There is a little clue as to Rayna's true nature in her surname Kapec. Czech playwright Karel Čapek (1890- 1938) coined the term "robot" in his 1920 play "R.U.R. (Rossum's Universal Robots)".
Mr.Flint wanted a perfect,ultimate women,as Mr.Spock said in the episode.I,Robot was a story that was in the outer limits episode of the early 1960”s.I don’t know if I’ve ever read a dark Harlen Ellison 📕 book?I guess,it’s something to investigate,🔬 here?We’ll see,I guess?The first dark book 📚 that I have ever read was;Clockwork Orange 🍊 by Anthony Burgess.And it was based on a real crime!Yikes!😮
Yes,I agree….that Mr.Flint had lived through these times,too!He wanted that perfect 🤩 women for himself!But,don’t all men want that in today’s world?🌎 I felt that the Enterprise crew needed Doctor McCoy’s help.Yet,it looked like 👍 they were going to get help?Again,I’ll have to investigate 🔬 this book 📕,and see where the story goes.I like the fact that Spock warns Captain 🧑✈️ Kirk of the danger ⚠️ of giving Rayna emotions…..and then,boom!It’s over in a flash.I also like it when Doctor McCoy say’s;he’ll live out the remainder of his life,than die.”On that day,I’ll morn,”Spock says.Which means,yes….it would be hard to accept this death 💀 after living such a full life!I always liked this episode whenever I saw 👀 it!😊
Thanks bunny for such a perceptive evaluation of this episode….. always love when you shed a tear….. it’s nice to know when something triggers similar emotions in others as we watch these episodes together….
This was not the first time William Shatner and Louise Sorel worked together. They played husband and wife in an episode of Route 66. Bill Theiss was the costume designer and made so many wonderful costumes for the female characters in particular.
Bunny, the ending was one of the best in the series McCoy shows a surprising lack of understanding at the end. He accuses Spock of having no conception of love, then Spock commits an extremely loving act--relieving his closest friend of his pain. The contrast between McCoy's words and Spock's action make Spock's gesture that much more poignant.
I've always really liked this episode. The thought of an immortal witnessing all of that history was so fascinating to me. I love the way Flint recounts the Black Plague that wiped out much of Europe in the 14th century. He still remembers the rats rustling and squealing in the night as they too died and it still traumatizes him some 1000 years later. Such a great scene. I also like when he reveals himself to be immortal. This episode was part of the reason I got into history when I was younger. Great reaction Bunnytails!
The graphic of Flint's home was added with the new remastering. In the past, it was the same castle we'd seen many times in other episodes (Rigel 7 was one example).
James Daly (Flint) had a very successful career in film, theater and television. He starred in the popular TV series "Hallmark Hall of Fame" and "Medical Center" for several years. I remember him being in the original "Planet of The Apes" film (1968), in which he played an ape scientist. GREAT FILM! His two children, Tyne and Tim Daly, are also very successful actors. Tim Daly was the voice of Clark Kent/Superman in "Superman: The Animated Series" as well as several animated films. Tyne is an Emmy and Tony award winning actress who starred in the TV series "Cagney and Lacey" and "Judging Amy".
So glad you enjoyed "I, Robot." Asimov was one of the giants of the golden age of science fiction, and his output was prodigious. Ellison was part of the new wave movement in the 60's and 70's. Yes, his work is often dark, but thought provoking. Probably why it appealed so much when I was in my teens and twenties. Who could resist book titles like "Approaching Oblivion", "Deathbird Stories" or "Alone Against Tomorrow"? Always interested to hear what you're reading next!
Flint was the original Highlander! Nomad was the original M-4! The composer of the Brahms waltz was Ivan Ditmars, a well known Hollywood composer and musician. At the end of his life, lived in the same sleepy beach resort town as Ravi Shankar, who was famous for fusing Indian classical music with Western pop music. They must have known each other. John Daly was a regular cast member of the medical drama series "Medical Center" with Chad Everett. Louise Sorel worked with John Daly again as a guest star on "Medical Center". She also worked with Shatner as a guest star on "Barbary Coast" and later in the movie "Airplane II: The Sequel". She has also played villains in several soap operas, appearing in "Days of Our Lives" as recently as last year. Spock's mind meld at the end of this episode was an incredible expression of empathy and compassion. But it's also kind of creepy, and it's potentially a pretty scary weapon.
As you noted, Bunny, Spock's act of mercy in easing Kirk's emotional pain is rooted in empathy, not dispassionate logic. And seeing that sense of loyalty to his captain -- which is so revealing of Spock's core and essence -- was also so reminiscent of The Menagerie, when we saw him willing to commit mutiny and risk everything ... just to alleviate his former captain's suffering.
Spock was also acting on his empathy and concern for Kirk when Spock blocks the way and says he will get the ryetalyn from the "forbidden" room. He does this not because of the potential danger, but because he has figured out that Rayna is an android and suspects that room is where she was built and may contain something that will reveal that to Kirk, which will be devastating to Kirk since he has fallen in love with Rayna. That's the way that scene played to me when I first saw it since I had deduced that Rayna was an android in whom Flint wanted to develop emotions when Flint said "The last tender encounter Captain Kirk to end your usefulness." This reminded me of Kirk awakening emotions in the female android Andrea in the episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?"
Spock does know how Kirk feels. As a Vulcan every seven years as an adult Spock has to gets some and knows how crazy a man gets when he is in Love and needs a woman.
It's always astounding to see how you notice every detail (they sensed only 1 human) and figure things out. Maybe we would have, if we weren't kids in our first viewing, but I think most wouldn't do as well as you do.
I liked that you homed in on the way Spock was written in this episode; I thought it was a really interesting contrast to "That Which Survives" from a couple of weeks ago. It was significant that he was the one who was aware that Rayna might be endangered by the feelings being awakened in her.
The episode was written by Jerome Bixby, who revisited the concept in a movie script he completed on his deathbed in 1998 and which was filmed in 2007, after his death. "The Man From Earth" is a very interesting movie, but very much like a theatre play, mostly consisting of discussions. The model of the Enterprise was the first model of the Enterprise built. Gene Roddenberry kept it on his desk, but in the late 70s during preparations of the planned Star Trek Phase II series (which later evolved into the first movie) the model was loaned out to a special effects company and disappeared. It was finally found last year and given back to the Roddenberry family.
As one other Vulcan you might encounter one day, "Vulcans appreciate beauty". Kirk is a passionate, despite his inclination to find a more balanced way. When women are concerned, if he's in love, he's in love. If he uses one for tactical advantage, he does. 100% dedicated to his goal. Spock already showed empathy before, in the Menagerie with handicapped Capt Pike, risking his carreer to give his former captain a chance of a more agreeable life. Also, in another episode, Spock felt the death of 400 Vulcans on a distant starship when it was destroyed (Doomsday Machine?) and told McCoy that Vulcan heart seemed immeasurably big compared to Human's heart. Vulcans simply chose to simply IGNORE their emotions and not show them but they still there.
There sarcasm in what Bone"s is saying to Spock because he knows that Spock really feels things and hides behind logic...He's using sarcasm to get Spock to realize what Kirk is goin through... and it worked because Spock put a forget spell on Kirk at the end!
Agreed. He knows that in Spock's case, he's half human, so he's supressing what partial emotions he is in fact feeling. It did seem like a jab out of the blue.
My favorite episode. Great story, powerfully emotional conclusion. Shrinking the ship ... yes don't mess with him. That model, Gene Roddenberry's that he would display on his desk also and used in some other effects shots (Where No Man Has Gone Before for example) was missing for decades and was recently found in an abandoned storage garage ... now passed to Roddenberry's son Rod. Lovely waltz piece composed for this episode. A predicted flat panel television also. And Happy New Year Bunny!
I've always loved this episode. Spock's behavior in this one really gets to me every time. His friendship with Kirk and always trying to protect his captain while simultaneously being true to his Vulcan heritage. Flint is a complicated character, and Spock's admiration adds an additional layer to the episode for me. Your reaction and commentary were excellent. Harlan Ellison is quite the character. He was on many talk shows and has had many interviews on camera that are always "interesting" including one on The Tomorrow Show with Tom Snyder, where he appeared with Walter Koenig and James Doohan.
Amazing how the emotionless Vulcan is the only one who understands the conflict of emotions going on inside what should be an emotionless robot. Somehow I think this makes sense.
@@rdistinti Spock is not emotionless. Vulcans have stronger emotions than humans, but they suppress them. Spock being half human, is not as good as full Vulcans at suppressing his emotions. Spock is always struggling to suppress his emotions, which is why he understands Rayna's struggle with her emotions and Kirk's emotional pain at the end. From Memory Alpha: Contrary to stereotype, Vulcans possess strong emotions. They use meditation as a way to suppress those emotions. For instance, emotions like remorse, relief, joy, and embarrassment were all displayed by Spock when he thought Captain Kirk was dead and then saw him alive. (TOS: "Amok Time"). Indeed, Vulcan emotions were far more intense, violent, and passionate than those of many other species, including even Humans. (TNG: "Sarek") It was this passionate, explosive emotionality that Vulcans blamed for the vicious cycle of wars which nearly devastated their planet. As such, they focused their mental energies on mastering them. The essence of their logical society was in arriving at the truth through logical process. Emotions were illogical, thus making them impure, and deterrent to truth. Vulcans were born with the same emotions that afflicted their violent ancestors, but continual mental conditioning generally gave them the impassivity they sought. (TAS: "Yesteryear")... Despite their suppression of emotions, Vulcans still have them, and sometimes their violent nature resurfaces. Spock was vulnerable to polywater intoxication, and when he was infected, he was sobbing, having regretted his inability to express his love for his mother. In addition, surprise, combined with strong emotion, made Spock (who was half-Human as well as half-Vulcan) lose control for a brief moment. (TOS: "Amok Time") [SPOILERS BELOW] The Bendii Syndrome was an illness which makes elderly Vulcans lose their emotional control. (TNG: "Sarek") After a mind meld with Lon Suder, Tuvok's emotional system was traumatized, resulting in him losing some of his own control, becoming dangerous and violent. (VOY: "Meld") In a later point, Tuvok laughed when his identity was erased to make him a laborer on the Quarren homeworld. (VOY: "Workforce")
Going from I, Robot to Harlan Ellison is brutal, I have no mouth and I must scream is an exploration of suffering on all levels. Robin Williams did a radio version of Repent, I think I have a copy somewhere on my hard drive, and there is a great audio interview of Robin and Harlan here on TH-cam. Both of them are just exploding with character, I adore them both.
"I have no mouth and I must scream" really messed me up as a child. I had never been so affected by a story before. I spent the rest of my teens reading a lot of Asimov and Ellison and others and envy you being at the beginning of the journey.
This episode had one of my favorite quotes.. Dr. McCoy: You have been such men, you've known and created such beauty [...] yet, now you would do this to us? Flint: The flowers of my past; I hold the nettles of the present.
Yes, the Sage wisdom of the slightly older McCoy is on full display in that scene and it's f**king awesome. He won't be that great again until Star Trek 5. One of the few great moments in that movie.
I am seeing some complaints about certain things not making sense, and I pointed out a few of them myself. Despite that, I still really enjoyed the ideas and emotions presented!
One of my favorite episodes for all the reasons you mentioned. One particular spark about this one that I get a big kick out of is that Spock when perusing Flint's artworks he mentions the artist Reginald Pollack or Reggie as I knew him since we were goid chums back in the day and whose artwork I love. He was good friends with a lot of Trek producers and writers and they happily inserted him into the story. Fantastic reaction. ❤
That's very interesting. I always thought that perhaps they had wanted to use Jackson Pollock's name as one of the artist Flint had been, but couldn't get consent to use his name from his heirs, so they made up a similar name. When Spock mentions Reginald Pollack at 9:15 in this video, is the painting behind Kirk one of Reginald Pollack's paintings?
@luminiferous1960 not sure if that's a painting behind Kirk, but you can see a lot of Reggie!s paintings online which are often abstract tapestries with vibrant colors.
One of my favorites. Especially the final scene where after McCoy once again chides Spock for not showing or having emotions and love being beyond his comprehension he turns right around to help someone who he considers a brother to him forget the emotional pain and anguish of losing someone dear. That was love. Spock probably gets it more than anyone else on the ship.
Spock was the most emotionally-intelligent person in the episode. He figured out what Rayna was before anyone else, and tried to spare Kirk from finding out. Then he alone understood how Kirk and Flint’s struggle was affecting Rayna’s emerging emotions.
I've always enjoyed the drinking scene between the big three. When McCoy says that he's concerned about the alcohol disturbing Spock's "mathematically perfect brainwaves" is a call back to "The Squire of Gothos" Nice continuity and nice reaction Bunny! I can't wait for you to do the movies! Rayna or Reina is Spanish for Queen.
One thing I had noticed, but only after watching this episode for years. At 14:06 it shows the manuscript of the piece that Spock is supposedly playing. What it shows is not actually what Spock was playing, but it is a reproduction of a manuscript for an actual Brahms waltz, his Opus 39, no.1. Interesting.
Hi, Bunny. Your 2nd thought about Spock's mind-meld action in the final scene is correct. It was purposely written, so as to juxtapose Spock's unselfish gesture of love for his friend Jim, agaisnt McCoy's erroneous accusation that Spock will never know, nor feel love for another. Neither Kirk, nor McCoy, will probably ever know this pure act of love by Spock, for his friend Jim, nor the pain which Spock removed from Jim's mind & heart.
If you're tired of short stories, here are the full Robot novels written by Asimov: - The Caves of Steel (1954) - The Naked Sun (1957) - The Robots of Dawn (1983) - Robots and Empire (1985) In addition, Asimov had another famous series that he merged with his Robot novels in the '80s: - Foundation (1951) - Foundation and Empire (1952) - Second Foundation (1953) - Foundation's Edge (1982) - Foundation and Earth (1986) - Prelude to Foundation (1988) - Forward the Foundation (1993).
I would just say that she should start with "Caves of Steel", and go from there. Since the story is focused on Elijah Bailey, it is probably easier to get "hooked" on his personal story than the epic stories in the Foundation series. Plus, I'm guessing she will like "Jehoshaphat!"
If you like short stories, I would strongly suggest Nightfall, which is the short story that made Asimov's name in the genre. It is a stunning piece of writing and one of the best short stories I have ever read.
I highly recommend the screenplay for an I, Robot movie, by Harlan Ellison with Isaac Asimov's blessing. It's much closer to the novel, and has some color illustrations of scenes in the script. It would have made an excellent film, and maybe will be produced some day. It's elaborate FX are now possible. Ellison gave it a theme in the style of Citizen Kane.... A reporter is trying to put together an understanding of the life of the late, reclusive Susan Calvin.
This is one of my favorite episodes. People often complain about Kirk falling in love in 2 hours. The only explanation is that Rayna is in fact the "perfect, ultimate woman" and even horndog Kirk is totally blown away and smitten by her and can't help himself.
Yes, this episode was amazing. For all that you stated and the music too! As far as props ... the bottom of the M4 robot is actually the top of the Nomad probe ... with some on top leftover. All fun stuff. 🖖
If you want a moving Ellison story, look for, Jeffty Is Five. And for a wonderfully humorous story see, I'm Looking For Kadak; it's a Jewish science fiction story. I have a cassette tape of Harlan reading it on the radio, with a Yiddish accent and the different voices.
The guest actors and actresses on Star Trek the original series was superb they didn't hold anything back and I thought William Wyndham should have won an Emmy for commodore Decker
the bond between these three is just incredible, occasionally i go and peek back at your reaction to the film "Star Trek wrath of khan," and your comment on how you felt that these characters really had a deep friendship and wanted to explore the series. this was indeed an example of this . awesome.
@@bunnytailsREACTS By the way, thanks for showing these. I grew up watching Trek reruns on my local UHF channel as a kid in the 70s. It is a privilege to see someone from a younger generation truly appreciate how good(and occasionaly cheesy) some of this was. I do prefer the original bad special effects though. These are the remastered versions.
I love how much I am realizing the movies tied into the original series, and what a great character Spock is. Here, from compassion Spock makes Kirk forget, in Wrath of Khan while sacrificing himself, he melds with McCoy to have him remember.
The Enterprise on the table is the model available in stores to build at the time. I had two of them as a child. The same model was hanging outside the window of Space Station K-7. Vulcans have more intense emotions than humans & humans have weaker self-control. Minor correction (don't hate me!): the characters really _shone_ here. "Shined" means polished.
I had the great pleasure of seeing Harlan Ellison live in Calgary back in the late 70s. He read the story, Shatterday, for which he wrote a screenplay starring Bruce Willis for a reboot of the twilight zone. It was the pilot episode and an excellent story. He read other things as well. He was actually a very funny guy, but unfortunately, as we all know, humour often comes out of a lot of pain and he had a rough go as a younger person. He was good friends with Robin Williams and one of his best lifelong friends was Walter Koenig who plays Chekov on Star Trek. They met on an episode of Alfred Hitchcock presents where they were doing an adaptation of Harlan’s non-fiction book called, Memos From Purgatory. The book was an accounting of the author joining a gang in New York when he was a very young man, as a research project. He wanted to know why these kids were the way they were. It’s a pretty traumatic book and as he said in it, “I have cried for these kids, and I want you to cry for them too. “ Walter played a gang leader and he was actually scary as hell and that episode. Almost as scary as he was as Bestor in Babylon 5. Harlan Ellison could write anything including comedy. He dedicated his book of television critiques to Walter. I never forgot his critique of the first episode of the Partridge family. It was one line. Mother of God! 😂 One of my favourite writers, so prolific, so fearless.
Yeah, welcome to Harlan Ellison. Holy shit can he hit you in the gut! Additonally, this episode was writen by Jerome Bixby, who later wrote the screenplay for a movie called "The Man from Earth". The premise is along the same lines as this, a seemingly immortal man from deep in our past living to today. It has a cast composed almost entirely of Trek alumni and is well worth a watch!
"Words are not really my strong point" you said. I dunno, Bunny, I think you express yourself very well indeed. One thing that I'm so impressed with about these videos is the way you are able to intuit and communicate the meaning of these stories so well. I do agree that Kirk's interest in the girl seemed like of "rushed"; he doesn't usually fall in love quite so quickly, particularly with a crisis at hand. But I guess chalk it up to the demands of a weekly script? And to have McCoy still giving Spock grief about not understanding emotion after having multiple instances of the opposite seemed a bit off. But...I LOVED the last scene as another testimony of Spock's love for Kirk, which also brings up a moral question of "was that OK?". And the concept of one man being all of these historical geniuses in quite original! I'm glad you liked it; it's one I don't think about often but upon another viewing did appreciate more! Thanks Bunny!
As a fan of Brahms, I've always liked this one. The fake Brahms waltz is a pretty cool piece that was especially written for the episode. With respect to Spock's making Kirk forget, I've always felt that was a pretty creepy move, despite his good intentions. Thanks for sharing your reading with us, Bunny, I enjoyed that!
I think it's because Spock thought it was called for because of the fact Rayna was too perfect. And that it wasn't "a chance, natural encounter", but Kirk was literally manipulated into this for Flint's selfish gain. Kirk frankly needed help, to get back on track. This was outside the sphere of "minding one's own business". This was a real on-the-job injury, and Spock did the right thing.
We're in complete agreement on this one. Flawed, but it still packs an emotional wallop. Kirk's inappropriateness isn't the only problem, it also doesn't make sense that the ever curious Mr. Spock wouldn't run a tricorder reading on Rayna. Nonetheless, I find the episode deeply moving, and it's one of my favorites from season three, because of the characters of Flint and Rayna, and the performances, for the themes, but mainly for how it deepens the Kirk Spock relationship. If you think about it, Rayna is an attractive female version of Spock, so it makes sense Kirk would fall for her given his feelings for Spock and his penchant for blondes. The ending is exquisite, Spock proving that he is equally capable of love, not the kind of love McCoy is referring to but perhaps something deeper. Finally, I loved your response to Rayna's line, "He's the kindest, wisest, most brilliant man in the galaxy." My reaction is always, who told you that, Flint himself? Anyway, great reaction. It's gratifying that you're able to appreciate the positives of this much maligned episode. Jerome Bixby is one of ST's best writers, so it's possible the flaws were the result of rewriting, budget necessities, etc. Could it be better? No question. But I still love the version we have.
I submit that Spock did a tricorder reading on Reyna. Thus, he knew she was an android, as illustrated by the fact that he wanted to go into the lab and get the Ritalin, sparing Kirk from her true nature.
I've always wondered if Rayna's line was a callback to the line in The Manchurian Candidate (1962) "Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life," said by a character who had been brainwashed and hypnotized to repeat it whenever Shaw's name was mentioned.
Thanks for your review. I very much agree. It's a very interesting episode with layers of complexity that much television lacks. My main problem with the episode is also Kirk falling in love with Rayna. It just makes little sense for a few reasons. 1. Kirk as an experienced starship captain has as we know encountered women from many planets and yet always put his mission first. 2. I just can not believe as an experienced adult he would fall head over heels for a woman he just met, makes no sense. It seems Kirks "Love" for her is really just a "we had to do it in the episode for the story to make sense" plot device and to lead to the "Forget" moment with Spock. Overall I love the story of Flint, the reference to history and the impressive set decoration. It's an episode that I've come to appreciate in spite of it's flaws. It's close to "A" level TOS but due to the flaws falls to a strong "B+"
Hi thank you for the fun I didn't realize these classic Star Treks were so good, what an amazing concept of this immortal and Rayna the Android woman and now I want to watch the whole episode my boyfriend says it's good and definitely will check it out thanks my friend!! Happy New Year 25! Sophie Greene on deployment soon. 🎉
Yes, I know that. When I have a medical appointment or something that I am nervous about in a few hours, I can't relax. I just personally could not relate to how Kirk was acting under the circumstances.
I love that you are reading Golden Age SF. When I was young many of my values were formed by reading that SF. I was scared to death by _"I have no mouth . . ."_ when I read it in high school. Most people who are concerned about AI don't realize there was an earlier era when people feared computers could take over. The SF author that affected me most (and is still my favorite) was Ursula K. LeGuin
There was so much of importance in what motivates and drives all of us in this episode. Yes, this is very high on my list. I won't " forget" this one. Yes, you can see very much in Spocks eyes and more. Thank you for your reaction , Bunny. You do think and feel deeply. My favorite Trek reactor.
It always pleases me to no end to hear you say you really enjoyed one of my favorites. I love this episode. As usual, your powers of deduction were well in tune. Excellent review Bunny!
One of Asimov's best robot stories is not in "I, Robot". It's called "The Bicentennial Man", and it's really uplifting and heartwrenching at the same time. Do look it up. Harlan was a brilliant, witty, angry man. In the 80's, I worked at a science fiction bookstore called Dangerous Visions (after the anthology he edited), and he sometimes came into the store, and did signings there. At those events, he would set up a typewriter in the store window and write a short story; he did this to demystify the craft of writing and show everyone that it's a plain endeavor that only requires will and concentration. His writing is all over the map - some of it is dark and intense, but some of it is light and hilarious. (On that side, I recommend "How's the Night Life on Cissalda?", "Prince Mishkin and Hold the Relish", and especially "I'm Looking For Kadak".) A very interesting guy, he could be sweet and kind to those he found worthy, but those he didn't got nothing but scorn. One of his most famous encounters was at a convention when some fanboi whined at him (after saying something stupid) that he had a right to his opinion! To which Harlan replied, "NO, sir. You have the right to an _informed_ opinion. Nobody has the right to be ignorant." Wise words from a man who not only didn't suffer fools gladly, he didn't suffer fools AT ALL. Even though it had been many years since I'd last seen him, I mourned when he died. There'll never be anyone else like Harlan; they broked the mold when he was made.
I like the way this ending contrasts with "The Wrath of Khan" "Forget" "Remember" Speaking of which, I hope when you get back to that point that you'll rewatch Wrath of Khan, or at least rewatch your own reaction to it, as a refresher before you do the third film. Doesn't have to be on camera as a video, but just to have the second film's plot fresh in your mind before going into the third. A video could be cool too though if you decide to do that. To see how your perspective on that movie has changed going into it again after seeing the series and the first film. I'd watch that. Totally up to you.
@@bunnytailsREACTS That would be cool, but even if you just gave your thoughts from a rewatch at the beginning of the reaction video for the next film, that would be cool too.
I always found the Kirk falling in love in 2 hours a tough one but with the restrictions of the story and episodic TV it’s one of those things you just have to set aside and accept so we can get to the deeper story. For me the most impactful thing is Spock using the meld to allow Kirk to forget. And when we take the entire series and movies into account, that scene chokes me up bc I think it shows how much Spock cares about Jim. “I have been and ever shall be your friend.”
One thing I just thought of watching your reaction. If Spock made Kirk forget, that's gonna be an odd conversation with McCoy when he walks in tomorrow and asks him how he feels, or if he ever brings up Rayna. Or do you think that Spock found McCoy and made him forget as well? Tie up loose ends, as it were?
McCoy to Spock: "you'll never know the things that love can drive a man to." I dunno, Bones...that mind meld was a big ol' act of love, if I ever saw one. Granted Bones meant more romantic love, which Spock has experienced somewhat, but even so. I'm reminded of Spock's quote from "Spectre of the Gun" after Chekhov was shot: "They forget I AM half-human."
21:45- But it is a model. And not JUST a model. That three-foot model was THE first model of the Enterprise to be built for the show. The one that went missing for forty-five years until they found it in a storage locker over a year ago. That model is the stuff of legends!
I love this particular episode. I am enjoying your first watch reaction. We had two amazing guest stars in this episode. I don’t think the camera was blurry on your channel. Excellent observation on McCoy’s last comment to Spock. We know that Spock was in love 2 times on the show at this point
I have waited sooo long for you to get here. It's especially relevant now that you recently read I Robot. Spock making Kirk forget at the end is both compassionate and creepy. Better yet it makes him alien which they really manage to accomplish on occasion in the series. This is absolutely one of my favorite episodes, flaws and all. Just the idea of an immortal human that has had to hide his true nature from the rest of humanity for thousands of years is incredible. What if there are other immortal humans who are just as careful about hiding their immortality? Flint may not need to have been alone all these centuries if only they discovered each other!
"M" often stands for "model" so the M5 computer was Daystrom's fifth attempt at creating a computer that could run a starship and M4 is presumably Flint's fourth mechanical butler. So glad you read and enjoyed Asimov's "I, Robot." I loved that one as a kid. I also really liked his Foundation trilogy. Harlan Ellison does have a more lighthearted side too. Years ago I worked on a comic book that had a Harlan Ellison pastiche character. At a convention our writer showed Ellison a copy of the comic book, and he was delighted. Told the conventioneers to go out and buy it right away. Best selling issue we ever had (though our book only lasted five issues in print -- we had to go to webcomic format to finish the story).
A lovely reaction. I used to adore this episode as a very young person, although as I grew older, I began to see flaws that I won't bring up. Certainly the idea of an immortal who has done so many great and beautiful things, and who has suffered so much loss, is a refrain in science fiction, over a great many works over the years. I'd mention Robert Heinlein's novel "Time Enough for Love" (1973), Alfred Bester's "The Computer Connection" (1975), and the fourth Dune novel, "God Emperor of Dune" (1981) as examples. (It's also suggested, but never stated outright, in Walter M. Miller's "A Canticle for Liebowitz" (1959). This was my first exposure to that trope, and it really bowled me over. I have always maintained that Spock's act at the end of the episode is a refutation of McCoy's statement. McCoy says, "The word 'love' isn't written into your book." Spock's silent answer is, "You're wrong: I love Jim Kirk."
After Star Trek was cancelled, it was STILL broadcast as repeats all throughout the summer of '69 on NBC! I understand "Requiem for Methuselah" was the very final episode broadcast on network television on NBC, Tuesday September 2nd at 7:30 pm. The following Monday, September 8th, Star Trek premiered in syndication, first on WPIX channel 11 in NYC, my hometown station. It was in this first year that I started watching as a toddler of 3.
I think we're ALL looking forward to next week's reaction! (Yay, brother.) Can't wait to see the thumbnail ;) By the way, congrats on finishing TOS (having now posted all the episodes on Patreon).
The exterior shots of Flint’s house were re used from “the cage” the original pilot for the show. Changed a little and of course digitally improved back in the early 2000’s. You’re right tho. His crew is getting sick and Kirk is like “heyyyyy! I’ve got a couple of hours.”
I thought it was a little odd how hard he fell for Rayna. I know it was required of the story. It just seemed this episode had too much happening at one time. But excellent. acting.
One of the most powerful scenes in the series...
"Forget."
@@Dark_Walker_ and then later: "Remember".
BunnyTails, you've become quite the Trek expert 🙂Live long and prosper !
The anguish in Flint's voice as he kneels over Rayna and says, "You... can't die!" always gets to me. That's darn good acting, wouldn't you say?
Yes, indeed!
The coolest thing to me is you utilizing the little grey cells while you ask the proper questions. Oh. Happy New Year. You made my year. Peace
Happy New Year!
"I don't think we have the time..."
"...Um, on second thought."
The guy playing methuselah is from Suffern NY my hometown. His kids also from Suffern are actors Tyne Daly and her brother from TV.
Kirk gets punched out by Da Vinci. That's the kind of thing you don't see often.
Janeway watching on, confused.
@@TroyConvers5000 "James Kirk even claimed to have met him once."
There is a little clue as to Rayna's true nature in her surname Kapec. Czech playwright Karel Čapek (1890- 1938) coined the term "robot" in his 1920 play "R.U.R. (Rossum's Universal Robots)".
Good call!
Mr.Flint wanted a perfect,ultimate women,as Mr.Spock said in the episode.I,Robot was a story that was in the outer limits episode of the early 1960”s.I don’t know if I’ve ever read a dark Harlen Ellison 📕 book?I guess,it’s something to investigate,🔬 here?We’ll see,I guess?The first dark book 📚 that I have ever read was;Clockwork Orange 🍊 by Anthony Burgess.And it was based on a real crime!Yikes!😮
Yes,I agree….that Mr.Flint had lived through these times,too!He wanted that perfect 🤩 women for himself!But,don’t all men want that in today’s world?🌎 I felt that the Enterprise crew needed Doctor McCoy’s help.Yet,it looked like 👍 they were going to get help?Again,I’ll have to investigate 🔬 this book 📕,and see where the story goes.I like the fact that Spock warns Captain 🧑✈️ Kirk of the danger ⚠️ of giving Rayna emotions…..and then,boom!It’s over in a flash.I also like it when Doctor McCoy say’s;he’ll live out the remainder of his life,than die.”On that day,I’ll morn,”Spock says.Which means,yes….it would be hard to accept this death 💀 after living such a full life!I always liked this episode whenever I saw 👀 it!😊
Thanks bunny for such a perceptive evaluation of this episode….. always love when you shed a tear….. it’s nice to know when something triggers similar emotions in others as we watch these episodes together….
This was not the first time William Shatner and Louise Sorel worked together. They played husband and wife in an episode of Route 66. Bill Theiss was the costume designer and made so many wonderful costumes for the female characters in particular.
This was the absolutely LAST appearance of the 3 foot Enterprise.....it was just found last year!
It was actually on eBay for a few hours for I believe $1,000 before they realized what they had ... and that is was worth WAY over that!
Bunny, the ending was one of the best in the series McCoy shows a surprising lack of understanding at the end. He accuses Spock of having no conception of love, then Spock commits an extremely loving act--relieving his closest friend of his pain. The contrast between McCoy's words and Spock's action make Spock's gesture that much more poignant.
I'm not sure I'd call the non-consensual erasure of someone's memories a loving act...
McCoy seems to forget he is half human and doesn't have to live completely by the Vulcan rule book though he portrays as such.
I like how giant Kirk looked in on the crew. It's like he caught them standing around doing nothing!
I've always really liked this episode. The thought of an immortal witnessing all of that history was so fascinating to me. I love the way Flint recounts the Black Plague that wiped out much of Europe in the 14th century. He still remembers the rats rustling and squealing in the night as they too died and it still traumatizes him some 1000 years later. Such a great scene. I also like when he reveals himself to be immortal. This episode was part of the reason I got into history when I was younger. Great reaction Bunnytails!
The graphic of Flint's home was added with the new remastering. In the past, it was the same castle we'd seen many times in other episodes (Rigel 7 was one example).
James Daly (Flint) had a very successful career in film, theater and television. He starred in the popular TV series "Hallmark Hall of Fame" and "Medical Center" for several years. I remember him being in the original "Planet of The Apes" film (1968), in which he played an ape scientist. GREAT FILM!
His two children, Tyne and Tim Daly, are also very successful actors. Tim Daly was the voice of Clark Kent/Superman in "Superman: The Animated Series" as well as several animated films. Tyne is an Emmy and Tony award winning actress who starred in the TV series "Cagney and Lacey" and "Judging Amy".
OMG, Tyne Daly is his daughter! She was also in 'The Enforcer'.
Yes, Tyne Daly was in the 3rd Dirty Harry movie 'The Enforcer" in 1975.😊
Wasn't Tyne Daly also on that Clint Eastwood movie The enforcer?
@@lavellhall7650Yup.
@@LesterManley-s9n 1976.
So glad you enjoyed "I, Robot." Asimov was one of the giants of the golden age of science fiction, and his output was prodigious.
Ellison was part of the new wave movement in the 60's and 70's. Yes, his work is often dark, but thought provoking. Probably why it appealed so much when I was in my teens and twenties. Who could resist book titles like "Approaching Oblivion", "Deathbird Stories" or "Alone Against Tomorrow"?
Always interested to hear what you're reading next!
I read the science history books by Asimov. everything in there for Science(fiction) authors to know.
Flint was the original Highlander! Nomad was the original M-4!
The composer of the Brahms waltz was Ivan Ditmars, a well known Hollywood composer and musician. At the end of his life, lived in the same sleepy beach resort town as Ravi Shankar, who was famous for fusing Indian classical music with Western pop music. They must have known each other.
John Daly was a regular cast member of the medical drama series "Medical Center" with Chad Everett.
Louise Sorel worked with John Daly again as a guest star on "Medical Center". She also worked with Shatner as a guest star on "Barbary Coast" and later in the movie "Airplane II: The Sequel". She has also played villains in several soap operas, appearing in "Days of Our Lives" as recently as last year.
Spock's mind meld at the end of this episode was an incredible expression of empathy and compassion. But it's also kind of creepy, and it's potentially a pretty scary weapon.
And Rayna is the original Replicant! (At least that was my impression of the last version of her.)
I totally remember Louise Sorel on DOOL years ago. Quite the scenery chewer.
I would love for Bunny to "react" to Highlander the Series! I loved that show back in high school (I graduated 1996) 🙂
@@djnary2896 I thought the "first replicant" title was taken by the Maschinenmensh in Metropolis (1927).
@@paulsander5433 yeah. I can see that. ;)
As you noted, Bunny, Spock's act of mercy in easing Kirk's emotional pain is rooted in empathy, not dispassionate logic. And seeing that sense of loyalty to his captain -- which is so revealing of Spock's core and essence -- was also so reminiscent of The Menagerie, when we saw him willing to commit mutiny and risk everything ... just to alleviate his former captain's suffering.
Plus, repay a debt.
Spock was also acting on his empathy and concern for Kirk when Spock blocks the way and says he will get the ryetalyn from the "forbidden" room. He does this not because of the potential danger, but because he has figured out that Rayna is an android and suspects that room is where she was built and may contain something that will reveal that to Kirk, which will be devastating to Kirk since he has fallen in love with Rayna.
That's the way that scene played to me when I first saw it since I had deduced that Rayna was an android in whom Flint wanted to develop emotions when Flint said "The last tender encounter Captain Kirk to end your usefulness." This reminded me of Kirk awakening emotions in the female android Andrea in the episode "What Are Little Girls Made Of?"
It also perfectly sets up "Remember" 13-14 years later
Nice connection to The Menagerie!
@@bunnytailsREACTS A connection to _'The Menagerie'_ ? How so?
Only Kirk can fall in love in 8 minutes. And he did it dozens of times.
Once he saw Rayna, he seemed to forget his ship and crew. A total departure from "Nothing is more important than my ship."
@@cwill1098 Extreme dramatic compression.
@@cwill1098 True, but all that could be done for the crew was being done at the time.
Spock does know how Kirk feels. As a Vulcan every seven years as an adult Spock has to gets some and knows how crazy a man gets when he is in Love and needs a woman.
It's always astounding to see how you notice every detail (they sensed only 1 human) and figure things out. Maybe we would have, if we weren't kids in our first viewing, but I think most wouldn't do as well as you do.
I liked that you homed in on the way Spock was written in this episode; I thought it was a really interesting contrast to "That Which Survives" from a couple of weeks ago. It was significant that he was the one who was aware that Rayna might be endangered by the feelings being awakened in her.
He knows Kirk has a habit of talking computers to death
Ah Kirk, never let a crisis of epic proportions stop you from getting a little space nookie lol.
This episode Spock tells Kirk to forget, and tells McCoy to remember in The Wraith of Khan
Wraith of Khan? Is that a Nazgul?
The episode was written by Jerome Bixby, who revisited the concept in a movie script he completed on his deathbed in 1998 and which was filmed in 2007, after his death. "The Man From Earth" is a very interesting movie, but very much like a theatre play, mostly consisting of discussions.
The model of the Enterprise was the first model of the Enterprise built. Gene Roddenberry kept it on his desk, but in the late 70s during preparations of the planned Star Trek Phase II series (which later evolved into the first movie) the model was loaned out to a special effects company and disappeared. It was finally found last year and given back to the Roddenberry family.
Oh, so it is the same model!
Yes, if you enjoyed this episode, you need to watch The Man From Earth.
Excellent movie.
12:00 - " Chess, Billiards, Conversation?"
"Why not all three?"
I love the way Kirk's mind works
Although we all know he had a fourth activity in mind.
@michaeldavid6284 😉
As one other Vulcan you might encounter one day, "Vulcans appreciate beauty".
Kirk is a passionate, despite his inclination to find a more balanced way. When women are concerned, if he's in love, he's in love. If he uses one for tactical advantage, he does. 100% dedicated to his goal.
Spock already showed empathy before, in the Menagerie with handicapped Capt Pike, risking his carreer to give his former captain a chance of a more agreeable life. Also, in another episode, Spock felt the death of 400 Vulcans on a distant starship when it was destroyed (Doomsday Machine?) and told McCoy that Vulcan heart seemed immeasurably big compared to Human's heart. Vulcans simply chose to simply IGNORE their emotions and not show them but they still there.
There sarcasm in what Bone"s is saying to Spock because he knows that Spock really feels things and hides behind logic...He's using sarcasm to get Spock to realize what Kirk is goin through... and it worked because Spock put a forget spell on Kirk at the end!
Agreed. He knows that in Spock's case, he's half human, so he's supressing what partial emotions he is in fact feeling. It did seem like a jab out of the blue.
Can you even imagine what it would be like to have a conversation with Flint? Talk about a man who’s seen everything.
That would be fascinating for sure!
@@JKM395 Mel Brooks as the 2000 year old man: Trek edition.
@@TroyConvers5000 You know, I could live with that.
POWERFUL episode from season 3. Star Trek at its finest, mystery and intrigue; and the reveal{s} were very emotional.
My favorite episode. Great story, powerfully emotional conclusion. Shrinking the ship ... yes don't mess with him. That model, Gene Roddenberry's that he would display on his desk also and used in some other effects shots (Where No Man Has Gone Before for example) was missing for decades and was recently found in an abandoned storage garage ... now passed to Roddenberry's son Rod. Lovely waltz piece composed for this episode. A predicted flat panel television also. And Happy New Year Bunny!
Happy New Year, Michael!
Love the reaction videos. Very thoughtful approach.
Thank you!
I've always loved this episode. Spock's behavior in this one really gets to me every time. His friendship with Kirk and always trying to protect his captain while simultaneously being true to his Vulcan heritage. Flint is a complicated character, and Spock's admiration adds an additional layer to the episode for me.
Your reaction and commentary were excellent. Harlan Ellison is quite the character. He was on many talk shows and has had many interviews on camera that are always "interesting" including one on The Tomorrow Show with Tom Snyder, where he appeared with Walter Koenig and James Doohan.
Amazing how the emotionless Vulcan is the only one who understands the conflict of emotions going on inside what should be an emotionless robot. Somehow I think this makes sense.
@@rdistinti Spock is not emotionless. Vulcans have stronger emotions than humans, but they suppress them. Spock being half human, is not as good as full Vulcans at suppressing his emotions. Spock is always struggling to suppress his emotions, which is why he understands Rayna's struggle with her emotions and Kirk's emotional pain at the end.
From Memory Alpha:
Contrary to stereotype, Vulcans possess strong emotions. They use meditation as a way to suppress those emotions. For instance, emotions like remorse, relief, joy, and embarrassment were all displayed by Spock when he thought Captain Kirk was dead and then saw him alive. (TOS: "Amok Time"). Indeed, Vulcan emotions were far more intense, violent, and passionate than those of many other species, including even Humans. (TNG: "Sarek")
It was this passionate, explosive emotionality that Vulcans blamed for the vicious cycle of wars which nearly devastated their planet. As such, they focused their mental energies on mastering them. The essence of their logical society was in arriving at the truth through logical process. Emotions were illogical, thus making them impure, and deterrent to truth. Vulcans were born with the same emotions that afflicted their violent ancestors, but continual mental conditioning generally gave them the impassivity they sought. (TAS: "Yesteryear")...
Despite their suppression of emotions, Vulcans still have them, and sometimes their violent nature resurfaces. Spock was vulnerable to polywater intoxication, and when he was infected, he was sobbing, having regretted his inability to express his love for his mother. In addition, surprise, combined with strong emotion, made Spock (who was half-Human as well as half-Vulcan) lose control for a brief moment. (TOS: "Amok Time")
[SPOILERS BELOW]
The Bendii Syndrome was an illness which makes elderly Vulcans lose their emotional control. (TNG: "Sarek") After a mind meld with Lon Suder, Tuvok's emotional system was traumatized, resulting in him losing some of his own control, becoming dangerous and violent. (VOY: "Meld") In a later point, Tuvok laughed when his identity was erased to make him a laborer on the Quarren homeworld. (VOY: "Workforce")
The late Harlan could get a bit intense at times.
His work wasn't solely SF, plenty of it was in the category of speculative fiction.
Going from I, Robot to Harlan Ellison is brutal, I have no mouth and I must scream is an exploration of suffering on all levels. Robin Williams did a radio version of Repent, I think I have a copy somewhere on my hard drive, and there is a great audio interview of Robin and Harlan here on TH-cam. Both of them are just exploding with character, I adore them both.
"I have no mouth and I must scream" really messed me up as a child. I had never been so affected by a story before. I spent the rest of my teens reading a lot of Asimov and Ellison and others and envy you being at the beginning of the journey.
One of my favorite Asimov novels is not talked about much: The Gods Themselves. Creative approach to gender identity for its time.
Yeah, it was quite the brutal contrast. I wasn't prepared!
Note the Flat Screen LCD TV foretold of in 1969!
This episode had one of my favorite quotes..
Dr. McCoy: You have been such men, you've known and created such beauty [...] yet, now you would do this to us? Flint: The flowers of my past; I hold the nettles of the present.
Yes, the Sage wisdom of the slightly older McCoy is on full display in that scene and it's f**king awesome.
He won't be that great again until Star Trek 5. One of the few great moments in that movie.
impressed you liked this most reviewers don’t. i love it too
I am seeing some complaints about certain things not making sense, and I pointed out a few of them myself. Despite that, I still really enjoyed the ideas and emotions presented!
I love it too. The ending is so powerful and reveals so much about Spock.
One of my favorite episodes for all the reasons you mentioned. One particular spark about this one that I get a big kick out of is that Spock when perusing Flint's artworks he mentions the artist Reginald Pollack or Reggie as I knew him since we were goid chums back in the day and whose artwork I love. He was good friends with a lot of Trek producers and writers and they happily inserted him into the story. Fantastic reaction. ❤
That's very interesting. I always thought that perhaps they had wanted to use Jackson Pollock's name as one of the artist Flint had been, but couldn't get consent to use his name from his heirs, so they made up a similar name.
When Spock mentions Reginald Pollack at 9:15 in this video, is the painting behind Kirk one of Reginald Pollack's paintings?
@luminiferous1960 not sure if that's a painting behind Kirk, but you can see a lot of Reggie!s paintings online which are often abstract tapestries with vibrant colors.
Louise sorel who played Rayna had a long career in soap opera particularly days of our lives. She's still with us at age 84
She recently returned to Days of Our Lives as Vivian Alamain!
One of my favorites. Especially the final scene where after McCoy once again chides Spock for not showing or having emotions and love being beyond his comprehension he turns right around to help someone who he considers a brother to him forget the emotional pain and anguish of losing someone dear. That was love. Spock probably gets it more than anyone else on the ship.
I don't think McCoy was chiding him, not this time. I think he genuinely felt sorry for Spock in that moment
Spock was the most emotionally-intelligent person in the episode. He figured out what Rayna was before anyone else, and tried to spare Kirk from finding out. Then he alone understood how Kirk and Flint’s struggle was affecting Rayna’s emerging emotions.
Spock did the mind meld because he loves his friend
I really love this episode. I don't think it gets enough attention. So glad you enjoyed it, too!
I've always enjoyed the drinking scene between the big three. When McCoy says that he's concerned about the alcohol disturbing Spock's "mathematically perfect brainwaves" is a call back to "The Squire of Gothos" Nice continuity and nice reaction Bunny! I can't wait for you to do the movies! Rayna or Reina is Spanish for Queen.
One thing I had noticed, but only after watching this episode for years. At 14:06 it shows the manuscript of the piece that Spock is supposedly playing. What it shows is not actually what Spock was playing, but it is a reproduction of a manuscript for an actual Brahms waltz, his Opus 39, no.1. Interesting.
Hi, Bunny. Your 2nd thought about Spock's mind-meld action in the final scene is correct. It was purposely written, so as to juxtapose Spock's unselfish gesture of love for his friend Jim, agaisnt McCoy's erroneous accusation that Spock will never know, nor feel love for another.
Neither Kirk, nor McCoy, will probably ever know this pure act of love by Spock, for his friend Jim, nor the pain which Spock removed from Jim's mind & heart.
Isaac Asimov and Dr. Zeius were separated at birth, and no one can convince me otherwise lol
If you're tired of short stories, here are the full Robot novels written by Asimov:
- The Caves of Steel (1954)
- The Naked Sun (1957)
- The Robots of Dawn (1983)
- Robots and Empire (1985)
In addition, Asimov had another famous series that he merged with his Robot novels in the '80s:
- Foundation (1951)
- Foundation and Empire (1952)
- Second Foundation (1953)
- Foundation's Edge (1982)
- Foundation and Earth (1986)
- Prelude to Foundation (1988)
- Forward the Foundation (1993).
I would just say that she should start with "Caves of Steel", and go from there.
Since the story is focused on Elijah Bailey, it is probably easier to get "hooked" on his personal story than the epic stories in the Foundation series.
Plus, I'm guessing she will like "Jehoshaphat!"
There are also additional robot short stories, and the original Bicentennial Man novella, in The Complete Robot.
If you like short stories, I would strongly suggest Nightfall, which is the short story that made Asimov's name in the genre. It is a stunning piece of writing and one of the best short stories I have ever read.
I highly recommend the screenplay for an I, Robot movie, by Harlan Ellison with Isaac Asimov's blessing. It's much closer to the novel, and has some color illustrations of scenes in the script. It would have made an excellent film, and maybe will be produced some day. It's elaborate FX are now possible. Ellison gave it a theme in the style of Citizen Kane.... A reporter is trying to put together an understanding of the life of the late, reclusive Susan Calvin.
Yup! And the reporter angle isn’t the only element Ellison paid tribute to in his script…
This is one of my favorite episodes. People often complain about Kirk falling in love in 2 hours. The only explanation is that Rayna is in fact the "perfect, ultimate woman" and even horndog Kirk is totally blown away and smitten by her and can't help himself.
i come for your reactions ☺ ...but i STAY FOR YOUR THOUGHTS! 😁 both your reactions and comments are EXCELLENT! 👍
Thanks!
4 hours on the planet and Kirk went through an entire relationship leading to heartbreak.
Some people just live life fast and wild!
Yes, this episode was amazing. For all that you stated and the music too! As far as props ... the bottom of the M4 robot is actually the top of the Nomad probe ... with some on top leftover. All fun stuff. 🖖
If you want a moving Ellison story, look for, Jeffty Is Five. And for a wonderfully humorous story see, I'm Looking For Kadak; it's a Jewish science fiction story. I have a cassette tape of Harlan reading it on the radio, with a Yiddish accent and the different voices.
Great watchalong, Bunny! I enjoyed it.
I'm glad! Thanks!
The guest actors and actresses on Star Trek the original series was superb they didn't hold anything back and I thought William Wyndham should have won an Emmy for commodore Decker
“forget” is one of greatest lines in trek history
How about "remember"?
Fans back in the day LOVED that final scene with Spock and Kirk.
Also a favorite of mine; beautifully written, acted, and appointed. One of DeForest Kelly's best speeches I feel.
Thank you bunny. I really enjoyed this reaction. Happy new year and live long and prosper.
Thanks!
The whole Robot series is worth reading.
This for me was probably one of the best episodes of the 3rd season along with, "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield".
I'm glad, that you loved this episode too. 🥲
the bond between these three is just incredible, occasionally i go and peek back at your reaction to the film "Star Trek wrath of khan," and your comment on how you felt that these characters really had a deep friendship and wanted to explore the series. this was indeed an example of this . awesome.
It's the Kirk/Spock/Bones dynamic that really sets TOS apart. I like the TNG cast, but, for me at least, TOS is on a whole other level.
@@stuffyouotterlistento1461 you nailed it. the whole bridge command crew id say, but the three mains, and it gelled so naturally .
Don't forget. Harlan Ellison wrote Star Trek episode the City on the Edge of Forever. He was pissed that they changed the script.
Yup, that's one of the reasons I picked that book out :)
@@bunnytailsREACTS By the way, thanks for showing these. I grew up watching Trek reruns on my local UHF channel as a kid in the 70s. It is a privilege to see someone from a younger generation truly appreciate how good(and occasionaly cheesy) some of this was. I do prefer the original bad special effects though. These are the remastered versions.
You’re welcome!!
I love how much I am realizing the movies tied into the original series, and what a great character Spock is. Here, from compassion Spock makes Kirk forget, in Wrath of Khan while sacrificing himself, he melds with McCoy to have him remember.
The Enterprise on the table is the model available in stores to build at the time. I had two of them as a child. The same model was hanging outside the window of Space Station K-7.
Vulcans have more intense emotions than humans & humans have weaker self-control.
Minor correction (don't hate me!): the characters really _shone_ here. "Shined" means polished.
I had the great pleasure of seeing Harlan Ellison live in Calgary back in the late 70s. He read the story, Shatterday, for which he wrote a screenplay starring Bruce Willis for a reboot of the twilight zone. It was the pilot episode and an excellent story.
He read other things as well. He was actually a very funny guy, but unfortunately, as we all know, humour often comes out of a lot of pain and he had a rough go as a younger person.
He was good friends with Robin Williams and one of his best lifelong friends was Walter Koenig who plays Chekov on Star Trek.
They met on an episode of Alfred Hitchcock presents where they were doing an adaptation of Harlan’s non-fiction book called, Memos From Purgatory. The book was an accounting of the author joining a gang in New York when he was a very young man, as a research project. He wanted to know why these kids were the way they were. It’s a pretty traumatic book and as he said in it, “I have cried for these kids, and I want you to cry for them too. “
Walter played a gang leader and he was actually scary as hell and that episode. Almost as scary as he was as Bestor in Babylon 5.
Harlan Ellison could write anything including comedy.
He dedicated his book of television critiques to Walter. I never forgot his critique of the first episode of the Partridge family. It was one line.
Mother of God! 😂
One of my favourite writers, so prolific, so fearless.
Susan Dey was horrible at trying to fake playing keyboards.
The show concept was inspired by the Cowsills.
Yeah, welcome to Harlan Ellison. Holy shit can he hit you in the gut!
Additonally, this episode was writen by Jerome Bixby, who later wrote the screenplay for a movie called "The Man from Earth". The premise is along the same lines as this, a seemingly immortal man from deep in our past living to today. It has a cast composed almost entirely of Trek alumni and is well worth a watch!
"Words are not really my strong point" you said. I dunno, Bunny, I think you express yourself very well indeed. One thing that I'm so impressed with about these videos is the way you are able to intuit and communicate the meaning of these stories so well. I do agree that Kirk's interest in the girl seemed like of "rushed"; he doesn't usually fall in love quite so quickly, particularly with a crisis at hand. But I guess chalk it up to the demands of a weekly script? And to have McCoy still giving Spock grief about not understanding emotion after having multiple instances of the opposite seemed a bit off. But...I LOVED the last scene as another testimony of Spock's love for Kirk, which also brings up a moral question of "was that OK?". And the concept of one man being all of these historical geniuses in quite original! I'm glad you liked it; it's one I don't think about often but upon another viewing did appreciate more! Thanks Bunny!
Thanks Raven!
"It is a thirst... A Flower dying in the desert" I never forgot that. and I have felt that way before. (I wish I could forget)
As a fan of Brahms, I've always liked this one. The fake Brahms waltz is a pretty cool piece that was especially written for the episode. With respect to Spock's making Kirk forget, I've always felt that was a pretty creepy move, despite his good intentions. Thanks for sharing your reading with us, Bunny, I enjoyed that!
Always wondered who wrote that waltz, it's very well done!
@@kojiattwood I've seen references to it on the Web as "Brahms Paraphrase" by Ivan Ditmars.
I think it's because Spock thought it was called for because of the fact Rayna was too perfect. And that it wasn't "a chance, natural encounter", but Kirk was literally manipulated into this for Flint's selfish gain. Kirk frankly needed help, to get back on track. This was outside the sphere of "minding one's own business". This was a real on-the-job injury, and Spock did the right thing.
We're in complete agreement on this one. Flawed, but it still packs an emotional wallop. Kirk's inappropriateness isn't the only problem, it also doesn't make sense that the ever curious Mr. Spock wouldn't run a tricorder reading on Rayna. Nonetheless, I find the episode deeply moving, and it's one of my favorites from season three, because of the characters of Flint and Rayna, and the performances, for the themes, but mainly for how it deepens the Kirk Spock relationship. If you think about it, Rayna is an attractive female version of Spock, so it makes sense Kirk would fall for her given his feelings for Spock and his penchant for blondes. The ending is exquisite, Spock proving that he is equally capable of love, not the kind of love McCoy is referring to but perhaps something deeper. Finally, I loved your response to Rayna's line, "He's the kindest, wisest, most brilliant man in the galaxy." My reaction is always, who told you that, Flint himself? Anyway, great reaction. It's gratifying that you're able to appreciate the positives of this much maligned episode. Jerome Bixby is one of ST's best writers, so it's possible the flaws were the result of rewriting, budget necessities, etc. Could it be better? No question. But I still love the version we have.
I submit that Spock did a tricorder reading on Reyna. Thus, he knew she was an android, as illustrated by the fact that he wanted to go into the lab and get the Ritalin, sparing Kirk from her true nature.
I've always wondered if Rayna's line was a callback to the line in The Manchurian Candidate (1962) "Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life," said by a character who had been brainwashed and hypnotized to repeat it whenever Shaw's name was mentioned.
Thanks for your review. I very much agree. It's a very interesting episode with layers of complexity that much television lacks. My main problem with the episode is also Kirk falling in love with Rayna. It just makes little sense for a few reasons. 1. Kirk as an experienced starship captain has as we know encountered women from many planets and yet always put his mission first. 2. I just can not believe as an experienced adult he would fall head over heels for a woman he just met, makes no sense. It seems Kirks "Love" for her is really just a "we had to do it in the episode for the story to make sense" plot device and to lead to the "Forget" moment with Spock. Overall I love the story of Flint, the reference to history and the impressive set decoration. It's an episode that I've come to appreciate in spite of it's flaws. It's close to "A" level TOS but due to the flaws falls to a strong "B+"
Tangent, there is I think the term is, "slash fiction" ( fan fiction ) about K. & Spock getting sexually involved.
Fun fact: The Enterprise model was used in the pilot "The Cage" and is the one seen in the credits.
Hi thank you for the fun I didn't realize these classic Star Treks were so good, what an amazing concept of this immortal and Rayna the Android woman and now I want to watch the whole episode my boyfriend says it's good and definitely will check it out thanks my friend!! Happy New Year 25! Sophie Greene on deployment soon. 🎉
I never understood just how Kirk could fall in love so many times.....must have been exhausting!
They had to wait for McCoy to finish processing the medicine, there is nothing they can do till after he has finished.
Yes, I know that. When I have a medical appointment or something that I am nervous about in a few hours, I can't relax. I just personally could not relate to how Kirk was acting under the circumstances.
I love that you are reading Golden Age SF. When I was young many of my values were formed by reading that SF. I was scared to death by _"I have no mouth . . ."_ when I read it in high school. Most people who are concerned about AI don't realize there was an earlier era when people feared computers could take over. The SF author that affected me most (and is still my favorite) was Ursula K. LeGuin
Rayna is on my Top Five Favorite Females of TOS.
This is also on of my favorite TOS episodes.
I am glad you were tracking so well with this one.
There was so much of importance in what motivates and drives all of us in this episode.
Yes, this is very high on my list.
I won't " forget" this one. Yes, you can see very much in Spocks eyes and more.
Thank you for your reaction , Bunny. You do think and feel deeply. My favorite Trek reactor.
It always pleases me to no end to hear you say you really enjoyed one of my favorites. I love this episode.
As usual, your powers of deduction were well in tune. Excellent review Bunny!
Thanks!
One of Asimov's best robot stories is not in "I, Robot". It's called "The Bicentennial Man", and it's really uplifting and heartwrenching at the same time. Do look it up.
Harlan was a brilliant, witty, angry man. In the 80's, I worked at a science fiction bookstore called Dangerous Visions (after the anthology he edited), and he sometimes came into the store, and did signings there. At those events, he would set up a typewriter in the store window and write a short story; he did this to demystify the craft of writing and show everyone that it's a plain endeavor that only requires will and concentration. His writing is all over the map - some of it is dark and intense, but some of it is light and hilarious. (On that side, I recommend "How's the Night Life on Cissalda?", "Prince Mishkin and Hold the Relish", and especially "I'm Looking For Kadak".) A very interesting guy, he could be sweet and kind to those he found worthy, but those he didn't got nothing but scorn. One of his most famous encounters was at a convention when some fanboi whined at him (after saying something stupid) that he had a right to his opinion! To which Harlan replied, "NO, sir. You have the right to an _informed_ opinion. Nobody has the right to be ignorant." Wise words from a man who not only didn't suffer fools gladly, he didn't suffer fools AT ALL. Even though it had been many years since I'd last seen him, I mourned when he died. There'll never be anyone else like Harlan; they broked the mold when he was made.
When you watch Next Gen and Voyager, remember this episode.
I will try not to... "forget"
I like the way this ending contrasts with "The Wrath of Khan"
"Forget"
"Remember"
Speaking of which, I hope when you get back to that point that you'll rewatch Wrath of Khan, or at least rewatch your own reaction to it, as a refresher before you do the third film. Doesn't have to be on camera as a video, but just to have the second film's plot fresh in your mind before going into the third. A video could be cool too though if you decide to do that. To see how your perspective on that movie has changed going into it again after seeing the series and the first film. I'd watch that. Totally up to you.
In her Q&A video she said that she will indeed be rewatching Wrath of Khan!
I will probably do a Patreon movie night for the Wrath of Kahn re-watch. I'll record it and I might or might not edit it for YT.
@@bunnytailsREACTS That would be cool, but even if you just gave your thoughts from a rewatch at the beginning of the reaction video for the next film, that would be cool too.
I always found the Kirk falling in love in 2 hours a tough one but with the restrictions of the story and episodic TV it’s one of those things you just have to set aside and accept so we can get to the deeper story.
For me the most impactful thing is Spock using the meld to allow Kirk to forget.
And when we take the entire series and movies into account, that scene chokes me up bc I think it shows how much Spock cares about Jim. “I have been and ever shall be your friend.”
Yes, this is a very good episode, particularly among those of the third season.
One thing I just thought of watching your reaction. If Spock made Kirk forget, that's gonna be an odd conversation with McCoy when he walks in tomorrow and asks him how he feels, or if he ever brings up Rayna. Or do you think that Spock found McCoy and made him forget as well? Tie up loose ends, as it were?
8:59 pretty cool oled flat screen for 1968... dont you think? Also, Highlander got alot of inspiration from the character of Flint.
Excellent book update, thanks! Really enjoyed your thoughts.
I am glad, and thanks for saying so!
McCoy to Spock: "you'll never know the things that love can drive a man to." I dunno, Bones...that mind meld was a big ol' act of love, if I ever saw one. Granted Bones meant more romantic love, which Spock has experienced somewhat, but even so. I'm reminded of Spock's quote from "Spectre of the Gun" after Chekhov was shot: "They forget I AM half-human."
21:45- But it is a model. And not JUST a model. That three-foot model was THE first model of the Enterprise to be built for the show. The one that went missing for forty-five years until they found it in a storage locker over a year ago. That model is the stuff of legends!
I love this particular episode. I am enjoying your first watch reaction. We had two amazing guest stars in this episode. I don’t think the camera was blurry on your channel. Excellent observation on McCoy’s last comment to Spock. We know that Spock was in love 2 times on the show at this point
I have waited sooo long for you to get here. It's especially relevant now that you recently read I Robot. Spock making Kirk forget at the end is both compassionate and creepy. Better yet it makes him alien which they really manage to accomplish on occasion in the series.
This is absolutely one of my favorite episodes, flaws and all. Just the idea of an immortal human that has had to hide his true nature from the rest of humanity for thousands of years is incredible. What if there are other immortal humans who are just as careful about hiding their immortality? Flint may not need to have been alone all these centuries if only they discovered each other!
I'm glad you also like this episode!
"M" often stands for "model" so the M5 computer was Daystrom's fifth attempt at creating a computer that could run a starship and M4 is presumably Flint's fourth mechanical butler.
So glad you read and enjoyed Asimov's "I, Robot." I loved that one as a kid. I also really liked his Foundation trilogy.
Harlan Ellison does have a more lighthearted side too. Years ago I worked on a comic book that had a Harlan Ellison pastiche character. At a convention our writer showed Ellison a copy of the comic book, and he was delighted. Told the conventioneers to go out and buy it right away. Best selling issue we ever had (though our book only lasted five issues in print -- we had to go to webcomic format to finish the story).
A lovely reaction. I used to adore this episode as a very young person, although as I grew older, I began to see flaws that I won't bring up.
Certainly the idea of an immortal who has done so many great and beautiful things, and who has suffered so much loss, is a refrain in science fiction, over a great many works over the years. I'd mention Robert Heinlein's novel "Time Enough for Love" (1973), Alfred Bester's "The Computer Connection" (1975), and the fourth Dune novel, "God Emperor of Dune" (1981) as examples. (It's also suggested, but never stated outright, in Walter M. Miller's "A Canticle for Liebowitz" (1959). This was my first exposure to that trope, and it really bowled me over.
I have always maintained that Spock's act at the end of the episode is a refutation of McCoy's statement. McCoy says, "The word 'love' isn't written into your book." Spock's silent answer is, "You're wrong: I love Jim Kirk."
Thanks!
"I thought we were in a rush, guys!" Ikr?
After Star Trek was cancelled, it was STILL broadcast as repeats all throughout the summer of '69 on NBC! I understand "Requiem for Methuselah" was the very final episode broadcast on network television on NBC, Tuesday September 2nd at 7:30 pm. The following Monday, September 8th, Star Trek premiered in syndication, first on WPIX channel 11 in NYC, my hometown station. It was in this first year that I started watching as a toddler of 3.
The final appearance of the repurposed Nomad prop.
And also probably the Romulan Cloaking Device from The Enterprise Incident.
I think we're ALL looking forward to next week's reaction! (Yay, brother.) Can't wait to see the thumbnail ;) By the way, congrats on finishing TOS (having now posted all the episodes on Patreon).
The exterior shots of Flint’s house were re used from “the cage” the original pilot for the show. Changed a little and of course digitally improved back in the early 2000’s. You’re right tho. His crew is getting sick and Kirk is like “heyyyyy! I’ve got a couple of hours.”
Kirk has a habit of lusting after robots. Rayna, Ruth (Shore Leave) and Andrea (...What Are Little Girls Made Of?).
I thought it was a little odd how hard he fell for Rayna. I know it was required of the story. It just seemed this episode had too much happening at one time. But excellent. acting.
He can't get a robot "in trouble"
As Data once said (to Q) “I am an android, not a robot!”
He wasn't lusting after this one. He fell in love with her
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