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Announcement videos will help grow your channel and most people won't mind hearing about something new (as long as its not over hyped before anyone's used it). Just make sure you make it clear that is what it is so as to not compromise the integrity of any proper review videos!
"As long as Dell offers new hardware modules for sale..." - I suddenly heard a thousand Area 51m owners screaming into the void of broken promises.
Concept Luna is fantastic, even trade off is make chassis slightly bigger. Modularity, flexibility, repairability and upgradeability is more important in the long run. They should make it an actual product like Framework did.
Worst thing is that dell has a reputation for not supporting their proprietary hardware. Like the Area 51 which was supposed to have upgradable graphics modules but they never supported it.
Nonetheless it does look very good and impressively sleek, makes you question why some many 14 inch laptops don’t even have upgradable ram.
@@hikarishikawa Considering that people tend to keep Apple laptops for 7 years and the amount of wear you accumulate on such devices if taken to school or work often, I have my doubts about upgradable 14-15,6 inch laptops like Framework if they will cost significantly more, or like in case of last Alienware upgradable laptop they may not keep supporting it for very long, which means that likely at beginning there will be no large interest due lack of trust in company support, and because of that, support for potential upgrades end.
The question is if you can make upgradable laptops widely attractive without opening architecture to other manufacturers that can then also produce parts, thus, in consequence, creating industry-accepted laptop case standards for various sizes as we see in desktops. While I understand that manufacturers want to keep their upgradable laptops proprietary, so only they make money on upgrades, it greatly reduces the attractiveness of such products in the early years when there is no certainty that such laptops will keep being supported.
Where I see the potential for upgradable laptops is in thin display bezel 18" laptops in size of older thick bezel 17,3" laptops as desktop replacement computers for people that not want to lug around desktops like students, truckers, or working people living in small rented apartments that may need to move often yet wanting to do long hours behind computer which is eye straining with small screen laptops. I upgraded my 2014 Alienware 18 laptop with a larger SSD and replaced the GeForce GTX 770M SLI with the GeForce 980M upgrade package from Eurocom as Dell did not offer such option which would be for many inexperienced users viable even if they need to pay Dell technician for installation, as it will be still cheaper than buying a new laptop.
Currently, there is for example 14" Toughbook FZ-55 Mark II with a ridiculous amount of battery life with multiple hot-swappable bays for battery yet with weight only passing 2kg on one battery which is not that lot for a semi-rugged laptop with a high degree of EASY modular upgradability often not requiring opening laptop at all including Blu-Ray writer, or GPU alternative in the same bay, alternative ports module and so on...
Unfortunately, the high brightness screen is meant for outdoor, not color accuracy, so not exactly average consumer oriented but if they make this design more consumer-oriented with upgrade support for CPU/motherboard and make purchases more consumer-friendly, perhaps they can gain a larger market for people needing nowadays special features like hot-swappable batteries, Blu-Ray writter, or smart card/wireless ID reader.
While I don't think that Panasonic currently has the infrastructure to build and service modular laptops for the masses, if a large manufacturer like Dell with the necessary infrastructure made an FZ-55 style modular bay upgradable desktop replacement laptop that can be easily upgradable by anyone in the form factor of older 17,3" laptops like ZBook 17 G6 you may get a lot of people that fear opening laptops to replace GPU interested...
4:14 that's good, I hated carrying the AW models upstairs to film haha, felt like my fingers were going to tear off just from that short journey
Same lmao my fingers hurt so bad from carrying my X17 from one room to the other. It's less than a minute and it already hurts bad
0:15 absolutely true, I hate those channels who just show the laptop and no REAL review.
Hallo, Josh. I really admire your honest, unbiased, and professional reviews. You have an eye for detail, which is rare these days. And the positivity you radiate is also unique. Please, don't change any of that! Greetings.
Thanks Dimitre I appreciate that
M18 is a massive fail as the 18 inch panels they use are still only 300 nits, while Asus and Razer have 500 to 1100 nit 16 and 18 inch panels. 300 is super dim and dull. I'm also disappointed that the 18 inch didn't come in the form of the X series. The X series build quality with an 18 inch mini led panel would have been perfection. The M series looks cheap.
I love my X14, but I wish anyone could figure out how to make Windows laptops not randomly go into leaf blower mode unless you've been gaming or rendering for a couple minutes. Just extracting a ZIP file shouldn't put the fans in overdrive.
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The occasional announcement video would be nice, especially if it covers a series of new devices and updates like this one did. I subscribed because of how your thoughts and usage of laptops closely matched my own. In the past few years, I felt like some of these AW devices were so close to being what I wanted in a laptop, but fell short in terms of non-gaming usability that ultimately had me returning a M15 r4. These updates are looking tempting though.
I agree with you that most people who just want to have a gaming laptop sit on their desk won't care for the X series. But I'm not one of those people. I do research at university (master's student) and also work in cybersecurity. For me a thin & light laptop with a lot of performance is very important. I need to easily bring it around with me all the time. The ports on the back can be annoying but I do like the clean look when plugging in at my desk at home. For reference, I've had the x14 for about 6 months and love it. I think I will go for the x16 for the bigger screen though. I'm glad Alienware have two options (M series & X series) to offer different products for different needs. I do believe they need to stop treating the M series as a second class citizen and give it all the features (ex: speakers) from the X series.
If you like the "clean look when plugging in at my desk at home", your best option is probably a dock station. 1 simple type C cable on any thunderbolt port and you're done. Make things so much easier if you take your laptop with you every day. Can change to any other Notebook in the future and the simplicity continues. There are great options in Laptop Stands that will help you de-clutter your desk as well.
Absolutely agree
@@iphar what docking stations would you suggest? I’m new to them so don’t mind the lack of knowledge on my part please.
@@mikehawk120 Hi, Mike, we could probalby write a 4 page report on this subject and that would still risk not answering your question properly. The most important thing is for you to ask yourself a series of questions: how many and what kind of periferals will you be connecting? printer? speakers? hard drives? pen drives? ethernet? how fast are they? permanently or temporarily? how many simultaneously? is this about convenience or performance? how many monitors? what type of monitors? do I need PD (power delivery)? do I have a proper Thumderbolt port on my computer or just a regular USB-C port? how much am I willing to spend? etc.
I personally use a ThinkPad Thunderbolt 4 Dock from Lenovo, but there are much cheaper models available, depending very much so on your particular needs.
In a perfect world, manufacturers create MXM (mobile PCIe Module) SKUs for this Project Luna. I'd love an insertable RTX A series GPU to get stuff done. I know a lot of people would like the option of adding a GPU rather than having to buy an entire laptop - especially when your current laptop is fine and only compromises in 1 or 2 areas.
I agree about the 4k panel and the thickness, it does not bother me as cooling would be better and could have 0db mode for just work or coding, not having 4k panel on 18 incher is like a shot in the foot for a such a device and pixel craving productivity people, the older i get the less I game and am more focused on productivity, bit still want to be able to enjoy a game on the side...Cant wait for you to review these new models and particularly the asus scar ones, full back cooling solution looks best so far👌
kindly review the flow x16...a genuine request 🙌
Have they finally fixed the fact that the secondary keys are not illuminated?
Yes all the 2023 Alienware laptops have backlit secondary symbols on the keyboard unlike the 2021/2022 models.
yes, freaking finally
Project Luna looks nice, but after having used a framework for close to a year, I can say that the bar for Dell is now quite high. Also, I doubt that a company like Dell would actually encourage third party vendors to create parts for their ecosystem.
I like the announcement style video every now and then
Alienware is doing great recently, happy to see it cuz damn that alien logo is sexy
Hi Josh,
I think if you went to the press event, and have already seen or touched the real product, please make the coverage video. It's very helpful, most people don't even have a chance, we only read the news or watch from the screen though. Your mom will be happy too, more VDOs, more like 🙂
I pretty much agree with you on everything. I am surprised they improve the speaker, wow, now I want x16 🤣 Not sure why manufacturers ignore laptop speakers for so long, it should be one important aspect that people can tell. Especially in premium high-end laptops.
You are right on the 4K screen option.
I am using x17 R1 with 4K screen. I do reading, writing, coding, and programming a lot. The 4K screen is amazing, the text is really sharp and clean, it's much better when we need to work for a long time. I cannot go back to 1080p or even 2K anymore.
However,
I think it's fine for Dell to chase thin laptop designs though. Not everyone wants the highest performance. I am okay if my CPU/GPU runs 200-300 Mhz slower in a thin laptop. X-series is also their premium line, it must have an elegant sleek classy design. M-Series exists for people who want the best performance. Otherwise, X-series and M-series will be too close though.
Thank you and Happy New Year 🙂
Hope that Concept Luna (= Moon) will see the light and be available under the Sun
I would watch anything you decide to make, honestly
Jose, you are a legend
Hey Josh, am eagerly waiting for your best laptop of 2023 video. Then I can pull the trigger and buy one.
Ha. A bit early in the year for that
Concept Luna would be sweet! Keep up the good quality vids Josh!
Thanks for the video and telling us about project Luna !
My biggest concern in CES 2023 is about AMD claimed their latest Chip is 30 Hours long live battery, but I don't know which one the laptop is.. but I hope one of them is from Dell
I don’t mind announcement video as long as you make it clear that it is. I would like to hear your initial impressions and review
announcement videos would be interesting to be done through youtube shorts, since it will give an interesting insight on products but not spoiling the party for the full review
Dude they are using 300 nit screens on 8000 dollar AUD laptops (M18 specced out). They have fixed the big issues and regressed to non HDR screens on even the 4090 models, meaning an instant "not even looking at it" for me. Asus, Razer and many more all offering 500+ nit HDR screens. Such a shame.
MSI still refusing to use advanced optimus/g-sync, so they are out too.
I am going top of the range this year, and I have already ruled out Alienware and MSI and they were the two I was looking forward to the most.
Be careful Josh, usually at these big hyped event releases where they launch new products to the public, the displayed units are meticulously constructed and engineered and tested to perfection so that everything goes right. They may not necessarily reflect on the quality and performance of the commercial units they shipped to consumers in the thousands each month
You are 100% correct about the drive towards as thin as possible high performance gaming laptops. I would rather have a 2 inch thick laptop that performs and is cooled thoroughly with better access for maintenance.
Having connectors in the back is a superior design (except for an SD card reader) IMO.
Great video! I can't wait for your full review of the m18.
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great video :)
I liked seeing your take on announcements. Would watch more. 👍🏻
They haven't done enough to update the 14" model which is what I've been most interested in, it seems like a regression since last year, still the same tiny trackpad, no new speaker setup, no AMD processors. Maybe next year
I really need to know about the noise levels of the m18, if this can be quiet enough i will definitely buy it for my music pro studio. But noise must be low, like 30-40 db tops. If you can test the db levels of these i will appreciate it!
I really want to see their new command center and their improved audio.. I had alienware x17r2.. and their software was so buggy.. and audio was just terrible... premium laptop shouldn't have problem like these.
You should do both and put them on channel playlists
Honestly, if there's a company I think that's been stagnant for years, it's Dell. Asus and HP have been both picking up the slack and are providing a lot more.
Josh tells Dell "I want this, I want that"
Dell responds "Who the frack are you?"
Hope there will be an Area 51 M18 with a 4090ti and 4k screen and actual dedicated volume buttons, more USBs and USB-c with 5 year extended warranty option, take my money!!
The new Alienwares esp. m18 with 4070 are among my candidates. My major concern is GPU-only compute load (such as Furmark) in balanced fan modes so I would love to see such tests of noise dB, speed then and noise samples. As related information, what are PL1 and PL2? Can the user modify them and TDP of the GPU? Do we achieve same speed as previous generation at 1/3 TDP, as Nvidia claims?
Very happy to see you got a bigger studio, it means youtube "business" is going quite well :)
Keep extending, and keep the great content coming :)
Announcement videos are fine. You just have to make sure that you've actually seen the product, and in your case, you did get to try and experience it. That way when announcing, there's your flair and flavour to the announcement, rather than just reading the specs off some sheet like some TH-camrs do, then hype it without having even seen the device up close. That way it does add MORE context to your full review, because you get to see what was in concept, and what made it to the final assembly for customers.
Bro Majority of issues are solved in this evaluation but you forgot to mention webcam upgrade from 720p to 1080p
Announcement videos are great, will bring a nice niche quality and unique content to your channel!
Could this be the biggest redemption story of 2023?
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I love the real reviews and specially criticism side . But I appreciate this video as well
Please stick to real reviews...... "our world is already 'glutted' by 'adverts'" I really both appreciate and respect your videos
Great vid Josh. I love your usual reviews because knowing what a laptop is actually like to use for a good period of time is invaluable. Also you & I value some of the same things, like excellent speakers, keyboards & displays. This x16 was sounding soo good until you mentioned no 4k option. While gamers won't mind, for my use case, this matters. Please don't stop your usual style of reviews, but also don't be afraid of this type of announcement video either- you even do that better than most going by this video!!
The x16 was a buy for me until the price went from $1,799 to $2,799 simply by going from 16GB RAM to 32GB RAM.
Dumb.
Excellent video. Just one major problem with the x16. I own a x15r2, and one of my biggest complaints is the lack of 16:10 screen. So glad they’ve rectified this among other quality of life issues. However, the x16 is now 6 pounds? That’s almost a pound heavier than the (to me anyway) already heavy x15r2. As cool as the laptop is, it is just serving a different audience than the x15 was. But I don’t fancy bringing a 6 pound laptop to class every day. If through the warranty I were to get upgraded to one down the line I would probably sell it and get an Asus m16. One of the few laptops that is powerful and thin but still light
Alienware were never made for bringing them to class. I carry my X17 to class every day and I don't mind
@@diegovillavicencio3172 That's great - more power to you. I just personally find the 5.2ish pounds of my x15r2 to be about the upper limit of what I'm willing tolerate. Once you get beyond that, they just get more hard to handle. If you are willing to do it though, yes, there are upsides
@@jedisoldier just got an x15 r2 for college and on completely get you about the weight. I love the laptops aesthetics and lighting and I’m willing to make some compromises for that (I.e why I didn’t get the x14, no light ring)
But anything past 5ish pounds is just not practical to bring around every day and I feel 5.20 is also most people’s limit.
I’m glad to know I’m not the only one repping the x15 to class, keep up the great work brother🤝
Were you still planning to do a user review of this one? I'd really like to see that. Especially curious how this compares to the Legion Slim 7 (or 7i)
Thank for the update
Concept Luna would be a great thing as long as they ensure ALL parts could be purchased by consumers the same way Framework has so that we can repair and upgrade our own laptops. No one cares if it is just simply easier for Dell.
I just ordered the M18. I can't wait.
Great video. I miss having a gaming laptop with great speakers w subwoofers. I also like my gaming laptop a bit thicker to make it upgradeable and have better cooling.
My discouragement with the m16 in my shopping now is I am seeing the screen underwhelm people, particularly in brightness and the lack of more keys (numpad). If I'm going to be spending above a thousand dollars on a laptop, I don't want to be skimping in anyway on my display, especially when simple monitors, often 21 inches or more that cost less than $150 can deliver 100% sRGB or DCI-P3. Why mid range gaming laptop makers cut corners on display experience is baffling.
Lots of great points here! I personally would be happier with the better quality CPU of the m16 over the thinness of the X16. That means nothing to me as my laptop will either be on my desk at home or in bed on a laptop tray. I still may end up buying the X16 as the build quality and look of the laptop are amazing. Its between either the Blade 16 or X16 for me.
A couple things:
1. Yes I would like to see more announcement videos. Most announcements out there are about hype or shilling a brand. I like your pragmatic and matter of fact takes. Plus it doesn’t detract any value from your normal videos.
2. I’m one of those people who DO care about thinness because I travel a lot but still need a gpu for my cad work. Sometimes I travel with multiple devices so a thin and light is still really the only way for me. That being said, Alienware broke my heart with their displays. No oled or mini-led might be a dealbreaker for me
3. Despite numerous efforts I’ve never seen a successful modular product, especially in the tech space. Partly because modular devices is something almost everyone agrees they want but in reality almost nobody buys them over competing devices and partly because So many devices become greater than the sum of their parts but by making it modular the device literally gets reduced to only the sum of its parts. I don’t have much faith in Luna but would be happy if this gets proved wrong
Great comment
Hi Josh, I think this is a great way to provide information to your audience. I have made a few purchasing decisions based on your reviews and I am looking at getting a gaming laptop sometime this year when I replace my desktop. Your use of the system is enough to gain an interest and look forward to your actual review.
If you are looking for desktop replacements and that means performance above all, then My suggestion is a 2022 laptop and now would be the perfect time to get one. 2023 GPUs are not doing it with the price. The new gen intel CPUs and especially the 4000 series GPUs are not worth the power increase for their cost. The 2022 laptops have the best combo of GPU, CPU and features like the mux switch (or advanced Optimus) and hdmi 2.1 etc. The 3000 series GPU are well worth the price. And intel 12700h is fantastic with its power consumption and performance delivery.
Since you wanted to go performance then that is why I suggested intel over AMD but if you want to go AMD then best amd CPU and GPU both are in 2022. Anything before 2021 is not recommended as certain features like mux switch were generally missing from most laptops.
If you still want to go for something beyond 2022, then I suggest waiting for next gen of Nvidia graphics. There's a good reason people are skipping Nvidia this gen and even AMD GPUs to a good degree. The power consumption and performance delivery for that cost is just plain bad. It's heartbreaking to see such amazing laptop chassis like Alienware and ROG laptops be held back by such problematic internals.
But then you will get into the hell hole of constantly waiting for the next great system because the current one is too problematic which is why I suggested to go with 2022 laptops. But, if you still want to go for 2023, at least wait till the year's end. By then stuff gets thoroughly tested and problems are exposed and companies improve their machines (which is the other reason why I suggested 2022 laptops because it's been a year since they were out).
Did you get a chance to experience ASUS 3D OLED laptops?
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I just got the m16 with an I9 paired with an RTX 4080 it’s a beast . Over watch 2 epic settings at 1600p getting max frame at 240 frames . COD 2 at max settings at 1600p getting 190 frames . This thing is a beast !! Witcher ultra settings with hair works on and ray tracing , getting over 100 FPS beast !!
I know this is old but how’s that rig holding up? Literally looking at that same setup right now lol.
yeah...we need this kind of video...1st can't 😎😎
The only thing that would make the X16 an instant buy for me would be a 1000+ nit Mini Led display. I don't want to spend that much on a laptop and have a dim 300 nit screen.
Woooo, new video 💙
Like the toughbook 40 in a 18 inch screen would be awesome even if it weighed 2 or 3 lb
They finally learned how to make good-looking laptop. Waiting for test most sound, screen, and how loud is because last ver. Sucks in so many levels, the most temp and how loud there are.
I like the announcement video
Only downside with thos years alienware is the display option, again
Does the new X16 turn off the LEDs and shut down the fans when you close the lid? That was an issue you have. Also, can it upload faster than 480 Mbps over a 1 Gbps connection, unlike Alienwares with Killer and Ethernet connections cannot? How about the pitch of the fan noise? I see usability of back connections is not solved. How warm does this get and how long does the battery on this last?
I very much look forward to your review of the m16 and x16 as I replace my G16.
One of these shouldve ended up on the 2023 top ten!
I am ok with annocement, but best stick to review after weeks extended use. So manufactures don't cover up important detail that they don't want consumer to know. For laptop specific, windows laptops tend to hide their power consumption, noise level and battery life. 10 min - 2,3 hours hands on don't tell the real story in everyday use. Your sound in the new studio is great, even it's only half finish.
Can you please do a review of Alienware M18 with AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX and AMD Radeon RX 7600M XT.
Serious question. When a lot is demanded, which gaming laptop (14", 15" or 16") with intel produces less noise, gets less hot and has better autonomy? and the same question but now with ryzen.
obviously prefer your reviews but nothing wrong with these announcement style videos 👍
I like these types of videos, specifically because you will be going over these models at a later time. I do have to disagree about the thinness argument. I like to game on the side but do travel for work. It’s hard to find thin laptops that are capable of excellent gaming. Let’s keep a few models around for people like us :). There are plenty of thick gaming laptops to choose from for most other people that have great thermals
Announcement videos are fine as long as you disclose them and still do long term reviews.
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I bought an omen 17 laptop that after two shuts down now and then .what should I do to stop that going forward
If it's within warranty I'd contact tech support.
I wish Dell would modernize the Alienware series by reducing the huge bezel. They would my favourite aesthetic laptop if they did that
Hi Just, I do a lot of video editing and animation video. I have been using the same desktop since 2011. I love it because of its upgradeability, GPU, CPU, RAM, and so on. I am reaching out to you for advice on a laptop that can keep up with my workload and keep it for a while. Thanks a lot Just.
what's the fan noise like on the m16? I'm debating the xps 15 vs the m16 but don't want fans that will drive me insane
I'm interested in the x14 but only for the size for travel. My current rig is a dell g5 5500 and it has been a pile of garbage. it overheats so often I have to run a large fan base constantly, the plastic casing has warped, deformed, and broken. ports are loose... so afraid to buy another Dell. Definitely avoiding the G series forever. Cooling is now very important to me. I do play games, some of them are intense but I don't care if it's the absolute best graphics. It just needs to be reliable, durable and run stay cool. I also thought of getting an i5 instead of an i7 just to save money- some say the i5 will play my games just fine and be cooler, while others say I must have an i7. I don't know 😕
Nice video for knowledge 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Ports in the back would drive me crazy. However, the Lenovo Legion 5 does that too for the most part. Only the USB type C port is on the side for LL5.
How ridiculous that the flagship 18 isn't getting the new speaker setup. Typical Dell. I just don't understand why they aren't using the HDR panels that the other brands are using for their 16 and 18" 1600P panels. I could probably forgive the speakers if they did that.
Maybe the M18 is not their flagship. They've been treating the M series as s second class citizen for the last couple of years. Maybe we haven't heard of the X17 R3 or X18 R1 yet, who knows
So the X17 is gone for 2023?
You don’t speak for us all. I prefer the thin laptop design. I don’t want to lug around a thick brick…
agree!
Dell has promised laptops with upgradable hardware modules before and utterly failed to deliver (Alienware Area 51) so you’ll have to forgive my skepticism if I don’t believe they will follow through on this new concept.
I want to know if the m18 will have 4 fans or 2 fans
Is the ram soldered? Or is that in the X16?
hi Sir, i want to ask if it's worth buying an M15 r3 for £1500 in 2023
An x18 could tick all the boxes if its anything like the x16. Personally, the x17 r2 being out now for quite a while has become far more worth its price tag. Pity manufactuerers always are holding back to providing the flawless item the consumer expects/demands for reasons untold. Thanks, though, for the video. 👍
There're enough channels doing the release type videos. You do you, Josh. I buy based on your almost ridiculously high standards.
I don't want a thicker laptop, because I just need a extra portable slim design game laptop to use everywhere, so the X14 or the Zephyrus G14 would be the laptop to buy for me, for normal desktop gaming I am using a RTX 4090.
I hate laptop and phone company's obsession with thin products, most of us want better performance and don't care if a millimeter or few thicker is the consequence to having a:
better performance
better battery
better cameras
better cooling
better durability
better serviceability
better keys/buttons
better ports
I doubt trading away all those to have something slightly thinner or lighter is worth it to >80% of people, especially performance and utility focused people.
Just ordered my M18 Alienware 4070 Ryzen 9 7845hx. Can’t wait
Plans to cover X14?
Actually, this kind of announcement video are pretty good josh! Anyway it’s pretty funny for Alienware x series 🤣, it’s like they keep making the device are super thin, but not with the weight and size lol, in terms of portability it’s ridiculous
Personally I love it. I think it's great for editors who are using editing programs that needs high-powered GPU and CPU so we choose Alienware. This editing programs will get your laptop hot only for the seconds they're processing the edits you're doing, instead of games which makes the laptop hot for consecutive minutes or hours, so we don't need the laptop to be very thick for better air flow, even though the cooling system on the X17 R1 that I have is already the best one I've ever had on an Alienware, and on this X16 it will be even better with liquid metal and vapor chamber on both CPU and GPU. The 6 amazing speakers on the X16 makes it even more perfect for editors. I'm guessing gamers will go for the M16 or M18, but this X16 is by far the best one for editors imo. The only ridiculous thing is that it doesn't have removable RAM, they always find a way to screw it lol. Also the non-available 4K display but I believe they will offer it in the next months after the release
IMO Announcements are not worth the time; there's SO much of that on YT already. It also just feels like free ads for manufacturers where they get to hype up their models; besides, as your channel shows every time, a laptop is far more complicated than the sum of its spec sheet.
Maybe ONLY if it doesn't take away from your regular content, which is valuable as you said because you actually USE the devices for some time and comment on usability.
the x series have soldered ram - what are you talking about ? the x15 and x17 have upgradable ram - you must not know much about Dell alienware computers