The most unorthodox defender in NBA history | Matisse Thybulle

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  • Matisse Thybulle's combination of blocks and steals (stocks) is unmatched for any guard in league history. How does he do it? Is there a cost to his style? Should he have made the All-Defensive team as a guard last year while playing only 20 minutes a game? This detailed film breakdown & scouting report explores how the 76ers guard defends the perimeter while incorporating analytics & stats to assess his impact.
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  • @ThinkingBasketball
    @ThinkingBasketball  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1083

    Ton of insightful comments on this (as always). When researching, I couldn't quite find anyone like him. As some have mentioned, Bird had his share of rearview blocks, Kirilenko had a long/chaotic element to his game, and Jordan has some of this too (especially helping down on the post).

    • @wecanjump7512
      @wecanjump7512 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Yeah, I thought of young Bird as well. Bird had the same anticipation without any of the athleticism. You almost have to jump sports to find a comp. I’m reminded of Troy Polamalu in football. They both play very loosely within the construct of their defenses, using their instincts/athleticism to make plays rarely seen. And their respective defenses sometimes pay the price for this freedom.

    • @SaxonFaust
      @SaxonFaust 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      KD been owning dis guy but Thybulle be terrorizing your golden boy Steph.

    • @SaxonFaust
      @SaxonFaust 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You put Steph as the best player in the NBA. Its time to revoke ur basketball card because besides your analytics you really don't understand the game on a more deeper level. Ur undersigning of the game is overly reliant on stats and never lets you know the absolute truth about topics. Curry was never the best player in the league regardless of his numbers on ur bias selective stat sheet. Basketball is an art and it’s not all stat based analytics.

    • @navvyeanand2083
      @navvyeanand2083 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SaxonFaust 2016

    • @wecanjump7512
      @wecanjump7512 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@SaxonFaust Your thinking is individually based. Curry’s impact is better viewed from a team perspective. Because of his famous range you have to guard him from half court. The constant attention (and his constant movement) paid him opens up the court for everyone.

  • @francisayala9310
    @francisayala9310 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4852

    After watching this, it made me realize that Thybulle and Embiid mesh so well on defense. Imagine your a ball handler trying to get to the rim, you have Thybulle hounding you from behind and if you manage to get pass him, you're greeted with Embiid. That's nasty.

    • @albericponcedeleon2696
      @albericponcedeleon2696 2 ปีที่แล้ว +511

      If Simmons wasn't such a black hole on offense that trio would have an insane net rating.

    • @Star-pl1xs
      @Star-pl1xs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +200

      @@albericponcedeleon2696 all-time, i'd bet (not even bringing up danny green)

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@Star-pl1xs Dead on

    • @TJzWayyy
      @TJzWayyy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Star-pl1xs Danny green lol

    • @randomdude4045
      @randomdude4045 2 ปีที่แล้ว +150

      @@TJzWayyy Danny is still a good defender. Not a DPOY caliber like he was 5 years ago, but he is still doin good at defending the perimeter. The only thing to be complained about Danny now is his shooting issue lol

  • @kyfps
    @kyfps 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1122

    we also have to take into consideration the players he's guarding in everyone of these clips. He gets matched up 1 on 1 vs some of the best scorers in history on a nightly basis, which makes some of the opponent field goal percentages even more impressive

    • @slimewatch1
      @slimewatch1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      He locked down steph

    • @cole4939
      @cole4939 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      It's not easy to guard the players he's guarding for sure, but all other All-defense caliber guards are guarding these exact same scorers as well, with the exception of maybe KD.

    • @retch23tg
      @retch23tg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@cole4939 tbh as a Sixers fan i watched Ben Simmons defense get glamorized for years, to the point he could've won DPOY last season. That said he almost never really took that assignment and far too often would allow Danny Green or Tobias to get cooked by the great wing scorers. So having Matisse is a major difference there.

    • @EB-bl6cc
      @EB-bl6cc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      great point. you can really only compare his % against to the other guys who are also guarding those guys on a nightly basis, rather than the whole pool

    • @kyfps
      @kyfps 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@retch23tg Wait wtf? That's completely wrong. Ben took their best scorer everynight. Just bc you don't like the guy doesn't mean you can change that he's the best defender in the league

  • @garthmasa4459
    @garthmasa4459 2 ปีที่แล้ว +441

    When i was in my younger years as a basketball player, i use to defend like that. My body didnt have the bulk to face up vs bigger and stronger guys so i use my quickness and timing to let them pass and block from behind. Its much easier and effective.

    • @jhalparo3827
      @jhalparo3827 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Also easier to get fooled. Hit me to change my mind 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @gc1087
      @gc1087 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@jhalparo3827 yessir I play d exactly the same and fouls are easy to come by....sadly.

    • @venomf0
      @venomf0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jhalparo3827 simple ballfake sends him flying

    • @kooligan500
      @kooligan500 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@venomf0 Thats easy to say in hindsight or when just watching but in game speed hes comming from behind seemingly as a help defender. He goes from being the on ball defender to making a blind side play.

    • @gc1087
      @gc1087 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@kooligan500 exactly, it surprisingly works well at game speeds, you can't slow it down and rewind 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @tysongarcia6973
    @tysongarcia6973 2 ปีที่แล้ว +243

    I'm from Seattle and had the pleasure of watching Matisse ball out here at UW for some great years. Mike Hopkins ran a wonderful 2-3 Zone and Matisse was one of the guards at the top of the zone. The dude was an absolute menace on defense and it was crazy how night in and night out, this dude would make offenses work so damn hard to trying to pass the ball around the top of the key without being picked.
    Check out his defensive highlights in college. His anticipation and bait game is next level.

    • @musicfirst5020
      @musicfirst5020 ปีที่แล้ว

      No one cares if you're from Seattle. Get over yourselves.

    • @tysongarcia6973
      @tysongarcia6973 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@musicfirst5020 Hey dumb dumb, Seattle was only referenced due to UW.
      Get out of your feelings, why are you so pressed by a comment? Weirdo.

    • @franciscopietri3999
      @franciscopietri3999 ปีที่แล้ว

      😊

  • @joelstratford2583
    @joelstratford2583 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2830

    Have a look at him playing for the Australian team in the Olympics. His defence was very interesting to watch.

    • @Notusingmareelname
      @Notusingmareelname 2 ปีที่แล้ว +201

      He was off the charts at the olympics with his impact defensively

    • @cameron5483
      @cameron5483 2 ปีที่แล้ว +102

      was gunna say after the comment about how he'd look in another defensive system, he was stellar for the Boomers defensively.

    • @devi_-
      @devi_- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Came here to say this.

    • @nicksantomauro2158
      @nicksantomauro2158 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      FIBA rules help tremendously

    • @nnel385
      @nnel385 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He's sus, he might be a hacker

  • @gabehowe2778
    @gabehowe2778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1790

    Mad respect to him, I never really noticed this, I Just thought his recovery was bonkers. He plays like a competitive 2K player, looking to bait the passer or the ball handler rather than looking to react from the front. Wade-like shot blocking ability. The offensive player is trained to light up their eyes when they beat a defender in front of them, however this is exactly what Matisse wants. Great video

    • @egvhub6230
      @egvhub6230 2 ปีที่แล้ว +139

      Great point on the 2k lmao. This is exactly how 2k players be playing defense

    • @PMCCOTTER
      @PMCCOTTER 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      This is such a good analogy

    • @seanye4920
      @seanye4920 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Lmao the 2k analogy accurate asf

    • @freddycalipari4242
      @freddycalipari4242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Lol 2k players can see behind their head. Nobody plays like that irl

    • @PMCCOTTER
      @PMCCOTTER 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@freddycalipari4242 Marcus smart

  • @RemoG0915
    @RemoG0915 2 ปีที่แล้ว +176

    I was shocked Dwyane Wade wasn't in that guards block list per 100. Turns out he just missed with a 1.9

    • @ayden8297
      @ayden8297 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      John wall as well

    • @paulgeorge1316
      @paulgeorge1316 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They are both incredible defenders, im surprised they never made it.

  • @Phillyfan1998
    @Phillyfan1998 2 ปีที่แล้ว +501

    As a sixers fan, I would do everything in my power to make sure he is a Sixers for as long as we can have him. He is so important on the court.

    • @sunrae7680
      @sunrae7680 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      I consider Maxie and Matisse to be a set.

    • @Tyrannosaurine
      @Tyrannosaurine 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Love Matisse, but he’s gotta show he can at least give you a couple buckets or something. On offense we are basically playing 4-on-5.

    • @heelp2370
      @heelp2370 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@Tyrannosaurine tbf realistically do you even need him on offense and are there even enough offensive possessions for him wtih embiid, harden, maxey, and harriss there. hes like a 5th option when it comes to offense. Id say quitee frankly if you are relying on your 5th option for buckets you are already fucked assuming everyone is healthy.

    • @lourok6824
      @lourok6824 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@heelp2370 5th offensive options should atleast have a consistent spot up jumper to provide spacing

    • @wallacewyche81
      @wallacewyche81 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lourok6824 true

  • @Rockstar408J
    @Rockstar408J 2 ปีที่แล้ว +885

    Such frequent content from Thinking Basketball is a treat

  • @spurguvitunhuora9119
    @spurguvitunhuora9119 2 ปีที่แล้ว +439

    His ability to keep jumping without any recovery Time, reminds me of Rodman and Barkley. That talent made those two to spent there time under the basket. There you cant really defend while staying behind your opponent.... What a peculiar player.

    • @bradm1955
      @bradm1955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Excellent point. Barkley & Rodman could jump quickly & powerfully. Very underrated ability. They’d just high point the ball faster than anyone else.

    • @r.martinwarnke6184
      @r.martinwarnke6184 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ‼️ truth

    • @b3trainingkc601
      @b3trainingkc601 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Andrew wiggins is like that too. Pogo stick. Quickest second jump I've ever seen

    • @t5s
      @t5s 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just bouncin

    • @t5s
      @t5s 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Zion insane like that too

  • @yey862
    @yey862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    still insane to me how a video about thybulle is your most viewed video, just shows the quality of the content you produce

  • @dmpdagamer
    @dmpdagamer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Idk why, but his defense reminds me of some defenders on 2K I play defense similar to this in real life and it transitions pretty well to 2K. Easy pick pockets and chase down blocks. Passing lane steals come easy as well when your IQ is just high enough to know who the ball is going to.

  • @botleydot
    @botleydot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +504

    I agree that he gambles a lot on plays, but it makes him so entertaining to watch. Not sure you can block a curry 3 without taking some risks.

    • @retch23tg
      @retch23tg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      His constant hustle covers up for it. Because even if he fails on that gamble he isnt going to give up and gets back into the play

    • @ghost.patrols
      @ghost.patrols 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@retch23tg Yup! I’ve seen him gamble, get beaten, then recover and still affect the player several times. His motor is unreal.

    • @Bigmonto
      @Bigmonto 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yea he looks like some sort of grasshopper put there. Even his dribbles a little weird. But it is very fun to see.

  • @trvspvrk
    @trvspvrk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +377

    I enjoy watching Matisse play defense, it’s honestly a joy to watch. He’s what I call a defensive highlight playmaker

    • @hasbullamagomedov4432
      @hasbullamagomedov4432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What he does is what Ben simmons tries to do

    • @jojoprocess2820
      @jojoprocess2820 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@hasbullamagomedov4432 nah ben simmons was a much better 1v1 defender and he was proud of that.

    • @hasbullamagomedov4432
      @hasbullamagomedov4432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jojoprocess2820 yeah that's true man but watching him he wants to play defence and turn to offence you know?

    • @jojoprocess2820
      @jojoprocess2820 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@hasbullamagomedov4432 yeah I can see that. I'm sure simmons would love to have thybulles defensive playmaking so he can get even more easy buckets on fastbreaks. He's not that bad himself tho, he led the league in steals like two years ago

    • @hasbullamagomedov4432
      @hasbullamagomedov4432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jojoprocess2820 yeah man defence and play making isn't a problem for him at all but to be an nba superstar you gotta know how to do everything, I really think he's style of playing is suited in the nbl which is abit more rough than usual

  • @sk33t_38
    @sk33t_38 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    this type of defense is taught in the Seattle area a lot and he most likely learned it at UW. I was taught a similar way of playing defense when I played. I have no clue who started it but playing parallel and baiting shots is emphasized a lot here at some schools. Would be a cool thing to investigate. I remember Brandon Roy was really good at this also.

    • @absolutemenace7754
      @absolutemenace7754 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Def a west coast basketball style of defense to overplay the shooting hand and violate air space instead of the traditional contest

  • @ingry
    @ingry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    It's how he recovers so quickly and adjusts to plays as they develop that I love so much. And with the average player skill being high enough to switch hands on a layup to avoid a defender... not being able can't see matisse's block attempts coming from behind is huge. It's so simple on paper, but so difficult and risky to pull off... It's insane that he can make it work at all, let alone at such a high rate. With how him and Maxey are stepping up, along with how insane Embiid is playing; I see the sixers putting in a good run this year.

    • @drk.i.a.2969
      @drk.i.a.2969 ปีที่แล้ว

      They got harden leading them a hugh defensive liability for a starter, unless he leads in NBA in assists, without his usual 12fts hes a bust...collecting $$$.

    • @ingry
      @ingry ปีที่แล้ว

      @@drk.i.a.2969 dude this was 8 months ago, and I was talking about Matisse not Harden... Are you okay lol?

  • @billpap.9669
    @billpap.9669 2 ปีที่แล้ว +663

    Paint defense will always be more valuable than perimeter defense but perimeter defenders need to be acknowledged & respected more, perhaps give a DPOY award to a perimeter guy.

    • @jsmoove2194
      @jsmoove2194 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Tell that to the bulls

    • @ethanhekker4371
      @ethanhekker4371 2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      for a perimeter defender to be DPOY-worthy he'd have to outweigh the value of high-level rim protectors and that's pretty much impossible

    • @tylerm4405
      @tylerm4405 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Yeah we should have an award for best paint defender (or maybe just overall since centers provide so much help defense) as well as a best man to man defensive player of the year

    • @douglasmcfarland9040
      @douglasmcfarland9040 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      1988 Michael Jordan won Defensive Player of The Year. Also finished in top 5 vote 4 times and was 9 time All Defensive Team selection.

    • @zekedeblaay4211
      @zekedeblaay4211 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      i know he’s best known for protecting the rim but giannis is a great perimeter defender. hes s dpoy. also kawhi won a dpoy, hes not much of a paint defender. just some recent examples, but yes, generally paint defenders are more valuable than perimeter defenders

  • @Ty_Guy2K
    @Ty_Guy2K 2 ปีที่แล้ว +392

    As a Sixers fan I love watching him play defense, my eyes are always glued to him no matter where the ball is. I’m biased but I think he’s the most fun defender to watch in the NBA rn

    • @sammymac2546
      @sammymac2546 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Facts lol I got to watch him at Washington in college and he averaged like 4-5 steals a game

    • @Ty_Guy2K
      @Ty_Guy2K 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@sammymac2546 Oh sweet! Matisse is an absolute menace in a 2-3 zone, which I believe Washington used when he was there. It lets him get so many steals in the passing lanes and blocks from behind

    • @doloducci1k9200
      @doloducci1k9200 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Him & Gary payton ll

    • @aanakhtatkaa9994
      @aanakhtatkaa9994 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I totally agree with you! He's young, with a lot of growth! Let's go Sixers! Let's go Matisse Thybulle!

    • @declanfunk8127
      @declanfunk8127 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He makes the funniest and most ridiculously amazing plays

  • @winstonrushiniii3647
    @winstonrushiniii3647 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Low key this is a smart way of playing defense because most offensive players read what’s in front of the them. So when you get pass him your focus shifts to next guy in front and you tend to forget you have a defender behind you

  • @taylork.5427
    @taylork.5427 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    As a UW fan, he was probably my favorite college player to watch. He was such a huge problem in those Husky zone defenses. The defensive numbers he was putting up were unreal

  • @coledorillo6685
    @coledorillo6685 2 ปีที่แล้ว +245

    Loving these non-all star breakdowns. Show some role players some love

  • @nurd5776
    @nurd5776 2 ปีที่แล้ว +726

    As long as he’s on a team like Philly, Utah, Milwaukee or Miami, he’s gonna have a great career

    • @nurd5776
      @nurd5776 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@Doorknobz I didn’t watch the Lakers game, what makes u say this? Stat sheet never says enough but it doesn’t look like anything abnormal happened? Or Pels game where again stat sheet doesn’t say much either?

    • @retch23tg
      @retch23tg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@nurd5776 I'm only replying so i can see his reply if he does. Because I'd love to know exactly what he was talking about too. Going to assume it was about Russ but idk

    • @retch23tg
      @retch23tg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@nurd5776 and i agree with you. As long as hes on a good team and isnt depended on to be a vital part of the offense (that part of his game just isnt there, but its developing and he could potentially be a 10-14 ppg guy which would be great) he's going to have a place in the league for a very, very long time

    • @floydster23
      @floydster23 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Utah would be really interesting. Their defensive scheme is to take chances on defending the 3 point line because they know Gobert is back in the paint. O'Neale needs help out there as their only real perimeter defender. Thybulle's style of defense fits their own style, particularly with a rim defender like Gobert backing him up.

    • @injusticeanywherethreatens4810
      @injusticeanywherethreatens4810 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      ya defensively slanted teams tend ot benefit the most from unusual, chaotic defensively slanted players. Its why Garnett was such an MVP in Boston and why Speedy Claxton was so useful for the Spurs.

  • @digitalvictory8266
    @digitalvictory8266 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating!
    Great video man!

  • @diegovargas1661
    @diegovargas1661 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I got a few things to say 1. Him and Embiid given time can be a huge powerhouse, once he masters the 1v1 defense this guys is going to be a menace. 2. I believe that he is the best transition defender ever, because his ability to see the ball and read the eyes of the defender is unmatched, that paired with his athleticism are a dangerous combo. 3. Also, if I he learns to talk on the court and have that chemistry with his teammates so that they know when he’s doing the wrap around, it’ll be like a double team that the offense never saw coming. All of this was said by a 13 year old peace

    • @NeilTruick
      @NeilTruick ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Respect to you, youngblood...

    • @contrasbeatshop
      @contrasbeatshop ปีที่แล้ว +5

      you are articulate for a 13 year old, keep being a thinker out here young man

  • @ethanfriedman3118
    @ethanfriedman3118 2 ปีที่แล้ว +336

    When he played alongside Ben, the flaws weren’t visible because of what Ben is able to do as a 1v1, help, and interior defender. Ben allowed him to roam and be as effective as possible. Without him, teams can avoid him with good ball movement

    • @heic1971
      @heic1971 2 ปีที่แล้ว +87

      Yeah Jordan and Pippen did the same during those time. Depending the situation, either MJ or Pip will be one lock down the ball handler and the other will play free safety role just causing havoc in the passing lanes. And then just as fast turning it to a fast break with either MJ or Pip on the wings. Reason once they acquired Rodman, the bulls were almost invincible even at the time all 3 players were past their 30s. So these kids can say all they want with the old players can’t beat the teams now…. Think again. Those bulls were top 1-3 in both offense and defense every season.

    • @Homer-OJ-Simpson
      @Homer-OJ-Simpson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      @@heic1971 yup, that’s what made the Bulls great. One of either Pippen or Jordan would lock down a key player and the other roamed. Pippen could lock down the bigger players while Jordan would lock down the smaller players. Jordan had the extremely quick hands and feet to roam around whole Pippen had godly length to block shots and passes.

    • @heic1971
      @heic1971 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      @@Homer-OJ-Simpson don’t forget Ron Harper, because of MJ, Pip and Rodman’s D Harper became a after thought. Harper would also lock down and recover to any player that might have got loose. When he was on the Cavs, Harper the only guy that gave Jordan a bit more trouble one on one.

    • @t.l.c.t.6250
      @t.l.c.t.6250 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Give all you guys a thumbs up

    • @dusk6159
      @dusk6159 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@Homer-OJ-Simpson Pippen especially had the lateral quickness, effort and wingspan to put all-time on and off ball defense.
      He was cloning himself on the floor, helping everybody.
      That combined with Harper on top and the competition had no chance at all.

  • @dhuman9321
    @dhuman9321 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    This is so well done. Thank you for putting the spotlight on Matisse and how truly special his defense is. His defensive style really is most akin to MJ's (if there's a past precedent). But in part bc D is a greater % of his energy/overall game, he's like a turbo-boosted Jordan (which is crazy to think possible.) And yes, the more interior block'g help & positional react'g know-how his teammates can make to cover for a miss/buy time, the more valuable he is. Your conclusion is right on.

  • @jonathandy727
    @jonathandy727 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Crazy good video! Ive had this on my watch later list for about a month now haha so glad i finally watched it

  • @thechampionsplaybook
    @thechampionsplaybook ปีที่แล้ว

    The data in this breakdown is incredible the amount of research that you had to do to creating this incredible content is amazing 💯💯💯

  • @makutjunior9102
    @makutjunior9102 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    One thing I saw in this video besides the fact that it is amazing and insightful is the fact that Durant must have watched film on him, that’s why he wasn’t looking at the guy but he still made a bounce pass after faking the shot because Thy was lurking from behind as usual

  • @eligyo8546
    @eligyo8546 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    been rooting for him and ja since 2019, glad they shine this year.

  • @ericperry27
    @ericperry27 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant stuff! His game and ur video! Love the breakdown.

  • @Finn-no8kh
    @Finn-no8kh 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video man. He’s one of my favourite players to watch

  • @ryzie1234
    @ryzie1234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    You can look at his defensive highlights playing for the boomers to see that he doesn’t need a elite paint protector behind him to cause hell on the perimeter as we were playing baynes and landale

  • @trentidif4907
    @trentidif4907 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a awesome video man very informative

  • @thedarkfrost2351
    @thedarkfrost2351 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It’s insane that a video on a non starters defense is Ben’s second most viewed video

  • @cuisonte
    @cuisonte 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I agree with your Dr. Evil suggestion: Mathysse sometimes DOES intentionally let his man go to chase him from behind. And as a spectator I love it, he's a walking defensive highlight reel. There exists a defense showtime ladies and gentleman

    • @cd6xc
      @cd6xc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I feel that too, especially when he has the size advantage. The way he "crashes" on some screens looks deliberate sometimes.

    • @sunrae7680
      @sunrae7680 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Watching Matisse is like watching a comedy show. I'm laughing at how sneaky he is, and the ball handler doesn't know wtf happened. 😀😁🤣😂 Matisse deflated Steph Curry !!

  • @sponko
    @sponko 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    mattisse is one of my favorite players because he puts in effort. dude gets a 3pt shot and he plays for years

    • @theretrosavage
      @theretrosavage 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He will play for years...

    • @Bobsyagod
      @Bobsyagod 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He's been hitting more of them this year and he's young, if it keeps developing he could become an absolute weapon.

    • @theretrosavage
      @theretrosavage 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bobsyagod 100 percent agree

    • @JoeL-zw2me
      @JoeL-zw2me 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agree, I think just the fact that he’s not afraid to shoot 3s and that he does hit them although only occasionally is good to see. He’ll absolutely develop a more consistent shot at the rate he’s going

  • @rondariusjohnson3037
    @rondariusjohnson3037 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how you pointed out the good and the bad!!

  • @shmoogly
    @shmoogly 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I’m a sixers fan, always knew he was an great defender and could see it regularly. Never really notice how fast he can jump into the air, pretty amazing

  • @notnigelll
    @notnigelll 2 ปีที่แล้ว +123

    His defense is already generational, he’s done things I never thought were possible defensively

    • @bmebuzz8718
      @bmebuzz8718 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Really??

    • @notnigelll
      @notnigelll 2 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@bmebuzz8718 Yes, when was the last time you saw a guard block jump shots at the same frequency he did

    • @bmebuzz8718
      @bmebuzz8718 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@notnigelll im not questioning his defensive credibility, im confused on the “he’s done things i never thought were possible defensively”
      his defense is amazing but its not mind boggling, i dont know i could be wrong jus feel like thats quite the overreaction

    • @buttnuts2599
      @buttnuts2599 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@notnigelll d Wade

    • @notnigelll
      @notnigelll 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bmebuzz8718 Maybe saying things i’ve never seen was an overreaction, but I meant as in his ability at 6’5 and being able to consistently block jump shots

  • @steveshumate1983
    @steveshumate1983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I remember noticing Mikal bridges take the same rear view approach defense on luka a couple of years ago that worked really well on PnRs. Mikal isn’t the same athlete but he’s got super long arms and great timing

    • @redgyarados10
      @redgyarados10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      agreed, another player I noticed that does this is KD. seems that the rear view approach defense works well for lanky & quick defenders who can cover ground easily

    • @chuckjacobs3239
      @chuckjacobs3239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Mikal Bridges arms are looooong as fuck

    • @Harry0082
      @Harry0082 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Long arms help for sure. Much easier to reach over for the block without fouling

    • @goldenmidwayyoff1247
      @goldenmidwayyoff1247 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Man we could have had Bridges and Thybulle...

  • @Djseandu68
    @Djseandu68 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow what excellent breakdown!! Thank you.

  • @lyndy101
    @lyndy101 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You deserve more subs my dude. Love the depth you get into.

  • @Tony-cp6vu
    @Tony-cp6vu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    He is just extremely athletic and more importantly, has this perfect timing instinct. You're born with that, gods gift

  • @gabe271
    @gabe271 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I enjoy the simple things in life: A hot shower, good coffee and a fresh break down from Thinking Basketball.

  • @venturapassansibullich7052
    @venturapassansibullich7052 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great content! I am a big fan. And now I discover more about him!

  • @geotechms
    @geotechms 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating video, I really enjoyed it 👍

  • @JG-bp6sn
    @JG-bp6sn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Very interesting analysis of the drawbacks to his style. We're lucky to have him and Embiid together. I'm guessing he'd be significantly less effective with an offense-minded big man like Towns or Jokic.

  • @avib4073
    @avib4073 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Fantastic stuff. Your videos are so detailed and interesting.
    It’s crazy how seasoned vets who have a good idea of when they can get shots off are completely caught off guard when Matisse does his crazy matrix blocks from behind. Gary Trent jr had a frustrated look on his face like damn wow wtf. I know he’s young but Steph did this too.
    Truly a specimen. In pickup games I’ve done this when people drive for layups if I know they have an advantage shooting over me. I just let them get around me and swat from behind. Yes I’m no Matisse but it’s a very tricky yet effective play. He’s a quirky, great defender with a capital Q.
    This brings back memories of when how Ginobili blocked Harden from behind to seal a playoff win I wanna say around 2015. Don’t need to be uber athletic to pull it off it’s mainly timing. Matisse is a beast so that’s why he blocks a ton of shots like this.

  • @kevinchan3668
    @kevinchan3668 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this analysis, thanks for the thorough breakdown./

  • @RsZ789
    @RsZ789 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great analysis. Fascinating stuff

  • @bryant475
    @bryant475 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Awesome, great analysis! He's definitely a rare player! Another player who played like this, was Andrei Kirilenko (AK47). At 6'9, he was the shortest player in NBA history apart from Ben Wallace to average over 3 BPG twice in his career, and lead the league in this category at least once. He's also the only SF to ever do this. In addition, he's the only player in NBA history to finish a season in top 4 in both blocks and steals per game. He also had 3 5x5s in his career (games with at least 5 pts, 5 reb, 5 ast, 5 blk, 5 stl), second only to Hakeem the Dream, who had 6. In addition to Blocks and Steals, hee was also a great all around player, including passing, rebounding, and had a decent mid range and 3 pt shot. With a 37 inch vert in his prime, and a 7'4 wingspan, he was in optimal condition to block shots, but he also had great positioning, timing, anticipation, and straight up effort. Definitely one of the most underrated players ever, and one of the best defenders of all time! I love players who put a lot of effort into defense, and Thybulle, like AK47 is definitely one of them. This video gives a good summary of his rare stats, with highlight video in the background, and how he'd do in today's game: th-cam.com/video/eak73CVfQHk/w-d-xo.html
    P.S I don't remember if you ever made a video similar to this about AK47, but you should!

  • @tabithadavid606
    @tabithadavid606 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Fantastic video! I knew he was a great defender but this thoughtful breakdown really assists my appreciation even better. Love the content!!

  • @johncap5317
    @johncap5317 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video dude 🙌🏻👏🏼👏🏼

  • @scottlindholm8938
    @scottlindholm8938 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very cool video. Thanks for sharing.

  • @Colinkrauss1
    @Colinkrauss1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    He’s been my favorite role player since he checked in to guard Kemba his rookie year and snatched Kemba’s soul! He is a defensive guru!!!

  • @garretnarjes782
    @garretnarjes782 2 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I think the element missed in this analysis is how effective he is at creating offensive fastbreaks. In some of the analysis of the Warriors this season, there's been a correlation between the effectiveness of their defense at creating opportunistic scoring, which across the league is always more efficient than going into a set defense. I think if you examined the easy points he gives up versus the easy points he creates, you might have an answer as to the effectiveness of his defense (ie, separating the noise in determining if he's just good or great).
    Does he increase his team's scoring efficiency with these defensive plays more than he increases the opponents scoring efficiency by forcing these bad rotations. You already gave decent evidence that he's good at reducing on-ball shooting percentage, but I'd want to see perhaps whether opponents score more points in the paint than usual, and whether his defensive effectiveness changes when Embiid is off the floor.
    Not definitive, but a quick scan of his box score +/- does not appear to correlate this. He has 4 games with a very high +/-, but 3 or fewer steals+blocks. He also has 3 games with a very high +/- and more than 3 steals+blocks.
    There's definitely something going on here, and figuring out how to model it will probably improve defensive metrics, even if he is a unique player.

    • @chrollodranx-hunter3389
      @chrollodranx-hunter3389 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Interesting stuff....I'd theorise the more ball dominant guards who are either pass first or score first w/ a shifty handle give him issues in pnr

    • @caponebd7941
      @caponebd7941 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@chrollodranx-hunter3389his specialty is definitely against shooters, so slashers give him comparatively more trouble. It’s hard to say if he would cover them differently without Embiid behind him though. Right now, he doesn’t have to worry too much about a guard scoring consistently in the paint against Joel. That being said, I want to see him stay with Joel on the sixers for a while.

    • @qwertmanjenkins
      @qwertmanjenkins 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't know if it needs to be elements "missed"; this was a great video as is and makes plenty of awesome observations. Interesting comment tho maybe something you could make a video about!

  • @1stMikeWhite
    @1stMikeWhite 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah, this video is super interesting. Well done y’all ✅👍🏽

  • @jrunna198
    @jrunna198 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great observation, and attention to detail... keep this up

  • @zichriosler9552
    @zichriosler9552 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Ball-seeking defense. Definitely keeps him in hunter role. It can also be risky. This cost Philly in game 7 with a costly foul on a 3 point shot in the waning moments.

    • @ballplayer432
      @ballplayer432 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      to be fair that wasn't really a foul

    • @Fahronaces
      @Fahronaces 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He did it twice in that series in game 5 he fouled Trae Young on an important 3 near the end of the game, and he did the same thing to Kevin Huerter in game 7

  • @broccolihighkicks708
    @broccolihighkicks708 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’ve been waiting for this one! I Love Thybulle

  • @jet4247
    @jet4247 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a great content man

  • @slavkoyakitake
    @slavkoyakitake 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Mate !
    Love from Poland

  • @michaelbarnes2617
    @michaelbarnes2617 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I’ve been impressed with his defense since his 2nd year, it says something that he’s considered one of Philly’s leaders as well he’s got a bright future

    • @patrickweir8382
      @patrickweir8382 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah he’s not one of our leaders

    • @michaelbarnes2617
      @michaelbarnes2617 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@patrickweir8382 that’s your opinion

  • @chestanjames1588
    @chestanjames1588 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Would love more videos on defenders like Jrue, Giannis, AD, Bam, etc

  • @AndrewEvenstar
    @AndrewEvenstar 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is awesome. Wow. Great work. This guy has skills

  • @Moondancin
    @Moondancin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am liking and subscribing merely due to the fact you added that clip from Curb.
    Nice taste. Cheers.

  • @nolengerwer3517
    @nolengerwer3517 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    His way of defending from behind would work so well on the bucks where guards have to chase around screens because of Brooks extreme drop coverage

  • @kracerx
    @kracerx ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just a couple games into his time in Portland, and he’s already looked really good - especially when you consider that Portland has been without their starting center. He’s already gotten one of those amazing blocks on what appeared to be a wide open corner 3.

  • @victorpomales8615
    @victorpomales8615 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great insight. Thybulle never really gets talked about as an elite athlete, great job explaining it.

  • @gc1087
    @gc1087 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow this video hit home. This is EXACTLY how I always played defense...I never knew or seen anyone play same until now. It's so accurate too, yes you get a lot of blocks but I tend to let people drive by and help defense is 100% important. Without the help d people get pissed at me that people drive in all the time. Good video!!

  • @Chairman_Miao
    @Chairman_Miao 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    would love to see a video on his former teammate in Seattle Dejounte Murray

  • @TylerMiller04
    @TylerMiller04 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I'm a sixers fan, and I just gotta say, I love Matisse. We all love him actually

  • @evhubbard41
    @evhubbard41 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jus came here to say your thumbnails are legit broski 👌🏾. Always make me do a double take.

  • @tdoublejr
    @tdoublejr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    God I enjoyed this so much! Good video!

  • @athirdwhy9734
    @athirdwhy9734 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Just based on clips you showed, I 'd say he needs to master his techniques bit more. Tries too much to steal and/or block. Sometimes it's enough to redirect/distract the opponent. But yea, definitely worth keeping an eye on his defensive stats to see the impact he's having.

    • @ThinkingBasketball
      @ThinkingBasketball  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah I think he hasn't completely optimized the style yet.

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here’s how all your blocked shots translate into defensive production: Look at the defensive rating with Thybule AND Embiid on the floor, it does not add up to the defensive impact that Nicola Jokic alone has for the Nuggets. Ha. Sorry.
      Defense has always been about positioning and foot work. Stay on your feet, son.

  • @BlueHundred1
    @BlueHundred1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    He's a smart defender who's pretty disciplined but he's also got size and wingspan and explosiveness laterally and vertically. If only he had more of an offensive game. He's such an interesting player.
    Embiid is the defensive anchor and dpoy candidate not thybulle but matisse is a great defender. He's a defensive highlight reel making plays with calculated gambles and his unique style.

  • @micahwalizer2943
    @micahwalizer2943 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great, interesting video. Unique look at Matisse's sklls

  • @radrico
    @radrico 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not a 6ers fan so this wasnt even on my radar. Great spotlight man. I'll be watching his defense going forward :)

  • @johncage3969
    @johncage3969 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Matisse probably owes half of his $33/3yr contract to this video, lmao.

  • @jamessim3360
    @jamessim3360 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Would love to see your update on his play now that he's on the Blazer's.

  • @rn2511
    @rn2511 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Legendary timing 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

  • @chaabraaah5823
    @chaabraaah5823 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also, your breakdown is incredible. Subbed

  • @DankScole
    @DankScole 2 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    When the only badge you have is chase down artist 😂😂

    • @safalligal3849
      @safalligal3849 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      When the only like you have in 4 hours is yours 😂😂

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Here’s how all your blocked shots translate into defensive production: Look at the defensive rating with Thybule AND Embiid on the floor, it does not add up to the defensive impact that Nicola Jokic alone has for the Nuggets. Ha. Sorry.
      Defense has always been about positioning and foot work. Stay on your feet, son.

    • @DankScole
      @DankScole 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@safalligal3849 😐 I forgot to laugh

    • @zachmontminy
      @zachmontminy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@truthhurts837 reach. Embiid owns him.

    • @gauravsimon367
      @gauravsimon367 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DankScole lmaooo

  • @anlstyle
    @anlstyle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for the video. Very interesting. I wonder if his playing from behind is something he developed to compensate for his lack of lateral footspeed. I don't think he can play a normal scheme but he's actually not good at moving his feet, keeping up laterally with attackers.

    • @sunrae7680
      @sunrae7680 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Their making him work on his scoring game. He is making/ taking more shots.

  • @Nickalzz
    @Nickalzz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m glad you added the second half of this video because I spent the whole first half thinking to myself this is just bad defense being covered up by superior athleticism in and length. Now he’s obviously a smart guy and understands his body and angles well but he is definitely hurting the defense in some situation‘s but like I said I think he’s a smart guy and I think eventually he’s going to fine-tune this.

  • @basedlord88
    @basedlord88 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Watched him all thru college cuz grew up a UW fan, guy is so fun to watch, his defense is insane, would love to see him added to a elite team and be their defense glue

  • @AlexHendershot
    @AlexHendershot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    He is the Russell Westbrook of defense…he’s an athletic freak with a crazy high motor, takes risk and causes chaos, sometimes at the expense of his team

    • @KevlarCurt
      @KevlarCurt 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Westbrick

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Here’s how all your blocked shots translate into defensive production: Look at the defensive rating with Thybule AND Embiid on the floor, it does not add up to the defensive impact that Nicola Jokic alone has for the Nuggets. Ha. Sorry.
      Defense has always been about positioning and foot work. Stay on your feet, son.

  • @braedonjames7084
    @braedonjames7084 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I Feel it reminds me of Jordan style defending, high risk/high reward, lots of steals from behind, lots of blocks, lots of passing lane attempts etc.

  • @penmanovicxxxxxx2694
    @penmanovicxxxxxx2694 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One place you could look for evidence of Thybulle's effectiveness in a different scheme is footage of his defence with the Australian national team at the Tokyo olympics. He had moments of incredible effectiveness there as well as a few bizarre plays. Worth a look.

  • @atravellersjourney
    @atravellersjourney 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video my friend, very informative

  • @connor8627
    @connor8627 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    He’s absolutely phenomenal, still can’t believe my Celtics drafted him and then traded him to the 76ers

    • @bdawg2690
      @bdawg2690 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh man, would’ve been a perfect fit for y’all

  • @intendedexpression6609
    @intendedexpression6609 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Top 3 wing defenders rn imo: Thybulle, Herb Jones, and Mikal Bridges. Kawhi is in there when healthy and motivated. Others like Jrue Holiday, Marcus smart and giannis are great too.

    • @qbincashion8058
      @qbincashion8058 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not even including Simmons as an honorable mention is disrespectful

    • @intendedexpression6609
      @intendedexpression6609 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@qbincashion8058 You right, hes really well balanced as a defender perimeter wise and in the paint. Also very disruptive in the passing lanes and his mobility for being 6'10 is insane.

  • @alexclark4968
    @alexclark4968 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful breakdown

  • @simpleyvic
    @simpleyvic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    'Tisse is that dude.. and on behalf of all Philadelphians.. we love him.. that kind of hustle and heart goes a long way with us..
    i just hope he sticks with improving his jumper.. Harden seems determined to feed him in the corner when the opps leave him uncontested. As long as he maintains that confidence, make or miss, and works in the offseason, Philly will love him for life.

  • @1will2kill
    @1will2kill 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    He would be perfect for the Raptors. His help D would fit in perfectly with FVV and our front court.

    • @brittanygarrison8030
      @brittanygarrison8030 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah good luck with that. GO SIXERS.

    • @zoulzopan
      @zoulzopan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      raptors need more scoring not defense.

  • @9Kjack
    @9Kjack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I'd be interested to hear what his teammates think of playing defense with him and his chaotic style

    • @norpriest521
      @norpriest521 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If bucks get Thybulle.
      It's a wrap

    • @averagesixersfan9778
      @averagesixersfan9778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@norpriest521 wont ever happen

    • @IH8AI
      @IH8AI 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      The rest of the Sixers have all started trying to block shots from behind since Matisse was drafted. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    • @truthhurts837
      @truthhurts837 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Here’s how all your blocked shots translate into defensive production: Look at the defensive rating with Thybule AND Embiid on the floor, it does not add up to the defensive impact that Nicola Jokic alone has for the Nuggets. Ha. Sorry.
      Defense has always been about positioning and foot work. Stay on your feet, son.

    • @averagesixersfan9778
      @averagesixersfan9778 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@truthhurts837 ?

  • @TrustyLicious
    @TrustyLicious 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for bringing this to light. Unorthodox defense is mind boggling.

  • @julianc.6589
    @julianc.6589 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    great analysis my man, you got a sub outta me