The only problem is that people still think that Parvati has full control of the Sandra jerri double idol play even though it was Russell’s plan the whole time and production hid it 😂😂🤣🤣
I would say 20. Sugar 19. Randy 18. James 17. Stephanie 16. Tyson 15. Cirie 14. Rob 13. Courtney 12. Tom 11. Coach 10. Candice 9. JT 8. Rupert 7. Amanda 6. Sandra 5. Colby 4. Danielle 3. Jerri 2. Russell 1. Parvati
Timestamps 1:09 number 20 Amber 2:07 number 19 Sandra 3:26 number 18 Danni 5:00 number 17 Ethan 6:44 number 16 Adam 9:20 number 15 Boston Rob 11:31 number 14 Yul 13:43 number 13 Wendell 15:24 number 12 Tyson 17:25 number 11 Natalie 20:41 number 10 Parvati 23:04 number 9 Michelle 25:57 number 8 Denise 28:45 number 7 Jeremy 30:44 number 6 Ben 33:44 number 5 Nick 36:22 number 4 Kim 39:05 number 3 Sophie 41:28 number 2 Sarah 44:34 number 1 Tony
Tony had to completely reinvent his game this season and you saw him play the game in sections. He realized he had to lay low and build social connections in the beginning and when he formed a strong alliance then he could play more of his game we know and love. I’d say this was a top 3 performances of all time and his 2 wins combined make him the goat.
This is something I feel like nobody talks about. Parv had an idol nullifier. Use it to trade like you said. Or she couldve even passed it off as an idol and scared someone into voting with her. I know she was in a really bad spot fighting against a pre-game alliance but I feel like there were some possibilities I would've liked to see play out.
Still don’t think Nick would’ve bite he seemed to lack any legit original ideas in his head this season probably went to Yul and say vote out Wendell he and Michele used to date and if I’m gone your next Nick will do what he told and Wendell and Michele gonna to stick together if the chance the merge doesn’t happen soon.
Parv had no chance because Michelle, Yul, Wendell and Nick were in a pre merged alliance. Check out Michelle’s podcast interview. Huge respect for her for not hiding the fact that they made an alliance before the game even started
Yeah, like what theposter above commented. Michele had a pre-game alliance with the other 4, she admitted to it and said Parv was going home the moment she picked the sele buff. She only tried to work with Parv for the fire tokens.
7:45 Michele said on a podcast that Adam was never in real trouble of leaving pre-swap. She said if Sele went to tribal again, Jeremy/Parv/B-Rob would have voted Adam, and Denise/Adam/Ben/Michele would have voted B Rob or Parvati.
Right. The show neglected to show how Adam handled Rob throwing him under the bus. Rob told Adam he was going to do it and Adam warned everyone beforehand of Rob's plan.
The fact that Nick is 5 is kinda dumb - he barely did anything this season, was naïve when he voted out Jeremy, caused a target to be on his back by seeming sketchy... It doesn’t make sense to me that you’re dragging Michele for the things you’re dragging her for, yet praising Nick.
Yeah I agree with you. (I think Nick played a pretty solid pre-merge game but I'll also say that the decision to vote off Yul instead of Wendell was a mistake as he lost Sophie's trust.) But yeah, what did he really do that warranted him a top 5 spot? Michele at least didn't trust Tony while Nick was far more loyal to him which caused him to make some decisions that weren't good for his game (i.e. voting Jeremy out). Also, Nick proved he was no better than Adam went getting caught trying to vote someone out (when he stumbled all over the place to Tony which was just as bad as when Adam couldn't explain his situation to Ben clearly a couple of rounds earlier.) As much as I like Nick, I just don't see where he played a top 5 worthy game. Plus, no one's deep dives have revealed anything new about his game, either.
Tony said Nick was actually a much more significant player and orchestrated the Sophie/ Wendell vote outs and he also said editing didn’t do him justice so idk
Jonas Kinsey idk tbh but tony said that nick wanted him out and gave tony info and decided he had to go bc he knew Wendell was a threat based on the Yul vote out
Ben was flawed in that: He was outplayed by Boston Rob hours into the game divulging information that couldve been useful to him. Days in he is known as someone who doesn't have much rationale as in one of the early Sele tribals he opposes Rob and Parvati only to agree with them, and not even realising at first. He loses Danni and Ethan both of which I think were worse than Parvati which he actively wanted out. He acts highly emotional at points with Jeremy and Adam causing him to lose agency in the game and have two people actively against him on the jury. Tries to hide the idol from Tony only to get caught out which is another negative Tony could bring up if he was at ftc and Tony was not. The only reason Tony didnt get mad at him and still worked with him was because he was a goat to him. He gives up at 5 due to a perception the jury didnt like him.
Agree with you. Ben is a bottom 5 player this season. He was able to form good relationships with Sarah, Sophie and Denise which is what got him to the final 5. That's about all he did that was good. Michele played a far better social game (she wasn't a jerk to people she wasn't tight with) - she was just unlucky that her closest allies were targeted far more than Ben's.
@@ESCSteph I think it's also important to note Michelle actually knew Edge would be on this season so her playing the jury management role really was not bad gameplay whatsoever. Again, I think she played pretty alright, it was just a shame all the people she voted with were seen as threats to either the dominant group of people in the game or to the majority of the tribe.
That why being on right side like Nick and Ben or surviving a vote like Michele is not a good way to look at rankings if they played overall disappointing games whereas Yul I think dominance in premerge and I think was justified in trying to vote out Wendell someone who was a loose cannon if placed somewhere like 14th.
Ben was in the majority and on the correct side of the vote the ENTIRE game (Sophie vote being the only exception). He worked with the majority old-schoolers for the first vote, then flipped on them for the following votes, then established a new majority with the girls at the swap, then established a new majority with Tony that controlled the entire merge. He formed very tight bonds with Tony, Sara, Sophie, and Denise that lasted though the game. He found an idol and played it correctly. He could’ve sat at the end had he chosen to do so. The hate for Ben makes no sense, and it’s coming from the same contrarians who praise Michelle’s clueless game and worship the ground Kim walks on despite watching all of her plans fail this season. Kim at 4, seriously?? @me
Same. Sandra had a successful pre swap and then the big move blew up in her face so I can’t say she can be above Ethan who really did less wrong prior to his elimination but still
what we didn’t see on camera is she was the next target regardless of how much she screwed her game. parv was never the target and she just did it as a last way to save her game
Nah she was on the outs for almost every vote in the game except the Dani, Ethan,yul,Sophie votes. She was.mostly clueless like at the Jeremy vote and the Kim votes. And she needed the f6 and f5 immunities so I think she should be above Denise but def not Ben who was always in the majority
Jack Dean Women do get shafted in edits - but too many players, including Wendell, said he did have a big hand in the elimination. This was basically the one vote Tony & Sophie worked on. Sophie was unhappy with the Yul vote out, and this lead to Tony grilling Nick and Wendell. Wendell gave Tony worse answers so they decided to go after Wendell.
Yes i agree, aft her second win. It seems that Sandra was more concerned about being the Queen. She wanted flashy moves to cement her status and played emotionally. She completely did a 180 on her winning strategies and was more focused on revenge. Which was sad cause she is great TV and would have made it far or even to the finals cause no chance she becomes a 3 time winner.
very late. but thats the thing. no one here was hated. her old strategy is not going to get her a third win. she had to play hard just like she did in Game Changers because of the fact she went into this game as arguably the biggest target of the season. so she really had no choice but to do a 180 on her gameplay. because yes the "anybody but me/take the most hated player to the end" strat works in a normal season and even a normal All-Star season. theres no way itll work in a game like WaW
Disagree if she didn't have Rob there backing her up she would've been voted out sooner. She was coming in DOA and by aligning with Rob she was able to up her chances to "on life support"
Kork that is social game bc nobody was holding a gun to Rob’s head saying that he needs to work with her, it’s called social game lmao. They were using each other as shields bc they knew they needed too.
Great video as always man. A huge fan of your content. I mostly agree with your list, (except I might put Parvati down a bit, just below Wendell. This is not to diss her but I don't think Parvati did much in the game imo. She had a huge target on her and if it wasn't for Rob, she could have been one of the first few boots possiblity. I do agree she was swapped screwed massively tho). Can't wait to see the next video. Keep it up!
He was overly harsh in some points where Michele was more scrappy than he gives her credit for but if you don’t have much power in the post merge it’s hard to be seen as a candidate to win an FTC. I feel like other sources like RHAP have been fair in their depiction of Michele’s game. Maybe Survivor Specialist has the Phil bias going against her but even then he knows she had no shot to win
@@vaporterra I definitely disagree with a degree of what he bases his analysis on in this video, but the overall sentiment is honestly refreshing to hear at this point. Was really hopeful for players like her and Ben to change the narrative surrounding them as survivor players (a la Sarah in Game Changers) but she definitely left me unimpressed
Appreciate the objective analysis of Michele’s game. I would have her a little higher because i do put stock in immunity wins, but i agree. She didn’t know what was going on most of the time
According to Adam on RHAP (and being that he acknowledges his missteps, I trust him on this), Rob’s lie to get him targeted after the Ethan vote wasn’t actually as successful as the edit made it seem. He told the tribe about Rob’s plan to lie before it happened, and explained that it made no sense for him to jump into a minority alliance with the people who just voted for him. Plus he and Michele were actually super tight, so she, Ben, and Denise would not have let him go. On Yara though, for sure he would have been screwed if they want to tribal again.
@Wild Card Watson You like Adam but he was pretty delusional this whole game? That doesn't sound like the words of someone who likes him. Whether or not you buy what he's selling, he still had some great ideas (and crazy bad mistakes), but at least he was out there trying to win the game by making bold moves. Also, playing the podium idol was brilliant and he was going home anyway so he had absolutely nothing to lose! You can believe his logic for why he whole-heartedly believed it was a real idol, or not. I choose to believe him (he thought Ben was so close to Sarah because she shared her idol with him and he started thinking it was the podium idol, he saw Palesa in season 6 of SA Survivor play one in the exact same spot, the camera people seated him closest to it every TC, it looked like Denise's idol, there are fleur-de-lises on every single pre-merge buff) because he is someone who is a super-duper fan who sits there in the game and thinks about anything he can do to get himself to the end and win the game.
Honestly, even though he’s not super popular and also didn’t have a great edit, I thought he put himself in good positions. He simply messed up with Tony in the end, but tony is tough competition.
Yes, he did. He was part of that singles group for the pre swap. At the swap he was in a perfect position. At the merge he was on the outs but intrigates himself into the majority and stays with tony and tony trusts him at the Sophie boot which was great. Then he is the swing vote at the Jeremy vote and then just gets voted out cuz Michelle wins immunity
@@xakdish4169 fair point, but I don't think Nick and Jeremy would have worked together at all. Remember Jeremy wanted Nick gone at the merge so that Jeremy can be Wendell's number 1 himself. Also Jeremy still would have been willing to work with Tony over Nick as well. So yeah.
It's much easier for a GOAT to be on the right side of every vote than a more independent skilled player who prefers smaller but committed alliances, and has to scramble because every vote is a challenge. If you rank every player from all the seasons according to who had the better percentage of being on the right side of every vote, you have many low ranking players at the top of your list.
It made me so mad when Natalie returning almost cost Tony the game. I'm honestly even more impressed with Tony that he was able to overcome someone who was immune at literally every tribal saying he was gonna win. I hate so much how edge returnees help poor players like Michelle and hurt good players like Tony. Tony works so hard to minimize his in-game threat level but yet make the jury adore him, but here comes the first boot with all the info and an idol and relationships on the jury who gets to say whatever she wants. It made me made on s38 when Chris returning costed Victoria and Lauren the game, as I thought they were the two best players left.
I hated the Edge in season 38, but loved it here. It was a meeting of the titans, Tony won the game and Nat won the Edge. When they squared off in the Finale, I was happy with who won. Tony earned it, and I loved Nat. Great entertainment!
Your comment proves that Edge of Extinction doesn’t help “poor” players and hurt “good players”. Natalie did not win, meaning there are flaws that can impact EoE returnees. And Survivor is just as much physical as it is strategic. Natalie dominated Edge, if you deny that then you’re most definitely a Tony fan. He’s a great player, but why are people STILL pissed at Nat, even though she didn’t win? It’s like they are saying “how dare you try to beat Tony”
@@TheCrusherofice I don't blame Nat at all for trying, and I don't take anything away from her dominating the edge. It's just that she did come very close to winning, which shouldn't be possible. Yes, she dominated the edge. But she was on the edge because she failed in the main game so badly that she was voted out first. It's not even fair to consider her edge domination to anyone in the game. You don't know how ___ would've done on the edge if they had been voted out first. You fundamentally have to fail at survivor and need a second chance to be on the edge, so every player who didn't need a second chance in the first place is automatically better. Edge is so flawed and it makes it very easy for returnees to reach the end, and sometimes win. Natalie had the opportunity to make the jury love her, but her social game sucked and as a result they didn't want to reward her. At least Chris utilized his ridiculous advantage of knowing the jury and having all the info to win, and while it's stupid, at least he did it right.
Will Rambo Yeah i can see where you’re coming from. I always thought like Survivor should’ve never implemented a twist that makes people return, Redemption Island wasn’t too bad I guess. Nat definitely lacked a social game, but I’m seeing a lot of hate for Nat as if it was her fault that EoE exists or as if she doesnt deserve to be in the f3. Like sure I don’t think she should’ve beaten Tony, but I’m not gonna knock her game because I’m upset at a twist. But yeah I agree, I hope they don’t bring back EoE, but I understand why they did bring it back for an all winners season.
The edge can really screw up other players in the game like if anything went wrong I can see Tony going home and living with jury is stupid that like a defendant or prosecutor spending days with Jury before a trial some people are bound to be biased regardless and people from premerge shouldn't be on juries you can be in final 3 and not have spoken to or played with a finalist before. I would voted for Chris over Gavin because well Gavin is Gavin but Chris shouldn’t get to come in at the end it really robbed Rick or Victoria from winning and almost robbed Tony.
Start from Borneo because if a new season comes out then you will have to go out of order to cover that season. And yes do this for all of the seasons. This is good video
Danni would be number 20 for me. She blew up the old school alliance that would have saved all of their butts. Amber was mostly screwed by being married to Boston Rob, while Danni was running around with loose lips like she had never seen the show before.
The danni boot was edited differently than what actually happened simply because it isnt that relevant to the season. She got blamed for the natalie boot for no reason and there was a rumor spreading of going through peoples bags (which wasnt true) so no one really trusted her. It is partly her fault for not having an ally close enough to try and save her but I dont think she wouldve been targeted as fast
Danni got a terrible edit, plus she was literally the only one on sele who didn't have any relationships with anyone else on the tribe. Once someone threw her under the bus, it was just a dogpile
@@realitytvfanatic2849 Parvati spread that and then Jeremy blames the bag on her. Bad play by old schooler and I would probably put Danni over Ethan for that
I think this is a really well made video! I would agree with your rankings, but i would probably put sandra a little higher, and possibly jeremy too. other than that, this video was a perfect ranking!
My ranking of the players: 20. Sandra 19. Amber 18. Danni 17. Natalie 16. Ethan 15. Rob 14. Parvati 13. Yul 12. Adam 11. Wendell 10. Tyson 9. Sophie 8. Kim 7. Nick 6.Jeremy 5.Denise 4. Sarah 3. Ben 2. Michelle 1. Tony
Michelle wasn't threatening to anyone (hence 0 jury votes). Ben was an accessory for other players (hence him bowing himself out of the game). How could you possibly place them 2 and 3??
@@sashapatsel7170 this is only my opinion. It’s okay if you disagree. Btw, several jurors revealed that they would’ve likely voted Michele, but voted Tony to ensue that Natalie didn’t win.
Bold prediction, if sophie plays her idol Jeremy goes, the next round nick makes his 4 alliance with Michelle, Kim, and Denise, tonynoticing this works with Sophie to flip nick and vote out Kim, final 7 tony still trying to take out tony but cant right then and they have to choose between Denise and Michele and they vote out Michele. At final 6 they blindside nick, and Natalie comes back in the game. Natalie then wins immunity and plays her idol for Denise but tony and Ben play idols nullifying the votes for Denise and Ben, doing a revote between sophie and Sarah, sophie goes home then. At final 5 Ben lets Sarah side with Michele and Natalie and Ben gets voted out. Nat then wins immunity and she sends Sarah and tony to fire, tony wins and it is final 3 of Denise, Natalie, ands tony. Tony wins 12-4-0
I would say most of that power in sele came from pre game alliances and an especially strong pre game relationship with Michele. If anything I think he played poorly in sele because he made himself a big enough threat that he was the person Parvati voted for and yul later voted for. If they had teamed up or got nick to flip he could have been the one going home.
Agreed, he lost because Yul targeted him for no good reason. Forced him to vote out Yul and burn the Sophie bridge. Otherwise the Yul-Sophie relationship could have pulled him in the majority.
He played decently but I think with Wendell and a lot of winners they got in their heads. Wendell got flack with people saying Dominic was the only strategic one you was the social one so I suspect that made him more aggressive and I think it was to soon for him to be playing again he spoke in preseason on how excited he was to make big moves and blindside big dogs so I suspect playing so soon made especially on winners at all made him play a more aggressive game which I don’t think was in his best interest.
Won’t say Yul targeted him for no good reason his whole Parv I’ll vote for you if you give me tokens thing was not something he told his allies and acted like why you mad I did that. Plus hisWendell has a tendency to talk a lot at tribal which is something you don’t want plus I think Yul was going home regardless Wendell said he wasn’t getting rid of Michele post season because he knew outside game and it just bad luck that merge didn’t happen to 11 when they usually happen way earlier at like 13. If anything I think Wendell should’ve gone to Yul and Nick and promised to God he was with them and apologize and tell them they should get rid of Michelle because if they don’t premerge no one really gonna vote her out.
@@Luckruls but he was able to keep nick and michele on his side I feel like u have to praise him for what DID happen especially when there’s only 4 ppl as options
Rob may have convinced Jeremy to vote for Adam had Sele gone to the fifth tribal council, but he didnt convinced Miche. Adam and Michele had a pregame alliance where they both were going to working together on opposite alliances yet protecting each other (Michele admitted to this in her most recent Reddit AMA as well as recent on RHAP youtube channel). Michele stated on RHAP that she would not have voted for adam at that point in time.
It hard to take her opinion on things because she well not exactly known for knowing her going home in the game I think Adam goes Jeremy didn’t want around Jeremy didn’t want people like Adam around in first place because he knew he was erratic and horrible ally and said preseason these lower winners are gonna go farther because no one takes them seriously so I’m inclined to believe Adam would’ve gone home I’m not inclined to take what Adam or Michele say because they shown they are not the best judge of game dynamics and well they kinda got humiliated on national tv and this makes them seem more seem more strategic.
S M Kim was told that if she pre-gamed, she would be removed from the cast. What about Yul? I love Yul but man he pre-gamed with 25% of the cast before...
@@anrajsoni2596 what seriously?? That is really unfair, considering Sarah, Michele, Yull all pre gamed.I guess she wasnt popular enough so they didnt close one eye.
I agree. He got screwed because Yul made the very poor decision to target him for his “showboating.” If Yul hadn’t targeted him, there’s a good chance Michelle goes at the swap, and then the Yul-Sophie connection could have pulled him into the majority alliance.
I agree with this. The issue was all the men on that new Sele tribe had a pre game alliance or relationship with Michelle. If they just cut ties with her instead of Yul. All 3 of Wendell, Nick & Yul could have gone very far In the game with their potential numbers at the Merge (with Sophie, etc).
Parvati should've been way lower. She did nothing on the season. At least Rob and Sandra made plays. Also, Tyson continues to be highly overrated (he's played poorly in 3 out of 4 seasons now).
Imagine thinking that making bad plays is better than no play at all. Didn't help that she had 0 chance of making it out of that swap. Still a top 3 player of all time
@@bradleygrace7783 it shows agency Rob and Sandra tried to make something happen and it backfired while players like Amber, Ethan, and Parvati could've been replaced with a sack of potatoes and it would've done the same as them in the game.
@@philbox3productions showing agency is not necessarily a good move, for Sandra, Rob and Parvati (or anyone with a huge target) it is absolutely the worst thing you can do because you NEED to lower your threat level as much as you can. The game is to win not to be a flashy merge boot. All you need to do is do just enough to make sure you can survive long enough to eventually build to something later on. Also dont compare Amber, Ethan and Parvati they are not on the same playing field. Serious question though, what agency did Tony before the final 9?
@@philbox3productions just to add, I'm not saying that having no agency is a good move I'm saying that choosing to take a back seat is the best move and probably works. Her weakest move was probably sticking so close to Rob after the Danni move but it did save her so idk. She got swap screwed that's it.
I feel bad for Ethan. I really think all in all he had put himself in a great social position and if he’d made it to the swap I think he would’ve made a deep run. He got caught in the crossfire of the Sele tribe. Really almost all the “old schoolers” had some impressive gameplay, there was just no way they could get a foothold given the new schoolers fear of letting the legends of the game get any momentum. We need an even old/new school split all star season in the future to give both sides a fair shot
At 7:50 Boston Rob was targeting Adam with Parvati and ethan and try to convinced Ben and the others member to vote for Adam. Mitchelle and Jeremy convinced Denise and Ben to vote for ethan instead thus saving him. In the nxt tribal, Boston rob admitted that he was trying blindside Adam but got blindsided by Mitchelle, Jeremy, Ben and Denise alliance.
I haven't watched yet, but I think it would be hard to rank players with big reputations who come into the season - Like Rob , who really never had a chance to win through the main game anyways. Ben was targeting him pregame, Sophie and Sarah were shown to have no interest in working with Rob at all.
@@bradleyberdan5154 That kinda stuff does kinda matter, considering how it is a returnee season. You can't really blame Rob for getting targeted pregame because of RI
Here's mine: 20. Amber 19. Danni 18. Sandra 17. Ethan 16. Denise 15. Boston Rob 14. Ben 13. Adam 12. Tyson 11. Parv 10. Wendell 9. Yul 8. Natalie 7. Nick 6. Jeremy 5. Michele 4. Kim 3. Sarah 2. Sophie 1. Tony Only my opinion though.
@@vaporterra I felt that Yul made that one mistake that screwed him but before that, no one really recognized his threat while since the swap the two seles targeted Wendell immediately. And Sarah played with too much emotion, I respect her duo with Tony but she was literally willing to bring Tony to the end even when people are saying she can't beat him. Sophie on the other hand prioritizes positioning herself better, and imo was playing an excellent game at the time and was the biggest thread which is the reason that Tony decided to blindsided her. Only my opinion though :))
Finally someone appreciates Ben. He’s one of my favorite players, so seeing him go far in the season was awesome. Unless I’m mistaken he didn’t know Tony, Sarah, and Denise, but he realized that they, mainly Tony and Sarah, were leading the game and joined them.
Nick and Wendell probably played the most overatted games. They made the hhhuuuge mistake of taking out Yul instead of Michelle. All of them were in a pre-game alliance but taking out Yul turned the entire Dakal tribe against them according to Kim in RHAP post game podcast. Also Nick was way to loyal to Tony for some reason. And I agree that Ben is way underated. Just because he won his first game in a stupid way doesnt take away the fact that he was the driving force in a lot of the votes.
According to Michele in post interviews Jeremy was too. After Tony blindsided Sophie Nick and Jeremy were in awe of Tony and decided to be loyal to him and him alone to there detriment.
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Sandra did that move to get rid of Jeremy bc him and Tony were getting very close and Tony was her closest ally in that moment and she didn’t want Jeremy to rip him away from her, it would have been a good move if it worked she just consulted in the wrong person and did this at the wrong time.
I feel Yul should have been a bit higher, Tyson and definitely Parv should be lower. But I do know you are a bit of a Parv fanboy (who isn't.. :D) so I know there is a bias.
My Personal Post-Season Power Rankings: 1. Tony 2. Sarah 3. Sophie 4. Michele 5. Jeremy 6. Kim 7. Nick 8. Yul 9. Tyson 10. Parvati 11. Denise 12. Adam 13. Rob 14. Wendell 15. Ethan 16. Natalie 17. Ben 18. Sandra 19. Danni 20. Amber
My rankings: 1. Tony 2. Yul 3. Michelle 4. Sarah 5. Kim 6. Wendell 7. Nick 8. Sophie 9. Parvati 10. Jeremy 11. Dinese 12. Rob 13. Ben 14. Danni 15. Natalie 16. Tyson 17. Sandra 18. Ethan 19. Adam 20. Amber
daddyzavid 2020 Not really... he lucked out with Tyson shooting himself in the foot at Tyson’s first boot, and revealed himself to be wayyyyy too scheme-y at his boot. He honestly probably would’ve been fine if he didn’t try to be so controlling. Yul’s very overrated as a player imo.
Personal 20. Amber 19. Sandra 18. Ethan 17. Natalie 16. Danni 15. Rob 14. Adam 13. Yul 12. Tyson 11. Wendell 10. Parvati 9. Denise 8. Michelle 7. Jeremy 6. Kim 5. Ben 4. Sophie 3. Nick 2. Sarah 1. Tony
My opinion: Denise *should not* be higher than Michele. She played pretty mediocre in WaW and all she done was idol out Sandra, she was out of the loop every vote. (From Adam to Jeremy) Also Ben shouldn’t be that high, though I don’t hate him, his grudges with Jeremy and Adam really got on my nerves, and his game was again really mediocre. He screwed plans by telling them to the big players (Danni targeting Rob, Kim targeting Tony) and ultimately, I think he would get 0 votes in finale. Also, a lot of people saying Nick played bad is a little understandable but not really. Nick had a phenomenal social game, for example, he was at bottom at F11, yet he somehow didn’t get any heat and he started moving up the totem slowly and UTR like and he participated in logical plans. (The Sophie blindside) His biggest mistake was voting off Jeremy over Ben because here’s what happens when Jeremy is F6. Nick could take Jeremy out now, considering Natalie will comeback so it wouldn’t matter. He does a 3-3 vote with Natalie and Michele, meaning Sarah, Denise, and Nick are in tie. Nick and Denise go to fire, Nick wins fire. Michele Natalie and Nick have majority, they take Sarah F5, Nick and Tony go to fire, Nick wins, and Nick can win the entire game.
Adam says Rob's "impressive move" you reference where he goes to Jeremy and Michele was the edit lying. Adam told Rob C he went to the rest of the tribe the minute Rob said "I can say it anyway" and announced Rob intends to falsely claim I'm trying to talk to him just so u know. Jeremy wanted Adam gone anyway from Day 1 it wasn't him believing Rob it was him wanting Adam gone cuz he's not a meat shield
How can you say that Ben is a good player when you realize that everybody was annoyed by him and that everybody knows that he has no chance of winning?
I think people need to understand a difference between being kept in majority because it's of your of volition and social standing to CONSCIOUSLY be there or being kept in majority because you're a goat that doesn't need to be voted out. Ben did not play a bad game, but he was incredibly flawed imo. My take: 20. Amber 19. Danni 18. Ethan 17. Sandra 16. Adam 15. Wendell 14. Tyson 13. Rob 12. Yul 11. Parvati 10. Ben 9. Natalie 8. Denise 7. Nick 6. Kim 5. Michele 4. Jeremy 3. Sophie 2. Sarah 1. Tony
Sophie said she likely would have voted for Tony at the finals even if Sarah was there. I think if Sarah and Tony were in the finals together, there would be a split but I don’t think it would a whole lot of votes. Also I don’t see why anyone that voted for Tony would switch to Natalie, given they could have done that this season.
Michele social game is so good she was in the bottom the entire merge damn that's a good social game nah her social game doesnt go past people liking her it never translates into actually helping her in the game and strategically shes not great her and natalie played the end game so bad
@@charlieradant I think I'd keep Ben and Kim higher, but I'd bump Michele above Denise and maybe Jeremy, who just threw away their own games multiple rounds in a row for Tony. At least Nick working with him kind of made sense.
@Billy Joseph So did the jury. Several jurors were considering voting Michele in order to give her 2nd place, but they were afraid Tony might not get the votes to win -- so they piled their votes on Tony instead.
TeamPaul17 So true. Michelle was an underdog just like Dani, Amber and Sophie. Plus she was considered an underrated/controversial winner like Denise, Adam, Nick, Ben, Ethan. I thought she would get second place too.
I'd recommend that you listen to everyone's deep dives and then redo this list. You have so many people in the wrong spots. Ben had a poor social game and if you listened to deep dives you'd understand that. Also, if you listened to Adam's you'd know that Rob did not get the target off him onto Adam because they didn't buy what he was selling. They WERE mad at Adam but not because of what Rob did - they were still mad at him from what happened the previous round. Also, the buddy system was SO bad. Rob doing that alone should've knocked him down a spot. Additionally, if you listened to deep dives you'd give more credit to Yul's and Adam's games.
Uh no, if anything the deep dives and all the post game press showed that Ben actually played well and the whole narrative that he was a terrible player and that he was hated really only stemmed from Rob, Adam and Jeremy. In Sophie's Deep Dive she said that she would've voted for him in a Natalie/Michelle/Ben F3, and I would hazard a guess that he gets Tony Sarah and Denise too. I am guessing you heard about the incident between Ben and Jeremy on day 1 where Jeremy essentially alienated Ben for the rest of the game. You cannot say that a winner is a terrible player, even if you think their win was rigged.
@@shinyhydreigon7257 You can't convince me that Ben played a good game when he didn't have a good social game. He wasn't the nicest to people who weren't his besties. Even Sophie said he yelled at her on Yara and he treated Michele like public enemy #1 at the merge. Jeremy acting the way he did with Ben...well he had just been blindsided and was PO'd. How is that any different than Ben tanking Adam's game? Unlike Ben, Jeremy didn't hold a grudge against him for those issues they had and even wanted to work with him post-merge. Also, the fact that Ben would've gotten votes in a final 3 of him, Michele and Natalie is why it was a terrible move for him to quit. He said his mental health couldn't take being eviscerated by the jury. Well, then he would've known what Chrissy on his original season felt like. Ben's best move, especially if he wanted Sarah to win, would've been to stick it out and try to beat Tony at fire.
Implying that there are "wrong spots" is completely untrue, we all have our opinions and our morals and our outlooks on this season of survivor which is why people debate whether Natalie or Michelle deserved 2nd place, If Adam's move to try and play the podium is a great or hilariously bad attempt, If Ben was even a good player (Like what you're saying here) and more. There are some people who played better than others, however if you're saying that there's "wrong spots" even though he's not ranking the players based off what place they ended up in this season, then you're wrong because this is the order of people who he thinks played the worst games to the best games, deep dives can offer people a new perspective on things and give them some insight, however, saying that they'd definitely change opinions about stuff you disagree with them personally, is just untrue (Although there are some parts of the season that were edited to be worse or better than they really were, that's the parts they decided to show on camera for TV and so that's the version he's gotta work off of).
@@sinspeed7345 Yes but I am saying that if he listened to people's deep dives with RHAP he would have a different opinion of how Yul, Adam and Ben played the game. And a lot of the comments here show that many people feel the same that I do. There were a lot of things he said that if he listened to deep dives his opinions would change because the contestants spoke out about those very things. (i. e. He said Rob had a good move because he convinced Michele and Jeremy that Adam was continuing to work with him and Parv. That was proven incorrect in deep dives so it shows it wasn't a good move. Also, if you listen to Adam's deep dive you really appreciate him playing the podium idol and see that it was actually brilliant. He put SO much thought into that. That alone, along with how he worked his butt off and if not for Kim blabbing the plan to vote off Sarah to Sarah [and she said in her deep dive that this is her number 1 regret because she actually wanted to work with Adam], Sarah goes home and the entire game changes and Adam looks like a genius which shows he at least deserves top 10.)
@@ESCSteph When you put it like that, that could actually be the case, however sadly the show edited Adam's game to look worse than it already was (But I ain't complaining too much since watching Adam was entertaining as hell for me even if his game was actually better than it looked in the edits) and I did indeed watch Adam's explanation on his podium idol playing attempt which even Jeff respected, but only part of that was explained during the show and deep dives are definitely useful to understand things that were edited out of the episodes, but blame that more on the producers than the guy, they edited out the stuff he didn't see those because production thought it was good to cut out all that, but you are right, his opinion will most likely change if he watches the deep dives, but as of the video he hasn't watched them sadly, however not everyone will. As for the Boston Rob buddy system move, I feel like that was because Rob knew his time was up so he might as well bring back the good old buddy system, I mean he was with Ben and Adam, I don't think they would've stayed loyal with Rob (which is kinda more of Rob's fault, but the swap is always random Rob got unlucky with the swap) and so he just did the buddy system because, Why not? However, I'm gonna need links to the deep dives for me to check them out myself.
how was Boston Rob's game impressive? he once again showed that he isn't comfortable not being in complete control, and the only thing Rob could've done to save himself (break apart from Parvati) didn't happen because Rob decided he'd rather get a sick pre-merge sequence where he totally owns Adam by dismantling Sele's trust. Rob seriously played one of the worst games here, he should've been advertising himself as meat shield number 1.
Agreed! Tony and Rob probably had the 2 biggest targets coming into the game. Tony completely changed his game and won. Rob didn't do a thing differently from any other time he played the game.
Stephanie L Yup! I’d argue Sandra and Parvati had targets bigger and/or equal to theirs as well. It’s just so weird because I feel like Boston Rob played so poorly. Apparently the scene where Rob lies to Michele and Jeremy about Adam flipping was all theatrics too, Adam said that Michele knew what was up and then told Jeremy, the edit just wanted to make Rob look good.
Also Jeff Probst said outside of game relationships mean nothing in survivor also her and Wendell were not even on good terms so I guess you just can’t see how Michele was robbed and she was going to get some votes but they were afraid that Tony would not win
Natalie had an unfair advantage for getting voted out first because she had more time to find fire-tokens and buy advantages, and more time to bond with the people in the early game
#20- Amber Mariano. Winner of Survivor: All-Stars 20th Place #19- Sandra Diaz-Twine. Winner of Survivor: Pearl Islands and Survivor: Heroes vs Villains 16th Place #18- Danni Boatwright. Winner of Survivor: Guatemala 19th Place #17- Ethan Zohn. Winner of Survivor: Africa 18th Place #16- Adam Klein. Winner of Survivor: Millennials vs Gen X 12th Place #15- Boston Rob Mariano. Winner of Survivor: Redemption Island 17th Place #14- Yul Kwon. Winner of Survivor: Cook Islands 14th Place #13- Wendell Holland. Winner of Survivor: Ghost Island 13th Place #12- Tyson Apostol. Winner of Survivor: Blood vs Water 11th Place #11- Natalie Anderson. Winner of Survivor: San Juan del Sur 2nd Place #10- Parvati Shallow. Winner of Survivor: Micronesia Fans vs Favorites 15th Place #9- Michele Fitzgerald. Winner of Survivor Koah Rong 3rd Place #8- Denise Stapley. Winner of Survivor: Philippines 6th Place #7- Jeremy Collins. Winner of Survivor: Cambodia Second Chance 8th Place #6- Ben Driebergen. Winner of Survivor: Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers 5th Place #5- Nick Wilson. Winner of Survivor: David vs Goliath 7th Place #4- Kim Spradlin. Winner of Survivor: One World 9th Place #3- Sophie Clarke. Winner of Survivor: South Pacific 10th Place #2- Sarah Lacina. Winner of Survivor: Game Changers 4th Place #1- Tony Vlachos. Winner of Survivor: Cagayan 1st Place
Against all the diff pre-game alliances, most of the old schoolers had no chance. Yul targetting the poker alliance, which isnt even real when he has a pre-game alliance is ironic.
My list: 20: Amber 19: Danni 18: Adam 17: Sandra 16: Wendell 15: Ethan 14: Parvati 13: Rob 12: Natalie 11: Tyson 10: Yul 9: Ben 8: Nick 7: Denise 6: Sophie 5: Jeremy 4: Sarah 3: Kim 2: Michele 1: Tony
1. Tony (played a near perfect game, led many blindsides, won the most challenges and received no votes all season) 2. Denise (played a very strong game, saved herself from almost certain elimination and blindsided Sandra, made many allies and navigated through different alliances with relative ease, won a good number of challenges, played her own game and was not following any one or two people, could've won if she made it to the end, Natalie's idol sealed her fate though, but evenso no one wanted her to be the one to go that night) 3. Michele (most underrated player of the season, very very strong social game, managed to keep the target off of herself despite not being the majority alliance, also played a very covert game which some people like to talk crap about but it had been proven to be an effective strategy, that's what led Sndra to be the first two-time winner, Boston Rob could learn a lot from her) 4. Natalie (played the best edge game by far!, even made many fans like it, however she was the first boot, and never survived one vote without protection, she also amde a few mistakes when she got back in the game not playing the idol for Michele and not sending Sarah and Denise to fire) 5. Sarah (was very dependent on Tony (and also Sophie) , although she tried to make it seem like she wasn't, telling him about her steal-a-vote opportunity did nothing for her, how did he help by spitting on her face?, she really didn't make any moves without Tony or Sophie and was not really responsible for leading any moves) 6. (tie) Sophie (made a lot of strong alliances and made strong moves in a strong alliance but also voted out with an idol in her pocket) 6. (tie) Jeremy (made many allies in the game and people were very scared of him making it to the end, he did escape 3 tribals where he was supposed to be the main target but was ultimately played by Tony and supremely screwed by Nick) 8. Wendell (also played a strong game at the beginning and saved himself after ruining the last pre-merge tribe, but clearly did not have much support at the merge which led to he to voted out with a pretty strong margin) 9. Adam ( you can't say he's not a tryer, unlike many old schoolers who seemed to lose their fire, he went out and played very hard, going to Rob was huge mistake which made him lose a lot of trust but he didn't really do much else wrong, and very attentive, the attempt to get "the idol" was really a smart move even if it didn't end up being one 10. Yul (played a good game in the first few rounds making many strong allies but couldn't save himself even after Wendell screwed the tribe in the challenge and was essentially the "easy vote" 11. Parvati (did well in the beginning, but like Tyson , this was not her best work, the Parv from Heroes vs Villains and Micronesia would've found a way through the tribe swap and she essentially accepted her fate) 12. Tyson (played decently, but seemingly not as well as he did in Blood vs Water, was unable to save himself twice) 13. Kim (made many bad moves this season, was almost the 2nd out if Amber wasn't married to Rob on the other tribe, misplayed her idol, gave up immunity and was voted out; would've done better if plan to blindside Tony worked but still) 14. Ben (made it far with a strong alliance (that he was not in control of) but basically gave up and did not have the respect of the jury) 15. Nick (he made it far but mostly rode others' coat tails (esp Tony), and screwed his entire game by voting out Jeremy and thought that was a great move) 16. Ethan (wasn't really his fault he was voted out but didn't play super hard and was dependent on Parv and Rob) 17. Rob (no adaptability, plays the same game every time and would've never work especially this season) 18. Danni (completely screwed herself by freaking out and going to Rob) 19. Sandra (did well in the first few rounds, but giving Denise her idol was was of the dumbest moves ever) 20. Amber (basically didn't even try, was just there for Rob)
Ben did not quit, he knew he wasn’t gonna win, and Sarah almost certainly told Natalie and Michele he was done. Ben took advantage with what he had. Ben did not quit and neither did Sandra. Go back to Russell hantz’ youtube channel.
Looking back it’s hilarious that Ben letting Sarah got him out to help her is actually probably why she lost. Like he probably wins fire against Tony where Sarah probably wins. It’s also sad that the final tribal would have been much more interesting in that scenario. Replace Michelle with Sarah In any final tribal and its much closer.
Nick played an AWFUL season and TANKED his own game when him and Michele FINALLY had a chance to make a move with Jeremy....in no way was nick thinking Tony has his back over Sarah and Ben even a understandable mistake...Michele said it to him and apparently she told him what an idiot he was ten times worse than what was shown. Michele was a victim to NO ONE being willing to make a move against Tony. It was so evident to the jury and the audience that Tony was running the show but until the end I believe that some of those people genuinely believed they could beat Tony...which was ridiculous. There was a core alliance that was just so strong and the people like Kim and Michele and Nick and Jeremy should have been working together. After Kim was taken out, Michele was the ONLY person atleast trying to make something happen. Sometimes I agree with you and others your logic confuses me so fucking much
Super late reply but if Nick takes out Ben at F7. Guess who is still in the game? Tony, Sarah, and Jeremy. 3 people he has no chance of beating at the end plus the edge returnee he has to worry about. The odds of all of them leaving the game and being in the finals with Ben, Denise, and Michele are very low. He took out Jeremy because it removes one of the players he can’t beat while also thinking he would be safe because he thought Tony was with him because they had a close relationship from Day 1. He says in a confessional that Tony is his main man in the game. I guarantee you if Nick won the F4 challenge and Tony was still there he would have taken him out in fire knowing there was no chance of beating him. Nick played well this season the editors did not show his relationship with Tony at all to show why he voted out Jeremy.
20: Danni 19: Amber 18: Ethan 17: Adam 16: Rob 15: Tyson 14: Sandra 13: Parvati 12: Wendell 11: Ben 10: Natalie 9: Yul 8: Denise 7: Jeremy 6: Michele 5: Nick 4: Kim 3: Sophie 2: Sarah 1: Tony!
Solid list. Him having Yul that low is a crime. Idk why he put him below Tyson, Parvati and Wendell. They all played terribly. Yul just got screwed by the swap. You could say Parvati got screwed too but she got voted out because she made stupid decisions on original sele.
When you go into a game with 19 pregame alliances like Michelle did it’s pretty easy to get to the end of the game lmao. For real tho I think she had like 12.
She had a pregame alliance with Wendell, nick, and Yul, right? And she also knew Jeremy. Wendell and Yul didn't help her at all in the end, and Nick and Jeremy with their mistakes kinda blew up her game. Now if you wanna talk pre game alliance kings, you gotta talk yul, who tried to make one with like every member of the cast
Brian Regan Partially true. She had a pregame alliance with Nick, Yul, Wendell, Parvati, Adam, Jeremy, and those people had many connections whom she could work with. Basically the alliance she was not in with Tony, Ben, Sarah, Sophie, and Denise, where some of probably about 7-8 people she had no connection with prior to the game.
I mean we’ve seen a lot of heavy pregame players go out early in past seasons so that kinda hurts your point but I get what you’re trying to say. When enough people want to work with you, you have a good chance to make it far. Where Cochran succeeded in bringing the right people to the end, Michele didn’t.
@@VIVE305 He alliances with Parvati and Adam didn't go anywhere, and I'm fairly sure she said she didn't have an official pregame alliance withJeremy, they just knew each other so they wanted to work together
@@nizzle428 I dont know I kinda prefer his HHH game. Sure he needed idols and a firemaking challenge but he was seen as the mastermind by the jury. He made several good plays to add agency to his game. He just kinda fumbled about, made it far and followed Tony this game.
suppacoo that’s a good point. it’s similar to troyzan in game changers that he’s so fixated on not playing aggressively and being a huge threat to get to the end that they forgot to play a game good enough to win
Denise is a liiiiiittle bit too high on your list in my opinion. She didn’t do too much this season, other than voting Sandra out. Other than that, she was just always.... there.
This would be a very cool series. I'd love to see one for Heroes vs. Villains.
Yeah but the only problem is I don't need to see Randy and number 20. He would deserve number 1
The only problem is that people still think that Parvati has full control of the Sandra jerri double idol play even though it was Russell’s plan the whole time and production hid it 😂😂🤣🤣
@@kobe3941 how..? Russell was blindsided by the move
I would say
20. Sugar
19. Randy
18. James
17. Stephanie
16. Tyson
15. Cirie
14. Rob
13. Courtney
12. Tom
11. Coach
10. Candice
9. JT
8. Rupert
7. Amanda
6. Sandra
5. Colby
4. Danielle
3. Jerri
2. Russell
1. Parvati
@@kobe3941 Tell me again how Russell had full control of that plan when he didn't know a second idol existed...I'll wait
Timestamps
1:09 number 20 Amber
2:07 number 19 Sandra
3:26 number 18 Danni
5:00 number 17 Ethan
6:44 number 16 Adam
9:20 number 15 Boston Rob
11:31 number 14 Yul
13:43 number 13 Wendell
15:24 number 12 Tyson
17:25 number 11 Natalie
20:41 number 10 Parvati
23:04 number 9 Michelle
25:57 number 8 Denise
28:45 number 7 Jeremy
30:44 number 6 Ben
33:44 number 5 Nick
36:22 number 4 Kim
39:05 number 3 Sophie
41:28 number 2 Sarah
44:34 number 1 Tony
I don’t think Ben should be getting so much hate this season (Mostly because I find him very entertaining)
I like how you put a frowny face next to yul. I came in to the season hoping he would win
Bryan Hijam same
I agree with you. Ben should be higher
ggsnubs 😐
Tony had to completely reinvent his game this season and you saw him play the game in sections. He realized he had to lay low and build social connections in the beginning and when he formed a strong alliance then he could play more of his game we know and love. I’d say this was a top 3 performances of all time and his 2 wins combined make him the goat.
not only is it 2 wins, its 2 wins in 3 seasons, 66% win rate. plus cops r us has 100% win rate
I feel like Parvati could've offered Nick the idol nulifier if he voted Wendell which actually may have worked
This is something I feel like nobody talks about. Parv had an idol nullifier. Use it to trade like you said. Or she couldve even passed it off as an idol and scared someone into voting with her. I know she was in a really bad spot fighting against a pre-game alliance but I feel like there were some possibilities I would've liked to see play out.
Still don’t think Nick would’ve bite he seemed to lack any legit original ideas in his head this season probably went to Yul and say vote out Wendell he and Michele used to date and if I’m gone your next Nick will do what he told and Wendell and Michele gonna to stick together if the chance the merge doesn’t happen soon.
Parv had no chance because Michelle, Yul, Wendell and Nick were in a pre merged alliance. Check out Michelle’s podcast interview. Huge respect for her for not hiding the fact that they made an alliance before the game even started
Yeah, like what theposter above commented. Michele had a pre-game alliance with the other 4, she admitted to it and said Parv was going home the moment she picked the sele buff. She only tried to work with Parv for the fire tokens.
Lightning Monkey Parv said tho that she couldn’t bluff the idol nullifier because Nick already knew what it was (since it originated in his season)
Apparently Tony had a lot more power in the early merge than we saw. Wendell says it was Tony's move to get him out.
Based on everything I’ve heard it was a Sophie and Tony collaboration. The Yul vote out set everything in motion.
7:45 Michele said on a podcast that Adam was never in real trouble of leaving pre-swap. She said if Sele went to tribal again, Jeremy/Parv/B-Rob would have voted Adam, and Denise/Adam/Ben/Michele would have voted B Rob or Parvati.
I'm like 90% sure Parvati would've gone home in that scenario since Adam wanted to work with Rob plus he was a help in challenges
Right. The show neglected to show how Adam handled Rob throwing him under the bus. Rob told Adam he was going to do it and Adam warned everyone beforehand of Rob's plan.
Nope Michele confirmed that Rob would have went to home so I assume it would be 4 votes Rob 3 votes Adam
I thought she said Adam would’ve went?
i swear i saw her reply on a reddit post that adam wouldve went
The fact that Nick is 5 is kinda dumb - he barely did anything this season, was naïve when he voted out Jeremy, caused a target to be on his back by seeming sketchy...
It doesn’t make sense to me that you’re dragging Michele for the things you’re dragging her for, yet praising Nick.
Yeah I agree with you. (I think Nick played a pretty solid pre-merge game but I'll also say that the decision to vote off Yul instead of Wendell was a mistake as he lost Sophie's trust.) But yeah, what did he really do that warranted him a top 5 spot? Michele at least didn't trust Tony while Nick was far more loyal to him which caused him to make some decisions that weren't good for his game (i.e. voting Jeremy out). Also, Nick proved he was no better than Adam went getting caught trying to vote someone out (when he stumbled all over the place to Tony which was just as bad as when Adam couldn't explain his situation to Ben clearly a couple of rounds earlier.) As much as I like Nick, I just don't see where he played a top 5 worthy game. Plus, no one's deep dives have revealed anything new about his game, either.
Tony said Nick was actually a much more significant player and orchestrated the Sophie/ Wendell vote outs and he also said editing didn’t do him justice so idk
@@abbie7343 How did he orchestrate the Wendell vote? He was one of the three people who were left out of that vote
@@jonaskinsey8746 lmao, that made me laugh
Jonas Kinsey idk tbh but tony said that nick wanted him out and gave tony info and decided he had to go bc he knew Wendell was a threat based on the Yul vote out
Ben was flawed in that:
He was outplayed by Boston Rob hours into the game divulging information that couldve been useful to him.
Days in he is known as someone who doesn't have much rationale as in one of the early Sele tribals he opposes Rob and Parvati only to agree with them, and not even realising at first.
He loses Danni and Ethan both of which I think were worse than Parvati which he actively wanted out.
He acts highly emotional at points with Jeremy and Adam causing him to lose agency in the game and have two people actively against him on the jury.
Tries to hide the idol from Tony only to get caught out which is another negative Tony could bring up if he was at ftc and Tony was not. The only reason Tony didnt get mad at him and still worked with him was because he was a goat to him.
He gives up at 5 due to a perception the jury didnt like him.
Agree with you. Ben is a bottom 5 player this season. He was able to form good relationships with Sarah, Sophie and Denise which is what got him to the final 5. That's about all he did that was good. Michele played a far better social game (she wasn't a jerk to people she wasn't tight with) - she was just unlucky that her closest allies were targeted far more than Ben's.
@@ESCSteph I think it's also important to note Michelle actually knew Edge would be on this season so her playing the jury management role really was not bad gameplay whatsoever. Again, I think she played pretty alright, it was just a shame all the people she voted with were seen as threats to either the dominant group of people in the game or to the majority of the tribe.
That why being on right side like Nick and Ben or surviving a vote like Michele is not a good way to look at rankings if they played overall disappointing games whereas Yul I think dominance in premerge and I think was justified in trying to vote out Wendell someone who was a loose cannon if placed somewhere like 14th.
Ben was in the majority and on the correct side of the vote the ENTIRE game (Sophie vote being the only exception). He worked with the majority old-schoolers for the first vote, then flipped on them for the following votes, then established a new majority with the girls at the swap, then established a new majority with Tony that controlled the entire merge. He formed very tight bonds with Tony, Sara, Sophie, and Denise that lasted though the game. He found an idol and played it correctly. He could’ve sat at the end had he chosen to do so. The hate for Ben makes no sense, and it’s coming from the same contrarians who praise Michelle’s clueless game and worship the ground Kim walks on despite watching all of her plans fail this season. Kim at 4, seriously?? @me
@@ggsnubs Ben was largely just a follower and loses in any situation final 10 and onward imo
Actually, in Sophie's RHAP interview, she says that Tony had a big hand in the Wendell boot.
Actually Wendell said that in his interview with Survivor Specialists
@@doriangore373 Wendell Sophie and Kim all said that
I think Sandra’s in the right place but I would’ve put Danni below her.
Same. Sandra had a successful pre swap and then the big move blew up in her face so I can’t say she can be above Ethan who really did less wrong prior to his elimination but still
what we didn’t see on camera is she was the next target regardless of how much she screwed her game. parv was never the target and she just did it as a last way to save her game
Sera Bunca Parv was never the target on Sele?
@@serabunca3633 Parv was a target she was Targeted by Danni, Adam, Michele and Jeremy
I love Danni so much but same. I would be Sandra even higher tbh, I feel like her hates on her too much
Michele should be higher than Ben and Denise imo.
I agree
Nah she was on the outs for almost every vote in the game except the Dani, Ethan,yul,Sophie votes. She was.mostly clueless like at the Jeremy vote and the Kim votes. And she needed the f6 and f5 immunities so I think she should be above Denise but def not Ben who was always in the majority
Absolutely not
@@itsmeraccoon5307 "In my opinion"
@@charlieradant also the Tyson vote
Wendell said post game tony was a huge factor in his vote off
It’s obvious queen Sophie did the work. If it really was tony, they would’ve showed it as he won..
Jack Dean
Maybe u don’t understand how the edit portrays certain narratives but ok
Jack Dean Women do get shafted in edits - but too many players, including Wendell, said he did have a big hand in the elimination. This was basically the one vote Tony & Sophie worked on. Sophie was unhappy with the Yul vote out, and this lead to Tony grilling Nick and Wendell. Wendell gave Tony worse answers so they decided to go after Wendell.
@@jackdean2537 even sophie and Kim said that it was Tony who made the wendell blindside and not sophie. The edit just gave sophie the props.
@@xakdish4169 source? Because clearly there’s a scene where Sophie is convincing tony to vote for Wendell
40:20
Sophie: She had a great relationship with Sophie.
Me: Visible Confusion
He said Sarah
@@cat-mh2wp she said sophie after sarah
@@immanuelak2643 oh yeah nvm
I mean, Sophie having a great relationship with Sophie is (hopefully) correct XD
Yes i agree, aft her second win. It seems that Sandra was more concerned about being the Queen. She wanted flashy moves to cement her status and played emotionally. She completely did a 180 on her winning strategies and was more focused on revenge. Which was sad cause she is great TV and would have made it far or even to the finals cause no chance she becomes a 3 time winner.
tbf I dont think she gets any votes at all with all winners with her old strat
Sandra changed the strategy for Game Changers. I think she outgrew her “as long as it’s not me” strategy.
very late. but thats the thing. no one here was hated. her old strategy is not going to get her a third win. she had to play hard just like she did in Game Changers because of the fact she went into this game as arguably the biggest target of the season. so she really had no choice but to do a 180 on her gameplay. because yes the "anybody but me/take the most hated player to the end" strat works in a normal season and even a normal All-Star season. theres no way itll work in a game like WaW
Also, saying that Parv was saved so many times “by Rob” is ridiculous. A lot of that is her own gameplay and relationships doing the work.
Disagree if she didn't have Rob there backing her up she would've been voted out sooner. She was coming in DOA and by aligning with Rob she was able to up her chances to "on life support"
Naaa
Kork that is social game bc nobody was holding a gun to Rob’s head saying that he needs to work with her, it’s called social game lmao. They were using each other as shields bc they knew they needed too.
Yeah I hate when men discredit women for no reason and give credit to a man not deserving of that credit 🤮
Hoe I mean, without Rob, she goes much earlier.
Great video as always man. A huge fan of your content. I mostly agree with your list, (except I might put Parvati down a bit, just below Wendell. This is not to diss her but I don't think Parvati did much in the game imo. She had a huge target on her and if it wasn't for Rob, she could have been one of the first few boots possiblity. I do agree she was swapped screwed massively tho). Can't wait to see the next video. Keep it up!
i feel her place is right, she played the best with the cards she had.
@@johanhoyos2318 She was kinda a mess socially and actively antagonized people
So glad to finally hear someone telling it how it is in regard to Michele's performance this season
He was overly harsh in some points where Michele was more scrappy than he gives her credit for but if you don’t have much power in the post merge it’s hard to be seen as a candidate to win an FTC. I feel like other sources like RHAP have been fair in their depiction of Michele’s game. Maybe Survivor Specialist has the Phil bias going against her but even then he knows she had no shot to win
@@vaporterra I definitely disagree with a degree of what he bases his analysis on in this video, but the overall sentiment is honestly refreshing to hear at this point. Was really hopeful for players like her and Ben to change the narrative surrounding them as survivor players (a la Sarah in Game Changers) but she definitely left me unimpressed
Appreciate the objective analysis of Michele’s game. I would have her a little higher because i do put stock in immunity wins, but i agree. She didn’t know what was going on most of the time
According to Adam on RHAP (and being that he acknowledges his missteps, I trust him on this), Rob’s lie to get him targeted after the Ethan vote wasn’t actually as successful as the edit made it seem. He told the tribe about Rob’s plan to lie before it happened, and explained that it made no sense for him to jump into a minority alliance with the people who just voted for him. Plus he and Michele were actually super tight, so she, Ben, and Denise would not have let him go. On Yara though, for sure he would have been screwed if they want to tribal again.
Wild Card Watson most fans don’t discredit Adam for that idol decision because an idol was hidden that way in Survivor South Africa
@Wild Card Watson You like Adam but he was pretty delusional this whole game? That doesn't sound like the words of someone who likes him.
Whether or not you buy what he's selling, he still had some great ideas (and crazy bad mistakes), but at least he was out there trying to win the game by making bold moves.
Also, playing the podium idol was brilliant and he was going home anyway so he had absolutely nothing to lose! You can believe his logic for why he whole-heartedly believed it was a real idol, or not. I choose to believe him (he thought Ben was so close to Sarah because she shared her idol with him and he started thinking it was the podium idol, he saw Palesa in season 6 of SA Survivor play one in the exact same spot, the camera people seated him closest to it every TC, it looked like Denise's idol, there are fleur-de-lises on every single pre-merge buff) because he is someone who is a super-duper fan who sits there in the game and thinks about anything he can do to get himself to the end and win the game.
@Wild Card Watson OK, fair enough. I just feel the opposite of you but I do respect your opinion.
And nick played a top 5 game in this season?😂😂
Honestly, even though he’s not super popular and also didn’t have a great edit, I thought he put himself in good positions. He simply messed up with Tony in the end, but tony is tough competition.
Yes, he did. He was part of that singles group for the pre swap. At the swap he was in a perfect position. At the merge he was on the outs but intrigates himself into the majority and stays with tony and tony trusts him at the Sophie boot which was great. Then he is the swing vote at the Jeremy vote and then just gets voted out cuz Michelle wins immunity
He did play a top 5 game in WaW. If he won, we would have seen more of what he done, but he didn't win so he didn't get a good edit at all.
i think nick played a good game. his only flaw was voting out Jeremy at final 7 instead of ben or tony.
@@xakdish4169 fair point, but I don't think Nick and Jeremy would have worked together at all. Remember Jeremy wanted Nick gone at the merge so that Jeremy can be Wendell's number 1 himself. Also Jeremy still would have been willing to work with Tony over Nick as well. So yeah.
Yul should have been much higher, he had much more control over his original tribe than Tyson, Parvati, and Natalie ever had
Agreed 100%. And actually, had Michele not made what she calls her number 1 mistake by voting him out, he could've potentially won the game.
definitely do this for all seasons and bb seasons as well very good video
I support your idea to do this for all the seasons!
It's much easier for a GOAT to be on the right side of every vote than a more independent skilled player who prefers smaller but committed alliances, and has to scramble because every vote is a challenge. If you rank every player from all the seasons according to who had the better percentage of being on the right side of every vote, you have many low ranking players at the top of your list.
It made me so mad when Natalie returning almost cost Tony the game. I'm honestly even more impressed with Tony that he was able to overcome someone who was immune at literally every tribal saying he was gonna win. I hate so much how edge returnees help poor players like Michelle and hurt good players like Tony. Tony works so hard to minimize his in-game threat level but yet make the jury adore him, but here comes the first boot with all the info and an idol and relationships on the jury who gets to say whatever she wants. It made me made on s38 when Chris returning costed Victoria and Lauren the game, as I thought they were the two best players left.
I hated the Edge in season 38, but loved it here. It was a meeting of the titans, Tony won the game and Nat won the Edge. When they squared off in the Finale, I was happy with who won. Tony earned it, and I loved Nat. Great entertainment!
Your comment proves that Edge of Extinction doesn’t help “poor” players and hurt “good players”. Natalie did not win, meaning there are flaws that can impact EoE returnees. And Survivor is just as much physical as it is strategic. Natalie dominated Edge, if you deny that then you’re most definitely a Tony fan. He’s a great player, but why are people STILL pissed at Nat, even though she didn’t win? It’s like they are saying “how dare you try to beat Tony”
@@TheCrusherofice I don't blame Nat at all for trying, and I don't take anything away from her dominating the edge. It's just that she did come very close to winning, which shouldn't be possible. Yes, she dominated the edge. But she was on the edge because she failed in the main game so badly that she was voted out first. It's not even fair to consider her edge domination to anyone in the game. You don't know how ___ would've done on the edge if they had been voted out first. You fundamentally have to fail at survivor and need a second chance to be on the edge, so every player who didn't need a second chance in the first place is automatically better. Edge is so flawed and it makes it very easy for returnees to reach the end, and sometimes win. Natalie had the opportunity to make the jury love her, but her social game sucked and as a result they didn't want to reward her. At least Chris utilized his ridiculous advantage of knowing the jury and having all the info to win, and while it's stupid, at least he did it right.
Will Rambo Yeah i can see where you’re coming from. I always thought like Survivor should’ve never implemented a twist that makes people return, Redemption Island wasn’t too bad I guess. Nat definitely lacked a social game, but I’m seeing a lot of hate for Nat as if it was her fault that EoE exists or as if she doesnt deserve to be in the f3. Like sure I don’t think she should’ve beaten Tony, but I’m not gonna knock her game because I’m upset at a twist. But yeah I agree, I hope they don’t bring back EoE, but I understand why they did bring it back for an all winners season.
The edge can really screw up other players in the game like if anything went wrong I can see Tony going home and living with jury is stupid that like a defendant or prosecutor spending days with Jury before a trial some people are bound to be biased regardless and people from premerge shouldn't be on juries you can be in final 3 and not have spoken to or played with a finalist before. I would voted for Chris over Gavin because well Gavin is Gavin but Chris shouldn’t get to come in at the end it really robbed Rick or Victoria from winning and almost robbed Tony.
Start from Borneo because if a new season comes out then you will have to go out of order to cover that season. And yes do this for all of the seasons. This is good video
Danni would be number 20 for me. She blew up the old school alliance that would have saved all of their butts. Amber was mostly screwed by being married to Boston Rob, while Danni was running around with loose lips like she had never seen the show before.
I actually agree. Amber also called Tony out at tribal. SHE KNEW!
The danni boot was edited differently than what actually happened simply because it isnt that relevant to the season. She got blamed for the natalie boot for no reason and there was a rumor spreading of going through peoples bags (which wasnt true) so no one really trusted her. It is partly her fault for not having an ally close enough to try and save her but I dont think she wouldve been targeted as fast
Danni got a terrible edit, plus she was literally the only one on sele who didn't have any relationships with anyone else on the tribe. Once someone threw her under the bus, it was just a dogpile
@@realitytvfanatic2849 Parvati spread that and then Jeremy blames the bag on her. Bad play by old schooler and I would probably put Danni over Ethan for that
Michele although I agree with your points, I think she should’ve gotten 7th or 6th.
I think this is a really well made video! I would agree with your rankings, but i would probably put sandra a little higher, and possibly jeremy too. other than that, this video was a perfect ranking!
Boys with a time machine: “Hey I’m you’re future self”
Men with a time machine: “No Sophie, don’t split the votes!”
My ranking of the players:
20. Sandra
19. Amber
18. Danni
17. Natalie
16. Ethan
15. Rob
14. Parvati
13. Yul
12. Adam
11. Wendell
10. Tyson
9. Sophie
8. Kim
7. Nick
6.Jeremy
5.Denise
4. Sarah
3. Ben
2. Michelle
1. Tony
Michelle wasn't threatening to anyone (hence 0 jury votes). Ben was an accessory for other players (hence him bowing himself out of the game). How could you possibly place them 2 and 3??
@@sashapatsel7170 this is only my opinion. It’s okay if you disagree.
Btw, several jurors revealed that they would’ve likely voted Michele, but voted Tony to ensue that Natalie didn’t win.
I wonder what would have happened if Sophie has played her idol.
that's why it was such a great play, she had absolutely no clue it was coming and on a season like this she wouldn't have taken any hances either
Bold prediction, if sophie plays her idol Jeremy goes, the next round nick makes his 4 alliance with Michelle, Kim, and Denise, tonynoticing this works with Sophie to flip nick and vote out Kim, final 7 tony still trying to take out tony but cant right then and they have to choose between Denise and Michele and they vote out Michele. At final 6 they blindside nick, and Natalie comes back in the game. Natalie then wins immunity and plays her idol for Denise but tony and Ben play idols nullifying the votes for Denise and Ben, doing a revote between sophie and Sarah, sophie goes home then. At final 5 Ben lets Sarah side with Michele and Natalie and Ben gets voted out. Nat then wins immunity and she sends Sarah and tony to fire, tony wins and it is final 3 of Denise, Natalie, ands tony. Tony wins 12-4-0
Wendell played a decent game imo. He had power in sele
I would say most of that power in sele came from pre game alliances and an especially strong pre game relationship with Michele. If anything I think he played poorly in sele because he made himself a big enough threat that he was the person Parvati voted for and yul later voted for. If they had teamed up or got nick to flip he could have been the one going home.
Agreed, he lost because Yul targeted him for no good reason. Forced him to vote out Yul and burn the Sophie bridge. Otherwise the Yul-Sophie relationship could have pulled him in the majority.
He played decently but I think with Wendell and a lot of winners they got in their heads. Wendell got flack with people saying Dominic was the only strategic one you was the social one so I suspect that made him more aggressive and I think it was to soon for him to be playing again he spoke in preseason on how excited he was to make big moves and blindside big dogs so I suspect playing so soon made especially on winners at all made him play a more aggressive game which I don’t think was in his best interest.
Won’t say Yul targeted him for no good reason his whole Parv I’ll vote for you if you give me tokens thing was not something he told his allies and acted like why you mad I did that. Plus hisWendell has a tendency to talk a lot at tribal which is something you don’t want plus I think Yul was going home regardless Wendell said he wasn’t getting rid of Michele post season because he knew outside game and it just bad luck that merge didn’t happen to 11 when they usually happen way earlier at like 13. If anything I think Wendell should’ve gone to Yul and Nick and promised to God he was with them and apologize and tell them they should get rid of Michelle because if they don’t premerge no one really gonna vote her out.
@@Luckruls but he was able to keep nick and michele on his side I feel like u have to praise him for what DID happen especially when there’s only 4 ppl as options
Rob may have convinced Jeremy to vote for Adam had Sele gone to the fifth tribal council, but he didnt convinced Miche. Adam and Michele had a pregame alliance where they both were going to working together on opposite alliances yet protecting each other (Michele admitted to this in her most recent Reddit AMA as well as recent on RHAP youtube channel). Michele stated on RHAP that she would not have voted for adam at that point in time.
It hard to take her opinion on things because she well not exactly known for knowing her going home in the game I think Adam goes Jeremy didn’t want around Jeremy didn’t want people like Adam around in first place because he knew he was erratic and horrible ally and said preseason these lower winners are gonna go farther because no one takes them seriously so I’m inclined to believe Adam would’ve gone home I’m not inclined to take what Adam or Michele say because they shown they are not the best judge of game dynamics and well they kinda got humiliated on national tv and this makes them seem more seem more strategic.
michele actually said that when parvati grabbed the sele buff she was going next no matter what
Yeah looks like pre-game alliances are becoming an issue
S M Kim was told that if she pre-gamed, she would be removed from the cast. What about Yul? I love Yul but man he pre-gamed with 25% of the cast before...
@@anrajsoni2596 what seriously?? That is really unfair, considering Sarah, Michele, Yull all pre gamed.I guess she wasnt popular enough so they didnt close one eye.
Nice video! I feel bad for Danni, her edit was pretty bad. I really wanted more from her, as well as amber.
i think wendell should be higher. he was never in trouble pre- merge. he always had the numbers.
I agree. He got screwed because Yul made the very poor decision to target him for his “showboating.” If Yul hadn’t targeted him, there’s a good chance Michelle goes at the swap, and then the Yul-Sophie connection could have pulled him into the majority alliance.
I agree with this. The issue was all the men on that new Sele tribe had a pre game alliance or relationship with Michelle. If they just cut ties with her instead of Yul. All 3 of Wendell, Nick & Yul could have gone very far In the game with their potential numbers at the Merge (with Sophie, etc).
@@harrdeeharr I think it was more abt what Wendell was saying at the parv tribal than the showboating
Parvati should've been way lower. She did nothing on the season. At least Rob and Sandra made plays. Also, Tyson continues to be highly overrated (he's played poorly in 3 out of 4 seasons now).
I agree while Rob and Sandra made bad plays that at least tried to do something
Imagine thinking that making bad plays is better than no play at all. Didn't help that she had 0 chance of making it out of that swap.
Still a top 3 player of all time
@@bradleygrace7783 it shows agency Rob and Sandra tried to make something happen and it backfired while players like Amber, Ethan, and Parvati could've been replaced with a sack of potatoes and it would've done the same as them in the game.
@@philbox3productions showing agency is not necessarily a good move, for Sandra, Rob and Parvati (or anyone with a huge target) it is absolutely the worst thing you can do because you NEED to lower your threat level as much as you can. The game is to win not to be a flashy merge boot.
All you need to do is do just enough to make sure you can survive long enough to eventually build to something later on. Also dont compare Amber, Ethan and Parvati they are not on the same playing field.
Serious question though, what agency did Tony before the final 9?
@@philbox3productions just to add, I'm not saying that having no agency is a good move I'm saying that choosing to take a back seat is the best move and probably works. Her weakest move was probably sticking so close to Rob after the Danni move but it did save her so idk. She got swap screwed that's it.
You should do a final juror ranking. I wanna see you put wentworth and Devens low and watch casuals freak out.
Adam played way harder than Parvati that's a fact
shmokey341 and better than Wendell
I think Adam’s game began to sink when he went to edge
Ben and Nick placements very questionable 🤔
Ben yes. Nick no
Nick yes. Ben no.
Nick is very cool bit i think he plays better in Wilsons at War
@@jollfamily4379 you meen Ben yes
This was very entertaining!
I feel bad for Ethan. I really think all in all he had put himself in a great social position and if he’d made it to the swap I think he would’ve made a deep run. He got caught in the crossfire of the Sele tribe. Really almost all the “old schoolers” had some impressive gameplay, there was just no way they could get a foothold given the new schoolers fear of letting the legends of the game get any momentum. We need an even old/new school split all star season in the future to give both sides a fair shot
At 7:50 Boston Rob was targeting Adam with Parvati and ethan and try to convinced Ben and the others member to vote for Adam.
Mitchelle and Jeremy convinced Denise and Ben to vote for ethan instead thus saving him.
In the nxt tribal, Boston rob admitted that he was trying blindside Adam but got blindsided by Mitchelle, Jeremy, Ben and Denise alliance.
I haven't watched yet, but I think it would be hard to rank players with big reputations who come into the season - Like Rob , who really never had a chance to win through the main game anyways. Ben was targeting him pregame, Sophie and Sarah were shown to have no interest in working with Rob at all.
I don’t think that stuff’s going to affect it seeing as he said it’s a ranking only of how they did on this season
@@bradleyberdan5154 That kinda stuff does kinda matter, considering how it is a returnee season. You can't really blame Rob for getting targeted pregame because of RI
You can't give big targets a complete pass for mistakes made but you have to give them some leeway for needing to do more.
Here's mine:
20. Amber
19. Danni
18. Sandra
17. Ethan
16. Denise
15. Boston Rob
14. Ben
13. Adam
12. Tyson
11. Parv
10. Wendell
9. Yul
8. Natalie
7. Nick
6. Jeremy
5. Michele
4. Kim
3. Sarah
2. Sophie
1. Tony
Only my opinion though.
Why Sophie above Sarah and Yul above Wendell?
@@vaporterra I felt that Yul made that one mistake that screwed him but before that, no one really recognized his threat while since the swap the two seles targeted Wendell immediately. And Sarah played with too much emotion, I respect her duo with Tony but she was literally willing to bring Tony to the end even when people are saying she can't beat him. Sophie on the other hand prioritizes positioning herself better, and imo was playing an excellent game at the time and was the biggest thread which is the reason that Tony decided to blindsided her. Only my opinion though :))
@@vaporterra Sarah was a goat to Tony
Finally someone appreciates Ben. He’s one of my favorite players, so seeing him go far in the season was awesome. Unless I’m mistaken he didn’t know Tony, Sarah, and Denise, but he realized that they, mainly Tony and Sarah, were leading the game and joined them.
I still think he was a good goat and he was never getting a single vote in F3
Nick and Wendell probably played the most overatted games. They made the hhhuuuge mistake of taking out Yul instead of Michelle. All of them were in a pre-game alliance but taking out Yul turned the entire Dakal tribe against them according to Kim in RHAP post game podcast.
Also Nick was way to loyal to Tony for some reason.
And I agree that Ben is way underated. Just because he won his first game in a stupid way doesnt take away the fact that he was the driving force in a lot of the votes.
According to Michele in post interviews Jeremy was too. After Tony blindsided Sophie Nick and Jeremy were in awe of Tony and decided to be loyal to him and him alone to there detriment.
I completely disagree with Michelle's rankings is not a followers survived with still being left out of a ton of votes.
ITS BIG BROTHER SEASON!!! Start making more BIG BROTHER videos!!! In the summer I ONLY WANNA SEE THE BIG BROTHER VIDEOS! Idc what the other comments say, I want big brother, it’s big brother season! I’ll even take BBCAN as well! Thank you so much for survivor videos, but it’s time to move on! Thank you!
I hope you relaxed a bit in the past 2 months
Sandra did that move to get rid of Jeremy bc him and Tony were getting very close and Tony was her closest ally in that moment and she didn’t want Jeremy to rip him away from her, it would have been a good move if it worked she just consulted in the wrong person and did this at the wrong time.
MICHELE AND TONY WERE THE 2 BEST PLAYERS OF THE SEASON!! TONY DESERVED THE WIN BUT MICHELE DESERVED 2ND PLACE AND SHES FRICKING HOT
Sophie and Sarah were my favs. AND THEY ARE BOTH IN THE TOP 3
I feel Yul should have been a bit higher, Tyson and definitely Parv should be lower. But I do know you are a bit of a Parv fanboy (who isn't.. :D) so I know there is a bias.
I agree that Tyson should be lower. I'm not sure what he did in this game that was so good other than buy peanut butter and win the play-in challenge.
My Personal Post-Season Power Rankings:
1. Tony
2. Sarah
3. Sophie
4. Michele
5. Jeremy
6. Kim
7. Nick
8. Yul
9. Tyson
10. Parvati
11. Denise
12. Adam
13. Rob
14. Wendell
15. Ethan
16. Natalie
17. Ben
18. Sandra
19. Danni
20. Amber
Stop putting Ben at the back
@@regularperson7380 no
Amazing that Boston Rob ever won a season.
I would love to see a player ranking for Edge of Extinction
My rankings:
1. Tony
2. Yul
3. Michelle
4. Sarah
5. Kim
6. Wendell
7. Nick
8. Sophie
9. Parvati
10. Jeremy
11. Dinese
12. Rob
13. Ben
14. Danni
15. Natalie
16. Tyson
17. Sandra
18. Ethan
19. Adam
20. Amber
How is Wendell at 6 and Sophie at 9? This seems more of an emotion based list than gameplay
@@aidanm9934 sophie went home with an idol in her pocket and wendell got alot of screen time
Putting Yul 2nd is unreasonable. I love the guy, but he didn’t even make the merge.
@@redclyde730 he played a major part in the pre-merge
daddyzavid 2020 Not really... he lucked out with Tyson shooting himself in the foot at Tyson’s first boot, and revealed himself to be wayyyyy too scheme-y at his boot. He honestly probably would’ve been fine if he didn’t try to be so controlling. Yul’s very overrated as a player imo.
Personal
20. Amber
19. Sandra
18. Ethan
17. Natalie
16. Danni
15. Rob
14. Adam
13. Yul
12. Tyson
11. Wendell
10. Parvati
9. Denise
8. Michelle
7. Jeremy
6. Kim
5. Ben
4. Sophie
3. Nick
2. Sarah
1. Tony
My opinion: Denise *should not* be higher than Michele. She played pretty mediocre in WaW and all she done was idol out Sandra, she was out of the loop every vote. (From Adam to Jeremy) Also Ben shouldn’t be that high, though I don’t hate him, his grudges with Jeremy and Adam really got on my nerves, and his game was again really mediocre. He screwed plans by telling them to the big players (Danni targeting Rob, Kim targeting Tony) and ultimately, I think he would get 0 votes in finale. Also, a lot of people saying Nick played bad is a little understandable but not really. Nick had a phenomenal social game, for example, he was at bottom at F11, yet he somehow didn’t get any heat and he started moving up the totem slowly and UTR like and he participated in logical plans. (The Sophie blindside) His biggest mistake was voting off Jeremy over Ben because here’s what happens when Jeremy is F6. Nick could take Jeremy out now, considering Natalie will comeback so it wouldn’t matter. He does a 3-3 vote with Natalie and Michele, meaning Sarah, Denise, and Nick are in tie. Nick and Denise go to fire, Nick wins fire. Michele Natalie and Nick have majority, they take Sarah F5, Nick and Tony go to fire, Nick wins, and Nick can win the entire game.
Great comment and that is why the move to get rid of Jeremy was actually so bad. He cost himself the game right there.
Stephanie L Thank You
Adam says Rob's "impressive move" you reference where he goes to Jeremy and Michele was the edit lying. Adam told Rob C he went to the rest of the tribe the minute Rob said "I can say it anyway" and announced Rob intends to falsely claim I'm trying to talk to him just so u know. Jeremy wanted Adam gone anyway from Day 1 it wasn't him believing Rob it was him wanting Adam gone cuz he's not a meat shield
How can you say that Ben is a good player when you realize that everybody was annoyed by him and that everybody knows that he has no chance of winning?
I think people need to understand a difference between being kept in majority because it's of your of volition and social standing to CONSCIOUSLY be there or being kept in majority because you're a goat that doesn't need to be voted out. Ben did not play a bad game, but he was incredibly flawed imo.
My take:
20. Amber
19. Danni
18. Ethan
17. Sandra
16. Adam
15. Wendell
14. Tyson
13. Rob
12. Yul
11. Parvati
10. Ben
9. Natalie
8. Denise
7. Nick
6. Kim
5. Michele
4. Jeremy
3. Sophie
2. Sarah
1. Tony
I’d honestly put yul even higher. According to most AMAs and post season interviews, if yul made merge he would’ve been insulated incredibly wrong.
Sophie said she likely would have voted for Tony at the finals even if Sarah was there. I think if Sarah and Tony were in the finals together, there would be a split but I don’t think it would a whole lot of votes. Also I don’t see why anyone that voted for Tony would switch to Natalie, given they could have done that this season.
23:02 C’mon. How do u put Ben and Kim higher than Michele. I’m lost
This game is physical social and strategy, but this dude literally only cares about strategy.
Michele social game is so good she was in the bottom the entire merge damn that's a good social game nah her social game doesnt go past people liking her it never translates into actually helping her in the game and strategically shes not great her and natalie played the end game so bad
Cuz Michelle sucks at the game and played awful. She was on the bottom basically the whole game
@@jacklundy8901 I only care about strategy too and I wouod have put her at like 13
@@charlieradant I think I'd keep Ben and Kim higher, but I'd bump Michele above Denise and maybe Jeremy, who just threw away their own games multiple rounds in a row for Tony. At least Nick working with him kind of made sense.
I stopped watching when I saw Michelle was at 9 lol.
Lowkey disrespectful ranking
i mean i was rooting for michelle too and i thought she deserved a vote at the end, but like the video said, she was left out of a lot of votes
@Billy Joseph So did the jury. Several jurors were considering voting Michele in order to give her 2nd place, but they were afraid Tony might not get the votes to win -- so they piled their votes on Tony instead.
TeamPaul17 So true. Michelle was an underdog just like Dani, Amber and Sophie. Plus she was considered an underrated/controversial winner like Denise, Adam, Nick, Ben, Ethan. I thought she would get second place too.
shes being overrated now tho, she had 0 agency, if people thought she could beat anyone she wouldnt have sat there at the end
Nick is WAYYYY too high... Ben and Jeremy should have been above him. Also, Kim?? Probably should have been 8.
Kim is at a good spot. Nick on the other hand.
Ben is already too high.
I'd recommend that you listen to everyone's deep dives and then redo this list. You have so many people in the wrong spots. Ben had a poor social game and if you listened to deep dives you'd understand that. Also, if you listened to Adam's you'd know that Rob did not get the target off him onto Adam because they didn't buy what he was selling. They WERE mad at Adam but not because of what Rob did - they were still mad at him from what happened the previous round. Also, the buddy system was SO bad. Rob doing that alone should've knocked him down a spot. Additionally, if you listened to deep dives you'd give more credit to Yul's and Adam's games.
Uh no, if anything the deep dives and all the post game press showed that Ben actually played well and the whole narrative that he was a terrible player and that he was hated really only stemmed from Rob, Adam and Jeremy. In Sophie's Deep Dive she said that she would've voted for him in a Natalie/Michelle/Ben F3, and I would hazard a guess that he gets Tony Sarah and Denise too. I am guessing you heard about the incident between Ben and Jeremy on day 1 where Jeremy essentially alienated Ben for the rest of the game. You cannot say that a winner is a terrible player, even if you think their win was rigged.
@@shinyhydreigon7257 You can't convince me that Ben played a good game when he didn't have a good social game. He wasn't the nicest to people who weren't his besties. Even Sophie said he yelled at her on Yara and he treated Michele like public enemy #1 at the merge.
Jeremy acting the way he did with Ben...well he had just been blindsided and was PO'd. How is that any different than Ben tanking Adam's game? Unlike Ben, Jeremy didn't hold a grudge against him for those issues they had and even wanted to work with him post-merge.
Also, the fact that Ben would've gotten votes in a final 3 of him, Michele and Natalie is why it was a terrible move for him to quit. He said his mental health couldn't take being eviscerated by the jury. Well, then he would've known what Chrissy on his original season felt like. Ben's best move, especially if he wanted Sarah to win, would've been to stick it out and try to beat Tony at fire.
Implying that there are "wrong spots" is completely untrue, we all have our opinions and our morals and our outlooks on this season of survivor which is why people debate whether Natalie or Michelle deserved 2nd place, If Adam's move to try and play the podium is a great or hilariously bad attempt, If Ben was even a good player (Like what you're saying here) and more. There are some people who played better than others, however if you're saying that there's "wrong spots" even though he's not ranking the players based off what place they ended up in this season, then you're wrong because this is the order of people who he thinks played the worst games to the best games, deep dives can offer people a new perspective on things and give them some insight, however, saying that they'd definitely change opinions about stuff you disagree with them personally, is just untrue (Although there are some parts of the season that were edited to be worse or better than they really were, that's the parts they decided to show on camera for TV and so that's the version he's gotta work off of).
@@sinspeed7345 Yes but I am saying that if he listened to people's deep dives with RHAP he would have a different opinion of how Yul, Adam and Ben played the game. And a lot of the comments here show that many people feel the same that I do. There were a lot of things he said that if he listened to deep dives his opinions would change because the contestants spoke out about those very things. (i. e. He said Rob had a good move because he convinced Michele and Jeremy that Adam was continuing to work with him and Parv. That was proven incorrect in deep dives so it shows it wasn't a good move. Also, if you listen to Adam's deep dive you really appreciate him playing the podium idol and see that it was actually brilliant. He put SO much thought into that. That alone, along with how he worked his butt off and if not for Kim blabbing the plan to vote off Sarah to Sarah [and she said in her deep dive that this is her number 1 regret because she actually wanted to work with Adam], Sarah goes home and the entire game changes and Adam looks like a genius which shows he at least deserves top 10.)
@@ESCSteph When you put it like that, that could actually be the case, however sadly the show edited Adam's game to look worse than it already was (But I ain't complaining too much since watching Adam was entertaining as hell for me even if his game was actually better than it looked in the edits) and I did indeed watch Adam's explanation on his podium idol playing attempt which even Jeff respected, but only part of that was explained during the show and deep dives are definitely useful to understand things that were edited out of the episodes, but blame that more on the producers than the guy, they edited out the stuff he didn't see those because production thought it was good to cut out all that, but you are right, his opinion will most likely change if he watches the deep dives, but as of the video he hasn't watched them sadly, however not everyone will. As for the Boston Rob buddy system move, I feel like that was because Rob knew his time was up so he might as well bring back the good old buddy system, I mean he was with Ben and Adam, I don't think they would've stayed loyal with Rob (which is kinda more of Rob's fault, but the swap is always random Rob got unlucky with the swap) and so he just did the buddy system because, Why not? However, I'm gonna need links to the deep dives for me to check them out myself.
40:20 Yeah I really thought Sophie had a very good relationship with Sophie I’m glad you picked up on that detail too!
how was Boston Rob's game impressive? he once again showed that he isn't comfortable not being in complete control, and the only thing Rob could've done to save himself (break apart from Parvati) didn't happen because Rob decided he'd rather get a sick pre-merge sequence where he totally owns Adam by dismantling Sele's trust. Rob seriously played one of the worst games here, he should've been advertising himself as meat shield number 1.
Agreed! Tony and Rob probably had the 2 biggest targets coming into the game. Tony completely changed his game and won. Rob didn't do a thing differently from any other time he played the game.
Stephanie L Yup! I’d argue Sandra and Parvati had targets bigger and/or equal to theirs as well. It’s just so weird because I feel like Boston Rob played so poorly. Apparently the scene where Rob lies to Michele and Jeremy about Adam flipping was all theatrics too, Adam said that Michele knew what was up and then told Jeremy, the edit just wanted to make Rob look good.
@@jacobcannon8876 Yeah, exactly that he convinced no one that Adam was trying to work with him and Parv.
Also Jeff Probst said outside of game relationships mean nothing in survivor also her and Wendell were not even on good terms so I guess you just can’t see how Michele was robbed and she was going to get some votes but they were afraid that Tony would not win
Natalie had an unfair advantage for getting voted out first because she had more time to find fire-tokens and buy advantages, and more time to bond with the people in the early game
7 is a fair ranking for jeremy, cause that's what place he Legitimately finished!
#20- Amber Mariano. Winner of Survivor: All-Stars 20th Place
#19- Sandra Diaz-Twine. Winner of Survivor: Pearl Islands and Survivor: Heroes vs Villains 16th Place
#18- Danni Boatwright. Winner of Survivor: Guatemala 19th Place
#17- Ethan Zohn. Winner of Survivor: Africa 18th Place
#16- Adam Klein. Winner of Survivor: Millennials vs Gen X 12th Place
#15- Boston Rob Mariano. Winner of Survivor: Redemption Island 17th Place
#14- Yul Kwon. Winner of Survivor: Cook Islands 14th Place
#13- Wendell Holland. Winner of Survivor: Ghost Island 13th Place
#12- Tyson Apostol. Winner of Survivor: Blood vs Water 11th Place
#11- Natalie Anderson. Winner of Survivor: San Juan del Sur 2nd Place
#10- Parvati Shallow. Winner of Survivor: Micronesia Fans vs Favorites 15th Place
#9- Michele Fitzgerald. Winner of Survivor Koah Rong 3rd Place
#8- Denise Stapley. Winner of Survivor: Philippines 6th Place
#7- Jeremy Collins. Winner of Survivor: Cambodia Second Chance 8th Place
#6- Ben Driebergen. Winner of Survivor: Heroes vs Healers vs Hustlers 5th Place
#5- Nick Wilson. Winner of Survivor: David vs Goliath 7th Place
#4- Kim Spradlin. Winner of Survivor: One World 9th Place
#3- Sophie Clarke. Winner of Survivor: South Pacific 10th Place
#2- Sarah Lacina. Winner of Survivor: Game Changers 4th Place
#1- Tony Vlachos. Winner of Survivor: Cagayan 1st Place
Totaly agree
Ben played well to get far but not to win! Nick just did something somehwere ahaha
Against all the diff pre-game alliances, most of the old schoolers had no chance. Yul targetting the poker alliance, which isnt even real when he has a pre-game alliance is ironic.
Great video, I agree with everything #TonyIsTheGreatestOfAllTime
Kim had zero relations first half of the game... was scrambling from the bottom the second half... far from a good game, she had ZERO control
Kim got a bad edit. She was super close with Sarah and Sophie the entire game, and was in a fairly safe position premerge
Please do a seris on this
Do this for every season
My list:
20: Amber
19: Danni
18: Adam
17: Sandra
16: Wendell
15: Ethan
14: Parvati
13: Rob
12: Natalie
11: Tyson
10: Yul
9: Ben
8: Nick
7: Denise
6: Sophie
5: Jeremy
4: Sarah
3: Kim
2: Michele
1: Tony
Top ten final tribal performances?
1. Tony (played a near perfect game, led many blindsides, won the most challenges and received no votes all season)
2. Denise (played a very strong game, saved herself from almost certain elimination and blindsided Sandra, made many allies and navigated through different alliances with relative ease, won a good number of challenges, played her own game and was not following any one or two people, could've won if she made it to the end, Natalie's idol sealed her fate though, but evenso no one wanted her to be the one to go that night)
3. Michele (most underrated player of the season, very very strong social game, managed to keep the target off of herself despite not being the majority alliance, also played a very covert game which some people like to talk crap about but it had been proven to be an effective strategy, that's what led Sndra to be the first two-time winner, Boston Rob could learn a lot from her)
4. Natalie (played the best edge game by far!, even made many fans like it, however she was the first boot, and never survived one vote without protection, she also amde a few mistakes when she got back in the game not playing the idol for Michele and not sending Sarah and Denise to fire)
5. Sarah (was very dependent on Tony (and also Sophie) , although she tried to make it seem like she wasn't, telling him about her steal-a-vote opportunity did nothing for her, how did he help by spitting on her face?, she really didn't make any moves without Tony or Sophie and was not really responsible for leading any moves)
6. (tie) Sophie (made a lot of strong alliances and made strong moves in a strong alliance but also voted out with an idol in her pocket)
6. (tie) Jeremy (made many allies in the game and people were very scared of him making it to the end, he did escape 3 tribals where he was supposed to be the main target but was ultimately played by Tony and supremely screwed by Nick)
8. Wendell (also played a strong game at the beginning and saved himself after ruining the last pre-merge tribe, but clearly did not have much support at the merge which led to he to voted out with a pretty strong margin)
9. Adam ( you can't say he's not a tryer, unlike many old schoolers who seemed to lose their fire, he went out and played very hard, going to Rob was huge mistake which made him lose a lot of trust but he didn't really do much else wrong, and very attentive, the attempt to get "the idol" was really a smart move even if it didn't end up being one
10. Yul (played a good game in the first few rounds making many strong allies but couldn't save himself even after Wendell screwed the tribe in the challenge and was essentially the "easy vote"
11. Parvati (did well in the beginning, but like Tyson , this was not her best work, the Parv from Heroes vs Villains and Micronesia would've found a way through the tribe swap and she essentially accepted her fate)
12. Tyson (played decently, but seemingly not as well as he did in Blood vs Water, was unable to save himself twice)
13. Kim (made many bad moves this season, was almost the 2nd out if Amber wasn't married to Rob on the other tribe, misplayed her idol, gave up immunity and was voted out; would've done better if plan to blindside Tony worked but still)
14. Ben (made it far with a strong alliance (that he was not in control of) but basically gave up and did not have the respect of the jury)
15. Nick (he made it far but mostly rode others' coat tails (esp Tony), and screwed his entire game by voting out Jeremy and thought that was a great move)
16. Ethan (wasn't really his fault he was voted out but didn't play super hard and was dependent on Parv and Rob)
17. Rob (no adaptability, plays the same game every time and would've never work especially this season)
18. Danni (completely screwed herself by freaking out and going to Rob)
19. Sandra (did well in the first few rounds, but giving Denise her idol was was of the dumbest moves ever)
20. Amber (basically didn't even try, was just there for Rob)
You have someone who quit over Michele... agree to disagree
Ben did not quit, he knew he wasn’t gonna win, and Sarah almost certainly told Natalie and Michele he was done. Ben took advantage with what he had. Ben did not quit and neither did Sandra. Go back to Russell hantz’ youtube channel.
pikachad If people are saying Sandra quit by leaving EoE then Ben quit by voluntarily being voted out of the part of the game that matters
Introduction of the Player Rankings of Survivor/Big Brother US & International.
I agree with everything, but I think Denise should have been higher. She won 2 individual immunities, used idols, and took out the queen!
Parvati so high? Well that seems biased
@Lucien she just wasn't the same cuz she's now married and has a daughter
You give Tony credit for winning immunities while saying it doesn't count in Michelle's favor? hmmm
Michele NEEDED those immunities , Tony never did.
@@lxmindstate Facts not in evidence.
@@lxmindstate good for her. Should be higher then
how so little subs? he makes like 500 bucks a month its not fair he deserves better!
Looking back it’s hilarious that Ben letting Sarah got him out to help her is actually probably why she lost. Like he probably wins fire against Tony where Sarah probably wins. It’s also sad that the final tribal would have been much more interesting in that scenario. Replace Michelle with Sarah In any final tribal and its much closer.
Nick played an AWFUL season and TANKED his own game when him and Michele FINALLY had a chance to make a move with Jeremy....in no way was nick thinking Tony has his back over Sarah and Ben even a understandable mistake...Michele said it to him and apparently she told him what an idiot he was ten times worse than what was shown. Michele was a victim to NO ONE being willing to make a move against Tony. It was so evident to the jury and the audience that Tony was running the show but until the end I believe that some of those people genuinely believed they could beat Tony...which was ridiculous. There was a core alliance that was just so strong and the people like Kim and Michele and Nick and Jeremy should have been working together. After Kim was taken out, Michele was the ONLY person atleast trying to make something happen. Sometimes I agree with you and others your logic confuses me so fucking much
Super late reply but if Nick takes out Ben at F7. Guess who is still in the game? Tony, Sarah, and Jeremy. 3 people he has no chance of beating at the end plus the edge returnee he has to worry about. The odds of all of them leaving the game and being in the finals with Ben, Denise, and Michele are very low. He took out Jeremy because it removes one of the players he can’t beat while also thinking he would be safe because he thought Tony was with him because they had a close relationship from Day 1. He says in a confessional that Tony is his main man in the game. I guarantee you if Nick won the F4 challenge and Tony was still there he would have taken him out in fire knowing there was no chance of beating him. Nick played well this season the editors did not show his relationship with Tony at all to show why he voted out Jeremy.
my list: 1. Amber, 2, Dani, 3. Ethan, 4. Boston Rob., 5. Wendell, 6. Sandra, 7. Ben, 8. Parvati, 9. Kim, 10. Yul, 11, Tyson, 12, Adam, 13. Nick, 14..Denise, 15. Jeremy, 16.. Michelle, 17. Sarah, 18. Natalie, 19. Sophie, 20. Tony .
Yul should be a little higher imo
20: Danni
19: Amber
18: Ethan
17: Adam
16: Rob
15: Tyson
14: Sandra
13: Parvati
12: Wendell
11: Ben
10: Natalie
9: Yul
8: Denise
7: Jeremy
6: Michele
5: Nick
4: Kim
3: Sophie
2: Sarah
1: Tony!
Solid list. Him having Yul that low is a crime. Idk why he put him below Tyson, Parvati and Wendell. They all played terribly. Yul just got screwed by the swap. You could say Parvati got screwed too but she got voted out because she made stupid decisions on original sele.
When you go into a game with 19 pregame alliances like Michelle did it’s pretty easy to get to the end of the game lmao. For real tho I think she had like 12.
She had a pregame alliance with Wendell, nick, and Yul, right? And she also knew Jeremy. Wendell and Yul didn't help her at all in the end, and Nick and Jeremy with their mistakes kinda blew up her game. Now if you wanna talk pre game alliance kings, you gotta talk yul, who tried to make one with like every member of the cast
Brian Regan Nick and Yul kept her in the game at the swap
Brian Regan Partially true. She had a pregame alliance with Nick, Yul, Wendell, Parvati, Adam, Jeremy, and those people had many connections whom she could work with. Basically the alliance she was not in with Tony, Ben, Sarah, Sophie, and Denise, where some of probably about 7-8 people she had no connection with prior to the game.
I mean we’ve seen a lot of heavy pregame players go out early in past seasons so that kinda hurts your point but I get what you’re trying to say. When enough people want to work with you, you have a good chance to make it far. Where Cochran succeeded in bringing the right people to the end, Michele didn’t.
@@VIVE305 He alliances with Parvati and Adam didn't go anywhere, and I'm fairly sure she said she didn't have an official pregame alliance withJeremy, they just knew each other so they wanted to work together
I don't know about Ben and Jeremy being that high, they played pretty poorly
nah, ben played so much better than he did on HHH. he made better bonds and was always on the majority and never needed to find all those idols
I agree, Ben should have been lower than Boston Rob. He literally was just following Tony around like a lost puppy.
@@nizzle428 He had bonds, but if he made f3 he was a goat. Compared to anyone else in the game at that point, he would have gotten the least votes.
@@nizzle428 I dont know I kinda prefer his HHH game. Sure he needed idols and a firemaking challenge but he was seen as the mastermind by the jury. He made several good plays to add agency to his game. He just kinda fumbled about, made it far and followed Tony this game.
suppacoo that’s a good point. it’s similar to troyzan in game changers that he’s so fixated on not playing aggressively and being a huge threat to get to the end that they forgot to play a game good enough to win
Parv could have used her tokens and/or idol nullifier to try to flip Nick or Yul.
Denise is a liiiiiittle bit too high on your list in my opinion. She didn’t do too much this season, other than voting Sandra out. Other than that, she was just always.... there.