i’m a producer, an artist, and spend all my days thinking of crazy ideas and trying to execute me. It’s built into me. If I work a real job, I get depressed and find I no longer find a will to live.
As a creative person in a moment of transition in life, trying to get myself to give more value to my own creativity... this was like water in the desert.
In defense of Lenin, we have Einstein "“I honor Lenin as a man who completely sacrificed himself and devoted all his energy to the realization of social justice. I do not consider his methods practical, but one thing is certain: men of his type are the guardians and restorers of humanity.” JP is right about crushing creativity at a certain level with schools. At another level, there never has been a creative or destructive person. One can only transform. Its funny that JP has millions of dollars of Lenin paintings, yet hates on Lenin. Now thats a REAL capitalist. :)
I‘m in the exact same situation! And just this step of realising just that, understanding that creativity is this huge part of me, and that I need to give it the space it always demanded, makes me feel like some sort of flip switched.
I used to be very cynical. I found everything in life meaningless and pertaining to a future of despair. Until I found the conceptual significance of a jazzy metal music from a Swedish Death Metal band named Opeth. Then I started to see the conceptual significance of many more things and found a thinking-man's martial art. Then I found Jordan B Peterson in 2016, and I was completely unearthed. Reality is INDEED as interesting and cool as a virtual world, a video game, or a written fantasy. I'm actually quite sad that advancements in technology are so ready and willing to throw out the significance of reality.
Btw, psychedelic studies will open the doors of reality and mind for the great public. When they get to change some laws in the US they get to really research those magic compounds! Who knows what we find and how they help us to manage this chaotic mess we call life, or reality. :) Oh, and yes music is something! I have changed to a quite happy and hopeful person, too. No going back to fear and negativity. I have my life to live!
Meaningless is only a bad thing if you value meaning over the lack there of. But that turns life into a quest for meaning, and when you can't accept the fundamental truth that any meaning is a superimposed structure of the mind, then you're stuck in a loop trying to find something that doesn't exist. Everything is pointless and that's great. It's funny how serious we all go about our lives when we don't even know anything about it. Stuck in a world of symbols and constructs, never really there to experience life for what it is. Always in thought. What is thought but a distraction from experiencing reality for what it is.
@@iamjust1normalgirlfromindi446 6:19-6:22 Peterson was trying to explain that "Hard times create creative people" Famous example is J.K Rowling and Vincent Van Gogh.
I love art. Would have paintings up where I live if it was my own. I would have a wooden hutch where I could display my beautiful china tea cups. I love writing, and listening to music and watching movies, especially historical dramas and get to see the beautiful costumes. Art is everywhere, and I am so glad that my parents have encouraged me in my writing, and bought me my first writing desk.
Whenever he brings up the story of Lenin paintings in his home, it quickly puts smile on my face. I love good irony and that one is the crown jewel of them... 🤣
Ive noticed that people generally approve of creativity if that creative person (or creation) is presented to them by someone of "authority" in their community. Someone they respect and obey,like the local village priest or corporations. People obey people with a lot of money.
Not creative enough to funnel huge sums of fortune thru artwork (: just creative enough to attempt the most of my ideas- by myself, when no one is there to see it did work. Also- comedy is an Art. Look at the scrutiny encircling it’s freedom of speech. For speaking the truth- that some don’t want to be brought to light.
I tried to find a career or a job that was proper and decent and respected but couldn't find it. I grew up depressed and spent over 10 years doing drugs. One day JBP said that if creative people don't create they are miserable. I remembered my teenage years when making music and it all clicked. I didn't choose music because there wasn't respect for it in our house. Music (or arts) wasn't a "real career option" so I tried to do what was asked and goddamn that was a huge mistake. At least I have suffered now so the art will be awesome!!1 xD
Real creativity is the art of illusion. It's the capacity to make something appear like something other than what it is or to use something for a purpose other than what it's intended for. The Hindu Goddess creates the universe through the illusion of a multiplicity from the One.
Damn, honestly to me, the best art is not drawn with the intention of it being a piece but rather with the movement of an image, the idea that there is a sudden and static beauty to anything that seems small yet crafted from a complex language of symbolism. To me, art is a language best spoken by the ones who are truly free.
I’m almost withered away, had a hard life growing up and blocked out memories, I’m 21 with no life goal working a 9-5 at a pizza place. No money or family connections to share things like car and health insurance. 3rd grade invited to a gifted and talented school-didn’t get to go. Never fit in with barely any crowd at school. Told by my food tech teacher in HS I could qualify for a gifted and talented program. Graduated with a 1.7 gpa because I just couldn’t force myself to pay attention to the bad teachers (virtually all of them) the harder classes were easier but way more work, took up too much time so I didn’t like it but got good grades in those classes
Atm I hate my life and don’t even know what things I like to do, I have a cyst that’s been spreading for some years I’m worried about and is keeping me from a higher paying job. I’m 25lbs under my normal weight and anxious of everything-- help
@@ElKay500 try to build a skill, (either from online free sources or offer someone free help so you can learn a skill), even if it seems you don't like the skill you're willing to learn, just learn it and try to be good at it (use your smart brain to learn it well). After some time, you'll be good at this skill, of course, you will then meet people with a common interest (even if you are still not interested in it), you'll have something to talk about, and you may start a career. Through time you'll either like what you learned and continue in life, or you'll figure it out through the connections and opportunities you were exposed to. After all, if you feel like doing nothing it is actually because you're not happy, and this is a good sign that you should change something, in your behavior, your mindset, in your relationships. Just lower your expectations and be aware of your environment, and move. I advise you to follow an Instagram page i am working on it, it's called "Progress with Joy", i'll try to express my feelings freely on this page, and i'm sure that it will help. keep it up bro, love you.
Ali Moghnieh great comment. I spent my twenties learning music, ended up teaching kids, then found a career as a military jazz musician for twenty years. Now I’m retiring and many options are open to me…all coming from being 19,20,21….and noticing I wasn’t happy, and focusing on a skill that I enjoyed learning…and seeing and noticing little moments of progress with the teachers I had. I’m fifty now and the creative energy is very much there…and now I have the resources and time to pick the path and go with it…not unlike when I was 20…Brian, find that thing that turns you on…explore it and learn it and find the best teachers for it. That will lead you. And the boring pizza job will take on new meaning. It will provide money to pay for the new path forward. Enjoy, brother! I certainly have so far:)
@@escapist502 happy to hear that you're doing great. btw 2 month ago i borrowed an org from a friend and I'm having fun with it, I'm trying to learn songs i like, just like "interstellar"
People have this love and hate relationship toward creativity.(I mean the non creative types) They want to be creative because they are aware of the value of creativity in society (which is huge) but at the same time they feel shame for not being creative,which creates jealousy and envy in those people,toward the ones who are creative. They also dont want to be creative because they are aware that you have to work REALLY HARD to become creative.
I agree with Jordan Peterson about art and creativity. It defines me well. That being said, feel free to purchase an awesome painting of mine. Commissions, too. I’m only slightly joking and my bold statement applies definitely to you, Peterson! Thanks for exploring the life of creative people.
Do other artists neglect their passion when they are really stressed? I always have for some reason and I feel much better when I create again. It’s like I know it’s what I need and what I love but I have to make myself do it.
I used to do that… i learned how to channel my negative energy towards my art. I’m a songwriter/artist & ever since i’ve been able to figure that out, i’ve created the best music i ever have in my entire life. Depression, stress, anger… these things at surface level are burdens, but underneath that surface there is something there. Those 3 things can be channeled & transferred into strengths. You just have to figure out how to use it to your advantage. have an amazing day.
@@cloudboy.x It's comforting to know I'm not the only one! I too am a songwriter :) and I feel strongly to create something meaningful out of all of that negative energy. I will try to channel it as you say and make it into a strength. Thank you!
I struggle with this as being a dancer and engineer student. One can stress out the other but I know if I can push myself to at least attempt at creating I can become better
I don't think they neglect their passion so much as lose it depressed people have no interest in activities they used to enjoy that's an indication actually a symptom.
The creative workers think of and design innovations, and then the conservative workers implement them. You cannot have one without the other and both are invaluable. This is why I'm not strictly white collar or blue collar. I love people of every cloth because I understand we need them all.
It’s hard to showcase innovative ideas and inventions in todays world. We can’t just pitch ideas to companies. You need a degree and experience before anyone will even think of listening. Their needs to be a school for creative individuals. Have them problem solve and give their input on a vast array of subjects. It’s like finding a needle in a haystack with the current structure. A lot of times the needles are never found and stuck wasting away somewhere. Never amounting to their potential. You multiply this scenario all over and it hinders our world as a whole.
Im a creative person. Im well aware of the fact that the "lions" just wait for a chance to sink their teeth into your neck. Thats why i love the internet. I can be creative here without the fear of violence from agressive people. But of course,there are a lot of things that you are simply not allowed to do or to create even on the internet.
There might not be that many factories anymore, but there are plenty of warehouses and other jobs that follow the same factory worker mindset. It's quite sad to see it and even worse to experience it as a creative person. You can see how many people, if not all people in that workplace look dead inside but pretend to look alright in front of the media and their bosses.
No, see, now you're applying your mindset to them. I'm a very creative person, in fact, I'm a professional musician. But I wasn't always, I have worked in those places (honestly it sounds like you've just seen them on TV based on what you've said), they are not dead inside. In fact the people in places like that are some of the most lively people I've ever met in my life, and I've met and interacted with thousands and thousands of people. I was the one who was dead inside, most of them are not only fine with that, they enjoy it. Not all of them, anyone with any ambition or creativity to them hated it. That's not to say those people are better in anyway, all of these different types of people are necessary. In the nicest way possible, we need people like that, in the same way the world needs people like me and people like you. We all have our differences, and those differences are what lead us to find our place in the world.
@@highestsettings I see, and yes I may have overspoken when I said everyone. I was mainly reffering to other creative people but yes, I agree that all types of individuals are necessary.
I used to play piano/keyboards and was pretty good. I would jump in bands and do gigs without knowing any of the songs and figure them out on the fly. But there was no DAMN MONEY IN IT. So I learned that being creative is profitable for the very very few. For the rest its a life of poverty. By the way I'm 100% Trump supporting conservative.
Same, except I play Cello. At one point I was pretty good at it, mostly played in orchestras and chamber groups. There was some money in it, enough to keep a college aged kid happy enough to keep doing it. I played in the college orchestra on a scholarship that paid for a good chunk of my tuition. Which was all fine and good but out in the real world it wasn't going to pay the bills. Years later I took a dive back into a creative line of work, pastry chef. I enjoyed it, I was pretty good at it. And I made barely enough to survive. After years of that I clawed my way up to a sort of decent paying job, and then Covid came along and destroyed that line of work. Seriously, it's done. The jobs I see advertised now are no better paying then they were 10+ years ago, while everything else has pushed wages up considerably just to attract workers. I was forced to get a job in a factory. Yeah, really. I despise work now, but I'm making more than I have in decades. One of my favorite authors who just made an obscene amount of money on Kickstarter addressed this problem once. He said he belongs to a writing club, with some pro authors as well as a bunch of amateurs who just do it for fun. Several of which, in his estimation, were better writers than him and he learned a lot from them. But they have had zero luck getting published and just do it in their spare time because they enjoy it. So yeah, Jordan is right. Being creative is virtually impossible to monetize, and will probably drive you crazy and/or kill you. It's the price you pay for the ability to see the world in many different ways I guess.
Art and its many forms is rarely profitable for the individual creating it. Ironically if artists stopped creating, growth and change for humanity would die over night. I too dabble in multiple artistic disciplines none of which have led to financial security. Instead I have been in a 20 year struggle to keep my head above the water. I don't realistically ever expect to wealthy because of art, but I instead take comfort in knowing while yes I suffered etc... my art will ripple out through humanity influencing it in one way or another for hundreds if not thousands of years. That's the difference between a non-creative and creative, while non-creatives produce goods that have instant relevance and use, an artists contributions often reshape the world... it just takes time. Unfortunately humans have a terribly short life span when paralleled with change, so the results of world altering influence rarely happens within that artists life. Thus leaving you with the choice to either make money and get by in an everyday sort of existence or take risks, be poor and long after your dead you might change the world. Very few choose or can endure the latter for a litany of reasons, which is completely understandable. But I do hold out hope one day after our current world systems collapse the next iteration of global societies recognizes the value of the creatives and incorporates them properly.
I mean yeah it's good that you can follow along to the conversation but there's some really well thought out comments on here. Don't be thinking that you're alone man
He said, "Liberals are more open-minded than conservatives." A more appropriate statement would have been, "Moderates are more open-minded than conservatives AND liberals." While both sides blindly follow the viewpoints of their party, moderates listen to both sides, which is literally the definition of OPEN-MINDED. Listening to others rather than forcing your one-side opinion mathematically produces more creativity.
Interesting proposition, but I think it has a failure on it. First, what makes you think they do not have any liberal ideologies? And second, of course they have to listen to both sides, that's what a moderator is supposed to do. If you don't do a good job, you probably will not be hired to do that in the future. That does not mean they are more open-minded (although it could be the case). Would you be more ethical than other person if, let's say a call center, demands you to be polite with your customers? Of course not. You probably will curse on mute at one of them that is giving you a hard time. But that is what you are supposed to do. The job someone does often does not dictate the individual's behaviour or ideologies, although of course doing a job you do not like or one that does not complement the Self is nuts, but still people do it; sometimes because they don't have other choice. Also, I have a question: would you mind to share with me the maths that produces more creativity when you listen to others?
@@gerardo49078 I think you have the definition of moderate wrong. You just described a “moderator”. I was talking about a political moderate. A moderate is a person who openly listens to all viewpoints regardless of political side. If a person is able to listen every viewpoint, they will easily find themselves agreeing with many liberal ideologies AND conservative ideologies. To be 100% liberal is basically saying you have no ideas of your own. Accepting every idea created from a party is nonsensical. For example, Liberals tend to agree about global warming. But the party has chosen to stop oil production in the United States as one solution. Unfortunately this actually increases global warming because Americans still need to import goods and commute using oil. But now, the oil must come from halfway across the world. I’m an engineer. It takes energy to transport mass. Ships use the lowest cost energy which is typically unrefined high sulfur crude oil. The closer the production, the less carbon emissions created. Unfortunately, choosing to produce oil locally is a conservative viewpoint, so Liberals blocked the ideology from their minds out of fear of being mislabeled. A moderate doesn’t care about labels and instead looks at the big picture. As for the mathematics behind the creativity, I can come back to this comment and give you more insight later. For this I’ll have to dive into variables and how our brain works. Please remind me by responding to the comment.
Exactly! I had the same thought when I heard him talking during this. I consider myself in the middle. Agreing on some liberal and some conservative things awell as disagreeing a bit on both sides. I really feel in the minority, because I have hard time arguing with anyone, especially online. You argue with a liberal you're immdietly labeled conservative, you argue with a conservative then you're a liberal to them. And either no longer wants to even listen. I very rarely see anyone who is even remotely trying to see it from both angle, especially on politicial topics.
@@Thesamurai1999 stay strong Link. The world needs more of you. My best advice is to use precise logic and accurate data to help you in those types of discussions. Leave emotion, religion and labels out of it because you’ll immediately lose them after that.
I myself have been a creative person since I was 6 years old probably earlier I just don't remember all those moments. The funny thing is when you're creative and intelligent most people reject you. Because creative people are often expressive and vocal about their opinions. And they express it in such a way that they can demonstrate their logic and clarity of thought where most people who are stupid cannot This is not a bragging point this is a simple fact. All through school I scored 98 to 99% tiles on every test, I never had to study, and it passed with straight A's. And I was hated because I spoke well qnd I'm impressed teachers. But none of that really mattered. Because I was hated by everybody. They used to try psychological torment on me starting as early as the third grade and up until 12th grade. So basically I say f*** you to all then, because I marshalled on. I've always done exactly what I wanted to do. I've always said exactly what I wanted to say. I've been threatened with physical violence multiple times for this behavior. But every time I have been, I always won the fight without having to throw a punch.
wait so you never studied and got always strayed a's? How is it possible if in skool some subjects like latin only require to studie? I mean you cant be that smart that you remember everthing instantly and can repeate it even though the information is despite for a grade useless
and looks like you have have a bit of an egoproblem. Because you behave social stupid to feed your ego. Been there and its really not health. If you think you know better than everyone else, well your wordview is extrem short. So please help the people to get better and dont try to play the smartass so you can take pleasure out of there stupidity. Thats just pathetic
No. No man. I get you here. Especially the first part. Like... I'll have an idea that I think, maybe, I KNOW - is genius. And when I FINALLY show it to someone else...I (foolishly) expect: "YOU?!-Y.O.U. did THIS?!?!!" Instead... you get. "Eh. OK. So... it's like....yeah. I see." No. No, you don't. And now I kinda see WHY you don't. Maybe you can't? MAYBE you don't wish others to succeed. Either way-keep doing you, brotha. As will I.
Sucks when you’re intelligent and hate school from a very young age, just saw it as the biggest waste of time I’m could conceive of. It got to the point where the last semester of my senior year I only needed 2 classes to pass high school and was still placed in 6 other classes to fill the gap, all the good elective classes were filled up so I had to take the left over ones and regular classes. Getting punished by horrible teachers with inflated egos and dumb students with no real logic or character filled me with such hate for them both. Gave me no hope I’d be able to succeed there. A very unintelligent move on my part
I think he’s incorrect about the zebra not being camouflaged, I think it has to do with lions being colorblind and actually not being able to distinguish them from grass
Well, your hypothesis doesn't stand out, especially if the lion is colorblind... he can se black and white XD. moreover what about the leopards, crocodiles, hyenas, lycaons... If you decide to invalidate someone's statement, you'd better be at the level of the scientists who conducted the said experiment, don't you think?
Yeah but we have a society that stifles creativity now so that probably contributes to the decline in mental health also since it's a healthy form of expression or "escapism" to just write or draw etc. I think that is why so many artistic types used to be more "liberal" minded but now that mindset has become very oppressive.
Creativity is a natural function that all people posses.What the heck is he talking about? Even mundane things can be an act of creativity. When you solve problems in everyday life is being creative also. I guess at best there are different lvls of creativity.
@Blade Truth is sometimes uncomfortable, but there's nothing you can do but accept it. I think the reason why you are criticizing Peterson's statement is because it does not make you feel good about yourself.
@@resentfulandvengeful2193 Nothing to do with me. Hes speaking in absolutes re.human nature based on statistics. Statistics do not necessarily reveal the truth. I dont care what his credentials are. In this matter i simply cannot accept his claim.When my gut tells me something feels off or doesnt feel right ..in topics about human nature.. its usually because that something is not conforming to a natural truth.
@@Blade-Thing Your statement does not make any sense. Peterson have data to support his claim, and you have your gut. Guts does not necessarily reveal the truth, statistics and science is much more reliable than it. You're a good example of an illogical person. "Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." ~Friedrich Nietzsche
Well the reality is that if everyone is creative noone is creative, the word loses all meaning. Its simply not possible for everyone to be creative, however the question of whether or not a person can become creative even if they inherently arent is still very ambiguous. If i were you i would go back through what Peterson layed out in this video and really really think about his statements, especially if you disagree with them. If you dont understand why it is you disagree you cannot find the truth, youll only know your own flawed version of the truth. This goes for everything you disagree with in life, even if it truly is difficult to challenge your own beliefs in a nonbiased indiscriminate way.
Creative ancient people created the story that the universe was created. When the Catholic priest Georges Lemaître created the Big Bang theory, it followed that the Big Bang theory would be enmeshed with the idea that the universe was created by a god, as Stephen Hawking learned when he visited the pope. ... "In 1985, I attended a conference on cosmology at the Vatican in Rome. The gathering of scientists had an audience with Pope John Paul II. He told us that it was okay to study the workings of the universe, but we should not ask questions about its origin, for that was the work of God." Stephen Hawking
Yeah but we have a society that stifles creativity now so that probably contributes to the decline in mental health also since it's a healthy form of expression or "escapism" to just write or draw etc.
Hard to know what you mean by this, but I guess that's what happened to you, and that "thanks dad" is a tough one to bear. Did it break you or was it part of your path to becoming a creative, or did it help you grow as a person, or both?
I'm done with being a creative, and a digital artist. The entitlement of people, plus the gender politics that have incepted most forms of media... Right now I'll go back to cutting grass and grounds maintenance... It means getting caked in dog sh#t, but at least it's a world away from trying to wake up the deaf, and trying to get the blind to see. Creative industries have become echo chambers either for the radical left, or for the anti-capitalist ideologies... Banksy has been about the only voice that had something to say in the last two decades. If you're looking for hope that art will rejuvinate the culture... it can't. The noise from TikTok, Netflix, and News drowns it out. Besides all Art is propaganda, and becomes just another means by which ideologies begin. Afterall an ideology is where the cultural myth goes full circle and dies through the widespread societal contortion of the original message. It becomes so utilitarian, and it's 100% accurate that creatives become used up by the capitalist model. It's painful seeing artists, developers, animators, actors etc used up by the industries that profit from them, only to output a political message that becomes detrimental to both the industry, the creatives involved, and the culture as a whole. The forwards escape today requires more conservative creative solutions than liberal, and it pains me to say it. The issues of our time aren't that people need waking up to their reality, it's that people are awake, but the forwards escape from our current paradigm is lacking. The issues are more economic, ecological, and more philosophical. No amount of films, TV shows, paintings or poetry will resolve the issue. In fact it could be argued that there are so many things trying to grab the attention of people today that we need fewer people adding to the cacophony of noise with their own personal propagandised inception of how they view reality. There's little more to say anymore that hasn't already been told and retold over millenia. The real leap today is the much needed return of the polymath, and minds that can cover broad spectrums of various fields, connect the dots and then bring forth the torch of change that solves the contemporary cultural issues of the day... There are few artists out there that can really push the envelope in terms of say the manner in which the enlightenment era artist's managed to do. Today's largest leaps are in the digital sphere; crypto currencies, non-fungible tokens, blockchain, holograms, augmented reality. And the skillsets by which to navigate the world today require highly adaptive individuals... It's a new epoch, and one in which most people barely understand their smartphone or how to configure a router. As E.O. Wilson aptly says "The real problem for humanity is that we have paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions, and God-like technologies. And it is terrifically dangerous, and now approaching a point of crisis overall." In the meantime Klaus Schwab has his solution "kill off the lazy eaters"... As though this solves anything. Creating smart cities where every person is tagged and monitored whilst exiling the "Discontents" demonstrates precisely where we are. Everyone today in the world is on that knife edge between order and chaos, yet after a global pandemic people went straight back to packing boxes at Amazon under hirrific conditions, back to McDonalds flipping burgers for minimum wage, back into the corporate HR culture that fragments the human soul. Mussolini was right, tear out the feathers of a chicken, then throw some grain down and it'll come running straight back to the same hand that damaged it.
After a lifetime of manic creativity I have finally realized I'm not as conservative as I thought I was. Maybe I'll sell one of my pickups and buy a Tesla
DID you know that your creative impulses and abilities can be dampened or erased with energetic seals and implants so that you can never ever achieve anything meaningful ? We call those , lazy .
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@@josephined8576 absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much! I’m thinking this is exactly what I need because I know I am on the brink but have been feeling stuck lately. I intend to have a session.
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I disagree. I am highly creative, a writer with a novel out and Many more in the WIP stages, and am a conservative with entrepreneurial cheering and a bit of history in that. It is entrepreneurs who drive the economy forward. I don’t believe that’s exclusively non conservatives.
Funniest thing I've ever heard JP say! " I have like 600 paintings, every square inch of the house is covered with paintings. Its quite a shock for people when they come in. Well, .. cause some of them are of Lenin... surprisingly enough." :P Its funny especially because he was promoting the transformative / symbolic power of art towards creative people like himself. The fact that he chooses such oppressive themes on an intellectual level, to understand them- that makes sense. Owning artwork goes beyond that, though. If I had a bunch of HItler paintings, it wouldn't be because I was trying to understand the man. (Read Mein Kampf for that. But owning a painting is like having a Shrine to something.) Anyway JP is a highly complicated man. Thats good, or at least *not boring.* =)
In defense of Lenin, we have Einstein "“I honor Lenin as a man who completely sacrificed himself and devoted all his energy to the realization of social justice. I do not consider his methods practical, but one thing is certain: men of his type are the guardians and restorers of humanity. The Bolshevist experiment may be worth trying. But I think that Russia errs badly in the execution of her ideal. The Russians make the mistake of putting party faith above efficiency. They replace efficient men by politicians. Their test stone of public service is not the accomplishment but devotion to a rigid creed.” Einstein wasn't wrong there. Orwell hated Lenin and Stalin because they gave socialism "guilt by association" - Einstein basically is saying "well at least his heart was in the right place." Both Orwell and Einstein (and MLK Jr and Gandhi) were all hard-core, die-hard socialists. Especially MLK Jr. :(
He says some people want to visit Europe just to see the impressive buildings. And I'm sure there's people who wanted to visit the Playboy mansion just to meet Hef.
Generally I'm a fan of Dr Peterson but there's alot in this, not much of it good or in my opinion right. Reasons for choosing artistic paths are really varied, and definitely don't boil down to introvert-extrovert personality demarcations. The choice itself has implications for how personality will develop over time, for instance. The artists of the world can definitely do without psychology czars talking about their 'role' or 'function' in this disturbing manner. At any rate, discussion about art, creativity, and where artistsic endeavour fits in is not evenly progressed by the kinds of strident assertions Dr Peterson is inclined to make. Why does he sound like he's giving a sword to social engineers when talking about creative artists?
The personality traits he's discussing in this talk is between openess and conscientiousness, primarily, and not extraversion (the general term of the one you pointed out to be introvert-extrovert personality demarcations). That's a misinterpretation. (You can refer to the Big 5 Model of personality to learn more about this.) Let me try to clarify the difference between the two traits. Open (creative) people are not bounded by rules. They are unpredictable, innovative, chaotic, and disruptive. While conscientious people are bounded by precedent, like lawyers, soldiers, and accountants; They like rules and the maintenance of order. These two traits (in this context) are great biological markers for the job preference of an individual. A more open (creative) individual tends to become an artist (musician, painter, entrepreneur, etc.) And a more conscientious individual prefers stable, rule-bounded jobs. Like being a manager. There's actually nothing disturbing about this if you think about it. We all have differences, and that's good! Also, it's important to understand that it's actually virtually impossible change your personality overtime. There's no simple route for altercation. What you have is what you get for the rest of your life (in most cases). Like our height for example. These are hardcore science, and it's horrible, but there's nothing we can do about it at the moment. I don't hear anything that Jordan pointed out be really stupid. So, I don't get what you're trying to insinuate. But if there's something that I've missed, then feel free to lay your case.
@@luckyjones2409 I think Dr Peterson's apparent sensitivity to art is commendable, but all human beings express their imaginations one way or another, and scientific psychology's method of labelling and categorizing 'creative' people does not say anything about their output. Instead it insulates the audience which takes these categories seriously from the immediacy of experiencing the messages of creatives. Cold analysis like this video does nothing whatsoever to help people understand the messages coming through creative media, and is counterproductive to Dr Peterson's freedom of speech message.
And this is why conservatives will continue to lose the culture war, and institutions will continue to be lean heavily left. Even as a leftist, as much as I disagree with conservatives and often genuinely think they’re ideas are evil; I want diversity of thoughts and opinions, especially in the arts, it would certainly be refreshing.
Another way that creatives are born are through poverty, I myself have been poor most of my life and I'm told to be the most creative person ever in my school. Most great artists throughout our history have been peasants if you really think about it.
U see my father is a very strict , boring , ignorant and closed minded individual and he wants me to work a stario typical job , he often enforces his shitty rat race mentality on me and thats due to the fact that he's a pesimist. I want to be scuccesful in my own way without working a job. I study the stock market and how to invest everyday so that when he kicks me out which he said he'll do , i can stand on my own two feet and be able to make money.
lets attempt to condition someone for a position they would never ever be prepared to apply for... because that's a totally logical waste of energy isn't it...kmt bloody fool!!!.
i’m a producer, an artist, and spend all my days thinking of crazy ideas and trying to execute me. It’s built into me. If I work a real job, I get depressed and find I no longer find a will to live.
however, creating and appreciating art brings me joy, and i love my life!
@@sam-ub5ux same brother. Wish you the best on your career!
I'm just the same, the only job I got that doesn't kill me as much is being a game systems programmer
I really feel that, the feeling of not wanting to be here anymore. When I work a job that just does not interest me it hurts inside
@@shenijimenez403 Nice!! I want to be something like that in the future. Whats it like
As a creative person in a moment of transition in life, trying to get myself to give more value to my own creativity... this was like water in the desert.
Beautifully said!
In defense of Lenin, we have Einstein "“I honor Lenin as a man who completely sacrificed himself and devoted all his energy to the realization of social justice. I do not consider his methods practical, but one thing is certain: men of his type are the guardians and restorers of humanity.” JP is right about crushing creativity at a certain level with schools. At another level, there never has been a creative or destructive person. One can only transform. Its funny that JP has millions of dollars of Lenin paintings, yet hates on Lenin. Now thats a REAL capitalist. :)
I‘m in the exact same situation! And just this step of realising just that, understanding that creativity is this huge part of me, and that I need to give it the space it always demanded, makes me feel like some sort of flip switched.
Your comment has had the same effect on me sir🙏🏼
"It's like discussing color with someone who is a colorblind " OMG 😭😭😭🤌
You put my feelings in one sentence 😂
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@@omardelmar 🤜
The creative people, the dreamers, the diy builders are what built this country and civilization as we know it
I used to be very cynical. I found everything in life meaningless and pertaining to a future of despair.
Until I found the conceptual significance of a jazzy metal music from a Swedish Death Metal band named Opeth.
Then I started to see the conceptual significance of many more things and found a thinking-man's martial art.
Then I found Jordan B Peterson in 2016, and I was completely unearthed.
Reality is INDEED as interesting and cool as a virtual world, a video game, or a written fantasy.
I'm actually quite sad that advancements in technology are so ready and willing to throw out the significance of reality.
Lmaooo nice fellow metalhead
Btw, psychedelic studies will open the doors of reality and mind for the great public. When they get to change some laws in the US they get to really research those magic compounds! Who knows what we find and how they help us to manage this chaotic mess we call life, or reality. :)
Oh, and yes music is something! I have changed to a quite happy and hopeful person, too. No going back to fear and negativity. I have my life to live!
What martial art is that?
@@nefelibatacomingthrough2707 what fucking drugs are you talking about druggie
Meaningless is only a bad thing if you value meaning over the lack there of. But that turns life into a quest for meaning, and when you can't accept the fundamental truth that any meaning is a superimposed structure of the mind, then you're stuck in a loop trying to find something that doesn't exist.
Everything is pointless and that's great. It's funny how serious we all go about our lives when we don't even know anything about it. Stuck in a world of symbols and constructs, never really there to experience life for what it is. Always in thought.
What is thought but a distraction from experiencing reality for what it is.
Right when I think I couldn't possibly love this man any more, I hear him speak and I am proved wrong.
"there's no reason to be creative unless you have a problem to solve" ... Well holy shit that put my life and job into perspective 🤣
"Creativity emerge when you have serious constraints on things"
Will you please explain it?
@@iamjust1normalgirlfromindi446 6:19-6:22 Peterson was trying to explain that "Hard times create creative people" Famous example is J.K Rowling and Vincent Van Gogh.
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Thinking outside the box is a waste of time if there’s wrong with thinking inside the box
@@wesleywallace4426 please check your statement again.... I guess there's some typing error because this statement doesn't make sense
@@iamjust1normalgirlfromindi446 no it makes sense
There are serious amounts of information here, and im so happy to get this all for free. You're a legend Jordan.
I love art. Would have paintings up where I live if it was my own. I would have a wooden hutch where I could display my beautiful china tea cups. I love writing, and listening to music and watching movies, especially historical dramas and get to see the beautiful costumes. Art is everywhere, and I am so glad that my parents have encouraged me in my writing, and bought me my first writing desk.
I deeply appreciate this man. Thank you for making a lot of things start to make more sense at a later point in my life.
Whenever he brings up the story of Lenin paintings in his home, it quickly puts smile on my face. I love good irony and that one is the crown jewel of them... 🤣
A conversation between j. Peterson and kanye west would be really interesting to see
This video should have more views and likes, it’s brilliantly edited
Thank you!
Creative people are less in numbers than conservative people.
This is the best video I've heard from Jordan Peterson the content is unbelievable the best thing is the laugh
I love the starry night socks. While talking about art and creativity
Yes.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
14:05 As a Canadian, I felt that one
Fellow Canadian here too …100%
So I'm not the only one who shrivels up and dies when I don't create. I'm trying to get back in to my art, but it's not going very well.
humor is a good indicator of intelligence and jordan is just too funny when he wants to be
Ive noticed that people generally approve of creativity if that creative person (or creation) is presented to them by someone of "authority" in their community.
Someone they respect and obey,like the local village priest or corporations.
People obey people with a lot of money.
Not creative enough to funnel huge sums of fortune thru artwork (: just creative enough to attempt the most of my ideas- by myself, when no one is there to see it did work.
Also- comedy is an Art. Look at the scrutiny encircling it’s freedom of speech. For speaking the truth- that some don’t want to be brought to light.
art is in the movement of your thoughts
I tried to find a career or a job that was proper and decent and respected but couldn't find it. I grew up depressed and spent over 10 years doing drugs. One day JBP said that if creative people don't create they are miserable. I remembered my teenage years when making music and it all clicked. I didn't choose music because there wasn't respect for it in our house. Music (or arts) wasn't a "real career option" so I tried to do what was asked and goddamn that was a huge mistake. At least I have suffered now so the art will be awesome!!1 xD
Creative people ask questions......don't they??
Brilliant brilliant brilliant thank you for ANOTHER GEM Jordan 💎
12:35 the dream is what mediates between order and chaos. Goose bumps, this is so real.
Real creativity is the art of illusion. It's the capacity to make something appear like something other than what it is or to use something for a purpose other than what it's intended for. The Hindu Goddess creates the universe through the illusion of a multiplicity from the One.
Yes I agree 🙏 I am posting a short on my channel soon that is a spit of a doggie sent from above 🙏✨
I think it's to reveal the fractal of patterns that make up a 'thing' it's not to create illusions but to expose them
Maya 🙏🏽
Damn, honestly to me, the best art is not drawn with the intention of it being a piece but rather with the movement of an image, the idea that there is a sudden and static beauty to anything that seems small yet crafted from a complex language of symbolism. To me, art is a language best spoken by the ones who are truly free.
Greatly appreciated this comment as a Platonist.
Thanks dr.peterson. i needed to learn this stuff
A very educated and intelligent man.I admire his articulate speech
I’m almost withered away, had a hard life growing up and blocked out memories, I’m 21 with no life goal working a 9-5 at a pizza place. No money or family connections to share things like car and health insurance. 3rd grade invited to a gifted and talented school-didn’t get to go. Never fit in with barely any crowd at school. Told by my food tech teacher in HS I could qualify for a gifted and talented program. Graduated with a 1.7 gpa because I just couldn’t force myself to pay attention to the bad teachers (virtually all of them) the harder classes were easier but way more work, took up too much time so I didn’t like it but got good grades in those classes
Atm I hate my life and don’t even know what things I like to do, I have a cyst that’s been spreading for some years I’m worried about and is keeping me from a higher paying job. I’m 25lbs under my normal weight and anxious of everything-- help
@@ElKay500 try to build a skill, (either from online free sources or offer someone free help so you can learn a skill), even if it seems you don't like the skill you're willing to learn, just learn it and try to be good at it (use your smart brain to learn it well). After some time, you'll be good at this skill, of course, you will then meet people with a common interest (even if you are still not interested in it), you'll have something to talk about, and you may start a career. Through time you'll either like what you learned and continue in life, or you'll figure it out through the connections and opportunities you were exposed to. After all, if you feel like doing nothing it is actually because you're not happy, and this is a good sign that you should change something, in your behavior, your mindset, in your relationships. Just lower your expectations and be aware of your environment, and move. I advise you to follow an Instagram page i am working on it, it's called "Progress with Joy", i'll try to express my feelings freely on this page, and i'm sure that it will help. keep it up bro, love you.
Ali Moghnieh great comment. I spent my twenties learning music, ended up teaching kids, then found a career as a military jazz musician for twenty years. Now I’m retiring and many options are open to me…all coming from being 19,20,21….and noticing I wasn’t happy, and focusing on a skill that I enjoyed learning…and seeing and noticing little moments of progress with the teachers I had. I’m fifty now and the creative energy is very much there…and now I have the resources and time to pick the path and go with it…not unlike when I was 20…Brian, find that thing that turns you on…explore it and learn it and find the best teachers for it. That will lead you. And the boring pizza job will take on new meaning. It will provide money to pay for the new path forward. Enjoy, brother! I certainly have so far:)
@@alimoghnieh5661 thank you for the wisdom🙏 I’ll use all of it as best as I can!
@@escapist502 happy to hear that you're doing great. btw 2 month ago i borrowed an org from a friend and I'm having fun with it, I'm trying to learn songs i like, just like "interstellar"
yeah, its a prophetic thing ...
thais man just explained, predicted, analysed and my life
Sin duda uno de los mejores resúmenes de lo que significa ser una persona creativa! 🤯
I´m creative guy.. I´m living my dream.
People have this love and hate relationship toward creativity.(I mean the non creative types)
They want to be creative because they are aware of the value of creativity in society (which is huge) but at the same time they feel shame for not being creative,which creates jealousy and envy in those people,toward the ones who are creative.
They also dont want to be creative because they are aware that you have to work REALLY HARD to become creative.
I do not believe it: I just bought the same socks Yesterday 😂😂😂😂😂
I agree with Jordan Peterson about art and creativity. It defines me well. That being said, feel free to purchase an awesome painting of mine. Commissions, too. I’m only slightly joking and my bold statement applies definitely to you, Peterson! Thanks for exploring the life of creative people.
Do other artists neglect their passion when they are really stressed? I always have for some reason and I feel much better when I create again. It’s like I know it’s what I need and what I love but I have to make myself do it.
Same:)
I used to do that… i learned how to channel my negative energy towards my art. I’m a songwriter/artist & ever since i’ve been able to figure that out, i’ve created the best music i ever have in my entire life. Depression, stress, anger… these things at surface level are burdens, but underneath that surface there is something there. Those 3 things can be channeled & transferred into strengths. You just have to figure out how to use it to your advantage. have an amazing day.
@@cloudboy.x It's comforting to know I'm not the only one! I too am a songwriter :) and I feel strongly to create something meaningful out of all of that negative energy. I will try to channel it as you say and make it into a strength. Thank you!
I struggle with this as being a dancer and engineer student. One can stress out the other but I know if I can push myself to at least attempt at creating I can become better
I don't think they neglect their passion so much as lose it depressed people have no interest in activities they used to enjoy that's an indication actually a symptom.
Me-dutiful ✔️, Christian ✔️, conservative ✔️, office administrator ✔️, creative ✔️ artist ✔️, walking paradox ✔️.
This is great stuff but wtf was Jordan Peterson on during this
This is when he started getting the disease of Christianity
Probably had to pee.
@@zebunker -_-
The energy of the crowd man.
Can't you hear them? He was riffing.
It was exquisite interplay from his position between him and the crowd.
The creative workers think of and design innovations, and then the conservative workers implement them. You cannot have one without the other and both are invaluable. This is why I'm not strictly white collar or blue collar. I love people of every cloth because I understand we need them all.
It’s hard to showcase innovative ideas and inventions in todays world. We can’t just pitch ideas to companies. You need a degree and experience before anyone will even think of listening. Their needs to be a school for creative individuals. Have them problem solve and give their input on a vast array of subjects. It’s like finding a needle in a haystack with the current structure. A lot of times the needles are never found and stuck wasting away somewhere. Never amounting to their potential. You multiply this scenario all over and it hinders our world as a whole.
Finally a video of him that is not driven by fascism and idiocy
Im a creative person.
Im well aware of the fact that the "lions" just wait for a chance to sink their teeth into your neck.
Thats why i love the internet.
I can be creative here without the fear of violence from agressive people.
But of course,there are a lot of things that you are simply not allowed to do or to create even on the internet.
There might not be that many factories anymore, but there are plenty of warehouses and other jobs that follow the same factory worker mindset. It's quite sad to see it and even worse to experience it as a creative person. You can see how many people, if not all people in that workplace look dead inside but pretend to look alright in front of the media and their bosses.
No, see, now you're applying your mindset to them.
I'm a very creative person, in fact, I'm a professional musician. But I wasn't always, I have worked in those places (honestly it sounds like you've just seen them on TV based on what you've said), they are not dead inside. In fact the people in places like that are some of the most lively people I've ever met in my life, and I've met and interacted with thousands and thousands of people. I was the one who was dead inside, most of them are not only fine with that, they enjoy it. Not all of them, anyone with any ambition or creativity to them hated it. That's not to say those people are better in anyway, all of these different types of people are necessary.
In the nicest way possible, we need people like that, in the same way the world needs people like me and people like you. We all have our differences, and those differences are what lead us to find our place in the world.
@@highestsettings I see, and yes I may have overspoken when I said everyone. I was mainly reffering to other creative people but yes, I agree that all types of individuals are necessary.
@@emykus7717 That's okay, perhaps I was being pedantic.
Only 7% of our communication is words, it's easy to get wires crossed online.
I used to play piano/keyboards and was pretty good. I would jump in bands and do gigs without knowing any of the songs and figure them out on the fly. But there was no DAMN MONEY IN IT.
So I learned that being creative is profitable for the very very few. For the rest its a life of poverty. By the way I'm 100% Trump supporting conservative.
From all the creative people 1% succeeds heavily while the other 99% of creative people have to see how to get by. Pareto distribution at its finest.
Same, except I play Cello. At one point I was pretty good at it, mostly played in orchestras and chamber groups. There was some money in it, enough to keep a college aged kid happy enough to keep doing it. I played in the college orchestra on a scholarship that paid for a good chunk of my tuition. Which was all fine and good but out in the real world it wasn't going to pay the bills.
Years later I took a dive back into a creative line of work, pastry chef. I enjoyed it, I was pretty good at it. And I made barely enough to survive. After years of that I clawed my way up to a sort of decent paying job, and then Covid came along and destroyed that line of work. Seriously, it's done. The jobs I see advertised now are no better paying then they were 10+ years ago, while everything else has pushed wages up considerably just to attract workers. I was forced to get a job in a factory. Yeah, really. I despise work now, but I'm making more than I have in decades.
One of my favorite authors who just made an obscene amount of money on Kickstarter addressed this problem once. He said he belongs to a writing club, with some pro authors as well as a bunch of amateurs who just do it for fun. Several of which, in his estimation, were better writers than him and he learned a lot from them. But they have had zero luck getting published and just do it in their spare time because they enjoy it.
So yeah, Jordan is right. Being creative is virtually impossible to monetize, and will probably drive you crazy and/or kill you. It's the price you pay for the ability to see the world in many different ways I guess.
Art and its many forms is rarely profitable for the individual creating it. Ironically if artists stopped creating, growth and change for humanity would die over night. I too dabble in multiple artistic disciplines none of which have led to financial security. Instead I have been in a 20 year struggle to keep my head above the water. I don't realistically ever expect to wealthy because of art, but I instead take comfort in knowing while yes I suffered etc... my art will ripple out through humanity influencing it in one way or another for hundreds if not thousands of years. That's the difference between a non-creative and creative, while non-creatives produce goods that have instant relevance and use, an artists contributions often reshape the world... it just takes time. Unfortunately humans have a terribly short life span when paralleled with change, so the results of world altering influence rarely happens within that artists life. Thus leaving you with the choice to either make money and get by in an everyday sort of existence or take risks, be poor and long after your dead you might change the world. Very few choose or can endure the latter for a litany of reasons, which is completely understandable. But I do hold out hope one day after our current world systems collapse the next iteration of global societies recognizes the value of the creatives and incorporates them properly.
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Love your reply
Im the introverted child that was taught to be social by his extroverted mom hahaha
I’m so glad I comprehend this discussion 😊 ... it means I have something in me still 👋
After reading the comments it seems I am alone 🤣
You give yourself too much credit it seems.
@@uncensored393 actually I understate everything ... not so clever clogs
I mean yeah it's good that you can follow along to the conversation but there's some really well thought out comments on here.
Don't be thinking that you're alone man
He said, "Liberals are more open-minded than conservatives." A more appropriate statement would have been, "Moderates are more open-minded than conservatives AND liberals." While both sides blindly follow the viewpoints of their party, moderates listen to both sides, which is literally the definition of OPEN-MINDED. Listening to others rather than forcing your one-side opinion mathematically produces more creativity.
Interesting proposition, but I think it has a failure on it. First, what makes you think they do not have any liberal ideologies? And second, of course they have to listen to both sides, that's what a moderator is supposed to do. If you don't do a good job, you probably will not be hired to do that in the future. That does not mean they are more open-minded (although it could be the case). Would you be more ethical than other person if, let's say a call center, demands you to be polite with your customers? Of course not. You probably will curse on mute at one of them that is giving you a hard time. But that is what you are supposed to do. The job someone does often does not dictate the individual's behaviour or ideologies, although of course doing a job you do not like or one that does not complement the Self is nuts, but still people do it; sometimes because they don't have other choice.
Also, I have a question: would you mind to share with me the maths that produces more creativity when you listen to others?
@@gerardo49078 I think you have the definition of moderate wrong. You just described a “moderator”. I was talking about a political moderate. A moderate is a person who openly listens to all viewpoints regardless of political side. If a person is able to listen every viewpoint, they will easily find themselves agreeing with many liberal ideologies AND conservative ideologies. To be 100% liberal is basically saying you have no ideas of your own. Accepting every idea created from a party is nonsensical. For example, Liberals tend to agree about global warming. But the party has chosen to stop oil production in the United States as one solution. Unfortunately this actually increases global warming because Americans still need to import goods and commute using oil. But now, the oil must come from halfway across the world. I’m an engineer. It takes energy to transport mass. Ships use the lowest cost energy which is typically unrefined high sulfur crude oil. The closer the production, the less carbon emissions created. Unfortunately, choosing to produce oil locally is a conservative viewpoint, so Liberals blocked the ideology from their minds out of fear of being mislabeled. A moderate doesn’t care about labels and instead looks at the big picture. As for the mathematics behind the creativity, I can come back to this comment and give you more insight later. For this I’ll have to dive into variables and how our brain works. Please remind me by responding to the comment.
Exactly! I had the same thought when I heard him talking during this. I consider myself in the middle. Agreing on some liberal and some conservative things awell as disagreeing a bit on both sides. I really feel in the minority, because I have hard time arguing with anyone, especially online. You argue with a liberal you're immdietly labeled conservative, you argue with a conservative then you're a liberal to them. And either no longer wants to even listen. I very rarely see anyone who is even remotely trying to see it from both angle, especially on politicial topics.
@@Thesamurai1999 stay strong Link. The world needs more of you. My best advice is to use precise logic and accurate data to help you in those types of discussions. Leave emotion, religion and labels out of it because you’ll immediately lose them after that.
@@r3vmixman Aww thanks! And aye, data is important and also to be able to accept defeat and admit when you've lost an argument :)
“And Canada is ugly as sin man”… savagery 😆😆😆🤣
I like the Persian rug on the floor, is it actually Persian?
No it’s not 😂🤣😂.,, but I think the coffee table is feng shy 😂 or Ikea .,. But on the whole it’s dualist
Thank youuu
Artists teach people to see
Perfect
Bom dia!
anyone know the link for the full lecture video?
I myself have been a creative person since I was 6 years old probably earlier I just don't remember all those moments.
The funny thing is when you're creative and intelligent most people reject you. Because creative people are often expressive and vocal about their opinions. And they express it in such a way that they can demonstrate their logic and clarity of thought where most people who are stupid cannot
This is not a bragging point this is a simple fact. All through school I scored 98 to 99% tiles on every test, I never had to study, and it passed with straight A's.
And I was hated because I spoke well qnd I'm impressed teachers.
But none of that really mattered. Because I was hated by everybody. They used to try psychological torment on me starting as early as the third grade and up until 12th grade.
So basically I say f*** you to all then, because I marshalled on. I've always done exactly what I wanted to do. I've always said exactly what I wanted to say.
I've been threatened with physical violence multiple times for this behavior.
But every time I have been, I always won the fight without having to throw a punch.
wait so you never studied and got always strayed a's? How is it possible if in skool some subjects like latin only require to studie? I mean you cant be that smart that you remember everthing instantly
and can repeate it even though the information is despite for a grade useless
and looks like you have have a bit of an egoproblem. Because you behave social stupid to feed your ego. Been there and its really not health. If you think you know better than everyone else, well your wordview is extrem short. So please help the people to get better and dont try to play the smartass so you can take pleasure out of there stupidity. Thats just pathetic
i mean i dont know you but its not unlikly that you are doing what i mentioned
No. No man. I get you here. Especially the first part. Like... I'll have an idea that I think, maybe, I KNOW - is genius. And when I FINALLY show it to someone else...I (foolishly) expect: "YOU?!-Y.O.U. did THIS?!?!!"
Instead... you get. "Eh. OK. So... it's like....yeah. I see."
No. No, you don't.
And now I kinda see WHY you don't. Maybe you can't? MAYBE you don't wish others to succeed. Either way-keep doing you, brotha. As will I.
Sucks when you’re intelligent and hate school from a very young age, just saw it as the biggest waste of time I’m could conceive of. It got to the point where the last semester of my senior year I only needed 2 classes to pass high school and was still placed in 6 other classes to fill the gap, all the good elective classes were filled up so I had to take the left over ones and regular classes. Getting punished by horrible teachers with inflated egos and dumb students with no real logic or character filled me with such hate for them both. Gave me no hope I’d be able to succeed there. A very unintelligent move on my part
Damn I'm glad I stayed after I realized this was 17 min
I think he’s incorrect about the zebra not being camouflaged, I think it has to do with lions being colorblind and actually not being able to distinguish them from grass
Well, your hypothesis doesn't stand out, especially if the lion is colorblind... he can se black and white XD. moreover what about the leopards, crocodiles, hyenas, lycaons...
If you decide to invalidate someone's statement, you'd better be at the level of the scientists who conducted the said experiment, don't you think?
Yeah but we have a society that stifles creativity now so that probably contributes to the decline in mental health also since it's a healthy form of expression or "escapism" to just write or draw etc. I think that is why so many artistic types used to be more "liberal" minded but now that mindset has become very oppressive.
Are you creative though?
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I'm so glad i toured Europe 30 years ago for 2 months . Sorry Mr. Peterson , Vancouver was beautiful to me
Sure, Vancouver is more beautiful than Rome or Paris. Definitley
Creativity is a natural function that all people posses.What the heck is he talking about? Even mundane things can be an act of creativity. When you solve problems in everyday life is being creative also. I guess at best there are different lvls of creativity.
@Blade Truth is sometimes uncomfortable, but there's nothing you can do but accept it. I think the reason why you are criticizing Peterson's statement is because it does not make you feel good about yourself.
@@resentfulandvengeful2193 Nothing to do with me. Hes speaking in absolutes re.human nature based on statistics. Statistics do not necessarily reveal the truth. I dont care what his credentials are. In this matter i simply cannot accept his claim.When my gut tells me something feels off or doesnt feel right ..in topics about human nature.. its usually because that something is not conforming to a natural truth.
@@Blade-Thing Your statement does not make any sense. Peterson have data to support his claim, and you have your gut. Guts does not necessarily reveal the truth, statistics and science is much more reliable than it. You're a good example of an illogical person.
"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." ~Friedrich Nietzsche
Well the reality is that if everyone is creative noone is creative, the word loses all meaning.
Its simply not possible for everyone to be creative, however the question of whether or not a person can become creative even if they inherently arent is still very ambiguous. If i were you i would go back through what Peterson layed out in this video and really really think about his statements, especially if you disagree with them.
If you dont understand why it is you disagree you cannot find the truth, youll only know your own flawed version of the truth. This goes for everything you disagree with in life, even if it truly is difficult to challenge your own beliefs in a nonbiased indiscriminate way.
@@Blade-Thing .
4:56 Interference pattern.
5:15 Intentional or coincidence?
Feynman does a similar thing in another interview but he highlights his specialty with a photoelectric effect. Light, sound, heat...
what are you trying to say?
"Are you creative?"
"See my socks"
I thought I was gonna receive a phone call :D 5:10
To the caption: Yes I am, and I don’t need TH-cam to tell me…. I fucks with JP tho 💯🙏🏾
Creative ancient people created the story that the universe was created. When the Catholic priest Georges Lemaître created the Big Bang theory, it followed that the Big Bang theory would be enmeshed with the idea that the universe was created by a god, as Stephen Hawking learned when he visited the pope. ... "In 1985, I attended a conference on cosmology at the Vatican in Rome. The gathering of scientists had an audience with Pope John Paul II. He told us that it was okay to study the workings of the universe, but we should not ask questions about its origin, for that was the work of God." Stephen Hawking
Yeah but we have a society that stifles creativity now so that probably contributes to the decline in mental health also since it's a healthy form of expression or "escapism" to just write or draw etc.
"If you want a creative child, die before they're ten", huh, thanks dad.
Hard to know what you mean by this, but I guess that's what happened to you, and that "thanks dad" is a tough one to bear. Did it break you or was it part of your path to becoming a creative, or did it help you grow as a person, or both?
I'm done with being a creative, and a digital artist. The entitlement of people, plus the gender politics that have incepted most forms of media... Right now I'll go back to cutting grass and grounds maintenance... It means getting caked in dog sh#t, but at least it's a world away from trying to wake up the deaf, and trying to get the blind to see. Creative industries have become echo chambers either for the radical left, or for the anti-capitalist ideologies... Banksy has been about the only voice that had something to say in the last two decades.
If you're looking for hope that art will rejuvinate the culture... it can't. The noise from TikTok, Netflix, and News drowns it out. Besides all Art is propaganda, and becomes just another means by which ideologies begin. Afterall an ideology is where the cultural myth goes full circle and dies through the widespread societal contortion of the original message.
It becomes so utilitarian, and it's 100% accurate that creatives become used up by the capitalist model. It's painful seeing artists, developers, animators, actors etc used up by the industries that profit from them, only to output a political message that becomes detrimental to both the industry, the creatives involved, and the culture as a whole.
The forwards escape today requires more conservative creative solutions than liberal, and it pains me to say it.
The issues of our time aren't that people need waking up to their reality, it's that people are awake, but the forwards escape from our current paradigm is lacking. The issues are more economic, ecological, and more philosophical. No amount of films, TV shows, paintings or poetry will resolve the issue. In fact it could be argued that there are so many things trying to grab the attention of people today that we need fewer people adding to the cacophony of noise with their own personal propagandised inception of how they view reality.
There's little more to say anymore that hasn't already been told and retold over millenia.
The real leap today is the much needed return of the polymath, and minds that can cover broad spectrums of various fields, connect the dots and then bring forth the torch of change that solves the contemporary cultural issues of the day... There are few artists out there that can really push the envelope in terms of say the manner in which the enlightenment era artist's managed to do. Today's largest leaps are in the digital sphere; crypto currencies, non-fungible tokens, blockchain, holograms, augmented reality. And the skillsets by which to navigate the world today require highly adaptive individuals... It's a new epoch, and one in which most people barely understand their smartphone or how to configure a router.
As E.O. Wilson aptly says "The real problem for humanity is that we have paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions, and God-like technologies. And it is terrifically dangerous, and now approaching a point of crisis overall."
In the meantime Klaus Schwab has his solution "kill off the lazy eaters"... As though this solves anything. Creating smart cities where every person is tagged and monitored whilst exiling the "Discontents" demonstrates precisely where we are.
Everyone today in the world is on that knife edge between order and chaos, yet after a global pandemic people went straight back to packing boxes at Amazon under hirrific conditions, back to McDonalds flipping burgers for minimum wage, back into the corporate HR culture that fragments the human soul.
Mussolini was right, tear out the feathers of a chicken, then throw some grain down and it'll come running straight back to the same hand that damaged it.
After a lifetime of manic creativity I have finally realized I'm not as conservative as I thought I was. Maybe I'll sell one of my pickups and buy a Tesla
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We call those , lazy .
Please explain, I’m intrigued
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@@josephined8576 absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much! I’m thinking this is exactly what I need because I know I am on the brink but have been feeling stuck lately. I intend to have a session.
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In which way JP is he creative? I mean REAL creativity
He paints and writes songs, or at least lyrics. afaik
Listen to how he express himself and forms his ideas. Creativity right there bruh.
Well you should first understand the definition of creativity. what is Real creativity?
did you listen to the conversation ?
I disagree. I am highly creative, a writer with a novel out and Many more in the WIP stages, and am a conservative with entrepreneurial cheering and a bit of history in that.
It is entrepreneurs who drive the economy forward. I don’t believe that’s exclusively non conservatives.
Entrepreneur mentality*
Funniest thing I've ever heard JP say! " I have like 600 paintings, every square inch of the house is covered with paintings. Its quite a shock for people when they come in. Well, .. cause some of them are of Lenin... surprisingly enough." :P Its funny especially because he was promoting the transformative / symbolic power of art towards creative people like himself. The fact that he chooses such oppressive themes on an intellectual level, to understand them- that makes sense. Owning artwork goes beyond that, though. If I had a bunch of HItler paintings, it wouldn't be because I was trying to understand the man. (Read Mein Kampf for that. But owning a painting is like having a Shrine to something.) Anyway JP is a highly complicated man. Thats good, or at least *not boring.* =)
See my socks. Ever gently raising his pants like Cinderella
In defense of Lenin, we have Einstein "“I honor Lenin as a man who completely sacrificed himself and devoted all his energy to the realization of social justice. I do not consider his methods practical, but one thing is certain: men of his type are the guardians and restorers of humanity. The Bolshevist experiment may be worth trying. But I think that Russia errs badly in the execution of her ideal. The Russians make the mistake of putting party faith above efficiency. They replace efficient men by politicians. Their test stone of public service is not the accomplishment but devotion to a rigid creed.” Einstein wasn't wrong there. Orwell hated Lenin and Stalin because they gave socialism "guilt by association" - Einstein basically is saying "well at least his heart was in the right place." Both Orwell and Einstein (and MLK Jr and Gandhi) were all hard-core, die-hard socialists. Especially MLK Jr. :(
7:59 🥺 is it easy to crush creativity?! Nooooo...........
He says some people want to visit Europe just to see the impressive buildings. And I'm sure there's people who wanted to visit the Playboy mansion just to meet Hef.
No Mr Peterson, this is Patrick!
Wow, I could listen to him for 50 minutes straight. Oh wait...
Generally I'm a fan of Dr Peterson but there's alot in this, not much of it good or in my opinion right. Reasons for choosing artistic paths are really varied, and definitely don't boil down to introvert-extrovert personality demarcations. The choice itself has implications for how personality will develop over time, for instance. The artists of the world can definitely do without psychology czars talking about their 'role' or 'function' in this disturbing manner. At any rate, discussion about art, creativity, and where artistsic endeavour fits in is not evenly progressed by the kinds of strident assertions Dr Peterson is inclined to make. Why does he sound like he's giving a sword to social engineers when talking about creative artists?
The personality traits he's discussing in this talk is between openess and conscientiousness, primarily, and not extraversion (the general term of the one you pointed out to be introvert-extrovert personality demarcations). That's a misinterpretation. (You can refer to the Big 5 Model of personality to learn more about this.)
Let me try to clarify the difference between the two traits. Open (creative) people are not bounded by rules. They are unpredictable, innovative, chaotic, and disruptive. While conscientious people are bounded by precedent, like lawyers, soldiers, and accountants; They like rules and the maintenance of order.
These two traits (in this context) are great biological markers for the job preference of an individual. A more open (creative) individual tends to become an artist (musician, painter, entrepreneur, etc.) And a more conscientious individual prefers stable, rule-bounded jobs. Like being a manager.
There's actually nothing disturbing about this if you think about it. We all have differences, and that's good!
Also, it's important to understand that it's actually virtually impossible change your personality overtime. There's no simple route for altercation. What you have is what you get for the rest of your life (in most cases). Like our height for example. These are hardcore science, and it's horrible, but there's nothing we can do about it at the moment.
I don't hear anything that Jordan pointed out be really stupid. So, I don't get what you're trying to insinuate. But if there's something that I've missed, then feel free to lay your case.
@@luckyjones2409 I think Dr Peterson's apparent sensitivity to art is commendable, but all human beings express their imaginations one way or another, and scientific psychology's method of labelling and categorizing 'creative' people does not say anything about their output. Instead it insulates the audience which takes these categories seriously from the immediacy of experiencing the messages of creatives.
Cold analysis like this video does nothing whatsoever to help people understand the messages coming through creative media, and is counterproductive to Dr Peterson's freedom of speech message.
And this is why conservatives will continue to lose the culture war, and institutions will continue to be lean heavily left. Even as a leftist, as much as I disagree with conservatives and often genuinely think they’re ideas are evil; I want diversity of thoughts and opinions, especially in the arts, it would certainly be refreshing.
No. I am not.
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Another way that creatives are born are through poverty, I myself have been poor most of my life and I'm told to be the most creative person ever in my school. Most great artists throughout our history have been peasants if you really think about it.
There is a question about why Canadians are like that. The real reason is because they have a big bully next door that can't stand being outshined.
Clean your room!
U see my father is a very strict , boring , ignorant and closed minded individual and he wants me to work a stario typical job , he often enforces his shitty rat race mentality on me and thats due to the fact that he's a pesimist. I want to be scuccesful in my own way without working a job. I study the stock market and how to invest everyday so that when he kicks me out which he said he'll do , i can stand on my own two feet and be able to make money.
Green is not a creative color
Now let's all agree, to never be creative again
@@robbiesullivan2482 Fire reference
nope just an angry person
Picasso was maybe a genius but he was a womanizing jerk and his cubism was most likely induced by imbibing an overly generous amounts of Absinthe
Jordan? Are you a benzodiazapan addict?
lets attempt to condition someone for a position they would never ever be prepared to apply for... because that's a totally logical waste of energy isn't it...kmt bloody fool!!!.
😂 yeah sure more of what now type of person aswel
The sweet tank apically reject because egg electronically love like a voiceless shears. berserk, deafening organization
lmfao what are you joking? ahahhahahahahhahahahha Jordan Peterson go invent something you clown imitation intellectual