Is LOUIS The PROBLEM?! | Interview With The Vampire S2 (SPOILER Review)
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- Jess and Alvin wrap their heads around wtf just happened in season 2 of Interview With The Vampire!!!
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If Lestat could have saved Claudia, I think he would have. Claudia would never have forgiven him if he could not save her companion. It just sucks they both died.
Its my time to shine as the #1 louis defender!
I really dont think any one person is the "problem" in the show, they all hurt eachother in different ways. Lestatnwas constantly hurting louis immensely but louis let down claudia over and over again. Armand was plainly taking advantage of louis but he also spent several hundred years being abused by other people.
I also think louis was passively suicidal for almost his entire life. Him pleading with lestat for example is (imo) not manipulative the way other people seem to think it is. Hes not trying to threaten anyone hes begging for somebody to give him a reason to live.
We agree, there isn’t one sole person who’s the problem. Everyone is so complex and messy to different degrees!
@@TheMostPotatoPodcast lol, if you are messy then you are a problem...so everyone basically was a problem...but some more than others...Lestat wanted everything right now which was a major issue for that SELFISH MONSTA LESTAT...he didn't give Louis a chance to adjust to his vampirism...his family would have eventually passed away which takes time...he would have still lived for centuries maybe even millenniums without his family...and may come to enjoy what the dark gift would have bestowed upon him...even walking in the sunlight after another 4 or 5 centuries (that would have been dope)....
38:50 You got Madeleine's story wrong. She's not Jewish. During the occupation, Madeleine slept with a German soldier in exchange for food and other necessities. When the war ended, women like her were seen as traitors. They were dragged through the streets, their heads shaved as a sign of shame (this happened in real life).
@@schelleyy3836 thanks for the correction! 🙏🏼
Yeah, they were referred to as "horizontal collaborators".
About Armand motivation…there’s a video essay on TH-cam called “exploring the complexity of interview with the Vampire “ from creator “Serieable” that explains it better than I could ever. I’ve read 6 of the book and I’ve always find Armand character difficult to grasp and I love Armand tv version way more than the book version… in the essay Serieable says that Armand motivation comes from how trauma and eternal life have shaped his concept of time and interpersonal relationships, it really interesting video, I always recommend it because it made me understand Armand better after all these years. ❤
That’s awesome, thanks for the recommendation!! 😄
Louis “The lies I tell myself about myself” de Pointe du Lac is still my precious. He’s a hot mess just like the rest.
@@glittermethis LMAO 😂
Louis May be a hot mess, but he doesn't go out of his way to prey upon people... inside or outside of his circle....he leaves people that don't bother him the hell alone
@@KevinLowe-j5v I beg to differ, but then I know book Louis. He’s the most predatory of them all. The show hasn’t finished establishing Louis’ story arc, but they’ve shown a few examples of how vicious he can be when he kills. He loves it, and that’s the reason he clings to his humanity.
@@glittermethis but he's not killing now!!! When he does, I'll address it... you are now bringing into play hating him, FOR FUTURE ACT'S???!!!!... YOU'RE GOING MINORITY REPORT ON HIM NOW???!! WOWWWWW...where was this hatred with Lestat and Armand???
@@KevinLowe-j5v I didn’t say anything about hate. And, Louis has killed plenty in the show. I’m not going back & forth with you about whether or not those kills were justified. I don’t care. They are vampires and they can kill whoever they want whenever they want as far as I’m concerned.
In case you missed it, I also said that I know book Louis, and that show Louis’ story arc is still being established. There are 13 books of source material that this show is pulling from, so calm down.
Damn you guys are blaming Santiago for Claudia's bird play when it was all Armand, he was the leader of the coven and he never really liked Claudia
While Armand was leader he wasn’t really LEADING. He was on autopilot with the coven while falling for Louis. Santiago actively sought for control of the theater. I think Armand ultimately is at fault as leader but he’s not the only guilty one.
@@TheMostPotatoPodcast I disagree actually, Armand was and always has been on top of everything from the beginning. Santiago can snipe but Armand has the ability to completely control Santiago who is just a fledgling compared to Armand. He let things play out at the coven, just to hedge his bets but no, he could have put a stop to everything immediately and the plays were all him.
@@anarudiaz yup. there are multiple instances where armand clearly is far more powerful than santiago and the coven. so much of him in paris is an act in order to appear "weaker" when in reality he's the most powerful vampire in that entire coven and he is the more powerful one in his dynamic with louis. episode 5 HITS because it's finally armand not putting on an act and it's him fully unmasked.
i think some viewers take him far too much at his word especially the way he acts with louis when he's basically gaslight and gatekeep in vampire form. why would the show showcase multiple scenes where he's as powerful as he is if we're supposed to believe he had zero control over what the coven was doing. it's why i'm excited to see him in season 3 when the mask is fully off and he's fully who he is. the reason he and louis could never work is because he was never fully himself with louis.
@@haje7096 yes, Armand rightly knew Louis probably wouldn’t want to stay with him if Louis knew the true extent of his power and “quirks.” I agree about season 3, full out Gremlin Armand is what saved his character for me, he’s the kind of demented I love to see.
Interesting discussion guys! Even if you now hate all the remaining characters, I hope you'll still watch season 3!
A few points:
- I don't think Louis was trying to kill himself for attention. He was in such a low point after Claudia's death, he was stuck with Armand only to spite Lestat, basically a drug addict - I don't think he ever threatened to kill himself to manipulate anyone, he's just genuinely dealing with depression and suicidal ideation for majority of his life. This was simply the only time he actually attempted.
- I don't believe for a second that Louis asked Armand to erase the memories of SF. Armand is an established liar by that point and Mr. I-Keep-The-Stones-In-My-Feet, who cries because he genuinely wants to remember... that seems widely out of character for him.
@@ingliszkau we don’t hate the characters, we just don’t TRUST them 😂 We will definitely tune in for season 3! Great observations too!
I also think Armand lied about Louis asking him to erase the memories of san Francisco
@@lenakataeva7525 you know, I’ve been thinking the same thing lately! (Alvin)
I agree with Jess about Louis and Armand acting cutesy on the couch. It did feel forced, but I went into the show biased so I’m glad she picked up on it without background already lol.
Also, I’m not sure what the intention is because they never say but it’s my opinion that Claudia was doomed from the beginning. I think they let her join the coven just to make it easier for them and because they like to play games but I’m convinced they knew about Lestat off jump. You can see in ep1 that Louis and Claudia can’t even lie and convince humans. There’s no way the coven fell for their Bruce cover story for a sec.
Also it’s funny you say Santiago would mentally break Claudia down when in the actual book, it was Armand constantly getting into Claudia’s head so she would end herself. It’s very insightful of Alvin to say but it wasn’t Santiago. You guys still kind of buy into Armand’s helpless facade which is great because it shows how dangerous Armand is.
Also Madeleine isn’t Jewish, she’s a French person who slept with a Nazi. That’s why they shaved her head, that was a punishment women received after the war for “collaborating” with Nazi’s. This is why Madeleine said that if turning her into a Vampire makes her a monster, then they’re only confirming what she already is.
And I think what Alvin said is true about Louis being tired of Claudia (to a small degree). To me it was the fact that Dreamstat said “speaking of mistakes” when Claudia comes into the room. Dreamstat is just Louis’ opinions that he’s too afraid to say himself. That’s why he uses an imaginary Lestat.
I think a lot of Armand’s motivation is down to the fact that he’s upset for being rejected by both Lestat and Louis. Like rejection sensitivity to a sociopathic level 😂. Because yea Louis is obsessed with Lestat but so is Armand. I am fully convinced that if Lestat told Armand he wants to be companions with him, Armand will 100% yes. Even after all this.
Thanks for the video! You guys accompanied me while I was doing my chores lol. Also, you absolutely have to watch the S3 trailer, I can imagine Jess’ reaction
Quick to say, I don’t think it was a 180 for Louis to go to Lestat. I think he always wanted to but knew he couldn’t possibly do it bc of Lestat’s role in the trial. Once he realized that Lestat was actually not willing in that, he was like “bet, nothings holding me back now.”
Also, I really don’t think Louis asked Armand to erase his memory of SF. Claudia said “we keep the damage to remember the damage.” And that’s all the 3 of those characters have always done.
As for what Lestat could or couldn’t do, if you rewatch the episode you can see Lestat is swaying like he’s being mind-controlled. He also has bruises on his hands and wrists so… could he have saved Claudia? Lol
@@anarudiaz Really interesting observations! Thanks for the clarification on Madeleine’s backstory! We did see the S3 teaser a few weeks back, Jess is still raving about it 😆
Great review, loved listening to your commentary. And I agree, Daniel is a bit annoying but he's growing on me lol.
I just finished the story. My answer is: nobody is innocent in this story. Lestat was horrible to Louis but he apologized. Armand on the other hand is a wolf in sheep's clothing. At least we know Lestat is a wolf and we know how to keep him fed.
Okay.... nobody is innocent.... so you're saying everyone is guilty!!!! Okay... you've spoken about Lestat, you've spoken about Armand.... But you haven't spoken about Louis!!!! Is he guilty without mentioning his story too(does he not get a say???... he's just guilty, before even being?)... Louis doesn't have a right to have a say????
@@KevinLowe-j5v whoa relax, yes Louis is guilty of being complicit
@@Alexander-wq7qo I praise you for this (I know it hurt)... I just wonder....is Lestat ever guilty.... he's so pristine and adorable 😍😍 😍😍😍... crickets....ok....is the only one we want to talk about when it comes to bad behavior Louis... okay
Louis is seriously dangerous! His kills are always savage. He ripped the jaw off a guy in the first series. That's what Lestat saw in him. If Louis had really accepted being a vampire from the start, they would've been the wildest. They love each other too much! 😁
@@randomaccount2890 even the Talamasca said, it’s Louis you should be afraid of! 😭 Good points!
The reason lestat didn't know about vampire gifts when he first met armand is because his maker magnus never told him about anything from the rules to powers before he died remember in season 1 he said his maker told him nothing i think he wanted lestat to learn the same way he did on his own
He has shitty tendencies especially towards Claudia but he's not the full problem
Lestat does love Louis the reason he made claudia into a vampire was because of his fear of being abandoned but i do believe he did care about claudia they were just too similar to each other he just could only save one he wasn't powerful enough to protect both Louis is the most human out of all the vampires in the vampire chronicles which is why both armand and lestat love about him
Louis IS the problem, the signs of danger are always clear as day and Louis ISN’T oblivious to them, he just believes he’ll be immune in some way or spared the worst of it, which he is, regardless to the consequences others may have to face. From manipulating Lestat isn’t making Claudia (this was against the law), not burning Lestat, completely ignoring Claudia’s warning about Armand. Louis is selfish af and hella adept at becoming a victim.
Just caught on to the fact that Armand was trafficked and Louis was an ex- pimp/ trafficker.
@@shilohscott oh damn you right!😱
1:04:04 Lestat did not pull Louis out of the coffin, Armand did. All Lestat did was influence the audience to change the punishment.
No he’s not. His abusive boyfriends are the problem.
They are all abusives. No vampire in the show is a good person, that doesnt mean you cant dislike someone or have a favorite. I love those problematic fictional (fictional being the key word) supernatural creatures :3
Just this title "Is Louis the problem???? Just that alone, makes me get"victim-shaming vibes " so it's the abused person's fault... so predator's are okay. . so if you get cheated on,get beaten halfway to death... and you get left in a box to die(all of which are against your will). .. and you were lied to, and mislead... it's your fault???!!! And in both those relationships, Louis did leave them... BUT I GUESS HE WAS WRONG FOR THAT TOO!!!! Dammmm... the nerve of him for living!!!!!!
Did you watch the episode? That’s not what we were saying at all 😅
@@TheMostPotatoPodcast I said the title(why did you make that the main title if you didn't feel that way???).... did you not hear what I was saying... but what little I did hear of your podcast... that only Claudia was good (who though I loved her she was about herself and she was about her own satisfaction. is a killer with glee, and she was about what she wants,let's not forget)..Louis would always sacrifice his happiness for her sake and for the sake of others he cared about)and as for Armand...and Lestat ....(unlike Louis, and Claudia at the end)neither one of them really gave a care about anyone or anything other than their needs...at least Louis cared about Claudia and originally his family,who did they(Armand and Lestat)care about other than themselves..or put themselves out for..(at least Claudia did at the end)... but I get it... the nerve of Louis trying to get by... Louis didn't want to be involved with these vampires... but he sacrificed his own happiness for her sake (the nerve of him trying to be a good father( if anything---he was being over-indulgant)bad no good Louis)
@@KevinLowe-j5v sounds like you should watch the entire video lol