HAHAHHAHA "no-one else, not even Proton can read them". My account was literally blocked and locked because my email had a few words in them they didn't approve of. I was trying to sell a LEGITIMATE cyber security service to a company but their algorithm detected it as something else. No appeal, no nothing. I argued with them about it and showed them exactly what I did. Then they tried telling my I broke their TOS. I went over each of their TOS statements and showed them that I did no such thing, not even close to it! I was fully within my rights and did nothing wrong. They didn't care. Not one bit. Tell me, Crumb, or anyone else, how can "NOT EVEN PROTON" shut down my account over some words in an email I sent ... if they can't read them? ARE YOU HONESTLY STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT?? :D PROTON IS A SCAM. PROTONMAIL IS A SCAM! THEY CAN AND DO READ YOUR EMAILS! THEY EVEN ANALYZE THEM! THEY DO EVERYTHING THEY PRETEND NOT TO DO! YOU ARE NOT SAFE NOR SECURE USING PROTONMAIL!!!!
47:49 This is VERY wrong. It's very easy in the same ISP to get the same IP, same for using the same VPN provider if you are using the same VPN exit node They would have to prove it belonged to him with SPECIFIC timestamps. Otherwise he is totally right here
The way they caught Julius after he didnt show up to his court hearings is hilarious too. As usual, he couldnt resist posting on social media and in one of the pictures there was a champagne bottle so rare that the police traced who and where bought it and it lead straight to and AirBnb apartment in central Helsinki :D :D
Rather suspicious they "were called about domestic violence" (something they don't need a warrant to enter the house for, and if the complainant isn't there they have to enter the house) The police used to "hear a woman screaming" or other exigent circumstances that allow warrantless entry before body cams started being a thing.. Now they just need to send in a CI (confidential informant.. aka a person they pay to do things for them, usually a drug addict). So imagine, they send in a CI, telling her (or him) to flirt with said person, get into the house, call in a bogus DV claim (domestic violence) and then leave right away before the cops show up so that they don't have to be scrutinized regarding "Yeah but the claimant is a paid CI" This case screams fishy to me.
The more I think about it.. he's a "hacker", so if the police "hacked him back" with a social engineering attack.. I'm actually fine with it 😂 "Live by the sword, die by the sword" Or "If you play in the dirt, you get ditty."
@@jonslg240 He was very open about his carrier and most likely he was telling this women that made this call who he is. Paid girlls are often informing police to have some special privilages with them and it is a thing all over the world and also nothing new. The guy wanted to be stoped by the police for a very long time, for what ever reason -> propably because there was noone to stop someone from doing something that he did not likes when he was young.
I was listening to this audio only and I just froze and started laughing, HOW??? You’re absolutely right, I would have totally considered that unrealistic writing
@@Slush_ A simple momentary jell when he was basically hacking everything, constantly zipping up and transporting encrypted files for years on end. It demonstrates, if anything, hacking is pretty low lying fruit given everyone makes mistakes including the hackers themselves.
The problem is that it usually is lazy writing, as it seems so out there no one tends to believe it... didn't really think of his uploading his home folder in terms of making a movie though, and gave me a kek lol
If not him, then someone else. There are real sophisticated hacks, but this was not one of them but pure negligence from the company. Probably a lot of others, including state actors, got there too just by accident. But of course they would not extort the victims for the lulz but rather use it in more effective ways.
Yeah I'm finnish too and honestly in all of this I'm constantly thinking "why are we not doing more". Like honestly the Finnish court system can be a total joke, and you can see criminals taking advantage of it. like the sadiatic murder of a 16 year old boy, and all the murderers get 3 years in prison because they're underage
@@HoneyDoll894 it’s a fine line. On the other end is our system and the other end has the US system. Neither is perfect but ours is MILES better than the US system atleast.
@@HoneyDoll894It is indeed a joke. I think one HUGE problem is frauds that are done to common people. You can commit hundreds of individual frauds(such as selling something that doesnt exist)and you rarely get jailtime and the victims almost never get their money back because these perps do not work, they get sentenced and just get back to committing frauds. The exception is tax frauds, if you commit that then it's a serious crime(who cares about the common people, I guess).😂
Yeah, have not heard anything about his history in Finnish media. And that's for a reason, the police were literally allowing him to do this shit so obviously they're not posting that. They knew what he was doing and did nothing for a long time...😊
Could have mentioned that Tapio sold Vastaamo (or to be exact 71% of shares, leaving him and his mother with 29%) between the hack taking place and the company making a public statement that they had had a security breach. That's why he got fired from the CEO position, the new owners weren't too happy about him neglecting to mention that there had been a security breach that threatened the entire company.
Well, Tapio maintains that he was unaware of the fact and there's an ongoing court case regarding the matter, so it's all "alleged" for now. Tapio's background is in programming and online commerce and he was the one responsible for the "online" part of "online counselling" when the company was starting out, so I have my hunches. But yeah, Kivimäki isn't the only interesting character in this story. @@Crumb
I think it would have been worth mentioning that apparently multiple people that got their data leaked in the hack ended up quitting from life (Stupid youtube censorship). They held a silent moment in the court for those. We do not know the scale of damage that the publication of the tens of thousands of personal record has caused.
@@DJRobotPanther you don’t just hack someone’s machine. A zero click exploit is worth multi millions, which is what is required to hack someone’s computer without them downloading any malicious files. This is usual vinnie omari bullshit, he’s been a yapper since early 2010’s.
I’m from Finland. The judicial system is really strange here; if you tax evade it’s straight to prison, but Julius got basically nothing as a teenager for all the cybercrimes he did
Because most of the "crimes" aren't really crimes Trying not to make a wall of text, but the laws most countries have are stupid when they relate to the Internet There are countries that consider clicking Ctrl+U is "hacking a website". Owning a botnet also isn't a crime per se, arguably all the Big Tech companies do it too
Do you notice how anytime they outsmart someone, they call them stupid? I never got that! If you outsmart someone who is stupid, there is no challenge and it doesn't prove that you're smart. Instead, why not exclaim, "I'm bloody brilliant!"
Calling other people stupid is a narcissistic tendency to excuse one's own behaviour. I punished them for being stupid, it's their own fault. Heck, I'm even helping by teaching them a valuable lesson.
@@robertdegroot8302 From everything Kivimäki did, I would guess he is a psychopath instead but combination of narcissistic and psychopathic disorder is obviously an option.
just a note about proton mail. they literally gave up the information of a French journalist when a government agency asked. they WILL give your shit up. their E2E encryption also isn't for emails in general, it's for other proton emails.
Proton is a way to not have all your shit sniffed by the big US tech companies instantly, but mail without your own encryption scheme on top has to be treated as a post card.
These guys are so right. If it isnt within the same network / email tool, it cannot be done by them. At that point, it needs to be done, then sent and then decrypted. So that can be done with any provider, subject to size limits of course.
Proton isn't for organizing your dark web schemes or staging a revolution. It's a way to have a free email with a good web client that isn't aggressively datamined by a corporation like Google.
Honestly there's a lot of these kinds of kids running around in communities today, doing the same sorts of horrible shit to people and then getting slaps on the wrist due to being minors. It's pretty crazy what they can get away with for so long.
To avoid a prison industry you allowed your society to become lawless... Of course long sentences help. It's kind of hard to commit crimes when you're behind bars. The longer the criminal is behind bars the less crimes they can commit. @@possu1984
Uh oh you burned down a whole neighborhood where a guy llived who said something about your mom try not to do that again that's like the type of bs, kids aren't being disciplined bc it's illegal to do so I don't mean like abuse, that's just as bad
No offense to Vinnie, but saying he was generous, because he didn't take every penny someone had but came up with a number he thought was "fair" to blackmail them for, Jesus Christ, that's not generosity... Give me a break, man.
He's saying compared to the company's worth at the time, it was an insignificant amount. Not an amount that they would be financially incapable of bouncing back from. Generosity is the wrong word, but that's what he was getting at. Given that most ransomware incursions initially asked for some pretty crazy figures when they hit successful companies.
@@Si74l0rd Don't be ridiculous. He's a mugger bragging that he left the person a dollar for the bus. And it wasn't an insignificant amount, it bankrupted the company.
so many things wrong with that - 200 euros is quite a lot for a lot of people, but especially students - finland has public healthcare - prices for therapy vary wildly depending on a number of factors, being as little as 20 dollars in some places. the only reason you have to think one session costs the same is if you googled "average price of therapy session" but didn't do the math to realize you shouldn't be looking at US statistics on a Finnish crime haha - even if it was the US, stats show the majority of people cannot afford a 500 USD utility bill out of the blue, so I doubt they would find 200 reasonable either 7.1/10. thanks for the laugh - stay stupid @@valkoroska2369
i was literally just commenting on that but it deleted my message also like, the average is only 200 in the US hahahahah and even if it were the US, most people cannot comfortably afford 200 either, as most people statistically don't have $500 in spare emergency funds @@0nMi
@@0nMi im finnish. i know what im talking about lol. yes its true finland has public but it doesnt close off the possibility of private healthcare either. WHICH vastaamo is. goddamn i hate how people try to ratio when they obviously dunning-krueger themselves
i might be drinking myself into a dunning krueger situation but at least i’m not sober playing devil’s advocate for a hacker preying on the weak lmfao stay angry
I have long thought that griefing and "trolling" is quite often linked to psychopathy and sociopathy. Basically people who either take advantage of people with no remorse, or just enjoy making others miserable even if it costs them selves something to do that. A lot of games also unintentionally encourage that kind of behaviors as well.
@@cosmo9208Just say you can't take players the same level as you and leave, lmao. I've run into countless people like yourself, it's ALWAYS the same. You're embarassing yourself. Many of those players are children, adding an entirely new dimension of pathetic and sad. Even as a 13 y/o playing WoW pvp servers, I thought it was a cringe thing to do, lol. Once I was level 50, I assumed that was my "time" to grief other players - only to find it to be a joyless endeavor. Call me "unfun", but crushing other people who have the same advantages as you because you're a better player than them is what's fun. Genuinely wrong with you if you spend hours of your day just trying to make someone miserable when they merely want to have fun as well. Some dudes will do anything aside from going to therapy. 😂
@@DeaDiabola Sometimes I grief on players on the same level as me. But it's less fun. And as I said, griefing on very high level players is fun as well. They get so angry.
It's really interesting, I'd like to comment on that thought. The fun that people get from trolling or griefing is sadistic thrill: a rush of adrenaline and a sense of power. But any teasing or pranking (against an unwilling person) works like that. What decides whether we normalise that thrill or not is how much damage is caused. For example, both burning down a Minecraft server and ding-dong-ditching provide that thrill, but one is judged to be malicious and one just "silly". The difference is how much we feel that empathy for the victim should dwarf the pleasure of that thrill (in the same way that you might kill a fly for money, but not kill a person). The idea that trolling, pranking, etc. is fun in a mischievous way is not what's mysterious, it *is* fun, but there's an invisible line between the victim being inconvenienced and tortured, and when that line is crossed (wherever we perceive it individually) we get red flags that the person doing it lacks empathy: we see a monster. And, the further along it is crossed, the more chances we do have to be dealing with psychopathy. I'm curious, in what ways do you think games encourage that?
@@sitemap.x Yep that's the only saving grace until this point in the video. He had his hands on some incredibly personal data and unlike some others the ransom was actually "reasonable". I mean 200 bucks so your personal medical information and psychic treatment isn't leaked? That's worth so much in personal/mental damage prevention alone. And even the 450k was a lot but reasonable if you look at their revenue and the reputation damage and fines that would be the result of that. Still scummy but at least he gave the victims a reasonable way out unlike hackers demanding 4k+ from a person to decrypt their computer or sth like that
@@sitemap.xthat’s still the exact opposite of generous scumbag was extorting the company for monetary gain doesn’t matter if it was affordable it was still a shitbag move
@@sitemap.x Yes, but the act in itself is incorrigible. Julius' actions are not justifiable in any scope, and if anyone says they are it really says something about their character.
BRO, STOP BEING JEALOUS. WHAT DID YOU ACHIEVE IN YOUR LIFE? 😂 For all he cares, he’s still untouchable. He will not receive any harsh sentence. Consider it a bad luck experience, he will get out of prison still having his money and will continue his business.
@@anthonymcevans8191 what did *you* achieve in your life? also, why are you meat-riding a psycho who doesn't know you; and if he did, would gladly extort you and try to ruin your life? lol
Man, as an old frequenter (and moderator) of HF back in the day, there just for random chatting and passive learning, it's wild seeing all these old names of users I've interacted with before popping up in your videos.
Do people still use HF? The site is there, but my country, most VPNs and free proxies are banned so I cannot access it. I am a Pakistani and they blocked Pakistan for almost the entirety of their existence online as a site.
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people wrongly overestimate their knowledge or ability in a specific area. This tends to occur because a lack of self-awareness prevents them from accurately assessing their own skills.
Today (March 9th), I looked up some news, and they will sentence him on 30th April. Until then they will keep him in custody (the only logical way to do it) Edit. It’s April 30th and he was sentenced to 6 years and 7 months of prison (or jail, idk the difference)
If I had a nickel for every time a runescape content creator I follow pivoted to more general video essays and found a ton of success, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice. I love both you and Joon the King, and I'm glad you've gained the recognition you deserve.
I say this as an autistic git: Intelligence is not linear. You can be absolutely brilliant in one field and a master of it, yet be absolutely clueless and a Mr. Bean-level doofus in another. And just as well, make dumb mistakes because the possibility of making mistakes doesn't even cross your mind. To quote Desk of Death Battle: *"See, being clever doesn't disqualify you from being an idiot. It's possible to be both."*
Not only he looked a little too Scandinavian for an average Romanian, but also when you are a hacker do you really want to have a fake identity card that says you are from "Hackerland"?
It's just another example of his mental state. He's doing all that for LOLs only. When you're doing all the crimes for LOLs, wouldn't it be fun to have a fake identity card that says Hackerland and still not get caught for using it?
@@MikkoRantalainen Nice, but I think the real reason is far less romantic. I just checked my ID card (I'm Romanian by the way) and here's what I noticed: one side is complettely blank and the other side contains far less security elements than any other European card. So I guess the Romanian ID card was just the cheapest to forge...
YT literally censors suggesting the proper sentence. All this one does is send a message to all other similar criminals that they are in no real danger from Law Enforcement. Catch & Release tier idiocy.
He's the equivalent of Joey from Hackers.. rookie mistakes all the way but trying to prove himself doing big hacks.. the hard part isn't breaking in, it's not leaving tracks.
To be honest I hope they will never make a documentary/tv show. It's just too painfull as a victim to relive the thinking prosess and it would just be a reminder:" hey you are forever fucked by this idiots narsistic psychopath behavior".
Yeah, this is the sickness of the Finnish justice system. Finland is the promised land of slaps on the wrist with it's naive obsession with suspended sentences for almost any kind of crimes...pathetic and sad
He'll be on the streets after 3 years but if he does anything criminal after that, he'll go directly to prison for the rest of the sentence (6 years and 3 months) no questions asked. And the new crimes will add extra prison time, too.
Another day, another fantastic Crumb hacker documentary. Your quality and pacing improves every single video, keep up the great work! Excited to see what's next.
5:40 "Bitcoin in some cases, I'd rather not be paid in imaginary money" Bitcoins price when he posted that was only $12.50 per coin, now its $61,000 + per coin LMFAOO
yeah but at the time it was one of the first crypto currencys out there no one knew shit about it or if it would reach any type of mainstream adoption like it has why risk your money on something new and unpredictable. Now of course it seems stupid to not accept bitcoin but its just hindsight bias imo at the time that was probably the smartest choice if you had no idea about what btc would grow into
Yeah, weird thing here in Finland you don't get the same sentence multiple times for repeated offence. As a Finn, I don't understand the logic but this same problem happens with other crimes, too. Basically when you do multiple crimes, you only sit in prison for the biggest *single* thing you did and you logically sit all the other crimes in parallel! So if you get 7 years for extorting mental health patients, it doesn't matter if you extorted 1 or 20000 people.
@@MikkoRantalainenStacking up sentences also come with downsides. Like in US, where sentences do stack, people have been sentenced to like over 100 years in prison for like robberies and selling drugs because of the stacking laws. Which to me seems excessive. Especially since max for murder is like 25 years.
@@jokuvaan5175 Do you think there should be different sentence if you kill 25 instead of a single person? The same issue with robberies. If you don't stack sentences, every robbery is practically risk free after you have done one robbery. That's not exactly the best incentive to avoid breaking law more.
@@MikkoRantalainen No but I saying that in some cases the stacking law results in stupidly long sentences. So there should be some kind of middle ground
his "friend" is hilarious, thinking 7 years of no freedom and internet wouldn't completely cripple this guy because he would "not care and just entertain himself in his own mind" is so cute.
If you think he's going to actually serve all those 7 years you clearly don't know the Finnish justice system well enough. 3 years max, after which he'll be back to his old shenanigans. Here the only crime you get serious punishment for is tax evasion.
That Vinnie saying "Bro" every two seconds is the real crime. I'm english and this is the worst thing thats ever happened to our nation. Worse than the Luftwaffe
That lizard squad game server attack was even worse being that at that time it was the releases of the newest Gen consoles and everyone was getting them for Xmas or around that time period and couldnt even play.
@@delfosse.design tbh that was my favourite Christmas, sure I couldn't play my shit but tuning in to hear two squads beefing about "activism" on drama alert when I wasn't spending time with the family is a core memory.
And as bad as that was, it was merely a mild warning sign compared to what came next, i.e. the mass extortion of psychiatric patients. Wonder how many he drove into suicide for a buck. This guy is a total psycho, murders folks for the troll. World will be much safer with him behind bars. Just trolling bro, don't worry about it!
The fact that he didn't got jailed way sooner, and didn't got jailed for life, is just baffling to me. Great work governments, must be so proud of yourselves, allowing such toxic filth of a person to roam free and ruin people's lives, leading to numerous tragedies. Just how many lives did he ruin with his actions? ...And then laughed at it on social media. Disgusting.
Life sentence for hacking? Only in countries with two-tier justice system, ridiculously long prison sentences without rehabilitation, plea bargaining and bail bonding... Nordic countries have the lowest recidivism rates in the world because we have a humanely treated prisoners and prison rehabilitation and we don't practice any of those two-tier evils I mentioned. Fun fact: Julius the hacker gets out of prison after serving 3 years, possibly even earlier. My bet is after serving 2 y 9 months.
Making a video that's related to Finland in any way is a proper TH-cam algorithm hack because that will be recommended to everyone in Finland and then you basically get all of Finlands TH-cam users to watch the video because if Finland is mentioned you have to watch it if you're Finnish
I remember both Vinnie and Julius from HF back in 2014-ish. These guys aren't hackers. They're turists that likes to be around and take part in the credits. Julius has no tech skills, he's just a carder, ddos'er and extorter.
Well fuckin' DUH. I dont know a single highcaliber hacker who would steal CC info. Of course I dont know Russian/Indian hackers, but for the most part the best arent motivated by money.
@@cannaroe1213 Everything starts with money and after that they do it for publicity and for the sake of hacking. There is no "the best only do this" -category.
@@terrycrews1584 Dunno man. Money doesn't make you a better hacker. It can only light a fire under your ass. Can't make you smarter, more knowledgeable.
@@terrycrews1584 the only thing the best do that the amateurs doesn’t is not being caught. That’s the only distinction. You do have hacktivists, but my guess is, the most skilled black hatters still goes for the money.
That's what prisons look like there, not the jails. Also, what he most likely complained about was isolation which is standard in Sweden and probably in Finland too. You get to read books, that's it. And you cannot talk to anybody or receive visits or calls.
@@timosalo5003 Blue eyes (not necessarily especially striking) are far more common than green eyes. I think brown eyes are more common than green eyes too.
@@seneca983 As far as I know, green eyes are more prevalent in Finland than in many other places. Mine are green with a brown inner ring, a pretty run-of-the-mill thing here. Gray eyes with no discernible blue or green hues are also common, although not nearly as prevalent as in Russia AFAIK.
It's honestly hilarious hearing Vinny talk about others doing things "for the rush" when he's still around to this day attempting to scrounge up any little "fame" or "recognition" he has left to scam people with shit like terrible NFT projects and other stupid ideas.
I don't think he will be in prison even 7 years. There are all kinds of reductions for prison sentences in Finland. In cases like this where the person has done great amount of harm and will probably continue their criminal career, it feels like a bad joke.
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The evian bottle was a water facial spray, basically just water over your head when it's hot, idk if there's like some additional contents more than water
On Finnish social media, some people were cheering for this guy for his smarts and for resisting the police. Though I wonder if those were just bot accounts, because I can't see how anyone would admire someone who blackmails people with their medical records. Note that some of the people who were being blackmailed, suffered further depression or even committed suicide. And since some of the victims were suffering from severe issues like terminal cancer, this meant that for the last months of their life, they were being trolled and blackmailed by Julius when they should have been spending time with their loved ones and coming to terms with certain or near certain death from cancer.
this drove me absolutely mad. i checked this guys other videos and he clearly does research and knows some stuff, but in all my life reading phrack and all the other scene zines back in the day + physical zines like 2600/Blacklisted 411. now i actually do design work on ttrpg zines... ive never in my life have heard it pronounced that way.
This video is more detailed than anything I have read about this case here in Finland. I cant believe you managed to get so much information when most of the evidence is in Finnish. Great job!
This is what happens when you have this mindset of "I am going to put down other people because I think it's funny" and don't ever get an actual hobby, when your whole life is just based around malicious activity you eventually just spiral out of control and ultimately you end up as a criminal or just disliked by everybody. Truly a sad kind of person
You might have watched a different video. The dude was competent and traveling on his own since he was 13. He clearly had a lot of hobbies aside trolling
@@user-xl5kd6il6c I wouldn't call doxing yourself and leaving massive evidence of your illegal activities "competent". The dude is just a dumb sociopath with a false sense of confidence. Classic case of Dunning Kreuger.
This guy also tried to escape while on trial. He got caught when he posted image of champagne bottle. Police managed to get enough info from the image to arrest him few hours later. This guy just doesn't learn :D
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"Where are the parents"? As a 40 year old who was in trouble w the feds at age 16, and had been "blackhat" hacking since the mid 90s, let me quote my step father (RIP): "We always knew where your body was, but never where your mind was." They knew i was home, but could have no idea the criminal activity i could be up to from my bedroom.
@dotnet9830 you're missing the context of the comment I'm replying to. It was in reference to OP asking where are the parents in these hacking scenarios when teen kids are involved.
"ruined christmas" is such an overstatement, describing them that way gives them so much importance lol, I was gaming around then, didn't give a shit the network was down, blond guy is 100% right, is someones christmas is ruined because of that, they're sad and pathetic
its crazy the MAXIMUM is only seven years. I understand and support how the Nordic countries do their prison systems in regards to how they try to rehabilitate people.. but people like julius? theirs no rehabilitating to do.
He got 6 years and 3 months prison time. Over 30 000 crimes in total. Spends his time in Vantaa prison, let's see if he ever makes it out. He can still argue the sentence in higher court.
I loved messing around with trolls on Minecraft who thought they were ruining my day at first. The funniest part is I would only hop on private/public free online hosted servers when I was messing around on a world with my friends and family and anything I actually cared about was saved for local hosting. So whenever someone hopped into the online server worlds we really wouldn't mind but we kept track of them in case they did start griefing. And if when we spot them attempting to trash the world we acted like we cared at first just to get them hooked, then anything we said after that would seem like lies of acting like we didn't care making them assume we were trying reverse psychology (but it was just the truth at that point) so they would stay longer cause the sunk cost fallacy. Then we would have the time of our lives doing our best to waste their time by trapping them at spawn which they always thought people cared about (we always set up base at least over 1000 blocks away online so it really didn't matter at all to us), we had commands so we could have blacklisted them at any time, but it was so fun wasting their time (and it is not like we had anything better to do at the time ourselves) and in the end, they would eventually realize we truly didn't care about the griefing, especially at spawn, cause we would always end up doing more damage to the area than the trolls and when we got bored of messing with them we would point this out to them along with how much fun we had wasting their time, and they would finally realize we made a fool of them. Those were the days.
The combination root:root might be acceptable for a dedicated system where the database only listens for localhost connections and the other part of the system talking to that localhost port is the gatekeeper for the actual data transmissions (e.g. some kind of pooling system such as MaxScale of MariaDB). However, if the maintainer of that system messes up and puts the raw database to publicly accessible port, all hell will brake lose, as was demonstrated in Vastaamo case. This is no different from some maintainers leaving ports open and using a firewall to prevent attacks and if the firewall ever fails for any reason, all the data is free to leak to public internet.
Why would you use a Romanian ID card? It's one of, if not the most secured ID card in Europe. There's so many security measures built into it it's ridiculous.
According to him the Romanian ID was not fake as far as he knows. He paid some legit company to get him a legit Romanian ID. Of course we don’t know if that’s true or not but it would we a weird lie as he had other obviously fake ID’s.
@@dupashi99 It can't be real. It's pretty hard to get a Romanian citizenship and there's no dual citizenship. Unless he lived for 8 years and had an exam or was married to a Romanian for 5 years he can't get one. It's hard enough for a Romanian to get a new ID.
@@Liminal.Headspace I think the proper expression would be "it's designed to be pretty hard to get a Romanian citizenship". I would assume Kivimäki got an actual ID card via extortion or bribing some government official. This fake ID should definitely be investigated more.
He probably cross european borders with it many times, so I don't think it's that secured. And I dont think there are a lot of UK and Germany IDs on a black market. Sam Bankman Fried also got romanian ID if I'm not mistaken. And Andrew Tate was running his shit in Romania. Sketchy individuals use Romania as safe harbor for some reason.
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I actually served in the finnish military in the same unit as his brother. When I first heard his name and saw him, I thought he was Julius and he had been released from prison to go to the army 🤣 Which would have been weird, since his brother ended up working with computers with some quite confidential systems in them.
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HAHAHHAHA "no-one else, not even Proton can read them". My account was literally blocked and locked because my email had a few words in them they didn't approve of. I was trying to sell a LEGITIMATE cyber security service to a company but their algorithm detected it as something else. No appeal, no nothing. I argued with them about it and showed them exactly what I did. Then they tried telling my I broke their TOS. I went over each of their TOS statements and showed them that I did no such thing, not even close to it! I was fully within my rights and did nothing wrong. They didn't care. Not one bit. Tell me, Crumb, or anyone else, how can "NOT EVEN PROTON" shut down my account over some words in an email I sent ... if they can't read them? ARE YOU HONESTLY STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT?? :D PROTON IS A SCAM. PROTONMAIL IS A SCAM! THEY CAN AND DO READ YOUR EMAILS! THEY EVEN ANALYZE THEM! THEY DO EVERYTHING THEY PRETEND NOT TO DO! YOU ARE NOT SAFE NOR SECURE USING PROTONMAIL!!!!
47:49 This is VERY wrong. It's very easy in the same ISP to get the same IP, same for using the same VPN provider if you are using the same VPN exit node
They would have to prove it belonged to him with SPECIFIC timestamps. Otherwise he is totally right here
The way they caught Julius after he didnt show up to his court hearings is hilarious too. As usual, he couldnt resist posting on social media and in one of the pictures there was a champagne bottle so rare that the police traced who and where bought it and it lead straight to and AirBnb apartment in central Helsinki :D :D
Rather suspicious they "were called about domestic violence" (something they don't need a warrant to enter the house for, and if the complainant isn't there they have to enter the house)
The police used to "hear a woman screaming" or other exigent circumstances that allow warrantless entry before body cams started being a thing..
Now they just need to send in a CI (confidential informant.. aka a person they pay to do things for them, usually a drug addict).
So imagine, they send in a CI, telling her (or him) to flirt with said person, get into the house, call in a bogus DV claim (domestic violence) and then leave right away before the cops show up so that they don't have to be scrutinized regarding "Yeah but the claimant is a paid CI"
This case screams fishy to me.
The more I think about it.. he's a "hacker", so if the police "hacked him back" with a social engineering attack.. I'm actually fine with it 😂
"Live by the sword, die by the sword"
Or "If you play in the dirt, you get ditty."
@@jonslg240 They had an international arrest warrant for him, so what's the point? It's not like he was hiding in his house 24/7 either.
@@jonslg240 He was very open about his carrier and most likely he was telling this women that made this call who he is.
Paid girlls are often informing police to have some special privilages with them and it is a thing all over the world and also nothing new. The guy wanted to be stoped by the police for a very long time, for what ever reason -> propably because there was noone to stop someone from doing something that he did not likes when he was young.
@@jonslg240 This is Finland not Murrica so I I doubt that that is what took place.
Some of the patients whose therapy records he published took their own lives. It is obscene that this sociopath only got 6 years in prison.
@@21stcenturymessiah16 are you his alt or something
@@21stcenturymessiah16to think you even edited this and still ended up with such a useless statement
@@21stcenturymessiah16 WannaCry about it?
Of which he will serve only 3. Minus the time he has been held already on this crime. So a little less than 2 years in jail. Shame
Psychologists are drug dealers and their clients often kill themselves.
He uploaded his own home folder... If this happened in a movie it would be considered lazy writing. You can't make this up.
I was listening to this audio only and I just froze and started laughing, HOW??? You’re absolutely right, I would have totally considered that unrealistic writing
@@Slush_ A simple momentary jell when he was basically hacking everything, constantly zipping up and transporting encrypted files for years on end. It demonstrates, if anything, hacking is pretty low lying fruit given everyone makes mistakes including the hackers themselves.
lmfao right 😭😭😭
No shit. "Super Hacker"
The problem is that it usually is lazy writing, as it seems so out there no one tends to believe it... didn't really think of his uploading his home folder in terms of making a movie though, and gave me a kek lol
The sad thing is that once he finishes his sentence, he will 99.99% do the same shit again. Some people are incorrigible.
I hope he gets some prison justice
If not him, then someone else. There are real sophisticated hacks, but this was not one of them but pure negligence from the company. Probably a lot of others, including state actors, got there too just by accident. But of course they would not extort the victims for the lulz but rather use it in more effective ways.
Maybe not. This guy also cheated some money from drug dealers (1 million euros). Hauskaa vankila-aikaa Juliukselle :)
Probably will get hired by a cybersecurity company.
@@Combat_Wombat1 He wont.
I live in the country but even the local media hasn't dug this deep into the guy's history. Great reporting!
Well, the less publicity, the better. The guy has a climax every time he's talked about.
Yeah I'm finnish too and honestly in all of this I'm constantly thinking "why are we not doing more". Like honestly the Finnish court system can be a total joke, and you can see criminals taking advantage of it. like the sadiatic murder of a 16 year old boy, and all the murderers get 3 years in prison because they're underage
@@HoneyDoll894 it’s a fine line. On the other end is our system and the other end has the US system. Neither is perfect but ours is MILES better than the US system atleast.
@@HoneyDoll894It is indeed a joke. I think one HUGE problem is frauds that are done to common people. You can commit hundreds of individual frauds(such as selling something that doesnt exist)and you rarely get jailtime and the victims almost never get their money back because these perps do not work, they get sentenced and just get back to committing frauds. The exception is tax frauds, if you commit that then it's a serious crime(who cares about the common people, I guess).😂
Yeah, have not heard anything about his history in Finnish media. And that's for a reason, the police were literally allowing him to do this shit so obviously they're not posting that. They knew what he was doing and did nothing for a long time...😊
Bro loved trolling so much that he trolled himself by uploading a tar archive of all archive types of his home folder. That's crazy
very common archive type on linux
@@thewhitefalcon8539 sure but not without using gzip and some other archive or encryption method like openssl
I got what you mean, out of all compression codecs he had to poop a tar ball
@@DJ_POOP_IT_OUT_FEAT_LIL_WiiWii bro it's basically the default format on linux, they use tar gz like windows users use zip
@@thewhitefalcon8539so is zip tho
Could have mentioned that Tapio sold Vastaamo (or to be exact 71% of shares, leaving him and his mother with 29%) between the hack taking place and the company making a public statement that they had had a security breach. That's why he got fired from the CEO position, the new owners weren't too happy about him neglecting to mention that there had been a security breach that threatened the entire company.
Oh wow I had no idea
Well, Tapio maintains that he was unaware of the fact and there's an ongoing court case regarding the matter, so it's all "alleged" for now. Tapio's background is in programming and online commerce and he was the one responsible for the "online" part of "online counselling" when the company was starting out, so I have my hunches. But yeah, Kivimäki isn't the only interesting character in this story. @@Crumb
Thats Julius-level scumbaggery tbh
thata really bad for tapio. might need to redo the trade
the whole vastaamo side action on it was abysmal. also how bad their security was for the hack to happen.
The minecraft griefer to cyber criminal pipeline needs to be studied
and like what even youtubers become
only group who doesn't turn into criminals are normie players
and og YTers
Seriously
"There is plenty of room behind the sauna for you"
That is exactly the type of disdained threat I'd expect from an upset Finn.
Montulle
"Taking someone behind sauna" is actually a common Finnish metaphore for unuliving someone
Yeah we say "you should be taken behind the sauna" to threaten someone's life. This is somewhat of an old saying though
behind the sauna is where animals used to be slaughtered
Suomi mainittu!!
I think it would have been worth mentioning that apparently multiple people that got their data leaked in the hack ended up quitting from life (Stupid youtube censorship). They held a silent moment in the court for those. We do not know the scale of damage that the publication of the tens of thousands of personal record has caused.
One doesn't still say "catch the bus" does one?
Going after mental health institutes and going after troubled people is absolutely vile.
bit insane innit
Well he didn't hack the mental health institute he just blackmailed them with info he took from another script kiddie.
@@Dead_Goat that is not any better...
Downright disgusting. Especially since multiple people have now commited suicide because of his doings ☹
@@LordBelakor I think it's linked to sadistic personality by everyone.
They hacked into his webcam to find an FBI handler standing over his shoulder - The level of "oh shit" this must have exuded is beyond measure.
The dude probably let them in, I doubt they hacked into their group members PC that quickly, bro probably showed them to save them.
@@DJRobotPantherI mean if I was there and a guy was fishy I would have planted that shit long ago 2 clicks away lol
@@DJRobotPanther you don’t just hack someone’s machine. A zero click exploit is worth multi millions, which is what is required to hack someone’s computer without them downloading any malicious files.
This is usual vinnie omari bullshit, he’s been a yapper since early 2010’s.
Haha😂
This reminded me of the 2004 web series _"The Scene"._
I literally looked at the thumbnail and was like "wow that guy looks like he's from Finland"
French police thought the same thing haha
Yes 😂
Because of his Mongolian phenotype. There’s a reason why Finns are called "Finngolians".
@@88heiling XD
Look at the name, kivimaki :3c
He just has the moral compass of a typical Espoo resident
:DDD
Your boat needs to be bigger than the one next to it. It just has to, doesn’t matter how you achieve it.
😂😂
🤣
@@rolandselene
Thats a sign of weak ego to give a shit about your boat being smaller, than the one next to it.😂🤦♂️
I’m from Finland. The judicial system is really strange here; if you tax evade it’s straight to prison, but Julius got basically nothing as a teenager for all the cybercrimes he did
Too bad they didn't know how much money he had. They could've taken him down with a speeding ticket!
Because most of the "crimes" aren't really crimes
Trying not to make a wall of text, but the laws most countries have are stupid when they relate to the Internet
There are countries that consider clicking Ctrl+U is "hacking a website". Owning a botnet also isn't a crime per se, arguably all the Big Tech companies do it too
I'm amazed that judge ever let him out
Because if you rob the government, they care. If you rob/deceive ordinary people, why would they care?
Strange?
You mean corrupt.
The dude in voice chat has a rich vocabulary of "bro", "bro", and "bro"
Bro said bro.
I liked his likes better, bro.
Do you notice how anytime they outsmart someone, they call them stupid? I never got that! If you outsmart someone who is stupid, there is no challenge and it doesn't prove that you're smart. Instead, why not exclaim, "I'm bloody brilliant!"
"I beat up a ten year old, I definitely could take Tyson in his prime!"
Calling other people stupid is a narcissistic tendency to excuse one's own behaviour. I punished them for being stupid, it's their own fault. Heck, I'm even helping by teaching them a valuable lesson.
@@robertdegroot8302 From everything Kivimäki did, I would guess he is a psychopath instead but combination of narcissistic and psychopathic disorder is obviously an option.
The fact that therapists digitally store transcripts of what you said is wild.
Another reason to never go to therapy or to trust that shlomo ""science"
with a "root" password nonetheless HAHAHAHAHAH
Without encryption.
Yeah, I'll white knuckle it through life, thanks.
That's why I keep secrets even from myself, and yes, that does make sense.
just a note about proton mail. they literally gave up the information of a French journalist when a government agency asked. they WILL give your shit up. their E2E encryption also isn't for emails in general, it's for other proton emails.
Jesus. What about tutanota???
Proton is a way to not have all your shit sniffed by the big US tech companies instantly, but mail without your own encryption scheme on top has to be treated as a post card.
These guys are so right. If it isnt within the same network / email tool, it cannot be done by them. At that point, it needs to be done, then sent and then decrypted. So that can be done with any provider, subject to size limits of course.
Any email providers have themselves all your mails.
That's one entity different than yourself that have acces to all your data.
Proton isn't for organizing your dark web schemes or staging a revolution. It's a way to have a free email with a good web client that isn't aggressively datamined by a corporation like Google.
Honestly there's a lot of these kinds of kids running around in communities today, doing the same sorts of horrible shit to people and then getting slaps on the wrist due to being minors. It's pretty crazy what they can get away with for so long.
cause long sentenses does not help..... we dont want to be America and a have a prison industry
To avoid a prison industry you allowed your society to become lawless... Of course long sentences help. It's kind of hard to commit crimes when you're behind bars. The longer the criminal is behind bars the less crimes they can commit. @@possu1984
Cuz ruining your game isn’t a big deal😢
@@RPcropland No one mentioned any games?
Uh oh you burned down a whole neighborhood where a guy llived who said something about your mom
try not to do that again
that's like the type of bs, kids aren't being disciplined bc it's illegal to do so
I don't mean like abuse, that's just as bad
No offense to Vinnie, but saying he was generous, because he didn't take every penny someone had but came up with a number he thought was "fair" to blackmail them for, Jesus Christ, that's not generosity... Give me a break, man.
dude these are hackers, their all thieving pieces of shit, that probably is "good" for a hacker, in comparison to more greedy hackers
What a wild mindset to live in.
He's saying compared to the company's worth at the time, it was an insignificant amount. Not an amount that they would be financially incapable of bouncing back from.
Generosity is the wrong word, but that's what he was getting at. Given that most ransomware incursions initially asked for some pretty crazy figures when they hit successful companies.
@@Si74l0rd Don't be ridiculous. He's a mugger bragging that he left the person a dollar for the bus. And it wasn't an insignificant amount, it bankrupted the company.
I think you need a new sarcasm detector
The dude you're interviewing saying the hackers extortion amount was "fair" and "generous" is absurd.
200 isnt hard to come by at all. especially when the victims are using private healthcare resources.. 1 session costs around the same
so many things wrong with that - 200 euros is quite a lot for a lot of people, but especially students - finland has public healthcare - prices for therapy vary wildly depending on a number of factors, being as little as 20 dollars in some places.
the only reason you have to think one session costs the same is if you googled "average price of therapy session" but didn't do the math to realize you shouldn't be looking at US statistics on a Finnish crime haha - even if it was the US, stats show the majority of people cannot afford a 500 USD utility bill out of the blue, so I doubt they would find 200 reasonable either
7.1/10. thanks for the laugh - stay stupid
@@valkoroska2369
i was literally just commenting on that but it deleted my message
also like, the average is only 200 in the US hahahahah and even if it were the US, most people cannot comfortably afford 200 either, as most people statistically don't have $500 in spare emergency funds
@@0nMi
@@0nMi im finnish. i know what im talking about lol. yes its true finland has public but it doesnt close off the possibility of private healthcare either. WHICH vastaamo is. goddamn i hate how people try to ratio when they obviously dunning-krueger themselves
i might be drinking myself into a dunning krueger situation but at least i’m not sober playing devil’s advocate for a hacker preying on the weak lmfao stay angry
All of these hacker groups backstabbing and hacking each other is just funny to me 😂😂
I have long thought that griefing and "trolling" is quite often linked to psychopathy and sociopathy. Basically people who either take advantage of people with no remorse, or just enjoy making others miserable even if it costs them selves something to do that.
A lot of games also unintentionally encourage that kind of behaviors as well.
Griefing is fun. That's why it's so popular.
@@cosmo9208Just say you can't take players the same level as you and leave, lmao. I've run into countless people like yourself, it's ALWAYS the same. You're embarassing yourself. Many of those players are children, adding an entirely new dimension of pathetic and sad.
Even as a 13 y/o playing WoW pvp servers, I thought it was a cringe thing to do, lol. Once I was level 50, I assumed that was my "time" to grief other players - only to find it to be a joyless endeavor. Call me "unfun", but crushing other people who have the same advantages as you because you're a better player than them is what's fun. Genuinely wrong with you if you spend hours of your day just trying to make someone miserable when they merely want to have fun as well.
Some dudes will do anything aside from going to therapy. 😂
@@DeaDiabola Sometimes I grief on players on the same level as me. But it's less fun. And as I said, griefing on very high level players is fun as well. They get so angry.
It's really interesting, I'd like to comment on that thought. The fun that people get from trolling or griefing is sadistic thrill: a rush of adrenaline and a sense of power. But any teasing or pranking (against an unwilling person) works like that. What decides whether we normalise that thrill or not is how much damage is caused. For example, both burning down a Minecraft server and ding-dong-ditching provide that thrill, but one is judged to be malicious and one just "silly". The difference is how much we feel that empathy for the victim should dwarf the pleasure of that thrill (in the same way that you might kill a fly for money, but not kill a person). The idea that trolling, pranking, etc. is fun in a mischievous way is not what's mysterious, it *is* fun, but there's an invisible line between the victim being inconvenienced and tortured, and when that line is crossed (wherever we perceive it individually) we get red flags that the person doing it lacks empathy: we see a monster. And, the further along it is crossed, the more chances we do have to be dealing with psychopathy.
I'm curious, in what ways do you think games encourage that?
@@LiminallyYours An insightful, balanced view!
It really gives you an idea of how much a scumbag both Julius and his friend are especially given his friend said Julius isn't a bad person 💀💀💀💀
He more meant that the amounts requested were affordable, for example the therapist business could have paid and be scot free.
@@sitemap.x Yep that's the only saving grace until this point in the video. He had his hands on some incredibly personal data and unlike some others the ransom was actually "reasonable". I mean 200 bucks so your personal medical information and psychic treatment isn't leaked? That's worth so much in personal/mental damage prevention alone. And even the 450k was a lot but reasonable if you look at their revenue and the reputation damage and fines that would be the result of that. Still scummy but at least he gave the victims a reasonable way out unlike hackers demanding 4k+ from a person to decrypt their computer or sth like that
@@sitemap.x he called him generous... for not scamming them for all they had.. they're both insane.
@@sitemap.xthat’s still the exact opposite of generous scumbag was extorting the company for monetary gain doesn’t matter if it was affordable it was still a shitbag move
@@sitemap.x Yes, but the act in itself is incorrigible. Julius' actions are not justifiable in any scope, and if anyone says they are it really says something about their character.
Bruh got the same face as Amy Schumer in some angles lol damn
I read this while looking at his face and almost died laughing.
😂
At least Amy Schumer's face has a medical explanation
lmao
His cheek filler looks insane lmao
'I'm an untouchable hacker god' - guy who got touched
Touched in prison.
BRO, STOP BEING JEALOUS. WHAT DID YOU ACHIEVE IN YOUR LIFE? 😂
For all he cares, he’s still untouchable. He will not receive any harsh sentence. Consider it a bad luck experience, he will get out of prison still having his money and will continue his business.
“What’re ya gonna do, arrest me?”
- man who was arrested
@@mrjjman2010 will you still be able to say that when he's free?
@@anthonymcevans8191 what did *you* achieve in your life?
also, why are you meat-riding a psycho who doesn't know you; and if he did, would gladly extort you and try to ruin your life? lol
Man, as an old frequenter (and moderator) of HF back in the day, there just for random chatting and passive learning, it's wild seeing all these old names of users I've interacted with before popping up in your videos.
same bro same
Do people still use HF? The site is there, but my country, most VPNs and free proxies are banned so I cannot access it. I am a Pakistani and they blocked Pakistan for almost the entirety of their existence online as a site.
Only 7 years? Finland is so drunk. He needs a few decades minimum. He caused way too much damage to walk away with a mere 7 years.
He looks like he spent a lot of money on CS skins, lost them to a scammer, then turned into the joker.
😅 funny you say that
@@BroomopUK is he wrong though? 😂
Sounds interesting... Can you give hints about the source for this claim?
Holy shit. I did not expect this plot. HIS OWN HOME FOLDER
Holy. SHIT!
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people wrongly overestimate their knowledge or ability in a specific area. This tends to occur because a lack of self-awareness prevents them from accurately assessing their own skills.
He’s really the master mind of getting caught
3rd times the charm
Update on Julius
He was found guilty on all counts and got sentenced to 6 years and 3 months in prison
Yes and he will do about 2 years of that. And its pretty much a hotel
Well he appealed so it might change
will he have a pc in prison
@@portalsevil yes
Finnish sentences and prisons are a fucking joke.
Today (March 9th), I looked up some news, and they will sentence him on 30th April. Until then they will keep him in custody (the only logical way to do it)
Edit. It’s April 30th and he was sentenced to 6 years and 7 months of prison (or jail, idk the difference)
Thanks, a lot of wannabe bountyhunters must watching, feeling let down😅
One month from now. Crazy to think about the days i used to be pissed when my playstation was down during christmas so I couldnt play COD
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If I had a nickel for every time a runescape content creator I follow pivoted to more general video essays and found a ton of success, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice. I love both you and Joon the King, and I'm glad you've gained the recognition you deserve.
If you count Vexed, that's an entire 15 cents :)
@@Crumb By God, he's right! Seriously, keep up the stellar content. You've made us all so proud.
rsgang
Mote plox did so too I believe.
It's amazing how people can be so intelligent but yet so dumb at the same time.
I say this as an autistic git: Intelligence is not linear. You can be absolutely brilliant in one field and a master of it, yet be absolutely clueless and a Mr. Bean-level doofus in another. And just as well, make dumb mistakes because the possibility of making mistakes doesn't even cross your mind.
To quote Desk of Death Battle: *"See, being clever doesn't disqualify you from being an idiot. It's possible to be both."*
Intelligent, but extremely arrogant, which led to him being caught.
Lone rider dies from thirst in the end.
Not only he looked a little too Scandinavian for an average Romanian, but also when you are a hacker
do you really want to have a fake identity card that says you are from "Hackerland"?
It's just another example of his mental state. He's doing all that for LOLs only. When you're doing all the crimes for LOLs, wouldn't it be fun to have a fake identity card that says Hackerland and still not get caught for using it?
@@MikkoRantalainen Nice, but I think the real reason is far less romantic.
I just checked my ID card (I'm Romanian by the way) and here's what I noticed: one side is complettely blank and the other side contains far less security elements than any other European card. So I guess the Romanian ID card was just the cheapest to forge...
He just got sentenced to 6 years and 3 months in prison‼️‼️‼️
A pittance..Finland loves their hackers and keeps them ' in pocket'.😅
This is huge in scale of finlands standarts ..and i know our law sucks thats why we got gangaroo court.
And for a rape of 10 year old girl you get 3 years of prison.
Sits 3 years max because this is a weak joke country where criminals have better rights than victims.
YT literally censors suggesting the proper sentence. All this one does is send a message to all other similar criminals that they are in no real danger from Law Enforcement. Catch & Release tier idiocy.
He's the equivalent of Joey from Hackers.. rookie mistakes all the way but trying to prove himself doing big hacks.. the hard part isn't breaking in, it's not leaving tracks.
They're planning on making a documentary about this guy in finland aswell but looks like you beat them to it
whats the name for it?
@@Plugwalkj0e They will finish making it 10 years from now
To be honest I hope they will never make a documentary/tv show. It's just too painfull as a victim to relive the thinking prosess and it would just be a reminder:" hey you are forever fucked by this idiots narsistic psychopath behavior".
This video is far more comprehensible about the whole situation around Kivimäki than any news trying to explain the situation in Finland.
Suomi mainittu!!
Yeah, this is the sickness of the Finnish justice system. Finland is the promised land of slaps on the wrist with it's naive obsession with suspended sentences for almost any kind of crimes...pathetic and sad
His "cell" looks nicer than my university halls of residence did xD
He's practically free after 3 years. It's really lax. We will hear from him again. This time he will really be on the run.
He'll be on the streets after 3 years but if he does anything criminal after that, he'll go directly to prison for the rest of the sentence (6 years and 3 months) no questions asked. And the new crimes will add extra prison time, too.
Another day, another fantastic Crumb hacker documentary. Your quality and pacing improves every single video, keep up the great work! Excited to see what's next.
Thank you again cowboii :) I upload every one with you in mind
@@Crumb I'll be there to watch every upload!
5:40 "Bitcoin in some cases, I'd rather not be paid in imaginary money"
Bitcoins price when he posted that was only $12.50 per coin, now its $61,000 + per coin LMFAOO
Hindsight 2020
Just insane to think about.
the imaginary money i wish i had.
I personally know associates of him. One I know IRL. He’s sitting on $45m in crypto today thanks to his hacking endeavours with Kivimaki.
yeah but at the time it was one of the first crypto currencys out there no one knew shit about it or if it would reach any type of mainstream adoption like it has why risk your money on something new and unpredictable. Now of course it seems stupid to not accept bitcoin but its just hindsight bias imo at the time that was probably the smartest choice if you had no idea about what btc would grow into
Jesus the fact that the MAXIMUM sentence he could get was 7 years is insane
Yeah, weird thing here in Finland you don't get the same sentence multiple times for repeated offence. As a Finn, I don't understand the logic but this same problem happens with other crimes, too. Basically when you do multiple crimes, you only sit in prison for the biggest *single* thing you did and you logically sit all the other crimes in parallel!
So if you get 7 years for extorting mental health patients, it doesn't matter if you extorted 1 or 20000 people.
@@MikkoRantalainenwell were one of the the safest and most prosperous countries in the world so something is working. I don’t mind.
@@MikkoRantalainenStacking up sentences also come with downsides. Like in US, where sentences do stack, people have been sentenced to like over 100 years in prison for like robberies and selling drugs because of the stacking laws. Which to me seems excessive. Especially since max for murder is like 25 years.
@@jokuvaan5175 Do you think there should be different sentence if you kill 25 instead of a single person?
The same issue with robberies. If you don't stack sentences, every robbery is practically risk free after you have done one robbery. That's not exactly the best incentive to avoid breaking law more.
@@MikkoRantalainen No but I saying that in some cases the stacking law results in stupidly long sentences. So there should be some kind of middle ground
his "friend" is hilarious, thinking 7 years of no freedom and internet wouldn't completely cripple this guy because he would "not care and just entertain himself in his own mind" is so cute.
Right? Dude had trouble complying with house arrest for a week!
He needs 7 years timeout just to grow up
Well "seven years of no freedom" isn't actually what I'd call "no freedom" when it comes to Finnish prisons. It's like a three star hotel
If you think he's going to actually serve all those 7 years you clearly don't know the Finnish justice system well enough. 3 years max, after which he'll be back to his old shenanigans. Here the only crime you get serious punishment for is tax evasion.
Finnish prisons are comfy, he's not gonna break from being in a taxpayer-funded luxury hotel room
That Vinnie saying "Bro" every two seconds is the real crime.
I'm english and this is the worst thing thats ever happened to our nation. Worse than the Luftwaffe
Wii bruhz? EDIT: bruh?
br0
ok vro
That lizard squad game server attack was even worse being that at that time it was the releases of the newest Gen consoles and everyone was getting them for Xmas or around that time period and couldnt even play.
@@delfosse.design It was definitely insidious lol, the worst is up for debate
@@delfosse.design tbh that was my favourite Christmas, sure I couldn't play my shit but tuning in to hear two squads beefing about "activism" on drama alert when I wasn't spending time with the family is a core memory.
And as bad as that was, it was merely a mild warning sign compared to what came next, i.e. the mass extortion of psychiatric patients. Wonder how many he drove into suicide for a buck. This guy is a total psycho, murders folks for the troll. World will be much safer with him behind bars. Just trolling bro, don't worry about it!
Yes we understand stop crying
Lol ya thumbstick monkeys
ordering pizzas to someones house is classic mw2 ip pulling behavior.
Finland's legal system definitely has its quirks. 🇫🇮💻
The fact that he didn't got jailed way sooner, and didn't got jailed for life, is just baffling to me. Great work governments, must be so proud of yourselves, allowing such toxic filth of a person to roam free and ruin people's lives, leading to numerous tragedies. Just how many lives did he ruin with his actions? ...And then laughed at it on social media. Disgusting.
Life sentence for hacking? Only in countries with two-tier justice system, ridiculously long prison sentences without rehabilitation, plea bargaining and bail bonding...
Nordic countries have the lowest recidivism rates in the world because we have a humanely treated prisoners and prison rehabilitation and we don't practice any of those two-tier evils I mentioned.
Fun fact: Julius the hacker gets out of prison after serving 3 years, possibly even earlier. My bet is after serving 2 y 9 months.
Making a video that's related to Finland in any way is a proper TH-cam algorithm hack because that will be recommended to everyone in Finland and then you basically get all of Finlands TH-cam users to watch the video because if Finland is mentioned you have to watch it if you're Finnish
@@RCmies torille
LMFAO. I just watched the video about Lizard Squad. Loaded YT homepage, and this was uploaded 8 minutes ago. Nice.
Enjoy man :) Days after I uploaded the Lizard Squad video news broke he was on Europol's most wanted, and well, now here we are
I remember both Vinnie and Julius from HF back in 2014-ish. These guys aren't hackers. They're turists that likes to be around and take part in the credits. Julius has no tech skills, he's just a carder, ddos'er and extorter.
Well fuckin' DUH. I dont know a single highcaliber hacker who would steal CC info. Of course I dont know Russian/Indian hackers, but for the most part the best arent motivated by money.
@@cannaroe1213 Everything starts with money and after that they do it for publicity and for the sake of hacking. There is no "the best only do this" -category.
@@terrycrews1584 Dunno man. Money doesn't make you a better hacker. It can only light a fire under your ass. Can't make you smarter, more knowledgeable.
@@cannaroe1213 I get what you're saying.
@@terrycrews1584 the only thing the best do that the amateurs doesn’t is not being caught. That’s the only distinction. You do have hacktivists, but my guess is, the most skilled black hatters still goes for the money.
Fun fact, his Romanian ID "was issued" in Vâlcea (VL), which is know as "Romanian hackerville" :)))
and this is why you don't take therapy online like betterhelp
That's what prisons look like there, not the jails. Also, what he most likely complained about was isolation which is standard in Sweden and probably in Finland too. You get to read books, that's it. And you cannot talk to anybody or receive visits or calls.
Hmmm, perfect vacation.
That's not how it is in Sweden? You DO get to talk to other inmates. You can also get visits. What are you basing this off of?
Masterclass of a video, incredible how you've grown as a content creator. Beats most televised documentaries easily
Thank you man :)
That is the most Finnish looking Finnish man.
Except for that apparently his eyes are green rather than blue.
Nah that's totally romanian
Green(ish) eyes are pretty common in Finland. Strikingly blue ones are rarely seen.
@@timosalo5003 Blue eyes (not necessarily especially striking) are far more common than green eyes. I think brown eyes are more common than green eyes too.
@@seneca983 As far as I know, green eyes are more prevalent in Finland than in many other places. Mine are green with a brown inner ring, a pretty run-of-the-mill thing here. Gray eyes with no discernible blue or green hues are also common, although not nearly as prevalent as in Russia AFAIK.
Please my guy we need a 2 hour special this shits too good😭
It's honestly hilarious hearing Vinny talk about others doing things "for the rush" when he's still around to this day attempting to scrounge up any little "fame" or "recognition" he has left to scam people with shit like terrible NFT projects and other stupid ideas.
Over 30.000 serious crimes committed and less than 6 years prison time...thank you Finland for this justice.
He'll be out in 3 years.
Can't believe this man was actually taken down by "Wait a minute, you're not a bear on a unicycle!"
"The man did not look Romanian enough" 😅😅😅
Am I the only one thinking that 7 years is nothing? Over 600 charges and the dude is out in less than a decade..
Actually I believe there is like total of 27.7k participants on this case
Welcome to finland + prison is very comfy
It's actually quite a strict sentence, by Finnish standards.
I don't think he will be in prison even 7 years. There are all kinds of reductions for prison sentences in Finland. In cases like this where the person has done great amount of harm and will probably continue their criminal career, it feels like a bad joke.
finland seems to be very soft on crime
crumb I've been watching your content for years. Your content keep getting better and better. You deserve all of your success
Thank you legend :)
As a Finn, I deeply apologize for the complete impotence of our criminal justice system which lead Julius roam freely this much.
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Suomi mainittu!!
Pelle
@@Luuskamuikkunen Nisti.
I can't believe i did watch the whole thing, good job editing! It's truly crazy the amount of stuff he was able to get away with.
This is a moment when I cannot really be proud of Finland being mentioned, my homeland.
The evian bottle was a water facial spray, basically just water over your head when it's hot, idk if there's like some additional contents more than water
He's paying for Onlyfans?
Yeah, I guess the rich lifestyle really did rot his brain....
On Finnish social media, some people were cheering for this guy for his smarts and for resisting the police. Though I wonder if those were just bot accounts, because I can't see how anyone would admire someone who blackmails people with their medical records. Note that some of the people who were being blackmailed, suffered further depression or even committed suicide. And since some of the victims were suffering from severe issues like terminal cancer, this meant that for the last months of their life, they were being trolled and blackmailed by Julius when they should have been spending time with their loved ones and coming to terms with certain or near certain death from cancer.
Suomi mainittu!!
fascinating! no notes, except "zine" is 'zeen' like magazine, in every usage i've ever known. still, what a story!!
this drove me absolutely mad. i checked this guys other videos and he clearly does research and knows some stuff, but in all my life reading phrack and all the other scene zines back in the day + physical zines like 2600/Blacklisted 411. now i actually do design work on ttrpg zines... ive never in my life have heard it pronounced that way.
@@kwaddamage8286 my age is showing 🤷♂ I had never heard the word aloud before, only read it
Also, 2600 is awesome :)
Can confirm, came making sure someone had posted this comment after like the 3rd time I heard it in the video. Good video though!@@Crumb
li-NOAD too, like it's italian or something hehe
This video is more detailed than anything I have read about this case here in Finland. I cant believe you managed to get so much information when most of the evidence is in Finnish. Great job!
Seven years? Just seven years, for all of that? And he'll be guaranteed parole after 3.5 years? Crime really does pay.
At least in Finland it does.
It's super simple. His parents never gave him any attention. So he went out there and got the attention for himself!
20:36
"The Finnish Police did arrest him"
*shows a stock video of police arresting an asian man with a man-bun*
rofl-airplaner
This is what happens when you have this mindset of "I am going to put down other people because I think it's funny" and don't ever get an actual hobby, when your whole life is just based around malicious activity you eventually just spiral out of control and ultimately you end up as a criminal or just disliked by everybody. Truly a sad kind of person
You might have watched a different video. The dude was competent and traveling on his own since he was 13. He clearly had a lot of hobbies aside trolling
@@user-xl5kd6il6c I wouldn't call doxing yourself and leaving massive evidence of your illegal activities "competent". The dude is just a dumb sociopath with a false sense of confidence. Classic case of Dunning Kreuger.
Swatting someone should net you an attempted murder charge and life in prison. CHANGE MY MIND
This guy also tried to escape while on trial. He got caught when he posted image of champagne bottle. Police managed to get enough info from the image to arrest him few hours later. This guy just doesn't learn :D
If Julius will be sentenced to the maximum of 7 years, he will only do half of it. First timers in prison goes with the half sentece in Finland.
Wait what. They got breached a year before. KNEW ABOUT IT. And still had root:root??!
Wtf? This is criminal negligence
Yea he is a criminal but his crime is extortion, not hacking.
YOOOOO ANOTHER CRUMB VIDEO! Been watching you and rewatching all your videos ever since that Graham Clark video :) Thanks for recording such good videos
Appreciate you king!
"Where are the parents"? As a 40 year old who was in trouble w the feds at age 16, and had been "blackhat" hacking since the mid 90s, let me quote my step father (RIP): "We always knew where your body was, but never where your mind was."
They knew i was home, but could have no idea the criminal activity i could be up to from my bedroom.
Bro, he went to other countries alone.
@dotnet9830 you're missing the context of the comment I'm replying to. It was in reference to OP asking where are the parents in these hacking scenarios when teen kids are involved.
"ruined christmas" is such an overstatement, describing them that way gives them so much importance lol, I was gaming around then, didn't give a shit the network was down, blond guy is 100% right, is someones christmas is ruined because of that, they're sad and pathetic
That “prison room” is much better than an apartment in New York.
Arrogance eventually takes all.
truth
its crazy the MAXIMUM is only seven years. I understand and support how the Nordic countries do their prison systems in regards to how they try to rehabilitate people.. but people like julius? theirs no rehabilitating to do.
He got 6 years and 3 months prison time. Over 30 000 crimes in total. Spends his time in Vantaa prison, let's see if he ever makes it out. He can still argue the sentence in higher court.
I loved messing around with trolls on Minecraft who thought they were ruining my day at first. The funniest part is I would only hop on private/public free online hosted servers when I was messing around on a world with my friends and family and anything I actually cared about was saved for local hosting. So whenever someone hopped into the online server worlds we really wouldn't mind but we kept track of them in case they did start griefing. And if when we spot them attempting to trash the world we acted like we cared at first just to get them hooked, then anything we said after that would seem like lies of acting like we didn't care making them assume we were trying reverse psychology (but it was just the truth at that point) so they would stay longer cause the sunk cost fallacy. Then we would have the time of our lives doing our best to waste their time by trapping them at spawn which they always thought people cared about (we always set up base at least over 1000 blocks away online so it really didn't matter at all to us), we had commands so we could have blacklisted them at any time, but it was so fun wasting their time (and it is not like we had anything better to do at the time ourselves) and in the end, they would eventually realize we truly didn't care about the griefing, especially at spawn, cause we would always end up doing more damage to the area than the trolls and when we got bored of messing with them we would point this out to them along with how much fun we had wasting their time, and they would finally realize we made a fool of them. Those were the days.
Imagine having the username and password “root” and not thinking you’d get hacked, like what?
The combination root:root might be acceptable for a dedicated system where the database only listens for localhost connections and the other part of the system talking to that localhost port is the gatekeeper for the actual data transmissions (e.g. some kind of pooling system such as MaxScale of MariaDB). However, if the maintainer of that system messes up and puts the raw database to publicly accessible port, all hell will brake lose, as was demonstrated in Vastaamo case.
This is no different from some maintainers leaving ports open and using a firewall to prevent attacks and if the firewall ever fails for any reason, all the data is free to leak to public internet.
Why would you use a Romanian ID card? It's one of, if not the most secured ID card in Europe. There's so many security measures built into it it's ridiculous.
According to him the Romanian ID was not fake as far as he knows. He paid some legit company to get him a legit Romanian ID. Of course we don’t know if that’s true or not but it would we a weird lie as he had other obviously fake ID’s.
@@dupashi99 It can't be real. It's pretty hard to get a Romanian citizenship and there's no dual citizenship. Unless he lived for 8 years and had an exam or was married to a Romanian for 5 years he can't get one. It's hard enough for a Romanian to get a new ID.
@@Liminal.Headspace I think the proper expression would be "it's designed to be pretty hard to get a Romanian citizenship". I would assume Kivimäki got an actual ID card via extortion or bribing some government official. This fake ID should definitely be investigated more.
He probably cross european borders with it many times, so I don't think it's that secured. And I dont think there are a lot of UK and Germany IDs on a black market. Sam Bankman Fried also got romanian ID if I'm not mistaken. And Andrew Tate was running his shit in Romania. Sketchy individuals use Romania as safe harbor for some reason.
WOW!!! it's amazing to see how far you've came crumb. I'm happy to see your videos flourishing!
Thank you so much!
oh senpai uwu
I saw this guy's "wanted profile" a several times on various websites and newspaper. Thanks for doing this video.
Remember when using proton, you are no more end to end encrypted, than the SMTP you are sending to, and e-mails on the other end, are out of your control.
he did it for the lolz, but in the end, i got the biggest lolz when he gave away all his own info. :))
I actually served in the finnish military in the same unit as his brother. When I first heard his name and saw him, I thought he was Julius and he had been released from prison to go to the army 🤣 Which would have been weird, since his brother ended up working with computers with some quite confidential systems in them.
It’s a shame you didn’t ask about what their parents were like, to see if maybe he would divulge why Julius turned out the way he did.