As soon as I heard Lonnie struggled with having a pull towards gay/sexual stuff after God used him powerfully in the Jesus movement, I thought he probably needed both inner healing and deliverance from being sexually violated. My husband had something similar happen as a child, and in our married life he struggled against this inner and involuntary pull to wear women's clothes! Lots of spiritual warfare, churches around us seem to not have the breakthrough answers we needed, yet we flowed in the prophetic. About 2 years of me setting myself aside to just be with Jesus, and He started teaching me all sorts of things, including healing my own heart from being married to a man with PTSD. My breakthrough led to my husband's breakthroughs. Now we help people through what we've gone through. It takes both the logos and the rhema and actively partnering with Holy Spirit to heal those broken places of your heart. I just recently wrote a book on it, hoping others would pick up on what we learned and be set free too. Frisbee's story goes to show that you don't have to have all your ducks in a row to have God use you powerfully, but if you don't keep pursuing the answers and healing you need, your broken parts will wreck havoc upon certain parts of your life and ministry. It's time for all the little streams to come together as one mighty river of God: the Bible, the Spirit, the blueprints and keys from heaven to set the captives free, bind up the broken hearted, and have dry bones live again! The new wineskin is the completeness God wants to bring to His bride, and a return to the Acts church with the 5 fold ministry maturing and coming together. Anyone with me?
As a specialist in the treatment of sexual abuse for almost 40 years, I was very grieved to learn of Lonnie’s sexual abuse and the battles he had. He needed inner healing and the church does not understand the complexities of deep trauma and what it takes to be healed. Problem is also when people walk in such power of the Holy Spirit people think they can pray away abuse or worship their emotional issues away. Or they think it’s just about needing to forgive the perpetrator whereas forgiveness just opens the door for Holy Spirit
Often some in teh church are ignorant and prideful and discouraging to people with these traumas. "Why not just pray?" I can not blame some for saying this as some have prayed and been healed miraculously. I was abused. I was physically tortured and mentally tortured for many years. Then the devil found another person to abuse me physically and mentally at work as an adult. I went through a lot of healing but it was not till I learned what Jesus meant in Matthew 22 34 to 40 and had a revelation while praying my heart out to God to help me forgive in my heart and love all others including my abusers. I grew up Autistic and with Tourette's syndrome and ADHD. I was an outcast from the beginning. I was 50 years old when God humbled me to the floor and I was healed of all my anxiety attacks, depression, and PTSD. The nigh terrors stopped. It has been 3 years of constant joy unspeakable full of glory. Nothing shakes me. Not even when motorists cut me off in traffic and if you knew me at all you woudl see it as a miracle too lol. I am not the same. We should never use discouraging language to tell people Jesus can help and heal them. It is better coming from someone in the church who understands them as they went through the same thing and were healed.
When your in it for Jesus it doesn't matter if your preaching or parking people. There was probably some amazing times of necessary growth and humility.
This is an amazing look at Lonnie Frisbee's life - it is handled truthfully with such honor, understanding, and forgiveness. Thank you, Robby, for devling into Lonnie's life and legacy - thank you, Stan, for setting the record straight without judgement or bitterness. This was so insightful and valuable.
“If God can use Lonnie, He can use me.” I came to the realization the other day that God (being the all-knowing Person He is) created Lucifer. Lucifer was once strong in his worship in the Lord. God drew him close to Himself. Of course we all know that Lucifer turned his heart towards himself in the end which created a rebellion against God. But God used Lucifer and gave him and all His other beloved worshiping Angels 😇 a special place in the Kingdom. They never repented or turned from their sins (sin=separation from God, no matter what the sin is.) If God can use Lucifer or Judas, He can use anyone. And if you choose to be used by God, how much more are YOU willing to be genuinely intimate with God and act upon His love for you?
So beautiful, my daughters and I had the privilege of meeting Lonnie in 1980, and very blessed to see and feel the presence of the Holy Spirit for the first time, it changed our lives forever!!! I love you Lonnie, thank you for your obedience to the Lord and making sure we understood who we were in Christ, and that “Prayer is powerful”!!! See at home my brother 💜🌻🎶☮️
Re: Lonnie parking cars. So it sounds like when Lonnie came back to California with his marriage in tatters and his life turned upside down he wouldn't seem like the perfect candidate for a leadership role. He sounded like he was in need of repair, or treating his wounds. So why would the pastor be expected to put him in a leadership position. I suspect the host here has his own conflicts with pride and ego. I think parking cars sounds like the perfect volunteer task for this guy at this time in his life. Sounds like his pastor was attending to his wounds in his own way.
@@kg7487 Yes, parking cars. Perhaps you should reflect on what I wrote. Lonnie struggled with many things and one of the most dangerous thing was pride.
@@kg7487 You are letting a loose definition of love do all the heavy lifting here while the central issue involves a profoundly flawed man who seeks to be a church leader while having a complicated relationship with sin that he openly acknowledges is still with him. The pastor shows love for Lonnie by accepting him back into the church organization. And that love comes with an obligation on Lonnie's part to be reconciled with the church and most importantly with God. It seems to me like an act of love for the pastor to give Lonnie a lesser role in the church, because it gives him an opportunity to reflect on his service. "Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves." Philippians 2
@@vcsuwar6126 it's not my definition of love but Christ's. It's easy or maybe convenient to look past the brokenness and abuse that shapes a person's life and ignore that context and believe that a parking attendant act of love will do the healing. If my understanding is correct lonies failings did not stop God from using him which is worth thinking about. I don't think you and I are going to find each other. Go well and may God bless you
Today March 12, 1993, Jesus called you home, I want to say Lonnie, thank you for all you had done for Jesus, the lives you touched in a powerful way, all the people you led to Jesus, being the Innovator of the Jesus movement. You are no longer in pain, but is in the loving arms of Jesus forever. May God keep you always. Thank you Lonnie, Jesus love you
Thank you Robbie for this interview. A HUGE THANK YOU to Stan Frisbee for being a faithful brother to the end! May God bless you with a 7 fold return on all your investment of time, treasure and talents into Lonnie. You are absolutely correct about “God will offend the mind to reveal the heart!” We love the wisdom and word you move in. May the Lord profoundly bless you, your wife and son in Jesus mighty Name!
Amazing interview. I listened to the 1980 Mother’s day service w Lonnie, just wow. Also watched some of his funeral, and I love what someone quoted him saying, “Just chew up the meat, and spit out the bones.” So blessed to learn of this man’s ministry. The amount of vitriol against him is stunning. This man was a wild-fire for Jesus, glory to God! 🔥🙏💙
I was there, John Wimber was my pastor. I used to go to the Wagner house for bible studies. The house had a cool elevator inside we used to use for fun... My friends and I were some of the young people Lonnie ministered to... I'm now 59 live in Idaho and still call myself a child of God... This stuff is bringing up so many memories for me! Love to all...
So thankful the Bible truth was spoken that homosexual activity is sin. That is Not hate speech! It's Love telling the truth to set us free. It might offend your mind but it heals your heart if you receive it. I'm so glad to be free! The truth sets us free. Very grateful for Lonnie's ministry.
This is a very revealing interview that clearly shows the theological errors of Lonnie and the Vineyard Movement. There is no separation between the Triune God and the Bible. If the organic experience does not align with the written Word of God, then the organic experience is not from God.
It was so good to hear my Father, John Sandford, honored for his influence on Lonnie in the prophetic. I wish Lonnie could have had more inner healing--a subject my father and mother also wrote about, but I am blessed that he turned toward God and ended well.
Mark, I remember reading a book your father wrote on inner healing years ago. Didn't your mother participate in the writing of that book, too? I had heard about it from Leanne Payne. She was very involved in bringing healing to people with sexual brokenness.
Mark, your parents certainly left a legacy with there books and ministry... I went to Loren's church when I use to visit friend down there.. my Condolences regarding Loren... It wás painful to hear he passed. Blessing, Joañne
Fast forward to 2023 and the intense effort to normalize homosexual/transgender/pedophile/other sexual behavior and Lonnie’s life may yet have an even powerful impact on the broken hearted. Not the first imperfect person God has used mightily in the history of His people. Our youngest generation confused and often hurt by all the messaging may be the “hippies” of our day. God loves them, Christ died for them, the Holy Spirit longs to love and heal them. What an encouragement for them to know a man used so powerfully by God struggled with this issue while acknowledging it is not God’s plan for His creation. Sexual abuse can be a nearly mortal abuse to a child’s soul and messes with their heads. But God….Thank you to your father for trying to help Lonnie. ✝️
Love the Sanford’s. I went through the inner healing course. And this started it all for me to be open to this type of healing. So true. Bless you, brother.
How Wonderful for you! May Jesus heal all who’ve struggled because of a root of bitterness! All who’ve been sexually abused and wounded to the degree that it has any power in their lives! In Jesus Name amen
Humility in service may be the most Christ-like thing we can do. Even Jesus washed the disciples feet, and served others. Too much focus is put on the person in the pulpit, as if it works without the rest of the body. Being obedient in whatever role we’re called to in each season is what’s important imo. Ms Maureen sounds like a great example ❤
Unfortunately so many immediately assume Lonnie was gay and got AIDS from homosexual contact. He denied he was gay but admitted to experimentation during the San Francisco drug and love scene in the Haight-Ashbury district He went back to using drugs again later probably caused by depression from being shunned, and sharing needles can be a contributor to getting HIV/AIDS. Do not get caught up in making quick judgments.
I knew Dennis Evans. Dennis also said Lonnie was not gay. He said when people came to him asking him to share about Lonnie and their ministering together, because they were in the process of working on a movie about Lonnie. Dennis refused to be interviewed by them. He said, " You don't want the truth!" Dennis personally told me he had a relationship with a South African girl who had aides, and he knew she had aides. Dennis said Lonnie was at a really low place in his life and it was where he emotionally gave up. Dennis and Lonnie went on lots of ministry trips together. So for whatever this is worth, I'm sharing from Dennis. Dennis passed several yrs ago. He died similarly to John Wimber, both ended up with an aneurysm from falls hitting there head on concrete. Dennis was a special friend of mine. Looking forward to seeing him again! Blessings, Joanne
Lonnie Frisbee participated in homosexual sex during his lifetime. Stop making excuses and downplaying his lifelong impenitent sin. You are only justifying more the blasphemy that this film is sadly portraying.
@@inhiscare1 you mean these guys died after they were slain in the spirit and hit their heads I used to tell Lonnie when that was going on people could hit their heads and he said well they didn't
Of Course, Lonnie was Gay. But he felt he had to hide it due to kkk degrading Christian types Church people are some of the most hateful people towards Blacks and gays. Hating on gay people isn't gonna make your life any better. You degrade gays just like the Racists to us Blacks. Smh
Grateful for the new perspective! Thank you both for this interview! Side note, My brother knows his Bible very well, better than most. He understands an preaches to whomever will listen. He is a beautiful retired police officer with a no fear passion for Christ. He parks cars at church for the Lord, there is nothing dishonorable about that. Service is a sign of surrender. ❤
“But as for me, may I never boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.”✝️Galatians 6:14
I find it interesting that whatever people( even pastors) did to Lonnie everyone that has seen the movie has had to know about him! He made an impact played by another person in movie. This is God giving him honor!! I got the impression from the movie that Lonnie was very important. Weather they intended it or not. He’s loved and healed now( inside and out.)
Thank you For doing this interview. What strikes me is how pure hearted Stan is. I can tell his heart is completely free of bitterness. That is an example to me. I have been wronged by a lot of people but I constantly work with Holy Spirit to purify my heart. The pure in heart will see God.
My heart was so grieved to hear so much about church division and desention. 1 Cor. 1:12. I came to Calvary I think after Lonnie left. I had been attending Melodyland before this. As coming from a Baptist church in the Midwest found the activity in a pentecostal church very confusing. I also attended CC Yorba Linda, with John Wimber on many occasions I am so thankful to have been part of CCM and covered with good, sound doctrine but also learned of the gifts of the spirit from the afterglows at Calvary which was peaceful and orderly, not kaotic or brought attention to anyone person. Jimmy Kempner was teaching at the concerts at that time before Greg. What an amazing time to be part of. The spirit spilled out over my High school, Garden Grove and we were having bible studies at lunch. The group of partiers and drinkers got much smaller as we were high on the Holy Spirits peace. So many changed lives! For this to be real, it had to be Spirit and Word led. All Glory goes to Jesus
"God is not restricted to His Word" That immediately gives me pause. Mostly cause I only hear folks say that who are trying to slip something in that is NOT in His word.
This was SO AMAZING!!!! Thank you, Robby for standing for righteousness and truth and calling out what needs to be called out. And Stan, this was incredible. Thank you both for doing this.
I think it's sad that churches reject their own. I was ministering in a Calvary Chapel and God was blessing my ministry. But It was taken away from me by the lead pastor, without any explanation. People were hurt because I left, but they were not told that it was not my choice. It hurt me badly, and I left church ministry because of it. I didn't trust church after that for many years. I went into nursing and ministered in that way and still do. I believe the Lord is my Shepherd, and I have forgiven those who were involved involved. God allowed it for some reason, but it still saddens me. I loved Calvary and have struggled to find a church I felt so at home at.
It’s all to common. It’s such a betrayal. A lot of us have left. Not the Trinity, but the religious systems that controls, dominates and stifles our Holy Spirit.
@@courtneybrubaker9738 praying for God to unite all believers in his spirit into one family. I love the body, but I think like you said, the system has gotten in the way. We need to be filled by the spirit and abide in his word for it to work right. I still try and fellowship. Even in a broken church, I can love and try and bless others.
@@courtneybrubaker9738 I think it's Okay to take some time after a betrayal, but it is also important to try and stay in fellowship with believers. We need each other. Iron sharpens iron.
So maybe Chuck was trying to make sure Lonnie was truly submitted to the Lord, not just his own ministry, and that’s why he wanted him to start at the parking lot. Humility extremely important to Jesus. None of us deserves honor or recognition.
Sometimes you have to submit to authority and learn how to move in your gifts before you are let loose. Lonnie needed to start in the parking lot in order to submit to those in authority.
Jesus said, "Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave- just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.” Matthew 20:26-28
I think there is some truth to what you are saying Lisa. It is also true that without Lonnie, Chuck probably would have never had the church he shepherded. Eventually he chose the WORD over the WORD and the Spirit and that is when the break occurred that initiated the Vineyard movement.
No. In the movie, it showed Chuck doing this after he saw the newspaper showing Lonnie getting attention. He did it to humiliate and put him in his place. With Lonnie’s father wound, that must have hurt. Humility would have been Chuck showing leadership by parking cars as an example. He wanted the stage. It happens all the time I churches. Male egos on display.
I thoroughly enjoyed this interview! It is quite amazing how God‘s spirit seems to have motivated so many to look deeper into the life of Lonnie Frisbee, as a result of seeing the Jesus Revolution movie. The Lord really spoke to me when Stan and Robbie were discussing Lonnie‘s rejection. Christ too was rejected by his people and ultimately crucified. How amazing it is to see how a spirit filled life can look. Praise the Lord !!
Why does the interviewer talk waaay more than the interviewee? Please learn to relax and be an instrument for asking good, clever questions to the guest and then let the guest open up.
I am a tent minister's widow. Saw Lonnie sitting alongside me in my living room a couple of years ago. He said word in heaven was that I am an overcomer so he came to visit me. Lonnie is still encouraging souls on earth today. Lonnie is forgiven and is very much alive and well in heaven with Christ.
I lived around the corner from the church in Yorba Linda and at times visited Calvary Costa Mesa. This revelation of God offending our minds to reveal our hearts is so profound. Yes Jesus, help us to see the true condition of our hearts and to embrace intimacy with Your Spirit and with your Word. The Body of Christ needs you Jesus. Come Lord Jesus.
Thank you for this interview. I loved hearing from Lonnie’s brother and could feel the love there. And as the Sandford’s daughter I loved hearing that connection as well!
I WANT TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH THE BOOK ELIJAH TASK MINT TO ME. THIS WAS THE FIRST BOOK LONNIE HAD ME READ. HEVEY DUTY. I WARE OUT THE FIRST COPY & BOUGHT IT
I love the Lonnie Frisbee story and I believe we will see him in heaven. However, people who are more emotionally driven, like many of not all artists need people like Chuck Smith, and others who don’t run on their emotions to help keep them grounded. On the flip side, we need people who are more emotional and creative, like Lonnie, to bring joy to our life.
Really appreciated this interview! I would have liked to hear much more from Stan Frisbee! Wished he could have talked more. Perhaps he could do a video of his testimony of The Lord ,whatever The Lord Jesus and The Holy Spirit would put on his heart to share. He talked about Brokenness and that part of the interview really touched my heart and I feel that it could touch the hearts of so many who are experiencing brokenness in their lives right now!Really appreciate Stan and his humble sharing from his heart ,would have liked to have heard more 🙏♥️😊
This movie covers an interesting thing. I grew up Catholic and in the Army ended up at a charismatic church service. People were there running around with their hands up and muttering and stuff. But then I got to know some of them and they were "normal". I knew the Holy Spirit was a real thing and worth checking out. There is a God, and He came to Earth and died for us.
Thank you Robby and Stan! I first heard of Lonnie on a trip to South Africa. He had sparked a revival there amongst the young people. Hopeful about these times! 🎉
Thank you. I live in the U K and only recently learned about Lonnie and am sad he was ignored and sidelined for so long. What a wonderful ministry, despite being wounded and damaged. Lonnie's books are wonderful and recommended reading.
The Father RAN to the Prodigal Son. We forgive and love regardless.His Love is all anyone needs, it's what people are looking for but never find in other people.
Interrupting and talking over people is just plain rude. So many preachers and teachers love to hear themselves talk and hate being upstaged by anyone. They need to be "quick to hear and slow to speak" (James 1.19). As the Arab proverb says, "He who listens speaks continuously."
By all means!!! A very aggravating and amateurish interviewer! I suppose that’s all a residue of the “let it all hang out” hippie influence. If this whole movement had followed the teaching of Paul the apostle more closely, then the road would have been straighter. But Lonnie was a prophet/apostle none the less. And Chuck Smith was a much-needed man of wisdom. Bless their memory.
Isaiah saldivar did a video showing his best friend reading an excerpt out of Lonnie's book addressing the molestation and his view of homosexuality...it's an eye opener and really nails homosexuality for what it truly is
Yes. Homosexual behavior is simply a trauma response to self-soothe. And these people build identity around it. 35:30 I came to the same conclusion as Robby, because I myself have struggled with it. There is no such thing as gay.
This is helping me understand something about a lovely church I attended for a few years. Holy Spirit eventually led me to leave because He was not welcome. It broke my heart to leave these people I loved. But God literally showed me that I was a cocooned butterfly and would suffocate if I didn’t break through and fly (I.e. find a Spirit-filled church). We CAN’t fulfill the calling of God to support this current move of His Spirit if we don’t move in the Word AND the Spirit! Excellent discussion!! 🙏🏻
@@anamuntean3276 To glorify God and enjoy Him forever. We need the Word and The Holy Spirit to obey Him out of our love for God for the grace and mercy He has given us. Jesus, Emanuel - What a rescue plan!!!! ✝️❤️🙌
@@theresaconnelly5140 Yep, it is Holy Spirit that is the fire that burns the chaff and the dross on the threshing floor (our hearts) aka lies about Him and us; deep calls to deep. How do we glorify God? He receives glory when our prayers are answered. The bearing of fruit is answered prayer. If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples. John 15:7-8
I am a Traditional Latin Catholic and this Asbury revival is fantastic, we are watching God work. I saw the movie, I thought it was very good and I wanted to know more about Lonnie, Stan filled in those blanks, Thank you
I rarely comment on videos, but I can't get past the concept that being in a humble position like parking lot attendant is an insult. My Church teaches that ushers, custodians, and other workers are just as vital and important as people in the spotlight.
I think if you look at the background of Chuck Smith Senior and his fruit in the books and articles written about him like Father son and Holy rift in the LA times the tangled web of Calvary chapel in The daily beast Calvary chapel slide into the apostasy also James Lloyd's exposures of lies and the rapture cult why and what Smith Senior did with the money and never living James 1:27 wanted women abused and just have a lot of issues hidden molestation in the church etc. FRUIT!
Beautifully done. Thank you Robbie for keeping the interview on the power of God. God can use anybody and he doesn’t choose the weak without giving us the Holy Spirit strength and His power.
I am really glad for this part 2. Hopefully this will help clarify so many unanswered questions about Lonnie, Chuck and how relevant was Greg Laurie in the whole movement?
Why are you asking how "relevant" Greg Laurie was? The movie is based on _Greg's_ life! I've never heard Greg say anything negative about Lonnie, and the movie didn't disrespect Lonnie, as far as I could see. We are free to make a movie about Lonnie if we want, but you don't have to dis Greg in the process. Greg is important to God and to Believers.
I think, Well directed. I did want to say, I’m 67 and i feel Lonnie speak s to all generations to eyes that see ears that hear hands that touch hands that heal to all who receive. I included myself and I’m learning to and open. Thanks, I have loved listening to the incredible history of The Hippie Pastor who responded to God’s guidance to feed the flock. Good message SF@@welcometototalitarianism812
Robby could you get Carol Frisbee on and do a interview with her. I appreciate your show and getting what really happened with Lonnie. His brother was a awesome guy in telling more behind the scenes. Thankyou both for bringing transparency in this tremendous move of God. My heart breaks for young Lonnie, He was truly a testimony of God's intervention in man's affairs with this wonderful bold, brave son LonnieFrisbee.
I'm so excited that I actually ordered the 3 books the other day - can't wait to read them! A friend of mine told me the other day, that when he was a hippy in California and working in a pool shop, Lonnie came into the shop, hopped the counter, and witnessed to him! My friend said he wished he had accepted Christ then, but it was some time afterwards that he did accept Jesus. - Dan in Michigan
@@justin8832 THE JESUS REVOLUTION, SET FREE, AND THE GREAT COMMISSION, by Lonnie Frisbee, and Roger Sachs the 3 books make up the NOT BY MIGHT NOR BY POWER set
I agree!! I felt like something was missing after seeing the Jesus Revolution movie! I loved the movie, but loved the whole story even more. The movie made it sound like Lonnie was prideful. Now we know the truth !! Stan was absolutely right when he said we need both the Word and the Spirit !!
Great interview and synopsis of Lonnie. I so appreciate the honesty and with which you cover his life - he WAS a Saint and I can’t wait to meet him in heaven. Thank you Robby and Stan. Excellent discussion!
I’m enjoying this so much!!! I was a part of all of this! Native Californian, born in the church and I lived through all of this! Yes, to God Be The Glory even though Lonnie didn’t get the credit that he deserved! The FOCUS HAS TO BE ON JESUS! Even though things have certainly been missed! Maybe there could be ANOTHER MOVIE ABOUT LONNIE! I didn’t give Chuck much respect until he welcomed MY PASTOR, David Hocking! My church, discarded MY PASTOR BUT CHUCK SMITH WELCOMED HIM! That changed me and my Whole perspective! It took that to change ME. I couldn’t understand why his congregation would turn against him! But Chuck took him I ! He’s a terrific Bible teacher! I’m no longer in California but I guarantee that I’m sorry Calvert Chapel isn’t here!!!
Great interview, i am thankful that the Holy Spirit since the day of pentacost, despite our flaws and differences, helps us to love one another and use us to awaken sinners.
Learned a LOT watching both Part 1 & 2 of this interview. I've been a Christian almost 30 years and got saved at age 42 and never heard of Lonnie! I plan to watch many of the videos recommended about him. Refreshing to hear about the Spirit being vital with the Word. Most of Christianity today is powerless because they've neglected and rejected and ignored the Spirit of God. I was born again and 'raised up' in a Spirit filled church and miss that so much. Hard to find Bible believing churches nowadays let alone Spirit filled ones. Are Vineyard churches still Spirit filled or have they gone the way of dry bones like so many others?
I think that Chuck Smith used great wisdom in giving Lonnie a humble task after his fall. This can be a great test of true repentance, and when it proves true over a significant period of time, then restoration of ministry can happen -- but not before! Being humbled by lowly tasks is also a great way for someone to be positioned to receive the grace of God for soul restoration because He gives His grace to the humble.
You couldn't be farther from the truth. In fact, if Lonnie was a Chuck Smith Jr or Janet Smith, or Jeff Smith etc. with exact same circumstances, Chuck would not in all eternity have given them parking duty. As he would never humilite his own flesh and blood, but unfortunately Lonnie was broke and had no place to live, after Florida, so he went back a place where he was hoping he could have the basics to live by. I'm not being critical of Chuck, Lonnie did more for Chuck then Chuck for Lonnie. Look how he mishandled the shameful situation with Brian Broderson, talk about a mess. Chuck believed in nepotism, which is normal in human terms, but no member was able to take over CCCM. Brian B was allowed as a potential because he was married to Smith. But obviously Broderson, perhaps goes down in history of CC as the most boring, teacher. But when u build on a another man's foundation, with hundreds of millions in the bank, radio station etc etc, its all there. I don't know Brian, but to his defense of what I hear behind the pulpit, I like his compassion, what he did behind the scenes if true, is very sad, but again, this was Chucks failure, who obviously change his mind about Brian, and didn't want him there. It's obvious he didnt giveit to Mike McIntosh or John Courson simply because they are not a Smith. That's my opinion anyways
Robbie, as a minister who once walked in pride, sometimes there are " car parking" seasons we need to go through for our humbling and to test our hearts to see if we are truly servants. In this " proving time" those over us are looking for humility, teachability, honor of authority and servant hearts- not seeking to be seen but to bless. GOD WILL PROMOTE US, we need to trust our gifts WILL make room for us. NOT SAYING ABUSE IS EVER RIGHT or MISTAKES IN DISCIPLESHIP PROCESS were not made, just saying as leaders we need to be humble and servant hearted, and also need to TRAIN UP new leaders to be Christlike humble and loving servants who seek ONLY God's name be lifted. JUST SAYING...Go easy on Chuck. He may have SAVED millions of lives by bringing correction to movement BEFORE it became about a man. 💜
Right, maybe Lonnie didnt even view it as bad thing if he continued doing it. When ur right with the Lord, a work like that can bring u to worship God even more.
I feel like the Lonnie Frisbee story to come to the light was and is essential for the people of God to know for the fullness of the outpouring that has started will go forward with power and wisdom, knowledge, revelation, understanding and council.
For some reason your interview came up on my feed, I was listening to the first part and quit but listening about Lonnie is with sadness but a blessing for us to learn not what to do to each other in ministry. I thank God for his life.
I've always said, when you spend that alone time with God and enough alone time with God, you can hear His voice clear simply because you recognize it! But that alone time sometimes is forced thru trials and tribulations in the wilderness moments, God has to take us away so we can spend that alone time with Him. Hallelujah 🙌🙌🙌
"Whenever you have warfare your doing the right thing- its a confirmation". Wonderful eye opening interview. Kinda reminds me how they slammed A A Allen's death that he was a drunkard. He wasnt. Lies go up the elevator - truth takes the stairs but will always come out. Love the Bob Dylan story. Well done brothers.
John 13:16 New Living Translation I tell you the truth, slaves are not greater than their master. Nor is the messenger more important than the one who sends the message
So blessed and motivated. ♥️Even in death, Lonnie is still touching hearts and drawing people (ie me) closer to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I feel so overwhelmed right now. Thank you both so much. God bless you. 💓 💖 💗 ❤️ 💕 💛
I’m loving these conversations. I have judged those that fell in sun and were in leadership. I was angry and hurt but I’m seeing even more how God had used each person regardless of their issues. God really is so good.
When you kept to Lonnie I could feel the anointing. As soon as it got into Politics and Trump I had to leave. So sad. Lonnie Frisbee was an anointed humble man. Thank you for speaking his truth.
The first thing I’ll say is I did not know anything about the Jesus Revolution movie. When I saw some thing pop up, I started checking it out because I was a child of the 60s and 70s. We had a small group of Jesus freaks in my high school. And so I started researching everything I could find on Lonnie. I will not watch the movie because of two things. Everything else I had seen and heard about Lonnie, he was basically left out of the movie. Without him there would not have been a Jesus movement. The second thing is I do not believe in using Jesus for financial gain. And I have never had a good feeling about Greg Laurie. He has always seemed very arrogant to me. One thing I noticed in these two interviews, nothing was said about his wife, Connie, in regard to what Lonnie had told her about his failings. Or any of the other things that were going on in their marriage or how Chuck Smith had destroyed their marriage. Connie was very important in the Jesus Movement. She should not be disparaged whatsoever. The abuse she came out of was every bit as bad or worse than what Lonnie had experienced. I could agree with everything you were saying, until you both told me you supported Trump! That man is straight from the devil! He is a ConMan extraordinaire! He is nothing more than a Carnival Harker! He is a thief! He is a liar! He is an adulterer! He has stolen classified documents from our government. He is buddies with Putin and Wi and Kim. Three of our greatest enemies! He wraps himself in the flag, and you fall for it. That is disrespecting the flag right there. I’m telling you you both need to fall on your face and pray for discernment! Not only about Trump, but also about the Vineyard movement. Calvary Chapel got off the road on one side of the ditch in the Vineyard got off the road in the other side of the ditch. There is no balance between the two. You can delete my comment if you want to, but you will hear what I say.
Thank you. This really hit home for me. The whole story about Lonnie, and also your excellent points about the balance of the Word and the Spirit. I attend a Calvary Chapel and I think God just taught me something big through this video.
🇺🇲America, we need to go back to this. The passion, the anointing, the love of God in it's purest form. Through Jesus Christ, we need to repent of our sins and accept Jesus as Lord. I missed this movement being born in 1979, but God still had a plan for me and my life. He saved me in Highschool, I was a 19 year old Senior. But what these people experienced, I experienced the day I accepted him, I felt his arms literally embrace me, I felt the warmth prescence of the Lord. Everything was there, but it became new before my eyes. Now at 43 years old, I still serve, love, and accept as Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I am still on the battlefield knowing this world dont have too much time left. As for Lonnie, he was used by God tremendously, he was a great man of God, he had his struggles, but on his deathbed, it comforts me to know, that he repented of his sins. His spirit is with Jesus now, question is, what about you? What about me? We must get our own lives together before we run and judge someone else.
I was in the charismatic NAR like church for years. Was the vineyard church associated with NAR churches and the toranto blessing? When I came across Chuck Smiths teaching on the radio it really helped me. I found the charismatic church experience was often unbiblical. Falling down and uncontrollable laughter is not found in the scriptures. Many of the pastors I encountered had no biblical training and never taught the scriptures in context. It was often reading 2 min of scriptures and then telling personal stories and extra biblical revelation for 55 mins. You can't grow in the Lord by listening to extra biblical revelation and personal stories. I had some powerful experiences but many of them lead me into deception. I encourage everyone to pray for discernment. You can have discernment with out reading the word in context.
What I take from the beginning of this.. is perhaps learning to submit to authority even if the authority was not favorable towards what God places in us, but to be used by God to refine what is really in the heart.. Like Saul and David
That was the best thing Chuck did was put Lonnie in the parking lot,, if you’re a humble Christian you should not feel disrespected. That was the wisdom of the Lord and a good place for anyone to serve.
Great conversation! I understand Jesus Revolution was from Pastor Greg Laurie's perspective that Calvary Chapel under the leadership of Chuck Smith played a huge role in growing up new believers to be grounded in the word. I understood Lonnie as the Evangelist and Chuck Smith as the teacher. Lonnie brought them in while Chuck Smith gave them the meat of the word to grow them up in the Lord. They came to see the Hippie preacher Lonnie Frisbee but stayed because of the teaching of the word that Chuck Smith was called by God to do. They worked good together because Lonnie's gift of communicating the gospel in their language drew them in but Lonnie did not have the gift of teaching to keep them. If it was just an evangelistic message night after night then they would have a very shallow faith that would not keep them and many would fall away. That is where Chuck Smith came in with solid expositional teaching of the word that they stayed for to grow them up. I also understood it was not a film on the whole Jesus People Movement as that would be very costly to make so it was not about Lonnie and his whole life ministry because the movement was much larger in scope than Lonnie Frisbee and Chuck Smith. But because Jesus Revolution gave Lonnie Frisbee a role that most books and documentaries of the movement kinda put Lonnie as a footnote because of the controversies surrounding him like we don't want to have to talk about that so just put him as a footnote but because Greg Laurie gave Lonnie Frisbee a role made me search out the Life of Lonnie to fill in the blanks. So Jesus Revolution led people like me to learn more about Lonnie Frisbee from those close to him.
Amen and Amen! Very true 👍 There is sooo much more to the story! There was no mention of Jimmy Kempner who taught at the concerts after the church building was available before Greg started teaching. I'm so thankful that Lonnie repented and ended his race well. We are all sinners saved by grace but while in sin of commission should not be in ministry and should step down until the issue is dealt with.
Lonnie seems like a beautiful soul. I can’t seem to think he would be ok with how other people were spoken so negatively of. 😢😔 God Bless Stan. You seem like a pure soul.
This was an absolutely amazing and awesome interview! The combination of both memories of Lonnie frisbee, truly has enriched my understanding of the man and servant of Jesus Christ! Thank you! ❤
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As soon as I heard Lonnie struggled with having a pull towards gay/sexual stuff after God used him powerfully in the Jesus movement, I thought he probably needed both inner healing and deliverance from being sexually violated. My husband had something similar happen as a child, and in our married life he struggled against this inner and involuntary pull to wear women's clothes! Lots of spiritual warfare, churches around us seem to not have the breakthrough answers we needed, yet we flowed in the prophetic. About 2 years of me setting myself aside to just be with Jesus, and He started teaching me all sorts of things, including healing my own heart from being married to a man with PTSD. My breakthrough led to my husband's breakthroughs. Now we help people through what we've gone through. It takes both the logos and the rhema and actively partnering with Holy Spirit to heal those broken places of your heart. I just recently wrote a book on it, hoping others would pick up on what we learned and be set free too. Frisbee's story goes to show that you don't have to have all your ducks in a row to have God use you powerfully, but if you don't keep pursuing the answers and healing you need, your broken parts will wreck havoc upon certain parts of your life and ministry. It's time for all the little streams to come together as one mighty river of God: the Bible, the Spirit, the blueprints and keys from heaven to set the captives free, bind up the broken hearted, and have dry bones live again! The new wineskin is the completeness God wants to bring to His bride, and a return to the Acts church with the 5 fold ministry maturing and coming together. Anyone with me?
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Good analysis!
Amen!!
Yes
Wow! I had a very similar experience.
As a specialist in the treatment of sexual abuse for almost 40 years, I was very grieved to learn of Lonnie’s sexual abuse and the battles he had. He needed inner healing and the church does not understand the complexities of deep trauma and what it takes to be healed. Problem is also when people walk in such power of the Holy Spirit people think they can pray away abuse or worship their emotional issues away. Or they think it’s just about needing to forgive the perpetrator whereas forgiveness just opens the door for Holy Spirit
Often some in teh church are ignorant and prideful and discouraging to people with these traumas. "Why not just pray?" I can not blame some for saying this as some have prayed and been healed miraculously. I was abused. I was physically tortured and mentally tortured for many years. Then the devil found another person to abuse me physically and mentally at work as an adult. I went through a lot of healing but it was not till I learned what Jesus meant in Matthew 22 34 to 40 and had a revelation while praying my heart out to God to help me forgive in my heart and love all others including my abusers. I grew up Autistic and with Tourette's syndrome and ADHD. I was an outcast from the beginning. I was 50 years old when God humbled me to the floor and I was healed of all my anxiety attacks, depression, and PTSD. The nigh terrors stopped. It has been 3 years of constant joy unspeakable full of glory. Nothing shakes me. Not even when motorists cut me off in traffic and if you knew me at all you woudl see it as a miracle too lol. I am not the same.
We should never use discouraging language to tell people Jesus can help and heal them. It is better coming from someone in the church who understands them as they went through the same thing and were healed.
What does this do with the fact that he was gay or had relations with gay men? That was the issue here.
@@markscott4830'This' caused That
When your in it for Jesus it doesn't matter if your preaching or parking people. There was probably some amazing times of necessary growth and humility.
This is an amazing look at Lonnie Frisbee's life - it is handled truthfully with such honor, understanding, and forgiveness. Thank you, Robby, for devling into Lonnie's life and legacy - thank you, Stan, for setting the record straight without judgement or bitterness. This was so insightful and valuable.
“If God can use Lonnie, He can use me.”
I came to the realization the other day that God (being the all-knowing Person He is) created Lucifer. Lucifer was once strong in his worship in the Lord. God drew him close to Himself. Of course we all know that Lucifer turned his heart towards himself in the end which created a rebellion against God. But God used Lucifer and gave him and all His other beloved worshiping Angels 😇 a special place in the Kingdom. They never repented or turned from their sins (sin=separation from God, no matter what the sin is.) If God can use Lucifer or Judas, He can use anyone. And if you choose to be used by God, how much more are YOU willing to be genuinely intimate with God and act upon His love for you?
So beautiful, my daughters and I had the privilege of meeting Lonnie in 1980, and very blessed to see and feel the presence of the Holy Spirit for the first time, it changed our lives forever!!! I love you Lonnie, thank you for your obedience to the Lord and making sure we understood who we were in Christ, and that “Prayer is powerful”!!! See at home my brother 💜🌻🎶☮️
Beautiful ❤️🩹
😭😭😭😭 he’s one of my heroes
How was he obedient if he was living a double life of sin?
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@vanessaloy1049 how was he living a double life of sin?
Thank you Stan for standing up and taking care of your brother in many ways! ❤️
Re: Lonnie parking cars. So it sounds like when Lonnie came back to California with his marriage in tatters and his life turned upside down he wouldn't seem like the perfect candidate for a leadership role. He sounded like he was in need of repair, or treating his wounds. So why would the pastor be expected to put him in a leadership position. I suspect the host here has his own conflicts with pride and ego. I think parking cars sounds like the perfect volunteer task for this guy at this time in his life. Sounds like his pastor was attending to his wounds in his own way.
Heartless comment. So parking cars for healing emotional wounds? Please reflect.
@@kg7487 Yes, parking cars. Perhaps you should reflect on what I wrote. Lonnie struggled with many things and one of the most dangerous thing was pride.
@@vcsuwar6126 is this your understanding of love one another as I love you?
@@kg7487 You are letting a loose definition of love do all the heavy lifting here while the central issue involves a profoundly flawed man who seeks to be a church leader while having a complicated relationship with sin that he openly acknowledges is still with him. The pastor shows love for Lonnie by accepting him back into the church organization. And that love comes with an obligation on Lonnie's part to be reconciled with the church and most importantly with God. It seems to me like an act of love for the pastor to give Lonnie a lesser role in the church, because it gives him an opportunity to reflect on his service.
"Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves." Philippians 2
@@vcsuwar6126 it's not my definition of love but Christ's. It's easy or maybe convenient to look past the brokenness and abuse that shapes a person's life and ignore that context and believe that a parking attendant act of love will do the healing. If my understanding is correct lonies failings did not stop God from using him which is worth thinking about. I don't think you and I are going to find each other. Go well and may God bless you
Today March 12, 1993, Jesus called you home, I want to say Lonnie, thank you for all you had done for Jesus, the lives you touched in a powerful way, all the people you led to Jesus, being the Innovator of the Jesus movement. You are no longer in pain, but is in the loving arms of Jesus forever. May God keep you always. Thank you Lonnie, Jesus love you
Thank you Robbie for this interview. A HUGE THANK YOU to Stan Frisbee for being a faithful brother to the end! May God bless you with a 7 fold return on all your investment of time, treasure and talents into Lonnie.
You are absolutely correct about “God will offend the mind to reveal the heart!” We love the wisdom and word you move in. May the Lord profoundly bless you, your wife and son in Jesus mighty Name!
Amazing interview. I listened to the 1980 Mother’s day service w Lonnie, just wow. Also watched some of his funeral, and I love what someone quoted him saying, “Just chew up the meat, and spit out the bones.” So blessed to learn of this man’s ministry. The amount of vitriol against him is stunning. This man was a wild-fire for Jesus, glory to God! 🔥🙏💙
It’s beyond grievous.
After listening to Lonnie’s teachings you’d have to be careful not to choke on the abundance of bones.
I was there, John Wimber was my pastor. I used to go to the Wagner house for bible studies. The house had a cool elevator inside we used to use for fun... My friends and I were some of the young people Lonnie ministered to... I'm now 59 live in Idaho and still call myself a child of God... This stuff is bringing up so many memories for me! Love to all...
Thank you for setting the story straight. Being gay and being molested are 2 completely different things
I am both
So thankful the Bible truth was spoken that homosexual activity is sin. That is Not hate speech! It's Love telling the truth to set us free. It might offend your mind but it heals your heart if you receive it. I'm so glad to be free! The truth sets us free. Very grateful for Lonnie's ministry.
Yes! Sin is simply a self destructive action.
@@rokasdobrovolskis Jesus-destructive, too.
So thankful for Lonnie and his brother Stan for being willing to share his brother’s true story. ❤
This is a very revealing interview that clearly shows the theological errors of Lonnie and the Vineyard Movement. There is no separation between the Triune God and the Bible. If the organic experience does not align with the written Word of God, then the organic experience is not from God.
It was so good to hear my Father, John Sandford, honored for his influence on Lonnie in the prophetic. I wish Lonnie could have had more inner healing--a subject my father and mother also wrote about, but I am blessed that he turned toward God and ended well.
Mark, I remember reading a book your father wrote on inner healing years ago. Didn't your mother participate in the writing of that book, too? I had heard about it from Leanne Payne. She was very involved in bringing healing to people with sexual brokenness.
Mark, your parents certainly left a legacy with there books and ministry...
I went to Loren's church when I use to visit friend down there.. my Condolences regarding Loren... It wás painful to hear he passed.
Blessing,
Joañne
Fast forward to 2023 and the intense effort to normalize homosexual/transgender/pedophile/other sexual behavior and Lonnie’s life may yet have an even powerful impact on the broken hearted. Not the first imperfect person God has used mightily in the history of His people. Our youngest generation confused and often hurt by all the messaging may be the “hippies” of our day. God loves them, Christ died for them, the Holy Spirit longs to love and heal them. What an encouragement for them to know a man used so powerfully by God struggled with this issue while acknowledging it is not God’s plan for His creation. Sexual abuse can be a nearly mortal abuse to a child’s soul and messes with their heads. But God….Thank you to your father for trying to help Lonnie. ✝️
Love the Sanford’s. I went through the inner healing course. And this started it all for me to be open to this type of healing. So true. Bless you, brother.
How Wonderful for you! May Jesus heal all who’ve struggled because of a root of bitterness! All who’ve been sexually abused and wounded to the degree that it has any power in their lives! In Jesus Name amen
Humility in service may be the most Christ-like thing we can do. Even Jesus washed the disciples feet, and served others. Too much focus is put on the person in the pulpit, as if it works without the rest of the body. Being obedient in whatever role we’re called to in each season is what’s important imo.
Ms Maureen sounds like a great example ❤
Unfortunately so many immediately assume Lonnie was gay and got AIDS from homosexual contact. He denied he was gay but admitted to experimentation during the San Francisco drug and love scene in the Haight-Ashbury district He went back to using drugs again later probably caused by depression from being shunned, and sharing needles can be a contributor to getting HIV/AIDS. Do not get caught up in making quick judgments.
I knew Dennis Evans. Dennis also said Lonnie was not gay. He said when people came to him asking him to share about Lonnie and their ministering together, because they were in the process of working on a movie about Lonnie. Dennis refused to be interviewed by them. He said, " You don't want the truth!"
Dennis personally told me he had a relationship with a South African girl who had aides, and he knew she had aides. Dennis said Lonnie was at a really low place in his life and it was where he emotionally gave up.
Dennis and Lonnie went on lots of ministry trips together.
So for whatever this is worth, I'm sharing from Dennis. Dennis passed several yrs ago. He died similarly to John Wimber, both ended up with an aneurysm from falls hitting there head on concrete.
Dennis was a special friend of mine.
Looking forward to seeing him again!
Blessings, Joanne
Lonnie Frisbee participated in homosexual sex during his lifetime. Stop making excuses and downplaying his lifelong impenitent sin. You are only justifying more the blasphemy that this film is sadly portraying.
@@inhiscare1 whaaaat
@@inhiscare1 you mean these guys died after they were slain in the spirit and hit their heads I used to tell Lonnie when that was going on people could hit their heads and he said well they didn't
Of Course, Lonnie was Gay.
But he felt he had to hide it due to kkk degrading Christian types
Church people are some of the most hateful people towards Blacks and gays.
Hating on gay people isn't gonna make your life any better. You degrade gays just like the Racists to us Blacks. Smh
Grateful for the new perspective! Thank you both for this interview! Side note, My brother knows his Bible very well, better than most. He understands an preaches to whomever will listen. He is a beautiful retired police officer with a no fear passion for Christ. He parks cars at church for the Lord, there is nothing dishonorable about that. Service is a sign of surrender. ❤
Than Chuck should have been side by side with Lonnie directing cars. Some xian leaders are the biggest hypocrites.
Amen
Yes it's a ministry like any other!
Yes indeed! But they were just showing how the real founder of a movement can easily be replaced. Replaced by the people you helped.
What Lonnie needed was healing and restoration. I can see Gods Grace and Mercy on him. So glad to have learned more about Lonnie.
I pray we, the church, can learn from this. It’s amazing what Papa did and is still doing with (all) these imperfect people !!!
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“But as for me, may I never boast, except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.”✝️Galatians 6:14
I find it interesting that whatever people( even pastors) did to Lonnie everyone that has seen the movie has had to know about him! He made an impact played by another person in movie. This is God giving him honor!! I got the impression from the movie that Lonnie was very important. Weather they intended it or not. He’s loved and healed now( inside and out.)
Thank you For doing this interview. What strikes me is how pure hearted Stan is. I can tell his heart is completely free of bitterness. That is an example to me. I have been wronged by a lot of people but I constantly work with Holy Spirit to purify my heart. The pure in heart will see God.
My heart was so grieved to hear so much about church division and desention. 1 Cor. 1:12. I came to Calvary I think after Lonnie left. I had been attending Melodyland before this. As coming from a Baptist church in the Midwest found the activity in a pentecostal church very confusing. I also attended CC Yorba Linda, with John Wimber on many occasions I am so thankful to have been part of CCM and covered with good, sound doctrine but also learned of the gifts of the spirit from the afterglows at Calvary which was peaceful and orderly, not kaotic or brought attention to anyone person. Jimmy Kempner was teaching at the concerts at that time before Greg. What an amazing time to be part of. The spirit spilled out over my High school, Garden Grove and we were having bible studies at lunch. The group of partiers and drinkers got much smaller as we were high on the Holy Spirits peace. So many changed lives! For this to be real, it had to be Spirit and Word led. All Glory goes to Jesus
"God is not restricted to His Word" That immediately gives me pause. Mostly cause I only hear folks say that who are trying to slip something in that is NOT in His word.
This was SO AMAZING!!!! Thank you, Robby for standing for righteousness and truth and calling out what needs to be called out. And Stan, this was incredible. Thank you both for doing this.
I think it's sad that churches reject their own. I was ministering in a Calvary Chapel and God was blessing my ministry. But It was taken away from me by the lead pastor, without any explanation. People were hurt because I left, but they were not told that it was not my choice. It hurt me badly, and I left church ministry because of it. I didn't trust church after that for many years. I went into nursing and ministered in that way and still do.
I believe the Lord is my Shepherd, and I have forgiven those who were involved involved. God allowed it for some reason, but it still saddens me.
I loved Calvary and have struggled to find a church I felt so at home at.
I am so sorry this was done to you❣️
@@jinnemarshall4754 it's okay. I think God wanted me to be a nurse. Maybe someday I can do both. 😊❤️🙏🕊️
It’s all to common. It’s such a betrayal. A lot of us have left. Not the Trinity, but the religious systems that controls, dominates and stifles our Holy Spirit.
@@courtneybrubaker9738 praying for God to unite all believers in his spirit into one family. I love the body, but I think like you said, the system has gotten in the way. We need to be filled by the spirit and abide in his word for it to work right. I still try and fellowship. Even in a broken church, I can love and try and bless others.
@@courtneybrubaker9738 I think it's
Okay to take some time after a betrayal, but it is also important to try and stay in fellowship with believers. We need each other. Iron sharpens iron.
Underneath the bitterness was hurt from betrayal. Perfectly understandable.
So maybe Chuck was trying to make sure Lonnie was truly submitted to the Lord, not just his own ministry, and that’s why he wanted him to start at the parking lot. Humility extremely important to Jesus. None of us deserves honor or recognition.
Sometimes you have to submit to authority and learn how to move in your gifts before you are let loose. Lonnie needed to start in the parking lot in order to submit to those in authority.
It sure sounds like Chuck thought Lonnie needed to humble himself.
Jesus said, "Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave- just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.” Matthew 20:26-28
I think there is some truth to what you are saying Lisa. It is also true that without Lonnie, Chuck probably would have never had the church he shepherded. Eventually he chose the WORD over the WORD and the Spirit and that is when the break occurred that initiated the Vineyard movement.
No. In the movie, it showed Chuck doing this after he saw the newspaper showing Lonnie getting attention. He did it to humiliate and put him in his place. With Lonnie’s father wound, that must have hurt. Humility would have been Chuck showing leadership by parking cars as an example. He wanted the stage. It happens all the time I churches. Male egos on display.
Brilliant hosting, brilliant interview, superb subject matters. Thanks to your guests & to you Robbie for putting these shows together. Amen ✝️
I thoroughly enjoyed this interview! It is quite amazing how God‘s spirit seems to have motivated so many to look deeper into the life of Lonnie Frisbee, as a result of seeing the Jesus Revolution movie. The Lord really spoke to me when Stan and Robbie were discussing Lonnie‘s rejection. Christ too was rejected by his people and ultimately crucified. How amazing it is to see how a spirit filled life can look.
Praise the Lord !!
What a blessing to hear about Lonnie's life, and the truth of his work. May he be honored even more, and God continue to get glory for his life.
You thought Lonnie’s life was a blessing to hear about? I thought it was a tragedy.
Why does the interviewer talk waaay more than the interviewee?
Please learn to relax and be an instrument for asking good, clever questions to the guest and then let the guest open up.
I am a tent minister's widow. Saw Lonnie sitting alongside me in my living room a couple of years ago. He said word in heaven was that I am an overcomer so he came to visit me. Lonnie is still encouraging souls on earth today. Lonnie is forgiven and is very much alive and well in heaven with Christ.
I lived around the corner from the church in Yorba Linda and at times visited Calvary Costa Mesa. This revelation of God offending our minds to reveal our hearts is so profound. Yes Jesus, help us to see the true condition of our hearts and to embrace intimacy with Your Spirit and with your Word. The Body of Christ needs you Jesus. Come Lord Jesus.
No matter what, Lonnie and Chuck are in Heaven now, together, enjoying the greatness and the fullness of their rewards.
Thank you for this interview. I loved hearing from Lonnie’s brother and could feel the love there. And as the Sandford’s daughter I loved hearing that connection as well!
I WANT TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH THE BOOK ELIJAH TASK MINT TO ME. THIS WAS THE FIRST BOOK LONNIE HAD ME READ. HEVEY DUTY. I WARE OUT THE FIRST COPY & BOUGHT IT
AGIN TO COMEPAIR MY YELLOW UNDER LINING.I TELL PEOPLE TO BUY AND READ THE BOOK.
THIS IS STAN FRISBEE WRITING UNDER MY WIFES NAME.
I love the Lonnie Frisbee story and I believe we will see him in heaven. However, people who are more emotionally driven, like many of not all artists need people like Chuck Smith, and others who don’t run on their emotions to help keep them grounded. On the flip side, we need people who are more emotional and creative, like Lonnie, to bring joy to our life.
Really appreciated this interview! I would have liked to hear much more from Stan Frisbee! Wished he could have talked more. Perhaps he could do a video of his testimony of The Lord ,whatever The Lord Jesus and The Holy Spirit would put on his heart to share. He talked about Brokenness and that part of the interview really touched my heart and I feel that it could touch the hearts of so many who are experiencing brokenness in their lives right now!Really appreciate Stan and his humble sharing from his heart ,would have liked to have heard more 🙏♥️😊
This movie covers an interesting thing. I grew up Catholic and in the Army ended up at a charismatic church service. People were there running around with their hands up and muttering and stuff. But then I got to know some of them and they were "normal". I knew the Holy Spirit was a real thing and worth checking out. There is a God, and He came to Earth and died for us.
I can’t thank you enough for sharing all of this!! It was powerful!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thank you Robby and Stan! I first heard of Lonnie on a trip to South Africa. He had sparked a revival there amongst the young people.
Hopeful about these times!
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Thank you. I live in the U K and only recently learned about Lonnie and am sad he was ignored and sidelined for so long. What a wonderful ministry, despite being wounded and damaged. Lonnie's books are wonderful and recommended reading.
The Father RAN to the Prodigal Son. We forgive and love regardless.His Love is all anyone needs, it's what people are looking for but never find in other people.
Thank you for this, but Robby, please focus on your guest and let him talk. That is the art of the interviewer as opposed to the preacher.
Thank you! I was going to post the same thing! Lol Robby talks over him and won't let him speak! Both parts 1 & 2. 🙄
Interrupting and talking over people is just plain rude. So many preachers and teachers love to hear themselves talk and hate being upstaged by anyone. They need to be "quick to hear and slow to speak" (James 1.19). As the Arab proverb says, "He who listens speaks continuously."
By all means!!! A very aggravating and amateurish interviewer! I suppose that’s all a residue of the “let it all hang out” hippie influence. If this whole movement had followed the teaching of Paul the apostle more closely, then the road would have been straighter. But Lonnie was a prophet/apostle none the less. And Chuck Smith was a much-needed man of wisdom. Bless their memory.
Amen
if you have a guest who doesn’t feel comfortable just talking for a lengthy time, he needs someone to help him out.
Isaiah saldivar did a video showing his best friend reading an excerpt out of Lonnie's book addressing the molestation and his view of homosexuality...it's an eye opener and really nails homosexuality for what it truly is
Yes. Homosexual behavior is simply a trauma response to self-soothe. And these people build identity around it. 35:30 I came to the same conclusion as Robby, because I myself have struggled with it. There is no such thing as gay.
Robbie please let the guest talk more. You kept cutting him off.
This is helping me understand something about a lovely church I attended for a few years. Holy Spirit eventually led me to leave because He was not welcome. It broke my heart to leave these people I loved. But God literally showed me that I was a cocooned butterfly and would suffocate if I didn’t break through and fly (I.e. find a Spirit-filled church). We CAN’t fulfill the calling of God to support this current move of His Spirit if we don’t move in the Word AND the Spirit! Excellent discussion!! 🙏🏻
My experience as well.
What is the calling of God we need to fulfill?
Yep, obedience!
@@anamuntean3276 To glorify God and enjoy Him forever. We need the Word and The Holy Spirit to obey Him out of our love for God for the grace and mercy He has given us. Jesus, Emanuel - What a rescue plan!!!! ✝️❤️🙌
@@theresaconnelly5140 Yep, it is Holy Spirit that is the fire that burns the chaff and the dross on the threshing floor (our hearts) aka lies about Him and us; deep calls to deep. How do we glorify God? He receives glory when our prayers are answered. The bearing of fruit is answered prayer.
If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
John 15:7-8
I am a Traditional Latin Catholic and this Asbury revival is fantastic, we are watching God work. I saw the movie, I thought it was very good and I wanted to know more about Lonnie, Stan filled in those blanks, Thank you
Lonnie, carried so much more than was credited to him. At least they could have ran a scroll or paragraphs at the end to give a tribute to Lonnie...
Uh ohh, I heard the FBI is keeping tabs on your Latin Mass types......😅
Asbury was planned it has been for their last 8 revivals over the past 100 years. Not surprised your disernment is horrible being a catholic.
Thank you so much for this interview. It was so healing and loving! Thank you for sharing and for loving Lonnie and loving Jesus!
I rarely comment on videos, but I can't get past the concept that being in a humble position like parking lot attendant is an insult. My Church teaches that ushers, custodians, and other workers are just as vital and important as people in the spotlight.
I think if you look at the background of Chuck Smith Senior and his fruit in the books and articles written about him like Father son and Holy rift in the LA times the tangled web of Calvary chapel in The daily beast Calvary chapel slide into the apostasy also James Lloyd's exposures of lies and the rapture cult why and what Smith Senior did with the money and never living James 1:27 wanted women abused and just have a lot of issues hidden molestation in the church etc. FRUIT!
Thank you for sharing these truths. So grateful that God uses us - broken, hurting people - to bring Him glory! ❤️
THIS IS SO SPECIAL AND PRICELESS THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR DOING THIS!
Use me Lord! Great interview!
I experienced Jesus at a Vineyard Church in Alabama and at the Brownsville Revival!! More Lord!!
Beautifully done. Thank you Robbie for keeping the interview on the power of God. God can use anybody and he doesn’t choose the weak without giving us the Holy Spirit strength and His power.
I am really glad for this part 2. Hopefully this will help clarify so many unanswered questions about Lonnie, Chuck and how relevant was Greg Laurie in the whole movement?
Why are you asking how "relevant" Greg Laurie was? The movie is based on _Greg's_ life! I've never heard Greg say anything negative about Lonnie, and the movie didn't disrespect Lonnie, as far as I could see. We are free to make a movie about Lonnie if we want, but you don't have to dis Greg in the process. Greg is important to God and to Believers.
I think, Well directed.
I did want to say, I’m 67 and i feel Lonnie speak s to all generations to eyes that see ears that hear hands that touch hands that heal to all who receive. I included myself and I’m learning to and open. Thanks, I have loved listening to the incredible history of The Hippie Pastor who responded to God’s guidance to feed the flock. Good message SF@@welcometototalitarianism812
Great video(s); Thank You Radicals. Encouraging ministries.🎣
Robby could you get Carol Frisbee on and do a interview with her. I appreciate your show and getting what really happened with Lonnie. His brother was a awesome guy in telling more behind the scenes. Thankyou both for bringing transparency in this tremendous move of God. My heart breaks for young Lonnie, He was truly a testimony of God's intervention in man's affairs with this wonderful bold, brave son LonnieFrisbee.
Whose Carol?
I'm so excited that I actually ordered the 3 books the other day - can't wait to read them! A friend of mine told me the other day, that when he was a hippy in California and working in a pool shop, Lonnie came into the shop, hopped the counter, and witnessed to him! My friend said he wished he had accepted Christ then, but it was some time afterwards that he did accept Jesus. - Dan in Michigan
Could you tell me the names of the books?
@@justin8832 THE JESUS REVOLUTION, SET FREE, AND THE GREAT COMMISSION, by Lonnie Frisbee, and Roger Sachs the 3 books make up the NOT BY MIGHT NOR BY POWER set
@@danielross5447 thank you so much.
I’m so thankful to watch these interviews that really put some things into perspective.
I agree!! I felt like something was missing after seeing the Jesus Revolution movie! I loved the movie, but loved the whole story even more.
The movie made it sound like Lonnie was prideful. Now we know
the truth !! Stan was absolutely right when he said we need both the Word and the Spirit !!
Great interview and synopsis of Lonnie. I so appreciate the honesty and with which you cover his life - he WAS a Saint and I can’t wait to meet him in heaven. Thank you Robby and Stan. Excellent discussion!
Thank you Robby and Stan, So appreciative of this interview, Ive became a christian about 3 years ago, this information is valuable!
I’m enjoying this so much!!! I was a part of all of this! Native Californian, born in the church and I lived through all of this! Yes, to God Be The Glory even though Lonnie didn’t get the credit that he deserved! The FOCUS HAS TO BE ON JESUS! Even though things have certainly been missed! Maybe there could be ANOTHER MOVIE ABOUT LONNIE! I didn’t give Chuck much respect until he welcomed MY PASTOR, David Hocking! My church, discarded MY PASTOR BUT CHUCK SMITH WELCOMED HIM! That changed me and my Whole perspective! It took that to change ME. I couldn’t understand why his congregation would turn against him! But Chuck took him I ! He’s a terrific Bible teacher! I’m no longer in California but I guarantee that I’m sorry Calvert Chapel isn’t here!!!
David Hocking should have lived in Proverbs 6:16 through 19
This is so good! I’m grateful for you going deeper into this, explaining things & showing Abba Father’s love!
Great interview, i am thankful that the Holy Spirit since the day of pentacost, despite our flaws and differences, helps us to love one another and use us to awaken sinners.
Learned a LOT watching both Part 1 & 2 of this interview. I've been a Christian almost 30 years and got saved at age 42 and never heard of Lonnie! I plan to watch many of the videos recommended about him. Refreshing to hear about the Spirit being vital with the Word. Most of Christianity today is powerless because they've neglected and rejected and ignored the Spirit of God. I was born again and 'raised up' in a Spirit filled church and miss that so much. Hard to find Bible believing churches nowadays let alone Spirit filled ones. Are Vineyard churches still Spirit filled or have they gone the way of dry bones like so many others?
I thought the spirit always points to Jesus (the word) not himself No one comes to the Father but through the son
I think that Chuck Smith used great wisdom in giving Lonnie a humble task after his fall. This can be a great test of true repentance, and when it proves true over a significant period of time, then restoration of ministry can happen -- but not before! Being humbled by lowly tasks is also a great way for someone to be positioned to receive the grace of God for soul restoration because He gives His grace to the humble.
Even Jesus humbled Himself by washing His deciples feet.
You couldn't be farther from the truth. In fact, if Lonnie was a Chuck Smith Jr or Janet Smith, or Jeff Smith etc. with exact same circumstances, Chuck would not in all eternity have given them parking duty. As he would never humilite his own flesh and blood, but unfortunately Lonnie was broke and had no place to live, after Florida, so he went back a place where he was hoping he could have the basics to live by. I'm not being critical of Chuck, Lonnie did more for Chuck then Chuck for Lonnie. Look how he mishandled the shameful situation with Brian Broderson, talk about a mess. Chuck believed in nepotism, which is normal in human terms, but no member was able to take over CCCM. Brian B was allowed as a potential because he was married to Smith. But obviously Broderson, perhaps goes down in history of CC as the most boring, teacher. But when u build on a another man's foundation, with hundreds of millions in the bank, radio station etc etc, its all there. I don't know Brian, but to his defense of what I hear behind the pulpit, I like his compassion, what he did behind the scenes if true, is very sad, but again, this was Chucks failure, who obviously change his mind about Brian, and didn't want him there. It's obvious he didnt giveit to Mike McIntosh or John Courson simply because they are not a Smith. That's my opinion anyways
Repentance happens from within the heart, not by DOING but BEING!
Thank you Robby and Stan, this was a revelatory and great interview. God bless you both.
Robbie, as a minister who once walked in pride, sometimes there are " car parking" seasons we need to go through for our humbling and to test our hearts to see if we are truly servants. In this " proving time" those over us are looking for humility, teachability, honor of authority and servant hearts- not seeking to be seen but to bless. GOD WILL PROMOTE US, we need to trust our gifts WILL make room for us. NOT SAYING ABUSE IS EVER RIGHT or MISTAKES IN DISCIPLESHIP PROCESS were not made, just saying as leaders we need to be humble and servant hearted, and also need to TRAIN UP new leaders to be Christlike humble and loving servants who seek ONLY God's name be lifted. JUST SAYING...Go easy on Chuck. He may have SAVED millions of lives by bringing correction to movement BEFORE it became about a man. 💜
Amen. Well said!
Absolutely. Humility can be a great way to disentangle a history of distrust.
Amen, totally to humble him and know his heart to release him again. Very responsible of Chuck. It's never supposed to be about the man.
I clean toilets
Right, maybe Lonnie didnt even view it as bad thing if he continued doing it. When ur right with the Lord, a work like that can bring u to worship God even more.
So this truly has made sense of everything that is going on in my life and in the world.
Precious time for me, so thank you.
This is so important!!! thank you so much for putting this together Robby and Stan! SO IMPORTANT!
I feel like the Lonnie Frisbee story to come to the light was and is essential for the people of God to know for the fullness of the outpouring that has started will go forward with power and wisdom, knowledge, revelation, understanding and council.
I saw the movie and this answers my questions. Thank you for recording this perfect timing!
Same with me.
For some reason your interview came up on my feed, I was listening to the first part and quit but listening about Lonnie is with sadness but a blessing for us to learn not what to do to each other in ministry. I thank God for his life.
I've always said, when you spend that alone time with God and enough alone time with God, you can hear His voice clear simply because you recognize it! But that alone time sometimes is forced thru trials and tribulations in the wilderness moments, God has to take us away so we can spend that alone time with Him. Hallelujah 🙌🙌🙌
Amazing interview! I just ordered the three book set. Thanks so much for bringing clarity to the questions being asked about Lonnie's life & ministry.
"Whenever you have warfare your doing the right thing- its a confirmation". Wonderful eye opening interview. Kinda reminds me how they slammed A A Allen's death that he was a drunkard. He wasnt. Lies go up the elevator - truth takes the stairs but will always come out. Love the Bob Dylan story. Well done brothers.
You are absolutely correct! AA Allen was NOT a drunkard and AA Allen’s death was Not what was told!!
I'm blessed to be under the leadership of AA Allen's granddaughters at the church I belong to💝🔥💝
@@monicacarson1698 Where are you located? I would love to come visit
@@michellepadgett2869 Glad Tidings Church/Embassy of Heaven in Yuba City, CA
So what did he die from?
John 13:16
New Living Translation
I tell you the truth, slaves are not greater than their master. Nor is the messenger more important than the one who sends the message
Yes. Too much emphasis on Lonnie. Not Jesus working during this time!
Thank you so much❤ Also for posting the books. I bought one. Really want to read all three.
So blessed and motivated. ♥️Even in death, Lonnie is still touching hearts and drawing people (ie me) closer to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I feel so overwhelmed right now. Thank you both so much. God bless you. 💓 💖 💗 ❤️ 💕 💛
Just ordered all 3 books, I was interested but knew I needed to when Stan prayed at the end and I felt Holy Spirit move, much love to all….
I’m loving these conversations. I have judged those that fell in sun and were in leadership. I was angry and hurt but I’m seeing even more how God had used each person regardless of their issues. God really is so good.
When you kept to Lonnie I could feel the anointing. As soon as it got into Politics and Trump I had to leave. So sad. Lonnie Frisbee was an anointed humble man. Thank you for speaking his truth.
The first thing I’ll say is I did not know anything about the Jesus Revolution movie. When I saw some thing pop up, I started checking it out because I was a child of the 60s and 70s. We had a small group of Jesus freaks in my high school. And so I started researching everything I could find on Lonnie. I will not watch the movie because of two things. Everything else I had seen and heard about Lonnie, he was basically left out of the movie. Without him there would not have been a Jesus movement. The second thing is I do not believe in using Jesus for financial gain. And I have never had a good feeling about Greg Laurie. He has always seemed very arrogant to me. One thing I noticed in these two interviews, nothing was said about his wife, Connie, in regard to what Lonnie had told her about his failings. Or any of the other things that were going on in their marriage or how Chuck Smith had destroyed their marriage. Connie was very important in the Jesus Movement. She should not be disparaged whatsoever. The abuse she came out of was every bit as bad or worse than what Lonnie had experienced.
I could agree with everything you were saying, until you both told me you supported Trump! That man is straight from the devil! He is a ConMan extraordinaire! He is nothing more than a Carnival Harker! He is a thief! He is a liar! He is an adulterer! He has stolen classified documents from our government. He is buddies with Putin and Wi and Kim. Three of our greatest enemies! He wraps himself in the flag, and you fall for it. That is disrespecting the flag right there. I’m telling you you both need to fall on your face and pray for discernment! Not only about Trump, but also about the Vineyard movement. Calvary Chapel got off the road on one side of the ditch in the Vineyard got off the road in the other side of the ditch. There is no balance between the two.
You can delete my comment if you want to, but you will hear what I say.
Thank you. This really hit home for me. The whole story about Lonnie, and also your excellent points about the balance of the Word and the Spirit. I attend a Calvary Chapel and I think God just taught me something big through this video.
🇺🇲America, we need to go back to this. The passion, the anointing, the love of God in it's purest form. Through Jesus Christ, we need to repent of our sins and accept Jesus as Lord. I missed this movement being born in 1979, but God still had a plan for me and my life. He saved me in Highschool, I was a 19 year old Senior. But what these people experienced, I experienced the day I accepted him, I felt his arms literally embrace me, I felt the warmth prescence of the Lord. Everything was there, but it became new before my eyes.
Now at 43 years old, I still serve, love, and accept as Jesus as my Lord and Savior. I am still on the battlefield knowing this world dont have too much time left. As for Lonnie, he was used by God tremendously, he was a great man of God, he had his struggles, but on his deathbed, it comforts me to know, that he repented of his sins. His spirit is with Jesus now, question is, what about you? What about me? We must get our own lives together before we run and judge someone else.
I was in the charismatic NAR like church for years. Was the vineyard church associated with NAR churches and the toranto blessing?
When I came across Chuck Smiths teaching on the radio it really helped me. I found the charismatic church experience was often unbiblical. Falling down and uncontrollable laughter is not found in the scriptures.
Many of the pastors I encountered had no biblical training and never taught the scriptures in context. It was often reading 2 min of scriptures and then telling personal stories and extra biblical revelation for 55 mins. You can't grow in the Lord by listening to extra biblical revelation and personal stories.
I had some powerful experiences but many of them lead me into deception.
I encourage everyone to pray for discernment. You can have discernment with out reading the word in context.
What I take from the beginning of this.. is perhaps learning to submit to authority even if the authority was not favorable towards what God places in us, but to be used by God to refine what is really in the heart..
Like Saul and David
That was the best thing Chuck did was put Lonnie in the parking lot,, if you’re a humble Christian you should not feel disrespected. That was the wisdom of the Lord and a good place for anyone to serve.
Great conversation - very insightful. Thank you!
This is an amazing interview! Thank you both
I deeply admire Stan. He speaks clearly and with conviction and power.
Thanks Robby, this interview was much better. God Bless
I am so glad and relieved you said it. Lonnie Frisbee is a Saint. 💗✝️💗
Robby, make a Fundraising page for everyone to chip in to pay his brother back for the funeral, we want a way to sew into Lonnies legacy
Great conversation! I understand Jesus Revolution was from Pastor Greg Laurie's perspective that Calvary Chapel under the leadership of Chuck Smith played a huge role in growing up new believers to be grounded in the word. I understood Lonnie as the Evangelist and Chuck Smith as the teacher. Lonnie brought them in while Chuck Smith gave them the meat of the word to grow them up in the Lord. They came to see the Hippie preacher Lonnie Frisbee but stayed because of the teaching of the word that Chuck Smith was called by God to do. They worked good together because Lonnie's gift of communicating the gospel in their language drew them in but Lonnie did not have the gift of teaching to keep them. If it was just an evangelistic message night after night then they would have a very shallow faith that would not keep them and many would fall away. That is where Chuck Smith came in with solid expositional teaching of the word that they stayed for to grow them up.
I also understood it was not a film on the whole Jesus People Movement as that would be very costly to make so it was not about Lonnie and his whole life ministry because the movement was much larger in scope than Lonnie Frisbee and Chuck Smith. But because Jesus Revolution gave Lonnie Frisbee a role that most books and documentaries of the movement kinda put Lonnie as a footnote because of the controversies surrounding him like we don't want to have to talk about that so just put him as a footnote but because Greg Laurie gave Lonnie Frisbee a role made me search out the Life of Lonnie to fill in the blanks. So Jesus Revolution led people like me to learn more about Lonnie Frisbee from those close to him.
Amen and Amen! Very true 👍 There is sooo much more to the story! There was no mention of Jimmy Kempner who taught at the concerts after the church building was available before Greg started teaching. I'm so thankful that Lonnie repented and ended his race well. We are all sinners saved by grace but while in sin of commission should not be in ministry and should step down until the issue is dealt with.
I love how you broke down the areas of discussion by time in the description. Thanks for that.
Lonnie seems like a beautiful soul. I can’t seem to think he would be ok with how other people were spoken so negatively of. 😢😔 God Bless Stan. You seem like a pure soul.
This was an absolutely amazing and awesome interview! The combination of both memories of Lonnie frisbee, truly has enriched my understanding of the man and servant of Jesus Christ! Thank you! ❤