32:15…Yup! Maddux got handed that strike! Bullshit! Braves got handed calls all game Lmfao! So funny you dipshit brave fans over look Maddux gifts and cry about Livan when in fact your pussy braves swung and missed on strike three like 8 times?! Unreal! Marlins were just way better that season and that’s proven by them kicking your asses in only 6 games at Turner field HAHAHAHA
he called the same strike zone for both sides... yea he should have probably been fired after the game.. but he wasn't giving either side an advantage... he was equally horrible to all
Games like this built Vegas to be what it is today..you know there was a lot of money on the braves..most popular team in the 90’s vs new team with one of the best pitchers of all time in Maddox on the mound..yeah ima call rigged
Or ya know, fire the bad umpires plain and simple, we don’t need robots wiping our asses for us or cars driving for us, people are just fucking lazy as technology advances, your elders would be disappointed seeing you say that
@@Ryandushara I don't care about my elders who don't know how to use a cell phone and oppose progress just because "back in my day...", I also don't even think umps are necessarily lazy they just have an impossible task of making inch-perfect rulings on 100mph pitches. No reason to spend energy on something that can be done better by technology.
agreed! leave the calls on the bases to the umps. those can be appealed, but balls and strikes cannot be appealed. let the computer box call the balls and strikes. I remember this game. I wonder how much $ went into his pocket? who blackmailed him to make these ridiculous calls? pitiful.....
As the game goes on, you see the Braves left-handed hitters swinging at pitches further and further outside the strike zone because those pitches are being called strikes. That last pitch of the game summarizes the day perfectly.
The strike zone was called both ways. Maddux got calls and Glavine sure did the games b4. It was a wide strike zone and Marlins were smart enough to use it! Braves left batters on base n Tucker couldnt catch a flyball in outfield. Was a great game but Marlins were just the better team! This wasnt the clinching game, Braves still had chances and couldnt do it! 14 divisions in a row and only 1 ring! They Choke every yr!
Bobby Cox, who would complain about anything and everything, interestingly did not criticize the strike zone after the game - saying something along the lines of "the strike zone was what it was and we didn't adjust to it." Everyone knew the Braves pitching staff got a liberal strike zone in those days and Cox was careful to not upset the apple cart.
Anonymous Commenter the problem was that he was consistent in a way but it still damaged the Braves more. Thing was he had a wider strike zone for left-handers than for right handers, particularly outside. The Marlins only had three left handers in their lineup-the Braves had six.
He has a "wide" zone, not a "tall" zone. The called ball CJ brought down 2 feet from where it crossed the plate. The called strike was consistent with the rest of the game it appears.
Yes, Maddox was so good! That pitch were ball would veer left and then back to the right was insane! I hate braves with all my heart, but I do love Pitching over hitting and low scoring pitchers duels and those three the Braves had were awesome! Florida had a good ass staff too! Brown, Leiter, Fernandez and Livan were amazingly good
32:15…6inches off plate and below the knees, Yet Braves Get handed strike calls! Bonilla hits a “strike” 2 feet off the plate and drives in a run anyway before this, so that was the difference! Marlins hitters were able to hit anything and braves couldn’t! Same strike zone the ENTIRE game! Hell, Maddux likely had more balls called strikes than Livan did and STILL got his ass beat!
The only reason FOX Sports ultimately won this battle is pretty apparent in this very broadcast: the scoreboard graphic. NBC has no excuse frankly. They're showing you scores of that day's NFL games as often as they show you the score of THIS game. Fox already had the constant scoreboard graphic the year before (you can see in the 96 NLCS). Otherwise NOBODY is taking Buck and McCarver over Costas and Uecker...NOBODY.
Thank you for posting this. Despite the gigantic strike zone, this was one of the most interesting and dramatic games in LCS history. I greatly enjoyed watching it. Looking forward to what you add next.
From what I can gather, Gregg at the time was "subtly" protesting the incoming flux of tv strike zones that were appearing at the time, he apparently was not alone in this and other umpires in the league began calling purposely egregious zones in protest, this is just the most famous example. Some, like Joe Brinkman, made their zones absolutely tiny.
The issue in this game was that while Gregg was rather consistent in his ridiculously wide strike zone, (which was wider than usual even for him, though he was always known to have a wide strike zone, but not like this) it was wider outside off the plate for left-handed batters than it was for right handers and the Braves had six left-handers in their lineup, vs. only 3 for the Marlins
Brinkman shrunk his zone when he went from the outside protector to the inside in 1980, then he took it to ridiculous proportions later in his career. Look at the 1998 ALDS game when he squeezed Gooden and ejected Hargrove in the first
I still believe that this game was rigged. No way a strike zone could be this wide.I remember being a braves fan at my home being so frustrated with the strike call zone. Everybody was against the Braves in this game because of a pitcher.
New Expansion team soon to be up for sale? Team in Miami with a staring Ace who’s from Cuba who has been trying to get his family to America? Uhhhh yeah I can see how’d you’d say that
Well, that is a ODD accusation considering Maddux bitch ass got the EXACT SAME STRIKE ZONE, dingus! You watch only the bottom of every inning on a natural basis or just in this game?!
2:33:55. Bob Costas. “That pitch might have been outside” understatement of the century! My Bravos got hosed! How the announcers weren’t calling out how terrible how Gregg was is beyond me
They didn’t get hosed, Maddux got same strike zone! Shut up and plus those sissies had 2 more games to make it up and couldn’t! They were toast playing a better team!
Joe Morgan was terrible imo. For example, listen to him actually argue that Devon White didn’t stick his knee into the K zone on that hbp in the 1st on this game. Are you freaking kidding me? Overrated broadcaster imo.
@@JohnMegaton2062 Nah, Tim McCarver was beyond terrible as a broadcaster. At least Joe Morgan knew what he was talking about when he came prepared during his NBC years. McCarver became even worse as the years when on and many rejoiced when he finally retired in 2014.
@@JohnMegaton2062 Joe Morgan was one of (if not the best) best broadcasters of all time. His insight was second to none. And they way he explained it, and his timing was great.
@@AEM-le7uyMcCarver and Morgan both were of variable quality depending on who their partners were. Morgan was great in this crew-a bit less so with Jon Miller. McCarver was at his best with Al Michaels and Jim Palmer. Didn’t have that same chemistry with either of the Bucks or Sean McDonough, and then he started trying to do too much.
32:15..Look at the GIFT Maddux gets handed on that one! PROOF Livan and Maddux had wide strike zone priveledges! Livan was just the better Pitcher and the Marlins were the better team!
Yes it does..Means the STRIKE Zone is WIDE today! Marlins took advantage and Braves didnt! Alot of swing n misses too! Marlins had the better team that yr, Period! It was that teams time! Great Game, 1 of best ever!
Well Dunks, He WASNT better on this day! Livan was striking out 15 of those Atlanta hobos! Maddox just wasn’t able to capitalize on the wide strike zone like Livan was! Marlins were the better team pound for pound! They went on to prove this after this game anyway! Braves had many chances to beat them and they simply couldn’t! Marlins are YOUR Champions for 1997!!
This series was full of braves errors and baserunning blunders, and the marlins had no fear. Despite the fact they finished 9 games behind the braves in the division, they kicked their butt head to head during the regular season.
Gregg was scared their flight to Atlanta would land after all the good restaurants closed. He ran up five-figure tabs at Morton's whenever he was in Chicago. He drank and drank a lot, and not the cheap stuff either. He also indulged in $200 cigars.
16:06 IN THE FIRST INNING and BEFORE all the called strikes, Jones swinging at a ball a mile away! So there goes the excuse! Braves were swinging outs on over half of OUR MVPs 15 Ks! So, WHY would u swing? Idiots that went 6-12 against YOUR WORLD CHAMPS!!
Oh, then McGWUFF Does the SAME THING! Livan just had a nasty breaking ball and they just couldn’t hit it! Make all excuses you want, Braves totally could not handle the Marlins! They were way too tough for them! They go 6-12 against the Marlins in 97…OUCH!
Eric's extreme enthusiasm on those strike calls, ESPECIALLY against The Braves, to me, showed he either wanted the game over or wanted any Braves hitter to say anything to him about it.
They didn't sell any of those seats and kept them tarped over to avoid the appearance of empty seats in playoff games. But they opened them all up in the 2003 playoffs and the team sold out every postseason game, 65,000+ for all three rounds. They should have done the same here.
This was the best Braves team of the entire 1990's. The Braves won over 100 games that season, Chipper had over 100 RBIs, Neagle won over 20 games as a starter and they could not solve a team of mercs on the Florida Marlins. That 1997 Braves team had 8 All-Stars, 2 Silver Sluggers, 1 Gold Glover, and 6 future Hall of Famers. Brutally painful to watch as a kid growing up in Marietta, GA.
even more brutal that Eric Gregg an umpire, can just destroy a game like that. I remember watching this live on TV and howling about how bad that zone was. Makes me laugh how people complain about strikes barely out of the zone and then I mention this game and they have no idea. The score card for this game would be hilarious.
The more Jim Grey interviews I see, the less I think of his ability. Good grief. When he interviewed Hernandez after the game, they had to use an interpreter. In that situation, one would think that he'd ask short questions. Nope. Long-winded questions with two or three parts every time. Not considerate of the interpreter AT ALL.
While this might have been the worst strike zone I've ever seen, check out how wide the batter's box's are?? The right handed box's inside is about the same place where the outside line should have been. That back line must have been 6 feet from the inside of the plate.
The strike zone varies from game to game shame on maddux for not taking advantage the same as a 21-year old rookie did. If you want to blame an umpire as the reason for your loss, then you’ve become a loser.
Complaining about the results of history is the very definition of being in denial which is what you sir, not I, are in fact doing. I'm merely showing a knowledge of the game and pointing out factors that led to Atlanta losing, denoting that no game can be "given" by a strikezone. Both pitchers had Gregg's wide zone advantage to put hitters away. Livan beat Maddux. Simple as that. Marlins lead Braves 2-1 in championships with about 1/7th of the postseason chances. Excuse me while I go deny stuff.
you don’t even need to watch the whole game…. just watch the last pitch, and you’ll see the huge strike zone… and it’s sad, because that was ball 4, and McGriff should have taken 1st base as the tying run.
for anyone believing that Gregg was playing favorites in this game... watch the game with only the braves pitching and see that it was equally horrible for all. Gregg should have never been allowed to call a game again ..... but he wasn't giving anyone an advantage
nah a typical strike zone back then a good accurate pitcher would get at least an inch on the corners. This was abnormal to get a foot off the plate for left handed hitters and about 3-6 inches only for right handed hitters.
I'm not seeing a fix...im seeing a very bad strike zone...I think I'm seeing a black factor...how many times did Joe Morgan say the umpire was doing a good job and a great job ? That's a problem..he's not doing a good job...Joe is praising a black umpire for calls on some pitches a very bad job...calling a strike on a pitch over 15" off the plate for both pitchers is not doing a good or great job
I mean, what Gregg did in this game was egregious, but having never seen this (dude, your page is incredible already), it wasn't Gregg's fault the Braves couldn't cash in with 1st and 3rd and NOBODY OUT in the first inning. That set the tone and reinforced the same problems Atlanta had in October going back to 1991.
Actually, it WAS Gregg's fault they couldn't cash in with 1st and 3rd and nobody out in the 1st. He called strikes on Chipper, McGriff and Klesko on pitches that were easily over a foot off the plate. It was RIDICULOUS.
@@gfcpastor Except the Greg Maddux got the SAME zone. So the Marlins hitters had the same thing to deal with. The difference was that they capitalized on their chances, and the Braves didn't.
@@pomerlain8924 You brought up the top of the 1st with runners on the corners and blamed the Braves for not scoring. I pointed out why they did not score and anyone with partially functioning vision can watch the replay and see the Braves were ripped off in that inning. The top of the 1st had nothing to do with Maddux getting the same zone.
@@samtaylor1302 I'm not talking about the first. I'm talking about the entire game. The strike zone was the same for both teams the entire game, and there were few opportunities to get runs across. The Marlins managed manufacture 2 runs and the Braves only 1, which was Tucker's solo homer to lead off the 2nd.
@@pomerlain8924 Not to mention the first of the 2 marlins runs were scored because of a 1st inning lead off hit by pitch and then a 2 out walk from Maddux (because the zone apparently wasn't wide enough)
Joe Morgan got on my nerves as a broadcaster. Very biased towards certain players and teams. My favorite moment was Harry Carey interviewing Morgan in the booth during a Cubs Reds game and concluding the interview by reminding him that he thought Morgan was good, but he’d never seen a better 2b than Ryno. Lol. The first troll courtesy of Harry! I loved it. Go Cubs!
I believe anyone would argue an ump calling strikes half a foot outside, they’re major league umps not little league, I know plenty of tbell umpires with better zones
Joe Morgan arguing with direct evidence White leaning in with his leg to get hit by the pitch that he wasn't is all you need to hear about his announcing skills
Was the strike zone God awful? Yes but the Braves lost this series because they forgot how to run the bases and play defense. The Braves should’ve won this series in 5.
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Bob Uecker: Just a bit outside.
Eric Gregg: Strike.
2 feet outside was called a strike..
It’s “Juuuuussst a bit outside!”
Bob Uecker: “Juuuuussst a bit outside!”
Eric Gregg: "Hold my beer."
32:15…Yup! Maddux got handed that strike! Bullshit! Braves got handed calls all game Lmfao! So funny you dipshit brave fans over look Maddux gifts and cry about Livan when in fact your pussy braves swung and missed on strike three like 8 times?! Unreal! Marlins were just way better that season and that’s proven by them kicking your asses in only 6 games at Turner field HAHAHAHA
There is no way that Eric Gregg was not betting on this game.
Allegedly.
I heard he fucked an Ostrich
100% this poss, was callin games. what a dirt bag
he called the same strike zone for both sides... yea he should have probably been fired after the game.. but he wasn't giving either side an advantage... he was equally horrible to all
@@Imac7065 the issue was that he called it wider for left handed batters; and the braves had 6 lefty hitters compared to 3 for miami
He probably bet on the total, not the side
That strike zone was bigger than my apartment.
Games like this built Vegas to be what it is today..you know there was a lot of money on the braves..most popular team in the 90’s vs new team with one of the best pitchers of all time in Maddox on the mound..yeah ima call rigged
This game is a good argument for an Automated Strike Zone.
Lol.
And a good argument for FBI wire tapping of umpire phones during playoffs as they get paid off by mobsters to throw a game imo.
Or ya know, fire the bad umpires plain and simple, we don’t need robots wiping our asses for us or cars driving for us, people are just fucking lazy as technology advances, your elders would be disappointed seeing you say that
@@Ryandushara I don't care about my elders who don't know how to use a cell phone and oppose progress just because "back in my day...", I also don't even think umps are necessarily lazy they just have an impossible task of making inch-perfect rulings on 100mph pitches. No reason to spend energy on something that can be done better by technology.
agreed! leave the calls on the bases to the umps. those can be appealed, but balls and strikes cannot be appealed. let the computer box call the balls and strikes. I remember this game. I wonder how much $ went into his pocket? who blackmailed him to make these ridiculous calls? pitiful.....
And how would characterize Eric Gregg’s strike zone?
If the catcher can catch it, it’s a strike.
If it was in the Miami metro area, it was a strike.
Thanks for posting! I'm trying to catalog as much as I can of Marlins history on TH-cam and your videos are a treasure.
Here I’ll help. 97. 2003. Giancarlo Stanton. And there you go
2:24...talk about an understatement.
Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot ya don’t say.
An amazing case of foreshadowing.
As the game goes on, you see the Braves left-handed hitters swinging at pitches further and further outside the strike zone because those pitches are being called strikes. That last pitch of the game summarizes the day perfectly.
I think the Braves leaving runners on 1st and 3rd in the first in i g says it all.
The strike zone was called both ways. Maddux got calls and Glavine sure did the games b4. It was a wide strike zone and Marlins were smart enough to use it! Braves left batters on base n Tucker couldnt catch a flyball in outfield. Was a great game but Marlins were just the better team! This wasnt the clinching game, Braves still had chances and couldnt do it! 14 divisions in a row and only 1 ring! They Choke every yr!
@@d-mo733 Not last year.
@@d-mo733 absolute nonsense
Well, by definition, having “only one ring” literally means they didn’t choke every year.
38:23 watch the movement on this pitch, by the best pitcher ever in my opinion.
This was a really crazy game I've never seen hitters so frustrating on both sides. I've never seen the full game thank you for posting
Bobby Cox, who would complain about anything and everything, interestingly did not criticize the strike zone after the game - saying something along the lines of "the strike zone was what it was and we didn't adjust to it." Everyone knew the Braves pitching staff got a liberal strike zone in those days and Cox was careful to not upset the apple cart.
No shit. Glavine and Maddux got more calls off the plate than anyone throughout the 90's
@@rileymurphy559not THAT far off the plate!
Everyone saying "at least he was consistent." Lol, at 1:46:36 vs 1:43:20, that argument doesn't really hold up.
Anonymous Commenter the problem was that he was consistent in a way but it still damaged the Braves more. Thing was he had a wider strike zone for left-handers than for right handers, particularly outside. The Marlins only had three left handers in their lineup-the Braves had six.
He has a "wide" zone, not a "tall" zone. The called ball CJ brought down 2 feet from where it crossed the plate. The called strike was consistent with the rest of the game it appears.
Maddux late movement on his pitches is just so incredible, wow
Yes, Maddox was so good! That pitch were ball would veer left and then back to the right was insane! I hate braves with all my heart, but I do love Pitching over hitting and low scoring pitchers duels and those three the Braves had were awesome! Florida had a good ass staff too! Brown, Leiter, Fernandez and Livan were amazingly good
Been looking for this for so long! Thank you!
LMAO. Eric Gregg had to be the worst umpire ever.
How the hell can you call that a strike. 2:02:20
Called them for the Braves too! Fair is fair after all!
32:15…6inches off plate and below the knees, Yet Braves Get handed strike calls! Bonilla hits a “strike” 2 feet off the plate and drives in a run anyway before this, so that was the difference! Marlins hitters were able to hit anything and braves couldn’t! Same strike zone the ENTIRE game! Hell, Maddux likely had more balls called strikes than Livan did and STILL got his ass beat!
Thanks for this nostalgic trip down my childhood. 👍👏. Might be in minority here but I loved MLB on NBC even as a kid
in my opinion, NBC has always had more professionalism then FOX when it comes to covering sports
The only reason FOX Sports ultimately won this battle is pretty apparent in this very broadcast: the scoreboard graphic.
NBC has no excuse frankly. They're showing you scores of that day's NFL games as often as they show you the score of THIS game.
Fox already had the constant scoreboard graphic the year before (you can see in the 96 NLCS).
Otherwise NOBODY is taking Buck and McCarver over Costas and Uecker...NOBODY.
@@joeyparkhill8751 they were bad in this game.. how they did not rip erig gregg for the work strikeout zone in history
Thank you for posting this. Despite the gigantic strike zone, this was one of the most interesting and dramatic games in LCS history. I greatly enjoyed watching it. Looking forward to what you add next.
It's absolutely pathetically obscured that MLB let this happen.
Eric Gregg should have never ump'ed a MLB game again after that game.
Greg Maddux got a ridiculous strike zone too, not that it excuses Eric Gregg's calls
At that point it's not baseball anymore
Not in the right hand batters box. That last one strikeout of Fred McGriff … would have HIT Andres Galarraga.
From what I can gather, Gregg at the time was "subtly" protesting the incoming flux of tv strike zones that were appearing at the time, he apparently was not alone in this and other umpires in the league began calling purposely egregious zones in protest, this is just the most famous example. Some, like Joe Brinkman, made their zones absolutely tiny.
Pretty sure the first ever tv strike zone was used during this series by NBC
The issue in this game was that while Gregg was rather consistent in his ridiculously wide strike zone, (which was wider than usual even for him, though he was always known to have a wide strike zone, but not like this) it was wider outside off the plate for left-handed batters than it was for right handers and the Braves had six left-handers in their lineup, vs. only 3 for the Marlins
Brinkman shrunk his zone when he went from the outside protector to the inside in 1980, then he took it to ridiculous proportions later in his career. Look at the 1998 ALDS game when he squeezed Gooden and ejected Hargrove in the first
middle of the other batter's box "right off the outside corner"
Yeah terrible broadcasters
hilarious that it starts with the commentators talking about how umpires have different strike zones
RIP (Rest In Peace) (#7/NL/Eric Gregg)
(May 18, 1951 - June 5, 2006)
and (#25/NL/Charlie Williams)
(December 20, 1943 - September 10, 2005)
Bonilla still getting paid on the Mets contract 😂
Looking forward to July 1st yet again!
I am an umpire in high school. I admit, I call strikes a tad off the plate, but not quite like that.
I still believe that this game was rigged. No way a strike zone could be this wide.I remember being a braves fan at my home being so frustrated with the strike call zone. Everybody was against the Braves in this game because of a pitcher.
New Expansion team soon to be up for sale? Team in Miami with a staring Ace who’s from Cuba who has been trying to get his family to America? Uhhhh yeah I can see how’d you’d say that
how do you explain the same strike zone against the Marlins? It was even acknowledged on sportscenter that night
You can't be serious. Greg Maddux benefited from an incredibly wide strike zone.
Somebody needed to stop this game and replaced him it's a travisty the braves win the series this year if not for Gregg rigged!!!
@@radconserv68 did you not watch the game ?
The biggest question is how did Bobby Cox not get ejected early in this game? With it being Eric Gregg, I guess he decided; what's the point?
Ive never seen a strike zone as big. This dude had big money on this game.
Well, that is a ODD accusation considering Maddux bitch ass got the EXACT SAME STRIKE ZONE, dingus! You watch only the bottom of every inning on a natural basis or just in this game?!
On BOTH teams?!? You should watch the game. Poor marlins hitters were getting all kinds of b.s calls too
2:33:55. Bob Costas. “That pitch might have been outside” understatement of the century! My Bravos got hosed! How the announcers weren’t calling out how terrible how Gregg was is beyond me
They didn’t get hosed, Maddux got same strike zone! Shut up and plus those sissies had 2 more games to make it up and couldn’t! They were toast playing a better team!
This was a good 3 man crew in the booth
Joe Morgan was terrible imo. For example, listen to him actually argue that Devon White didn’t stick his knee into the K zone on that hbp in the 1st on this game. Are you freaking kidding me? Overrated broadcaster imo.
@@JohnMegaton2062 Nah, Tim McCarver was beyond terrible as a broadcaster. At least Joe Morgan knew what he was talking about when he came prepared during his NBC years.
McCarver became even worse as the years when on and many rejoiced when he finally retired in 2014.
@@meharinationsportspodcast2582 Agreed!
@@JohnMegaton2062 Joe Morgan was one of (if not the best) best broadcasters of all time. His insight was second to none. And they way he explained it, and his timing was great.
@@AEM-le7uyMcCarver and Morgan both were of variable quality depending on who their partners were. Morgan was great in this crew-a bit less so with Jon Miller. McCarver was at his best with Al Michaels and Jim Palmer. Didn’t have that same chemistry with either of the Bucks or Sean McDonough, and then he started trying to do too much.
32:15..Look at the GIFT Maddux gets handed on that one! PROOF Livan and Maddux had wide strike zone priveledges! Livan was just the better Pitcher and the Marlins were the better team!
That's literally just one pitch. Hernandez got those calls on almost all his pitches. That one pitch proves nothing.
Yes it does..Means the STRIKE Zone is WIDE today! Marlins took advantage and Braves didnt! Alot of swing n misses too! Marlins had the better team that yr, Period! It was that teams time! Great Game, 1 of best ever!
@@zachluigi3826 "That's just one example proving me wrong" is not a viable defense dude lol
Better pitcher my arse. Maddux at 40 was still a better pitcher than Hernandez in his 20's and in 1997 no contest.
Well Dunks, He WASNT better on this day! Livan was striking out 15 of those Atlanta hobos! Maddox just wasn’t able to capitalize on the wide strike zone like Livan was! Marlins were the better team pound for pound! They went on to prove this after this game anyway! Braves had many chances to beat them and they simply couldn’t! Marlins are YOUR Champions for 1997!!
Are the people that say Gregg had money on this game only watching the top half of the inning or something? He was awful on both sides.
This series was full of braves errors and baserunning blunders, and the marlins had no fear. Despite the fact they finished 9 games behind the braves in the division, they kicked their butt head to head during the regular season.
That doesn’t alter the fact this game was ludicrously called by the umpire.
Gregg must’ve had some early dinner reservations
Gregg was scared their flight to Atlanta would land after all the good restaurants closed.
He ran up five-figure tabs at Morton's whenever he was in Chicago. He drank and drank a lot, and not the cheap stuff either. He also indulged in $200 cigars.
He was going to order the whole menu
Ok I think I’m finally ready to come back and watch this debacle after the Braves won the 2021 World Series.
2:27 rare Joe Morgan announcing W for the prophecy!
16:06 IN THE FIRST INNING and BEFORE all the called strikes, Jones swinging at a ball a mile away! So there goes the excuse! Braves were swinging outs on over half of OUR MVPs 15 Ks! So, WHY would u swing? Idiots that went 6-12 against YOUR WORLD CHAMPS!!
Oh, then McGWUFF Does the SAME THING! Livan just had a nasty breaking ball and they just couldn’t hit it! Make all excuses you want, Braves totally could not handle the Marlins! They were way too tough for them! They go 6-12 against the Marlins in 97…OUCH!
Eric's extreme enthusiasm on those strike calls, ESPECIALLY against The Braves, to me, showed he either wanted the game over or wanted any Braves hitter to say anything to him about it.
Not gonna lie, the ump with his strike zone and no nonsense personality sure made this game fun.
10:20 Nothing like a packed house for an NLCS game.
They didn't sell any of those seats and kept them tarped over to avoid the appearance of empty seats in playoff games. But they opened them all up in the 2003 playoffs and the team sold out every postseason game, 65,000+ for all three rounds. They should have done the same here.
Over 50K there U moron! What an idiot. Yanks can’t even do that Lmfao
How come 1:49:43 isn't interference, but if a defender is in the way of a runner, it is?
It's not an obstruction if the fielder has the ball. So when he catches the ball, he's presence in the running lane becomes legal.
How did Cox avoid getting ejected
There was a reason Gregg wasnt asked to come back after the umpire strike. He is Angel Hernandez's hero
Eric Gregg was a terrible umpire.
This was the best Braves team of the entire 1990's. The Braves won over 100 games that season, Chipper had over 100 RBIs, Neagle won over 20 games as a starter and they could not solve a team of mercs on the Florida Marlins. That 1997 Braves team had 8 All-Stars, 2 Silver Sluggers, 1 Gold Glover, and 6 future Hall of Famers. Brutally painful to watch as a kid growing up in Marietta, GA.
even more brutal that Eric Gregg an umpire, can just destroy a game like that. I remember watching this live on TV and howling about how bad that zone was. Makes me laugh how people complain about strikes barely out of the zone and then I mention this game and they have no idea. The score card for this game would be hilarious.
1998 was even better team
FUN FACT: Questec was invented because of this game!
Questec already existed during this game
Kenny Lofton MR Playoffs! One of My Favor player From all time.
Eric Gregg was consistent consistently bad
The more Jim Grey interviews I see, the less I think of his ability. Good grief. When he interviewed Hernandez after the game, they had to use an interpreter. In that situation, one would think that he'd ask short questions. Nope. Long-winded questions with two or three parts every time. Not considerate of the interpreter AT ALL.
“I LUH YOU MIAMI!”
+YotesFan1980 Yeah Jim Grey was a jerk, he absolutely wrecked Pete Rose's appearance at the 2000 All-Star game.
man you're right. Why did he keep asking private questions
He's a jerk sure but he didn't write those questions himself hahah
While this might have been the worst strike zone I've ever seen, check out how wide the batter's box's are?? The right handed box's inside is about the same place where the outside line should have been. That back line must have been 6 feet from the inside of the plate.
Imagine if kzone were in effect for this game..
Hernandez ends the day with 15 bb instead of 15 k and Atlanta wins 12-2
Do you have game 6 of this series?
Was Eric Gregg drunk for This Game 5?
No he just wanted to be a hot dog and aim the spotlight at himself in a nationally televised postseason game.
The UMPS did the Crime Dog dirty. This would be Fred's last season with the Braves and his last trip to the post season.
Rumor has it that there was an all you can eat buffet opening early that night
where's Game 6? Thanks.
I do not take requests for games. You guys will get what you get.
Home plate umpire gave the marlins the game.
The strike zone varies from game to game shame on maddux for not taking advantage the same as a 21-year old rookie did. If you want to blame an umpire as the reason for your loss, then you’ve become a loser.
Adrian Selbst You’re in denial.
Complaining about the results of history is the very definition of being in denial which is what you sir, not I, are in fact doing. I'm merely showing a knowledge of the game and pointing out factors that led to Atlanta losing, denoting that no game can be "given" by a strikezone. Both pitchers had Gregg's wide zone advantage to put hitters away. Livan beat Maddux. Simple as that.
Marlins lead Braves 2-1 in championships with about 1/7th of the postseason chances. Excuse me while I go deny stuff.
Adrian Selbst eric gregg gave this game to the marlins. Stay in denial.
@@josecarranza7555 Stay in the breeding pool. Good day.
cannot believe the Braves did not play this game under protest. I'd have rather seen them forfeit than let Erig Gregg end their season for them.
Wow! I thought Angel Hernandez was the best of the worst.
The whining never stops.
I forgot just how much I hated listening to Joe Morgan. I still think he's the greatest 2B in history thus proving genius does not travel well.
Costas: on the outside corner…when the ball is a foot outside. I blame the announcers for not calling out Gregg for this debacle
This Game was a joke with that stike zone
joe morgan really said eric gregg was doing a great job
Joe Morgan's brain needs to be checked for CTE.
you don’t even need to watch the whole game…. just watch the last pitch, and you’ll see the huge strike zone… and it’s sad, because that was ball 4, and McGriff should have taken 1st base as the tying run.
for anyone believing that Gregg was playing favorites in this game... watch the game with only the braves pitching and see that it was equally horrible for all. Gregg should have never been allowed to call a game again ..... but he wasn't giving anyone an advantage
Typical strike zone for a Braves game. Sucks when it goes for the other team huh
nah a typical strike zone back then a good accurate pitcher would get at least an inch on the corners. This was abnormal to get a foot off the plate for left handed hitters and about 3-6 inches only for right handed hitters.
@@Littlewing1977 an inch!?
I've seen better umpires in a local 50 and over men's league.. this is criminal.
I'm not seeing a fix...im seeing a very bad strike zone...I think I'm seeing a black factor...how many times did Joe Morgan say the umpire was doing a good job and a great job ? That's a problem..he's not doing a good job...Joe is praising a black umpire for calls on some pitches a very bad job...calling a strike on a pitch over 15" off the plate for both pitchers is not doing a good or great job
Strike zone aside Livian Hermandez actually made some good pitches
Watching this just makes you sick to your stomach
pitching was simpler back then. down and away all day, nothing else
I mean, what Gregg did in this game was egregious, but having never seen this (dude, your page is incredible already), it wasn't Gregg's fault the Braves couldn't cash in with 1st and 3rd and NOBODY OUT in the first inning. That set the tone and reinforced the same problems Atlanta had in October going back to 1991.
Actually, it WAS Gregg's fault they couldn't cash in with 1st and 3rd and nobody out in the 1st. He called strikes on Chipper, McGriff and Klesko on pitches that were easily over a foot off the plate. It was RIDICULOUS.
@@gfcpastor Except the Greg Maddux got the SAME zone. So the Marlins hitters had the same thing to deal with. The difference was that they capitalized on their chances, and the Braves didn't.
@@pomerlain8924 You brought up the top of the 1st with runners on the corners and blamed the Braves for not scoring. I pointed out why they did not score and anyone with partially functioning vision can watch the replay and see the Braves were ripped off in that inning. The top of the 1st had nothing to do with Maddux getting the same zone.
@@samtaylor1302 I'm not talking about the first. I'm talking about the entire game. The strike zone was the same for both teams the entire game, and there were few opportunities to get runs across. The Marlins managed manufacture 2 runs and the Braves only 1, which was Tucker's solo homer to lead off the 2nd.
How exactly can you cash in when you have to swing at balls s foot outside to protect? Come on man.
Well, Eric Greg, sure pitched a good game
I can't stop watching this game. By far, this made me dislike Livan Hernandez more than Eric Gregg.
32:12 stop complaining
@@adrianselbst6777 Exactly. The zone was big for both pitchers. The Marlins just were able to manufacture one more run than the Braves could.
@@pomerlain8924 Not to mention the first of the 2 marlins runs were scored because of a 1st inning lead off hit by pitch and then a 2 out walk from Maddux (because the zone apparently wasn't wide enough)
Eric Gregg bet on the under
Eric Gregg was probably legally blind. How else to rationalize all those awful strike calls. Worst mlb umpire Ever.
All the people on the comments trying to frame Gregg's calls as affecting both sides equally need to go work at fox news 🤣🤡🤡
R.I.P. Mr Gregg🙏
Maybe he was a good guy but he was an atrocious umpire.
@@DNSKansas dude was an alcoholic piece of shit, he wasn’t a good guy
Rip bozo
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Hi, this is gonna sound weird but I'm very interested in just regular season games, nothing special! So if you've got them
Someone got paid. #JS
MLB Bubble pitcher maddux
You are gifted a MLB umpire position, get to ump in the post season, and this is how you repay the sport?
Joe Morgan got on my nerves as a broadcaster. Very biased towards certain players and teams.
My favorite moment was Harry Carey interviewing Morgan in the booth during a Cubs Reds game and concluding the interview by reminding him that he thought Morgan was good, but he’d never seen a better 2b than Ryno. Lol. The first troll courtesy of Harry! I loved it. Go Cubs!
1:20:15 is funny
eric gregg.. did not call an equal game
32:12. Good say sir.
"Corner" lol
embarassing commentary
keith lockhart lookin like michael rappaport🤣🤣🤣
You can argue that Strike Zone all you want... umps would not let ATL sit and stare at pitches all day
I believe anyone would argue an ump calling strikes half a foot outside, they’re major league umps not little league, I know plenty of tbell umpires with better zones
Maddux strike zone. Cheating
Joe Morgan arguing with direct evidence White leaning in with his leg to get hit by the pitch that he wasn't is all you need to hear about his announcing skills
Timestamp?
@@anonymouscommenter7689 22:35
Was the strike zone God awful? Yes but the Braves lost this series because they forgot how to run the bases and play defense. The Braves should’ve won this series in 5.
At least Eric Gregg is dead now and pushing up daisies and those players are still alive so that means they win after all.
Dude died early at 55 and daulton and other players on the field are indeed passed too. Bad form, old man.
Rigged.
PBP: Bob Costas