Korea declares WAR against DRUGS 🚫💊💉| Korean Pizza Club | EP.9
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Is it true that Ramyun n Chill season 2 got funding? Will you start filming even if you had some differences with Danny?
I have to diagree with the "We went through a lot of mental stress in our age and we did not do drugs" argument. The people addicted to alcohol because of stress are the proof for disproving that. In the panelists teen years drugs were not accessible thus no drug addiction. But now since the drugs are easily accessible like u guys said it makes sense the mentally stressed kids find an escape with drugs. Its like old people saying in my days we did not have mental issues like the young people today. Times change and with that the circumstances too.
Personal account: I did weed with my friends in college and did not like it very much. But my friends found it amazing and thought of trying mushrooms too as both were natural drugs. Now out of our 5 friends 1 is a meth addict. It is a gateway drug for people with addictive personalities and people who want to escape because sooner or later the people start to adapt to the weed high and there will be no other way than upgrading to a harder drug for the same feeling.
At 20:20 you say people suggest there should be more help for addicts in Korea but just look at the US, (where I live): there are tons of places to get help for addiction but drug use continues unabated and helping addicts hasn't made the drug problem any better. Insurance companies and the government will even pay for rehab in many circumstances. But the fact is that many people who work with addicts will tell you that the rate of relapse is huge (i.e. even after good treatment, the majority of people relapse and start taking drugs again, and it just becomes a cycle). However, in countries with very strict (even some would say draconian) drug laws, drugs are much less of a problem. Korea needs to decide as a society if they want to accept drugs in their country and become like the US or other Western countries with a high number of addicts and a thriving drug market, or if they want to stay mostly drug free.
Future topic suggestions:
- alcoholism in Korea and lack of acknowledgment that alcoholism is an issue
- religions in Korea including shamanism
- workplace culture, expectations, toxicity, initiations (i.e. My Liberation Notes)
- Military requirement/experience
- Mental Health in Korea (stigmatism, resources or lack of them)
- Drama/movie acting experiences on set (why do ppl work overnight and never seem to sleep? no unions? why are writers, ost composers, cinematographers, etc not as recognized as actors? less appreciation for the other areas unlike in states...e.g. set designer was interviewed for Squid Game)
- Korean award shows are meaningless (e.g. Baeksang Art Awards voted by only 6 ppl?)
Great topics so far! Great to hear in depth conversations! Like listening to topics that aren't typical surface level topics. I can go elsewhere for that.
''- religions in Korea including shamanism'' the only wrong topic, south korea is conservative because the majority of population and politians are christians, this make a huge role in Korea society. And because of this comes the hipocrisy, people do eveything behind the scenes.
@@marcos-ll2yr aren't alot also buddhist
@@marcos-ll2yr They probably won't do this topic because they will be scared that the religious folks coming after them. Religious nutjobs are top tier in korea.
Ooh or youth crime offenders that are doing problematic things because they know they will never be held accountable because of their age. Like a store I heard about some that stole cars and caused the death of someone in a hit and run but had no consequences because they were too young to be charged. Reminds me of Juvenile Justice
Definitely need to discuss the acceptance of alcoholism in Korea. I have never seen people that drink so much and are loud & proud about it too.
I have to diagree with the "We went through a lot of mental stress in our age and we did not do drugs" argument. The people addicted to alcohol because of stress are the proof for disproving that. In the panelists teen years drugs were not accessible thus no drug addiction. But now since the drugs are easily accessible like u guys said it makes sense the mentally stressed kids find an escape with drugs. Its like old people saying in my days we did not have mental issues like the young people today. Times change and with that the circumstances too.
Personal account: I did weed with my friends in college and did not like it very much. But my friends found it amazing and thought of trying mushrooms too as both were natural drugs. Now out of our 5 friends 1 is a meth addict. It is a gateway drug for people with addictive personalities and people who want to escape because sooner or later the people start to adapt to the weed high and there will be no other way than upgrading to a harder drug for the same feeling.
i dont smoke often but i am somewhat of a weed-defender. i really dont like how so many people still say weed is the 'starter drug' and eventually you'll want more, heavier drugs. of course that can happen and it does to some, but if we take that as a con-argument for weed, then why the hell is alcohol legal at all? alcohol, in comparison, does much more harm and since its available literally everywhere, the amount of people that are secret alcoholics is insane.
if something is illegal, people will be interested in doing it. i got curious about some drugs and wanted to try them, so i did in a safe environment with people that i trusted, thus i never had a bad experience or felt like abusing a drug. it actually made me appreciate them in a way, like a holiday. i love christmas because its special and *doesnt* happen all the time :D i like mdma in the same way.
i really wish instead of trying to banish all drugs (except for the beloved alcohol of course) they would just focus more on educating the public about them, safe use, protect those who are more prone to get addicted etc.
"the dose makes the poison"
it would probably also be helpful if mental illness in general would be taken more seriously and people wouldnt be so scared to talk about their problems; instead of drinking or smoking them away, they might be able to actually healthily deal with them in a therapy, without being judged for it.
(kinda started rambling, sorry lol)
@ajlee2168 as I said with my experience it shows how it can be a gateway drug. But in today's society we take weed as too lightly. Yes alcohol and smoking addiction is bad and that's why people are always reminded how bad it is. There are campaigns that always say the garms those stuff do. But especially in the states I have seen no such warnings when it comes to weed. I know the example I gave is not common and everyone does not have the addictive personality. What I am complaining about is the lack of warnings and informations about the "Gateway drug " nature of weed in case someone with suc addictive tendency comes in contact with weed. At the end I think each person is responsible for their own body but also believe each person should get enough warnings before they do something unnatural to their body be it taking alcohol, weed, even plastic surgery it doesn't matter. If people do those acts even after getting proper warnings then it's their problem. SIMPLE.
@@rajeevlama4737r maybe your friend was eventually going to try meth, regardless of whether he tried weed in the past or not
@sunshine333135 then maybe all the alcohol addicts were also going to be addicts anyway regardless there is a culture for it or not. Nonsense.
People need reminders that alcohol and cigarettes are drugs too and highly addictive ones. Smoking is literally the worst thing you can do for your health. Just because it's so normalized you start not to think about that anymore / not enough. Your perspective becomes skewed. I feel really strongly about that.
Agreeeeee ❤
Absolutely
Drugs addiction is also prevalent in the USA . War against drugs? Just like in the U S. South Korea needs to declare war against poverty , overwhelming socioeconomic problems, boredom ,and loneliness. Mental health also should be taken seriously. Do not just say " say no to drugs" it is childish and it does not work. P.S. the education system, especially in S. Korea is impossible demanding and tough, stress does it all.
The drugs are spreading more tho and their population isn't that large also in the US don't alot of you die at concerning rates because of drugs?
Also fighting the war on loniless is kinda funny considering relationships outside of family aren't a right but a privilege🤷🏾♀️
@@battarabbit8827 loneliness is due at least here in the USA because of individualism . Each sticks to his own. If u do not have a strong supportive family or family of your own ,people are suffering in silence within four walls. The only way to know whether one is no longer exists is the smell of putrefaction that comes out from the next apartment. Why is that people did not feel loneliness during WWII war? Because they were united together , dropping their differences for one ultimate goal, rid of the war and evil who caused it. Now, we live under peace , yet everyone is separated . Nobody cares about anybody else, hence comes the loneliness, which leads to depression, which rollercoasters to escapism- drugs and alcohol.
@@likhwezititus America has been fighting a war on drugs for almost 60 years. Nothing has changed, it doesn’t work. So we can give advice to countries trying to take the same route. Korea will end up with their jails overcrowded with non-violent, low level (mostly weed) drug user. While the murderers, rapists and thieves get out on bail or get early release due to jail overcrowding.
You have to remedy the cause or reason why people are turning to drugs. Drug use is just a symptom of a greater problem.
@@kimleemoon ^This!!!!
@@likhwezititus💯💯💯💯
Declaring war is NOT going to deal with WHY someone is choosing to use drugs. You have to deal with the addiction. It's basically a mental health issue, which Korea doesn't want to admit there is a problem. Not saying American is much better, but there is a lot of help for those who want to get off drugs in America. Don't forget, alcohol is a drug. Just look at America's "war on drugs" didn't work. People will ALWAYS find a way to use drugs, you MUST have rehab/mental health. It won't ever stop.
America’s war on drugs didn’t work because it has a long ass border with cartel ridden Mexico and too much land. Singapore has proven you can stop them. I can’t stand young Korean’s obsession with becoming more like America.
A war on drugs is the only sane solution.
The West is dying because of drugs and crime.
Humans are born with an addictive nature maybe from when they get weaned by their mothers. The sky is the limit, from everything we try & come into contact with no matter how harmless it seems to our brains
There is something I want to point out because it's happened a few times in the first half of the podcast. David seems to debunk possibe reasons for increase drug use because it didn’t apply to him. For exanple being a stressed student with a lot of competition or being exposed to meth through breaking bad. It was kind of bothering me that he was using himself as an argument against because I think whilst there are environmental factors at play, its also down to the individual. So just because David didn't get into drugs when exposed to certain factors doesn't mean other people aren't. Who's to say that the level of competition as a student isn’t more intense now than when he was a student? Its just something I wanted to comment on because there was this bias of 'if it didnt apply to me then it must not be true'.
I agree with you - but after taking a minute to think about it... how can you blame the guy?
He's not the only one "doing it." All the panelists are doing it.
**EDIT** - 37:00 - okay. Well, good. I’ll preface my statements by saying that I’m glad, at least ONE, of the panelists is being realistic about the Korean perspective on drug usage in general. But, she did also say that she “grew up in America (middle/high school) - so, it does make sense that she would try to be truthful about (really) HOW much of a different mindset you can have, growing up in Korea, or the West.
But, you have to remember that they all live in Korea, and live MUCH different lives than we do. As a Korean, born in America, I dealt with this EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING (lack) of sympathy exhibited by not only David, but also every. single. cohost. The conversation that they are having literally sounds like what my parents would say. I understand their perspective in some regard, but, my biggest issue with the majority of Korean natives is the general "stance" on weed - that it's the "devil's lettuce." Like goddamn - in 2023, you can hear it in everyones' voices on this (wannabe progressive, yet clearly conservative - as exemplified by this episode), specific, show! "We went through all these trials and tribulations when we were growing up in Korea... yet we never turned to weed.
I think every single one of the individuals on this panel (the "regulars"), have lived in America for some part of their life - so they, at least, have SOME understanding of how different the culture, people, and really, everything is so different. If we had 4 Koreans that had NEVER been to, more or less, LIVED, in America, the (deeply rooted and embedded) conservative nature of 99% of Koreans would be so blatant. I say all that to point out that, even with their experience, each one of the "regulars" are so "against" weed. The girl on the very left even said that she "doesn't think that weed should be legalized, even for MEDICINAL purposes." And they are "trying to bring a slice of Korean culture to America" (or w.e their slogan is). I don't mean to shame them, but they are being extremely two-faced to act like they "understand" Western culture, but still have 0 tolerance/sympathy for people that do ANY drugs - even weed. You couldn't pay any of them to admit that they've smoked weed in America (if they have - they would never do it). It's like admitting you're a meth addict in Korea. So unfortunate.
And I'll end with this... back to your comment (lol): everything I discussed above, David embodies (for good or for worse - again, I don't blame him, most of us would be the same way if we were in his shoes). However, I just could not believe he made this statement regarding meth:
(and I LITERALLY quote - somewhere around the middle of the podcast, I don't have the EXACT words, but this is essentially what he said):
David: "Koreans (we) - whenever we do something, why do we always have to do 'SO MUCH' of it? It's like we can't just stick with weed, we HAVE to go to meth and fentanyl... I was once exposed to meth, but I've never even thought about doing it."
(one of the girls): "David, when were you exposed to meth?!"
David: "On 'Breaking Bad', the TV Show - you guys know what it is..."
(girls): "OHHHHHHHHHHHH... yeah,....."
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David (literally) just said his "first exposure" to meth was WATCHING BREAKING BAD????? Like come on man. My gripe with this show is that they genuinely think they represent "Western Koreans", or, "Koreans that have lived in the U.S. for a long time, so they must have some Western values..."
David needs to get a legitimately KOREAN-AMERICAN Co-Host (if he can take enough of an ego-hit to do so), so that he or she can ACTUALLY talk facts. Not discuss such an important topic as the rise of the use of drugs in Korea, from this (twisted, unrealistic, egotistical) mindframe....
*facepalm
Fi dom things
Well that seemed to be a lack of experience for the other guest as well, at 10:38, who said weed is not addictive. I had a lifetime of weed use with different people & it's just as addictive as a cigarette or more by definition. Their encounters with street drugs seem to be different if at all.
What I disliked about this convo was the uncritical assumption about increase in drugs being linked to exposure to western media. While it obviously can’t be dismissed, Alcohol is the biggest gateway drug, not weed. Drinking culture is somewhat ingratiated into korean social culture. So with increases in access to other drugs, is not surprising. Also alcohol and tobacco are drugs with severe health consequences, it’s just that they have been lobbied to be made legal. So if these gateways to harder drugs are legal, all countries have and will deal with this issue. Well hopefully South Korea does better than the US and realize that drug addiction is a medical issue and that these punishments are not applied unilaterally. But I highly doubt it…
I think the reason ppl don't see alcohol and tobacco as drugs is because they're regulated
@@likhwezititus they’re used to self-medicate and self-soothe just like illegal drugs and can be just as addictive.
@@kimleemoon yes and they can both kill a person
@@kimleemoon yes I'm aware of tht but because it's deemed harder to get in some places they dont consider it a real threat especially if it's ingrained in culture. It's like tht sentiment of "this has been around for a while it hasn't done that much damage" whereas meth and coke are things that have always since the beginning considered bad which they are, i honestly don't understand why ppl jump to the chance to defend so much.
@@TabeaSerenety Google is your friend😊
Besides the fact that there is nothing morally wrong with marijuana, the irony doesn't escape me that alcohol pervades South Korea yet marijuana is considered some criminal drug. How many times have we heard of crimes and deaths related to alcohol compared to how many times we have heard of crimes and deaths related to marijuana? Marijuana is better than alcohol in all cases.
Secondly, research has pretty much shown that prohibition of drugs is primarily responsible for drug-related deaths and crimes, not the legalization of them. One of the things that really irks me is governments completely ignoring precedents (Prohibition, the US' "War on Drugs" which was a complete disaster) that drug prohibition DOES NOT WORK.
People take drugs to escape the soul-crushing capitalist society they are subjected to. If you want to tackle drugs, tackle poverty, tackle exploitation, tackle patriarchy and structures of abuse, tackle architecture designed to isolate us from one another. One of the common tropes in 1950's US was the "drugged wife": they literally had advertisements explicitly telling women that they can't escape being an abused housewife, so they should buy and take their medications to feel numb all the time. The barrage of mental health problems we're seeing in people today isn't due to individual causes: We're facing mental health epidemics because the societies we live in are alienating and exploitative.
Unfortunately, I do not see this being done. As usually the case, governments like to punish people rather than solve problems. Of course, there's a reason for that: solving the issues which cause problems like widespread drug addiction in the first place means necessarily tackling structures of power, abuse, and exploitation that privilege the very same people who are in government making laws and the business leaders who are making tons of profit.
This is perfectly well said and should be one of the top comments. Rather than trying to solve the actual issues such as poverty, mental health, and exploitation, politicians would rather take the easy way out and be "Tough on Drugs". There is also hypocrisy in allowing and regulating alcohol, cigarettes, and prescription drugs while punishing "softer drugs" such as cannabis.
i wish i could pin your comment, perfectly said.
I'm an American and I disagree. We have legal fire arms and varying access to illegal and legal marijuana. We have more mass shootings than any other developed country and because of that we are able to study mass murderers, studies are showing many have had some use of marijuana and seperated studies on on marijuana use in the USA show that modern marijuana is much more potent in concentration than during the 60's etc when it was popular and there were moves for it . Also marijuana use has been shown to cause schizophrenic breakdowns in people which makes the mass shooters make sense, paranoid, schizophrenic breakdowns. I am 100% against marijuana and approve of Singapore and Korea's push against it.
i live in brazil, a country that has been in a "war against drugs" for quite some time, and you know what? it never really worked. because one the most important reasons for consuming drugs is poverty. so as long as this problem is not solved, it doesn't really work to punish in a harsh way. here, drugs and poverty usually go together with racism, and the "solution" that this "war" brings is literally killing those who are black and poor, using the drugs argument. here, young black poor boys with no life perspective join the traffic because it's basically the only way to get money. and we have generations of those boys.
and of course, the only ones arrested for consuming drugs are the ones black and poor. we know for sure that rich people consume a lot of drugs recreationally, and nothing happens to them. important debates we have here in the progressive spectrum: 1- legalizing weed, 2- having an specific weight to separate the users of the dealers, and of course, the latter with having more punishment, 3- investing more in social mobility and education for the poor.
Koreans when alcohol: 🥳.
Koreans when less severe drugs: 🤮.
Drugs like Fentanil are becoming a Worldwide concern. Last year I was in California after more than 10 years and what I saw shock me (and I’m Brazilian). So sad to see one of my favorite cities - San Francisco - completely taken with zombie like homeless people. Shops being robbed left an right and deciding to close, people waking up in the morning and finding drug users sleeping inside their cars…
It’s good that Korean authorities are trying to take charge before it’s out of hand.
One of the things that I thing it’s important it’s to change the Korean mentality about alcohol. The impression I get from all the Korean dramas, variety shows and even Kpop lives that I see, it’s that alcohol it’s consumed in a big quantity and regularly, and that it’s well accepted in society and even encouraged in some situations, like work gatherings and the likes. That is something concerning, that impacts health in many levels and open the doors to other “recreational” drugs, in my opinion. Korea should stop seeing alcohol like a cool thing. The normalization of scenes with people passing out from alcohol consumption it’s shown as funny, as a routinely thing and even cute sometimes.
Totally agreeing with you. I also think that it is great that Korean authorities are taking charge about drugs, but alcoholism is a problem they choose to not pay attention to.
Chicago is getting there lol
@@ejtrujillo So sad to know this, another great city. I’m a fan of the older American cities: San Francisco, Chicago, NY, Boston, New Orleans (not the party scene, but the historical buildings and traditions).
I don't see stuff like that I see it on the news
Agree 100%.
All big US cities are dying.
0:40 episode starts
1:23 topic reveal
4:15 have you ever been exposed to drugs
10:07 why do you think young people reach for drugs
17:55 punishment for drugs
20:10 mental health and rehab
21:30 advertısement
22:00 back to the episode
25:00 older generations
28:45 china-singapore model
32:45 misconception about drug prices
37:10 viewers opinions
I feel like this subject would have been better with some expert voices doctors researchers drug educators policy experts etc.
100%. These people are not subject matter experts on this topic so I don't understand why we should care about their anecdotal opinion.
Experts not from Korea too. Because Koreans have a bias against safe substances like weed
@@acidj4zz Likewise, why tf would I care about YOUR anecdotal opinion? If you don't like it, GTFO right? Everybody has an opinion, and an agenda. Their channel, they can say what they want. Not your channel? STFU or move on.
LMAO. As if every YT podcaster is going to invite an "expert" every time they do a podcast like this? Dream on. Besides, would it matter? The medical community has been telling people to lay off the hard drugs for years - did people listen? Doctors and policy experts also talked long and hard about COVID and vaccination. Would you like me to recount how well that went down in some countries?
They are having a discussion like many are having among their group of friends. They never said they are subject matter experts or policy makers. Are just upset that your views are not being promoted and expressed. Well guess what? Even among the medical community and policy makers, you will find professionals on opposite sides of the issue. So how now, brown cow?
this podcast is about their personal opinions
Agree with some commentators that Korean attitude towards alcohol and marijuana is very strange (to this American). Alcohol is potentially far more
dangerous than pot, yet drinking is built into Korean culture while pot is villainized. I just don't get it!
I'm in my forties and I am Korean American. I was addicted to hardcore drugs for almost twenty years.... I have been sober for over 10 years...if anyone has questions about the drug culture and psychology behind it ask me. I can share my experiences.
How did you become addicted?
I started clubbing in Manhattan when I turned fifteen (1989). Manhattan was a different beast back then compared to now.
I got introduced to drugs while clubbing and making friends in the club scene.
@@lyonnechoi9674 oh sounds common 🤔
We are talking about a country, which still bans porn. Anything other than a heavy handed ban and punishment approach is decades in the future for Korea. People think of Korea as a very modern country but socially it is anything but.
Also as somebody who spend an extended period of time in China, let me assure you there is drug consumption and tons of other things and services the CCP will claim they dont have.
Porn is pretty harmful on all sides tho. However Korea does have its ways around that
the porn industry is disgusting and it must remain banned. all it does is exploit women
Korea is right to ban porn.
It's every bit as harmful as drugs.
I was able to stop porn since Dec of last year. Best thing that I ever did.
What it does to kids is hard to imagine.
In Newsweek, there was an article about how kids were up till 200a looking at porn.
Other kids sexually assaulted kids at school.
It must be banned. If adults want to "opt in" for porn, that's a discussion worth having, but kids must be protected and access reduced.
I think its really interesting that drug use is becoming more prevalent amongst younger Koreans, and although it’s probably complicated, the article stating that one of the reasons might be due to the stress culture in Korea is probably very true. When it comes to meth, the vast majority of consumers are actually working professionals who take the drug to increase productive output - think of the suburban mums who give their children Adderall to be able to keep up with their peers, or someone who is very sick in hospital and has been pumped with powerful sedatives which is often how the addiction starts. This is how the opioid crisis began in America. It’s actually been shown that part of the mystery of addiction is HOW the individual comes into contact with it rather than the drug itself, specifically in social settings where there is intense peer pressure. We know Koreans are very sensitive to others and there is a strong desire to fit in, so in settings where drugs are being distributed, collective drug use is more common. I can’t remember who touched on this, but the idea that weed is a gateway drug into other drugs is a myth. Like Adderall addicts, many addictions begin in social settings, hospitals and schools rather than just smoking weed. The Korean government needs to be very careful about how they execute this war on drugs, and I hope they aren’t using the US as a handbook (even the name worries me) because it seems that there’s still tremendous misconceptions about addiction and by extension how to properly deal with it. I hope the government can do their due diligence and open an inquiry into it first, commision experts like economists and addiction specialists, psychiatrists and mental health professionals to come up with a solution to handle this in a humane, ethical way and no just throwing people in prison because its easier than dealing with the problem.
Edit to add: I think there needs to be some nuance when addressing Chinese narcotraffickers exporting drugs/drug precursors into the country. The people accountable are traffickers who exist outside of the civilian mainstream society and are not the average Chinese citizen and I don’t think it is fair to say ‘they’ as though ALL Chinese people are accountable. The best commentary on this is on Netflix and its called The Business Of Drugs. It’s the best documentary so far that really breaks down the economic factors & each episode is done by drug.
16:43 laughing at that article was distasteful. A lot of people relapsed because of COVID times not from boredom drug addiction stems from bigger issues. The concept of "oh just go get depression medicine" a lot of depression medicines not only don't work, and cause further problems. But can also contain chemicals similar to what people abuse.
That really ruined the video. A lot of good people lost their lives.
I also had to turn it off at this point. This panel sucks. Laughing at someone's mental health state is such bad taste. I'm unsubscribing.
sometimes i feel like they can speak objectively about koreas outdated views, standards etc. but then they say shit like this with no awareness and i realize they still hold onto these, sometimes ignorant and closeminded views themselves. not enough for me to unsubscribe but definitely worth bringing to their attention.
All the research about the effects of Covid are not yet published or not completed. There's a working theory that Covid sufferers experienced brain damage specifically in the amygdala, the portion of the brain dealing with impulse control, which of course for people with addictive tendencies is already a dangerous area. I also thought it was crass to laugh at that point in the conversation, but it will take decades to know all the effects Covid caused on the body.
Aye bro this podcast sound like political and social propaganda boy we sure do have a lot of these type these days.
I have also unsubbed.
They keep deleting my posts.
They can't seem to handle open discussion.
I rarely comment on any videos but I’m sorry to say that this an ill informed video. It shows lack of understanding from everyone how drugs and mental health are very much intertwined with each other. While your other videos might be okay citing anecdotal sources to prove your point, this topic requires more research and knowledge. This episode would have been better if more research has been done.
Kelsey briefly mentioned Vancouver and their supervised consumption sites. I’m a healthcare worker in Canada and it’s frustrating to hear people talk about it without proper knowledge. Please do your research before forming your thoughts around it.
I like this channel because it tackles controversial topics but it would have been more informative if more research goes to it.
Agree. There's a lot of " I heard...." on this episode. Most of the time, that's ok. But with a topic like this, more knowledge and actual facts are needed
Anna's interjections are always necessary. keep up the great work, Anna!
This is a great topic. Little more research, though. Cigarettes, incredibly addictive, alcohol addictive, weed, unless laced with something, not so much. In the US, it is not legal for recreational use in most parts of the country (fact check). Medical grade weed is a very recent thing. It became ok once the government figured out how to regulate and make money off of it.
At the end of the day, all drugs have something in common. They are used to alter the mind. Some drugs are just socially acceptable, making them legal (again, usually tied to money).
Look up Jaqui Saburido. She was the face of one of the most widely viewed PSA's for drinking and driving in the late 90's (warning, a bit graphic). Did absolutely nothing.
Many have already brought it up in the comments, lack of help in mental health, and drug use have a relationship that can not be ignored. People use alcohol and drugs (both legal and illegal) to wire their brain to be "okay" for that moment, whether it be killing emotional or mental pain, concentration, or purposefully losing inhibitions.
And they kept referring to adhd meds as METH
The drugs win every “war against drugs”. The best solution is always honest education and regulated, safe access to those who want to partake.
Education on drugs has never really worked also "safe access" on meth? Drug users give the dealers an incentive to keep running them through the cou try and it eventually gets to the wrong hands. When you take drugs ppl always assume it's only on you, no it impacts EVERYONE around you.
@@likhwezititus what are you talking about? just like any other drug/medication, they need to handle these drugs the same way. drug dealers are the ones with the least clean drugs, if it was regulated we'd already see a change for the better because people consume 'clean drugs' instead of dangerous laced shit. it works with every drug if done correctly. drugs arent evil, what do you mean it 'impacts everyone around you'? unless you're talking about addiction, no, it doesnt. and if we had better education on these drugs, people with an addiction would also have an easier time finding help and recovering. if you're just talking about consuming drugs, how does that impact anyone but yourself?
No, the West is dying because they aren't taking the gloves off in the drug war.
We are drowning in drug addiction here in the West.
So your solution is to legalize all hard drugs?
No country on earth does that.
I'm glad you tackled this taboo topic. I think it is important to talk about things so people can learn about and hopefully not partake in drugs. As for how Korea should handle the situation. I hope they take the best outcomes of various countries and try to implement it. No matter what direction Korea goes, there will be pros and cons. Thanks for another great episode.
Social media is also free and addictive lol
When it comes to topics on drugs, you really need to educate yourself on them, especially when we talk about marijuana. In the U.S., it is still considered a Schedule 1 drug, despite many states passing bills for the legalization of marijuana, both recreational and medical use. I'm pro-legalizing marijuana because I know the benefits I personally get from using it. The data has shown that it has been helpful as a form of holistic healthcare. On the contrary, I know many people who have taken harsher drugs like fentanyl and have died from them.
This topic can go in various directions. Also, we MUST tread lightly when discussing mental health and drug use because there's so much stigma around mental health and drug use.
The war on drugs is a deeply flawed approach that will never achieve its intended goals. Instead of addressing the root causes of drug addiction and focusing on rehabilitation and harm reduction, it perpetuates a cycle of criminalization and punishment. The demand for drugs is a complex social issue that cannot be solved through punitive measures alone. The profits generated by the illegal drug trade create a powerful incentive for organized crime and corruption, making it nearly impossible to eliminate. I think countries should instead prioritize education, prevention, and treatment, shifting towards a more compassionate and evidence-based approach that acknowledges addiction as a public health issue rather than a criminal one.
A war on drugs is the only sane approach.
America and the West is drowning in drug addiction.
I am sorry to say this bro but people with trauma is one of the biggest users of drugs if you dont believe me you should read books by DR GABOR MATE he is an addiction expert and has done extensive reasearch and written books on it . He is Canadian.
Well alcohol is bad enough. No need to add to that.
@@icingcake i guess we should ban alcohol then instead of solving the actual problem. good comment bro.
@@ajlee2168 Here’s a thought - you can solve the problem without adding to it.
This discussion makes me think of how in the US many POC are doing time ( long sentences) for smoking/selling marijuana, while others are making bank for selling it because all of a sudden it’s “legal” now 😒. And of course there’s the unequal barrier for a sellers license (cost wise). What ever the rules are for drugs, make them fair.
This right here!
I’m not fully done with the podcast yet and I don’t mean any disrespect with my comment but I really don’t think it’s fair to brush past the effects of the competitive nature of Korea. Even though the cast has “gotten through it before” it doesn’t make it any less traumatic and stressful to the younger generation. And on top of that students have to deal with an even smaller/more competitive job market, rising housing prices and a mental health epidemic. It’s not something to be taken lightly no matter how long it’s been going on. Kids now have more access to dangerous information that can lead them on a destructive path. There’s no one reason for why people do drugs and it’s not easy to combat but hope people can still be mindful of how they can be submissive towards the younger generations feelings and have sympathy for our children.
As much as I do believe easy access to information and harmful media play a part in drug use, it's not the main cause. People turn to substances for a myriad of reasons but mostly due to stress, loneliness, and meaninglessness of life. Yes, we have all experienced stress but it doesn't mean stress isn't the reason for substance abuse. As you said it's mostly students and young adults who abuse these substances. The only connecting factor is the stress of not even being "successful", but surviving in today's living conditions. From your previous Dkdktv episodes, you stated that people are investing in stocks at a young age because having a regular 9-5 alone won't sustain you (I'm paraphrasing of course). A lot more people are living closer to poverty than before, and that realization alone is enough for someone to turn to these substances.
If ever you doubt this just remember that people are forgoing marriage and kids because they can't afford it. Life now is harder than ever before and not everyone can deal with it sober.
As a "Westerner," I have seen friends and friends' parents use drugs, but never have I turned to them, so the whole "it's the West" nonsense can be dropped.
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that might just be your experience tho. obviously not everyone in western countries do drugs even though we're surrounded by it, but i think its ignorant to think that things like peer pressure as well as celebrities glamourising drugs in their music and film (in a way that doesnt happen in korea bc they all get cancelled) dont play a huge part. obviously substance abuse is strongly linked with stress and mental health issues, however the older generations in korea lived through the korean war and extreme poverty but never turned to hardcore drugs similar to meth and fentanyl, so the rise of it is most likely due to the influence of western media and attitudes around it that are more lax. that being said i dont think its a co-incidence that drug dealers target students as they know theyre more prone to addiction due to the immense amount of stress they're under, and if this problem isnt dealt with properly, the combination of more lax western attitudes towards drugs and the stress students are under could lead to a big addiction problem amongtst students.
This was a very interesting topic. Unfortunately, the problem of drug use is very difficult to control, and it seems no one really has a sustainable answer. As far as punishment is concerned, it seems that the poor and unconnected users carry the brunt of that. It is a miserable situation for sure, and because the world has become so small, and accessibility so easy, I believe the problem will only increase. Somehow, I believe that until we address mental illness, loneliness, extreme stress and hopelessness amount some groups, and educate the young on the sad realities of drug use, we will not be able to combat this very complex problem. I see the increase of drug use and addition as a symptom of the hurt in the world.
An adverse by product of America's War on Drugs was the privatization of prisons, whether that was planned or not, it led to basically a state-sponsored slavery that created criminals from people who were mildly addicted to soft drugs, like marjuana, and forced them into prisons where their labor is capitalized on by bigger criminals (corporations). Once America decriminalized marijuana and released prisoners convicted for mj, corporations who owned prisons were left without a labor force, hence why harder drugs became a problem in the present.. to continue to provide slaves for the system. Also, if Korea gets into what's going on in the US a decade later, in ten years people in Korea are going to realize that working for a corporation for your whole life is antithetical to living a good life. At that point Koreans will develop a lot of side hustles which become full time hustles, working for themselves rather than for a corporation.
People are always curious about things but I am guessing the supply being more accessible is the key here.
thanks to China 33:05 they can make anything MADE IN CHINA
Being pro death sentence is very wild take, I would recommend to rethink your position on that David.
I think a lot of the theories the panel are dismissing have some credibility - the truth is likely in the middle. Citizens are stressed from the pressure of their culture and feeling isolated from Covid, but that's not the only reason for the increased drug usage. Being a Korean American I felt a tremendous amount of pressure from my culture to succeed and compete, so I honestly cannot imagine what that's like in Korea. It makes me a bit sick to think about. That's why any out that's presented to its culture like Crypto or Gambling are adopted, and ultimately coping with Alcohol is decided. My only advice to people in Korea is to consider leaving - even a quarter of that work ethic will get you infinitely further abroad. People are so busy competing with each other in Korea that they don't realize how incredible they are. I always joked with my parents that I wouldn't have been able to compete in Korea, but in the US it's "easy mode" in comparison.
Seems like Korea is behind the US in terms of the fight against drugs. The war on drugs does not work. I don’t pretend to know how to fix the issue, but I think Korea will be much stricter than than the States. I will be interested to see how this goes
People need a purpose in life , coldness and heartless attitude from the society toward those who needs help either mental or socioeconomic leads to escapism that is addiction to drugs.
The US already did the war on drugs if you remember D.A.R.E it was a horrible failure, weed and mushrooms are some of the least harmful thing you could do.
But the US actually made huge progress against tobacco so they can when they want...
@@HereDiianas tobacco in no way shape or form is on the level of any of hard drug that doesn’t make any sense those are not equivalent. And and every teenager has a vape so there still smoking tobacco, all that drug free propaganda failed
When we talk about policies surrounding drug regulation and intervention, our focus must be the suppliers, not the consumers. People should not be criminalized for consumption, because that will cause several social problematics that will affect different societal structures. And I'm speaking from experience as in my country the "war against drugs" only affected consumers, every day people that had jobs, families but having a criminal record will affect your life in every way and thus, remaining in poverty and possibly turn to the streets to be full time addicts. So many governments turn to this approach to criminalize consumers and "show results" but fail to tackle drugs traffic leaving the country and turn the criminalization of drug use into a political discourse of morals: bad=drug addicts (usually young people), good= police, the government and official institution. So there's a lot to unpack and hopefully we can use our critical thinking to address this matter in the future.
Alcohol is much more addictive than weed. It's also been proven that weed is not a gateway drug.
Everyone I know has said weed is a gateway drug. Cops too.
Just like in America , a “war” on drugs will be a failure. Drugs are a symptom, you have to actually address the reasons why society are crumbling otherwise nothing will actually change. Also Korea has alcohol ads literally in bathrooms but weed is still treated like the worse thing in the world. This is not gonna be good.
I would love for there to be a part 2 to this, with a bit more research brought to the table.
I couldn't help but notice that the only comments acknowledged by Pizza Club were ones that kind of went along with what your views are. I get it if comments were malicious, I wouldn't engage those comments either. Everyone here seems to be pretty respectful. Disagreement does not equal hate comments. I acknowledge that getting asked to examine what you said can be uncomfortable. That's why a part 2 might be interesting.
It does seem like what you guys are doing is dancing on the edge of investigative journaling. That is a very cool thing.
I can see people turning to substances due to depression caused by the pandemic. Whether it's alcohol or any other vice. I know alot of people with mental health problems after covid due to feeling isolated etc.
Exactly! They laughed it off but then in the next breath gave examples of its actual existence. I was baffled that they didn't see that they were making the case for post pandemic depression.
I keep hearing that South Korea is a drug free country, but that it has huge alcohol problems. Isn't that a contradiction? I don't understand how some can look condencently at other countries where weed is legal, when it is proven that alcohol is more harmful for a person's health and for the people around (mental impairment, health damage, it makes one engage in more risky behaviours, drunk driving, increases violent behavior, sexual harassment etc.). I've seen studies where it ranks first when comparing how harmful is to people around the user, the family, community. If you think about it, even coffe is a drug because it has an effect on the brain's activity. It blocks the receptors that informs you when you're tired. There is no drug free country. Each country has it's legal drugs that were decided in the past by the state, with the limited research they had at that moment. I agree that the issue is with heavy drugs and that it is a global concern. I don't think that increasing punishments for the users to scare the young ones will work, as suggested in the video. Will this also apply to young people? I head about a case where some teenagers stole a car, drove recklessly and where involved in a hit-and-run that resulted in a person's death. They did not go to prison and they seem pretty confident what they will get away with it, since they did many other crimes and we're never held responsible. And their records are clean. I doubt that severe punishments regarding drug usage will scare the young ones if this does not even apply to them. Also, many people that use heavy drugs are from lower social-economic backgrounds, have unsolved traumas, mental issues etc. They are people that are hurting. I think the best solution is providing them with the the adequate health&mental care, as well as punishing the distributors.
More topics:
- why does suspects have to reenact murder scenes? isn't have traumatic? also, aren't you innocent until proven guilty?
- internet troll culture in korea...e.g. Tablo's school scandal
- why is coparenting in korea limited? why is only one parent awarded full custody in korea and the other parent becomes like a stranger? e.g. Go Hyung jung, lim chang jung kids from 1st wife call his 2nd wife mom? Do his kids get to see their biological mom?
Yes divorce and children custody is something that is very confusing to me, so some exploration/explanation would be cool.
Ultimately, this is a mental health issue. With Korea's high un-aliving rate, it was just a matter of time and access. The statistics of hurting people have been obvious for some time. Mental health is where this needs to be combated.
I would just say, Korea would do well to learn from our mistakes here in the U.S, where a war on drugs and strict punishments only resulted in complete disaster, horrific prison conditions, and ruined the lives of millions.
You guys can do better than us, you have our past to guide you to much more innovative and humane solutions❤️
Wrong.
The US is dying because of their weak willed war on drugs and de facto drug legalization.
Korea is on the right path. India doesn't allow drugs either.
I’m Korean and grew up in America. I was never exposed to drugs until college, but I found out that some of my friends were doing drugs and even selling them during junior high and high school!! I was really naive and oblivious when I was young. So if kids were actively looking for them, it would be super easy to have access to them. I’m scared for my kids but I will always have an open and honest discussion with them once they get older and hope they make good choices.
i feel like the most important thing for keeping kids away from substances is fostering healthy safe environments for them … dont give them a reason to escape through addiction and they wont choose that over a fulfilling loving life, home, & future 😮💨
@@kona3881 totally agree!!
there is a drug rehap center somewhere in korea. i rememeber Suga talked about one of his friends who was doing it and he promised to stop and the next thing he knew he was called to a facility center where the friend was charged for it. it was in his lyrics. i think he also talked about him in his solo song first love. he cut all ties with him and he later died from an overdose or something like that. so Suga has been very anti drug since then. and i thank god for that
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It's probably its stress that they're feeling. Korea is very strict and children have to be super smart in order to live a good life and get into good Colleges maybe that what it is. But Korea is hypocritical because they have alcohol an alcohol is one of the worst drugs but its normal over there even though there's people that drink and don't make it at home They're like sleeping outside.
As a nurse who lives in an area greatly affected by drug use, I am glad Korea is going hard on drugs. Also, I’m Mexican and know that my country would fully thrive if the cartels weren’t such a corruption and danger. The business of drug dealing killed many. I love that I could walk at night in Seoul without fear of walking in on something or being attacked by someone out of their mind. Best of luck to Korea.
Yeah, many of these naive zoomers fail to see the real dangers of a drug economy - they are too busy defending it to justify themselves using it.
Yeah this won't work out lol. Drugs cause lots of problems but drug wars exacerbate them. If you want an example just look at the US. People seem to think these drugs are new. They are not. Drug use in the US has climbed despite the drug war. This isn't because they didn't crack down hard enough and it's not because the drugs are new. Most illegal drugs have existed for centuries. The real issue is the social changes and political decisions.
This is a very serious topic, but when soobeani said "a lot of people travel to do drugs", it made me LOL😂.
If students are using meth it's because they have too much work and are stressed and have to compete. Using "smart drugs" to get free ridiculous hours of education and having to pass incredibly difficult exams is not the same as using fentanyl recreationally.
It leads to addiction and is no better than the meth head American stereotype, but when it's students it tells you that these aren't just kids who are taking drugs for fun - they're trying to do homework, which is tragic.
Because of precious to perform in education, they're now going to be addicted for the rest of their lives 😔🖤💜
It’s madness that as an American living in America, I find this entire conversation comical because of how rampantly normal the topic of drugs in every aspect is so normal here. It’s curious to see them discuss this. Fascinating. Drugs are a wicked problem with no clear or easy solution.
Hey guys I appreciate the effort on talking about topics like this, but it would have been better if all of you would all have a little bit more knowledge about the subject. I just heard the same opinion over and over again. I'm not saying you have to know everything, but just a little bit more insights or at least invite a person with more insights. This was a very interesting conversation and I'm really enjoying the podcast.
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I really hope that Korea can learn from other countries and what they have done Wrong as well as what they have done right. Punishment does not deter drug use or distribution. So what works, for actually lowering drug use and distribution? Legalizing use under professional care. For example, if you have a place that people can buy or at least test the street drugs, then under supervision of nurses and doctors they can prevent overdoses as well as prevent the use of drugs that have been contaminated. This prevents the death toll that drug use causes. Then, if you have a mandatory counseling psychiatric care after the drugs have worn off, then people tend to stop using drugs. Most drug use is for Undiagnosed or Untreated psychological issues, some is for a physical ailment, but not most. This has worked for many countries and has lowered the toll of drugs on society both financially and death tolls . I hope one day the USA will adopt the programs that have been scientifically proven to help society.🤕😷😶🌫😇
SInce it was mentioned in passing, a little update from Thailand.
We've just elected a new gov and one of the gov MOU clauses signed by all parties is that they will criminalize weed again (or at least put more regulations on it somehow) since the current "free game" state of selling and using weed is causing a huge ass problem within the school and medical system. We have politicians and public figures voicing concerns about this for a while. It was such an idiot move of the last gov to decriminalize weed and didn't put any regulations on who can access weed because now we have middle schoolers smoking weed. It's like opening hell's gate tbh and it's insane.
When i was living in Korea I remember being told that having drugs in your system is considered the same as possession. There fore when we get jobs and enter into Korea we were drug tested (urine samples), to see if there were any. So I've heard stories where the nurses tell the foreigner that, its negative and it's best you leave ASAP. And if you are on medication you need to tell them which ones your are on as it can give false negatives
Another story I hear about arrests about drugs, is that if they lock 1 person up. They'll keep them in solidary confinement for about 2 weeks to break their spirit so they will tell on who is supplier/user.
No way. In China, if you are found to possess drugs, the severity of the punishment depends on the amount you have. However, it doesn’t necessarily mean you will face the death penalty. This extreme punishment is reserved for those who sell drugs in large quantities way beyond we can imagine.
would LOVE an episode on how Korean workplaces are. I feel like most information is outdated and/or based on stereotypes or dramatized shows.
This has always been a curiosity to me with Korea - weed is viewed as this big evil thing, but alcohol and tobacco are embraced - so a natural thing that won't harm or kill you is bad, but processed and definitely damaging things are loved and accepted.
War on drugs can mean very different things for different countries. I am studying social work in Sydney and I realised that having a western lens on social ills such as poverty, drugs etc can mean very different things. It’s valid comments from your personal experience and view, but take note it’s in a very different context (South Korea, one of the richest countries in Asia region). 🙏🏻👌🏻
The regulars! 🥺 I’m so happy. I hope you guys talk about the innovation of small businesses in South Korea such as cafes and clothing stores. I’m studying to be a business teacher in my uni
COVID-19 depression is real, so you shouldn’t diss it! Depression and anxiety is rampant everywhere in the world.
Just a suggestion… You should be careful about the things that you speak of if you’re not an EXPERT on the subject. Like… Weed is not addictive and, most importantly, IT IS NOT a gateway drug. There are peer reviewed studies on the subject.
I could be wrong, but I thought I saw news coverage about that “handing out drug filled drinks to students” story when it first happened. The coverage I saw said the admitted motivation wasn’t to get the kids addicted, but to blackmail the parents with reporting the children and ruining their lives. Maybe I’m wrong? Or that news coverage was wrong? Or it was a different but similar incident? 🤷♀️🤔
That makes more sense
This is true.
Hate to say this but why is nobody talking about the parents who are giving their children ADHD medication to focus better. What do you think happens when the children get addicted to the meds and need a higher 'concentration' fix? They go looking for harder drugs.
You don't have to go to western media to get addicted to these narcotics, you just need an overzealous parent who is more focused on a concept of success that they are willing to feed them drug to get it.
Listening to this video makes me realize how nice Korea is. As a relatively cynical New Yorker, I suggest y'all keep hard drugs out of your country by any means necessary. I live in the SF Bay area and the fentanyl crisis is heart breaking.
That's not possible and never has been possible. The idea that these countries "don't have drugs" is a myth. The main reason the US has issues with drugs isn't because they didn't crack down hard enough, it's because they constantly immiserate and impoverish their population. SK did alright off the back of super rapid industrialization and development. But that's slowing down now and the poverty and inequality is catching up. If it continues they'll be in the same place as the US.
When they all agree that it is not possible that the reason from the drug use is stress so openly, arguing that it has always been there, you get to realize how little brain people have and how easy to manipulate the are. Look at it this way, people never had access to those drugs or to try them as they do now (mostly overseas), a person under such duress is always looking for something to help alleviate their suffering so, why not try "the new thing" as opposed to the other methods that they used to try? it is in fact a very compelling reason to use drugs, those substances hit you with dopamine and calming effects massively, which is precisely what those people under stress and depressed need.
Never assume that "because something has always been there, it can't be a factor", the variables outside influence the situation.
Then they proceed to agree that access to online content where drug use is being displayed can definitely play a factor, excuse me? so, how much access to violent content do you have online? are people committing more crimes or being more violent because of it? this can be applied to multiple scenarios, the number of people that is truly so impacted that can take action for nefarious activities based on content they consume is very low and they most likely have some baggage that they carry to go down that path.
I think the move away from more conservative values coupled with the rise of social media is a real cause for the rise in drugs. One there is an increased state of misery caused by the lack of purpose and values. More people living without familial or community support also causes increased loneliness and increased vulnerability. Social media makes matters worse because it makes it seem like some have the perfect life while others are quick to share their anger, envy and dissatisfaction, making it spread. This isn’t even including the pressure that comes with social media allowing huge swaths of the globe to “follow” your every move and judge you for every failure. Add to that the fact that drugs are more easily accessible and of course you’re going to see an increase. It’s not just happening in South Korea either. It’s a problem all over the developed world.
The repression in South Korea make the youngers look for more drugs, humans beings are like that. They love what is forbidden the major explanation is this.
Korea should chill on weed tho lol The fact that the cops have to monitor the making of sambe is crazy since industrial hemp doesn't even have THC in it.
Alcohol though legsl is a drug too and its very serious as well.
Italy just did a major drug bust with Chinese and Cartels...😮
It's all about escapism
Meth and Fentanil are a big issue in my state of Kentucky. My little 12 year old brother even had some kind of drug prevention thing at their school over it and a warning notice about sent home to the parents of that school.
We had that war on drugs in the Philippines. Some of you may know how our former president talked about it, and it did not end well. It doesn't work.
I wish our government would be as vigilant dealing with the drug problem in California. Its such a mess.
Please discuss bullying in South Korea why is it so prevalent in schools and why doesn’t the Govt. Pass laws to ban it and nobody talks about it in real why???
6:14 IM DYING. Anna giving her the side eye because she basically said that she looked like someone who does drugs 😭😭
27:00 Kelsey is right. About 10 years ago now, my dad's friend and neighbor was dying of cancer. She had lost her appetite and so wanted to enjoy food and live life as much as she could for the time she had left and didn't want to witther away from no nutrients/food. My dad got her some weed and she got an appetite back again and was so grateful. That state is still very restrictive and barely now just have medical Marijuana approved. I'm in the state next door and recreational Marijuana has been legal for several years now. Almost everyone I know uses Marijuana, either in ecratridges to vape or smoke the bud or a lot eat the edibles for a variety of reasons: chronic pain from a chainsaw leg injury and she doesn't want to get hooked on the strongest meds they have which is opioid(fentonyl like you guys are talking about), others for help with sleep and some just to relax and unwind. All have normal jobs and lead regular lives. They're not hardcore "stoners" or bums or anything. It's much more normalized and a common thing here.
Weed is not addictive, but mentally you can become addicted to it. It is legal in my state (in the U.S), but it is heavily regulated. What your university age students need to know about fentanyl is that the drug is very deadly. Americans are dying by the thousands here, it pours through our borders as they are currently wide open. Listening to you all discussing about drugs and talking about the heavy alcohol use, not sure if you all realize it or not, but alcohol is a drug. It is a depressant. Meth, fentanyl, cocaine are all highly addictive and deadly. There needs to be huge awareness campaigns in the schools in S. Korea. They seemed to have laxed on that here in the U.S. Great show. Just know, that the war on drugs does not work, we did that here in the States, we failed. It made the problem worse as the criminals found work arounds and ramped it up.
Ps I also think covid amplified not only social isolation but also depression. This possibly may have created a greater need for escapism. Lots of private party’s and something for those with more disposable income as I feel the drug problem in Korean is more associated with those that are rich.
The war on drugs in the US was a colossal failure that incarcerated millions of poor people, cost billions of dollars, and even destabilized some Latin American countries. It all stems from the boneheaded idea that "drugs are bad and people who do drugs are bad." It was a simple solution to a complex problem. The government saw it as a morality issue, rather than a health or economical issue. Hopefully Korea doesn't follow in our footsteps.
As for marijuana, I think Kelsey's argument is the strongest. Marijuana doesn't have properties that cause physical dependence in humans. Alcohol and cigarettes are more addictive. The "gateway" aspect of smoking weed comes from the mentality. It's psychological. The type of person who smokes weed because they need approval from their peers is the one who's likely to move on to hardcore drugs. Some people are more susceptible to peer pressure or the need to chase the next high. It's a case by case basis. In the same breadth, marijuana can also affect people differently. Some people say they feel enlightened, others get brain fog and hate it.
Reality is, you will never change a person's view on a subject if the person is emotional about that subject. The person thinks it is more important how they feel about a subject than the truth on a subject. If you think someone is emotional about the subject. Ask, what is more important, how you feel about ______ is more important than the truth? Then the fun begins. If the person won't listen to the other side of the argument, then that person is brainwashed and will get emotional. We must look at all subjects with out emotion and listen to both sides.
They just told everyone u can buy drugs on telegram haha
Weed isn’t a gateway drug 🤦🏻♀️
Very interesting episode and an important topic to address. However for clarification China isn't actually processing the final fentanyl drug product, but they do make the precursor (a form of chemical) ingredient, and note the precursor ingredient isn't enough to "get you high" as it has to be processed to get to the "final" stage. So 99.99% chance that whoever in China is processing the precursor into the final fentanyl drug product are doing it absolutely illegally (most likely gangs/drug rings) and if they get caught it's the death penalty for sure. There is also the other possibility of the final processed drug coming from north America, as over there precursors are also from China, and then it's manufactured by two cartels, the Jalisco and Sinaloa Cartels and then they distributed them through out the usa etc.
Also note precursors are not only used in illegal drugs, but also "legal" drugs that are to treat cancer, rare diseases etc., meaning there are many precursors out there, and depending on what you do with them it can become "illegal", hence why it's so hard to track which precursor could lead to illegal drug production when being imported into a country, because it also depends on how you declare the materials to the customs...
Hopefully more people around the world will be educated enough to know that just stay away from hard drugs like fentanyl and it's really not worth it to ruin yourself and others. ✌️
Accessibility is potentially the biggest factor as people might have always wanted to try it but now the world is more connected it is easier to get drugs into the country! Whether that’s through corruption or sophisticated methods it’s now in the country and people can also afford it. For me as a foreigner Koreans have a lot of impostor syndrome and often are not true to themselves when they are struggling so are much more susceptible to methods of escapism such as drink, drugs or gambling. And money makes people excuse behaviour such as drug use rather than getting the individual help! Something that is also true in western countries also.
If you had weed dispensaries and pharmacies, they would be government regulated. You wouldn’t have to deal with the gang violence.
I was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult and I hang out in Vancouver 🤡🤪 come on!!!
It's odd to hear y'alls take on things that are considered medication here in the states. Very interesting.
Let us remember that drugs never enter areas and permeate where there isn't a market for it. If the market exists, then the drugs will get in. It doesnt matter who manufactures it, the market is there in Korea so whoever took advantage of it from foreign drug makers to local distributors and gangs, it's a system that will exist in a toxic relationship.
Weed is not the problem, it is impossible to overdose on weed. The people selling alcohol and collecting the tax do not want people smoking weed instead. Cigarettes are far more deadly
In the USA we are realizing the connection between marijuana and schizophrenic breakdowns and paranoia, also a growing connection between marijuana use among american mass shooters who are mentally unstable.
Actually, it's the connection between psychotropic medications and mass shooters that is at the heart of the issue.
Korea: Declares war on drugs
Me, an American: Oh no here we go again....
(Seriously, the war on drugs has turned America into a police state, with a little help from the war on terror and the patriot act. Say no to wars on drugs.)
Trying to escape harsh realities is the goal in every culture. A govt. can only do so much, and if S. Korea is trying to protectors citizen’s, good. Distributors sell death, so sentencing them to their business model makes sense.
I think what Kelsey mentioned about Vancouver and certain places in the west distributing drugs is also to disempower drug dealers/gangs that benefit from things being illegal.
Another issue in the US in particular is the addictive nature of pharmaceutical drugs. I know a lot of people benefit from the medicine we have here but I'd encourage everyone to look into the opioid crisis/the Sackler Family/and how aggressive hospitals are with prescribing drugs they know are addictive. That relates to what we call "Big Pharma" and how expensive medicine is in the US compared to other countries.
Also I'm surprised cocaine wasn't really talked about, maybe it's mainly an issue in California but cocaine is definitely used a lot in both Hollywood and tech companies in Silicon Valley because people often think they need drugs to "keep up" with the work culture there. That's another case of the system being the issue, moreso than the drugs.
Can you guys also talk about slave contracts and artists mistreatment from some entertainment companies? Particularly highlight some high profile case like lee seung gi, EXO’s CBX contract termination, being blacklisted from korean channels like SNSD Jessica and ex members of TVXQ and the likes.