Pay attention at 42.45. The issue of scrutiny. Jubilee has been going around the country talking about scrutiny when there own lawyers opposed the scrutiny in court. When this is pointed out to Kindiki he quickly changes topic.
And they must stop referring to computer generated results as the 'will of Kenyans'. We are not dunderheads and neither were the Supreme Court Judges whom they keep abusing and who are Very Important Custodians of our Constitution.. The Will of Kenyans was for Uhuruto to vacate office. We nulled and we voided them, Period. Btw that Kindiki chats a lot of BS,for a minute i thought he was a diva drug queen.
BK come slowly man Orengo ni kiboko yenu that's why Uhuru nearly overdosed on the liquid stuff. This kindiki hata hajakamilisha 9months he needs to be in an incubator kidogo! But I must say promising little kifaranga unlike Sonko the one who runs around with a camera to proof he is doing some work!
Kithure Kindiki is a very good legal mind. As a practitioner myself, am very impressed. They should invite him more. Orengo decided to confuse politics and the law. Kindiki is understood by only the like minded brilliant minds.
🤣🤣🤣🤣The so called professor is a disgrace to our entire jubilee party.The only person who can challenge orengo is Githu,Otiende,mutula kilonzo junior. Very few lawyers for sure
I'm a Jubilee Supporter but Orengo is a hot iron spear shaped by the fire of time, hardened by the waters of layered to shine by the precious metals of law. His bias makes me not like him but the guy is wise and smart, very damn smart. Absolutely utmost respect.
@Clavers Odhiambo, I've been wanting to reply to your comment for the past 5 years. How's your love for Jimmy Orengo going? There was a time I felt like I'd advice you to marry his daughter, it's the shortest route to making Jimmy your close relative. I knew Jimmy's opinion on Uhuru would change with time and so it has. He's now singing Ruto's praises. That's politics for you.
@ ExpertcomicGaming these days you have to distinguish between a JUA KALI professor from that professor you are talking about. This fellow falls under the jua kali category.
I'm not a Kenyan, but I believe that there are good brains out there like Hon Orenga I don't see why there should amendments in the electoral laws at this 11th hour? To conclude the blind person can see that there is something fishy.
Kithure Kindiki is a competent lawyer and we know it. He's just knowingly arguing on the wrong side of things and that never goes well. That's why he's catching feelings and not arguing facts.
Watching this video three years later is really refreshing😂! Prof didn't know what was going to befall him; from the humble "Uhuru Kenyatta" who eats in kiosks!
james orengois aman who kenyans will never forget hiven me hi is aman GOD gave to kenyans no one wil b like orengo he is atrue kenyan hero james if kenyans were true kenyans and sincere b4 God these guy his worthy to b president
The moderator Larry is one very poor star on NTV side although he is much better than others on the KTN which the poorest interviewers in all the big media houses. I fully acknowledge Orengo steller dabate skill and there is not a doubt he is elequent authoritative and well prepared, just what is expected when agreeing to interview on live national TV. Prof. Kindiki not bad either except for the fact that has much less experience in practicing law relative to Orengo who is senior by many years he gas spent much his post law school years in the academia after his law studies to PhD level. The other advantage Orengo has is the ability to spin issues and turn them back to the opponent. In favt I dare say Orengo is the jewell in ODM and NASA and he knows he has completely and tightly captured Raila. He controls what Raila does and says. It couls be seen that Orengo does not generally allow others to speak which he has perfected over the years to his advantage. Even in the court room, it was evident the judges felt intimidated by Orengo allowed him to inject bytes of political doses from time to time. Justice Prof JB is the only one on the bench who wasn't thrown off balance by Orengo. The NASA controversy about participating in the October 17 election is a ploy strategically intended to keep voters away, particularly intended for breaking the morale and the enthusiasm of Jubilee supporters so that do not come out to vote in large numbers. In conclusion, I end with Larry's weak points. He often is not in control of the debaters to ensure fair time allocation. He also does not ensure debaters haveva chance to respond on each issue before he jumps to a mew issue. He needs to structured too and not jump from topic to topic and back and forth and he should learn when to close debatenon each topic with a conclusive statement. He needs JK's help for tips or perhaps an internship stint at BBC or CNN on SKY or MSNBC stations for 6 months while the entire KTN crew needs no less than 1 year training, all from Ben, Sifia, Jackie, Linda, Betty, Wandera, Gitonga etc the list is quite long.
You will never win against Orengo in a debate, he is a wizard of arguments...by the way, NASA is ODM and ODM is Orengo, without Orengo ODM or NASA will suffer a heart attack
I love seeing what Jubilee legislators stand on , reason, the separate law from politics and politics and law not associate. Politics are dirty and should never be fused by law, it's water and petroleum never combine.
Kindiki is speaking purely truth,,Orengo is just full of pride,,unfortunately pride and profession can never go together..even a simple guy can challenge Orengo easily.
Norman Rutto,hello bro why would Orengo's team win when they were dealing with presidential case???? Am from Praia Cape Verde. I know nothing about Kenyan tribes but I really respect Mr Orengo as a lawyer who is very qualified and loyal to his job.
Those supporting Orengo's politicized partisan legal argument should download the Kenyan Constitution and search part 142. Section 142 says the president takes power from day of swearing in till the next person is sworn in.. Also the same constitution differentiates between 'invalid' & ' null and void' in the case where Maraga 'nullified' the election as if it never took place
I have come to admire the debaters despite their political inclination they are good friends since they understand themselves. Other people spew venom for no good reasons.
IEBC chairman Chebukati had at one time contested for parliamentary seat under ODM. According to Kindiki this is something that Jubilee ought to have made a big deal out of. Because they didn't they take credit. Did the prof know that the DP William Ruto was once in ODM, not to mention a platoon of other ardent Jubilee members?
Orengo makes kindiki to feel like how i used to feel when am given a chemestry exam,i open page 1 to 8 the only thing i know is defination of Atom...what i mean kindiki and orengo on same bench,kindiki feels empty
Lakini for heavens sake, Kindiki is not a match for Orengo, who chose him for this debate! For 2 hrs the good prof. has said nothing! All along the opposition has been having a superior legal mind than the government!
Orengo, like Miguna, is an intellectual bully. His explanation of the law, laced with politics to which Mr. Kindiki refused to go, demonstrates a deep ignorance of the same. Orengo knows that when anything is pronounced null and void, it is as if the particular thing did not exist. But will he accept that fact? Of course not, because he is the mouth of one Raila.
This is very sad. That they would just change figures out of the blue. Cooking figures. I think Jubilee and Uhuru should be ashamed of themselves. So sad.
Do they teach listening skills in Law School? The courtesy of letting the other person speak? Kindiki is plain out of line in this one. Like, let the other party _SPEAK_ then you can respond *after* they've made their point. 😏
I used to have lot of respect for oreshs Academic abilities, but recently he has become more of a warmonger. Well done kindiki for putting up to the Bully!
haaahaaaa,Orengo is senior and the way Kindiki is arguing,it is true that he was demoted,the only thing i like in Kindiki is that he is a good listener.
This is a one man show, biased to it's roots. He should have invited Orengo to speak alone. Such a waste of time and energy for any unbiased person who wanted to watch and listen to a constructive discussion
Pay attention at 42.45. The issue of scrutiny. Jubilee has been going around the country talking about scrutiny when there own lawyers opposed the scrutiny in court. When this is pointed out to Kindiki he quickly changes topic.
Jubilee or Nasa who's telling the truth ' as in truth meter' let's not attack individuals.. Water downing a conversation.
This was more than an excellent performance by Orengo. Prof. was humbled. For fear that it might be brought down, I'll download it.
For Heaven's sake Lari how can you bring Kindiki n ORENGO??, SENATOR ORENGO ni same na Ocampo, Kindiki is a computer Generated leader,!!,TIBIIIM
Kithure Kindiki dismantling James Orengo's deceptions in a very calm and intelligent manner.
U wish hahahaha
Says a block head
My senator Orengo Simba and my Mp Otiende Amolo bright minds Kindiki you ware there with somebody who is not of your levol
Pls next time bring a worthy opponent for Orengo this thing called kindiki hajaiva bado needs to be in an incubator premature kifaranga!
Bonga Sasa .Exactly i agree with you,this thing doesn't not no the law.kindiki you're talking stupid .
Bonga Sasa NASA pple bondo direct kindiki in some parts speak truth,even da person u cal orengo has contradictions in some parts
And they must stop referring to computer generated results as the 'will of Kenyans'. We are not dunderheads and neither were the Supreme Court Judges whom they keep abusing and who are Very Important Custodians of our Constitution.. The Will of Kenyans was for Uhuruto to vacate office. We nulled and we voided them, Period. Btw that Kindiki chats a lot of BS,for a minute i thought he was a diva drug queen.
Bonga Sasa he's not worth the salt orengo doesn't what it takes that's why we give him the boys to deal with him.
BK come slowly man Orengo ni kiboko yenu that's why Uhuru nearly overdosed on the liquid stuff. This kindiki hata hajakamilisha 9months he needs to be in an incubator kidogo! But I must say promising little kifaranga unlike Sonko the one who runs around with a camera to proof he is doing some work!
Kithure Kindiki is a very good legal mind. As a practitioner myself, am very impressed. They should invite him more. Orengo decided to confuse politics and the law. Kindiki is understood by only the like minded brilliant minds.
🤣🤣🤣🤣The so called professor is a disgrace to our entire jubilee party.The only person who can challenge orengo is Githu,Otiende,mutula kilonzo junior. Very few lawyers for sure
Orengo is trying to irritate Kindiki. Kindiki is temperamental and orengo is using this to his benefit....
He should leave his temper at home. Let him come to debates while he is sober.
Sitting with some people in a debate is pain!
A pain in the A*****.
I'm a Jubilee Supporter but Orengo is a hot iron spear shaped by the fire of time, hardened by the waters of layered to shine by the precious metals of law. His bias makes me not like him but the guy is wise and smart, very damn smart. Absolutely utmost respect.
James Orengo is just too smart for Africa let alone Kenya.
haha Captain!
Very true captain Orengo is very smart. Kindiki on the other hand, I see why Murkomen beat him for the Majority Senate Leader
Kindiki you need some Law Classes. Being majority weep/leader does not mean you're special. BURUKENGE YA MWAKA= COMPUTER GENERATED CHICKEN
Ja siaya... I respect your brains sir.
This debate will never go old, 😇👆🏼this man orengo, genius 👏
LOL you were a busy body there😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Orengo has killed it!!! RIP Kindiki🙏
kindiki is being schooled here for free, he needed to bring pen and paper to take notes
liwe liwalo ha ha 😂
liwe liwalo you tew are being schooled
So ORENGO has been nothing but HOT AIR all these years!!
i love Orengo from the bottom of my heart man, sometimes I wish we were blood relatives just for the sake of it lol
@Clavers Odhiambo, I've been wanting to reply to your comment for the past 5 years. How's your love for Jimmy Orengo going? There was a time I felt like I'd advice you to marry his daughter, it's the shortest route to making Jimmy your close relative. I knew Jimmy's opinion on Uhuru would change with time and so it has. He's now singing Ruto's praises. That's politics for you.
Even Larry Madowo looks more of a law professional than Kindiki.
awuoro what you brought to Orengo.
George Otieno ..LOL. WORD .!!
Prof kindiki,I respect you because of your respect to the walking constitution orengo
HOW DID KINDIKI GET A DEGREE? THIS IS AN EMBARASSEMENT. HOW IS HE A LEADER?
KenyaNu Era money talks some 300k and you can get aphd degree this is kenya
🐵+NANCY Pretty 33ee🐗 🐗🐗
Kindiki...Milly Odhiambo is still your SENIOR
Mr.Orengo i salute you......indeed you arr understood better than the jubilee mole who is not a professor that cannot be classified under any category
looks like nobody can be able to debate orengo in Kenya
Ruth Nduati he's damn foolish.
kindiki is a noise maker with no points
what is wrong with these jubilee fruternity they go to medias to a shame their leaders
hahaha good answer kindiki consultation is not a duty is a right
Waaaat... Remove that tharaka nithi chick... He's agueing with no point... He's not worth Hon Orengo statue
A professor "Professor Kithure Kindiki" who has never published any book, what professor is this????????
ExpertcomicGaming you call him generated prof is not established.
@ ExpertcomicGaming these days you have to distinguish between a JUA KALI professor from that professor you are talking about. This fellow falls under the jua kali category.
A computer generated Professor..Kifaranga kuu cha computer
Prof kithure is not an intellectual as per say how many essays has he written
KINDIKI OUTSMARTED ORENGO 10 NAIL. HAVING LISTENED TO THIS LINK KINDIKI TOOK THE DAY.
I'm not a Kenyan, but I believe that there are good brains out there like Hon Orenga I don't see why there should amendments in the electoral laws at this 11th hour? To conclude the blind person can see that there is something fishy.
kithure ur a PROFESSOR BUT UR NOT WISE
Kithure Kindiki is speaking sense. Cool but straight to the point and quite well informed. Orengo is talking under suspicion.
Kithure Kindiki is a competent lawyer and we know it. He's just knowingly arguing on the wrong side of things and that never goes well. That's why he's catching feelings and not arguing facts.
@Larry Madowo, you should bring Miguna Miguna to your show. He'll bring it down
"....as if she was the classmate of Vasco Da Gama"
Prof Kindiki you killed it!
kudos prof.
Orengo doesn't want Kindiki to say anything...
Watching this video three years later is really refreshing😂! Prof didn't know what was going to befall him; from the humble "Uhuru Kenyatta" who eats in kiosks!
can u say this now again
Take a bow.senior counsel orengo.the best legal mind south of the sahara
Senator Kindiki Kithure, you don't argue with a WALKING CONSTITUTION that is Senior Counsel James Aggrey Orengo.
james orengois aman who kenyans will never forget hiven me hi is aman GOD gave to kenyans no one wil b like orengo he is atrue kenyan hero james if kenyans were true kenyans and sincere b4 God these guy his worthy to b president
When will Orengo grow up and be a gentleman?
The moderator Larry is one very poor star on NTV side although he is much better than others on the KTN which the poorest interviewers in all the big media houses. I fully acknowledge Orengo steller dabate skill and there is not a doubt he is elequent authoritative and well prepared, just what is expected when agreeing to interview on live national TV. Prof. Kindiki not bad either except for the fact that has much less experience in practicing law relative to Orengo who is senior by many years he gas spent much his post law school years in the academia after his law studies to PhD level. The other advantage Orengo has is the ability to spin issues and turn them back to the opponent. In favt I dare say Orengo is the jewell in ODM and NASA and he knows he has completely and tightly captured Raila. He controls what Raila does and says. It couls be seen that Orengo does not generally allow others to speak which he has perfected over the years to his advantage. Even in the court room, it was evident the judges felt intimidated by Orengo allowed him to inject bytes of political doses from time to time. Justice Prof JB is the only one on the bench who wasn't thrown off balance by Orengo. The NASA controversy about participating in the October 17 election is a ploy strategically intended to keep voters away, particularly intended for breaking the morale and the enthusiasm of Jubilee supporters so that do not come out to vote in large numbers. In conclusion, I end with Larry's weak points. He often is not in control of the debaters to ensure fair time allocation. He also does not ensure debaters haveva chance to respond on each issue before he jumps to a mew issue. He needs to structured too and not jump from topic to topic and back and forth and he should learn when to close debatenon each topic with a conclusive statement. He needs JK's help for tips or perhaps an internship stint at BBC or CNN on SKY or MSNBC stations for 6 months while the entire KTN crew needs no less than 1 year training, all from Ben, Sifia, Jackie, Linda, Betty, Wandera, Gitonga etc the list is quite long.
The young man Kithure exhibits violent demeanour despite his questionable submission.
A professor in law being taught law!!!!!!!
kindiki bure kabisa. no wonder Mr. Uhuru is confused in his talk
Kindiki He should stay silence and learn Kenya law from orengo he is at school.
Juma Jay kkkkkk did u go to school? never heard of stay silence looool
you have very poor English my friend..kindly revisit that
You will never win against Orengo in a debate, he is a wizard of arguments...by the way, NASA is ODM and ODM is Orengo, without Orengo ODM or NASA will suffer a heart attack
kidiki get back to school, your arguments are very primitive. book law classes by orengo
It was a good debate. Both sides know how to defend their positions. Score 1 - 1
next time you bring an opponent for orengo,be wise,don't bring academic dwarfs like kindiki......
hahaaa like realy
bigben holdings Ahmed nassir
Am here in 2021😂😂 Orengo nailed kindiki
Is kindiki a genuine professor?coz I don't see him different to moses kuria,William ruto and waititu
Manga Mbalasi idont think ali unua degree
Goooosh!What is the day btn day and 9t?
I love seeing what Jubilee legislators stand on , reason, the separate law from politics and politics and law not associate. Politics are dirty and should never be fused by law, it's water and petroleum never combine.
You shaming yourself kindiki. Uhuru kenyatta is under temporary incumbency his powers are limited.
22nd May 2020 who's smarter now
😅😅😅 guess who's back
Orengo literally wiping the floor with this guy.
I had no idea Orengo could be schooled by Kindiki
because u have no brain
Tribalism is driving you, but perhaps you are imbecile who understands nothing
honourable Orengo teach them no shortcuts pliz the rule of law to b e respected
Oooh kindiki.....poor man. Nowhere to hide. The light is too bright on thieves.
Why is Jubilee not agitating for a free and fair elections?
The problem in Kenya is that we reason in our mother tongue! Our comments are more mother tongue based than factual.
Kindiki is speaking purely truth,,Orengo is just full of pride,,unfortunately pride and profession can never go together..even a simple guy can challenge Orengo easily.
Norman Rutto you Know nothing. Better shut up
Norman Rutto,hello bro why would Orengo's team win when they were dealing with presidential case???? Am from Praia Cape Verde. I know nothing about Kenyan tribes but I really respect Mr Orengo as a lawyer who is very qualified and loyal to his job.
Those supporting Orengo's politicized partisan legal argument should download the Kenyan Constitution and search part 142.
Section 142 says the president takes power from day of swearing in till the next person is sworn in..
Also the same constitution differentiates between 'invalid' & ' null and void' in the case where Maraga 'nullified' the election as if it never took place
Kerr John bure kabisa
You dont understand the constitution. Did u go to school?
The pendulum of soberness and veteran experience is not in an equilibrium mode
I have come to admire the debaters despite their political inclination they are good friends since they understand themselves. Other people spew venom for no good reasons.
Orengo told kindhiki It's not a laughing matter, and the guy almost got mad
IEBC chairman Chebukati had at one time contested for parliamentary seat under ODM. According to Kindiki this is something that Jubilee ought to have made a big deal out of. Because they didn't they take credit. Did the prof know that the DP William Ruto was once in ODM, not to mention a platoon of other ardent Jubilee members?
Larry is enjoying this
Orengo makes kindiki to feel like how i used to feel when am given a chemestry exam,i open page 1 to 8 the only thing i know is defination of Atom...what i mean kindiki and orengo on same bench,kindiki feels empty
Lets the satisfaction of both parties for the better ELECTIONS
Lakini for heavens sake, Kindiki is not a match for Orengo, who chose him for this debate! For 2 hrs the good prof. has said nothing! All along the opposition has been having a superior legal mind than the government!
Go back to school Kindiki
Bu Awena Maamiry get a life, he is a professor
A professor that just got schooled
I think it's orengo who need to go back to school.
His debate is wanting ###
Gabson mash A Fake Professor been schooled by a Lawyer
George Kiringa Kindiki is just a busy body Lol
Is Madowo a moderator or is he holding the brief for Jubilee.
Orengo, like Miguna, is an intellectual bully. His explanation of the law, laced with politics to which Mr. Kindiki refused to go, demonstrates a deep ignorance of the same. Orengo knows that when anything is pronounced null and void, it is as if the particular thing did not exist. But will he accept that fact? Of course not, because he is the mouth of one Raila.
What does it mean??
This is very sad. That they would just change figures out of the blue. Cooking figures. I think Jubilee and Uhuru should be ashamed of themselves. So sad.
Orengo has prove how selfish he is, preaching water and drinking wine. Resign to prove your point Orengo
at Mr.Kithure.......well done.....I support you......
Do u have a brain? uji wewe
for me is question btn professor and senior counsel who is more learned
When a mouse tried to wrestle an elephant!
Lol...did i heard SC telling kindiki your standard of law is very limited? This man Orengo ni moto.
anthony leına kama pasi ya makaa
Do they teach listening skills in Law School? The courtesy of letting the other person speak? Kindiki is plain out of line in this one. Like, let the other party _SPEAK_ then you can respond *after* they've made their point. 😏
kindiki that English sounds different. ukija huku majuu people will think it's a different language not English.
KIFARANGA CHA SHERIA
Kindiki does not insult.. its good ur not politicizing the whole process as orengo wants...what is this with orengo and ruto... too much hate...
The slaps Kindiki got from Orengo. Enough for him to remain silent in the next 5 years..
Enyewe things change, today things are different.
I think Kindiki cannot reason up here... they are the same guys who complain and all these problems they are the ones who have brought.
Why did ntv allow kindiki to come and embarass himself
i am rewatching this in 2022 and just laughing
which criteria will you use to award marks for such a student
I used to have lot of respect for oreshs Academic abilities, but recently he has become more of a warmonger. Well done kindiki for putting up to the Bully!
Larry is on jubilee
Kindiki when in class make sure u listen more n why is tht u dont have a note book to write notes??
THANK GOD ORENGO, RAILA and Co. were defeated 5 years on! Power to President Ruto!
ati its as if she was classmate with Vasco Da Gama lool
haaahaaaa,Orengo is senior and the way Kindiki is arguing,it is true that he was demoted,the only thing i like in Kindiki is that he is a good listener.
This is a one man show, biased to it's roots. He should have invited Orengo to speak alone. Such a waste of time and energy for any unbiased person who wanted to watch and listen to a constructive discussion
Kama hujakula books zote hadi mifupa usijigambe unaweza Hon orengo fundisha kidikki ajuwe pwapwapwaaaa bure kabisa
prof ako sawa.. Orengo insulating to suit his allegations..
i agree orengo is talkin politics
Kindiki did you sign the removal of Issac Hassan