Now throw it all into a pot and stir it up, and what do ya get? A big mess. Or a potentially great story arc for Sonic exploring his different power-ups. Either way.
@@mr.incognitoyt2235 😂 DBS reference. But I should say God energy, however that gives me thoughts about Hyper Sonic's energy. Perhaps Super Positive energy? Or that IS God energy? I need to know more.
It seems like a more artificial way of creating one of those situations where he may actually willingly roll with showing his darker emotions if it means accomplishing something just that important. A guilty conscience after temporarily throwing out one piece of morality out the window would be a small price to pay for the safety of you and your loved ones. Sometimes, you just have to accept the fact you'll have to wield a power you may not be comfortable with. Because if you don't and continue to fear power completely, someone else with questionable or ulterior motives will take it.
I just realized, in Unleashed’s opening cutscene, when Eggman says “I’ll turn over a new leaf I swear!” Super sonic sort of believed him as he then says “Showing remorse Eggman?” part of me thinks that because of the emerald’s positive energy granting his super form, and Sonic’s general attitude of caring for others in his own way, he actually believed him for a second, we also know thanks to Adventure and chaos using the “negative” energy of the emeralds, maybe the classic chaos emeralds could also activate Sonic’s dark form if he just let anger consume him, idk but it’s something interesting i noticed when watching this video, even though no one might even see this…
I’ve always found it more interesting to make “Dark” versions of characters retain the same goals, just with twisted morals, they’re not necessarily evil, they still fight the good fight, they just don’t hold back and use any means necessary. It can make for an interesting conversation about a hero’s morals, do they simply lack the ability to do what’s necessary, or is there such a thing as going too far? Personally I fall into the former but it does rely alot on context, and contextually if a “dark” hero has a serious blood lust then they are going too far.
I like writing characters like this too. The main hero is an intelligent humanitarian at his core. His usurper clone created by his enemies shares his goal, but since they altered his brain surgically, he's got a very psychopathic ideals about how make a better world. The main hero may dislike waste and stupidity, his twisted reflection takes that frustration of imperfection to genocidal levels. Another time I wrote a regenerator whose ability went haywire creating a clone with not only the same body, but the same memories from the time of the incident. The clone renames himself, is thorn in his side because he knows exactly how to push his buttons. His double goes out of his way to differentiate himself from the orginal. They get into bloody fights over the same woman. It's a fun perspective on have and have not of the same character.
Everyone's said it already, but Dark Super Sonic (and Dark Sonic by association) IS theoretically a canon form of Sonic. Remember in SA1, how Chaos used the negative energy of the chaos emeralds to turn into perfect chaos while Sonic used the positive energy still left inside the chaos emeralds? What if Sonic uses the negative chaos energy inside of the emeralds at one point instead? He'd most likely become Super Dark Sonic instead of the golden hog' we all know and love, since that one is a purely positive chaos energy transformation. too bad Sega nor IDW want to sweep this super cool form under the rug for good. It'd be awesome to have in in some form of game or comic plot one day.
i see Dark Sonic as just Sonic no longer concerned with holding back, nothing super, just not restricting himself and eggman being able to bring him out of it is because he realized the one person who not only knows him well but also understands being the bad guy well is looking at him with disappointment for what he has become.
Dark sonic doesn't hold back but he's not like sonic no longer concerned with holding back he has more power then sonic not holding back and he turns super when he uses chaos emeralds
I can see dark sonic appearing in the third live action movie. Just seems like a good direction for that movie to go in with it introducing Shadow and could be a nice spin on Sonic's character development, similar to Spiderman and the black suit.
I really wish they'd use this form more, even in X it was a tonal shift; but a welcome and interesting one. It's a somewhat sterotypical, hero pushed to the edge and snaps type vibe and I think sonic needs more of that. Also, great video! Got me reliving the nostalgia :)
I gotta agree with this conclusion. However, I've made a conclusion of my own as well. For me, I think Dark Sonic manifested because of the energy the fake chaos emeralds gave off, and because he was truly enraged when he saw just how hurt and scared Chris and Cosmo were. For me, I think Dark Sonic exsisted because while when Sonic uses the chaos emeralds he uses the positive side, having to always maintain a certain image infront of the public and Sonic's nature in not wanting to worry his friends, would cause Sonic to focus on his positive emotions and bottle up his negative emotions, which would in turn lead up to his negative emotions building up at an excessive rate and it would be bottled up so much and so bad, to where I think Dark Sonic would have had long since in the anime Sonic X manifested and would have simply been a being that existed in Sonic's mindscape, but made his first appearance in episode 67 when he was truly, and openly, enraged beyond his self control. I think that he did, as Dark Sonic have full control of his actions, as when he is Super Sonic he has full control of his actions, so why not be able to have full control of his actions as his dark form? But due to how enraged he was and he was enraged so openly and freely, and with how enraged he was with and at Black Narcissus, he didn't hold back and let go of some of the negative emotions he was so constantly and heavily bottling up. This is simply what I think though. Sorry that it's so long, and sorry if some of it doesn't make sense.
Wasn't dark Sonic in Sonic and the Secret Rings? Not a super form but there was a "Dark Sonic". Believe there was also a red Sonic and green Sonic. Not really worth playing to find out though. Definitely worst game in the franchise.
@@Skylancer727 you must be talking about darkspine Sonic the super form for that game when Sonic gets 3 or 4 of the world rings. Where Sonic also showed a more evil take like dark Sonic when in that form.
If you want to see more of it, it appears in the old fan film, Nazo Unleashed, and it's pretty similar to Darkspine Sonic from Sonic And The Secret Rings
That One Dude maybe they don’t use Dark Sonic more because the character of Shadow already exists, so if DS sticks around, then what’s the need for Shadow? He would end up getting pushed aside, like he did to knuckles.
@@jamessamuelramsey5507 I agree with Darkspine Sonic being similar to Dark Super Sonic. Though, Darkspine Sonic is using all the negative emotion based World Rings, so it's basically just taking whatever anger he had towards Erazor already and amplified it. From what I've gathered here, Dark Super Sonic is basically just Sonic's survival instinct going out of whack. Also, it DID appear in Nazo Unleashed... for a few seconds, and even if it was for longer, it would, by word of god, be unable to do anything against Nazo due to their shared origins of negative Chaos energy.
Here's what I'd do to go about a Dark Sonic storyline. Piggybacking off of something another commenter said regarding Sonic Unleashed and how Sonic acted towards Eggman's false pleas of surrender, the story could be focused around how the positive energy of the Chaos Emeralds could make Sonic naïve when he goes Super Sonic, and he starts to realize it. It can be a story based around an overreliance on the Chaos Emeralds and causing him to start having darker thoughts, the Emeralds feeding on them. Basically, those darker thoughts of the Chaos Emeralds making him naive and such rise to the surface and even someone like Shadow could feel that something is definitely off. At first, Sonic seems to be a lot more well-rounded in his personality and taking certain things more seriously and with less of a happy go-lucky attitude. Shadow may be trying to explain that something about Sonic isn't sitting right with him, but he's either shrugged off or possibly convinced that Sonic has taken a somewhat different outlook on life. But the longer Sonic thinks this way, the more his personality sways into darker intentions, even acting in ways that are very unbecoming of him. He's more aggressive, and shows far less mercy. This could in fact lead to the initial base Dark Sonic, which there's now a physical indication that something's wrong and cannot be denied any longer. Even Sonic himself realizes what is going on but isn't put off by it. Even Shadow figures out what it is he has been feeling and doesn't like the implications of what Sonic is tapping into. This could lead to a road where Sonic has now become an antagonist, and Shadow may be the only one powerful enough to stop him. A battle between the positive and negative energy of the Chaos Emeralds, revealing Dark Super Sonic and forcing a battle with him and Super Shadow. This causes a great deal of destruction by the battle alone. Even Sonic's other friends attempt to stop Sonic by trying to remind him of the person he was and this isn't him right now. But the negative energy's hold on Sonic becomes apparent. It comes to a head where even Robotnik gets involved, maybe not too long after an encounter with Dark Sonic that unsettled him to the point where even he can't stand how Sonic acts and wishes to put an end to this corruption. And let's face it, Eggman is crafty enough to come up with a form of technology to forcefully remove one's access to the power of the Chaos Emeralds. This could lead to a betrayal of Eggman, using this opportunity to take the Emeralds for himself after he successfully saves Sonic from himself. This puts Sonic in an odd predicament in which he's not so easily trusted by his friends, as he realized he is just as capable of losing himself to that same power all over again with no hope for controlling it. Though despite this, it's his best friend Tails that still trusts Sonic enough to have faith in him learning to control those darker intentions. It teaches him temperance and responsibility of his actions as he can easily be swayed by both sides of the spectrum of Chaos energy. A balance of positive and negative is needed. Through some mental discipline over time, Sonic is able to overcome his susceptibility to the negative energy of the Chaos Emeralds as a whole. It even come to the point where Sonic is able to tap into Dark Sonic once more, but with more control, using it to defeat Eggman and retrieving the Emeralds once more. He learns how to use negative energy properly when it's time to take things seriously, but only uses Dark Super Sonic as a last resort if Super Sonic isn't enough. Only he's responsible for this, and he has to live with it. That's more or less how I would go that route. It's effectively a character arc for Sonic that I feel like would be a nice addition. And yes, it would definitely be a comic story because I imagine it would be hard to pull this off in a game without a separate antagonist pulling the strings up until everything comes to head. Hope you enjoy the read, cheers! :)
Dark Sonic should be incorporated at points where Sonic is at a breaking point. Like if he thinks his friends are all hurt and possibly dead(even if they aren't). Sonic holds back all his anger and resentment at those that anyone who just hate. If anything Sonic's friends are the only ones who are keeping him from loosing it and just not caring anymore. If he thinks he lost them, or if they get hurt really badly, he might snap. And it'll be the ones who harmed his friends that'll regret it.
I think Sonic always has the impulses of Dark Sonic in his subconscious, but he just doesn’t consciously act on them. It’s sonic with his inhibitions lowered. His “shadow self”.
Saiyan Scholar I think it’s even more evident due to the fact that Robotnik was able to talk sonic down instantly, without any struggle at all. And psychologically, maybe that’s why we’ve never seen Dark Sonic again. Because Sonic probably thought “ If even Robotnik is surprised by my behavior, and is making sense, then I’ve really got it get a grip on this thing” so his conscious control is strengthened because now he knows what can happen if he loses himself again. Kinda like Gohan after his fight with Cell.
I think that that dark sonic is like sonic.exe but way more diffrient its like he lets his rage take over and becomes more powerfull the super sonic and you forgot to metion this but ther is a huge gap in between power of darks sonic and super sonic just watch this video Nazo unleashed its good and it shows that dark sonic is way stronger that super sonic.
@@gacha_peeps5239 tbh at 1st i was tinking the same tingy 🙄 but as being EXE ish act. classic sonic being DEAD and ressurected aswell as sonic being demonic i belive tat sonic.EXE ish its own ctr. 🙄 tho tats my opion tho 🙄
Hearing about the danger of Sonic being Dark Sonic is one thing. Hearing that Sonic has control of himself, and his power, when he's Dark Sonic is another.....
Even more worrying when you realize that super sonic was able to take down multiple people who could destroy the world or hell even the universe, imagine what dark sonic could do?
@@phoenixanimationz well based of the games, I’d guess he’d be roughly equal to super sonic since perfect chaos used negative chaos energy and super sonic managed to neutralize it using positive energy.
@@blue-eyeswhitekirbo2543 that's not really the case yeay chaos used negative chaos energy and super sonic neutralized it but dark sonic would be stronger then super sonic in 3 ways 1 anger hatred and rage gets stronger and more powerful faster then love 2 dark super sonic is a fusion between dark sonic and super sonic meaning it has 2 energy sources 3 love it's self can create a far more powerful energy source of anger rage and hatred Chaos has nothing to do with this comparison sence negative and positive energy is something your own soul creates and provides for each other because of this with out a super form a dark super form won't exist and without a dark form tru anger and hatred won't exist
It's crazy the journey sonic has had over the years. From watching my mother play the old Sega games all the way to now its definitely been an interesting ride filled with surprisingly deep lore
I knew there was a reason I loved this one-off moment in the show as a kid. I always wished they’d done more with it. How cool would it have been if this new form had gained its own story arc?
When Sonic uses this form, he doesn’t turn evil, he’s just using his anger to overpower his enemies and is not afraid to kill if push. He still knows who are his friends are and will do whatever he can to protect them by any means necessary. But because of his design, fans think it’s what Sonic turning evil to go nuts to kill his friends for no reason. So far Sonic X version of Sonic is the only one who can achieve it.
But I feel it's the opposite of Super Sonic. The Chao Emeralds released energy through power rings. Maybe Dark Sonic absorbs energy, making it more dangerous than Super Sonic.
That's something that i think about Dark sonic, he's just an angry Sonic with a different look thanks to the power of the fake chaos emeralds. I also think a lot of people forgets about the fact that Dark Sonic was a one time thing that is no related to the real chaos emerald at all. I mean, the fake chaos emeralds were weaker in many ways compared to the chaos emeralds, so the boost given to Sonic might act in the same way, if anything else, the fake emeralds just give Sonic a more intense rage, a new (and cool) look and a small boost. But yeah, the fanbase decide to give it more power compared to what we see in that scene just because it looks cool
I thought during the moment in Sonic Lost World when the Zetis were sucking the life out of the world and attacking Sonic, and Sonic was alone and felt that everything was his fault that that would've been a perfect time for Dark Super Sonic to be unleashed. It could be explained away that all the energy being sucked out of the world was similar to Chaos energy and that all the death caused negative energy to form. Then when the Zetis are hurling boulders and going on about being stronger, we could have Sonic catch and crush one of those boulders as he turns into Dark Sonic, proclaiming something along the lines of, "You're stronger now? Guess what. So am I."
@@Teri_Merii_ I watched a walkthrough of the game a bit ago and I don't think Sonic turning into Dark Super Sonic would be any worse than what's already there. The characters go on about killing each other at least a couple times. I don't think Sonic getting angry and talking about being more powerful would be much worse. And if you mean all the death, causing negative energy. Well, the game does explicitly show that the Zedis are draining the world of its life. We actually see Amy collapse as she tells Sonic she loves him and the life is being drained from her
I feel Dark Sonic should be added to the games, albeit maybe with a tweak or 2 to the origins. Like Dragon Ball GT did with its Black Star Dragon Balls, it could show that there's consequences to using the Chaos Emeralds so frequently.
Sonic Adventure said Perfect Chaos used the negative energy of the emeralds while Sonic used the positive. To make it canon maybe they can have a villain capture him and infuse him with the negative energy🤔 Like Jak in Jak & Daxter 2 with the dark eco experiments done to him.
They should either make dark sonic a separation from sonic(like sonics darkside separated from him) or just let ot be his darkside controlling him..but i like the first idea better)..then they can fuse back together to create a balanced more powerful sonic..hmm
A power I'd give Dark Sonic is to use peoples' shadows against them. As in, he can trap people to the spot or paralyze them by using their shadows as some kind of net. While that sounds kinda lame at first, the fact Dark Sonic can move at light speeds and is in complete control of himself is terrifying. If Dark Sonic is Super Sonic who basically no longer has morals or is so fed up with your shit that he no longer cares about right and wrong, him being able to toy with you like that is horrifying. Maybe he can control people by manipulating their shadows like marionettes?
I wish they would bring this back. This concept would be so cool in a mainline game! Its such an interesting premise, like what if he never snapped out of it? There's too much potential.
Hyper Sonic: Pure and Super Charged Chaos Energy Super Sonic: Positive Chaos Energy Dark Sonic: Negative Chaos Energy Fleetway Super Sonic: Uncontrolled and Unstabilized Chaos Energy/Radiation Nice vid. .w.
I think Sonic has very good control of his emotions, therefore it would be rare for him to turn into Dark Sonic since dark Sonic is made by his inner rage or anguish. So I’m order to see this form more often I would think something very big and traumatic would have to happen like on the Sonic X show.
Dark sonic is sonic rage suppressed from being from using light too long . He needs to find balance. Wish they could have gone deeper with a arc explaining his transformation.
I would love it if Dark Sonic appeared as a plot twist during close to the end of the game or in the final boss. Maybe a plot device splits his dark form from him, almost like fleetway super sonic, which takes the game in a different direction. Maybe Eggman ends up saving Sonic. There’s so much that could happen… Dark Sonic needs to return!
Dark Sonic is a god damn true form! And we need to see him again in the Canon storyline, game or comic. He adds another layer of emotional depth to Sonic's character in showing that even the nicest of people have their breaking points. I'm planning on incorporating Dark Sonic into a fanfic I'm currently writing. Basically, Sonic is forced to return to his childhood home of Christmas Island when his friends receive news that Eggman has built a factory there. Sonic really doesn't want to go back because he was bullied by pretty much everyone on the island who saw him as a freak for his speed and blue color. So he's harboring a lot of repressed anger when he arrives that's just waiting to be let out.
The only bad thing about Dark Sonic is that in the scene he appears, Eggman is a hypocrite. He says: "threatening to kill someone is ok, but actually killing them is going too far", but In the last half of Season 2 of Sonic X (A.K.A Sonic Adventure 2 Adaptation), he threw Sonic out of the Ark with the intention to kill him, he destroyed Prison Island knowning Sonic, Tails and Amy were there with no remorse. I hate how they made Eggman in this scene.
Sonic Forces was quite literally the perfect opportunity for Dark Sonic to appear. A new (apparently) incredibly powerful villain, old villains supposedly uniting, most of the world under Eggman's rule and the final nail in the coffin was that Sonic was apparently tortured for months up on the Death Egg. In any other circumstance (aka a circumstance where #DarkSonicisagoddamntrueform) Dark Sonic would DEFINITELY appear! I mean... seriously SEGA! This is the very definition of wasted potential!
I’d like to see dark sonic in the comics where something bad happens to Sonic’s friends and he finally lets loose as dark sonic but after opening the bottle on those emotions and power letting that part of himself out for the first time it starts to become increasingly difficult to put the lid back on and keep it from popping off again. He would then have to go on a quest to come to terms with it and really learn how to manage his emotions without going into a violent rage. I feel that would be an interesting character arc for him.
I hope he makes an appearance in the new games or anything else Seeing Sonic emotionally pushed over the edge to the point he will rip the bad guys in half with no mercy because they had it coming, Having a form that shows how Sonic acts when he’s purely in meltdown mode is epic as hell.
I like the idea of Dark (super) Sonic, I'm a sucker for the dark side cliché in media, id like to see it in something akin to a Sonic battle remaster of some kind. I like the idea of Sonic's dark form being a source of negative energy that slowly corrupts him, turning his emotions black due to the overuse of chaos emeralds and the draw backs of using them to much? Chaos is energy, energy enriched by the heart, like a filter, maybe that filter can be run down or eroded? Sorry, now I'm just writing fan fiction, hope this idea is what you think as well! Awesome video!
Admittedly, I wish sonic would have transformed when Amy and Cosmo got trapped with Amy replacing Chris in that situation, would’ve built up that dynamic just a little bit more
I've always really enjoyed dark forms of characters ever since I was really little. Things like Dark Sonic, Spider-Man being influenced by the symbiote, and Beyblade Dark Eagle have always really fascinated me, and I think they're all really badass.
Sonic X is really a goldmine of underrated stuff, especially the japanese version (since that it hasn't any censored/altered part-dialog). Ironically i didn't notice at first this transformation, but i think it's very cool.
Yes, indeed. Sonic X is completely one of my favourite cartoons next to Gumball, Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Clarence, Spongebob and We Are Bears.
sonic x was great but the dragon ball community hates it and sonic in general because of super sonic coming out after super sayian and later season of the show being dragon ball gt essentially i never got it it took inspiration from gt so what
Oh my gosh! Thank you for making this video! Dark Sonic is so underappreciated. If I could have that form return, I'd love to see it appear in the upcoming IDW Sonic comics. If you haven't been up to date with the comics from IDW I won't spoil anything. But I can definitely say that the way the story is developing and how Sonic's character is being pushed, I could see Dark Sonic returning. Especially when considering that point you made about all the crud he has gone through. This was an awesome video. Thanks so much for covering this. I hope when you can you can do more videos covering Sonic's other forms. Like Fleetway, Werehog, Darkspine and so forth. Keep up the awesome content!
To know that Dark Sonic is crazy powerful is normal. To understand how brutal he is with his strength is scary. But to know that Sonic could potentially turn into Dark at ANY GIVEN MOMENT... That is true horror.
7:23 Ian doesnt know jack squat about Sonic and friends, even said once that Shadow has zero friends, the fact he doesn't consider this a form of Sonic is ridiculous cause it happened and it was a cool yet scary side of Sonic we never saw before and fans want to see it, if it was me writing Dark Sonic in, id see him as a darker side of Sonic with all the bs hes been through with Robotnik and putting him and his loved ones in danger so many times, I could see it as a negative side effect of the Chaos Emeralds after going super so much, ( NOT like Fleetway )
Wanna know something even more terrifying? Sonic is a hedgehog. Those are normally docile. Tails is a fox. If he had a dark form, which is based on PRIMAL INSTINCT, foxes are predators. I think you know the rest.
@@swordchannelfires His strenght alone can destroy his surroundings, also his bite force would just snap hardened steel. i mean an enraged power boosted crocodile.
Sonic adventure states that Chaos emeralds harness both negative and positive forms of energy, like how the Chao can be neutral, Dark, and good as well.
Could this form bring out his true feelings and backed down rage over the years of fighting Eggman/Robotnik? Scary to see our luvable blue hedgehog possibly becoming a villian!
Sonic Cinema Universe Listen to this person. Listen well and take notes. Your fluffy, goofy, and emotional teenage sonic twisted into a temporary villain, even for a second like in Sonic X, would be a beautiful sight of fiction, and would earn a WHOLE lot of respect from old fans. To top it all off, you already showed us in the first film that sonic has emotional bursts of power. This could be a logical step from that small narrative point. It doesn't have to be in the second movie. If you have plans that would clash if this was added please don't change them just to add Dark sonic. Just keep this in mind as an option that you can choose that will honor the fans, make for a great plot twist, and creates good merch.
some dude act. in way tats a possability as the emerald feed off of w.e emotions are presant soo who knows 🙄 altho they never rwy make sonic act. evil or villanness as chu calk it 😄....tat ish UNLESS were refering too SONIC.EXE but tat vers. or form ish act. dead classic sonic being brought back/possesed soo tat dunt count in a way sence EXE ish rather fanmade tbh 😔 also i tink of EXE as a form of sonic just in a diff. timeline or w.e kinda the same way as in sonic CD and metal sonic as metals a robitc form of sonic and NOT an act. normal robot
@Saima Riaz umm i tink chur kinda wrong on tat 1 😄 its NEVER been stated tat dark sonics invicable wike super sonic/shadow and also shadow dunt have a dark self in the same way tat sonic dose 😄 shadow just weres the inhibeter rings too limit his power nothing more and we dunt know if dark sonic can take damage or not and 3rd note dark sonic CANT be super becuz in order ta go super forms chu need 2 tingys the 1st being the chaos emeralds and 2nd chu need at lest 50 power rings to even go super as chu need more rings too even stay in super form and dark sonic has neather of those 2 tingys as the emeralds he used were fakes
oh and also ALSO shadow dunt have a "boost" form stupid as w.e he used the blue aura or rather the chaos emerald for the good side the power he gets ish 1 of 2 sub abiltys as the chaos emeralds can speed up or stop time 🙄 the chaos emerald on its own eather slows time down soi it seems as if 1s boosting or it stops time completely and it also grants the user the abilty to teleport as seen in both SA2 and sonic 06 shadow uses it to teleport himself and rouge in SA2 and he stops time to freeze silver in 06 and if there are 2 emeralds being used at once it allows the user to make a portal in space time to cover distances in witch normal chaos conteol cant do 😔
No they should introduce Dark Sonic in the Sonic Cinematic Universe. They should make it so that he becomes split from sonic and becomes his own entity or was a dark version of sonic who and make it so he wants to replace and steal his life from the blue devil but ends up failing and decides if he can’t have sonic’s friends as they are, then he’ll create dark clones of themselves and then kill them to replace them with their dark clones e.g. Dark Knuckles, Dark Shadow and Dark Tails.
3:30 this makes sense because remember what they said in sonic x when sonic first transformed into super sonic they said chaos emeralds are fueled with positive as well as negative energy and chaos was filled with negative energy when he transformed
A way they could bring back Dark Super Sonic is if they bring back Mephiles, Mephiles is just Pure cunning and evil, and Mephiles killed Sonic with ease in Adventure 2. So i could definitely see Mephiles maybe killing one of Sonics close friends, and Sonic becoming so enraged that he actually would be able to match Mephiles' Power. and a while after their fight, Sonic would unlock another Part of Dark Super and absolutely Demolish Mephiles, But IDK, maybe He could come back in one of the Movies or in a Comic.
4:03 kratos, nero or anyone with some kind of rage meter/ form for that matter dark super shadow, with his inhibitor rings off would probably kill him immediately
See titles: dark sonic explained Me: OMG SONIC EMO but actually dark sonic was a amazing form yet so much potential btw 1st stage of dark sonic should be called semi-dark sonic and btw what u said about light and dark thats my theory too
Personally, if I wrote it into any Sonic story; I would have Dark Sonic as a unstable version of his Super form. As in, it's incomplete since the transformation focuses on his negative emotions. In honesty, the form kinda reminded me of Goku's False Super Saiyan transformation shown in the Lord Slug movie.
ohhh i wike the idea of DS being an unstable vers. of super form it would make sence tbh 😄 of and dids chu guys know tat the ORIG. super sonic was act. evil and NOT the good 1 we all know and wuv today 😄
@@trawiler1055 ik tat wat im saying tho was the guy who made dark sonic stated tat this form didnt count as a super form its more of a temp. sub form tat sonic used in sonicX becuz he was surrounded by fake C.Es if chu look up dark sonics profile its states tat sonic was only able to use the form 1 time becuz they end up destorying the fake emerolds and those are wats needed to obtaine this sp. form also acording too the anime the creators decited tat they didnt want this form being a super form trancformation due to the way it had ta be used 😣
Dark sonic was kinda hinted at in adventure 1 when Tikal say the choas emeralds can't be used to save people they just feed off hate which is why choas when out of control but sonic pulls out the choatic power of positive emotion so the choas power sonic pulls from the emerald the positive emotion lead to super sonic but the negative emotion that choas pulled from the emerald if used by sonic would turn to dark sonic Edi:t I think the reason the fake emeralds brought out dark sonic almost unwillingly is because they were devoid of and positive energy hense his weird feeling towards them sonic naturally pulls power from the emeralds just being near them so with so much negatives energy and his worked up stated he probably started pulling the negative energy of the fake emeralds by habit if they were real emeralds he probably would have gone normal super sonic since he would have had a positive well to draw from so I'd say the instinct part of it was his natural instinct to pull power from the emeralds since he's so drawn to them naturally but his avoidence if using negative energy and emotion keeps him good but just being near pure dark energy he naturally pulled it in slowly altering him
Sonic being able to absorb radiant energy from any of the emeralds which serve as focal points for Chaos Energy may not even be a process that's left up to him to decide on. Could be that if you're exposed to it at least once before, and you become acclimatised to the doses you'll just start to naturally feed off the radiation wherever it may show up.
@@chocolatesensei5648 tikal literally state sonic should not be able to turn supersonic because the emeralds are inherently bad so I think I'm looking just the right amount into it also you litteraly have no idea when dark sonic was conceptualized he could have been planned and scrapped for adventure for all anyone knows
@@N3RD-13 I never said anything about super sonic and if dark sonic was a concept at the time they're would be concept art or data files on him or some information the creators told at the time. Sonic x made was years after adventure so maybe around adventure 2 MAYBE
5:08 Oh my god, yes, it really does. His name was always Eggman from the beginning. It was just localized to, "Robotnik" in the English localization. "Robotnik" wasn't an actual name within the Sonic series until SA2 with Professor Gerald Robotnik.
There is a mention in some of the comics and sonic adventures that the caos emerarlds posses both positive and negative energie, so both transformation are possible and i believe that IDW might use this because of the dificult time sonic go throught whit some of the freedom fighters being angry at him like espio.
@@Archon006 are you trying to make a sonic vs shadow debate my friend couse if you are you must remember shadow had a dark form as well sence the red glowing form in shadow the hedgehog when the dark gauge is full unleashes all of shadows negative chaos energy so dark shadow would like to have a word with you shadow also has a counter fit form to dark shadow also from shadow the hedgehog it's called hero shadow who would nutritive dark sonic from his anger and rage sence love and friendship is naturally what anger hatred and rage are weak to so hero shadow would stop dark sonic just by existing
@@Archon006 Alright dude I'm a dark sonic fan but your taking it to far if shadow goes super he's basically beats him because dark sonic is with fake choas emeralds and super shadow is the og real Version of the choas emeralds it's the sad truth and you basically can't prove anything wrong.
umm dids chu RWY just have the downright nerve ta say BIG was the best ctr. 🙄 i hope chur being sarcastic cuz as much as im ashamed ta say it BIG was morea less a waste ctr. and TATS saying a SHITON comming froms meh as im a neko and ❤/adore the hell outa alk kittys but BIGS well nots a good ctr. even for being a side ctr. 😔
I consider Darkspine or Werehog to be Sonic's "canonical" dark super form. However the Cosmo plant from the end of Sonic X does appear in a lot of art involving tales of workshop which actually makes me wonder if season 3 happened. Obviously Sonic X season 1 & 2 couldn't have. happened cuz it would retcon Sonic Adventure 1 and 2.
I feel that the Dark Sonic form in Sonic X is primarily a result of his adverse reaction to the energies of the Fake Chaos Emeralds, lowering his inhibitions and making him more susceptible to enragement. For some reason, whenever someone tries to create a Chaos Emerald artificially, they forget that the emeralds are named for their seemingly unstable-yet-stable fluctuation of both Positive and Negative Energies, giving them their endless power-generating quality - it's their universe's equivalent to an Improbability Engine. Thus the resulting forgeries often have the annoying quality of only generating the easier-to-create Negative Energy and aiming for a similar Resonant Wavelength to replicate the effects. It's this Resonant Wavelength that others use to pinpoint the location of a Chaos Emerald, which is why they were led to the laboratory initially - it's also why certain beings can tap into their power. We know that beings can work with either the Positive or Negative sides of the Emerald's power, but not whether any living entity can be truly compatible with the full infinite energy of the gems. Super Sonic can function off of solely the Positive, and most inorganic entities and machines run off of the Negative. Perfect Chaos, while supposedly the most probable entity to be capable of using the full raw power of the Chaos Emeralds, still only used the Negative energies to transform - meaning even it may be incompatible with using both sides of them simultaneously! Tl;dr, Dark Sonic is Sonic resonating with the Fake Emeralds, tainting his attitude with the purely Negative energy emitted from them. And when enraged by the Metarex's treatment of his friends, the Negative Chaos Energy flows into him, beginning to transform into Dark Super Sonic - the missing pupils are reminiscent of DarkSpine Sonic, who was actually known in the lore of The Secret Rings as an unstoppable force of Destruction, and the shape of his body becomes an identical black silhouette of his Super Sonic persona. If Egg-... I mean *Robotnik!* hadn't manipulated Sonic into calming down, I feel that he would've been much more reckless with tearing that Metarex apart (think Eva-01's feral attack on the first Angel in Evangelion) and would be likely to snap at anyone trying to tell him to stop - and potentially hurting his friends in doing so. That would lead to a downward spiral of depression and anger that the Fake Emeralds would feed into, until he 'burnt out' - destroying the facility and everything/every_one_ in it, and probably the general vicinity in space, too! Dark Sonic is very much like the Werehog in that it's a more primal instinct-driven state, just induced by a different means and the resulting qualities sharing similarities with Sonic's Positive-energy Chaos empowerment states.
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Super Sonic: Positive energy.
Dark Super Sonic: Negative energy.
Fleetway: Uncontrollable energy.
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Now throw it all into a pot and stir it up, and what do ya get? A big mess.
Or a potentially great story arc for Sonic exploring his different power-ups. Either way.
Blue Super Sonic: ??? energy.
@@mr.incognitoyt2235 😂 DBS reference. But I should say God energy, however that gives me thoughts about Hyper Sonic's energy. Perhaps Super Positive energy? Or that IS God energy? I need to know more.
Sans Spinel • 6,000 years ago
AKA Sonic
I don't really see Dark Sonic as a villain, more like this overprotective and enraged form that takes fighting his enemies to the extreme.
It seems like a more artificial way of creating one of those situations where he may actually willingly roll with showing his darker emotions if it means accomplishing something just that important. A guilty conscience after temporarily throwing out one piece of morality out the window would be a small price to pay for the safety of you and your loved ones. Sometimes, you just have to accept the fact you'll have to wield a power you may not be comfortable with. Because if you don't and continue to fear power completely, someone else with questionable or ulterior motives will take it.
@@christhechilled Yeah, basically
@@christhechilled so, shadow
@@-jay-2993 😂😂 pretty much
@@Hichigo1554 Lmao
I just realized, in Unleashed’s opening cutscene, when Eggman says “I’ll turn over a new leaf I swear!” Super sonic sort of believed him as he then says “Showing remorse Eggman?” part of me thinks that because of the emerald’s positive energy granting his super form, and Sonic’s general attitude of caring for others in his own way, he actually believed him for a second, we also know thanks to Adventure and chaos using the “negative” energy of the emeralds, maybe the classic chaos emeralds could also activate Sonic’s dark form if he just let anger consume him, idk but it’s something interesting i noticed when watching this video, even though no one might even see this…
Makes sense
Exactly what I was thinking.
Bro... You just got me thinking, what if instead of the Werehog it would've been the dark form of Sonic?!
Yep I agree
I see it
I’ve always found it more interesting to make “Dark” versions of characters retain the same goals, just with twisted morals, they’re not necessarily evil, they still fight the good fight, they just don’t hold back and use any means necessary. It can make for an interesting conversation about a hero’s morals, do they simply lack the ability to do what’s necessary, or is there such a thing as going too far? Personally I fall into the former but it does rely alot on context, and contextually if a “dark” hero has a serious blood lust then they are going too far.
I like writing characters like this too. The main hero is an intelligent humanitarian at his core. His usurper clone created by his enemies shares his goal, but since they altered his brain surgically, he's got a very psychopathic ideals about how make a better world. The main hero may dislike waste and stupidity, his twisted reflection takes that frustration of imperfection to genocidal levels.
Another time I wrote a regenerator whose ability went haywire creating a clone with not only the same body, but the same memories from the time of the incident. The clone renames himself, is thorn in his side because he knows exactly how to push his buttons. His double goes out of his way to differentiate himself from the orginal. They get into bloody fights over the same woman. It's a fun perspective on have and have not of the same character.
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This is why Roy Mustang's arc in FMAB with Envy and Lust is so good. They do that really well
Can't believe SEGA wasted this cool looking form
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Not to mention the "Nazo" Hyper Sonic form from the Pilot Episode.
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They could have made a game about dark energy and have us play as dark Sonic
im waiting for a fan to make a game since they pretty much made the best sonic game in a decade
Some wise guy: Never raise your fists in anger-
*Dark Sonic: IS THAT A CHALLENGE!?*
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Ooooo roasted
*DeltaBlazin'X* sh*t
**Laugh's in super Saiyan**
Lol
Words cannot express how much I truly appreciate this video. it's not just competent, it admits to its own conjecture AND it's funny to boot.
Everyone's said it already, but Dark Super Sonic (and Dark Sonic by association) IS theoretically a canon form of Sonic. Remember in SA1, how Chaos used the negative energy of the chaos emeralds to turn into perfect chaos while Sonic used the positive energy still left inside the chaos emeralds? What if Sonic uses the negative chaos energy inside of the emeralds at one point instead? He'd most likely become Super Dark Sonic instead of the golden hog' we all know and love, since that one is a purely positive chaos energy transformation.
too bad Sega nor IDW want to sweep this super cool form under the rug for good. It'd be awesome to have in in some form of game or comic plot one day.
I like that dark sonic isn't like an evil version, it's just Sonic with a blodlust
Yep
i see Dark Sonic as just Sonic no longer concerned with holding back, nothing super, just not restricting himself and eggman being able to bring him out of it is because he realized the one person who not only knows him well but also understands being the bad guy well is looking at him with disappointment for what he has become.
Not true lol well he has base forms but also has super forms and he's not like sonic holding back lol
Dark sonic is not sonic this video just explained it and it's Canon
Dark sonic doesn't hold back but he's not like sonic no longer concerned with holding back he has more power then sonic not holding back and he turns super when he uses chaos emeralds
Movie Sonic doesn't hold back on his Eggman
@@maxaxe1941 he still does bro fr powers up at the point when it's serious
I can see dark sonic appearing in the third live action movie. Just seems like a good direction for that movie to go in with it introducing Shadow and could be a nice spin on Sonic's character development, similar to Spiderman and the black suit.
Would be nice to see Dark Super Sonic revived from the official comic or animation series, he's so underrated
Dark Sonic is an official form no matter what! He's wasted potential!
I agree he has wasted potential
@@matilo4851 It would be cool to see Sonic lost his cool against a villain in the game and go Dark Sonic and wreck them.
Soo true. **cough** Silver**COUGH**
@@JayRedGear imagine playing as him!
@@JayRedGear I really want to see dark sonic make an appearance in a game
"Beware the fury of an kind-hearted and gentle person"
Hello giratina
This is Giratina in his emo phase.
Demons run when a good man goes to war.
@@A.S._Trunks true
That comment makes sense, Giratina.
I really wish they'd use this form more, even in X it was a tonal shift; but a welcome and interesting one. It's a somewhat sterotypical, hero pushed to the edge and snaps type vibe and I think sonic needs more of that.
Also, great video! Got me reliving the nostalgia :)
I gotta agree with this conclusion. However, I've made a conclusion of my own as well. For me, I think Dark Sonic manifested because of the energy the fake chaos emeralds gave off, and because he was truly enraged when he saw just how hurt and scared Chris and Cosmo were. For me, I think Dark Sonic exsisted because while when Sonic uses the chaos emeralds he uses the positive side, having to always maintain a certain image infront of the public and Sonic's nature in not wanting to worry his friends, would cause Sonic to focus on his positive emotions and bottle up his negative emotions, which would in turn lead up to his negative emotions building up at an excessive rate and it would be bottled up so much and so bad, to where I think Dark Sonic would have had long since in the anime Sonic X manifested and would have simply been a being that existed in Sonic's mindscape, but made his first appearance in episode 67 when he was truly, and openly, enraged beyond his self control. I think that he did, as Dark Sonic have full control of his actions, as when he is Super Sonic he has full control of his actions, so why not be able to have full control of his actions as his dark form? But due to how enraged he was and he was enraged so openly and freely, and with how enraged he was with and at Black Narcissus, he didn't hold back and let go of some of the negative emotions he was so constantly and heavily bottling up. This is simply what I think though. Sorry that it's so long, and sorry if some of it doesn't make sense.
Dark sonic would really fit in the current comics.
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Wasn't dark Sonic in Sonic and the Secret Rings? Not a super form but there was a "Dark Sonic". Believe there was also a red Sonic and green Sonic. Not really worth playing to find out though. Definitely worst game in the franchise.
@@Skylancer727 you must be talking about darkspine Sonic the super form for that game when Sonic gets 3 or 4 of the world rings. Where Sonic also showed a more evil take like dark Sonic when in that form.
@@Skylancer727 Since when was he Mario and Luigi in that game?
@@RedTHedge That sounds like the Sonic Lost World player vs player mode.
I thought I was the only one that remembered this. They could have done so much more with this form. Such a waste
If you want to see more of it, it appears in the old fan film, Nazo Unleashed, and it's pretty similar to Darkspine Sonic from Sonic And The Secret Rings
I absolutely agree.
That One Dude maybe they don’t use Dark Sonic more because the character of Shadow already exists, so if DS sticks around, then what’s the need for Shadow? He would end up getting pushed aside, like he did to knuckles.
Waspscream 01 I saw it
@@jamessamuelramsey5507 I agree with Darkspine Sonic being similar to Dark Super Sonic. Though, Darkspine Sonic is using all the negative emotion based World Rings, so it's basically just taking whatever anger he had towards Erazor already and amplified it. From what I've gathered here, Dark Super Sonic is basically just Sonic's survival instinct going out of whack.
Also, it DID appear in Nazo Unleashed... for a few seconds, and even if it was for longer, it would, by word of god, be unable to do anything against Nazo due to their shared origins of negative Chaos energy.
Here's what I'd do to go about a Dark Sonic storyline. Piggybacking off of something another commenter said regarding Sonic Unleashed and how Sonic acted towards Eggman's false pleas of surrender, the story could be focused around how the positive energy of the Chaos Emeralds could make Sonic naïve when he goes Super Sonic, and he starts to realize it. It can be a story based around an overreliance on the Chaos Emeralds and causing him to start having darker thoughts, the Emeralds feeding on them.
Basically, those darker thoughts of the Chaos Emeralds making him naive and such rise to the surface and even someone like Shadow could feel that something is definitely off. At first, Sonic seems to be a lot more well-rounded in his personality and taking certain things more seriously and with less of a happy go-lucky attitude. Shadow may be trying to explain that something about Sonic isn't sitting right with him, but he's either shrugged off or possibly convinced that Sonic has taken a somewhat different outlook on life.
But the longer Sonic thinks this way, the more his personality sways into darker intentions, even acting in ways that are very unbecoming of him. He's more aggressive, and shows far less mercy. This could in fact lead to the initial base Dark Sonic, which there's now a physical indication that something's wrong and cannot be denied any longer. Even Sonic himself realizes what is going on but isn't put off by it. Even Shadow figures out what it is he has been feeling and doesn't like the implications of what Sonic is tapping into.
This could lead to a road where Sonic has now become an antagonist, and Shadow may be the only one powerful enough to stop him. A battle between the positive and negative energy of the Chaos Emeralds, revealing Dark Super Sonic and forcing a battle with him and Super Shadow. This causes a great deal of destruction by the battle alone. Even Sonic's other friends attempt to stop Sonic by trying to remind him of the person he was and this isn't him right now. But the negative energy's hold on Sonic becomes apparent.
It comes to a head where even Robotnik gets involved, maybe not too long after an encounter with Dark Sonic that unsettled him to the point where even he can't stand how Sonic acts and wishes to put an end to this corruption. And let's face it, Eggman is crafty enough to come up with a form of technology to forcefully remove one's access to the power of the Chaos Emeralds. This could lead to a betrayal of Eggman, using this opportunity to take the Emeralds for himself after he successfully saves Sonic from himself.
This puts Sonic in an odd predicament in which he's not so easily trusted by his friends, as he realized he is just as capable of losing himself to that same power all over again with no hope for controlling it. Though despite this, it's his best friend Tails that still trusts Sonic enough to have faith in him learning to control those darker intentions. It teaches him temperance and responsibility of his actions as he can easily be swayed by both sides of the spectrum of Chaos energy. A balance of positive and negative is needed.
Through some mental discipline over time, Sonic is able to overcome his susceptibility to the negative energy of the Chaos Emeralds as a whole. It even come to the point where Sonic is able to tap into Dark Sonic once more, but with more control, using it to defeat Eggman and retrieving the Emeralds once more. He learns how to use negative energy properly when it's time to take things seriously, but only uses Dark Super Sonic as a last resort if Super Sonic isn't enough. Only he's responsible for this, and he has to live with it.
That's more or less how I would go that route. It's effectively a character arc for Sonic that I feel like would be a nice addition. And yes, it would definitely be a comic story because I imagine it would be hard to pull this off in a game without a separate antagonist pulling the strings up until everything comes to head. Hope you enjoy the read, cheers! :)
Dark Sonic should be incorporated at points where Sonic is at a breaking point. Like if he thinks his friends are all hurt and possibly dead(even if they aren't). Sonic holds back all his anger and resentment at those that anyone who just hate. If anything Sonic's friends are the only ones who are keeping him from loosing it and just not caring anymore. If he thinks he lost them, or if they get hurt really badly, he might snap. And it'll be the ones who harmed his friends that'll regret it.
I think Sonic always has the impulses of Dark Sonic in his subconscious, but he just doesn’t consciously act on them. It’s sonic with his inhibitions lowered. His “shadow self”.
That makes sense yes!
Saiyan Scholar I think it’s even more evident due to the fact that Robotnik was able to talk sonic down instantly, without any struggle at all. And psychologically, maybe that’s why we’ve never seen Dark Sonic again. Because Sonic probably thought “ If even Robotnik is surprised by my behavior, and is making sense, then I’ve really got it get a grip on this thing” so his conscious control is strengthened because now he knows what can happen if he loses himself again. Kinda like Gohan after his fight with Cell.
Michael Head
Indeed
I think that that dark sonic is like sonic.exe but way more diffrient its like he lets his rage take over and becomes more powerfull the super sonic and you forgot to metion this but ther is a huge gap in between power of darks sonic and super sonic just watch this video Nazo unleashed its good and it shows that dark sonic is way stronger that super sonic.
@@gacha_peeps5239 tbh at 1st i was tinking the same tingy 🙄 but as being EXE ish act. classic sonic being DEAD and ressurected aswell as sonic being demonic i belive tat sonic.EXE ish its own ctr. 🙄 tho tats my opion tho 🙄
Hearing about the danger of Sonic being Dark Sonic is one thing.
Hearing that Sonic has control of himself, and his power, when he's Dark Sonic is another.....
Even more worrying when you realize that super sonic was able to take down multiple people who could destroy the world or hell even the universe, imagine what dark sonic could do?
@@phoenixanimationz well based of the games, I’d guess he’d be roughly equal to super sonic since perfect chaos used negative chaos energy and super sonic managed to neutralize it using positive energy.
Yep
@@blue-eyeswhitekirbo2543 that's not really the case yeay chaos used negative chaos energy and super sonic neutralized it but dark sonic would be stronger then super sonic in 3 ways
1 anger hatred and rage gets stronger and more powerful faster then love
2 dark super sonic is a fusion between dark sonic and super sonic meaning it has 2 energy sources
3 love it's self can create a far more powerful energy source of anger rage and hatred
Chaos has nothing to do with this comparison sence negative and positive energy is something your own soul creates and provides for each other because of this with out a super form a dark super form won't exist and without a dark form tru anger and hatred won't exist
@@shadowfield2788 May I ask where you got this information from?
It's crazy the journey sonic has had over the years. From watching my mother play the old Sega games all the way to now its definitely been an interesting ride filled with surprisingly deep lore
I knew there was a reason I loved this one-off moment in the show as a kid. I always wished they’d done more with it. How cool would it have been if this new form had gained its own story arc?
When Sonic uses this form, he doesn’t turn evil, he’s just using his anger to overpower his enemies and is not afraid to kill if push.
He still knows who are his friends are and will do whatever he can to protect them by any means necessary.
But because of his design, fans think it’s what Sonic turning evil to go nuts to kill his friends for no reason.
So far Sonic X version of Sonic is the only one who can achieve it.
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I agree with this. He becomes an angry protector like.... Batman
But I feel it's the opposite of Super Sonic. The Chao Emeralds released energy through power rings. Maybe Dark Sonic absorbs energy, making it more dangerous than Super Sonic.
Yes just like shadow
That's something that i think about Dark sonic, he's just an angry Sonic with a different look thanks to the power of the fake chaos emeralds. I also think a lot of people forgets about the fact that Dark Sonic was a one time thing that is no related to the real chaos emerald at all.
I mean, the fake chaos emeralds were weaker in many ways compared to the chaos emeralds, so the boost given to Sonic might act in the same way, if anything else, the fake emeralds just give Sonic a more intense rage, a new (and cool) look and a small boost. But yeah, the fanbase decide to give it more power compared to what we see in that scene just because it looks cool
I thought during the moment in Sonic Lost World when the Zetis were sucking the life out of the world and attacking Sonic, and Sonic was alone and felt that everything was his fault that that would've been a perfect time for Dark Super Sonic to be unleashed. It could be explained away that all the energy being sucked out of the world was similar to Chaos energy and that all the death caused negative energy to form.
Then when the Zetis are hurling boulders and going on about being stronger, we could have Sonic catch and crush one of those boulders as he turns into Dark Sonic, proclaiming something along the lines of, "You're stronger now? Guess what. So am I."
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Storytelling like this will never happen under Graff and Pontac 😔
Sonic Lost World's story was too silly and stupid for such a dark and cool concept like that.
Remember tho... Rated E for Everyone
@@Teri_Merii_ I watched a walkthrough of the game a bit ago and I don't think Sonic turning into Dark Super Sonic would be any worse than what's already there. The characters go on about killing each other at least a couple times. I don't think Sonic getting angry and talking about being more powerful would be much worse.
And if you mean all the death, causing negative energy. Well, the game does explicitly show that the Zedis are draining the world of its life. We actually see Amy collapse as she tells Sonic she loves him and the life is being drained from her
everytime i see a clip of dark sonic i always think back to the simpler times when dragon ball/sonic amv's were all i needed
I feel Dark Sonic should be added to the games, albeit maybe with a tweak or 2 to the origins. Like Dragon Ball GT did with its Black Star Dragon Balls, it could show that there's consequences to using the Chaos Emeralds so frequently.
Sonic Is already a rip off of DragonBallZ we don't need more dbz/sonic fans to argue more about the comparisons.
@@fadjabarry2022 Keep crying
@@fadjabarry2022 ok and? This addition would take the storytelling of Sonic to another level. No one cares about Dragon Ball fanboy opinions
@@fadjabarry2022 L bozo mad
Same I hope it’s in frontiers 2
Who else laughed when he said "and for the love of God do not steal his chilli dogs" 😂😂
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Same!
Ikr lol!
@@bzking24 what
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Sonic Adventure said Perfect Chaos used the negative energy of the emeralds while Sonic used the positive. To make it canon maybe they can have a villain capture him and infuse him with the negative energy🤔 Like Jak in Jak & Daxter 2 with the dark eco experiments done to him.
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Holy shit you’re right..!
That some smart shit right there!
I like this!
And bonus points for mentioning jak and daxter
They should either make dark sonic a separation from sonic(like sonics darkside separated from him) or just let ot be his darkside controlling him..but i like the first idea better)..then they can fuse back together to create a balanced more powerful sonic..hmm
A power I'd give Dark Sonic is to use peoples' shadows against them. As in, he can trap people to the spot or paralyze them by using their shadows as some kind of net. While that sounds kinda lame at first, the fact Dark Sonic can move at light speeds and is in complete control of himself is terrifying. If Dark Sonic is Super Sonic who basically no longer has morals or is so fed up with your shit that he no longer cares about right and wrong, him being able to toy with you like that is horrifying. Maybe he can control people by manipulating their shadows like marionettes?
I wish they would bring this back. This concept would be so cool in a mainline game! Its such an interesting premise, like what if he never snapped out of it? There's too much potential.
Hyper Sonic: Pure and Super Charged Chaos Energy
Super Sonic: Positive Chaos Energy
Dark Sonic: Negative Chaos Energy
Fleetway Super Sonic: Uncontrolled and Unstabilized Chaos Energy/Radiation
Nice vid. .w.
Fleetway Super Sonic: Chaos, chaos, chaos
Fleetway Super Sonic would actually get along really well with Jevil as they both act so similar with thinking life as a game.
@@sirderiusholmes2862 Yep. -w-
They really wouldn’t
Darkspine Sonic: The closest thing to Dark Sonic
"dont steal his chillidog" true words my friend 😔
I read this at the same time he said it
I think Sonic has very good control of his emotions, therefore it would be rare for him to turn into Dark Sonic since dark Sonic is made by his inner rage or anguish. So I’m order to see this form more often I would think something very big and traumatic would have to happen like on the Sonic X show.
Dark sonic is one of my favorite variations of sonic, I love it when good guys let loose and run wild & let it go.
I swear this form is the definition of wasted potential. Knowing sonic had to fight his dark side would have been amazing.
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@@SaiyanScholar it won't be wasted potential in my Sonic manga
it won’t be wasted in my fanfic in a fanfic
Imagine a game where Dark Sonic is the villain and someone other than Sonic saves the day like eggman, shadow, blaze or even silver
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Fortunately i grew up on shadow in my view shadow ia the best and the hero so plus the story with shadow and mephilies so o can see that happening
@@shadowmoon3062 i feel you. my first sonic game was shadow the hedgehog... (very ironic)
that is somewhat like what happens with fleetway sonic
*sound like Sonic.exe but without much blood*
I really want some more things with Dark Sonic. Either it be a game, comic, or show.
I want MORE
YES MORE MORE MOREEEEEE UGHHH RIGHT THERE RIGHT THEREE UGHHHHH
Sonic team needs to put him In frontiers 2
The one thing I want out of life is a Crush 40 song for Dark Sonic
"What would you want dark sonic to be in? The games, the comics?"
Me: "DF- ALL OF THEM!!$
Lol
WolfSpider Vers 😂🤣🤣
Dark sonic is sonic rage suppressed from being from using light too long . He needs to find balance. Wish they could have gone deeper with a arc explaining his transformation.
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Well there is an image in a "beta" intro for sonic x with a white sonic which people called Nazo, maybe that white sonic was gonna be a balanced form
@@Bradon_Ray hyper form the ultimste balance of chaos
@@Bradon_Ray My god, they predicted UI/MUI
Bonzi Buddy
No
I can hear "Live and Learn" in the background and it's really fitting.
I would love it if Dark Sonic appeared as a plot twist during close to the end of the game or in the final boss. Maybe a plot device splits his dark form from him, almost like fleetway super sonic, which takes the game in a different direction. Maybe Eggman ends up saving Sonic. There’s so much that could happen… Dark Sonic needs to return!
I quite like the dark blue color scheme for Sonic
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Dark Sonic is a god damn true form! And we need to see him again in the Canon storyline, game or comic. He adds another layer of emotional depth to Sonic's character in showing that even the nicest of people have their breaking points.
I'm planning on incorporating Dark Sonic into a fanfic I'm currently writing. Basically, Sonic is forced to return to his childhood home of Christmas Island when his friends receive news that Eggman has built a factory there. Sonic really doesn't want to go back because he was bullied by pretty much everyone on the island who saw him as a freak for his speed and blue color. So he's harboring a lot of repressed anger when he arrives that's just waiting to be let out.
Sooo update on the fanfic?
The only bad thing about Dark Sonic is that in the scene he appears, Eggman is a hypocrite. He says: "threatening to kill someone is ok, but actually killing them is going too far", but In the last half of Season 2 of Sonic X (A.K.A Sonic Adventure 2 Adaptation), he threw Sonic out of the Ark with the intention to kill him, he destroyed Prison Island knowning Sonic, Tails and Amy were there with no remorse. I hate how they made Eggman in this scene.
Dark Sonic’s form would’ve fit so well in the Adventure era games.
Sonic Forces was quite literally the perfect opportunity for Dark Sonic to appear. A new (apparently) incredibly powerful villain, old villains supposedly uniting, most of the world under Eggman's rule and the final nail in the coffin was that Sonic was apparently tortured for months up on the Death Egg. In any other circumstance (aka a circumstance where #DarkSonicisagoddamntrueform) Dark Sonic would DEFINITELY appear! I mean... seriously SEGA! This is the very definition of wasted potential!
EXACTLY. This is just one of several ways on how Forces could've been able to be spoken of in the same breath as Colors and Generations.
I wish they did use him more. There’s so much potential with a form like that!
I’d like to see dark sonic in the comics where something bad happens to Sonic’s friends and he finally lets loose as dark sonic but after opening the bottle on those emotions and power letting that part of himself out for the first time it starts to become increasingly difficult to put the lid back on and keep it from popping off again. He would then have to go on a quest to come to terms with it and really learn how to manage his emotions without going into a violent rage. I feel that would be an interesting character arc for him.
I hope he makes an appearance in the new games or anything else
Seeing Sonic emotionally pushed over the edge to the point he will rip the bad guys in half with no mercy because they had it coming, Having a form that shows how Sonic acts when he’s purely in meltdown mode is epic as hell.
I like the idea of Dark (super) Sonic, I'm a sucker for the dark side cliché in media, id like to see it in something akin to a Sonic battle remaster of some kind. I like the idea of Sonic's dark form being a source of negative energy that slowly corrupts him, turning his emotions black due to the overuse of chaos emeralds and the draw backs of using them to much? Chaos is energy, energy enriched by the heart, like a filter, maybe that filter can be run down or eroded? Sorry, now I'm just writing fan fiction, hope this idea is what you think as well!
Awesome video!
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That sounds like the Fleetway version of Super Sonic.
You know more than you realize
Can you make into a fan fiction I'd read itttttt!!
terra act. tats a RWY good/neat idea 😄
Admittedly, I wish sonic would have transformed when Amy and Cosmo got trapped with Amy replacing Chris in that situation, would’ve built up that dynamic just a little bit more
Spider59er u do have a good point also, fuck Chris as a whole ass character
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If Amy was their dark Sonic probably going to kill someone ther and only Amy would be able to calm him down
*cough* sonamy fans *cough*
@@emceemunchapussy1891 Exactly what I was thinking
I've always really enjoyed dark forms of characters ever since I was really little. Things like Dark Sonic, Spider-Man being influenced by the symbiote, and Beyblade Dark Eagle have always really fascinated me, and I think they're all really badass.
Dark Sonic is sonic, just extremely pissed off. It's just a form he takes when he hits the boiling point of his pure rage
Sonic X is really a goldmine of underrated stuff, especially the japanese version (since that it hasn't any censored/altered part-dialog). Ironically i didn't notice at first this transformation, but i think it's very cool.
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Yes, indeed. Sonic X is completely one of my favourite cartoons next to Gumball, Steven Universe, Adventure Time, Clarence, Spongebob and We Are Bears.
sonic x was great but the dragon ball community hates it and sonic in general because of super sonic coming out after super sayian and later season of the show being dragon ball gt essentially i never got it it took inspiration from gt so what
Oh my gosh! Thank you for making this video! Dark Sonic is so underappreciated.
If I could have that form return, I'd love to see it appear in the upcoming IDW Sonic comics. If you haven't been up to date with the comics from IDW I won't spoil anything. But I can definitely say that the way the story is developing and how Sonic's character is being pushed, I could see Dark Sonic returning. Especially when considering that point you made about all the crud he has gone through.
This was an awesome video. Thanks so much for covering this. I hope when you can you can do more videos covering Sonic's other forms. Like Fleetway, Werehog, Darkspine and so forth.
Keep up the awesome content!
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Saiyan Scholar can you make a video about fleetway super sonic
Is dark sonic based on fleetway super sonic
@@gabeheartz13saravia97 no
ShadAmy Artist Fleetway is just an evil super sonic though. Not a special form.
To know that Dark Sonic is crazy powerful is normal.
To understand how brutal he is with his strength is scary.
But to know that Sonic could potentially turn into Dark at ANY GIVEN MOMENT...
That is true horror.
7:23 Ian doesnt know jack squat about Sonic and friends, even said once that Shadow has zero friends, the fact he doesn't consider this a form of Sonic is ridiculous cause it happened and it was a cool yet scary side of Sonic we never saw before and fans want to see it, if it was me writing Dark Sonic in, id see him as a darker side of Sonic with all the bs hes been through with Robotnik and putting him and his loved ones in danger so many times, I could see it as a negative side effect of the Chaos Emeralds after going super so much, ( NOT like Fleetway )
I want to be in the timeline where this was a legit thing used in the sonic series. A dark Sonic that isn't Shadow sounds WICKED.
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Wanna know something even more terrifying?
Sonic is a hedgehog. Those are normally docile.
Tails is a fox. If he had a dark form, which is based on PRIMAL INSTINCT, foxes are predators.
I think you know the rest.
Lol u right
But tails is much weaker
*genocide route intensifies*
What if vector had a dark form too that would be the most terrifying thing ever
@@swordchannelfires His strenght alone can destroy his surroundings, also his bite force would just snap hardened steel. i mean an enraged power boosted crocodile.
Remember Sonic once said "I told you. I don't mind being the bad guy every now and then"
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I love this added sassy joke.
This is literally spiderman and Venom
How? .-.
Im what way at all my guy?
5:20. “Yes, Eggman has a PhD in Bullsh**ing and Convincing.” 😂😂😂
Lol
XD
Sonic adventure states that Chaos emeralds harness both negative and positive forms of energy, like how the Chao can be neutral, Dark, and good as well.
You used the ghetto demigods dark sonic theme at 4:12 you deserve respect for that
Could this form bring out his true feelings and backed down rage over the years of fighting Eggman/Robotnik? Scary to see our luvable blue hedgehog possibly becoming a villian!
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That would make a very interesting story! Now, I kinda wish that it would actually happen.
Sonic Cinema Universe Listen to this person.
Listen well and take notes.
Your fluffy, goofy, and emotional teenage sonic twisted into a temporary villain, even for a second like in Sonic X, would be a beautiful sight of fiction, and would earn a WHOLE lot of respect from old fans.
To top it all off, you already showed us in the first film that sonic has emotional bursts of power. This could be a logical step from that small narrative point.
It doesn't have to be in the second movie.
If you have plans that would clash if this was added please don't change them just to add Dark sonic.
Just keep this in mind as an option that you can choose that will honor the fans, make for a great plot twist, and creates good merch.
some dude act. in way tats a possability as the emerald feed off of w.e emotions are presant soo who knows 🙄 altho they never rwy make sonic act. evil or villanness as chu calk it 😄....tat ish UNLESS were refering too SONIC.EXE but tat vers. or form ish act. dead classic sonic being brought back/possesed soo tat dunt count in a way sence EXE ish rather fanmade tbh 😔 also i tink of EXE as a form of sonic just in a diff. timeline or w.e kinda the same way as in sonic CD and metal sonic as metals a robitc form of sonic and NOT an act. normal robot
SomeDude WhoDraws93 you mean mass murderer
Rage
Stages: Normal sonic
Rage sonic
Dark sonic
sonic e.x.e
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I heard that amazing Dark Sonic theme later in video and I LOVE that theme! It's so cool!
Dark Sonic: I am the evil Super Sonic!
Fleetway Super Sonic: Am I a joke to you?
Dark Sonic: YES
You could also add darkspine sonic as another level of power of dark super sonic
Potentially yes!
@@SaiyanScholar plus i think the sacred rings use negative energy mixed with pyromania
@@thegreatguldo9956 given that he has hatred rage and sadness yeah its basically another level of dark sonic
Like seriously this could have been how they repelled shadow when he was trying to kill cosmo.
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Really was hoping that sonic ran into shadow in this form and kicked the crap out of him
Chris Manning That’s What I’m sayings bro. Would have been a cool fight shadow with no inhibitor rings vs Dark sonic.
@Saima Riaz umm i tink chur kinda wrong on tat 1 😄 its NEVER been stated tat dark sonics invicable wike super sonic/shadow and also shadow dunt have a dark self in the same way tat sonic dose 😄 shadow just weres the inhibeter rings too limit his power nothing more and we dunt know if dark sonic can take damage or not and 3rd note dark sonic CANT be super becuz in order ta go super forms chu need 2 tingys the 1st being the chaos emeralds and 2nd chu need at lest 50 power rings to even go super as chu need more rings too even stay in super form and dark sonic has neather of those 2 tingys as the emeralds he used were fakes
oh and also ALSO shadow dunt have a "boost" form stupid as w.e he used the blue aura or rather the chaos emerald for the good side the power he gets ish 1 of 2 sub abiltys as the chaos emeralds can speed up or stop time 🙄 the chaos emerald on its own eather slows time down soi it seems as if 1s boosting or it stops time completely and it also grants the user the abilty to teleport as seen in both SA2 and sonic 06 shadow uses it to teleport himself and rouge in SA2 and he stops time to freeze silver in 06 and if there are 2 emeralds being used at once it allows the user to make a portal in space time to cover distances in witch normal chaos conteol cant do 😔
No they should introduce Dark Sonic in the Sonic Cinematic Universe. They should make it so that he becomes split from sonic and becomes his own entity or was a dark version of sonic who and make it so he wants to replace and steal his life from the blue devil but ends up failing and decides if he can’t have sonic’s friends as they are, then he’ll create dark clones of themselves and then kill them to replace them with their dark clones e.g. Dark Knuckles, Dark Shadow and Dark Tails.
Love the lore behind it and Dark Sonic will always be my favorite form
3:30 this makes sense because remember what they said in sonic x when sonic first transformed into super sonic they said chaos emeralds are fueled with positive as well as negative energy and chaos was filled with negative energy when he transformed
"Looks like your going back to the drawing board!"
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A way they could bring back Dark Super Sonic is if they bring back Mephiles, Mephiles is just Pure cunning and evil, and Mephiles killed Sonic with ease in Adventure 2. So i could definitely see Mephiles maybe killing one of Sonics close friends, and Sonic becoming so enraged that he actually would be able to match Mephiles' Power. and a while after their fight, Sonic would unlock another Part of Dark Super and absolutely Demolish Mephiles, But IDK, maybe He could come back in one of the Movies or in a Comic.
4:03 kratos, nero or anyone with some kind of rage meter/ form for that matter
dark super shadow, with his inhibitor rings off would probably kill him immediately
I like how he goes straight to the point
Have a Archie Dark Sonic and see the multiverse burn
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That would be cool
marhan 13 *some men want to see the world burn like this guy.*
He gave in to his inner evil.
This man needs to be around more
See titles: dark sonic explained
Me: OMG SONIC EMO
but actually dark sonic was a amazing form yet so much potential btw 1st stage of dark sonic should be called semi-dark sonic and btw what u said about light and dark thats my theory too
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Personally, if I wrote it into any Sonic story; I would have Dark Sonic as a unstable version of his Super form. As in, it's incomplete since the transformation focuses on his negative emotions.
In honesty, the form kinda reminded me of Goku's False Super Saiyan transformation shown in the Lord Slug movie.
Super sonic being unstable would be the super sonic from the UK sonic the comic series
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ohhh i wike the idea of DS being an unstable vers. of super form it would make sence tbh 😄 of and dids chu guys know tat the ORIG. super sonic was act. evil and NOT the good 1 we all know and wuv today 😄
@@trawiler1055 ik tat wat im saying tho was the guy who made dark sonic stated tat this form didnt count as a super form its more of a temp. sub form tat sonic used in sonicX becuz he was surrounded by fake C.Es if chu look up dark sonics profile its states tat sonic was only able to use the form 1 time becuz they end up destorying the fake emerolds and those are wats needed to obtaine this sp. form also acording too the anime the creators decited tat they didnt want this form being a super form trancformation due to the way it had ta be used 😣
@@shadowdragonx07 i was meaning the good version of super form was first, the chaotic version was a year later.
Pretty cool how dark sonic appeared for less than a minute and got so much love from the comunitty.
I can’t believe they made a werehog version of sonic but dark sonic is out of the question
Dark Sonic is my favorite Sonic transformation. I wish they would bring it back to the games.
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Dark sonic was kinda hinted at in adventure 1 when Tikal say the choas emeralds can't be used to save people they just feed off hate which is why choas when out of control but sonic pulls out the choatic power of positive emotion so the choas power sonic pulls from the emerald the positive emotion lead to super sonic but the negative emotion that choas pulled from the emerald if used by sonic would turn to dark sonic
Edi:t I think the reason the fake emeralds brought out dark sonic almost unwillingly is because they were devoid of and positive energy hense his weird feeling towards them sonic naturally pulls power from the emeralds just being near them so with so much negatives energy and his worked up stated he probably started pulling the negative energy of the fake emeralds by habit if they were real emeralds he probably would have gone normal super sonic since he would have had a positive well to draw from so I'd say the instinct part of it was his natural instinct to pull power from the emeralds since he's so drawn to them naturally but his avoidence if using negative energy and emotion keeps him good but just being near pure dark energy he naturally pulled it in slowly altering him
Sonic being able to absorb radiant energy from any of the emeralds which serve as focal points for Chaos Energy may not even be a process that's left up to him to decide on. Could be that if you're exposed to it at least once before, and you become acclimatised to the doses you'll just start to naturally feed off the radiation wherever it may show up.
@@sulphurous2656 no I think he has to willingly tap into choas but he was just so angry he didn't care that he was using negative energy
Ur looking too far into it. They didn't hint at dark sonic because he didn't exist at the time
@@chocolatesensei5648 tikal literally state sonic should not be able to turn supersonic because the emeralds are inherently bad so I think I'm looking just the right amount into it also you litteraly have no idea when dark sonic was conceptualized he could have been planned and scrapped for adventure for all anyone knows
@@N3RD-13 I never said anything about super sonic and if dark sonic was a concept at the time they're would be concept art or data files on him or some information the creators told at the time. Sonic x made was years after adventure so maybe around adventure 2 MAYBE
5:08 Oh my god, yes, it really does. His name was always Eggman from the beginning. It was just localized to, "Robotnik" in the English localization. "Robotnik" wasn't an actual name within the Sonic series until SA2 with Professor Gerald Robotnik.
There is a mention in some of the comics and sonic adventures that the caos emerarlds posses both positive and negative energie, so both transformation are possible and i believe that IDW might use this because of the dificult time sonic go throught whit some of the freedom fighters being angry at him like espio.
IMO, Dark Super Sonic can whip everyone's asses without really trying, he has so much power he would rip Shadow in half.
I don't remember posting this.
@@Archon006 are you trying to make a sonic vs shadow debate my friend couse if you are you must remember shadow had a dark form as well sence the red glowing form in shadow the hedgehog when the dark gauge is full unleashes all of shadows negative chaos energy so dark shadow would like to have a word with you shadow also has a counter fit form to dark shadow also from shadow the hedgehog it's called hero shadow who would nutritive dark sonic from his anger and rage sence love and friendship is naturally what anger hatred and rage are weak to so hero shadow would stop dark sonic just by existing
@@shadowfield2788 cry about it, shadow is weak and useless bro, get over it.
@@Archon006 lol
@@Archon006 Alright dude I'm a dark sonic fan but your taking it to far if shadow goes super he's basically beats him because dark sonic is with fake choas emeralds and super shadow is the og real Version of the choas emeralds it's the sad truth and you basically can't prove anything wrong.
Next you should talk about the best Sonic character, Big the Cat.
OH MY
The fat talking cat voiced by Duke Nukem
umm dids chu RWY just have the downright nerve ta say BIG was the best ctr. 🙄 i hope chur being sarcastic cuz as much as im ashamed ta say it BIG was morea less a waste ctr. and TATS saying a SHITON comming froms meh as im a neko and ❤/adore the hell outa alk kittys but BIGS well nots a good ctr. even for being a side ctr. 😔
scp agent rose Yo how old are you, this grammar is physically impaling me
Oh please...The OBVIOUS best character is Charmie Bee. No Question.
"and dark sonic might not even be his real name!"
ahh yeas, Juan, our beloved
I consider Darkspine or Werehog to be Sonic's "canonical" dark super form. However the Cosmo plant from the end of Sonic X does appear in a lot of art involving tales of workshop which actually makes me wonder if season 3 happened. Obviously Sonic X season 1 & 2 couldn't have. happened cuz it would retcon Sonic Adventure 1 and 2.
2:13 "And for love of God, do not steal his chili dog" XDD
I feel that the Dark Sonic form in Sonic X is primarily a result of his adverse reaction to the energies of the Fake Chaos Emeralds, lowering his inhibitions and making him more susceptible to enragement.
For some reason, whenever someone tries to create a Chaos Emerald artificially, they forget that the emeralds are named for their seemingly unstable-yet-stable fluctuation of both Positive and Negative Energies, giving them their endless power-generating quality - it's their universe's equivalent to an Improbability Engine. Thus the resulting forgeries often have the annoying quality of only generating the easier-to-create Negative Energy and aiming for a similar Resonant Wavelength to replicate the effects.
It's this Resonant Wavelength that others use to pinpoint the location of a Chaos Emerald, which is why they were led to the laboratory initially - it's also why certain beings can tap into their power.
We know that beings can work with either the Positive or Negative sides of the Emerald's power, but not whether any living entity can be truly compatible with the full infinite energy of the gems. Super Sonic can function off of solely the Positive, and most inorganic entities and machines run off of the Negative. Perfect Chaos, while supposedly the most probable entity to be capable of using the full raw power of the Chaos Emeralds, still only used the Negative energies to transform - meaning even it may be incompatible with using both sides of them simultaneously!
Tl;dr, Dark Sonic is Sonic resonating with the Fake Emeralds, tainting his attitude with the purely Negative energy emitted from them. And when enraged by the Metarex's treatment of his friends, the Negative Chaos Energy flows into him, beginning to transform into Dark Super Sonic - the missing pupils are reminiscent of DarkSpine Sonic, who was actually known in the lore of The Secret Rings as an unstoppable force of Destruction, and the shape of his body becomes an identical black silhouette of his Super Sonic persona.
If Egg-... I mean *Robotnik!* hadn't manipulated Sonic into calming down, I feel that he would've been much more reckless with tearing that Metarex apart (think Eva-01's feral attack on the first Angel in Evangelion) and would be likely to snap at anyone trying to tell him to stop - and potentially hurting his friends in doing so. That would lead to a downward spiral of depression and anger that the Fake Emeralds would feed into, until he 'burnt out' - destroying the facility and everything/every_one_ in it, and probably the general vicinity in space, too!
Dark Sonic is very much like the Werehog in that it's a more primal instinct-driven state, just induced by a different means and the resulting qualities sharing similarities with Sonic's Positive-energy Chaos empowerment states.
Thanks for clarifying,now i can understand why sonic has this form.
Dark sonic > super sonic and dark spine
Oh ok
So if I understood right we owe Eggman(Robitinik)
@@DarthVader-6637 In fact, Sonic _did_ owe one to Robotnik, but that doesn't even make them even for all the times Sonic's saved the Doctor's bacon!
"Ian Flynn doesn't see Dark Sonic as a true form"
Well to be fair, I don't think a whole lot of us see Chris as a true character.
The guy appeared like once and stopped existing