I guess _Brawl_ is the _Smash_ game with the highest number of absurdly horrible moves, correct? Bizarre, considering that it's also got Meta Knight in it, a character *that somehow manages to completely out-DLC even the actual DLC in **_Smash 4_** and **_Ultimate_** in sheer terms of brokenness and overtuned-ness, despite not actually being paid DLC or even unlockable.*
I can’t say for sure. But even with how many really bad moves there are, the game also has its fair share of super good moves as well, and not just on the top tiers.
My theory is that in the middle of developing brawl, sakurai started off with a lot of blueprints from melee including sdi modifiers and trajectory, then had a brain aneurysm and wanted to casualize the game, so he slowed a lot of moves down while not realizing that the low gravity and slow pace ment that it was easier to sdi a lot of moves, and slip out a lot of moves that initially were meant to combo. Tldr, he attempted to change the game to be more casual in the middle of development, so he had a lot of moves with either no purpose or broke the game.
Well, it is a rarely used move on a character not a lot of people play. People tend to talk about his not bad moves or his moves which are close to being good but are not quite there. The main notoriety Sonic’s Up Smash gets is just for his DACUS and that’s it.
Funny to think about how if Sakurai used Sonic Updraft (sonic upper attack from sonic battle) then not only could they just take Fox's up smash as a base and cut a few corners, but the move would probably be a million times bettervas a result.
It has been a while but I’m back. I’m sorry this video took so long. I originally planned to get this out much sooner but I got sidetracked by many other things. It’s here now though and I hope it was worth the wait. I tried improving my audio setup so hopefully, the game audio isn’t too loud like it has been in the past. As always, if you have any further questions or if there are things you would like to point out then do feel free to share. And if you enjoyed the video, do feel free to like, share and subscribe. I do listen to requests (this video in itself was a request) so if there are any moves you'd like to see me cover in the future then do feel free to let me know.
The only thing I've been wondering now ever since I saw this is... what could possibly be a worse up smash than this? I'm baffled at the thought of anything being worse than something so inconsistent and unsafe as Sonic's up smash
Samus’ up smash is also really, really bad so that’s up there. Ness’ is also really bad but maybe not as bad as Sonic’s and Samus’. I will admit though that I rushed the ending of this video. I definitely would have extended the conclusion if a hypothetically remade the video.
This question I'm about to ask is something rather insignificant for Sonic in Brawl, but the possibility sounds funny as hell to me. 5:36 or so when you talk about how knockback works in Brawl, causing that Frankenstein Diagonally Downward Angle to happen against Mario from Up Smash? What happens if this exact same interaction occurs when near the ledge? Or bare minimum, enough to where Mario (or whoever) would actually be sent off stage? Would the gams consider it a Meteor, and therefore make it Meteor Cancellable? Yes, if you were to shorten this question, I'm basically asking if it's possible for an Up Smash to becomd a Spike (not that it'd be a good one anyway if it was).
Whenever you make these videos on moves in Brawl, I'm just further baffled by their design. Engine issues aside, why are there so many slow moves that have next to no reward for hitting them in a game where Meta Knight exists? Even in a casual environment, why would you ever want to use them, aside from not knowing any better?
Even Meta Knight isn’t immune to this, as he has jab. Not every character has high risk low reward moves like this but it’s more common than it should be. As much as I like this game, I can’t lie and say that there aren’t some baffling things in the game, because there definitely are.
what would be funny is if brawl sonic up smash was the best kill move in the game with all the other flaws, it would be funny if sonic had to fish for that awful move to get kills in this game
I mean, if the move had astronomical KO power, it would be way better and it would likely move Sonic up the tier list. Sonic does not have an easy time KOing in Brawl so if you gave him something that was ludicrously strong and not completely unreasonable to land (which up smash is not despite its flaws), it would be pretty helpful.
@@bigbangbot-SuperSqank true, it’s just with a move this inconsistent it would be funny to watch sonic have to fish for it, but yeah I know sonic struggles with killing a lot, most characters honestly do, even good ones. Average kill % is like 180 in brawl iirc due to momentum cancels and how strong di is, though characters like ics or diddy can kill at pretty much 0, same for pikachu if he catches your missed techs often enough with his signature jab lock infinite
Brawl was definitely the most “experimental” game, from what I could tell. Nintendo was definitely toying around with new ideas in this game, but that caused heavy imbalance in the game. Between busted top tiers (well, one busted top tier) and the complete opposite for many moves in the game, there’s just so much distance between the most effective things in Brawl and the least effective things in Brawl.
I play super smash brawl for 12 years and I never see thes brolrs How zelda is a brolr and sheik is a single brolr and Pokémon trener is a brolr and sqwatl charl and Iv is a single brolr if it is a mod tell me how to get it plz 🙏
If you mean the character select screen, it was built into the netplay settings we used to have (although the newest netplay build reverted to the default character select screen). I don’t know the exact code for the custom character select.
Even if you time it right, you're only getting anywhere from 3-9% and the opponent will most likely live. Sure, it may not be the absolute worst but you are definitely limited in how you can use it and it is not highly rewarding overall.
In hindsight, it is definitely one of the better moves I have covered. It can work in the right scenarios and it is useable in common enough situations. It is not one of those moves which is completely useless outside of extremely niche situations or a move which is completely obsolete. It’s just a bit too weak and a bit too unreliable but it is useable as long as you know when to use it, especially if the opponent isn’t prepared to avoid it. Not every move I cover has to be a 1/10. It can be a 2/10 or a 3/10 and Sonic’s up smash is one of those moves.
this is by leaps and bounds the worst smash game competitively speaking lol. my assumption is they put all their effort into the casual experience, which payed off, because they still havent topped subspace emmisarry
@@noodletribunal9793 Smash 4 had less nonfunctional moves, but it also removed many special tools that low and mid tiers had, like DACUS or other niche tech. This ultimately meant that the tier list was pretty cut and dry, low tiers didn’t really have the same tools, or really anything, to stand against top tiers except for characters just outplaying. It’s balanced because most of the cast is bad and doesn’t have much special about them. It doesn’t hurt that it somehow felt slower than Brawl despite the faster engine. I attribute this to the fact that aerials are laggier and have less generous autocancel windows. Few characters have manageable autocancel windows and they’re all at the top of the tier list.
@@shadestrider1033 theres no way 4 was slower than brawl in anyway lol. other than that, idk, i didnt play 4 too much, i guess i cant speak much on this
@@noodletribunal9793 In Brawl you could often autocancel aerials and not even realize it. In Smash 4, playing a mid or low tier meant you generally were taking all the landing lag.
I guess _Brawl_ is the _Smash_ game with the highest number of absurdly horrible moves, correct? Bizarre, considering that it's also got Meta Knight in it, a character *that somehow manages to completely out-DLC even the actual DLC in **_Smash 4_** and **_Ultimate_** in sheer terms of brokenness and overtuned-ness, despite not actually being paid DLC or even unlockable.*
I can’t say for sure. But even with how many really bad moves there are, the game also has its fair share of super good moves as well, and not just on the top tiers.
Meta Knight has one of the worst jab in the game, though
@@bigbangbot-SuperSqank Almost as if brawl was not developed by people with fighting game experience... Oh wait, that's actually what happened.
In all fairness, experienced fighting game developers are absolutely not immune to this either.
My theory is that in the middle of developing brawl, sakurai started off with a lot of blueprints from melee including sdi modifiers and trajectory, then had a brain aneurysm and wanted to casualize the game, so he slowed a lot of moves down while not realizing that the low gravity and slow pace ment that it was easier to sdi a lot of moves, and slip out a lot of moves that initially were meant to combo.
Tldr, he attempted to change the game to be more casual in the middle of development, so he had a lot of moves with either no purpose or broke the game.
Shocked to know that not a lot of people talk about Sonic’s up smash
Well, it is a rarely used move on a character not a lot of people play. People tend to talk about his not bad moves or his moves which are close to being good but are not quite there. The main notoriety Sonic’s Up Smash gets is just for his DACUS and that’s it.
Funny to think about how if Sakurai used Sonic Updraft (sonic upper attack from sonic battle) then not only could they just take Fox's up smash as a base and cut a few corners, but the move would probably be a million times bettervas a result.
It has been a while but I’m back. I’m sorry this video took so long. I originally planned to get this out much sooner but I got sidetracked by many other things. It’s here now though and I hope it was worth the wait. I tried improving my audio setup so hopefully, the game audio isn’t too loud like it has been in the past.
As always, if you have any further questions or if there are things you would like to point out then do feel free to share. And if you enjoyed the video, do feel free to like, share and subscribe. I do listen to requests (this video in itself was a request) so if there are any moves you'd like to see me cover in the future then do feel free to let me know.
ur sound effects are funny. i binged every smash vid on ur channel
ty for the support.
Now talk about how bad samus's up smash in brawl is i just wanna see what up smash is worse
The only thing I've been wondering now ever since I saw this is... what could possibly be a worse up smash than this? I'm baffled at the thought of anything being worse than something so inconsistent and unsafe as Sonic's up smash
Samus’ up smash is also really, really bad so that’s up there. Ness’ is also really bad but maybe not as bad as Sonic’s and Samus’. I will admit though that I rushed the ending of this video. I definitely would have extended the conclusion if a hypothetically remade the video.
good vid 👍
This question I'm about to ask is something rather insignificant for Sonic in Brawl, but the possibility sounds funny as hell to me.
5:36 or so when you talk about how knockback works in Brawl, causing that Frankenstein Diagonally Downward Angle to happen against Mario from Up Smash? What happens if this exact same interaction occurs when near the ledge? Or bare minimum, enough to where Mario (or whoever) would actually be sent off stage? Would the gams consider it a Meteor, and therefore make it Meteor Cancellable?
Yes, if you were to shorten this question, I'm basically asking if it's possible for an Up Smash to becomd a Spike (not that it'd be a good one anyway if it was).
Good question. I’m honestly not sure. It might be a true spike but I don’t know for sure.
Whenever you make these videos on moves in Brawl, I'm just further baffled by their design. Engine issues aside, why are there so many slow moves that have next to no reward for hitting them in a game where Meta Knight exists? Even in a casual environment, why would you ever want to use them, aside from not knowing any better?
Even Meta Knight isn’t immune to this, as he has jab. Not every character has high risk low reward moves like this but it’s more common than it should be. As much as I like this game, I can’t lie and say that there aren’t some baffling things in the game, because there definitely are.
The connecting problem can be fixed by making the first hit have no knockback growth, as I already did for My Brawl Fan Patch.
There are indeed many ways one can fix the first hit but the move will forever be borked in the base game.
@@bigbangbot-SuperSqank Yeah.
Bro makes videos like it's 2000's youtube
what would be funny is if brawl sonic up smash was the best kill move in the game with all the other flaws, it would be funny if sonic had to fish for that awful move to get kills in this game
I mean, if the move had astronomical KO power, it would be way better and it would likely move Sonic up the tier list. Sonic does not have an easy time KOing in Brawl so if you gave him something that was ludicrously strong and not completely unreasonable to land (which up smash is not despite its flaws), it would be pretty helpful.
@@bigbangbot-SuperSqank true, it’s just with a move this inconsistent it would be funny to watch sonic have to fish for it, but yeah I know sonic struggles with killing a lot, most characters honestly do, even good ones. Average kill % is like 180 in brawl iirc due to momentum cancels and how strong di is, though characters like ics or diddy can kill at pretty much 0, same for pikachu if he catches your missed techs often enough with his signature jab lock infinite
Brawl was definitely the most “experimental” game, from what I could tell. Nintendo was definitely toying around with new ideas in this game, but that caused heavy imbalance in the game. Between busted top tiers (well, one busted top tier) and the complete opposite for many moves in the game, there’s just so much distance between the most effective things in Brawl and the least effective things in Brawl.
All the top tiers are busted. It’s just that the higher up the tier list you go, the more busted they become.
I play super smash brawl for 12 years and I never see thes brolrs
How zelda is a brolr and sheik is a single brolr and Pokémon trener
is a brolr and sqwatl charl and Iv is a single brolr if it is a mod tell me how to get it plz 🙏
If you mean the character select screen, it was built into the netplay settings we used to have (although the newest netplay build reverted to the default character select screen). I don’t know the exact code for the custom character select.
@@bigbangbot-SuperSqank I mean how do you have more brolrs than me is it from pc or wii
It's a gecko code (much like an action replay code). A code which works on Wii should exist but I don't have it.
@@bigbangbot-SuperSqank okay I andrstned
Thanks for the good video and for the new Information
"Worst of each move in Brawl" video coming soon?
That is definitely an interesting idea but it would be rather ambitious. I don’t see myself making something like that anytime soon but maybe one day.
When’s the next trash move video coming out
My goal is to get another one out by the end of the month.
It's not that bad, you just have to time it right.
Even if you time it right, you're only getting anywhere from 3-9% and the opponent will most likely live. Sure, it may not be the absolute worst but you are definitely limited in how you can use it and it is not highly rewarding overall.
@@bigbangbot-SuperSqank yeah it's really situational, but it's not god awful by any means.
In hindsight, it is definitely one of the better moves I have covered. It can work in the right scenarios and it is useable in common enough situations. It is not one of those moves which is completely useless outside of extremely niche situations or a move which is completely obsolete. It’s just a bit too weak and a bit too unreliable but it is useable as long as you know when to use it, especially if the opponent isn’t prepared to avoid it. Not every move I cover has to be a 1/10. It can be a 2/10 or a 3/10 and Sonic’s up smash is one of those moves.
this is by leaps and bounds the worst smash game competitively speaking lol. my assumption is they put all their effort into the casual experience, which payed off, because they still havent topped subspace emmisarry
Smash 4
@@shadestrider1033 smash 4 didnt have like 3 useless moves for every character tho
@@noodletribunal9793 Smash 4 had less nonfunctional moves, but it also removed many special tools that low and mid tiers had, like DACUS or other niche tech. This ultimately meant that the tier list was pretty cut and dry, low tiers didn’t really have the same tools, or really anything, to stand against top tiers except for characters just outplaying.
It’s balanced because most of the cast is bad and doesn’t have much special about them.
It doesn’t hurt that it somehow felt slower than Brawl despite the faster engine. I attribute this to the fact that aerials are laggier and have less generous autocancel windows. Few characters have manageable autocancel windows and they’re all at the top of the tier list.
@@shadestrider1033 theres no way 4 was slower than brawl in anyway lol. other than that, idk, i didnt play 4 too much, i guess i cant speak much on this
@@noodletribunal9793 In Brawl you could often autocancel aerials and not even realize it.
In Smash 4, playing a mid or low tier meant you generally were taking all the landing lag.