 10 times before hitting one of the "bad guys" in the head is pretty standard for the director of Resurrection. But most of his movies are surrealistic fantasies where that sort of thing fits with the overall ridiculousness. It didn't work in an Alien film and I have no idea how the studio thought this guy was a good choice for this franchise. I like the directors other movies but serious scifi is not his thing. Just for reference, the movie he made just before Resurrection included the following characters: Seven narcoleptic clones, a talking disembodied brain in a fish tank, a crazy scientist that stole children's dreams and Ron Perlman cast as a retard.
Alien3 is the third best Alien film, much better than 4 and fifty times better than all the cash-in assaults on the franchise that have come since (Prometheus, Covenant, vs Predator, etc). It's the darkest and most grittily realistic of them all, and Weaver and Dance are pitch perfect in it. Ripley's death scene is one of the greatest in cinema, and a fitting end to her hero's story arc.
@@Zgmflegend Yes, James Cameron; the man that allowed Terminator: Dark Fate to happen. The man that endorsed Terminator: Genysis. His opinion matters. Also, don't you think that Cameron is the #1 person who would most likely be biased against Alien 3. Also, quite ironic that someone with your username would make the argument that a movie is bad because someone ELSE said so.
@@beardedbjorn5520 Alien 3 was already being made when T2 came out, so that's bullshit. And, don't you think that if Alien 3 would try to copy anything from T2, it would be the CGI? Also, Why would David Fincher want to copy some else's visuals? He is known for his unique visual style.
This movie failed from the start because they killed off the two characters from Aliens (Hicks and Newt) that we loved just as much as we loved Ripley. The cast was good but the writing was trash. The story was just superbad.
Eh, I liked the idea of being stuck in a place without weapons and having to figure out how to defeat a single Alien bringing back the horror and isolation of the first movie. The problem was the execution, it wasn't the idea from the start. Newt and Hicks could've sticked around in this plot. Also, the writing is still a million times better than all the Alien and AVP films that followed.
@@DeepEye1994 They didn't know where to go with the story or how to segue from Aliens, so they killed off central characters and tried to mitigate for this steaming pile of dung with quick cuts and bad CGI rather than good storytelling. This and all the 'Alien' franchise movies after it were just plain, unadulterated BS. I couldn't in good conscience compare this movie to 'Alien' the original. The first movie was cinema perfection. Everything about it was flawless. It was so good that every space alien movie and TV show after it was simply a copy. Alien 3 ruined the franchise.
I view Alien 3 and Resurrection as PTSD nightmares that Ripley goes through. Whether it be on the voyage back to Earth after the events of Aliens or just dreams she has had in the years since.
There was a deleted scene that was in the book that is sometimes on the DVD. Where they set up robotic guns in 2 tunnels that killed many aliens before they run out of ammo.
Agree that Newt and Hicks being killed off left a bad taste in my mouth and lost interest. Watched it years later to give it another chance and still think it is terrible
This movie almost broke David Fincher. One of the best directors of our time. We may have never gotten Se7en, Fight Club… because of this movie. If any movie deserves an episode of Production Hell… anyway, great banter dear Sir
I would like to see Fincher's version. I reckon if Fox wasn't financially banking on this movie like it was. We would have seen his vision on the screen. Fincher was also going to the horror elements seen in Scott's version. Cameron made a action movie which in general people are more accepting of. Horror is like dark chocolate some people like some people don't. Action movies are like popcorn they are more widely accepted by everyone.
It is so awesome listening to two Scotsman talking about how terrible this movie is. Wonderful conversation. I am a third generation Welshman which basically means I’m an American with welsh heritage. But it’s still refreshing to hear you guys talk. Thank you as always drinker. You are the best!
2:20:30 - there were facehuggers in Medical, not eggs. Dropships take 50 minutes' flight time to get from the Sulaco down to Hadley's Hope. And when Ripley went after Newt, the countdown was 11 minutes when she got on the elevator to go down. No way could Bishop have: * drugged Hicks * flown to the derelict * landed * exited the dropship * found a way into the derelict * found his way to the egg chamber * grabbed an egg (or two) * climbed back out * gotten back to the dropship * climbed aboard * hidden the egg where the humans wouldn't find it * hidden the egg where the humans wouldn't trigger it * taken off * flown back in time to save Ripley Even if he'd just flown to the bottom of the station and gone in on foot (somehow avoiding Ripley) and grabbed an egg from the Hive, he got torn in half as soon as he stepped out of the dropship! The egg cannot possibly have been in the hallway where they showed it! The whole movie is just Ripley's nightmare!
@@ressljs yes, but the child character was old, and guess they were scared to try to recast her (newt did a damn good job for a child actor, honestly, not sure it would have been easy to replace her)
@@miller-joel exactly, Ripley's last stand and heroic rescue of Newt was all for nothing. And to kill off Newt? Seriously? She went through all that to be killed off screen between movies. That's almost as bad as say... bringing palpatine back...
@@corycrandell2682 Everything and everyone in Aliens is destroyed and died for nothing. You thought those were brave and heroic sacrifices? Hudson, Vasquez, Drake, etc. Nope. You thought that was a redeeming act (Gorman)? Nope. None of them mattered. None of what they did amounted to anything. I don't understand how anyone can call themselves a fan and say they "love" this movie, or "it wasn't that bad."
I love "Scottish". One of my favorite vids is a Scottish pre schooler singing a song about throwing her grand mother off a bus...... grandpa beams with pride during the rendition. What other culture makes grand matricide so adorable.
Gonna nerd out here, strap in: So the mist surrounding the eggs isn't just an environment for the eggs themselves (keeps them in stasis for ad long as 100 years after being laid) but it also detects anything within it. That's why you see in one and two when someone "trips the sensor" the mist clears out (it actually goes into the eggs, waking them up). It reads the biometrics of whatever disrupted it and basically programs the facehugger specifically for that creature. I E. The facehugger will ONLY go after that creature or one like it. The facehugger can actually simulate, perfectly, the hosts natural environment. There is a comic where someone survived floating in space cause the facehugger fed him nutrients, oxygen and even kept his body temp up. They don't actually lay eggs, per say. It's actually this weird hodge podge of nutrients, amino acids, etc. Until the parasite forms it is, for all intents and purposes, cancer. Vigorous cancer. They face hugger constantly injects an enzyme that counteracts it. That's why removing them kills the host, quickly might I add. They basically "melt" from the inside out. It's also why the Xeno takes on characteristics of the host. The facehugger was pre-progammed specifically for that host. They do this to insure the Xeno has whatever it needs to survive in the hosts environment. Anyway...that's all I've got for today. Go away now! XD
Would like if you could talk to Count Dankula for all of these. He's got a good way of speaking. makes things very fun. edit: I've had this stream open for the last few days at work, listening off an on, it's very calming to hear both your voices in the background.
Got to love creators who make the time and effort to appreciate their audience...especially when they're too drunk and tired to find the live stream off switch. :o)
The Assembly Cut is absolutely just a longer version of the theatrical release. It does resolve what happened to Golic (though not the plot hole that the entire film needs to exist, in order to justify its existence), but other than that, it adds scenes that are just slightly different, longer, or worse versions of what was already in the original. When I finally saw the "cut" from the Quadrilogy set, I didn't get what people were on about, saying how much different or 'better' it made the film (it didn't).
I liked the atmosphere and the suspense of the movie, how it becomes hopeless for her and she's consumed and "impregnated" with the monster, it's like it didn't kill her yet but it ruined her life and let her contemplate her fate for a time, in a dark place where she can achieve redemption through loneliness. Her courage, strength, determination, and humanity is embodied by her decision to kill herself at the end.. it has a heroic and deep feel to it, very religious, very well done. Plus I never got bored, characters are well acted and it has its moments. Not my favourite obviously but an ok chapter imo But I love Resurrection to be honest, fun and cool movie like a comic book Alien on steroids, and very well directed. I get it I piss against the wind on that one lol
I gave this a like even though I disagree, because... oooooh it's a tough one. Alien Ressurection is my fav. paaahahaha. nah I am just screwing with ya. 🤣🤣🤣 Aliens! It has a special nostalgia for me, I saw it first when I was like 8yo and it blew my mind wide open! HOOKED!
Yeah the way I've always looked at it is that imo Alien is the best horror film ever made. Aliens is brilliant but it's not the best action film ever made to me that's Raiders Of The Lost Ark. Alien wins.
I liked the scenes in Resurrection about the colonist pods being hijacked and the colonists waking up to the flowering eggs. The horror of imagining yourself waking up in that situation, not knowing where you are, unable to free yourself, and then catching a face hugger shortly after. I think the movie could have been edited down to a five minute short.
I remember how excited I was for Alien 3. Then in the intro, having an Alien egg on board made me go, "What?! No way I believe some Alien egg is on the ship." Then they killed Newt and Hicks and from that moment on, the movie was dead to me.
@@SumDumGy The one thing you can say about Ricky, he has a sense of humor he will run with that joke and not be a pussy because I don't want to cause him offence.
Watched it 3 times and still hate it. Ruined Aliens ending, boring plot, hardly any gore, terrible special effects and an unsatisfying ending to Ellen Ripley. Diabolical film.
H.R. Giger made the Alien franchise all that it is. All of the creatures, the aliens, the xenomorphs, the set design of the Alien ship, the jockey, the hive. I can't imagine any other creator making the world of Alien so iconic, so emotionally impactful. The visuals alone were absolutely terrifying! You knew when you saw any imagery like that it was either the Allen's franchise, or an H.R. Giger project of some sort! Back in the days when the story, the visuals, the dialogue all followed the source material, and the story was the priority. Not check boxes, casting quotas, and adjustments for modern day audiences. I'm absolutely ready for this wave of Hollywood to go far far away!
13:00 - nope. The biggest problem with Alien³ is that stupid egg they shove into a hallway on the Sulaco, where no egg could *possibly* be, if you watch Aliens! The queen left her egg sac behind, and Bishop never had the time to bring an egg up, plant it, and then fly back again. The whole movie is based off that fucking egg (which, incidentally, opens with no stimulus), which means the whole movie makes zero sense. Then we add: the Sulaco is suddenly brown instead of grey; the name "SULACO" is suddenly white instead of black; the sleep pods look like the ones in Alien, not Aliens; Ripley is suddenly a Lieutenant instead of a Warrant Officer (no promotion was promised her); the facehugger lays *two* chestbursters; the creature keeps changing size from dog-sized to giant to person-sized, to giant to dog, back and forth; the M-41A at the end sounds like a Tommy gun instead of an Aliens pulse rifle; and the movie ends with Ripley... falling. Classic dream ending, no? The whole movie is nothing more than Ripley's nightmare.
A3 is a movie for people who done Need Nostalgia to enjoy entertainment, and when you are a child when you see it, in not so fortunate circumstances, it captures the claustrophobia and fear that a life you cannot escape forces on you
As no doubt mentioned in chat, now listening to this. But the Alien is a rod puppet filmed against blue screen and operated by 5-6 guys at the same time. Boss Film were hired, who no doubt Fincher knew from his ILM days on Return of the Jedi and they attempt an experimental technique technology using $10k Recordable Laserdisc at 480p to instantly see the footage and playback of the creature and insert it in. Subsequently it looks like crap. As much as I love that old format it can't hold up against fresh 35mm film stock and the light and texture is very much like "video" just a year later T2 happens and then Jurassic right after leaving it all looking dated quickly. The only single CGI shot is the cracking of the Alien Dome right at the end when the hot lead is going to be poured over it. It was a weird gone wrong idea that I'm surprised at Boss Film over as they usually use 70mm Film to composed a shot that way it holds up when downing to 35mm. So to kick off at 480p video?? I guess they wanted to get the work out faster than waiting for Dailey's to see the work. Kind of thing today a digital film maker like Fincher would almost take for granted. So good idea, just 15 years ahead of it time. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this one. Cheers gents!!! 🍻
I would think the respiration mechanism on the face-hugger would just be pumping whatever the atmosphere happens to be. Taking the air around it and pumping that, because it's a logical assumption that you encounter a species in its own native atmosphere.
There's one thing that makes Alien3 much, much better movie. It was all a dream. I'm serious, consider. Cryotubes at the beginning are way different to the ones on Sulaco, but very similar to Nostromo ones, where Ripley's living nightmare started. There is no conceivable way that the Queen would lay eggs on Sulaco before being ejected by Riplay in Aliens, but it is easily something Ripley would be afraid of. Similarly with Hicks and Newt's death. Even the fact that Alien looks terrible (CGI) and there are some holes in movie's logic. It all fits. Even Alien Resurrection, it is natural that another nightmare Ripley would have after literally dying in her previous one, would be to be reborn as part-Alien. The true Ellen Ripley is still stuck in her cryopod on Sulaco, dreaming, having nightmares, despite hoping she wouldn't have.
@Joocey Pale Boi It wasn't CGI - but no, they didn't fix the overlay masks, which is a massive shame because the puppet work was actually *incredible* if you go watch some BTS of the puppetry team
A staunch gun control advocate Weaver insisted on no glorifying of guns which is why they plonked her down in a gun-free setting. She also insisted Ripley had to die. So they killed off Newt and Hicks after she spent an entire movie turning her maternal instincts into a force of nature. THEN Weaver came back for the fourth film because, as Weaver put it, _"They offered me a truck load of money."_ Weaver herself destroyed the heroes journey, by selling out her personal values for money.
Man, so many "ayes" between these two! It's like a bunch of women in a room "syncing up", apparently get two Scotts together and they condense their Scottishness! XD
The armor the guys at the end of the movie are wearing are known as Monkey Combat Suits, they resist acid and prevent face huggers from attaching to their face.
I love how they become progressively more Scottish as the stream goes on.
The clue is in our host's name: The Critical DRINKER
I was going to say the same thing!
Honorary guest
Aye
You mean they get drunker?
I haven’t heard the word “aye” so many times since I was in USMC boot camp.
Aye
Eye..... damn got it wrong
Strange, they just said "nay" to me.
Rah
Aye Sir…
Dank quote: ''Giger, he definitely had some sketchy hard drives'' 😂
The film makers subject Ripley to the most nihilistic tragedies to keep her in the story.
"Sorry, Ripley, your daughter died since the last movie"
"Sorry, Ripley, Hicks and Newt died since the last movie"
"Sorry, Ripley, you died since the last movie"
2011: watching a movie.
2021: watching a podcast about a movie.
Yuup
That's more of a testament to how shit general media has become. Independent creators provide better content than the corporations that only care about revenue.
It's better than most movies nowadays.
Watching a podcast about THE movie
@@hariman7727it wecked the franchise
"I'd punch the shit out of Karl Marx"
B A S E D
"What kind of ANIMAL would do this to a Dog?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You meen the German Karl Marx?
@@kentxx12 No, the Jew Karl Marx.
@@bigtechisbigbrother8690?
@@adulescentuluscarnifex8412 !!!
I want to see an alternate version of Alien 3 whereby the Alien has been replaced by a viciously evil and racist N*zi pug dog.
Sounds like a masterpiece
Only if it goose-steps.
a pug dog that interrupts all humans, by slapping them and saying "we will ask the questions!"
The Alien in 3
Is a hybrid dog alien. Or an Ox depending on which cut. Imagine a hybridisation of the Nazi Pug and the Xenomorph!
“Goose-steps down the prison halls” instead of sieg heiling it hiss heils. 🤣🤣
"Danks finishing up some stuff hes got to do"
Bottle of buckfast and a spliff
This sounds strange but I think Alien3 would have been widely accepted if it had been the sequel to the first Alien. The problem with Alien3 is that it followed Aliens. In that movie Ripley got a happy ending and we liked that. But Alien3 kicks us in the nuts at the very start by killing off Hicks and Newt.
I think you're absolutely right
Valid point to a degree. It still isn’t very well made though.
It is not all that weird at all, I was thinking the same thing, that if it had fallen in the 57 year period she went missing, but the theme of her being infected would be lost. The tone is misplaced after 2.
I think if nothing else, it's slow pace would have gone over better following Alien. But after Aliens, people went in thinking they were going to get more over-the-top action.
Not necessarily strange because it's a tone thing of what people expect. Alien was a certain kind of movie, Aliens then changed that tone to different direction probably losing fans of the first, but also gaining new fans in process.
After Aliens many people surely expected something similar with the next movie (more action like before), but it was quite different. But also that thing you said about killing Hicks and Newt off screen nullifying the conclusion of previous movie, that is always a bit crappy thing to do.
Btw, between the book/movie etc. character you were expecting/liked happened to died away because plot conveniences, too bad.
The misadventures of Drinker and Dank 👍🏻.. Can't wait for the Black Widow flogging...
Wish granted. It has been done.
"it's just a room full of ricky berwicks"
jesus creeping shit, we're all going to hell for laughing at that
If you're gonna go, you go fucking big.
1:28:49
I've been saying for years since I found Ricky on Twitter he looked like a set piece from Alien Resurrection. Hes laughed at it before.
Honestly, he'd probably find the joke funny, knowing what little I do of him
I dont understand this joke at all, can someone explain because it got an actual knee-slappying guffaw from the crit and search didnt help me understand :(
“F off, Alien 3!” - Critical Drinker, Alien Covenant review
I can´t withstand much longer..... must... go... to Scotland.... must.... talk.... to.... scottish people.... and hear the accent XD
I´m loving it XD
must..drink...single malt scotch...when there....or anywhere for that matter.
@@fredgarv79 If you decide to wear a kilt, just a heads up, there are women who aren’t afraid to check if you’re going commando and to beat you if you aren’t. I’ve seen it happen dude. It wasn’t pretty.
@@himwhoisnottobenamed5427 I did buy a kilt, one with a velcro snap so you can adjust it. I was very tempted to just show up at my job with it on but, my legs are just too skinny to pull it off. not a good look, skinny bony legs with a kilt so I don't think I"d have to worry about women wanting to check me. Kilts should only be worn on burly men with beards
Finding out that Drinker and Dank are both 40K fans as well made my bishop stand at attention too...
Your bishop leans to the right, like all 40k fans 😉
When this came out, everyone was expecting another Aliens, and it wasn't even another Alien; I remember the disappointment as I sit in the cinema. There is a special edition, which was put together using Fincher's original notes and script, and which he himself, approved of (though he wasn't involved in it, himself). I've seen it, and it is a huge improvement on the the theatrical version. If you're going to watch Alien 3 I recommend the special edition.
@The Elder Alien 3 Special Edition (2003). David Fincher wasn't involved in the cut; but it had his blessing. Running 30 minutes longer than the original version it's also known as the Assembly Cut, and was supervised by Charles de Lauzirika.
The cow version of the alien birth scene sucks, though.
@Gary Green, Where do you find it?
@@emoishguy08 It's probably still on the ǝʇɐɹᴉԀ Bay.
@@garygreen5670 or you know for like 20$ on the internet... Bloody pirate
I want to see more collabs between you two, fucking hilarious.
Listening to Drinker and Dankula talk, I'm reminded of quality times down the boozer in Edinburgh for many years, chatting shite with mates. God I miss that place!
Same mate
Bucky by the gallon, heeds put on heeds and bawsacks chibbin bawsacks
Simpler times 😂
@@unbearifiedbear1885 I miss the Diggers and the Calandoinan pubs in Edinburgh. Don't know if they are still there/ 90/s man!
“Alien 3” is definitely the most dour and depressing film of the entire franchise. It is definitely not as good as the first two, but it is still better than every other “Alien” film that came afterwards, in my opinion. The best part of the movie, for me, was the soundtrack. Elliot Goldenthal’s music really put the stamp on the tone and atmosphere of the film, emphasizing its overall fatalistic sense of impending doom. The final track, “Adagio” does give us the sense of ultimate victory and the relief that comes with it, but it is tempered with the sadness that came from Ripley’s ultimate sacrifice. Goldenthal did an absolutely incredible job scoring this film.
I dont know, Alien 3 always bores me to death and is like you said super depressing, so as shitty as Alien 4 is i prefer wacthing it over 3 any day.
But i still hoped we would get another good Alien Movie like 1+2 after that, sadly it got even worse.
Alien 5 must be one of the worst Movies i saw in Cinema and pretty much killed love for going to Cinema.
The score is amazing.
I feel Alien³ gets a bad rap. I highly recommend watching the making of documentary from the box set. All the difficulties that the production had was ridiculous. The fact the movie got made at all is a minor miracle.
I always had a soft spot for it.
Namely because I can respect a trilogy that at least gave us a conclusion to a character. Too bad the owners of the franchise didn’t take the hint.
The subsequent movies are so bad that I start rooting for the alien.
You asked why Sigourney Weaver did Alien Resurrection. This is from IMDB:
Sigourney Weaver originally refused to do a fourth Alien film. When asked why she changed her mind, she replied, "They basically drove a dumptruck full of money to my house".
That's sad but true as well un4tunately
Listening to them talk about how the Wayland Utani Corporation keep costing themselves so much going after the Alien made me realise that the company are the Team Rocket of the Alien universe, constantly getting themselves wrecked trying to catch Pikachu when they'd be more profitable doing literally anything else.
This movie is so underrated. I'm not saying it's a good as the first or second, but it is no where NEAR as bad as its reputation and nowhere NEAR as bad as Resurrection and everything that came afterwards.
couldnt agree more.
100% agree, I think it's the most underrated film of all time. It's nowhere nearly as good as the first two films, but it's at least a 6 or 7 out of 10.
@@alan74453 Thanks. Yeah, this was a huge example of studio interference. A thousand and one ideas in development, screenplay by committee, and horrible editing after primary photography was completed (resulting in many of the inconsistencies and plotholes and "missing characters" the guys mention), overbudget, out of time (resulting in ome of the bad effects) and I think the director had a borderline nervous breakdown trying to get this across the finish line.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 Thanks. One more aspect I would add is the freakin' soundtrack. Love or hate the movie, turn the lights out and put on the soundtrack with good headphones and just bathe in the atmosphere, horror and sadness and "fallen angel" etheric beauty.
I know a lot of my friends hated it straight off the bat because of what happened to Hicks and Newt. I get it, but also these Alien movies are supposed to b e kind of hopeless. Like Ash says in the first one ... "You have my pity." By the time the xenomorph makes its appearance, your time has already run out. The full cut is admittedly a little long, but addresses a lot of the issues.
Maybe someone has a fan edit where the short version's "dog xenomorph" is still in it, but they have the middle section where the insane character actually gets out of the infirmary and releases "the Dragon" from the toxic waste bunker. That would probably be the best version IMHO.
I quite like this movie! Sure, it doesn't compare to the previous two, but I'll take it over what came after any day. I still have yet to see the most recent cut of the movie, and would love to see what was originally planned for the story. I would've made some different choices, particularly with Newt and Hicks, but I don't hate what we got.
When Dank said, "yeah I bet the windows in his house are f###ing spotless," I laughed so hard I nearly shat my new dungarees.
This conversation went completely off the rails from the topic and I loved every minute of it. 😍
That seems to be a sign of a bad or at least uninteresting movie :)
After 15 minutes in conversation with Count Dankula, already scottish Drinker started sounding progressively more scottish
That thumbnail is how I feel when I'm listening on my headphones and one of those Stacey Abrams commercials starts playing.
I still have yet to encounter one of those.
"You put the fooking drink in yer mouth and swallow it, it's easy enough man" I don't know why but that killed me. lol
You guys went on so many tangents, and I loved every minute of it. I couldn’t help but notice since Drinker is talking to a fellow Scotsman, all the yes’s turned to Ayes
This sounds like Groundskeeper Willie talking about Alien 3.
Grease me up, woman!!
Brothers And Sisters Are Natural Enemies. Like Englishmen And Scots. Or Welshmen And Scots. Or Japanese And Scots. Or Scots And Other Scots. Damn Scots They Ruined Scotland
Should have Dank on more often. I've never heard Drinker laugh so much
The only true CGI shot in the movie is the shot at the end when the alien comes out of the lead, they poor water on him. The head dome cracks. That's the CG shot in the movie.
The dodgy shots on the ceiling and when it crawls up to Ripley in the medbay are puppets digitally put into the shot. It looks like bad CGI but it's actually bad puppet and digital work.
I remember buying cinefex alien 3 edition and being quite impressed with the rod puppets they used ( i think it was Boss effects) but the end results were real disappointing in the final movie.
@DNO Elliott I often find Mel's expression in that pic fits my comments.
It could be just in the director's cut but there's an AWFUL cgi shot of the alien running off screen after it's born. Real computer-screensaver from the 90s level nonsense.
@@thepadster123it's a rod puppet, there is also footage of a whippet dog in a prosthetic suite too.
Boss Film talked big in Cinefex, but they failed to deliver; their live composites were terrible & most other optical shots were very scrappy.
26:06 the Alien 3 xeno *wasn't* CGI (with the exception of the shot where it explodes after the lead bath), it was a *rod puppet* - they just integrated the puppet _really_ poorly into the live action footage, with awful edge masks
The raw puppet footage they shot actually looked *incredible* - highly recommend people check out BTS videos of the production to see the raws
Also; was very happy to hear the Earth Hive/Nightmare Asylum/Female War novels come up in this discussion... anyone who read them (or the Comic versions) knows this is the direction the cinematic universe should've taken.. props guys, fantastic stream ❤❤❤
I'm glad you brought this up (what was actually CGI). Reviewers often say things like "the practical effects are great FOR THEIR TIME" about other movies, but somehow Alien3 doesn't get a pass. I understand what people are talking about when they criticize the sfx, but I think they forget what the Alien3 makers were creating compared to the previous two movies and the praise heaped upon their sfx (and, for the record, I love those movies even more than Alien3). Alien had no full body shots of the alien that didn't look like a person in a suit and it was always slow moving. Aliens had only snippets and flashes of fast moving and highly-articulated aliens; in fact, the short cuts often probably gave the impression of fast movement instead of it really happening. Alien3, with the puppets, gave us long shots of the Alien doing things unseen before and nearly impossible to Cameron (much less Scott). I say, if you like Alien3, give it pass on the technical limitations (or even incompetence, if you're right about the edge masks), and enjoy and admire what was improved and accomplished. Watch the Special Edition, of course.
What really made me appreciate Alien3 was getting a long-legged puppy. I saw her run and lope and it immediately reminded me of Alien3, esp right after the bursting out of the cow/dog. The puppeteers really captured what a real animal of that shape might look like running. IMO, it goes without saying.
Alien 3 killing off Newt and Hicks was like the Terminator abominations killing John Connor, or turning him into a Terminator. Pure Bullpoop.
I love Alien 3, and while I like Aliens, I don't like it nearly as much as most people. That said, they really should have found a way of starting 3 without killing off the characters of the preceding movie. Really, that was the only thing I didn't like about 3.
@@ressljs i saw Aliens when I was little and maaaaan, it blew my mind. I was hooked. I was about 8. Loved it! It has a special place in my memories that does. I then had to watch the others. Alien3 I must admit, it isn't a total catastrophe all considered. My older sister was a massive fan of it tbf so I ended up having to watch it quite alot. lol... heck it beat mary poppins for the umpteenth time (that mary poppins video tape got worn down to just static noise before the end she played it so much 🤣). Though I did feel while Alien3 had some problems (background noise being too loud is one of my biggest pet peeves beyond them killing the characters and that is a major one), I did like its grit and atmosphere overall. Then came Ressurection later on. Surprisingly lmao.... since it knew exactly what it was and didn't take itself seriously in the slightest, I was able to actually enjoy that too - "A beautiful butterfly!", and who could forget the classic "What's inside me?..... *they keep talking between each other* what's inside me?..... *more talking between each other*.... WHATS IN FING SIDE ME!!!!!!?" 🤣🤣🤣. Although I will admit, I did have to watch that one a couple of times with a considerable duration between the viewings because I absolutely loathed it when I first heard of it and stuck it on. Good grief.
@@MrJC1 Yeah, Resurrection had some stuff I absolutely loved, including the "What's f-ing inside me?! And I also thought it was interesting that they made a movie where everyone is absolutely awful. I felt bad for characters being killed in other Alien films, but in Resurrection, I was cheering on the aliens, "Yes! Kill them all!" I told one of my friends that and he responded that the crew of the Betty were the good guys. To which I said, "They kidnap people and sell them to secret military bases for experiments... And you think they're the good guys?!" I also liked bizarro Ripley. But for everything the movie did right, there was something REALLY DUMB.
@@ressljs Ron Perlman shooting the pistols upside down and somehow missing the black guy and dude in the wheelchair but hitting the xenomorph was too much. Also them having like a 5 minute scene where they’re holding their breaths under water and screaming and prying open doors... what a garbage movie.
@@Ithoughtthiswasamerica That, along with the scene where someone shoots a gun in the gym, and it ricochets 10 times before hitting one of the "bad guys" in the head is pretty standard for the director of Resurrection. But most of his movies are surrealistic fantasies where that sort of thing fits with the overall ridiculousness. It didn't work in an Alien film and I have no idea how the studio thought this guy was a good choice for this franchise. I like the directors other movies but serious scifi is not his thing. Just for reference, the movie he made just before Resurrection included the following characters: Seven narcoleptic clones, a talking disembodied brain in a fish tank, a crazy scientist that stole children's dreams and Ron Perlman cast as a retard.
Alien3 is the third best Alien film, much better than 4 and fifty times better than all the cash-in assaults on the franchise that have come since (Prometheus, Covenant, vs Predator, etc). It's the darkest and most grittily realistic of them all, and Weaver and Dance are pitch perfect in it. Ripley's death scene is one of the greatest in cinema, and a fitting end to her hero's story arc.
Alien 3 sucks monkey balls... even James Cameron dislikes part 3 greatly.
@@Zgmflegend Yes, James Cameron; the man that allowed Terminator: Dark Fate to happen. The man that endorsed Terminator: Genysis. His opinion matters. Also, don't you think that Cameron is the #1 person who would most likely be biased against Alien 3. Also, quite ironic that someone with your username would make the argument that a movie is bad because someone ELSE said so.
...and it’s still not any good.
Ripley’s death scene was an absolute pisstake. Trying to copy the visuals of T2
@@beardedbjorn5520 Alien 3 was already being made when T2 came out, so that's bullshit. And, don't you think that if Alien 3 would try to copy anything from T2, it would be the CGI? Also, Why would David Fincher want to copy some else's visuals? He is known for his unique visual style.
The first scottish person i met was from glasgow. Took me about half a year to start understanding a single word. Now, its like a super power.
The critical drinker - Scottish accent...
... Count dank enters the room
Scottish dialect dials up to 11!
This movie failed from the start because they killed off the two characters from Aliens (Hicks and Newt) that we loved just as much as we loved Ripley. The cast was good but the writing was trash. The story was just superbad.
I will have to disagree on the writing. Leagues better than Alien's, imo.
Eh, I liked the idea of being stuck in a place without weapons and having to figure out how to defeat a single Alien bringing back the horror and isolation of the first movie. The problem was the execution, it wasn't the idea from the start. Newt and Hicks could've sticked around in this plot.
Also, the writing is still a million times better than all the Alien and AVP films that followed.
Booo, shit opinion
@@aurex8937 Agreed. The Marines were a pisstake, apart from Martinez.
@@DeepEye1994 They didn't know where to go with the story or how to segue from Aliens, so they killed off central characters and tried to mitigate for this steaming pile of dung with quick cuts and bad CGI rather than good storytelling.
This and all the 'Alien' franchise movies after it were just plain, unadulterated BS. I couldn't in good conscience compare this movie to 'Alien' the original. The first movie was cinema perfection. Everything about it was flawless. It was so good that every space alien movie and TV show after it was simply a copy. Alien 3 ruined the franchise.
I view Alien 3 and Resurrection as PTSD nightmares that Ripley goes through. Whether it be on the voyage back to Earth after the events of Aliens or just dreams she has had in the years since.
My brain finally figured out dankula was saying Hicks. I was trying to figure out how I forgot a character named Hex.
Took me a few minutes to get that one too.
There was a deleted scene that was in the book that is sometimes on the DVD. Where they set up robotic guns in 2 tunnels that killed many aliens before they run out of ammo.
My two favorite Scots. I feel like I’d have a great night just listening to these two share stories over a few pints.
Agree that Newt and Hicks being killed off left a bad taste in my mouth and lost interest. Watched it years later to give it another chance and still think it is terrible
I think it's pretty good, but I agree that killing off Hicks and Newt was a bad decision by the studio.
Not what he said.
@@mattstorm6568 Then what did he say?
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 He said he didn't like that part of the film, not that it was sole reason he disliked it.
@@mattstorm6568 Alright, I'll change my first reply then, if it's so important.
This movie almost broke David Fincher. One of the best directors of our time. We may have never gotten Se7en, Fight Club… because of this movie. If any movie deserves an episode of Production Hell… anyway, great banter dear Sir
He would have to make a production hell series for this film.
I would like to see Fincher's version. I reckon if Fox wasn't financially banking on this movie like it was. We would have seen his vision on the screen.
Fincher was also going to the horror elements seen in Scott's version. Cameron made a action movie which in general people are more accepting of. Horror is like dark chocolate some people like some people don't. Action movies are like popcorn they are more widely accepted by everyone.
What we need is a new channel: "Dank Drinker"
Count Drinkula
Critically Danker
Both work lads
Can these two please do more streams together? I will pay.
_SCOTTISH 2_
_Electric Boogaloo_
Who is the “Hex” character Dank keeps talking about? 🤣
...Jonah Hex of course! 😁
Oh my, Alien/Hex crossover... I'd buy that for a dollar!
This was a great discussion, even though nobody could understand a single word of it.
Count Dankula should be on Friday Night Tights
Oh that would be fantastic, but Gary would have to have max 5 people on at a time for Dank to shine though.
It is so awesome listening to two Scotsman talking about how terrible this movie is. Wonderful conversation. I am a third generation Welshman which basically means I’m an American with welsh heritage. But it’s still refreshing to hear you guys talk. Thank you as always drinker. You are the best!
It’s like EFAP without the long dog n’ frog
So... Not EFAP? Or maybe the proto-EFAP hosted by Wolf?
Dank definitely brings out Drinker's Scot even more than usual.. Great stream.
Legendary collab, high marks for Scotland
Some folks are gonna need subtitles on this one.
Or more alcohol.
2:20:30 - there were facehuggers in Medical, not eggs. Dropships take 50 minutes' flight time to get from the Sulaco down to Hadley's Hope. And when Ripley went after Newt, the countdown was 11 minutes when she got on the elevator to go down. No way could Bishop have:
* drugged Hicks
* flown to the derelict
* landed
* exited the dropship
* found a way into the derelict
* found his way to the egg chamber
* grabbed an egg (or two)
* climbed back out
* gotten back to the dropship
* climbed aboard
* hidden the egg where the humans wouldn't find it
* hidden the egg where the humans wouldn't trigger it
* taken off
* flown back in time to save Ripley
Even if he'd just flown to the bottom of the station and gone in on foot (somehow avoiding Ripley) and grabbed an egg from the Hive, he got torn in half as soon as he stepped out of the dropship!
The egg cannot possibly have been in the hallway where they showed it! The whole movie is just Ripley's nightmare!
Alien 3s biggest sin was killing the survivors of Aliens. Blasphemy!
I love Alien 3, but just as a general rule, movies should never render their predecessors irrelevant.
@@ressljs yes, but the child character was old, and guess they were scared to try to recast her (newt did a damn good job for a child actor, honestly, not sure it would have been easy to replace her)
And not only because they are likable characters, but because this makes everything in Aliens completely pointless.
@@miller-joel exactly, Ripley's last stand and heroic rescue of Newt was all for nothing. And to kill off Newt? Seriously? She went through all that to be killed off screen between movies. That's almost as bad as say... bringing palpatine back...
@@corycrandell2682 Everything and everyone in Aliens is destroyed and died for nothing. You thought those were brave and heroic sacrifices? Hudson, Vasquez, Drake, etc. Nope. You thought that was a redeeming act (Gorman)? Nope. None of them mattered. None of what they did amounted to anything.
I don't understand how anyone can call themselves a fan and say they "love" this movie, or "it wasn't that bad."
This stream was a wish come true for me. Awesome work lads!
I love "Scottish". One of my favorite vids is a Scottish pre schooler singing a song about throwing her grand mother off a bus...... grandpa beams with pride during the rendition. What other culture makes grand matricide so adorable.
Actually! The song is "ye Cannae this your granny AFF a bus!" Translation.."you cannot throw your grandmother off a bus"
Great stream Gentlemen, was like hanging out with friends.
lol, 20 mins in and im loving this pairing. the two scots each with a killer sense of humour. i hope drinker and the count do more of these.
Gonna nerd out here, strap in:
So the mist surrounding the eggs isn't just an environment for the eggs themselves (keeps them in stasis for ad long as 100 years after being laid) but it also detects anything within it. That's why you see in one and two when someone "trips the sensor" the mist clears out (it actually goes into the eggs, waking them up). It reads the biometrics of whatever disrupted it and basically programs the facehugger specifically for that creature. I E. The facehugger will ONLY go after that creature or one like it. The facehugger can actually simulate, perfectly, the hosts natural environment. There is a comic where someone survived floating in space cause the facehugger fed him nutrients, oxygen and even kept his body temp up. They don't actually lay eggs, per say. It's actually this weird hodge podge of nutrients, amino acids, etc. Until the parasite forms it is, for all intents and purposes, cancer. Vigorous cancer. They face hugger constantly injects an enzyme that counteracts it. That's why removing them kills the host, quickly might I add. They basically "melt" from the inside out. It's also why the Xeno takes on characteristics of the host. The facehugger was pre-progammed specifically for that host. They do this to insure the Xeno has whatever it needs to survive in the hosts environment. Anyway...that's all I've got for today. Go away now! XD
Two witty Scottish men having a laugh for a few hours. Perfect lol
Would like if you could talk to Count Dankula for all of these. He's got a good way of speaking. makes things very fun.
edit: I've had this stream open for the last few days at work, listening off an on, it's very calming to hear both your voices in the background.
That Mr.Blonde torture scene in Reservoir Dogs is one of my all-time favorite movie scenes.
Yeeeeees ! Mine to
Got to love creators who make the time and effort to appreciate their audience...especially when they're
too drunk and tired to find the live stream off switch. :o)
This was great fun. You two were in prime form. Put it straight into the best of vault.
Best thing about the movie was the fact that "I" and "Danny" from "Withnail & I" were in it.
Great stuff guys, thank you.
Drinker Scottish meter 70 percent
Dank enters , the meters off the charts!
The Assembly Cut is absolutely just a longer version of the theatrical release. It does resolve what happened to Golic (though not the plot hole that the entire film needs to exist, in order to justify its existence), but other than that, it adds scenes that are just slightly different, longer, or worse versions of what was already in the original. When I finally saw the "cut" from the Quadrilogy set, I didn't get what people were on about, saying how much different or 'better' it made the film (it didn't).
Did anyone else feel the world shake when these two came together?
I liked the atmosphere and the suspense of the movie, how it becomes hopeless for her and she's consumed and "impregnated" with the monster, it's like it didn't kill her yet but it ruined her life and let her contemplate her fate for a time, in a dark place where she can achieve redemption through loneliness. Her courage, strength, determination, and humanity is embodied by her decision to kill herself at the end.. it has a heroic and deep feel to it, very religious, very well done. Plus I never got bored, characters are well acted and it has its moments. Not my favourite obviously but an ok chapter imo
But I love Resurrection to be honest, fun and cool movie like a comic book Alien on steroids, and very well directed. I get it I piss against the wind on that one lol
These two together is fuckin great.
You know if they did this often it would be successful. Just them though.
Totally dude.
A L I E N is definitely the best one out of the whole franchise.
I gave this a like even though I disagree, because... oooooh it's a tough one. Alien Ressurection is my fav. paaahahaha. nah I am just screwing with ya. 🤣🤣🤣 Aliens! It has a special nostalgia for me, I saw it first when I was like 8yo and it blew my mind wide open! HOOKED!
After rewatching Alien and Aliens for the first time since middle school last month, I wholly agree.
ALIEN is an absolute Sci-Fi horror classic, but ALIENS is my absolute favorite!
Yeah the way I've always looked at it is that imo Alien is the best horror film ever made. Aliens is brilliant but it's not the best action film ever made to me that's Raiders Of The Lost Ark. Alien wins.
I liked the scenes in Resurrection about the colonist pods being hijacked and the colonists waking up to the flowering eggs. The horror of imagining yourself waking up in that situation, not knowing where you are, unable to free yourself, and then catching a face hugger shortly after. I think the movie could have been edited down to a five minute short.
I remember how excited I was for Alien 3. Then in the intro, having an Alien egg on board made me go, "What?! No way I believe some Alien egg is on the ship." Then they killed Newt and Hicks and from that moment on, the movie was dead to me.
Alien 3 has grown on me over the year's like a parasite...
We must have a after hours on Alien Resurrection with Ricky Berwick.
I don’t know that I’ll be able to watch this. I definitely wouldn’t watch that.
@@SumDumGy The one thing you can say about Ricky, he has a sense of humor he will run with that joke and not be a pussy because I don't want to cause him offence.
@Bjørn again Christian, I’ve never heard of the man. Combined with a shot movie? It’s not likely to encourage my viewing.
Watched it 3 times and still hate it. Ruined Aliens ending, boring plot, hardly any gore, terrible special effects and an unsatisfying ending to Ellen Ripley. Diabolical film.
Two mad Scots! Y'all could host a whole ass show just ripping on modern cinema. 10/10 would subscribe.
What A Treat!
Please Do "Escape From New York"
Or "The Thing" We'll Enjoy Either Or Both!
Regards From New York City ✨
One up.
H.R. Giger made the Alien franchise all that it is. All of the creatures, the aliens, the xenomorphs, the set design of the Alien ship, the jockey, the hive. I can't imagine any other creator making the world of Alien so iconic, so emotionally impactful. The visuals alone were absolutely terrifying! You knew when you saw any imagery like that it was either the Allen's franchise, or an H.R. Giger project of some sort! Back in the days when the story, the visuals, the dialogue all followed the source material, and the story was the priority. Not check boxes, casting quotas, and adjustments for modern day audiences. I'm absolutely ready for this wave of Hollywood to go far far away!
Never seen an Alien movie but these mad lads are so entertaining I would watch them read off a list of ingredients!
You havent? What's up wi ya? Ahahaha.
The Count and Critical reviewing movies need to be a regular thing
I very much liked the part where you discussed 40! Good shit as always guys.
13:00 - nope. The biggest problem with Alien³ is that stupid egg they shove into a hallway on the Sulaco, where no egg could *possibly* be, if you watch Aliens!
The queen left her egg sac behind, and Bishop never had the time to bring an egg up, plant it, and then fly back again.
The whole movie is based off that fucking egg (which, incidentally, opens with no stimulus), which means the whole movie makes zero sense.
Then we add: the Sulaco is suddenly brown instead of grey; the name "SULACO" is suddenly white instead of black; the sleep pods look like the ones in Alien, not Aliens; Ripley is suddenly a Lieutenant instead of a Warrant Officer (no promotion was promised her); the facehugger lays *two* chestbursters; the creature keeps changing size from dog-sized to giant to person-sized, to giant to dog, back and forth; the M-41A at the end sounds like a Tommy gun instead of an Aliens pulse rifle; and the movie ends with Ripley... falling. Classic dream ending, no?
The whole movie is nothing more than Ripley's nightmare.
Hearing 2 scots reminds me of family reunions so much. Fucking lockdown stopping me from seeing everyone
A3 is a movie for people who done Need Nostalgia to enjoy entertainment, and when you are a child when you see it, in not so fortunate circumstances, it captures the claustrophobia and fear that a life you cannot escape forces on you
The story was a downer but it did have great art direction, an amazing score and a cool dark aesthetic to it.
As no doubt mentioned in chat, now listening to this. But the Alien is a rod puppet filmed against blue screen and operated by 5-6 guys at the same time. Boss Film were hired, who no doubt Fincher knew from his ILM days on Return of the Jedi and they attempt an experimental technique technology using $10k Recordable Laserdisc at 480p to instantly see the footage and playback of the creature and insert it in. Subsequently it looks like crap. As much as I love that old format it can't hold up against fresh 35mm film stock and the light and texture is very much like "video" just a year later T2 happens and then Jurassic right after leaving it all looking dated quickly. The only single CGI shot is the cracking of the Alien Dome right at the end when the hot lead is going to be poured over it.
It was a weird gone wrong idea that I'm surprised at Boss Film over as they usually use 70mm Film to composed a shot that way it holds up when downing to 35mm. So to kick off at 480p video?? I guess they wanted to get the work out faster than waiting for Dailey's to see the work. Kind of thing today a digital film maker like Fincher would almost take for granted. So good idea, just 15 years ahead of it time. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this one. Cheers gents!!! 🍻
WHAT?!? The Drinker and the Count are friends?! Two of my favourite youtubers. Awesome! This calls for a celebration. (Opens bottle of Scotch)
I rank Billy Butcher's spice girls-speech at least in the top 3 speeches of all time.
I would think the respiration mechanism on the face-hugger would just be pumping whatever the atmosphere happens to be. Taking the air around it and pumping that, because it's a logical assumption that you encounter a species in its own native atmosphere.
There's one thing that makes Alien3 much, much better movie. It was all a dream.
I'm serious, consider. Cryotubes at the beginning are way different to the ones on Sulaco, but very similar to Nostromo ones, where Ripley's living nightmare started. There is no conceivable way that the Queen would lay eggs on Sulaco before being ejected by Riplay in Aliens, but it is easily something Ripley would be afraid of. Similarly with Hicks and Newt's death. Even the fact that Alien looks terrible (CGI) and there are some holes in movie's logic. It all fits. Even Alien Resurrection, it is natural that another nightmare Ripley would have after literally dying in her previous one, would be to be reborn as part-Alien. The true Ellen Ripley is still stuck in her cryopod on Sulaco, dreaming, having nightmares, despite hoping she wouldn't have.
I would love to see theese guys break down the outlaw king or highlander or even braveheart
I like all three of those, but true Scotsmen might not appreciate the three main actors being an American, a Frenchman, and an Aussie.
There is an extended cut that fills many of the plotholes in the movie.
1. They know and talked about it.
2. It still sucks.
@Joocey Pale Boi It wasn't CGI - but no, they didn't fix the overlay masks, which is a massive shame because the puppet work was actually *incredible* if you go watch some BTS of the puppetry team
There still is alot of practical effects in 3. Yes the cg is bad and when I was young I hated it but now the movie is very watchable.
Jonsey the cat is the only survivor.
No joke un4tunately that's true. Nice 1 tho
The problem with Alien 3 was it didn’t complete the Hero’s journey.
But it did. She died.
Au contraire. It did, too well even.
she died killing queen alien.sounds like completing a journey to me
A staunch gun control advocate Weaver insisted on no glorifying of guns which is why they plonked her down in a gun-free setting. She also insisted Ripley had to die. So they killed off Newt and Hicks after she spent an entire movie turning her maternal instincts into a force of nature.
THEN Weaver came back for the fourth film because, as Weaver put it, _"They offered me a truck load of money."_
Weaver herself destroyed the heroes journey, by selling out her personal values for money.
Thats the problem I have with number three. Weaver herself made the whole thing pointless by coming back for number four just for the money.
Man, so many "ayes" between these two! It's like a bunch of women in a room "syncing up", apparently get two Scotts together and they condense their Scottishness! XD
We sure do. But try listening to Scottish folk talking without trying to pronounce every word better for you tube lol
Awesome just got off work. Thanks for the content
The armor the guys at the end of the movie are wearing are known as Monkey Combat Suits, they resist acid and prevent face huggers from attaching to their face.
Loved it, you guys have great chemistry