Battle of the Ports - Metal Slug (メタルスラッグ) Show
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A fan favourite this week as we take a look at Metal Slug.
Time Code
00:25 - Arcade / Neo Geo MVS
03:01 - Neo Geo CD
04:58 - PlayStation
06:44 - Saturn
08:59 - GameBoy Colour
10:03 - All versions side by side
Enjoy!
I love Metal Slug, I still think that the-
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Sorry, now that I've got that out of the way, the first one is my favourite, probably followed by 2 then 3. The PS1 really wasn't-
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-that great at 2D, it was a real weakness for the system it seems, although Konami were pretty ingenious in how they developed Symphony of the Night around the PS1 hardware.
I'm not sure why the PS version needs to load so often. the animation is already really cut back. I guess the total stage just has way too much animation for the system to handle it. To be fair, Symphony of the Night doesn't have any where near the amount of hand drawn animation found in Metal Slug.
Retro Core as I understand it, KOF 95 on Saturn, the one with the ROM cart rather than RAM cart, had BG graphics on the cart. It's probably a good indication of just how much space the BG graphics could take up on Neo Geo ports. I don't know if SNK did the best job optimizing things since they had hardware to sell at the time.
Yep.... and they scrubbed it all up when they let their B team at Nagoya handle the disappointing Saturn port of Symphony of the night.
Metal Slug never gets old, still one of my all time favorites and love picking up the Snk ports. Thanks for the great upload. 👍👍👍
So true. Metal Slug is a true classic.
@@RetroCore there's the other bootleg called Terrifying 911 which is based upon the arcade
NOW WHERE'S THE AMIGA VERSION SO EVERYONE CAN BASH IT AND....
Oh, now there's no Amiga version.
:p :p
Great video, great update on the GBC version too :D
Lol proud Amiga 500 owner Fuck u
The most important fact about this marvel off a game is that its great fun. Yes it looks amazing, yes the sound and music is fantastic, and yes the humor is great. Butt the fun off playing these games has no limits.
One more time, Saturn ports of Neo Geo are the best choices thanks to the 1 or 4MB cartdrige. Cheap and with very short loading times. I remember enjoying a lot de KOF ports 20 years ago...
Ports of NeoGeo games used the 1MB RAM cart at most. The 4MB RAM cart has compatibility issues with earlier ports.
Glad to see this one, as Metal Slug is one of my favorite franchises. What a brilliant take on the run-n- gun. I heard stories of the PS1 version, but never saw how bad it was until now. The lack of animation was obvious on my small phone screen, and not even full screen. The first Metal Slug is one of the best in the series, in my opinion. My other favorites are X and 5. Great stuff as always.
Yeah, the PSX port is really bad. I can't understand why it was done so poorly.
When I was a kid (back in the year 2000 when I was 6), I didn't care much about the lack of animation and the mid load times. Now I'm 24 years old and seeing the ps1 port again... Yes, It's kind of lazy.
I love Metal Slug, The Saturn version is great, the combat school, the speedrun mode,the galery...
My "Neo Geo" was a Sega Saturn with an Arcade stick for a long time. I didn't have a AES back in the day and I bought the Neo CD in 96 or 97 when was already cheaper. on the Saturn I played Metal Slug, Samurai 4, Waku Waku 7, Galaxy Force, I think the first Real Bout and more. I already had a Saturn and the AES was REALLY expensive. my cousins had a Neo CD, and we used to compare the games on NCD and Saturn, and it was basically the same, but Neo cd had extremely long loads. I never seen a NCDZ, but people say it was much better, but at that point I was playing Dreamcast already. :)
The Saturn was an excellent substitute for the Neo Geo. Many of the Ports were so close it was hard to tell them apart.
Honestly I prefer the NEO GEO CD despite the long loading times. Because not all NEO GEO games are available on the Sega Saturn. Not to mention, a good example is one of my favourite shooters of all time: ASO II: Last Guardian (also known as Alpha Mission, its Western title).
PS1 version really shows how much this game craves RAM.
Heck, even the saturn version suffers somewhat, and it has extra ram cart too.
Neo geo games usually didn't play nice on these systems. Look at KoF 99 on Neo Geo CD vs PS1. The PS1 version has shorter load times sure, but frames of animation are missing, sound is awful etc...
Ram was a big problem for those games
Long I have waited for a MS battle of the ports! Thanks, Retro Core!
Please, bring on more SNK/Neo Geo ports here, I have played lots of them on the 90s
You're welcome, Paulo Felisberto. I'll being doing more Neo Geo in the future.
I bought Metal Slug X on Steam yesterday and I have admit, it's incredible. Metal Slug is so much fun as a video game franchise and at least one of the games is a must play.
Neo Geo CD has been criticized for having long loading times. It's true Neo Geo CD could have used 2x CD drive, although the loading times depend on the ROM size of each game.
Despite being on 32-bit systems, the Saturn and the Playstation ports have more slowdowns than the Neo Geo version. Neo Geo is actually a 16-bit system, just like how PC Engine is a 8-bit system. Maybe the slowdowns happen because the backgrounds are done using sprites, just like on Neo Geo, rather than with tiles.
Metal Slug X is great. I play that a lot on my MVS NEO Geo.
I love this game they still have a machine at a local outdoor market here !
LUCKY!
Saturn smokes the PS1 yet again in 2D - no surprise there!
the arcade is fucking awesome fluid animation
Hmm... I'd say between the NGCD and the Saturn....
The PS1 version is a shoddy port of the NGCD version...
And the AES version doesn't have the Combat School and the Art Gallery...
One of the best games I own on my MVS, though I cant say the same for Metal Slug 2 and it's horrendous slowdown problems.
Thank god Metal Slug X(the update to Metal Slug 2) fixed all major areas of slowdown and made callbacks to both previous Metal Slugs
not sure what SNK were thinking with the NeoCD's 1x CD drive, even in 1994 that was getting a little slow.
funny enough there are old interviews with SNK at the time where they claimed Metal Slug 2 would not arrive on the Saturn due to the system not being up to the task . of course it didn't stop them from releasing Metal Slug X on the PS1....
Money talks louder than technical specs I guess.
shame they didnt use the 4mb cartidge though , would have helped bring the loading times down even further.
Yeah, SNK were full of crap wit that statement. Sony had the cash and SNK needed it.
@@RetroCore Considering the fact the Saturn port of The King of Fighters 95 wasn't released in North American but the Playstation port was, it's very likely Sony convinced SNK not to release Metal Slug 2/X on Saturn.
The Saturn just had that extra ram, even without the ram expansion it had more than the PS1 on top of that it could also do more layers of parallax scrolling, a beast of a machine when it came to 2D games.
How much ram did the Neo-Geo CD have Mark ? I'm pretty impressed with it having all the animation and no loading.
The Neo Geo CD has 58 Mbit / 7 MB of RAM.
Cheers 🍻
Those loading breaks really hold back the Playstation version, I'd certainly have been disappointed if I'd paid out to import it.
All academic though, I had an N64 back then so I was completely out of the loop for most games, if you were ever thinking about buying a console the best strategy was to ask me what I was getting, then make sure you didn't get that console. I always somehow picked the one plagued by software droughts and sparse catalogue.
Yeah, people in to Nintendo back then missed out on so much for what?, a Zelda game and Mario game every blue moon. Actually, seems like the Wii U was the same and I see the Switch being that way too. In an idea world you could have a Switch and one other system.
The Nintendo 64 was not that bad, it had a pretty decent number of games that were not Mario, Zelda or even Nintendo games, just not many arcade style games or RPG's.
@@oscarzxn4067 Indeed. Rare was at their prime at the time. Also, the N64 was the FPS king. And local multiplayer? The other two got nowhere close. The weak point were RPGs and fighting games.
27 subs to TEN GRAND...come on peoples...
Almost there!
Goal achieved! Congrats!
Ex-Irem employees....now it all makes sense! I'm still perplexed as to why the Saturn port utilized 1MB expansion instead of 4MB. It should've been perfect. Did Nazca also develop the game "In The Hunt"? That game's sprite work and animation look mighty familiar...Another great episode, Mark!
Maybe the 4Mbit cart wasn't around at that time? It was Capcom pushing Sega which resulted in the 4Mbit Ram cartridge. I do t think any SNK games were actually made with the 4Mbit cart in mind.
Yes, Nazca did indeed make In the Hunt :)
I dunno if is good or bad that fall in the background sound quality on the ps1 compared to the NeoGeo CD port... now I can perfectly distinct the music from the shoots n screams
What resolution is the Saturn game running at? The original game runs at something like 304 x 224 (or 240). I wonder why SNK didn't use one of the Saturn's low-res modes...
The Saturn does have that resolution but I guess the Saturn metal slug runs at 352×224 for some reason.
I'd love to see a higher resolution Sprite remake of this series! With no slowdown! I know it's the neogeo charm but my modern standards must be met with smooth fps!
Edit: btw great video series, most in depth and quality capture for comparison series in TH-cam.
Thanks, GanjsmostPrime. Glad you are enjoying the shows.
speaking of Metal Slug, I still remember how I felt disappointed when I played Metal Slug 2 on Neo Geo CD......
Yep, Metal Slug 2 was total crap which is why the had to remake it again as X
Weird but I don't remember any data loadings during the levels, and I played the playstation version of Metal Slug a lot, maybe is a mandela effect haha. This is a classic game indeed! good memories. Thanks!
Deffinetly the Mandela effect for sure :) the loading is there.
I remember the loading but honestly the game is still fun enough to ignore it (at least it was back in the day when Neo-Geo was still expensive and Saturn Imports were harder to get)
My first time playing this was on neoragex many years ago. Was an amazing emulator for it's time and ran well on a pentium 166.
well of course, there's also a metal slug collection on ps2 (which is awesome), but i believe that is one of the rarer titles on the system
It's emulated which is why I never added to this video. that pack is just running Neo Geo ROMs on the PS2.
Great episode! May I suggest an episode on Image Fight?
Image Fight is on the list. Some day it will be done. Thanks ks for the contribution.
It's a very tricky series to 1CC to say the least, but one thing that should be meantioned is the ability to save progress at game over which can be used on the AES or the Advanced Entertainment System for a rare form of cross save capability, in fact the same could be said for all MVS versions to their home counter parts
I had no idea you could save in Metal Gear 1.
Retro Core metal slug? I was talking metal slug on the neo geo
Retro Core but yes, literally every game to date on the neo geo had a suspend feature, where you can save the stage you died at so you can return to it when you play it again
Oops, sorry my phone is so used to me typing Metal Gear that it changed Metal Slug to Metal Gear.
That's a really cool idea. The only other system to have Arcade / home console save compatability was the Dreamcast. Although I think that was exclusive to Japan.
Amazing start to a great gaming series. Yeah, I avoided most of the ports til I got a taste of actual emulation at the time. But now I bought newer ports and collections for the PS2, Xbox 360 and onward. Ex-Irem developers? Quite possibly they also worked on Kaitei Daisensou aka In The Hunt.
Yep, the same team made In the Hunt and I beleive they may have had a hand in that Neo Geo Golf game that everyone loves.
One of the greatest games of all times.
I agree. It's a timeless classic. It's one of those games that doesn't seem to age.
Retro Core this game is amazing
It seems like the PlayStation always has a bad port.
Which console emulated version is the best? (Might be good idea for video)
Ahh the chines knock of makes it´s hunting again hehe. Yeah love this series my favorite Is the one I own on ps2 Metal slug 4.
I'm surprised you haven't gotten a reply bitching about MS4 being your favorite.
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Yeah maybe they don´t have the engery to care that I like it.
As always great!1 Thx!
Do you have Nintendo Switch and did you test that game in it, from Arcade Archives catalog? I think is for PS4 and Xbox one too. CHEERS!
Yes, my son has a Nintendo Switch but I'm not going to feature that version because it's just the arcade ROM being emulated on the Switch. The same goes for the PSP, PS2, Wii, XBOX, iSO and Android versions. They're all emulation, not ports. The saturn, PlayStation and Neo CD versions are all original remade versions, not emulation.
Out of curiosity, what are your favorite and least favorite Metal Slug games?
No Nintendo Switch version? Because that's the original arcade version as part as the ACA Neo Geo collection ported to the Switch.
It's the arcade ROM just emulated on the Switch.
Can you read? NO emulation. Just Ports.
Yep, exactly why it's not featured.
I really wasn't a fan of Neo-Geo nor Capcom games, it really didn't appeal to me. I remember seeing this game on the arcade at a Washateria place.
Every time I look at it, I just didn't like it because it was too violent. It kind of looked silly (in my opinion), but it was okay. I did get a chance to play it, I would add that.
Other than what I would say, nice update to the GBC version, and nice video as well. :)
I guess Metal Slug does look violent but it's more popular due to its sense of humour and playability.
The voices are a little different in the Sony Playstation and Sega Saturn versions from the Neo Geo original. The voices are pitched differently. The voices in the Playstation version sounds a bit muffled. The Neo Geo versions are the way to go but the next best thing is the Sega Saturn version not including the emulation ports but even those on the PS2 and PSP/Vita are not accurate.
I think the sound files on the PS1 are compressed. On the other hand, the Saturn ones are not.
Maybe Mark can correct me, If I 'm mistaken.
Professor Officer I think you might be right.
The samples on the PS version are really low in quality. I was kind of surprised.
The sound files are compressed on the PlayStation and also on the Saturn but the Saturn has better sound hardware and the compression isn't as server as the PlayStation version. Makes a change really as quite often the Saturn gets stuck with compressed speech files.
What are the bad emulation versions you described on the beginning?
The PS2 version has awful timing, the Wii has stupid control options and the others seem to be fine but nothing special as they're just Arcade roms being emulated.
Retro Core ahh, i didnt remember the ps2 port very well. Thanks for the reply
No worries.
I feel awful for mentioning this but there was another bootleg port of Metal Slug to the GBC called Terrifying 911 based off of the 9/11 tragedy and is just as tasteless as it sounds if not more, complete with news footage of the attack in the opening of the game compressed in to GameBoy Color Full Motion Video. The story of the game is that Osama Bin Laden is planning to do a second terrorist attack and you are sent in to stop him, what’s worse? I hear the port is actually pretty good. The game is overall pretty rare but occasionally pops up on eBay, I bet you would be put on a watchlist for owning the game alone.
Way ahead of you there. Check out the updated video which was published a day later 👍
Lol I’m just gonna put this here 😂
Mid 90s early to mid 2000s SNK ports: never got a good port
The future aka today: ACA/ HAMSTER here ya go people we finally cracked the neo Geo code and here’s most of the Neo Geo library in 💯% arcade perfect emulation with no problems what so ever on your PS4
Can’t believe it took a game making company this long to finally get the right with the SNK arcade ports but damn hell what a time to be alive! ❤️❤️❤️
As you said, it's just emulation now, not a port. So it should be perfect because its using the original code.
Retro Core yes lol retro it’s so amazing to live in a time now where home consoles are powerful enough to run Neo Geo arcade hardware perfectly as ever can be with no loss in anything
AH-HA!!! Now your talking Mark. 8^)
A timeless classic is the best way I can say with the 1st in the Metal Slug franchise Mark, Superb choice to say the least. Never get exhausted playing it and its a blast for all gamers alike to enjoy!
Besides your Battle of the Ports thread, I posted this on, The Official NEO-GEO Thread on Atariage.com for you. So double the interest on both ends!
Its on page 349, post #8718 for you to view.
atariage.com/forums/topic/223548-the-official-neo-geo-thread/page-349
Thank you for another informative upload Mark. Really enjoyed every second of it (like I usually do with your works). Keep up the awesome work my good man! 8^)
Anthony..
Thanks for the double post, Anthony.
I agree, Metal Slug is an all time great that will never get old. Well, the newer games do but this first instalment and the remade update of part 2 are pure classics.
You're welcome and so true Mark.
Glad you enjoy Metal Slug as much as I do. Always a pleasure to see your videos Mark. I usally get something to eat to watch them. 8^)
Anthony..
What's about Metal Slug on PSP, PS2, Wii, GBA, Windows, Xbox 360, IOS, Android, ...?
+Funkenflug all arcade emulation. No point covering something that's just running Arcade code. Plus they're also not ports, theyre emulations.
Retro Core Thank you for your answer! Did not know that.
No worries.
There is a better "chinese" port of Metal Slug for the GBC called "Terrifying 911"
Oh, and thought this rubbish was that one. Looks like there are two GBC Metal Slug games from China.
Hehe and i didnt known the one you show in the video. The "911" one is by a company called hitek if i remember correctly. And avery impressive port. Minus the whole 911 theme.
Hmm, I'll have to keep an eye open for that one.
If so, is there any possibilities to create an updated version of this video like the previous cases?
Not at the moment but I could add a section on the BluRay I'm thinking about putting together.
MVS is the way to go IMO. I paid £25 for mine.
You were very luck with that price unless you bought it many years ago.
True. I bought 5 carts from Coinopexpress about 13 years ago. In the same order I got The Last Blade for £16, KOF95 for about £20 and two others. The most expensive cart cost about £28. Shortly after this I bought a Candy cab. Of course, customs wanted about £50 for the package with the games but I was so happy with the cab and games it didn't bother me.
I did a check on Ebay, you can still get Metal Slug (MVS) at a good price.
All the greats cost a lot these days. That's why I'm never selling on my stuff any more. Actually, now is a good time in Japan to be buying up those expensive PS2 games as prices have really dropped recently.
Neo MVS used to be one of the best collections to start. A lot of them could be had for £20 or under. They're also very well built carts, like bricks almost. There's a satisfaction about getting them.
Not sure what the market's like these days...Coinopexpress prices are crazy but Ebay doesn't seem too bad.
The PS1 audio sounds messed up also
The samples are much lower than the Saturn version.
Is metal slug 1 emulated badly on the anthology collection on ps2?
According to reports on the net it is. I've not tried it myself.
And what about GameBoy Advance version?
And the Neo Geo Pocket one XD Not included as they're not direct recreations of the arcade game.
It's not a port of the Arcade game.
I have Metal Slug Anthology for the PSP.
Nice. I had it for the Wii many years ago then promptly sold it because of the stupid waggle controls it received.
Does it seem like the color is a bit washed out on the Saturn, or is just the way the video was captured?
It's just the way the video is captured. The other versions are all running via emulation and HDMI for video out. The Saturn port is running on real Saturn Hardware via RGB video out.
The Saturn port's colors looks beautiful to me.
SATURN
shame that so many saturn ports have their horizontal resolution squeezed as a result of the slightly higher resolution of the system.
When playing the Saturn version on it's own you don't really notice the different aspect ratio but you sure do in the side by side comparison.
Retro Core i think its pretty noticable in a lot of arcade or ps1 ports. symphony of the night and parodius for example.
I guess if you've played d the original a lot but for me it's never been anything I really noticed. The SFC /SNES has a similar issue too.
Got the MVS cart. Awesome game, but I seem to lose interest playing it and can never get through to the end. Not sure what the problem is. Must be me.
lower the difficulty perhaps?
Am I the only one that feels the Saturn version is plagued with slow down? That’s the only version I’ve ever played.
The Saturn version does slow down but then again so do the other versions. The developers behind Metal Slug were also behind In The Hunt. Another game with rely awful slowdown. Metal Slug 2 on the Neo Geo was so bad for slowdown that they had to re-release it as Metal Slug X.
Contra < Metal Slug < Contra Hard Corps
But I must say that a 1cc of Metal Slug is my litmus test of "Hardcore" gamer.
Personally:
Contra(Famicom)
Ah shit, when I told you about the GBC port I meant another one. Totally forgot about this one. My bad.
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Oh man, now that one looks shit hot and would have made a fantastic addition to this video. Oh well. I'm not downloading the game for use in a future video. Thanks for the link.
neogeo cd version lost some frames of animation in some parts and is not 100% the same as the arcade version, it`s slightly inferior, thou it`s almost unnoticeable
Yep, it's not 100% which is why I said it's 99% :) It is hard to notice the differences without really examining both versions but I guess most people couldn't tell the difference.
Retro Core kinda sucks. since they managed to fit the whole metal slug 2 game into the ngcd (even thou there were some nightmarish load times), you'd expect that metal slug 1 to be 100% faithful to the arcade original. but i Guess they did it to make the load screens more bearable
Retro Core nice video thou, keep up the good work
Mmmmmh I don't think so.
its look like saturn did have some issue with speed, dont know its from record time or game version (this 1.0005 right ?) or saturn itself, also agree not include IOS and Android version this 2 port game plain awful not because its actually arcade version become app version, more like the control is bad after all virtual button not good for fast pace action game like metal slug, but i do recommend metal slug defense in IOS and Android at least if you want tower defense type game with SNK character (not only metal slug series its also have some character from KOF)
Bhirawa Maylana only if you use the 4MB ram expansion, or a automatic 1-4MB ram expansion like EMS Action Replay. Use a 1MB *ONLY* expansion and you won't see any slowdown or graphic corruption. This also applies to all SNK games on the Saturn.
Carlos Bragatto ah i see to be honest i play the arcade and playstation version, so i never feel the speed issue though i did feel the notorious loading in playstation
The Saturn port of the game does suffer from slowdown but funnily enough, in different places to the Neo Geo original.
I was using the official Saturn 1MBit RAM cartridge. Metal Slug on the Saturn does slow down but then again, so does the Neo Geo original.
you forgot THE HORROR: RIGHT NOW on PSN EU, there's a ps2 metalslug anthol THAT S ONLY 50HRZ. JUMP DELAYS,slow,sluggish.. its horrible
yep and it's emulation. Crappy emulation at that but still emulation which is why I missed it out.
the thing is i d like to warn the most possible ppl. i bought it on sale, bitter disapointment
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Congratulations :D
Holy crap.
The PS1 audio is horrible. It sounds so muffled... like SNES muffled. It's that bad. Even the Saturn samples sound better.
Lack of memory you see.
It's good. Just stating something extra for you. I can't believe how bad the PS1 port is in all honest truth
Metal Slug X ps1 port was much better
That it was but it's also slimmed down more than the original was. Still, less animation is much better than loading twice in a level.
Yeah but so was this Saturn port, as long as it plays fine I don't mind the worse animation
the gb version are bootleg
I know. This is mentioned in the video. I only showed it as many people are not aware there is a GBC version.
Other versions are anyway bad and unintersting.