For fans of John Longstreth, I recommend you check out the album THETA on our channel, John did a killer job behind the kit. Sorry for the shameless plug lol \m/
What a great discussion! A big vibe in this video is: Extreme metal drumming is no place for SNOBS. At every show I have played all us drummers support each other, we don't care about "cheating", triggers, mistakes, odd or poor techniques, unaurthodox approaches etc... . We just want to have a good time and learn from each other. We all know we have a really hard job and we don't want to make it even harder by being dicks !
I would love to see more of these types of videos. You know it’s a good conversation when you want to interject/contribute, but then remember no one is actually here. Haha
Hey I really enjoyed this video and discussion. I would have never of thought Origin and Marduk would be touring together but it's very awesome to have both combined together. Both are awesome! Enjoyed their opinions and knowledge! Thanks!
I can't stress how much I love the backyard-BBQ-sunshine-and-blastbeats style interview/podcast. This is rad as fuck. Great hearing John, Simon and yourself chat about what just works.
Didn’t think I would make it through this whole thing, but it was such a great conversation that it did not feel long and I’m so glad I did listen to the whole thing. Also great to hear epic drummers be so down to earth.
Thank you so much for this awesome episode!✌ Is there a possibility to do a podcast with the sound technicians? I think that could be interesting to hear from there point of view👋
The podcast was really insightful! A question regarding your bass drum angle with regard to your beater angle- Does the beater strike the base drum head at 90/95 degrees or more? Any help would be really appreciated! :)
You want the beater head to hit the bass drum flat, or if its round as much surface contact as possible and you can adjust the beater arm/rod to whatever angle or height you want to accomplish that, if it feels comfortable. I have a variety of beaters but I try to make it so they contact the drum at or just after 90 degrees.
Great video, thanks for this! Cool to see you just chillin, grillin, and shootin the shit. I think there needs to be an entirely separate video just on the discussion of playing live and soundguys. I've all but quit going to DM/BM shows unless I know the band and can stand on the side of the stage to hear the drums acoustically. Otherwise, every show the kicks sound like a typewriter and the snare is completely lost in the mix until there's a "slayer beat". I haven't had the opportunity to see Simon play live since Marduk rarely comes stateside and I don't think I've ever seen John play where I haven't been on the side of the stage. But most recently, the only drummer I've seen where their entire kit could be heard flawlessly was Jamie St. Merat. I know Ulcerate isn't playing the tempos of Origin and Marduk but I think it's a testament to the consistency of his hits, or the fact that he just has a REALLY fucking good soundguy haha.
This is so cool Marthyn! Its like a behind the scenes in the most casual environment ever. Still, I have to say, John is way too hard on himself. He was doing those Meinl videos and having a great time and everyone in the comments was loving it. Its a shame because there are very few drummers in the world at your three's level and due to a few random dbags the rest of us get screwed out of seeing you guys do your thing. Like take Simon, he has probably the best drum playthrough of all time on his channel, his new Demonstealer song (that was done in one take I might add) but he posts very infrequently. These guys are established but today if you want to break into the metal drumming scene you're going to have to be El Estepario - very good at drumming and VERY social media savvy. That's just how it is, I mean look at where we are right now. I wish you guys the best of luck and thanks for being inspirations to the rest of us.
"These guys are established but today if you want to break into the metal drumming scene you're going to have to be El Estepario - very good at drumming and VERY social media savvy." Sure social media is a way to promote yourself, but if you're a great player and people know about you (because you toured and/or you did some studio sessions for instance), then you will get hired even if you have no social media presence. All the great drummers in bands in my scene have zero social media presence and they do great.
Thank you for this video!!! I feel motivated!!! 😎 In the last year I have tought that my drumming was almost a waste of time, cause it seems no one care about live HONEST drum video 😅 I Really like to share real thing and I would like to see this trend back again! 😊 live feeling is good!!! Ok, now you are free to say amen 🤣
"In the last year I have tought that my drumming was almost a waste of time, cause it seems no one care about live HONEST drum video" Do you play for others or do you play because you enjoy it ? :) NB : some people (like me) prefer live honest drum videos.
@@djabthrash My thought comes from a specific part of the interview, When they talk about drummers who shares fake video and then they are not able to play their part live 😅 Anyway, I do not play only for myself but for a band and even to inspire someone else to do it!!! To me Art is something that should be exposed and if you play music some feedback are very useful to grow up! 😊
I see so many drummers being regarded SIGNIFICANTLY better than they actually are or than the material they're playing demonstrates just because they're doing the 'showmanship' thing. I like someone like Tobias Schuler - super chill while playing stupid fast blasts, amazing technique, amazing drummer, and no silly fake 'look at all this effort i'm putting in or exaggerated enjoyment'.
Did it occur to you that lots of drummer play with a lot of energy and "exaggerated enjoyment" just because it is normal to them, not for showmanship ? :) They really enjoy playing drums, they don't exaggerate anything. To me, seeing drummers playing extreme stuff or just a solid rock/funk backbeat while staying super chill is what looks weird to me :) It would be super hard for me to play a punk rock, death metal or funk song and stay super chill. I think that has to do with your personality ("rocking out type of person" vs "super chill / relaxed"), not "showoff vs humble musician". I intuitively associate drums with "energy", not with "staying calm". I grew up with 90's rock/grunge, 80's/90's/2000's metal hardcore/punk rock/thrash/brutal death so that's mainly why.
@@djabthrash You think you understand drummers better than Marthyn? Honestly it's bizarre to me you're getting defensive about such transparently false behaviour. Moreover, why not direct the question at the person who posted the video making the point about 'showmanship' in the first place.
@@VisceralDisgust I wasn't replying to anything Marthyn said. I was replying to YOUR comment, which to me implied that playing drums very enthusiastically was just a fake thing for show ("such transparently false behaviour" as you said again), when it's not for most drummers. Read my comment again. If i play a Skinless, Cannibal Corpse, Slipknot or Foo Fighters song, i will play with a lot of enthusiasm by default, because this is how i fee like when playing the drums for those songs, not because i need to impress someone.
@@djabthrash my comment was an agreement with what Marthyn said, so... so you play those songs like that, great. Specifically my issue is playing simple crap like Metallica or cannibal corpse for social media in a blatantly fake way to fool nome musicians into thinking its more impressive than it actually is. You wanna play like that, go right ahead.
@@VisceralDisgust I don't watch much instagram drum videos so i don't know if pretending to be energetic is a big thing (and if it is, it is sad), but i can tell you that the fact that a part is simple ("simple crap") doesn't mean it has to be played with no energy... If i listen to the most basic/simple/easy Metallica and Cannibal Corpse beats it sounds energetic to me, so I'd expect drummers to play it with energy by default. NB : also : lots of people (like you) also dig seeing drummers playing super difficult stuff while staying super relaxed, so i'm not sure being energetic is supposed to be impressive and showing off to most :)
I have a question, I would be happy if someone can answer... Does any kind of double bass technique (swivel, heal- toe...) make sense without triggers? Other words, is it possible to play it as same loud as full leg, for example... ?
"Does any kind of double bass technique (swivel, heal- toe...) make sense without triggers?" Have you tried ? :) Lots of drummers do swivel (and even double bass in general) just fine without triggers. It depends on the genre and the sound you're after, how fast you play, if you have lots of backbeats/stronger beats in the material too, etc.
@@djabthrash tnx for answer. I play drums for a longer time, i played always some kind of progressive rock or metal, but i never played some high tempos above 170 BPM and i always used full leg motion. Now i have to play up to 200 BPM and it's not working with full leg motion, for me at least... I played once with triggerd double bass and I didn't like it, I couldn't build dynamic as i wanted. And maybe i think wrong, but it seems like with swivel or heal- toe, there comes much less power from the kick... So I thought that is why triggers are used...
@@SasaRadic-fq5en you got that right : the faster you play the less full leg motion and potential of power you have, and triggers are used for that reason (so that you can hear "weaker" hits). How did you set up your triggers when you used them ? You can set the velocity curve so that it kinda respects the dynamics in your playing, if you want to hear your kick dynamics. EDIT : also : it takes some time to get used to a new thing and set it right : triggers, IEMs, etc... So it's not unusual that you didn't like triggers at first. If you find that you can't sound good enough at high speeds without triggers, then give triggers a second chance. Triggers are also a great tool just for your own monitoring (to hear you kick hits clearly).
@@djabthrash I didn't set nothing with triggers, it was 2 bands gig, everything almost was from another drummer, and he asked me if I can play his double pedal becouse of less complications. Trigger was not on bass drum, but on pedal, meaning bass drum was not wired at all. And it was set so, if i only touch it, kicks the same loud as my full kick. No dynamics at all... It was my only experience with triggers, other than e drums 🙂
Has anyone told John that he sits awfully low. Obviously he gets the job done well but maybe that's why he struggles with those singles...I'm a nobody BTW but I've been playing for 30 years and raising my throne has only opened up a wider array of availability of foot,ankle, swivel, heel down techniques yet I still can't execute doubles
In my experience the weight of your legs is really helpful in getting the power of the doubles in, but makes it harder to do singles because you are keeping your legs elevated while using ankles. I dunno tho that’s just what I kinda thought could be speaking bullshit
YES WTF WHY were those Dying Fetus videos of John playing with them on the side angle taken down!?!? I have been searching them on and off for YEARS. They were awesome.
It sucks that Eloy now plays for Slipknot in my opinion. Although he likes the music, I think it is wasted talent. Eloy shines when he combines latin and thrash. I don't think that he can do that in Slipknot. I can't stand Slipknot in general but I am a big Eloy fan. I even bought the same drumset from Tama that he played live some years ago. Tough times for me.
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For fans of John Longstreth, I recommend you check out the album THETA on our channel, John did a killer job behind the kit. Sorry for the shameless plug lol \m/
What a great discussion! A big vibe in this video is: Extreme metal drumming is no place for SNOBS. At every show I have played all us drummers support each other, we don't care about "cheating", triggers, mistakes, odd or poor techniques, unaurthodox approaches etc... . We just want to have a good time and learn from each other. We all know we have a really hard job and we don't want to make it even harder by being dicks !
Beautifully said
Dropping and sharing knowledge like nobody's business. Thanks for this!
Happy to see John rocking the Nordjevel shirt
I would love to see more of these types of videos. You know it’s a good conversation when you want to interject/contribute, but then remember no one is actually here. Haha
the best hour an a half podcast I've ever watched. 3 legendary drummers talking music n life absolutely amazing!
Having just played the XR I'm totally relating to what John is saying. It's just GREAT right out of the box.
Almost 2 hours of drumming podcast🤯🤯
Let's go🔥
I would love to see more video in this format! I’m currently sitting out in the sun with my dog while watching this lol.
Hello. Wonderful guests. I'm watching from Ukraine, bro 🧡😊🎉
Loved every second of this interview. 3 titan drummers and true masters of their craft!
Lots of knowledge here. From heel-toe to single strokes, from a beer to an orange juice. Great talk. Thanks for this Marthyn.
Watch and hear simon talk about his drumming and all is so great! Thanks for that nice Video!
My biggest influence in drumming 🔥🔥🥁
Hey I really enjoyed this video and discussion. I would have never of thought Origin and Marduk would be touring together but it's very awesome to have both combined together. Both are awesome! Enjoyed their opinions and knowledge! Thanks!
You gotta Lotta wisdom from these pros here. Thank you man. It matters!
More - this content is brilliant
I can't stress how much I love the backyard-BBQ-sunshine-and-blastbeats style interview/podcast. This is rad as fuck. Great hearing John, Simon and yourself chat about what just works.
This is blast tastic !! 🤘🏻😎👍🥁
2 months after the algorithm finally sended it to me!!
BBQ cam rules!!
Wow!!! The Gods of extreme drumming.
Didn’t think I would make it through this whole thing, but it was such a great conversation that it did not feel long and I’m so glad I did listen to the whole thing. Also great to hear epic drummers be so down to earth.
Nice view and badass video
Oh hell yeah. Just re-listened to Momento Mori. Simon's drumming is perfect on that album.
Wow, this is gonna be interesting for sure 😃
The 1st axis short board I saw a drummer using it were Dave Culross and he had it with sandpaper.
Thank you so much for this awesome episode!✌
Is there a possibility to do a podcast with the sound technicians?
I think that could be interesting to hear from there point of view👋
+1
Such a great video. All great topics, not only about drumming itself, but everything that comes with it. Keep these coming Marthyn.
awesome!!!! that was so cool to watch and listen. please do more long content like this!!
Amazing conversation. So much knowledge and experience divided between three people
The podcast was really insightful!
A question regarding your bass drum angle with regard to your beater angle- Does the beater strike the base drum head at 90/95 degrees or more?
Any help would be really appreciated! :)
You want the beater head to hit the bass drum flat, or if its round as much surface contact as possible and you can adjust the beater arm/rod to whatever angle or height you want to accomplish that, if it feels comfortable. I have a variety of beaters but I try to make it so they contact the drum at or just after 90 degrees.
awesome
Really enjoyed this.
Great gentlemen!
I enjoyed this video so much, I always love to see extreme music musician in their regular day to day mood. Lots of very good advice aswell
Great channel thank so much drummers need it so bad!
Wow was an amazing interview thank you!!!
Thanks, this was a lot of fun and full of fascinating insights.
Great video, thanks for this! Cool to see you just chillin, grillin, and shootin the shit.
I think there needs to be an entirely separate video just on the discussion of playing live and soundguys. I've all but quit going to DM/BM shows unless I know the band and can stand on the side of the stage to hear the drums acoustically. Otherwise, every show the kicks sound like a typewriter and the snare is completely lost in the mix until there's a "slayer beat". I haven't had the opportunity to see Simon play live since Marduk rarely comes stateside and I don't think I've ever seen John play where I haven't been on the side of the stage. But most recently, the only drummer I've seen where their entire kit could be heard flawlessly was Jamie St. Merat. I know Ulcerate isn't playing the tempos of Origin and Marduk but I think it's a testament to the consistency of his hits, or the fact that he just has a REALLY fucking good soundguy haha.
excellent!
This is such a good talk!
This was great!!
More barbeque conversations like this please
What a setting
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This is so cool Marthyn! Its like a behind the scenes in the most casual environment ever. Still, I have to say, John is way too hard on himself. He was doing those Meinl videos and having a great time and everyone in the comments was loving it. Its a shame because there are very few drummers in the world at your three's level and due to a few random dbags the rest of us get screwed out of seeing you guys do your thing. Like take Simon, he has probably the best drum playthrough of all time on his channel, his new Demonstealer song (that was done in one take I might add) but he posts very infrequently. These guys are established but today if you want to break into the metal drumming scene you're going to have to be El Estepario - very good at drumming and VERY social media savvy. That's just how it is, I mean look at where we are right now. I wish you guys the best of luck and thanks for being inspirations to the rest of us.
"These guys are established but today if you want to break into the metal drumming scene you're going to have to be El Estepario - very good at drumming and VERY social media savvy."
Sure social media is a way to promote yourself, but if you're a great player and people know about you (because you toured and/or you did some studio sessions for instance), then you will get hired even if you have no social media presence.
All the great drummers in bands in my scene have zero social media presence and they do great.
What a fucking treat!!
Simon is rocking the mutton chops.😂 I'm used to him with the full beard.
Bro. Nice.
Great chat
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Thank you for this video!!! I feel motivated!!! 😎
In the last year I have tought that my drumming was almost a waste of time, cause it seems no one care about live HONEST drum video 😅
I Really like to share real thing and I would like to see this trend back again! 😊 live feeling is good!!!
Ok, now you are free to say amen 🤣
"In the last year I have tought that my drumming was almost a waste of time, cause it seems no one care about live HONEST drum video"
Do you play for others or do you play because you enjoy it ? :)
NB : some people (like me) prefer live honest drum videos.
@@djabthrash My thought comes from a specific part of the interview, When they talk about drummers who shares fake video and then they are not able to play their part live 😅
Anyway, I do not play only for myself but for a band and even to inspire someone else to do it!!!
To me Art is something that should be exposed and if you play music some feedback are very useful to grow up! 😊
@@ManuelDelGiudice Gotcha
This interesting video is over an hour long and was uploaded 50 minutes ago. 124 views. Turning it off cuts off the recommendations.
Stating he's moderate, John simply dominated this discussion. :D
1:17:56 i wonder what John did for a living back in the day
Wonderful to watch you guys having BBQ
'There we go again' ... tinnitus..
"...the greatest revenge is massive success..."
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I see so many drummers being regarded SIGNIFICANTLY better than they actually are or than the material they're playing demonstrates just because they're doing the 'showmanship' thing. I like someone like Tobias Schuler - super chill while playing stupid fast blasts, amazing technique, amazing drummer, and no silly fake 'look at all this effort i'm putting in or exaggerated enjoyment'.
Did it occur to you that lots of drummer play with a lot of energy and "exaggerated enjoyment" just because it is normal to them, not for showmanship ? :) They really enjoy playing drums, they don't exaggerate anything.
To me, seeing drummers playing extreme stuff or just a solid rock/funk backbeat while staying super chill is what looks weird to me :)
It would be super hard for me to play a punk rock, death metal or funk song and stay super chill.
I think that has to do with your personality ("rocking out type of person" vs "super chill / relaxed"), not "showoff vs humble musician".
I intuitively associate drums with "energy", not with "staying calm". I grew up with 90's rock/grunge, 80's/90's/2000's metal hardcore/punk rock/thrash/brutal death so that's mainly why.
@@djabthrash You think you understand drummers better than Marthyn? Honestly it's bizarre to me you're getting defensive about such transparently false behaviour. Moreover, why not direct the question at the person who posted the video making the point about 'showmanship' in the first place.
@@VisceralDisgust I wasn't replying to anything Marthyn said. I was replying to YOUR comment, which to me implied that playing drums very enthusiastically was just a fake thing for show ("such transparently false behaviour" as you said again), when it's not for most drummers.
Read my comment again.
If i play a Skinless, Cannibal Corpse, Slipknot or Foo Fighters song, i will play with a lot of enthusiasm by default, because this is how i fee like when playing the drums for those songs, not because i need to impress someone.
@@djabthrash my comment was an agreement with what Marthyn said, so...
so you play those songs like that, great. Specifically my issue is playing simple crap like Metallica or cannibal corpse for social media in a blatantly fake way to fool nome musicians into thinking its more impressive than it actually is. You wanna play like that, go right ahead.
@@VisceralDisgust I don't watch much instagram drum videos so i don't know if pretending to be energetic is a big thing (and if it is, it is sad), but i can tell you that the fact that a part is simple ("simple crap") doesn't mean it has to be played with no energy...
If i listen to the most basic/simple/easy Metallica and Cannibal Corpse beats it sounds energetic to me, so I'd expect drummers to play it with energy by default.
NB : also : lots of people (like you) also dig seeing drummers playing super difficult stuff while staying super relaxed, so i'm not sure being energetic is supposed to be impressive and showing off to most :)
01:03:49 this is also something the Skinless said about him when he was with them. Lots of drum improv live is hard to follow
I have a question, I would be happy if someone can answer... Does any kind of double bass technique (swivel, heal- toe...) make sense without triggers? Other words, is it possible to play it as same loud as full leg, for example... ?
"Does any kind of double bass technique (swivel, heal- toe...) make sense without triggers?"
Have you tried ? :)
Lots of drummers do swivel (and even double bass in general) just fine without triggers. It depends on the genre and the sound you're after, how fast you play, if you have lots of backbeats/stronger beats in the material too, etc.
@@djabthrash tnx for answer. I play drums for a longer time, i played always some kind of progressive rock or metal, but i never played some high tempos above 170 BPM and i always used full leg motion. Now i have to play up to 200 BPM and it's not working with full leg motion, for me at least... I played once with triggerd double bass and I didn't like it, I couldn't build dynamic as i wanted. And maybe i think wrong, but it seems like with swivel or heal- toe, there comes much less power from the kick... So I thought that is why triggers are used...
@@SasaRadic-fq5en you got that right : the faster you play the less full leg motion and potential of power you have, and triggers are used for that reason (so that you can hear "weaker" hits).
How did you set up your triggers when you used them ? You can set the velocity curve so that it kinda respects the dynamics in your playing, if you want to hear your kick dynamics.
EDIT : also : it takes some time to get used to a new thing and set it right : triggers, IEMs, etc... So it's not unusual that you didn't like triggers at first. If you find that you can't sound good enough at high speeds without triggers, then give triggers a second chance.
Triggers are also a great tool just for your own monitoring (to hear you kick hits clearly).
@@djabthrash I didn't set nothing with triggers, it was 2 bands gig, everything almost was from another drummer, and he asked me if I can play his double pedal becouse of less complications. Trigger was not on bass drum, but on pedal, meaning bass drum was not wired at all. And it was set so, if i only touch it, kicks the same loud as my full kick. No dynamics at all... It was my only experience with triggers, other than e drums 🙂
And thank you for your will to explain 🙂
What’s up John I got you bro I have that footage with fetus I will upload soon .
I have it on dvd .
a'm I the only one who watches the entire podcast also eating a steak?
Simpsons reference.
Has anyone told John that he sits awfully low. Obviously he gets the job done well but maybe that's why he struggles with those singles...I'm a nobody BTW but I've been playing for 30 years and raising my throne has only opened up a wider array of availability of foot,ankle, swivel, heel down techniques yet I still can't execute doubles
In my experience the weight of your legs is really helpful in getting the power of the doubles in, but makes it harder to do singles because you are keeping your legs elevated while using ankles. I dunno tho that’s just what I kinda thought could be speaking bullshit
YES WTF WHY were those Dying Fetus videos of John playing with them on the side angle taken down!?!? I have been searching them on and off for YEARS. They were awesome.
John's like Slipknot...pshhhh...I don't listen to that crap 😂
It sucks that Eloy now plays for Slipknot in my opinion. Although he likes the music, I think it is wasted talent. Eloy shines when he combines latin and thrash. I don't think that he can do that in Slipknot. I can't stand Slipknot in general but I am a big Eloy fan. I even bought the same drumset from Tama that he played live some years ago. Tough times for me.