I have been waiting so long for Rhino to offer this type of quick massing, along with a video to explain the new changes. I couldn't be happier -- I'd give this video 100 thumbs-up if I could: 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
doble-click for doing repetitive push pull and inset ( just like SketchUp) it could be very nice feature another thing could be borrowed from SU is its groups and components, yes I know that Rhino has blocks ... but managing components in SU is much easier. ability to open and close groups by DoubleClick is another SketchUp feature that could be here in rhino . these features could attract lots of SketchUp users to Rhino
set up push/pull on a hot key or alias and then right click or space bar to repeat the last command. Not quite as immediate as a double click, but still faster then invoking it each time.
@@Rhinoceros3d just wondered , does this push pull negate the nernies and greebles vid you did a while ago ? because I found that ,and still do, really useful .
similar workflow, but plays well with all the other rhino features. We are hoping it picks up where sketchup falls short when it comes to making real objects.
Not only is it more powerful than SketchUp by integrating with Rhino's original capabilities -- There are other benefits to someone who is not already trailed on the "sticky geometry" concept. Simply put: Rhino modeling works as it does in conventional 3D modeling tools where you do not have sticky geometry, yet you can "MergeAllCoplanarFaces" (yielding sticky geometry) any time you like.
I Sincerely appreciate the video. May I request, if possible, a video demonstrating your material settings and how to use material in general. Thank you and wish you well.
These are a very useful set of commands. I have a question though, why not integrate the push pull command into the gumball extrude itself? that would make the process faster instead of having to enter the command every time. as an architect, it would be much more easier and faster to experiment with forms that way.
it's a topic of much internal debate. We have decided to keep our gumball simple as opposed to letting it grow into a mega feature beast. If this is the right decision only our users can tell us.
@@Rhinoceros3d - Objectively, there is no answer to this question because both (simplicity-vs-features) have nearly equal trade-off's *However..* This (and SketchUp marketshare) is precisely why you should allow a mode of "Quick Massing" where you offer an alternative look/purpose of the gumball designed for quick push/pull massing along with some other slight modifications while in that mode. The logic behind two separate approaches is identical to two separate cplane modes; you can't change the original; it's important to keep. However, you can add a new option where it allows auto-cplane and return to the former. In short, you have two different modes of 3D modeling. One is quick/simple (emphasize:quick *over* robust) and therefore, the only way to truly make everyone happy is to offer a "mode" toggle between the two modes. Some people, primarily SketchUp and BIM users that only prototype in massing -- may be more apt to switch to Rhino and ... may rarely ever go outside of this mode. If this doesn't make sense, please reply so that I can clarify further ... and thanks for the great v8 features & video!
@@InspiredScience That would be the ideal solution to many debates... Just add some options and let the user decide. To be fair, you can already do A LOT of these things in Rhino 7 using Gumball Extrude and then cleanup the surfaces with MergeAllCoplanarFaces... so why not add an option to do that with the Gumball extrude? The main advantage of the Push-Pull command seems to be the region recognition feature which looks very nice.
I agree with you, the trick is to get the rest of the rhino community to agree with us! Please post this thought to the forums so we can start a discussion about this topic there.
the official McNeel response to this question is always "when it's ready". We only know its ready when you, our users, tell us it's ready to go. Grab the wip, try it and let us know your thoughts on www.discourse.mcneelcom
Enjoyed your lesson. I have a couple of questions. Where can I get wood materials for the renderer. I started with R5 and am evaluating Rhino 8 to see if I want to upgrade from 7. I've often wanted wood material and have sometimes created my own with a jpg picture. When I got to load materials from the library there are wood types listed but nothing gets loaded. The other question is when you were placing things by snapping when you are using gumball is that a gumball setting? Is there a video you know of talking specifically about gumball. I use it a lot but am sure there are things about it that I don't know.
check out the gumball party tricks video on our channel for gumball fun- for the wood, check out the new procedural wood in v8 it's quite nice. there are several woods in our render library that ship with v8.
@@joebabb504 in rhino 8, show the file explorer there is a wood folder in the render content folder. for procedural wood, make a new PBR and in the color channel, click the checkerboard then pick the wood texture, that allows you to control it via sliders-
Please upgrade the icons. Right now the colours looks boring and old. If you just play a little bit with them you can turn them into a piece of art. Maya has done an incredible job with its icons. I know you can.
It’s a feature that could be used for some purposes … but architects don’t work this way And even for conceptual wise aims it won’t be like that . But fine to enhance the way one can change the construction plane
@@Rhinoceros3d th-cam.com/users/shortscNS6VRKrC2s, th-cam.com/video/udeyde5YB-M/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/UuNHY_qQerM/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/MUD6T55_PmI/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/FoHv0AZdZ3Q/w-d-xo.html, lots more on youtube.
I has testing rhino wip 8 The first is command pushpull run as well but after complek geometri ,command pushpull fail to execution "Fail unioning solid" can i give you my file what is wrong ?
But all the push pull geometry is connected which we somwtimes want to split after doing push pull so their should be a quick way to seperate the geometry quickly just like boxcutter in blender does. I mean the moment we are use push pull to substract something there should be hotkey or function to split that mass seperately. You can actually take inspiration from "ponte ryurai" (Hops boxcutter). How the actual boxing workflow should be in any software not just limited to sketchup push-pull
we tend to only add something when it's a proven value to our customers. We are very deliberate to not waste time or resources chasing trends or fads and do 100% tend to wait and see what features our users will actually want and use. We don't ever add technology for technology sake. Does this result in a slower development pace than other software, yep. Does it keep us from adding a bunch of junk people don't want or use? also yep. do some people disagree with this development philosophy? again...also yep. Are we planning on changing After 25 years of success with this plan? nope. will we always focus on what users really need and try to add tools and technology to help you get your job done. 100% yes.
@@Rhinoceros3di use 2 different CAD programs. To complete 1 job, Rhino takes longer than other CAD programs. and I decided to stop using rhino. especially, the fillets and chamfers on the rino are the most worst. In my opinion, if there is a program that is better and easier to use, why still use a program that is more difficult? My office has also stopped buying rhino licenses
@@agre757 Ok, that is certainly your prerogative. We'll welcome you back anytime if you choose to come back. We always encourage our users to use the best tool for the work they are doing, often that is Rhino, often it's not. Best wishes to you and your work- If you want to talk more about problems with fillets in your work, hit us up on discourse and we'd be happy chat about how they can be improved for you- discourse.mcneel.com
Am I the only one super triggered by the windows of the garage being not evenly spaced? 🤣 A missed opportunity to show how easy would have been to center the middle one using gumball. Interesting tools! You can already do a lot of these things in Rhino 7 with a wise use of the gumball, but you clearly refined the process and that's nice. Also, please fix the title of the video 🙄
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This is one of the features (not named that of course) that kept me designing in Blender. It makes the workflow so much faster! Glad to see it!
super interested in your feedback after using it.. post comments on the forum, discourse.mcneel.com
I have been waiting so long for Rhino to offer this type of quick massing, along with a video to explain the new changes.
I couldn't be happier -- I'd give this video 100 thumbs-up if I could: 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
great to hear, make sure to hit our forum and give Joshua Kennedy some love, this was his baby and he hit it out of the park.
rip sketchup
doble-click for doing repetitive push pull and inset ( just like SketchUp) it could be very nice feature
another thing could be borrowed from SU is its groups and components, yes I know that Rhino has blocks ... but managing components in SU is much easier.
ability to open and close groups by DoubleClick is another SketchUp feature that could be here in rhino .
these features could attract lots of SketchUp users to Rhino
set up push/pull on a hot key or alias and then right click or space bar to repeat the last command. Not quite as immediate as a double click, but still faster then invoking it each time.
This is awesome! I will recommend using this feature for all my students!
These are excellent new features. Thank you for this tutorial!
as always KH another video where I learnt something ,thankyou .Can't wait for v 8 to be ready .
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it- more coming soon!
@@Rhinoceros3d just wondered , does this push pull negate the nernies and greebles vid you did a while ago ? because I found that ,and still do, really useful .
@@jimbomaker not negate the concept, but certainly the actual workflow... push pull does everything in the nernies video, but better!
great work Rhino
Very cool! What is also cool is the fact that some of the tools already worked in Rh7 in a very similar way... (split surface, boolean curve)
it doesnt work for me :(
Very lovely house,great job!
not bad for having no clue what I'm doing.. ;-)
Haha, finally that SketchUp killer feature
similar workflow, but plays well with all the other rhino features. We are hoping it picks up where sketchup falls short when it comes to making real objects.
XD
Not only is it more powerful than SketchUp by integrating with Rhino's original capabilities --
There are other benefits to someone who is not already trailed on the "sticky geometry" concept. Simply put: Rhino modeling works as it does in conventional 3D modeling tools where you do not have sticky geometry, yet you can "MergeAllCoplanarFaces" (yielding sticky geometry) any time you like.
@@InspiredScience rhino is the goat
As an interior designer, I hope Rhino can seize more users from SketchUp and expand the Model Library of Vray~@@Rhinoceros3d
This is amazing, cant wait for Rhino 8!!
try it today! you can grab the wip here if you own v7-
discourse.mcneel.com/t/welcome-to-serengeti/9612
I Sincerely appreciate the video. May I request, if possible, a video demonstrating your material settings and how to use material in general. Thank you and wish you well.
try this one- th-cam.com/video/17_M5ygXsx4/w-d-xo.html
and this one- th-cam.com/video/lpa94O6gXks/w-d-xo.html
inset is a great addition.Offsetcurve on surface fails a lot for me so this will really help
Nice Thank you!
Man that’s a cool thumbnail 😄
Amazing work. would be nice if you shared your material library, its well organized in folders😁 or you could recommend a source
I'd love to take credit, but its the default library that ships with rhino.
Спасибо большое!
This is great, thanks
thx!🥰
great
These are a very useful set of commands. I have a question though, why not integrate the push pull command into the gumball extrude itself? that would make the process faster instead of having to enter the command every time. as an architect, it would be much more easier and faster to experiment with forms that way.
Yes I agree, that's exactly 3ds max is trying to do
it's a topic of much internal debate. We have decided to keep our gumball simple as opposed to letting it grow into a mega feature beast. If this is the right decision only our users can tell us.
@@Rhinoceros3d - Objectively, there is no answer to this question because both (simplicity-vs-features) have nearly equal trade-off's
*However..* This (and SketchUp marketshare) is precisely why you should allow a mode of "Quick Massing" where you offer an alternative look/purpose of the gumball designed for quick push/pull massing along with some other slight modifications while in that mode.
The logic behind two separate approaches is identical to two separate cplane modes; you can't change the original; it's important to keep. However, you can add a new option where it allows auto-cplane and return to the former.
In short, you have two different modes of 3D modeling. One is quick/simple (emphasize:quick *over* robust) and therefore, the only way to truly make everyone happy is to offer a "mode" toggle between the two modes. Some people, primarily SketchUp and BIM users that only prototype in massing -- may be more apt to switch to Rhino and ... may rarely ever go outside of this mode.
If this doesn't make sense, please reply so that I can clarify further ... and thanks for the great v8 features & video!
@@InspiredScience That would be the ideal solution to many debates... Just add some options and let the user decide.
To be fair, you can already do A LOT of these things in Rhino 7 using Gumball Extrude and then cleanup the surfaces with MergeAllCoplanarFaces... so why not add an option to do that with the Gumball extrude? The main advantage of the Push-Pull command seems to be the region recognition feature which looks very nice.
I agree with you, the trick is to get the rest of the rhino community to agree with us! Please post this thought to the forums so we can start a discussion about this topic there.
I’m in love with the auto c plane is that coming in rhino 8 right?
yep- done and dusted for v8
are there any info for the actual release date for rhino 8?
the official McNeel response to this question is always "when it's ready". We only know its ready when you, our users, tell us it's ready to go. Grab the wip, try it and let us know your thoughts on www.discourse.mcneelcom
i see very little reason to use sketchup after this!
just like sketchup ... i lik t
now command line needs some attention, autocad's command line is much sleeker.
can you post an example of what you are looking for on our forum?
And get a response the next year and implemented in 10 years...................................@@Rhinoceros3d
The feature where u have the C-Plane moving according to the face, is that a Rhino 8 thing?
yep! auto cplanes is a new feature in v8
Enjoyed your lesson. I have a couple of questions. Where can I get wood materials for the renderer. I started with R5 and am evaluating Rhino 8 to see if I want to upgrade from 7. I've often wanted wood material and have sometimes created my own with a jpg picture. When I got to load materials from the library there are wood types listed but nothing gets loaded. The other question is when you were placing things by snapping when you are using gumball is that a gumball setting? Is there a video you know of talking specifically about gumball. I use it a lot but am sure there are things about it that I don't know.
check out the gumball party tricks video on our channel for gumball fun-
for the wood, check out the new procedural wood in v8 it's quite nice.
there are several woods in our render library that ship with v8.
I am trying out Rhino8 and there are no woods in the render library. What is procedural wood?@@Rhinoceros3d
@@joebabb504 in rhino 8, show the file explorer there is a wood folder in the render content folder.
for procedural wood, make a new PBR and in the color channel, click the checkerboard then pick the wood texture, that allows you to control it via sliders-
Please upgrade the icons. Right now the colours looks boring and old. If you just play a little bit with them you can turn them into a piece of art. Maya has done an incredible job with its icons. I know you can.
please share Alias Shortcut 1:49
The command is _inset and I have it set to the keys ui (two key strokes)
@@Rhinoceros3dalias all list share
@@skadrivers898 try this- www.dropbox.com/s/1sokcoe50tz5e6d/aliases.txt?dl=0
@@Rhinoceros3d Thanks you
It’s a feature that could be used for some purposes … but architects don’t work this way
And even for conceptual wise aims it won’t be like that .
But fine to enhance the way one can change the construction plane
a whole heap of Architects using sketchup may beg to differ. But...if it's not for you, we get it.
rhino needs a thread command . such as fusion 360 has.
can you send a link so I can read about that feature? I'm not a fusion user.
@@Rhinoceros3d th-cam.com/users/shortscNS6VRKrC2s, th-cam.com/video/udeyde5YB-M/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/UuNHY_qQerM/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/MUD6T55_PmI/w-d-xo.html, th-cam.com/video/FoHv0AZdZ3Q/w-d-xo.html, lots more on youtube.
I has testing rhino wip 8
The first is command pushpull run as well but after complek geometri ,command pushpull fail to execution
"Fail unioning solid" can i give you my file what is wrong ?
Send it to tech@mcneel.com with steps to reproduce the issue
@@Rhinoceros3d if i am in Pc i will send file,but preshpull while execution not to combine object or not to union with parent object,i dont know why
@@Rhinoceros3d i has send to email thank you
Oh how the push pull tolls
duhhhh, fixed it, thanks
But all the push pull geometry is connected which we somwtimes want to split after doing push pull so their should be a quick way to seperate the geometry quickly just like boxcutter in blender does. I mean the moment we are use push pull to substract something there should be hotkey or function to split that mass seperately. You can actually take inspiration from "ponte ryurai" (Hops boxcutter). How the actual boxing workflow should be in any software not just limited to sketchup push-pull
simply right click the explode icon to extract any surface from a polysurfaces.
@@Rhinoceros3d not explode into surface but it is like solid seperation.
Also I think plasticity is also a very fast tool rather than just planar push pull.
you can do a boolean split with a surface, or wirecut with a curve.
@@Rhinoceros3d yes that split/wirecut make sense.
and other CAD software has done this before. Why is Rhino always left behind?
we tend to only add something when it's a proven value to our customers. We are very deliberate to not waste time or resources chasing trends or fads and do 100% tend to wait and see what features our users will actually want and use. We don't ever add technology for technology sake. Does this result in a slower development pace than other software, yep. Does it keep us from adding a bunch of junk people don't want or use? also yep.
do some people disagree with this development philosophy? again...also yep.
Are we planning on changing After 25 years of success with this plan?
nope.
will we always focus on what users really need and try to add tools and technology to help you get your job done.
100% yes.
@@Rhinoceros3di use 2 different CAD programs. To complete 1 job, Rhino takes longer than other CAD programs. and I decided to stop using rhino. especially, the fillets and chamfers on the rino are the most worst. In my opinion, if there is a program that is better and easier to use, why still use a program that is more difficult? My office has also stopped buying rhino licenses
@@agre757 Ok, that is certainly your prerogative. We'll welcome you back anytime if you choose to come back. We always encourage our users to use the best tool for the work they are doing, often that is Rhino, often it's not. Best wishes to you and your work-
If you want to talk more about problems with fillets in your work, hit us up on discourse and we'd be happy chat about how they can be improved for you- discourse.mcneel.com
Hi, can you upload your keyboard alias file?
no great way to do that on YT- pm me on the forum ( @theoutisde ) and I will gladly share it with you- discourse.mcneel.com
Need some more features like this then i will say goodbye to sketchup, 3ds max😅
please try it and give us feedback on discourse.mcneel.com
Am I the only one super triggered by the windows of the garage being not evenly spaced? 🤣 A missed opportunity to show how easy would have been to center the middle one using gumball.
Interesting tools! You can already do a lot of these things in Rhino 7 with a wise use of the gumball, but you clearly refined the process and that's nice.
Also, please fix the title of the video 🙄
fixed, thanks..
why it doesn't exist in the Rhino 7 ? 😭
because we just recently developed it as part of v8.
There seems to be a typo in the title. Or is that a joke that I'm not getting? 😊
the joke is my lack of proofreading skills... fixed it, thanks for pointing it out!
Rhino is designed for precise modeling, and relying on our own visual estimates would defeat its purpose.
unless you are doing a demo on just how tools work... ;-)
this is the end of sketchup ... and its messy and buggy plugins....
Lol. Soy milk latte.. Great video!