+Zaire McDonald if it can grip the ground, sure. Did you see something or did they say it was 3.75 0-60? I kinda skipped through. The Crawford had a hard time launching because of the torque.
Im not a huge fan of turbos so Im glad this car was designed naturally aspirated. I installed a Sprintex supercharger instead. Toyota and Subaru left it up to us to build the car how we want it. This is what makes this car special!
One thing they did right. Adding the turbo last. If you address all of the handling, breaking and weight first the turbo just falls into place and completes it. Thats also how im assuming they kept the original feel of the car! awesome work
Cool video Matt thanks for sharing. As someone who has owned an AE86, several 240sx's, an FD, Miata, and now shopping for an S2k, it's great to see the next generation of lightweight RWD cars out on the road and the track, being driven! Looking forward to seeing more episodes from you and your crew.
that's because the FRS has 12:1 compression. If you want to run more boost, you need to lower the compression and we specifically wanted to highlight a build that used a stock bottom end so it was more similar to what most customers would buy.
The scoop from the impreza is there because the STI uses a top-mount intercooler. Since this car uses a front-mount untercooler, there would be no benefit to a scoop, though an extractor may be helpful.
Considering 300whp is about double stock whp thats pretty damn good. A little more work and you get get even more. 20psi E85 and a GTX35r will get you about 540whp. Built block, Precision 64/66 BB, motec m150 and some more fueling and FBM is at over 700whp.
Thanks for this episode. It really shows people what the FRS is intended for. A lot of people seem to be spoiled by the idea of factory-spec performance vehicle then leaving aftermarket tuning to richer folks. A lot of people missed Toyota's point about making this car stock and bland while leaving the driver to upgrade as desired. I hope people watching this episode will walk away with the idea that the FRS is not made to be complete, but allow the owner to do so much more.
I applaud you for stepping up and supporting the FRS platform by building such a well balanced and reasonably priced track car. If there isn't publicity (and passion) like this for aftermarket parts we will lose inexpensive tunable cars like this. I thank you for Name Dropping the parts you did put on the car and the honesty of the Drive review. I wish you the best in your future ventures at VCMC and hope to see more cars from you guys in the future. That all said performance # would be nice.
Hey man, do you have any specific questions? I have a bit of build info on some forums if you'd like but if you have a specific question I'd be happy to answer it for you.
I was wondering what kind of suspension setup you are running and what things you have in order to get the correct geometry. And what size of tires are you running?
We were running KW v2's at the time, however, I believe people have found better solutions now (or maybe v3's), The setup work was done by me. I found the car liked a lot of front camber (-3.4 ish) with around -2 in rear and as much caster as possible. Also running the car very low worked well. A LOT more development has been done on the 86 platform since. I would look up autocross setups that people run for the STX class, they really have the formula locked down now for the 86! Good luck!
They are designed that way, and obviously they are perfectly clear when looking through them. Dillon Optics, the manufacturer (and official eyewear of The Smoking Tire) originally produced anti-glare lenses for sniper rifles; moving to sunglasses is an obvious choice.
I feel you man, I just went back to uni when the FRS/BRZ came out...too broke to buy/take a loan on one right now :( But I bet in two-three years time we'll be able to get a 2013 for 15k easy.
Mike Zita I'm buying it next year and taking a loan out to cover the car and a base turbo kit. Joined the oil industry so I make a lot of money now lol but due to debt I have to wait to pay off school loan..
I know a concern for the frs was tuneability, since it was already so balanced. "Its just better at everything it does." thats all I needed to hear. a well executed purpose build. you guys got to cover more cars of this type.
That involves lots of wrenching, dyno'ing, and track time, which is all beyond our budget. Plus, a video like that would cater to a very specific market (i.e. if we chose parts for a Mustang, those people would love it, and no one else would care). Maximum visibility to the general automotive enthusiast is very important enough, which is why we don't usually get that specific.
+Stephan Gurovsky Gotta love the state of education. People literally don't know how to communicate their ideas to one another because they can't form sentences. It's like the book "1984."
We have a small crew and a limited number of cameras. When we're on the street, we get tons of outside shots, and when we have a track to ourselves we get a ton of outside shots as well, but when we're at an open track day our movements around the track are very limited by the facility rules and it's just not possible to get any more shots than we do. Plus we don't have the budget for an audio guy, so we do the best we can.
I understand how difficult the aftermarket and speed shops are to run. I live in small city in Nebraska I have seen a number of speed shops have come and gone. W/ the struggling economy selling nitch specialty car parts/ whole car package I can only imagine the stress and difficulty. Richard I see you pouring heart in soul into a project just to enjoy your passion for cars and speed and I appreciate that. I hope to design and build speed parts myself one day.
no I meant heat stroke. Heat soak is where the intercooler can't cool any more and the turbo makes less power than when it was cold. Heat stroke is when the thing almost overheats because the needle is past H on the temperature gauge.
I'm thinking the desert had a lot to do with the overheating issue, but that's not a big deal. A few hood vents would help that heat problem and also increase front downforce. This was a great episode of tune, well done Matt!
The highest I got up to was about 125. The corners are pretty high speed sweepers that you take at like 70 or 80, but the straightaway isn't all that long and the wing is a ton of drag at high speed.
Very solid review. I love how well this guy does his reviews; they are detailed, objective and well-presented. Way to go DRIVE for the review, and VCMC for the great car.
Yea, I honestly just flubbed the word. Well aware of the difference, but when you're in a race car and it's hot, you just fuck up sometimes. I also said Hoosier tires when i should have said Hankook. Unfortunately, with our limited access I don't get many do-overs so I just have to roll with it.
HAHA Thanks for the support man!! If I was getting paid for this my friend, I would employ you! This is all just passion. I can't think of a better place to express my passion for motorsports than on the Drive network. It was a dream come true to meet Matt and be a part of the channel!
To tell the truth man, we wouldnt make any money if people were to buy the parts we have installed on the car. We've built the car with passion and were ecstatic to have Matt drive the car and be part of the Drive network. I just hope our sponsors feel they got good recognition from the fantastic episode Matt made!
awesome video! these vids are just really tempting me to get a Scion Frs in the future! The perfect sports car for every day driving! Plus the aftermarket is going to be huge for FRS in the future
Good job on the car. For the overheating issue, the opening on the front of that bumper is plenty large enough for airflow but like you mentioned, ducting will be the key issue to solving your overheating issues. Again, great car and I love the color/vinyl scheme on it.
Besides the heat issues (which is something they would have figured out anyway), I think its a testament to their capabilities that the car felt so solid and balanced, like you said "nothing is overshadowing anything else".
honestly, removing the factory grille work in the nose and possibly adding a hood extractor should be enough to make a noticeable difference, but a bigger intercooler and upgraded pump would help too.
When you're driving a car in the desert, you need sunglasses. This is just a fact. I don't know if they have deserts where you're from, but they are bright as hell. I'd like to not have to wear sunglasses, but I'd also to like to see where I'm going. Plus, I have a sunglasses sponsor. Seeing + Sponsored Shades = Win.
hey Rick thanks for putting Canada on the map when it comes to making cool tuner cars anyeways mad props from Sudbury Ontario dude your are the man and can i get a job doing anything lol
Two points for the well-spoken man! ;-) Up until recently (babies are the death of 2 seaters!), I had a pig nose 240sx that had been through two decades of my right foot, I miss it terribly and long for the day when Nissan bequeaths us with a new US-Spec Silvia. I watched the development of the FR-S as a viable candidate, as it has all the selling points: Lightweight, rear drive, great styling, and comes with the Hachiroku's legendary history. I had an '84 GTS too, which I also regret selling.
Out of pure unashamed greed, I humbly request that you hold all these tuners' collective feet to the flame, and give us an Ultimate Toyobaru Tuner Challenge(tm)! (PS - Thanks for another great review, Matt!)
wow! Many cool things here. Love the FS-S/GT86/BRZ though stock ones are underpowered. This version sporting bit over 300 whp seems just right, no need for crazy power in a fun track car. Love the suspension, shifter and brake mods they did. I know less weight is better than most typical mods but I'd like to keep the interior nicer for daily driving duties. Kudos for pointing out the heatstroke and kudos for the builder for the way they accepted the issue and challenged themselves to sort it.
I like the philosophy of balance. Power to excess is easy, you just throw money at it. Having the exact amount of power needed is an art form. This car is a reliable driver that will stick with just about anything through the twisties for $45k and that's pretty damned impressive.
Another great video Matt!It's nice seeing you drive cars like this and the BMW.For me balance and grip will always be above engine power(not that i don't like it!). Looking forward to your next episode!
I love how you say "clearly you've never" when the opposite is "clearly" true. I've driven several N/A track and race cars, including the season finale from last year, the Championship Winning Turner Motorsports E92 M3, which also had an on/off switch throttle.
It made lots of noise, but couldn't put the power down effectively. It held corners well, but the spherical ball bearings made it sound like the car was broken. It didn't have enough brakes, the shifter was rubbery and awful, and for all the money that went into it, a stock boss 302 would beat it around a track.
No, I said "heat stroke." Heat soak is when an engine makes less than its potential horsepower because the cooling system has absorbed as much heat from the intake manifold as it possibly can. Heat Stroke is when a car overheats and has to be shut down or cooled down on the track.
The spedo does work.. however you're right the warning lights are all on. In search of defeating the traction control 100% and dealing with a braking issue (look up: snow mode) we pulled the ABS fuse. This makes the gauges light up like a christmas tree.
Absolutely man! Both of those for sure! It was the 1st time the car was out on track with the turbo and we have a bunch of work to do. Opening up some more air to the front, ducting away the heat before it hits the engine and a bigger rad would go a LONG way. If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask!
I talked to a sales representative in Japan and he expressed how it was made in the spirit of AE 86. The tires and differentials are made so they don't stick too much on the road and so on. Another words, they designed the car so the drivers can enjoy specific way of driving especially down hill windy roads. In Japan, that means one thing- drifting. Anyway, I appreciate your opinion.
320 WHP from 9lbs of boost on stock internals? Not bad at all. Great video Matt. I was looking forward to this review, along with many others I'm sure.
Thanks for the clarification - great video, otherwise. Definitely enjoying the turn of focus to "balance" rather than outright horsepower. Looking forward to the next episode.
For sure, I'm sure the heat issue could be done away with while keeping the stock look. A new rad would have done wonders for example. Also remember this was filmed in fairly warm weather for December and he was pushing hard. For the only issue of a new turbo system being able to do ONLY 5 hot laps, it really wasn't an issue. Not something you'd worry about on the street.
the balance is fantastic, but with the max performance summer tires the grip levels are so high it's very, very hard to drift. You'd need a ton more power to drift effectively.
True. There's nothing like the FRS and BRZ offered right now. Great car...I just think they are going to offer more power eventually, since every manufacturer is offering more and more power every year on cars.
If you're interested I suggest looking through some of the 86 forums online. Lots of people are thinking about going turbo and there are a bunch of different companies producing kits. We went with full blown because we saw they had done so much testing on their kit in development, it was a no brainer.
This is what is the same as we have in Europe where it's badge as a Toyota FT-86... seems like a very nicely developed improvement... As long as they sort the cooling out. The chassis seems fine for handling 320 at the rear... Just like I imagined it might before I saw Man's excellent video. 200bhp really was too weak for a debut of the car!!
Great Season Start - Looks and sounds great this Turboed FR-S, think we gonna se a lot of mods and versions with this car in the years to come. In this 2013 season i would love to see something perhaps unbalanced - The Aventador UGR Twin Turbo - claimed 2.2 0-60!. Else i´m happy with the balanced approach. Seeing forward to more episodes thanks ;)
We would NEVER sue Matt. Even if he had balled it up in the desert that day. We gave the keys to him to really push the car and test it and he took it to the limits he was comfortable with. I've driven the car after Matt and felt absolutely NO damage of any sort. He was a complete professional and I even urged him to push the car harder. I don't completely understand how you could diagnose our tune from a video but I'll get back to you when we get some dyno time.
beautiful set up for that purist! was more of a dig at matt saying its lost nothing of the orignal FRS and has the same personality lol. Id buy one in a heartbeat if it was a financially viable way to go!
95% of people arent driving fast enough to warrent stripping the interior let alone removing airbags imao, Just stick to backseat deletes and changing the front seats to something lighter/more supportive and your fine, because you can always just bolt them back.
If you think about that the car was built in Vancouver canada where its much cooler then in california it makes sense that the FRS was over heating. In Canada it was most likely making more power due to the cooler air as well as not having as bad of heat soak issues. Clearly they need more air flow to keep it cool, but its possible they would not have noticed in the much cooler canada.
I don't understand why, when I drive a car that is designed specifically not to drift, that it's not cool unless I drift? Makes no sense. Either way, I did try one. The track has such fast corners that I didn't have enough RPM in second to make it work, and I didn't have enough power in 3rd to make it work. You need to put the stock tires back on the car if you want to drift it.
With tires as sticky as the Hankook RS3's on a car that light, drifting it, even with the extra power, is very difficult. This car was set up to grip, not drift.
Yeah, I think they will too. It was the same with the AE86, which this replaces. From what I remember, there was a base DX/SR5 model and a GTS model with more HP. It's a shame there are not more cars like this.
They are being very conservtive on the boost imo but then again they did just finish the build. I wonder if they are having trouble with oil temp cause Perrin came out with an oil cooler that showed significant results but overall the car looks sweet!
Lighter car is always fun to drive on tracks. Thumbs up.
lighter cars are more fun to drive anywhere.
350whp makes for 0-60 in about 3.75 seconds. And that's without weight reduction. Ah the lightweight glory
+Zaire McDonald if it can grip the ground, sure. Did you see something or did they say it was 3.75 0-60? I kinda skipped through. The Crawford had a hard time launching because of the torque.
0-60 calculators. They give a rough estimate of how fast things should go
hb the quarter mile
Peak horsepower doesnt really dictate 0-60 times... its torque that does
@@NMChiphopdawg grip more so.
Im not a huge fan of turbos so Im glad this car was designed naturally aspirated. I installed a Sprintex supercharger instead. Toyota and Subaru left it up to us to build the car how we want it. This is what makes this car special!
One thing they did right. Adding the turbo last. If you address all of the handling, breaking and weight first the turbo just falls into place and completes it. Thats also how im assuming they kept the original feel of the car! awesome work
+ahudson2012 thank you sir!
A VENTED hood should help a lot with the heat
+Josh H It actually took even less than that. You're right though.
Cool video Matt thanks for sharing. As someone who has owned an AE86, several 240sx's, an FD, Miata, and now shopping for an S2k, it's great to see the next generation of lightweight RWD cars out on the road and the track, being driven! Looking forward to seeing more episodes from you and your crew.
"hoosiers" was a mistake. It's hankook RS3's.
that's because the FRS has 12:1 compression. If you want to run more boost, you need to lower the compression and we specifically wanted to highlight a build that used a stock bottom end so it was more similar to what most customers would buy.
My wife is amazing. She picked out on her own a '13 FR-S with 3,000 miles! Her last car took a shit and she did all the searching.
Congratulations ! I'm only 13
Damn man you chooooosed the good girl!
Keeper
The scoop from the impreza is there because the STI uses a top-mount intercooler. Since this car uses a front-mount untercooler, there would be no benefit to a scoop, though an extractor may be helpful.
Damn, this thing is cool.
Only in the US would a car with 320RWHP be considered "not powerful".
i think 320rwhp is a decent amount of power but considering its an aftermarket turbocharged car ppl expect more
Considering 300whp is about double stock whp thats pretty damn good. A little more work and you get get even more. 20psi E85 and a GTX35r will get you about 540whp. Built block, Precision 64/66 BB, motec m150 and some more fueling and FBM is at over 700whp.
sofargone561
300 is not double the stock... The stock is 200. ;)
***** it's about 150 hp at the wheels so 300 is double the power ;)
200hp at the flywheel..... This is 320whp, the frs has about 150-160whp. 150 x2 = 300 so yes it is over twice the power?
Thanks for this episode. It really shows people what the FRS is intended for. A lot of people seem to be spoiled by the idea of factory-spec performance vehicle then leaving aftermarket tuning to richer folks. A lot of people missed Toyota's point about making this car stock and bland while leaving the driver to upgrade as desired.
I hope people watching this episode will walk away with the idea that the FRS is not made to be complete, but allow the owner to do so much more.
24 hours of lemons? sounds very acidic.
I applaud you for stepping up and supporting the FRS platform by building such a well balanced and reasonably priced track car. If there isn't publicity (and passion) like this for aftermarket parts we will lose inexpensive tunable cars like this. I thank you for Name Dropping the parts you did put on the car and the honesty of the Drive review. I wish you the best in your future ventures at VCMC and hope to see more cars from you guys in the future. That all said performance # would be nice.
where can I find more details about the build of this car?
Parts used etc?
Hey man, do you have any specific questions? I have a bit of build info on some forums if you'd like but if you have a specific question I'd be happy to answer it for you.
I was wondering what kind of suspension setup you are running and what things you have in order to get the correct geometry.
And what size of tires are you running?
We were running KW v2's at the time, however, I believe people have found better solutions now (or maybe v3's), The setup work was done by me. I found the car liked a lot of front camber (-3.4 ish) with around -2 in rear and as much caster as possible. Also running the car very low worked well. A LOT more development has been done on the 86 platform since. I would look up autocross setups that people run for the STX class, they really have the formula locked down now for the 86! Good luck!
Richard Basford good work man!
They are designed that way, and obviously they are perfectly clear when looking through them. Dillon Optics, the manufacturer (and official eyewear of The Smoking Tire) originally produced anti-glare lenses for sniper rifles; moving to sunglasses is an obvious choice.
Hopefully the price drops a lot by a year or so from now so I can afford it! :D strap a turbo on that bitch asap
I think the 2015 is like around $25,670 stock and for the 2014 is $25,470 manual of course.
***** I know in San Diego its 1500 off 14s now.
I feel you man, I just went back to uni when the FRS/BRZ came out...too broke to buy/take a loan on one right now :( But I bet in two-three years time we'll be able to get a 2013 for 15k easy.
Mike Zita I'm buying it next year and taking a loan out to cover the car and a base turbo kit. Joined the oil industry so I make a lot of money now lol but due to debt I have to wait to pay off school loan..
Called another dealer in CA. They have one 2013 new 2000 off.
This car isn't ruined; it's great. The last tuned Mustang I drove was a mess though.
45 what!!!i think i would go with the s2k!!!
s2000 is so overrated
I know a concern for the frs was tuneability, since it was already so balanced. "Its just better at everything it does." thats all I needed to hear. a well executed purpose build. you guys got to cover more cars of this type.
THEY KEPT THE STOCK BRAKE LIGHTS REEEEE
That involves lots of wrenching, dyno'ing, and track time, which is all beyond our budget. Plus, a video like that would cater to a very specific market (i.e. if we chose parts for a Mustang, those people would love it, and no one else would care). Maximum visibility to the general automotive enthusiast is very important enough, which is why we don't usually get that specific.
LFA is ugly as fuck, FRS, BRZ, 86 they made that over prices lexus better looking with few changes, and THANKK GODDDD
This makes absolutely no sense.
LFA is 1000 times better tho, and nothing to do with the gt86
+Stephan Gurovsky Gotta love the state of education. People literally don't know how to communicate their ideas to one another because they can't form sentences. It's like the book "1984."
We have a small crew and a limited number of cameras. When we're on the street, we get tons of outside shots, and when we have a track to ourselves we get a ton of outside shots as well, but when we're at an open track day our movements around the track are very limited by the facility rules and it's just not possible to get any more shots than we do. Plus we don't have the budget for an audio guy, so we do the best we can.
The FRS is the poor mans LFA.
The LFA is the rich man's FRS.
That's more like it.
yet u are the poor man.
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cosmicquandary im talkin to sadman
You're claiming that a 553HP V10 4.8L supercar, and a 200HP V4 2.0L are somehow comparable? Maybe by the color.
@VemacRD350 they may, though its not required for the tuner challenge and adds weight
an exhaust, intake, headers, and a tune. That's it. the internals and heads are 100% stock.
No, it was just that on further reflection later (the video was already finished) sometimes my point of view on the car changes.
I understand how difficult the aftermarket and speed shops are to run. I live in small city in Nebraska I have seen a number of speed shops have come and gone. W/ the struggling economy selling nitch specialty car parts/ whole car package I can only imagine the stress and difficulty. Richard I see you pouring heart in soul into a project just to enjoy your passion for cars and speed and I appreciate that. I hope to design and build speed parts myself one day.
no I meant heat stroke. Heat soak is where the intercooler can't cool any more and the turbo makes less power than when it was cold. Heat stroke is when the thing almost overheats because the needle is past H on the temperature gauge.
I'm thinking the desert had a lot to do with the overheating issue, but that's not a big deal. A few hood vents would help that heat problem and also increase front downforce. This was a great episode of tune, well done Matt!
The highest I got up to was about 125. The corners are pretty high speed sweepers that you take at like 70 or 80, but the straightaway isn't all that long and the wing is a ton of drag at high speed.
Nice to see this home grown Vancouver car showcased on Drive! Great job by VCMC & Shift putting this together over the past year.
SO glad to have you back Matt! And what a great car to open the season. Looking forward to more!
Very solid review. I love how well this guy does his reviews; they are detailed, objective and well-presented.
Way to go DRIVE for the review, and VCMC for the great car.
Yea, I honestly just flubbed the word. Well aware of the difference, but when you're in a race car and it's hot, you just fuck up sometimes. I also said Hoosier tires when i should have said Hankook. Unfortunately, with our limited access I don't get many do-overs so I just have to roll with it.
HAHA Thanks for the support man!! If I was getting paid for this my friend, I would employ you! This is all just passion. I can't think of a better place to express my passion for motorsports than on the Drive network. It was a dream come true to meet Matt and be a part of the channel!
To tell the truth man, we wouldnt make any money if people were to buy the parts we have installed on the car. We've built the car with passion and were ecstatic to have Matt drive the car and be part of the Drive network. I just hope our sponsors feel they got good recognition from the fantastic episode Matt made!
wow my work is only 3 minutes away from shift in burnaby.
i see this car every day and it's beautiful.
great job!
awesome video! these vids are just really tempting me to get a Scion Frs in the future! The perfect sports car for every day driving! Plus the aftermarket is going to be huge for FRS in the future
Good job on the car. For the overheating issue, the opening on the front of that bumper is plenty large enough for airflow but like you mentioned, ducting will be the key issue to solving your overheating issues. Again, great car and I love the color/vinyl scheme on it.
Besides the heat issues (which is something they would have figured out anyway), I think its a testament to their capabilities that the car felt so solid and balanced, like you said "nothing is overshadowing anything else".
honestly, removing the factory grille work in the nose and possibly adding a hood extractor should be enough to make a noticeable difference, but a bigger intercooler and upgraded pump would help too.
the 320 WHP number is actual. the crank number is estimated ( and low, at that) .
Welcome back Matt,not my cup of tea but you do a great job catering for the masses.I'll certainly be keeping an eye on my Drive Chanel subscription.
When you're driving a car in the desert, you need sunglasses. This is just a fact. I don't know if they have deserts where you're from, but they are bright as hell. I'd like to not have to wear sunglasses, but I'd also to like to see where I'm going. Plus, I have a sunglasses sponsor. Seeing + Sponsored Shades = Win.
hey Rick thanks for putting Canada on the map when it comes to making cool tuner cars anyeways mad props from Sudbury Ontario dude your are the man and can i get a job doing anything lol
Two points for the well-spoken man! ;-) Up until recently (babies are the death of 2 seaters!), I had a pig nose 240sx that had been through two decades of my right foot, I miss it terribly and long for the day when Nissan bequeaths us with a new US-Spec Silvia. I watched the development of the FR-S as a viable candidate, as it has all the selling points: Lightweight, rear drive, great styling, and comes with the Hachiroku's legendary history. I had an '84 GTS too, which I also regret selling.
Wheels, tires, brakes, carbon fiber parts, that stuff adds up quick.
Out of pure unashamed greed, I humbly request that you hold all these tuners' collective feet to the flame, and give us an Ultimate Toyobaru Tuner Challenge(tm)! (PS - Thanks for another great review, Matt!)
wow! Many cool things here. Love the FS-S/GT86/BRZ though stock ones are underpowered. This version sporting bit over 300 whp seems just right, no need for crazy power in a fun track car. Love the suspension, shifter and brake mods they did. I know less weight is better than most typical mods but I'd like to keep the interior nicer for daily driving duties.
Kudos for pointing out the heatstroke and kudos for the builder for the way they accepted the issue and challenged themselves to sort it.
I like the philosophy of balance. Power to excess is easy, you just throw money at it. Having the exact amount of power needed is an art form. This car is a reliable driver that will stick with just about anything through the twisties for $45k and that's pretty damned impressive.
Another great video Matt!It's nice seeing you drive cars like this and the BMW.For me balance and grip will always be above engine power(not that i don't like it!).
Looking forward to your next episode!
I love how you say "clearly you've never" when the opposite is "clearly" true. I've driven several N/A track and race cars, including the season finale from last year, the Championship Winning Turner Motorsports E92 M3, which also had an on/off switch throttle.
You've come a long way from feeling the need to argue with the morons of youtube lmao
It made lots of noise, but couldn't put the power down effectively. It held corners well, but the spherical ball bearings made it sound like the car was broken. It didn't have enough brakes, the shifter was rubbery and awful, and for all the money that went into it, a stock boss 302 would beat it around a track.
No, I said "heat stroke." Heat soak is when an engine makes less than its potential horsepower because the cooling system has absorbed as much heat from the intake manifold as it possibly can. Heat Stroke is when a car overheats and has to be shut down or cooled down on the track.
I tested back to back at autox and at track, with and without, I can tell you from personal experience it makes a big difference.
I'm glad to hear the Subaru engine doesn't let out the fart gargle that all the WRX do! Good to see you back Matt!
This show is the only reason I'm subscribed to drive.
The spedo does work.. however you're right the warning lights are all on. In search of defeating the traction control 100% and dealing with a braking issue (look up: snow mode) we pulled the ABS fuse. This makes the gauges light up like a christmas tree.
Glad to see you're back guys, we've missed you
Good video! Nice job, Matt and crew. Very nice shots in this one.
Absolutely man! Both of those for sure! It was the 1st time the car was out on track with the turbo and we have a bunch of work to do. Opening up some more air to the front, ducting away the heat before it hits the engine and a bigger rad would go a LONG way. If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask!
I fucking love you and Tuned Matt, glad your back with another season and some badass cars.
Happy that Season 3 is here................ Big smiles and waiting eagerly...
Thx guys can't wait for the year ahead. Without doubt the number motor channel. Thx Donut. ( Scotland )
great exhaust note, and the turbo really brings it together. I feel like 200 something crank hp wouldn't be enough to keep the car exciting.
Hey Matt - even Europe/Northern Germany is watching ;D Keep on doing your show and keep your cool attitude !
I talked to a sales representative in Japan and he expressed how it was made in the spirit of AE 86. The tires and differentials are made so they don't stick too much on the road and so on. Another words, they designed the car so the drivers can enjoy specific way of driving especially down hill windy roads. In Japan, that means one thing- drifting. Anyway, I appreciate your opinion.
320 WHP from 9lbs of boost on stock internals? Not bad at all. Great video Matt. I was looking forward to this review, along with many others I'm sure.
Thanks for the clarification - great video, otherwise. Definitely enjoying the turn of focus to "balance" rather than outright horsepower. Looking forward to the next episode.
For sure, I'm sure the heat issue could be done away with while keeping the stock look. A new rad would have done wonders for example. Also remember this was filmed in fairly warm weather for December and he was pushing hard. For the only issue of a new turbo system being able to do ONLY 5 hot laps, it really wasn't an issue. Not something you'd worry about on the street.
the balance is fantastic, but with the max performance summer tires the grip levels are so high it's very, very hard to drift. You'd need a ton more power to drift effectively.
i love it..Tuned is a great part of the Drive channel ... thx Matt
HOLY SHIT IM PUMPED
Dear everybody at drive,
THANK YOU
i've wanted to see this ever since the release of these cars
This is one of the few cars that are relatively cheap & is a huge load of fun to drive
True. There's nothing like the FRS and BRZ offered right now. Great car...I just think they are going to offer more power eventually, since every manufacturer is offering more and more power every year on cars.
If you're interested I suggest looking through some of the 86 forums online. Lots of people are thinking about going turbo and there are a bunch of different companies producing kits. We went with full blown because we saw they had done so much testing on their kit in development, it was a no brainer.
This is what is the same as we have in Europe where it's badge as a Toyota FT-86... seems like a very nicely developed improvement... As long as they sort the cooling out. The chassis seems fine for handling 320 at the rear... Just like I imagined it might before I saw Man's excellent video. 200bhp really was too weak for a debut of the car!!
This is the power they should come with from factory.
Great Season Start - Looks and sounds great this Turboed FR-S, think we gonna se a lot of mods and versions with this car in the years to come.
In this 2013 season i would love to see something perhaps unbalanced - The Aventador UGR Twin Turbo - claimed 2.2 0-60!. Else i´m happy with the balanced approach. Seeing forward to more episodes thanks ;)
The front diffusers are located below and behind the front splitter typically on Leman prototypes
We would NEVER sue Matt. Even if he had balled it up in the desert that day. We gave the keys to him to really push the car and test it and he took it to the limits he was comfortable with. I've driven the car after Matt and felt absolutely NO damage of any sort. He was a complete professional and I even urged him to push the car harder. I don't completely understand how you could diagnose our tune from a video but I'll get back to you when we get some dyno time.
Loved the video great start for the new season.
To all the people who just read the numbers and complain test drive one and you'll change your tune.
Welcome back guys we missed you! keep up the great material!
beautiful set up for that purist! was more of a dig at matt saying its lost nothing of the orignal FRS and has the same personality lol. Id buy one in a heartbeat if it was a financially viable way to go!
Awesome work Matt! Looks like you had a blast!
I want this, just with full interior, simple paint job and no wing(probably functional). I bet its a BLAST! no replacement for light weight
I don't know how I feel about the stock 3 point seat belt but deleted curtain airbags. Those things only weigh like 3 pounds.
95% of people arent driving fast enough to warrent stripping the interior let alone removing airbags imao, Just stick to backseat deletes and changing the front seats to something lighter/more supportive and your fine, because you can always just bolt them back.
FullBlown from Minnesota. Represent, baby!
If you think about that the car was built in Vancouver canada where its much cooler then in california it makes sense that the FRS was over heating. In Canada it was most likely making more power due to the cooler air as well as not having as bad of heat soak issues. Clearly they need more air flow to keep it cool, but its possible they would not have noticed in the much cooler canada.
Glad to see you back Matt!! Best show on Drive!
yes, obviously I misspoke, as sometimes it's hard to keep shit straight while out on the track. I corrected myself later in the video.
yes, I know. I've answered this several times in the comments so far. I misspoke when I said hoosiers, they are Hankooks.
I don't understand why, when I drive a car that is designed specifically not to drift, that it's not cool unless I drift? Makes no sense. Either way, I did try one. The track has such fast corners that I didn't have enough RPM in second to make it work, and I didn't have enough power in 3rd to make it work. You need to put the stock tires back on the car if you want to drift it.
I love my FR-S yes it may sound bad, It is a auto but seriously it is a amazing car and I can see myself getting a new one later down the road.
Good to have you guys back.
With tires as sticky as the Hankook RS3's on a car that light, drifting it, even with the extra power, is very difficult. This car was set up to grip, not drift.
Yeah, I think they will too. It was the same with the AE86, which this replaces. From what I remember, there was a base DX/SR5 model and a GTS model with more HP. It's a shame there are not more cars like this.
They are being very conservtive on the boost imo but then again they did just finish the build. I wonder if they are having trouble with oil temp cause Perrin came out with an oil cooler that showed significant results but overall the car looks sweet!