Pay attention at 42.45. The issue of scrutiny. Jubilee has been going around the country talking about scrutiny when there own lawyers opposed the scrutiny in court. When this is pointed out to Kindiki he quickly changes topic.
And they must stop referring to computer generated results as the 'will of Kenyans'. We are not dunderheads and neither were the Supreme Court Judges whom they keep abusing and who are Very Important Custodians of our Constitution.. The Will of Kenyans was for Uhuruto to vacate office. We nulled and we voided them, Period. Btw that Kindiki chats a lot of BS,for a minute i thought he was a diva drug queen.
BK come slowly man Orengo ni kiboko yenu that's why Uhuru nearly overdosed on the liquid stuff. This kindiki hata hajakamilisha 9months he needs to be in an incubator kidogo! But I must say promising little kifaranga unlike Sonko the one who runs around with a camera to proof he is doing some work!
Kithure Kindiki is a very good legal mind. As a practitioner myself, am very impressed. They should invite him more. Orengo decided to confuse politics and the law. Kindiki is understood by only the like minded brilliant minds.
🤣🤣🤣🤣The so called professor is a disgrace to our entire jubilee party.The only person who can challenge orengo is Githu,Otiende,mutula kilonzo junior. Very few lawyers for sure
@ ExpertcomicGaming these days you have to distinguish between a JUA KALI professor from that professor you are talking about. This fellow falls under the jua kali category.
I'm a Jubilee Supporter but Orengo is a hot iron spear shaped by the fire of time, hardened by the waters of layered to shine by the precious metals of law. His bias makes me not like him but the guy is wise and smart, very damn smart. Absolutely utmost respect.
@Clavers Odhiambo, I've been wanting to reply to your comment for the past 5 years. How's your love for Jimmy Orengo going? There was a time I felt like I'd advice you to marry his daughter, it's the shortest route to making Jimmy your close relative. I knew Jimmy's opinion on Uhuru would change with time and so it has. He's now singing Ruto's praises. That's politics for you.
I'm not a Kenyan, but I believe that there are good brains out there like Hon Orenga I don't see why there should amendments in the electoral laws at this 11th hour? To conclude the blind person can see that there is something fishy.
Kithure Kindiki is a competent lawyer and we know it. He's just knowingly arguing on the wrong side of things and that never goes well. That's why he's catching feelings and not arguing facts.
The moderator Larry is one very poor star on NTV side although he is much better than others on the KTN which the poorest interviewers in all the big media houses. I fully acknowledge Orengo steller dabate skill and there is not a doubt he is elequent authoritative and well prepared, just what is expected when agreeing to interview on live national TV. Prof. Kindiki not bad either except for the fact that has much less experience in practicing law relative to Orengo who is senior by many years he gas spent much his post law school years in the academia after his law studies to PhD level. The other advantage Orengo has is the ability to spin issues and turn them back to the opponent. In favt I dare say Orengo is the jewell in ODM and NASA and he knows he has completely and tightly captured Raila. He controls what Raila does and says. It couls be seen that Orengo does not generally allow others to speak which he has perfected over the years to his advantage. Even in the court room, it was evident the judges felt intimidated by Orengo allowed him to inject bytes of political doses from time to time. Justice Prof JB is the only one on the bench who wasn't thrown off balance by Orengo. The NASA controversy about participating in the October 17 election is a ploy strategically intended to keep voters away, particularly intended for breaking the morale and the enthusiasm of Jubilee supporters so that do not come out to vote in large numbers. In conclusion, I end with Larry's weak points. He often is not in control of the debaters to ensure fair time allocation. He also does not ensure debaters haveva chance to respond on each issue before he jumps to a mew issue. He needs to structured too and not jump from topic to topic and back and forth and he should learn when to close debatenon each topic with a conclusive statement. He needs JK's help for tips or perhaps an internship stint at BBC or CNN on SKY or MSNBC stations for 6 months while the entire KTN crew needs no less than 1 year training, all from Ben, Sifia, Jackie, Linda, Betty, Wandera, Gitonga etc the list is quite long.
Watching this video three years later is really refreshing😂! Prof didn't know what was going to befall him; from the humble "Uhuru Kenyatta" who eats in kiosks!
You will never win against Orengo in a debate, he is a wizard of arguments...by the way, NASA is ODM and ODM is Orengo, without Orengo ODM or NASA will suffer a heart attack
james orengois aman who kenyans will never forget hiven me hi is aman GOD gave to kenyans no one wil b like orengo he is atrue kenyan hero james if kenyans were true kenyans and sincere b4 God these guy his worthy to b president
I love seeing what Jubilee legislators stand on , reason, the separate law from politics and politics and law not associate. Politics are dirty and should never be fused by law, it's water and petroleum never combine.
Orengo makes kindiki to feel like how i used to feel when am given a chemestry exam,i open page 1 to 8 the only thing i know is defination of Atom...what i mean kindiki and orengo on same bench,kindiki feels empty
This is very sad. That they would just change figures out of the blue. Cooking figures. I think Jubilee and Uhuru should be ashamed of themselves. So sad.
Those supporting Orengo's politicized partisan legal argument should download the Kenyan Constitution and search part 142. Section 142 says the president takes power from day of swearing in till the next person is sworn in.. Also the same constitution differentiates between 'invalid' & ' null and void' in the case where Maraga 'nullified' the election as if it never took place
Lakini for heavens sake, Kindiki is not a match for Orengo, who chose him for this debate! For 2 hrs the good prof. has said nothing! All along the opposition has been having a superior legal mind than the government!
Orengo, like Miguna, is an intellectual bully. His explanation of the law, laced with politics to which Mr. Kindiki refused to go, demonstrates a deep ignorance of the same. Orengo knows that when anything is pronounced null and void, it is as if the particular thing did not exist. But will he accept that fact? Of course not, because he is the mouth of one Raila.
I have come to admire the debaters despite their political inclination they are good friends since they understand themselves. Other people spew venom for no good reasons.
IEBC chairman Chebukati had at one time contested for parliamentary seat under ODM. According to Kindiki this is something that Jubilee ought to have made a big deal out of. Because they didn't they take credit. Did the prof know that the DP William Ruto was once in ODM, not to mention a platoon of other ardent Jubilee members?
Do they teach listening skills in Law School? The courtesy of letting the other person speak? Kindiki is plain out of line in this one. Like, let the other party _SPEAK_ then you can respond *after* they've made their point. 😏
Kindiki is speaking purely truth,,Orengo is just full of pride,,unfortunately pride and profession can never go together..even a simple guy can challenge Orengo easily.
Norman Rutto,hello bro why would Orengo's team win when they were dealing with presidential case???? Am from Praia Cape Verde. I know nothing about Kenyan tribes but I really respect Mr Orengo as a lawyer who is very qualified and loyal to his job.
orengo is bossing jiz.. he lacks manners.. a defeated guy would do anything to irritate.. orengo lacks character.. insult me coz you are tooo blind to accept
purity wairimu no I will never insult you but see your life. Are you a lawyer NO. Is Orengo a lawyer yes!!!! Purity understand your position these emotional debates by Jubilee are boring
Chrispinus Nyongesa so those who are learned in kenya are fool infront of you,? Sorry for that take your time kwanza na umalize kazi yako kabla mwarabu aingie kuma wewe
kindiki if I had a case and you the last lawyer left to help, I will defend myself or call larry. my God, how are you even a godamn lawyer, shame shame
haaahaaaa,Orengo is senior and the way Kindiki is arguing,it is true that he was demoted,the only thing i like in Kindiki is that he is a good listener.
Pay attention at 42.45. The issue of scrutiny. Jubilee has been going around the country talking about scrutiny when there own lawyers opposed the scrutiny in court. When this is pointed out to Kindiki he quickly changes topic.
Jubilee or Nasa who's telling the truth ' as in truth meter' let's not attack individuals.. Water downing a conversation.
This was more than an excellent performance by Orengo. Prof. was humbled. For fear that it might be brought down, I'll download it.
For Heaven's sake Lari how can you bring Kindiki n ORENGO??, SENATOR ORENGO ni same na Ocampo, Kindiki is a computer Generated leader,!!,TIBIIIM
Kithure Kindiki dismantling James Orengo's deceptions in a very calm and intelligent manner.
U wish hahahaha
Says a block head
Sitting with some people in a debate is pain!
A pain in the A*****.
Orengo is trying to irritate Kindiki. Kindiki is temperamental and orengo is using this to his benefit....
He should leave his temper at home. Let him come to debates while he is sober.
Pls next time bring a worthy opponent for Orengo this thing called kindiki hajaiva bado needs to be in an incubator premature kifaranga!
Bonga Sasa .Exactly i agree with you,this thing doesn't not no the law.kindiki you're talking stupid .
Bonga Sasa NASA pple bondo direct kindiki in some parts speak truth,even da person u cal orengo has contradictions in some parts
And they must stop referring to computer generated results as the 'will of Kenyans'. We are not dunderheads and neither were the Supreme Court Judges whom they keep abusing and who are Very Important Custodians of our Constitution.. The Will of Kenyans was for Uhuruto to vacate office. We nulled and we voided them, Period. Btw that Kindiki chats a lot of BS,for a minute i thought he was a diva drug queen.
Bonga Sasa he's not worth the salt orengo doesn't what it takes that's why we give him the boys to deal with him.
BK come slowly man Orengo ni kiboko yenu that's why Uhuru nearly overdosed on the liquid stuff. This kindiki hata hajakamilisha 9months he needs to be in an incubator kidogo! But I must say promising little kifaranga unlike Sonko the one who runs around with a camera to proof he is doing some work!
Kindiki you need some Law Classes. Being majority weep/leader does not mean you're special. BURUKENGE YA MWAKA= COMPUTER GENERATED CHICKEN
My senator Orengo Simba and my Mp Otiende Amolo bright minds Kindiki you ware there with somebody who is not of your levol
Kithure Kindiki is a very good legal mind. As a practitioner myself, am very impressed. They should invite him more. Orengo decided to confuse politics and the law. Kindiki is understood by only the like minded brilliant minds.
🤣🤣🤣🤣The so called professor is a disgrace to our entire jubilee party.The only person who can challenge orengo is Githu,Otiende,mutula kilonzo junior. Very few lawyers for sure
kindiki is being schooled here for free, he needed to bring pen and paper to take notes
liwe liwalo ha ha 😂
liwe liwalo you tew are being schooled
James Orengo is just too smart for Africa let alone Kenya.
haha Captain!
Very true captain Orengo is very smart. Kindiki on the other hand, I see why Murkomen beat him for the Majority Senate Leader
This debate will never go old, 😇👆🏼this man orengo, genius 👏
So ORENGO has been nothing but HOT AIR all these years!!
A professor "Professor Kithure Kindiki" who has never published any book, what professor is this????????
ExpertcomicGaming you call him generated prof is not established.
@ ExpertcomicGaming these days you have to distinguish between a JUA KALI professor from that professor you are talking about. This fellow falls under the jua kali category.
A computer generated Professor..Kifaranga kuu cha computer
Prof kithure is not an intellectual as per say how many essays has he written
I'm a Jubilee Supporter but Orengo is a hot iron spear shaped by the fire of time, hardened by the waters of layered to shine by the precious metals of law. His bias makes me not like him but the guy is wise and smart, very damn smart. Absolutely utmost respect.
Ja siaya... I respect your brains sir.
HOW DID KINDIKI GET A DEGREE? THIS IS AN EMBARASSEMENT. HOW IS HE A LEADER?
KenyaNu Era money talks some 300k and you can get aphd degree this is kenya
🐵+NANCY Pretty 33ee🐗 🐗🐗
kindiki is a noise maker with no points
what is wrong with these jubilee fruternity they go to medias to a shame their leaders
Kindiki...Milly Odhiambo is still your SENIOR
LOL you were a busy body there😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Orengo has killed it!!! RIP Kindiki🙏
Even Larry Madowo looks more of a law professional than Kindiki.
awuoro what you brought to Orengo.
George Otieno ..LOL. WORD .!!
i love Orengo from the bottom of my heart man, sometimes I wish we were blood relatives just for the sake of it lol
@Clavers Odhiambo, I've been wanting to reply to your comment for the past 5 years. How's your love for Jimmy Orengo going? There was a time I felt like I'd advice you to marry his daughter, it's the shortest route to making Jimmy your close relative. I knew Jimmy's opinion on Uhuru would change with time and so it has. He's now singing Ruto's praises. That's politics for you.
KINDIKI OUTSMARTED ORENGO 10 NAIL. HAVING LISTENED TO THIS LINK KINDIKI TOOK THE DAY.
hahaha good answer kindiki consultation is not a duty is a right
Waaaat... Remove that tharaka nithi chick... He's agueing with no point... He's not worth Hon Orengo statue
kithure ur a PROFESSOR BUT UR NOT WISE
kudos prof.
Prof kindiki,I respect you because of your respect to the walking constitution orengo
looks like nobody can be able to debate orengo in Kenya
Ruth Nduati he's damn foolish.
A professor in law being taught law!!!!!!!
kidiki get back to school, your arguments are very primitive. book law classes by orengo
❤
Mr.Orengo i salute you......indeed you arr understood better than the jubilee mole who is not a professor that cannot be classified under any category
@Larry Madowo, you should bring Miguna Miguna to your show. He'll bring it down
Kithure Kindiki is speaking sense. Cool but straight to the point and quite well informed. Orengo is talking under suspicion.
Orengo doesn't want Kindiki to say anything...
I'm not a Kenyan, but I believe that there are good brains out there like Hon Orenga I don't see why there should amendments in the electoral laws at this 11th hour? To conclude the blind person can see that there is something fishy.
22nd May 2020 who's smarter now
😅😅😅 guess who's back
Take a bow.senior counsel orengo.the best legal mind south of the sahara
Kithure Kindiki is a competent lawyer and we know it. He's just knowingly arguing on the wrong side of things and that never goes well. That's why he's catching feelings and not arguing facts.
You shaming yourself kindiki. Uhuru kenyatta is under temporary incumbency his powers are limited.
next time you bring an opponent for orengo,be wise,don't bring academic dwarfs like kindiki......
hahaaa like realy
bigben holdings Ahmed nassir
"....as if she was the classmate of Vasco Da Gama"
Prof Kindiki you killed it!
The moderator Larry is one very poor star on NTV side although he is much better than others on the KTN which the poorest interviewers in all the big media houses. I fully acknowledge Orengo steller dabate skill and there is not a doubt he is elequent authoritative and well prepared, just what is expected when agreeing to interview on live national TV. Prof. Kindiki not bad either except for the fact that has much less experience in practicing law relative to Orengo who is senior by many years he gas spent much his post law school years in the academia after his law studies to PhD level. The other advantage Orengo has is the ability to spin issues and turn them back to the opponent. In favt I dare say Orengo is the jewell in ODM and NASA and he knows he has completely and tightly captured Raila. He controls what Raila does and says. It couls be seen that Orengo does not generally allow others to speak which he has perfected over the years to his advantage. Even in the court room, it was evident the judges felt intimidated by Orengo allowed him to inject bytes of political doses from time to time. Justice Prof JB is the only one on the bench who wasn't thrown off balance by Orengo. The NASA controversy about participating in the October 17 election is a ploy strategically intended to keep voters away, particularly intended for breaking the morale and the enthusiasm of Jubilee supporters so that do not come out to vote in large numbers. In conclusion, I end with Larry's weak points. He often is not in control of the debaters to ensure fair time allocation. He also does not ensure debaters haveva chance to respond on each issue before he jumps to a mew issue. He needs to structured too and not jump from topic to topic and back and forth and he should learn when to close debatenon each topic with a conclusive statement. He needs JK's help for tips or perhaps an internship stint at BBC or CNN on SKY or MSNBC stations for 6 months while the entire KTN crew needs no less than 1 year training, all from Ben, Sifia, Jackie, Linda, Betty, Wandera, Gitonga etc the list is quite long.
Watching this video three years later is really refreshing😂! Prof didn't know what was going to befall him; from the humble "Uhuru Kenyatta" who eats in kiosks!
can u say this now again
kindiki bure kabisa. no wonder Mr. Uhuru is confused in his talk
Is kindiki a genuine professor?coz I don't see him different to moses kuria,William ruto and waititu
Manga Mbalasi idont think ali unua degree
Goooosh!What is the day btn day and 9t?
You will never win against Orengo in a debate, he is a wizard of arguments...by the way, NASA is ODM and ODM is Orengo, without Orengo ODM or NASA will suffer a heart attack
james orengois aman who kenyans will never forget hiven me hi is aman GOD gave to kenyans no one wil b like orengo he is atrue kenyan hero james if kenyans were true kenyans and sincere b4 God these guy his worthy to b president
When will Orengo grow up and be a gentleman?
Am here in 2021😂😂 Orengo nailed kindiki
When a mouse tried to wrestle an elephant!
I had no idea Orengo could be schooled by Kindiki
because u have no brain
Tribalism is driving you, but perhaps you are imbecile who understands nothing
Senator Kindiki Kithure, you don't argue with a WALKING CONSTITUTION that is Senior Counsel James Aggrey Orengo.
It was a good debate. Both sides know how to defend their positions. Score 1 - 1
I love seeing what Jubilee legislators stand on , reason, the separate law from politics and politics and law not associate. Politics are dirty and should never be fused by law, it's water and petroleum never combine.
Lets the satisfaction of both parties for the better ELECTIONS
The young man Kithure exhibits violent demeanour despite his questionable submission.
The pendulum of soberness and veteran experience is not in an equilibrium mode
Kindiki He should stay silence and learn Kenya law from orengo he is at school.
Juma Jay kkkkkk did u go to school? never heard of stay silence looool
you have very poor English my friend..kindly revisit that
Orengo makes kindiki to feel like how i used to feel when am given a chemestry exam,i open page 1 to 8 the only thing i know is defination of Atom...what i mean kindiki and orengo on same bench,kindiki feels empty
Oooh kindiki.....poor man. Nowhere to hide. The light is too bright on thieves.
This is very sad. That they would just change figures out of the blue. Cooking figures. I think Jubilee and Uhuru should be ashamed of themselves. So sad.
Go back to school Kindiki
Bu Awena Maamiry get a life, he is a professor
A professor that just got schooled
I think it's orengo who need to go back to school.
His debate is wanting ###
Gabson mash A Fake Professor been schooled by a Lawyer
George Kiringa Kindiki is just a busy body Lol
honourable Orengo teach them no shortcuts pliz the rule of law to b e respected
Those supporting Orengo's politicized partisan legal argument should download the Kenyan Constitution and search part 142.
Section 142 says the president takes power from day of swearing in till the next person is sworn in..
Also the same constitution differentiates between 'invalid' & ' null and void' in the case where Maraga 'nullified' the election as if it never took place
Kerr John bure kabisa
You dont understand the constitution. Did u go to school?
Lakini for heavens sake, Kindiki is not a match for Orengo, who chose him for this debate! For 2 hrs the good prof. has said nothing! All along the opposition has been having a superior legal mind than the government!
i am rewatching this in 2022 and just laughing
Larry is enjoying this
Orengo, like Miguna, is an intellectual bully. His explanation of the law, laced with politics to which Mr. Kindiki refused to go, demonstrates a deep ignorance of the same. Orengo knows that when anything is pronounced null and void, it is as if the particular thing did not exist. But will he accept that fact? Of course not, because he is the mouth of one Raila.
What does it mean??
Orengo literally wiping the floor with this guy.
The problem in Kenya is that we reason in our mother tongue! Our comments are more mother tongue based than factual.
ati its as if she was classmate with Vasco Da Gama lool
I have come to admire the debaters despite their political inclination they are good friends since they understand themselves. Other people spew venom for no good reasons.
Enyewe things change, today things are different.
IEBC chairman Chebukati had at one time contested for parliamentary seat under ODM. According to Kindiki this is something that Jubilee ought to have made a big deal out of. Because they didn't they take credit. Did the prof know that the DP William Ruto was once in ODM, not to mention a platoon of other ardent Jubilee members?
Orengo has prove how selfish he is, preaching water and drinking wine. Resign to prove your point Orengo
Kama hujakula books zote hadi mifupa usijigambe unaweza Hon orengo fundisha kidikki ajuwe pwapwapwaaaa bure kabisa
Why is Jubilee not agitating for a free and fair elections?
Is Madowo a moderator or is he holding the brief for Jubilee.
at Mr.Kithure.......well done.....I support you......
Do u have a brain? uji wewe
for me is question btn professor and senior counsel who is more learned
Do they teach listening skills in Law School? The courtesy of letting the other person speak? Kindiki is plain out of line in this one. Like, let the other party _SPEAK_ then you can respond *after* they've made their point. 😏
Kindiki does not insult.. its good ur not politicizing the whole process as orengo wants...what is this with orengo and ruto... too much hate...
Kindiki is speaking purely truth,,Orengo is just full of pride,,unfortunately pride and profession can never go together..even a simple guy can challenge Orengo easily.
Norman Rutto you Know nothing. Better shut up
Norman Rutto,hello bro why would Orengo's team win when they were dealing with presidential case???? Am from Praia Cape Verde. I know nothing about Kenyan tribes but I really respect Mr Orengo as a lawyer who is very qualified and loyal to his job.
jubilee cannot be trusted..sisi nasa tunataka kwetu..they can't debete nasa in real issues..only kanu jubilee moles
orengo is bossing jiz.. he lacks manners.. a defeated guy would do anything to irritate.. orengo lacks character.. insult me coz you are tooo blind to accept
purity wairimu no I will never insult you but see your life. Are you a lawyer NO. Is Orengo a lawyer yes!!!! Purity understand your position these emotional debates by Jubilee are boring
Why did ntv allow kindiki to come and embarass himself
I think Kindiki cannot reason up here... they are the same guys who complain and all these problems they are the ones who have brought.
Orengo told kindhiki It's not a laughing matter, and the guy almost got mad
Kumbe kindiki is a fool
Chrispinus Nyongesa so those who are learned in kenya are fool infront of you,? Sorry for that take your time kwanza na umalize kazi yako kabla mwarabu aingie kuma wewe
Chrispinus Nyongesa kama wewe
kindiki that English sounds different. ukija huku majuu people will think it's a different language not English.
KIFARANGA CHA SHERIA
Why did you guys take too long to upload the video...
I feel like you have edited it
i agree orengo is talkin politics
kindiki if I had a case and you the last lawyer left to help, I will defend myself or call larry. my God, how are you even a godamn lawyer, shame shame
This boy hajaiva kisheria na kisiasa, anaona ni kama mpira mtaani.
This debate is the sweetest I have ever listened to.
I as a person who was following the court case very close, I wonder what this kiri is saying.
haaahaaaa,Orengo is senior and the way Kindiki is arguing,it is true that he was demoted,the only thing i like in Kindiki is that he is a good listener.
Lol...did i heard SC telling kindiki your standard of law is very limited? This man Orengo ni moto.
anthony leına kama pasi ya makaa
THANK GOD ORENGO, RAILA and Co. were defeated 5 years on! Power to President Ruto!
This was so interesting...
Orengo senior advocate 192017..lol
raira tunakujua ukisema hivo unawabia watoke
Who is raira?what is that?
You can't even spell RAILA?