One difference being in the PAC12 Bi-laws didn't stipulate what kind of notification was needed for the departing schools. In the MWC apparently the bi-laws state a written notice with a $5k check is needed, the PAC12's said any notice. After the schools in the PAC12 published releases of departing schools they tried in court to say they didn't give any written notice. The PAC12 Bi-laws didn't require any written notice.
It’s clear that you are on the MWC side and I can tell you are more excited about anything MEC vs PAC-12. I get it, but when the dust settles, IMO will be a weaker conference but competitive conference. The PAC-12 with more bigger brands, the PAC-12 is more likely to be on the CFP. It will be interesting to see where membership for both conferences end up.
You suggest that poaching penalties are just part of the cost of the scheduling agreement. The PAC paid 14 million for the scheduling agreement. 1.4 million per game. ( high average paid to visiting non conference). But 55 mil poaching plus 14 is 69 million. That is almost $5 million per game. How is that not clearly an unreasonable and unjustified amount of money per game if the poaching fee was just part of the cost.
I still think the poaching fees will be reduced. The PAC2 got $5 million from each departing school, while the MWC wants $11 million a school. So the MWC thinks BSU, SDSU etc are worth more than twice as much as USC, UCLA, UO, UW etc. The poaching fees were crazy but the the PAC was under duress to sign so they did.
Agreed. All that money she promised is now being contested. If she can't deliver the conference is toast as UNLV and Air Force will be gone and the other schools won't have much incentive to continue under the MWC brand either since they would lose money as well.
Thankfully the term past precedent does apply in this situation in regards to departing members. The PAC12 did establish a groundwork (through legal means) that allowed departing schools and current members a level of operating status (that of day to day conference operations, payouts for current years, etc...). I get both sides of the story here. From the current members standpoint where your dealing with future media and membership, and departing members could do harm onto the current membership. HOWEVER, if you had a case where the current members were trying to withhold revenues from departing members while they are still apart of the conference or matters of day to day operations, etc... then yes the departing members need to be in discussions.
So 5 departing schools not considered members now, but, will compete in full conference schedules and bring in post season ncaa revenue, but, aren't members? Huh? Okay.
Good job, so far in covering what the law suit states. What would be good to know what exactly the bi-laws state as to requirements of notification of departure. In the PAC12 by-laws did not say what type of notification was needed (written or verbal). Also did they change any of the bi-laws that will affect the departing schools after the 12th of September. The court will surely look at these issues as well as the issue of when meeting membership ends and any minutes from meeting the affect the departing members. As far as what is legal for departing fees for either the schools departing are or the PAC12 penalties, I am certain that the court will refer to the Colorado State's statutes that apply to non-profit institutions. We do know Gloria has a history of changing things around without much notice. For example, the scheduling agreement with the PAC. For 2024 it was agreed to be 14 million to the MWC, and when she went into the meeting this past August(September?) she upped the price for a ridiculous amount of 30 million dollars for 2025. This was her move to force the pAC12/MWC to merge. She knew the PAC12 would never agree to that sum for one year. So, IMHO, I have little faith the Gloria would treat the departing school fairly.
@@TheBigMountainPodcast It will be an interesting trial then. I think the other member are going to wait & see how it plays out before deciding how to react.
Unless some one breaches the contract. Did Gloria do that? It will be decided in court one way or the other. If the lawsuit gets dismissed then no issue, but if it goes forward it will be interesting if it gets to a point when the MWC gets forced into releasing any/all documents(discovery).
The MWC tends to fancy itself as some awesome powerful P4 despite the fact that has become athletically weak. The best of the MWC is in the PAC. I hope CSU and USU win their suit.
They clearly are double dipping. Either you are saying you are no longer members of our conference you are with the Pac 12 now in which case you can't take their money or you have to say no you are still members of our conference which means you have to give them back their voting rights. By the way the word is MOOT not MUTE.
This video has a good perspective on what this lawsuit could do. One thing I did not think of was how the media contracts would be affected . th-cam.com/video/qQNuZfONZL8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5POgLVy2c6jGZ54M
@@jeh58 listen from 9:35 to 9:50. To even suggest there's a possibility of rescinding invitations to Utah State and Colorado State makes him unwatchable immediately.
I will be very interested to see how the Mountain West responds to this. There's definitely a few options here.
Thank you JY. These are weird times we live in. Significant power, but not significant enough to want to stay, what a shame.
Thanks for covering this and keeping us informed.
Didn’t Oregon State and Washington State just win a similar lawsuit a year or two ago brought against them from their departing members?
Nope
One difference being in the PAC12 Bi-laws didn't stipulate what kind of notification was needed for the departing schools. In the MWC apparently the bi-laws state a written notice with a $5k check is needed, the PAC12's said any notice. After the schools in the PAC12 published releases of departing schools they tried in court to say they didn't give any written notice. The PAC12 Bi-laws didn't require any written notice.
I'd like to know what precedent was set in the past when BYU, TCU, and Utah left the conference.
Ross Dellenger is reporting Boise State has joined the lawsuit with USU & CSU.
Thank you for this valuable information.
Great heads up!
It’s clear that you are on the MWC side and I can tell you are more excited about anything MEC vs PAC-12. I get it, but when the dust settles, IMO will be a weaker conference but competitive conference. The PAC-12 with more bigger brands, the PAC-12 is more likely to be on the CFP. It will be interesting to see where membership for both conferences end up.
You suggest that poaching penalties are just part of the cost of the scheduling agreement. The PAC paid 14 million for the scheduling agreement. 1.4 million per game. ( high average paid to visiting non conference). But 55 mil poaching plus 14 is 69 million. That is almost $5 million per game. How is that not clearly an unreasonable and unjustified amount of money per game if the poaching fee was just part of the cost.
I still think the poaching fees will be reduced. The PAC2 got $5 million from each departing school, while the MWC wants $11 million a school. So the MWC thinks BSU, SDSU etc are worth more than twice as much as USC, UCLA, UO, UW etc. The poaching fees were crazy but the the PAC was under duress to sign so they did.
Gloria is big trouble 😂
Agreed. All that money she promised is now being contested. If she can't deliver the conference is toast as UNLV and Air Force will be gone and the other schools won't have much incentive to continue under the MWC brand either since they would lose money as well.
That's it, no Christmas card for Steve
My opinion is if the schools leaving are bringing money into the current conference then they have the right to all meetings…
Mountain West should settle. These lawsuits are crazy and they really look bad.
They're starting to realize that they have to pay players now, and now they won't be able to.
Love how you handle those nasty USU fans on X 😂
Thankfully the term past precedent does apply in this situation in regards to departing members. The PAC12 did establish a groundwork (through legal means) that allowed departing schools and current members a level of operating status (that of day to day conference operations, payouts for current years, etc...). I get both sides of the story here. From the current members standpoint where your dealing with future media and membership, and departing members could do harm onto the current membership. HOWEVER, if you had a case where the current members were trying to withhold revenues from departing members while they are still apart of the conference or matters of day to day operations, etc... then yes the departing members need to be in discussions.
This is a different scenario. The MWC has different and clear rules regarding leaving the conference.
So 5 departing schools not considered members now, but, will compete in full conference schedules and bring in post season ncaa revenue, but, aren't members? Huh? Okay.
Who else is coming besides NIU?
Good job, so far in covering what the law suit states. What would be good to know what exactly the bi-laws state as to requirements of notification of departure. In the PAC12 by-laws did not say what type of notification was needed (written or verbal). Also did they change any of the bi-laws that will affect the departing schools after the 12th of September. The court will surely look at these issues as well as the issue of when meeting membership ends and any minutes from meeting the affect the departing members. As far as what is legal for departing fees for either the schools departing are or the PAC12 penalties, I am certain that the court will refer to the Colorado State's statutes that apply to non-profit institutions.
We do know Gloria has a history of changing things around without much notice. For example, the scheduling agreement with the PAC. For 2024 it was agreed to be 14 million to the MWC, and when she went into the meeting this past August(September?) she upped the price for a ridiculous amount of 30 million dollars for 2025. This was her move to force the pAC12/MWC to merge. She knew the PAC12 would never agree to that sum for one year.
So, IMHO, I have little faith the Gloria would treat the departing school fairly.
Bylaws say written with a $5,000 payment.
@@TheBigMountainPodcast Has anyone paid the 5K w/ a written statement? If not then the departing member may have a case.
No.
And yes, it could be an issue regarding membership but then conflict of interest is at play.
@@TheBigMountainPodcast It will be an interesting trial then. I think the other member are going to wait & see how it plays out before deciding how to react.
MW will win this. Don't sign a contract if you don't like the terms. Wasn't an issue until the schools have to pay the fees.... ❄🤡🤡🏈
Unless some one breaches the contract. Did Gloria do that? It will be decided in court one way or the other. If the lawsuit gets dismissed then no issue, but if it goes forward it will be interesting if it gets to a point when the MWC gets forced into releasing any/all documents(discovery).
@@jeh58... or you pay a corrupt judge to take the case which is easy these days, they're all for sale.
The MWC tends to fancy itself as some awesome powerful P4 despite the fact that has become athletically weak. The best of the MWC is in the PAC. I hope CSU and USU win their suit.
They clearly are double dipping. Either you are saying you are no longer members of our conference you are with the Pac 12 now in which case you can't take their money or you have to say no you are still members of our conference which means you have to give them back their voting rights. By the way the word is MOOT not MUTE.
This video has a good perspective on what this lawsuit could do. One thing I did not think of was how the media contracts would be affected . th-cam.com/video/qQNuZfONZL8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5POgLVy2c6jGZ54M
I disagree it's a very bad video overall, he needs to stick to truck driving.
@@fiacorvetta How so? Please explain.
@@jeh58 listen from 9:35 to 9:50. To even suggest there's a possibility of rescinding invitations to Utah State and Colorado State makes him unwatchable immediately.
@@fiacorvetta Didn't sound like the what he was saying at those times you gave.
@@jeh58 you clicked on the video in the comment section right? Not the big mountain video.
👉🏽 “moot”. 👍🏽